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Yankees leave ample April behind

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on May 01, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Welcome to May. The Yankees finished April at 16-10 after Tuesday night’s 7-4 win over Houston. They also finished with nine players on the disabled list.

In other words, they have no complaints with the record after the first month. No one should, considering all the injuries.

“I think our guys did a very good job, especially with the start we had, 1-4,” Joe Girardi said.

The pitching has been good. The offense has done just enough. The homer total has been running first in the AL. And the new guys have pitched in well.

“They brought in really good dudes, a lot of veteran guys, good character guys,” said one of the new guys, Travis Hafner. “The clubhouse has been great. Everyone gets along well.”

One of the old guys has begun to heat up. Ichiro Suzuki is batting .407 over his last seven games.

But the Yankees could use Eduardo Nunez to start hitting consistently, too.

“It would be great because he’s done a wonderful job defensively the first month for us, just great,” Girardi said.

The shortstop has his first three-hit game Tuesday night since April 4. He had three hits over his previous six games combined. Two of his three hits in the win over Houston were doubles, one more extra-base hit than he had the entire season. He raised his average from .169 to .203.

“We really believe that this kid is going to hit,” Girardi said. “To get him going, with the speed that he has, creates problems for the defense, for the pitchers, it would help us a lot.”

Here’s the link to my story on the April finale and the contributions by Hiroki Kuroda and Hafner so far. Also, here’s a link to my Yankees notebook with items on the mistake made by playing Kevin Youkilis Saturday and the lack of depth in the infield, plus on new rookie infielder Corban Joseph and some injury updates. And finally here’s a link to my feature story of the day. It’s on new lefty Vidal Nuno and his path from the independent Frontier League to the Bronx. Thanks for reading everyone. I’ll be back with you Sunday.

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228 Responses to “Yankees leave ample April behind”

  1. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Ichiro Suzuki is helping out in the lineup again. He went 3 for 5 and is batting .407 (11 for 27) in his last seven games. This run has boosted his average 68 points, from .200 to .268.

    _____________

    Plus he sells tickets and Yankees merchandise in U.S. and Japan and makes 6.5 million. When Granderson returns in two short weeks, Ichiro is NOT going to be benched ahead of Gardner.

    Wells – LF
    Granderson -CF
    Ichiro – RF

    Gardner – 4th OF

  2. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Pace O Meter = 99 wins

    And we’re getting back Granderson, Derek and maybe Tex

  3. Hassey May 1st, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Please someone make me understand – why does anyone want Granderson back?

  4. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Because he’s better than Gardner?

  5. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Buster-

    Don’t expect to see Jeter anytime soon.

    Tex is a huge question mark also.

    By the way, I hope little Sloane is well.

    :)

  6. ac1 May 1st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Girardi is going to find it hard to find playing time for Grandy if Wells, Gardner, Ichiro and Hafner continue hitting. Right now, Gardner would be the odd man out, but who knows what will be in a few weeks.

  7. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:09 am

    That is a pretty bad OF.

  8. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Grandy is not going to be the odd Man out.

    Someone else will.

  9. yanks61 May 1st, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Re-post:

    yanks61 May 1st, 2013 at 9:07 am
    How many teams can lose four of their best four position players, including three of their four top RBI guys, and still be competing at the level the Yanks are right now? The 3rd best % in the AL and 4th best in ML.

    Say what you will about Cashman and company (and folks here always do!), but I think thay’ve done a really fine job in picking up the players they have.

    Of course the Yanks knew that Youk and Pronk were injury risks, but I think the hope was that the could stay healthy enough, long enough, to keep the team above water until the regulars could ride to the rescue.

    Also, maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t get the moaning over the $ spent on Youk. He’s here only one year, am I’m not correct? So he doesn’t impact the budget going forward. And, yes, there were players out there that they might have gotten instead of Youk, but it was my impression that those guys were not interested in the Yanks because they were worried about playing time (?) So, all things considered, the Yanks have – so far – done just fine with the pick ups.

    If they can get Jete, Tex and Granderson back, and keep/get one of Hafner or Youk healthy, as well as having Wells continue his (very delayed!) comeback, this team could be in really good position to win the division this year. But, yes, most of all, the pitching has to stay healthy and effective.

  10. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I hope the Mission Impossible Man handles his latest challenge well.

    I’m pulling for him to have a good outing.

  11. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I used to wear a mohawk and over Christmas break I saw her. Now she’s the kind of kid that pays attention when you think she’s in her own little world. She can mask her emotions very well like her mother. So the whole break she didn’t really acknowledge me much. She never spoke directly too me although I managed to win a fleeting smile quickly covered up by a fake frown. I think my sister was disappointed at the low level of interaction and the grumpiness of her child. She wanted to see a deeper relationship but I think she figured Sloane never sees me. Then 2 months later when she was giving Sloane a bath she spiked her hair with shampoo and showed her in a mirror and she burst out into a big smile and said, “LIKE UNCLE BRET”

  12. Tackelberry May 1st, 2013 at 9:13 am

    “Please someone make me understand – why does anyone want Granderson back?”

    Because we can’t stand to see Bustero cry?

  13. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    That is a pretty bad OF.

    _________

    It’s deep though with Gardner as 4th OF on the bench. Next year maybe they can sign Shin Soo Choo (another guy you can add to my obsession list).

  14. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:15 am

    How many teams can lose four of their best four position players, including three of their four top RBI guys, and still be competing at the level the Yanks are right now?
    -

    How many teams have a $230m payroll? This team could be so much better if they spent more wisely?

  15. yanks61 May 1st, 2013 at 9:15 am

    tomingeorgia May 1st, 2013 at 8:55 am
    yanks61,
    Hope printemps finds you well!

    Bonjour, Tom. Oui, ca va tres bien! I hope you’re doing fine as well. You’re always the positive guy – refreshing to read.

    Unhappily, there’s been a lot of rain this past winter and more this spring. A 10 day trip to the south of France cured us (temporarily) of the rainy day blues and, what the heck the flowers are blooming and the Yanks are winning in spite of all!

    I guess you don’t have to worry too much about rain in your neck of the woods. I’m looking forward to going to the States in three weeks time and seeing the Yanks at the Stadium on the 4 June.

  16. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Buster-

    That’s progress.

    Bet you’re surprised I still remember her name.

    Not bad for a senile old fart.

    ;)

  17. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:16 am

    It’s deep though with Gardner as 4th OF on the bench. Next year maybe they can sign Shin Soo Choo (another guy you can add to my obsession list
    -

    At least he’s youngish. There is no high end OF in the current group.

  18. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Yeah two years of back to back 40 HR seasons over a guy who is the most overrated OF prospect (1000 x Bubba Crosby) in Yankees history brings me to tears. I’d hate to have to suffer through Granderson murdering the ball. Makes me sad. Granted I don’t like the K’s but still. Gardner K’s too but has no power.

  19. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Rich-

    What’s wrong with you ?

    You have a youth obsession.

    :)

  20. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    I’m hoping Curtis somehow reverts back to the I-can-hit-lefties-too Granderson.

    I liked that Grandy much better.

    ;)

  21. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    MTU

    This is an aging team, so sort of.

  22. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Rich-

    I want to see a younger team too.

    I was just funnin’ ya’.

    ;)

  23. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Oh yeah, HR without AVG and declining defense are so sweet.

  24. tomingeorgia May 1st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    yanks61,
    It’s been cloudy, rainy and dank around here for the last week or so, with another week of it coming. At least it hasn’t hit 90 yet!

  25. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Well MTU all my brothers are jealous because I can be away from home for a year and win over all the nieces and nephew in like 15 minutes. I get them to say out loud that I’m their favorite. My one brother’s kid is really into fashion and princess stuff so I asked her could she make me into a beautiful princess. She’s too sweet to say no but confused because of my gender and my tattoos, she kind of went along with it. After much brainstorming she finally arrived at an appropriate category for me and she shook her head no and said, “You are not a beautiful princess you are a bad King”. I’m the uncle that gets the kids whipped up into a frenzy over the holidays and my siblings get so stressed :lol:

  26. yanks61 May 1st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    “How many teams have a $230m payroll? This team could be so much better if they spent more wisely?”

    Rich, we know that the Yanks had an awful lot of money tied up in a few contracts going into the season. It seems to me that the point was that they weren’t going to be able to bring in an all star as a backup for all the players that eventually went down. So they did a good job, in my mind, in getting the people they did. A lot of folks here weren’t happy about some of the choices, but most have been doing a pretty good job.

    “I’m pleased with the way these guys are playing,” Girardi said. “They have done a very good job for us. It hasn’t always been pretty but our guys have come up with clutch hits when we needed them.”

    Hafner thinks he knows why the retreads and no-names are having so much success: “They brought in really good dudes.”

    So, honest question, Rich: How would you have spent the money instead?

  27. RadioKev May 1st, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Considering the ridiculous amount of injuries so far, I’d consider that April record a success.

  28. fantasygame101 May 1st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    The only time I see joseph plays is either in a blowout or against a lefty wherein cano is the dh. Other than that, it will be bec. of unforeseen things.

  29. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    yanks61

    They should have tried to trade for Upton. I am glad that band-aids have worked so far in Hafner and Wells, but I cannot get excited about stopgaps.

  30. yanks61 May 1st, 2013 at 9:29 am

    tomingeorgia May 1st, 2013 at 9:24 am
    yanks61,
    It’s been cloudy, rainy and dank around here for the last week or so, with another week of it coming. At least it hasn’t hit 90 yet!

    ————————————————————————–

    Oh, well, I guess it’s raining all around the world, then. But it is spring and I that’s usually part of living with spring, isn’t it?

    I don’t envy you the 90 degree weather, nor the humidity you probably have either. I grew up in NJ, so I know what humidity in the summer is like. But I spent nine months at Fort Sam Houston in the late 60′s and that was about the worst!

  31. blake May 1st, 2013 at 9:30 am

    given everything they have dealt with…..a 16-10 April is about the best case scenario I could have hoped for.

  32. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 9:34 am

    The best part about the month of April is we managed to not fall behind and bought a whole month of time for Jeter, Granderson, Tex and perhaps Pineda. Those 4 players could all make a huge impact.

    And by the looks of things, Hafner and Wells aren’t slowing down and Ichiro and Nunez are coming back.

    We need Youk healthy or a trade at the deadline for Michael Young (hit .338 the year before last).

  33. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Buster-

    Sounds like an interesting combo.

    A Punkrocker w a brain.

    Last time I saw that I was watching a movie.

    “The Girl w the Dragon Tattoo”.

    :)

  34. astrocityfan May 1st, 2013 at 9:38 am

    and if the games in cleveland hadny been rained out they could be 18-10. :) And the idea of giving cano a dh day isnt a bad one. If they dont do something like that then they might as well send Joseph back to scranton.

  35. yanks61 May 1st, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Rich, I would have loved Upton, too. But wouldn’t he have cost an arm and a leg (and a few players as well!?)

    Like you, I want them to hold on to as many of the youngsters as possible (safety in numbers or something!), if they’re going to be serious about 189. I mean there have been injury concerns about Upton, haven’t there? If these were still the free spending Yanks, then I would have been all for it.

    I understand, of course, that most of these prospects aren’t going to make it, at least not as stars. But if only two of, say, the top six do make substantial contributions in the future, and those two wind up being the ones traded away for Upton, I think the Yanks would be in a worse position. IE. I’d rather have two positions potentially covered well and spread the risk.

  36. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Well if you only saw the look on her face when for like an hour I kept insisting I wanted to be a beautiful princess. She was overwhelmed trying to sort things out. But alas I could not escape the bad king label. I had her going for a while :lol:

  37. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:40 am

    61-

    This has been the 2nd coldest Spring on record.

    Denver w another snowstorm and it’s the beginning of May.

    Some Russian scientists believe we are about to enter a 200-250 yr cooling trend.

  38. djsunyc May 1st, 2013 at 9:40 am

    MAJOR injuries throughout the roster and we still had a 16-10 month.

    if this keeps up, girardi is manager of the year AND cashman is GM of the year.

  39. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    It’s not raining out here.

    :)

  40. Bo knows May 1st, 2013 at 9:45 am

    A punk rocker with a brain grazing in the alfalfa field.

    What I want to know is – What about the gluten problem?

  41. blake May 1st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Ive always liked Hafner a lot and watching him hit…..he’s a real and legit hairy monster because he doesn’t just hit homers…..he gets on base and as you saw last night he can actually handle the bat a little bit and beat the shift when he needs to. Please stay healthy, please stay healthy, please stay healthy.

  42. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    The reality is that to this point, the RS are better and younger. I wish it were otherwise but I can acknowledge facts.

  43. blake May 1st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    the Yanks have lost: 2 third basemen, their 1st baseman, a starting outfielder, their SS, their #1 catcher and Nova and they went 16-10 in April…..that’s pretty amazing……most teams would have folded like a cheap tent with those injuries

  44. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I give Cashman and co. credit for finding such good replacements on the fly.

    That said, I look forward to a faster, younger, and more athletic Team going forward.

    :)

  45. randy l. May 1st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    blake-

    the good news from my point of view is that may, june, july, august, and september are coming .
    part of the beauty of baseball is how long the season is . one month is just one month.

    yankee espn eXWL is 14-12

    that projects to 88 wins

    which is pretty close to the 91 i predicted based on a good pitching staff with kuroda and pettitte.

    injuries are the problem over a long season with a veteran team, and this team is really “veteran”.
    i don’t see this team picking up steam as it goes like most yankee teams of the past decade or so.
    aging players will likely have trouble as the season progresses.

  46. blake May 1st, 2013 at 9:50 am

    “the good news from my point of view is that may, june, july, august, and september are coming .
    part of the beauty of baseball is how long the season is . one month is just one month.”

    yea we are starting to get into the meat of the season now…..so evaluation time is pretty much over now. I picked 89 wins and still feel pretty good about that number……could change my mind depending on health and what they do at the deadline……

  47. RadioKev May 1st, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I still don’t like the Red Sox rotation. They have 1 and 2 in place, but I wouldn’t want to rely on the other guys.

  48. 86w183 May 1st, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Morning All —-

    I’ll take 16-10 every month…. that’s 96-60 with 6 games to go.

    Joseph can play a little 3B can’t he?

    Michael Young would be a perfect addition, but he’s Philly’s best hitter right now. An upgrade over Ben Fran-whiff-sko is my top priority right now. Any ideas anyone?

  49. blake May 1st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    “Joseph can play a little 3B can’t he?”

    he can stand there…..but he’s pretty bad….like bad enough where you pray they don’t hit balls there. He doesn’t have the arm strength or first step quickness to play there really

  50. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Young makes about $16m. That would bring the payroll to $250ish.

  51. yanks61 May 1st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    61-

    This has been the 2nd coldest Spring on record.

    Denver w another snowstorm and it’s the beginning of May.

    Some Russian scientists believe we are about to enter a 200-250 yr cooling trend.

    MTU-

    We actually had one of the mildest winters on record (I think, but I’m not sure, that that was also true of most of northern Europe as well.) The weather has been all over the place. But it’s the average temperatures around the world, taken as whole, I believe, that are the most important to look at, rather than specific areas. If we are actually going into a cooling period – instead of the other way around – that will be good news for Antarctica and a passel full of glaciers around the world that are losing ice cover at an alarming rate!

  52. NYYanksFan May 1st, 2013 at 9:55 am

    I think A-Rod is going to be back before Jeter and will play more games this year than Teixeira.

  53. blake May 1st, 2013 at 9:55 am

    “An upgrade over Ben Fran-whiff-sko is my top priority right now. Any ideas anyone?”

    Shelly Duncan is probably better than him

  54. Jetrer May 1st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Texas is paying $10M of Young’s contract. Adding Young now would only add about $5M to the payroll (not that it’s going to happen).

  55. djsunyc May 1st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:48 am
    I give Cashman and co. credit for finding such good replacements on the fly.

    That said, I look forward to a faster, younger, and more athletic Team going forward.

    ——–

    i think everyone’s ideal situation would be to draft your own players, have them grown and cheer for the same young players for many years.

    problem is that it’s very difficult for that to happen. especially in our market and under the pressure of the media and fanbase to win every single year.

    so the more important question is whether it’s the name on the front or the name on the back? and is it only the name on the back if they win?

    i cheer for the yankees to win every game regardless of who is playing. yes, i have my favorite players but i am not married to any player and if the choice is between watching player A hit .300 with 50 homeruns with a team that doesn’t make the playoffs or watching player A ride the bench while the team does make the playoffs, i choose the latter.

  56. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I hope A-Rod comes back as A-Rod, but right now it almost feels like he is no longer part of the organization.

  57. fantasygame101 May 1st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    at least 2 weeks before granderson, 3 weeks maybe for tex. Plus do not know how they will hit. This team is still about pitching and lucky hitting. The more I hear about the pitcher not having their stuff, the more I think that it is not coincidence but a reality that they have lesser stuff now.

  58. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Texas is paying $10M of Young’s contract. Adding Young now would only add about $5M to the payroll (not that it’s going to happen).
    -

    Why should the Phillies pass on that savings without extracting significant player personnel assets?

  59. blake May 1st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “I hope A-Rod comes back as A-Rod, but right now it almost feels like he is no longer part of the organization.”

    I think he’s played his last game as a Yankee…..just a feeling I have….I could be wrong as the solution to that problem isn’t an easy one.

  60. champ809 May 1st, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Michael Young is 53yrs old….really?

  61. DONNYBROOK May 1st, 2013 at 10:02 am

    You guys can applaud the 16-10 till the cows come home, but as usual, you rely on numbers instead of “eyeballin’” what actually occured. The Yanks padded this 16-10 vs horse dung, and they themselves looked like horse dung vs Tampa and Boston. Teams in your own Division are the ones you Really want to beat, and the Yanks showed their real mettle there. Sure, they should be applauded for staying afloat, but at this point, they remain mere drift wood.

  62. Jetrer May 1st, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Why should the Phillies pass on that savings without extracting significant player personnel assets?

    —-
    They don’t really have a choice. Texas is paying $10M of Young’s contract no matter who he plays for. The Phillies don’t get that money. Young does.

  63. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 10:04 am

    They don’t really have a choice. Texas is paying $10M of Young’s contract no matter who he plays for. The Phillies don’t get that money. Young
    -

    That confers a benefit to the Phillies that increases Young’s value.

  64. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:04 am

    I’d trade 1.5 years of our 4th OF for .5 of Michael Young assuming Youk is healthy and Tex does not return. If Tex returns and Youk is healthy there’s nowhere to put Michael Young. Not with Hafner at DH and Jeter needing AB’s there. So Tex’s prognosis influences potential targets obviously. By the time they know what’s going on with Tex, the Phillies will be out of the race.

    But Michael Young would make the lineup more circular. How many contact hitters? Jeter, Cano, Young, Ichiro, Hafner, Wells (somewhat), Youkilis (somewhat) 7 guys plus Granderson and Cervelli.

    That’s the most balanced lineup we’ve had since 2001.

  65. yanks61 May 1st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    MTU May 1st, 2013 at 9:48 am
    I give Cashman and co. credit for finding such good replacements on the fly.

    That said, I look forward to a faster, younger, and more athletic Team going forward.

    —————————————————————-

    I’m sure we’re all with you on that, MTU!

    But, considering the disaster that could have been, I like the scrappiness of this team right now – for now, anyway. It would be kind of cool if a bunch of scrap heap players can keep the boat afloat until the big boys get back – and then have some of those same old timers continue to contribute after the regulars are in the lineup again. Maybe that’s just because I’m an old timer too! Still, if they can pull it off, it makes for quite a story – well, for me anyway.

    And, yes, as I hinted at to Rich, I’d love to see a quick transition to youngsters in the next two years. At the same time, timing is all important. You don’t want them bringing up these guys too soon and tossing them in over their heads. Personally, I’d rather see them worked in gradually. Unfortunately, I don’t know if that’s going to be possible with the self-imposed budgetary constraints.

  66. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    The oldest too.

  67. champ809 May 1st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    He’s not the Phillies best hitter right now either as he’s hitting a very “empty” .340 with 4 XBH’s and about 30 singles….I’d rather take a chance on Musty or Adams that they may provide more upside and cost me nothing

  68. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    61-

    I’m not much for rainy, cloudy weather.

    I like the outdoors too much.

  69. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Gardner is better than Ichiro.

  70. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    That’s fine but he’d have to outhit Ichiro by a long shot if they’re going to bench the guy who sells tickets and merchandise in the U.S. and Japan and makes 6.5 million…by a LONGSHOT

  71. Jetrer May 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    It does make Young a more valuable trade chip. It wouldn’t add $16M to the payroll. (Not that it’s going to happen anyways).

  72. Jetrer May 1st, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Gardner has already played more often than Ichiro this year. They still sell merchandise if Ichiro doesn’t play everyday. They’ll play whoever is playing better.

  73. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Here’s a loaded question for you.

    How would you characterize the Yankees roster management ?

    Grade it.

    A,B, C, D, or F.

    Can’t wait to see these answers.

    :)

  74. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    They will manage their assets to maximize value. If they’re playing fairly even and one is not a trade candidate but the other is, they can trade one to fill another need rather than benching him.

  75. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 10:12 am

    If they cared about Japanese marketing, why didn’t they sign Darvish?

    “That’s fine but he’d have to outhit Ichiro by a long shot if they’re going to bench the guy who sells tickets and merchandise in the U.S. and Japan and makes 6.5 million…by a LONGSHOT”

    Yet you want them to flush any marketing benefit on a yet another aging player,

    It is kind of a circular financial absurdity.

  76. champ809 May 1st, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Jesus Bustero

    You saying that Gardy is a 4th of’er 1000 times doesn’t make him one. His war totals over the last 3yrs paint a more accurate picture of what his real value is.

    His glovework is exceptional whereas Young is a stone statue no matter where you play him.

    What I would do thogh is move Gardy down in the order to 8th.

    Ichiro RF
    Nuney SS
    Robbie MVP
    Pronk DH
    Wellsy LF
    Overbaysie 1B
    Nixie 3B
    Gardy CF
    Romine C

    would be the way I draw it up tonight

  77. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:13 am

    And I would embrace a trade of 1.5 years of Gardner for .5 years of Michael Young, IF Tex is out for the year. If Tex returns and Youk is healthy, then the Yankees will listen to offers on Gardner (and Granderson) when Granderson returns. I would trade 1.5 years of Gardner for a potential closer as well or a tough lefty late inning reliever.

  78. longtimefan May 1st, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Nice April, move to May and taking up space on 40 man is Francisco and Kelly both pieces that are useless. Hoping Arod comes back as Arod is a joke, personally I hope the cheater never comes back the team as a whole will be better off

  79. DONNYBROOK May 1st, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Depending on the price, Young fits in well at 3B. Best of all, the guy has Always been a good situational hitter. Should A-Rod make it back this season, he will be a part-time DH, as his physical condition will dictate such. I continue to look at Kendrys Morales and how long it took him to return from a busted ankle, and figure a Sept stretch run for Jeet when rosters expand. Should the Yanks make the Playoffs, Jeet would be a question mark as a DH. NO WAY he resumes full-time play at SS in 2013.

  80. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 10:15 am

    The band-aide brigade are showing that they still have game left.

    But can they stay on the field is the question ? And always has been.

  81. 86w183 May 1st, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Teams in your own Division are the ones you Really want to beat

    ******************************************************

    10-6 versus AL East….. good point!

  82. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    They will manage their assets to maximize value. If they’re playing fairly even and one is not a trade candidate but the other is, they can trade one to fill another need rather than benching him.
    -

    Value? The payroll is at $230m.

  83. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    MTU

    B for roster management

    Points off for keeping Mustelier down on the farm, playing Youkilis when he wasn’t ready, allowing Joba to violate team hair rules :)

  84. DONNYBROOK May 1st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    If you want the Best that Ichiro has got, you gotta play him Every day. Playing Ichiro part-time, would be a mistake, and diminish the player and the team as a whole.

  85. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Michael Young in new Yankees stadium 2009 – 2012

    .370 BA
    .876 OPS

  86. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    YT-

    Can’t give them either an A, or an F.

    Somewhere in between.

    Not sure if they could have done things differently on Adams but I sure don’t like Joseph in his place.

    And I question why Ben is taking up space at this point.

    Just curious to see what folks would say.

    To see the diversity of opinion possible.

  87. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:22 am

    vs. Yankees pitching which is usually tailored to the stadium (aside from Hughes)

  88. 86w183 May 1st, 2013 at 10:23 am

    I don’t see Young as a sensible/realistic acquisition. A RH hitting OF is a much higher priority.

    Roster management has been good… B would be my grade. But Fran-WHIFF-sco has got to go.

    As far as who plays/goes when guys come back, the bottom line is the Yankees have exactly ONE full-time player with a set position. Everyone else will be part of sharing a role if/when the 25-man roster is whole again.

  89. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 10:23 am

    YT-

    what did you think of Nuno ?

    Did you get a look ?

  90. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:25 am

    I would not spend a single asset on the OF. It’s overcrowded when Granderson returns plus 4 of the orgs top prospects play OF.

  91. Locke May 1st, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Points off for keeping Mustelier down on the farm, playing Youkilis when he wasn’t ready, allowing Joba to violate team hair rules

    —–

    That “mustache” was horrible.

  92. Rich in NJ May 1st, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Michael Young in new Yankees stadium 2009 – 2012

    Montero at YS: .404 .483 .692 1.176

  93. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Let it go Rich he’s a DH

  94. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:28 am

    And we have no depth at 3B

  95. comnsnse May 1st, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Rich in NJ, from now on I dub thee Rich the realistic.

    Your objective posts resonate with baseball probity and occasional humor.

    I believe people should be commended when they utilize common sense and objectivity.

    This is a temporary award however, the committee will be monitoring your views in the future! ;)

  96. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    It’s objective to compare a sample spanning 4 years to a September callup where the hitters splits were highly leveraged? :lol:

  97. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    And benching Ichiro Suzuki is realistic? :lol:

  98. The Genius Maker May 1st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    April was great from an expectation standpoint with all the injuries, but I can’t believe I am reading from some of you people that Gardner is the odd man out over Ichiro??? Seriously, you guys don;t understand the game of baseball if that is your thought process. Ichiro is a singles hitter and he doesn’t steal as effectively as he used to and Gardner’s D is FAR better, covering a ton more ground and throwing (overall when you take into account release time) very similar to Ichiro. Gardner is more productive offensively and defensively and has more upside…I disagree without question with the notion Gardner is the odd man out over Ichiro! In fact, defense aside, I would bet anyone on Gardner’s OPS (include SB’s) will be better than Ichiro’s for the rest of the year. Shoot, you don’t even need to include the SB’s; which is why saying Ichiro is more valuable than Gardner is just ludicrous.

  99. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Let’s hope “Ample April” turns into “Majestic May”.

    ;)

  100. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Granderson will not be able to improve his BA until he can overcome the successful shifts employed against him.

    Gardner arm is better , more accurate,as a left fielder

    If I remember correctly, Joseph was terrible as a third baseman in ST.

    Tired of Tex telling media he’ll be ready soon. Don’t expect his right wrist tendon sheath, if it was indeed torn, to improve , and if he does make it back he’d be better off with less strain on that wrist, batting only from the right side.

  101. blake May 1st, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “And benching Ichiro Suzuki is realistic? ”

    should be but probably isn’t…..I like Ichiro but when Granderson comes back he probably shouldn’t play nearly as much as he will. Ichiro might hit .280-.300 but it’ll likely be a pretty empty BA as he doesn’t hit for much power and he doesn’t get on base much.

    Wells has been their best outfielder so far…..so they really need to keep him in the lineup as long as he’s hitting.

  102. Carly May 1st, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Such a great spring, but not a great start for Dominic Brown

    http://www.baseball-reference......ypepad.com

  103. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2013 at 10:36 am

    MTU

    First of all good morning.
    I saw Nuno only in ST. He throws strikes, knows how to pitch, and has done well both in AA and in AAA. He’s a keeper and should have the next shot at being a starter. Crafty Lefties are perfect for YS.

  104. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    MTU

    Got to see George M Steinbrenner field this past weekend. Didn’t get to a game but impressed with all the placards out front honoring the Yankee greats.

    Check your email later.

  105. Carly May 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Crafty Lefties are perfect for YS.

    Which is why I hope the Yanks select someone like Marco Gonzales in the June draft :)

  106. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    YT-

    Morning to you as well.

    He tossed 3 scoreless the other night but I missed him.

    Got in and out of trouble. Showed he was capable of the K when needed.

    No walks.

  107. MTU May 1st, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Will do YT.

    Time to walk the Mop.

    Later.

  108. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Mike Axisa @mikeaxisa 9m
    So apparently CMW coulda opted out of his contract with NYY yesterday, but decided to stay. Has more opt outs though. http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aspt/201305010020.aspx

    Go Chien Ming.

  109. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Blake I agree and you obviously took a hit off the objective pipe.

  110. fantasygame101 May 1st, 2013 at 10:48 am

    the roster management is a c. The replacement player production so far is a. Translation as cashman admits, it is better to be lucky than good. But how lucky from here on out is something that is scary.

  111. fantasygame101 May 1st, 2013 at 10:50 am

    before may 31, wang will be in the majors if he keeps on pitching well. The Yankees other pitchers have option so it will not hurt them to try.

  112. The Genius Maker May 1st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    blake May 1st, 2013 at 10:34 am
    “And benching Ichiro Suzuki is realistic? ”

    should be but probably isn’t…..I like Ichiro but when Granderson comes back he probably shouldn’t play nearly as much as he will. Ichiro might hit .280-.300 but it’ll likely be a pretty empty BA as he doesn’t hit for much power and he doesn’t get on base much.

    Wells has been their best outfielder so far…..so they really need to keep him in the lineup as long as he’s hitting.
    *********

    Our manager is simply not good if he continues to start Ichiro. Ichiro is a bad corner OF’r at this point in his career. I would venture to say that some of our minor leaguers could be brought up and inserted and they would perform better than Ichiro

  113. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Nah, Girardi stuck with Ichiro when he was hitting .200. Now he’s hitting .268. That’s what happens when you stick with guys who have earned the investment. The Yankees invested confidence in the .270 Ichiro and he hit like .320 with the Yankees as a reward. They’re going to go by the precedents he has set as a Yankee and factor in the fact he is a ticket seller, a merchandiser and earns 6.5 million and they’re going to factor in how Granderson or Gardner can be spun into other players while Ichiro cannot. Ichiro’s pretty safe. The overcrowded OF comes down to Granderson vs. Gardner and which one yields optimum return in trade negotiations. But make no mistake about it, Grandy and Gardy will both be shopped and it makes zero objective sense and is totally unrealistic to shop Ichiro.

  114. blake May 1st, 2013 at 10:58 am

    “Our manager is simply not good if he continues to start Ichiro. Ichiro is a bad corner OF’r at this point in his career. I would venture to say that some of our minor leaguers could be brought up and inserted and they would perform better than Ichiro”

    Ichiro was never signed totally because of his play…..he creates revenue which is why it may not be totally Girardi’s decision. He should play some vs RHP…..Wells is mashing LHP this year and holding his own vs RHP (.826 OPS)……they have to play him as long as he continues to hit.

  115. 86w183 May 1st, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Its kind of silly to separate the moves from the results in grading roster management.

    If things work out better than you (or anyone else) thought it would doesn’t make it “lucky” and more than what you thought was a good move that didn’t work out was shrewd.

    Most of the Yankees actual off-season moves would have to be considered successful by any fair-minded person. Youkilis and Francisco would be notable exceptions.

    Obviously the verdict is out on the long term grade for all moves.

  116. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Genius

    Can’t say I’m impressed with Gardner in CF, or as a lead off hitter.

    Can’t chew gum and concentrate on batting at the same time! :)

  117. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Next move should be to replace Kelley with Montgomery, getting him on the 40 man.

  118. The Genius Maker May 1st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Gardner is still a good defensive CF’r. He also should give you an OPS when taking SB’s into account of over .750 and could approach .800 if he can start to steal like he has his entire career. Ichiro may sell some merchandise but this notion that they stuck with him and they were rewarded was more luck than anything else AND more important, Ichiro needs to hit over .310 to even justify being in the lineup sometimes. if he is not hitting .300 he should not be in the lineup because his OBP is only a few points higher than his BA and he has almost no power. One other factor is that while Ichiro may be able to muster up an OPS over .700 maybe even over .720 if we are lucky; those are still very low for a corner OF’r and realistic projections are more in the .685 range.

  119. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    And Gardner has trade value being a valuable defender in CF and being on pace for 19 HR despite his .726 OPS falling right in line with his career .723 OPS and being on pace for 150 strikeouts and only 12 SB with 12 CS and being under contract for only 1.5 more years.

  120. The Genius Maker May 1st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    so if we aren;t impressed with Gardner, how can you be impressed with ichiro and his lesser performance? DON’T BE SWAYED BY ICHIRO’S “HOT” STREAK; LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE

  121. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Genius

    Don’t you think Gardner’s arm plays better in left-more accurate and less tested by runners?

  122. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 11:10 am

    The impression Ichiro has given the Yankees is that he hit .320 with them so far and vaulted from .200 to .268 when they invested confidence in him.

    That’s the only big picture that matters.

    Quit freaking out.

    Gardner or Granderson are gonna be shopped.

  123. blake May 1st, 2013 at 11:16 am

    I think Gardner is an above average defender in CF…..he’s just not like the best in baseball like he was in LF.

  124. Jesus Bustero May 1st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    The look on Tommy Lasorda’s face here is priceless.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/.....24878.html

  125. tucker May 1st, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Gardner has taken some funny routes in CF and misread some balls. Sort of Grandy-like. I agree he should be a superior defensive CF, and he covers a lot of ground. He’ll get better the more he plays out there. He is flawed, like every other OF on their roster. Vernon Wells may be their best, all-around OFer at this point.

  126. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Blake

    Does Boesch have any minor league options left?

    When Grandy is ready likely the 4 OF’ers are him, Wells , Gardner and Ichiro.

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    I have been saying for 3 years now that he does not go back on the ball very well, and this observation is met with dead silence here and the occasional UZR defense.

    Also been saying here that he excels in LF, where he can use his east-west talents well going to the foul line and running the ball down into the LCF gap at an angle.

    Granderson does not have as much lateral range and doesn’t come in as well, but he is like decidedly better going to the wall and tracking balls over his head.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 1st, 2013 at 11:29 am

    “Pace O Meter = 99 wins”

    At this pace I may win my own prize!!!

    “And we’re getting back Granderson, Derek and maybe Tex”

    I will admit that the thought of getting back some of the injured players scares me more than excites me at this point.

  129. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 11:30 am

    I have been saying for 3 years now that he does not go back on the ball very well, and this observation is met with dead silence here and the occasional UZR defense.

    Actually its been met with a bunch of links to videos of him making great catches but ok. Granderson has just as many blunders going back on balls, and Gardner has as many successes and similar great plays.

    If you love lateral coverage so much you put the player in the position where there is the most lateral ground to cover, aka CF. Duh.

  130. tucker May 1st, 2013 at 11:30 am

    You know who an excellent defensive CF is? AJax.

  131. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    The plays gardner is missing this year are plays no one else gets to.

  132. bruceb May 1st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Yankees 16-10. Angels 9-17. Who’d have thunk it? But if you put a gun against my head, I’d still pick the Angels to win the World Series ahead of the Yanks – even though their pitching has been dreadful so far.

    Loving what I’m seeing from the likes of Pronk, Bomber Wells and Overpaid so far but can we realistically expect it to continue? Then, at some stage, we have to integrate Youk, Tex, Grandy and maybe even A-Rod back into the side. Going to be an interesting summer.

  133. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Gardner not being as good going back as he is going laterally != bad at going back, it means relative to his insanely good lateral and break in coverage he isn’t as good. He is still better than most in baseball at it.

  134. fantasygame101 May 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am

    If wells keeps on hitting, there will be a problem with ichiro, gardner and granderson all lefty and a lefty dh. But it is at least 2 weeks before that problem occurs. But that is a problem worth managing than the 3b problem right now. Add 1b and DH problem against LHP.

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 11:33 am

    tucker May 1st, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Gardner has taken some funny routes in CF and misread some balls.
    ///

    He has always done this, going back to Trenton days. What good CFers do is run to the spot and turn around. He doesn’t get off well at times, and on backflight he turns – sometimes the wrong way – and kind of slows down or pulls up, ala Ricky Henderson, and extends his glove, short of where the ball is falling. He doesn’t run through the ball, and I think the reason it has taken people larger samples to see it is because the point of crisis, if you will, occurs long before he gets close enough to the ball, and the conclusion is, he didn’t really have a chance. Well, he’d have had it if he had gotten off right, and had just used his speed to get there. On hard hit line drives of course, this isn’t always possible, but those are the plays on which he frequently loses his route and starts lurching for the ball rather than running through it. He has fantastic wheels, but this doesn’t automatically make you a great defender, and “range factor” doesn’t mean you know how to take the best route. If they’re going to keep him out there, you’re going to great plays (like the one he nearly made ranging all the way into the RCF gap on his backhand) and you’ll get those weird routes and fallen balls that a better route would have turned into a fairly routine play.

  136. mick May 1st, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Have you ever caught a flyball? Seriously…

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Sorry, he’s sometimes downright inept at going back. He can make a great play into the gaps or coming in, and then he can just turn a flyout into a double. He’s yin and yang and that does not = elite defender.

  138. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Looks like De Paula is indeed pitching on Friday in NJ. Time to rearrange the schedule yet again. Tonight it looks like Rutskyj will start game #1 in the series; he had been piggybacking Campos, so not sure why Rutskyj is starting unless 1.) Campos is pitching second, 2.) Campos is hurt. Hopefully, it is #1, and not #2.

    Gardy has always been better in left field than CF. Grandy did a good job in CF until last year when I am not sure why Grandy had some misreads of balls that he normally sees off the bat well. I think we really won’t know if last year’s play is regression on Grandy’s part or based on other circumstances until he returns. But Grandy was very good in CF in 2011. Watching him and Gardy live at NYS over the years, Grandy’s superiority over Gardner in CF in terms of reads/jumps is fairly obvious. That doesn’t mean that Gardner isn’t above average in CF. and tucker, yes, AJax is undeniably better than both.

  139. Yankee Trader May 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Have to go.

    Everyone have a great day.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    tucker May 1st, 2013 at 11:30 am

    You know who an excellent defensive CF is? AJax.
    ///

    He’s been the best I’ve seen in the AL. Gutierrez has been hurt for so long now, he’s kind of lost to mantle to AJax. He’s superb. Wish we still had him.

  141. mick May 1st, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Gardner feared the wall on the play he missed a few days ago.
    This looked like a result of crashing into it the night before.
    He also seems to be favoring his hand or , at least, is careful to not reinjure it.
    He finally stole a base the other day, and did not use his mitten.

  142. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Unbelievable that either of you would think Granderson is a better centerfielder than Gardner. Of course Gardner is better in LF. Its smaller, with less responsibility. Granderson would be a better LFer than CFer. Same logic with starters->bullpen.

    You guys hand wave away Granderson’s constant first step blunders & wrong breaks, which existed in 2011, as a 1 year fluke when it also existed in Detroit. Granderson played shallow because he wasnt good at coming in on stuff, so he made routine flyouts look nice running back a nice distance. Doesn’t make him the master of going back on balls.

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 11:45 am

    yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Looks like De Paula is indeed pitching on Friday in NJ. Time to rearrange the schedule yet again.
    ///

    I saw that, I hope they aren’t mistaken about that.

  144. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Jose Toussen just replaced Mustelier at third base in Tampa Yanks game. Musty fielded a grounder in 1st inning; hadn’t batted yet. I take it he reinjured himself.

    Sid Crosby out for tonight’s playoff game. :(

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Granderson played shallow because he wasnt good at coming in on stuff, so he made routine flyouts look nice running back a nice distance. Doesn’t make him the master of going back on balls.
    ///

    He also plays shallow because he’s good at going back. No, he made routine flyouts look like what they are: routine, in the hands of a defender who knows the quickest route to arrive in a timely way and close through the baseball. They’re being “routine” is a credit to the defender.

  146. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Crap re Mustelier.

  147. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    JF, I don’t wave away anything; nor do I have more of an investment in Grandy than Gardy. It’s just what I have seen over time. I have watched them both for years. I am not denigrating Gardner’s D. He is very good, but he just doesn’t play CF as well as one would expect him to. That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t make elite plays. And I have no idea how Grandy will look when he returns.

  148. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    in the hands of a defender who knows the quickest route to arrive in a timely way and close through the baseball.

    Ah yea those quick routes that begin 3 steps in the wrong direction :)

  149. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    but he just doesn’t play CF as well as one would expect him to.

    Ok but his actual play is still BETTER than Granderson.

  150. Hassey May 1st, 2013 at 11:52 am

    They also left an ample Kim Jones behind

  151. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Outside of 2010, Granderson has had a negative range component to UZR in 4 of the last 5 years. And has been negative overall in those years.

    Thats not a fluke. It means he isnt getting to balls that other centerfielders get to.

  152. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 11:57 am

    JF, 2011 Grandy played a better CF than Gardner has. Grandy’s 2012 reads were sometimes poor, but that doesn’t make Gardy’s reads better by default. Gardy has more athleticism to compensate but Grandy generally has better reads. JMO, having watched them over time. And AJax blows them both away.

  153. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    No one has tweeted about the Mustelier injury. So, I am not sure why he was removed. I’ll see if TYanks has any info.

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Gardner has his pluses obviously, with the kind of range he has. But Gardner giveth and Gardner taketh away, and that is going to be the reality of the two-sided coin that his his CF defense.

    He is nowhere near what his reputation says he is, which is as if he’s a seamless Gary Pettis in CF. He’s just not in that class of CF, so why pretend otherwise? I hope he improves with continued playing time.

  155. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Having better reads doesnt matter if you cannot get to the balls. This is the same argument I get into with people saying Beltre is a bad third baseman or Andrus is a bad SS because they have more errors than other defenders. Gardner makes most plays in the OF look close, which makes misses look worse. Granderson can let balls fall in and no one cares, but Gardner nearly gets a glove on them.

  156. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    He’s just not in that class of CF, so why pretend otherwise?

    Why pretend that Granderson would be better in CF? This is a holdover from the Melky vs Gardner debates which you participated in spiritedly.

  157. blake May 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    “Does Boesch have any minor league options left?”

    yes

  158. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Speaking of OF, good stuff here on Heathcott:

    http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....ame-notes/

    Hoping to see him have good AB’s tonight.

  159. blake May 1st, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    “The plays gardner is missing this year are plays no one else gets to.”

    I wouldn’t say nobody…..Ajax, Trout, Bourn….those guys do….but a lot dont yea. Gardner is a good CFer….he’s better than Granderson….he’s just not the premier CFer in baseball like he is in LF…..

  160. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    If you have better reads, you can get to balls because you know where they are going off the bat. I do like Gardy’s D, but I think he is overrated in CF. That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t often make great plays. I don’t need to be told about those great plays because I am already aware of them. As for Grandy, 2012 Grandy is not the CF that I want to see in the 2013 CF. We’ll see which Grandy we see.

  161. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Yea Blake there are some very nice CFers in the game, though Trouts in LF this year. All of them are better than Granderson.

    One must consider how often a centerfielder goes straight back on balls versus going laterally or in. I’d wager not often, so whatever deficiencies one thinks Gardner possesses in that field matters little compared with his strengths.

  162. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    The point is people are now learning that Gardy actually doesn’t have the elite D of other top CF, good as he is.

  163. blake May 1st, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    “One must consider how often a centerfielder goes straight back on balls versus going laterally or in. I’d wager not often, so whatever deficiencies one thinks Gardner possesses in that field matters little compared with his strengths.”

    I lot of guys struggle with the ball hit directly at them…..Gardner hasn’t played CF in a long time consistently either so I’d expect him to improve in that area over time. He should stay in CF because he is better than Granderson there though…..which is guess is the point of this topic

  164. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    2009 or 2010 or 2011 Granderson isn’t going to be a better CFer than Gardner. It doesnt matter which Granderson they get. Put him in LF, where he will be a better defender.

  165. blake May 1st, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I still would say Gardner is above average in CF…..probably even in the upper 1/3….he’s just not the very elite like he is in LF

  166. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    The point is people are now learning that Gardy actually doesn’t have the elite D of other top CF, good as he is.

    This is an imagined premise. Gardner is a top defending Cfer, which is elite. If Gardner is ‘not elite’ then Granderson is solidly average or below, in which case Gardner should still be playing in CF over Granderson.

  167. blake May 1st, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    When Grandy comes back…..the outfield “should” be Granderson in LF, Gardner in CF…..and Wells in RF with Ichiro the 4th outfielder.

    When Grandy comes back…..the outfield “will” be Gardner in LF, Granderson in CF…..and Ichiro in RF vs RHP and Wells vs LHP.

  168. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    JF, you yourself have backed off on calling Gardner an elite CF compared to your past praise of his CF fielding. You are now categorizing him in a lesser light than you previously had as a CF, as are others because he is not as good in CF as he is in LF. Those who have watched him live over multiple games over the years when he has played CF were aware that he is a better LF than a CF. As for how Gardy compares to Grandy this year, hard to say until Grandy comes back. Grandy had his troubles last year, and I wouldn’t include Grandy in the same sentence, let alone paragraph of an AJax.

  169. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    *as an AJax.

  170. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Those who have watched him live over multiple games over the years when he has played CF were aware that he is a better LF than a CF.

    This is not a point though. Any CFer would be better in LF. Gardner is a top 5 defensive CFer, which is elite. Nothing has changed in my opinion. Gardner is very, very good defensively.

  171. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    JF, this team has bigger issues than Gardy’s near elite CF D…

  172. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Gardner has the 4th best range factor in CF so far this year and the most out of zone plays of any CFer. Ajax, who has more innings in CF this year, has half as many.

  173. blake May 1st, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    either way….they need better than a .328 OBP out of Gardner. They need him to be better than that

  174. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    yfem, I agree that the team has too many other issues to really worry about who gets the keys to CF.

  175. Pat M. May 1st, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    When Granderson returns he’ll be back in center and they’ll rotate / platoon / late inning replacement Gardner as the 4th outfielder because that’s what he really is

  176. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    I agree that the team has too many other issues to really worry about who gets the keys to CF.

    The Yankees will make it a problem if they move Gardner out of CF, but its true that if they just leave him in there because he is the best choice they will be able to focus on their other issues.

  177. champ809 May 1st, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    To me it’s really not even debatable….Gardy is a much better Cf’er/Of’er than Granderson. period. I think he’s going through a small re-adjustment period of getting the proper reads from CF as opposed to LF but that’s to be expected.

    The Yanks should actually have Grandy play LF exclusively during his rehab assignment and move him to LF when he comes off the DL.

    LF in Yankee stadium is actually very big compared to most other parks and requires a lot of range as LCF aka “death valley” plays big.

  178. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Gardners also in the top half of all Centerfielders by batting, some 4th outfielder!

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    RF: “re-adjustment” factor :) Great euphemism, that

  180. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    I agree about any CF playing LF better, but Gardy does have a particular talent playing the larger NYS LF, and his arm plays better there. Again, least of our problems… unless Grandy’s 2012 faux pas become his norm, which I don’t expect them to. Again time will tell.

  181. comnsnse May 1st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Pru, excellent observations on Gardner.

    Too many are seeing what they’d like to see as he is only an average Cf and was much better in left.

    The problem of course is a LF must actually be an offensive threat and he isn’t!

  182. austinmac May 1st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    I like Michael Young. He can hit and is a great competitor. The Phils are not going to trade the guy who has played as well as he has unless and until they are convicned they are out of any race. That won’t come, if it comes at all, for several more months.

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    On this team, he’s not a 4th OF. Whatever.

  184. comnsnse May 1st, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    JF, Perhaps we’d better wait for Gardner’s offense to actually be consistent which right now it isn’t.

    To date Gardner has not shown he can produce the offense to justify keeping him in the line up full time.

    The fact that after so many years in H.S.,college and pro ball he still can’t bunt effectively is and should be an embarrassment.

  185. Cashmoney May 1st, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Aviles would be excellent backup option at all 3 inf position, probably 1st if need be. maybe a tad below Nix defensively but he is far superior offensive upgrade.

  186. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    To date Gardner has not shown he can produce the offense to justify keeping him in the line up full time.

    ??? Career .340 OBP?? No platoon split? Elite Defense in a premium position?

    Yea sounds like a full time starter.

  187. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 1st, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Was Gardy a 4th outfielder or an average CFer in ’10 and ’11 (when he had WARs of 7.4 and 3.9 respectively and stole 47 and 49 bases respectively)? Yes, I understand this is 2013 but the dude well get into gear and shown recent signs of doing so, e.g. walking in the 1st inning last night and successfully/promptly stealing 2nd base (on the first pitch to Ichiro).

  188. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    cmmsnse, I have liked some of his ABs earlier in April. It’s not that he isn’t valuable, it’s just that a flawed metrics system has created an impression of that value that I don’t consider legit. He does some things well, but he does need to get on base and steal bases to maximize his value to this team. Right now, he and Nunez are the only “youthful speedy” players on the team.

  189. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    He wasn’t the CF in ’10 and ’11.

    Going to see Jo-Ram’s first AA start tonight :)

    Have a good one, folks.

  190. Cashmoney May 1st, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    The question about Gardner has always been his bat. he needs an OBP of 380 to justifying his presence in the lineup every day. But then again, when i look at Ichiro… my guess is G will play all four. It’s much ado nothing as far alignment goes. time will tell indeed.

  191. blake May 1st, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    “The question about Gardner has always been his bat. he needs an OBP of 380 to justifying his presence in the lineup every day. ”

    not really .380…..but .350 or so yea

  192. Cashmoney May 1st, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    sure blake, 380 would be nice, you basically getting Chucky playing LF, like to be higher than 350.

  193. austinmac May 1st, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    JAP,

    Enjoy the game. Please give us a full scouting report.

  194. Cashmoney May 1st, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    most likely G will rotate Wells, Ichiro and Gardner and sit some Grandy against LHP. There will be ample playing time for everyone.

  195. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Why pretend that Granderson would be better in CF? This is a holdover from the Melky vs Gardner debates which you participated in spiritedly.
    ///

    I’m not pretending, dude. He’s not that good, and you trying to have one infer that he’s better than Austin Jackson because of the hokey defensive metrics that fautily (coinage) put him at a Gary Pettis level to begin with, as an arguing point is fairly amusing. I don’t even think you believe that he’s better, or even as good a defender as AJax, but I’ll not make assumptions :D

    Later

  196. Cashmoney May 1st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    For the 22nd straight year, the club stayed out of salary arbitration by agreeing to a two-year, $6 million contract with infielder Mike Aviles on Thursday. The deal includes a club option for 2015.

  197. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    He is equally as good if not better than Ajax yes.

  198. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Amac, will do. He’s got some better weather tonight, too. Out of my mind excited to see him.

    Good one, all

  199. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    And far better than Granderson.

  200. J. Alfred Prufrock May 1st, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Ohhhh, JF. :D

    Later.

  201. Jerkface May 1st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    :roll: Someone trying to portray Granderson as a superior defender to Gardner being snarky :roll:

  202. jacksquat May 1st, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Gardner is the better CF.

    The only advantage Ichiro has is the other 3 OF haven’t really played RF, Wells has started 23 games in RF and Granderson and Gardner have never played RF in the majors.

    And we know how Girardi thinks about OF not being used where they aren’t used to playing…

  203. Cashmoney May 1st, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    I wonder if Corban can outhit Overbay at 1b even though from I read he is disastrous defensively everywhere. I hope G put him in a game soon to keep him semi warm.

  204. Pat M. May 1st, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Granderson is simply the superior ballplayer Face, and it’s not even close ….Bottom line

  205. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    JF, Gardner is in no way a better CF than AJax. And I won’t belabor this discussion as I do like Gardner in CF, but he is not in a class with the very top CF’s of which AJax is one.

  206. Cashmoney May 1st, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    the biggest offensive black hole to me right now is Nix having to play everyday. But, we aint got no option to paraphrase cmoney because? we release Adams in the spring over some retreads.

  207. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Cashmoney, let’s see if Corban even gets into a game. Maybe a bat off the bench; you aren’t going to see him as a late inning defensive replacement, after all…

    I hope Trenton has some O left to support JRam after the double header yesterday. I wonder if McCoy will catch him after JR was called into double catching duty yesterday after Higgy got hurt.

  208. ObviousMan May 1st, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Of course Ajax is a top cf. haven’t you learned anything from the idiots on this blog? Yankee prospects are horrible, until they get traded, in which case they suddenly become future hall of gamers. Phil coke is the greatest reliever of all time. Hey, they are just being “Reslistic!”.

  209. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 1st, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Pruf, I didn’t mean to imply that he was the CF in those years…my bad. My point is very simple: Gardy is a better defender than Grandy and belongs in CF. Grandy is a better power hitter and belongs at one of the corners. Fortunately, imo, all 4 of our dudes (once young Curtis returns) are versatile and allows Joe to mix/match as “needed.” Another point is that these 4 are our options; that’s not going to change. Of said 4, I’d venture to say Grandy has the poorest arm and belongs in left. I’d also venture to say that after a cold start, Ichiro is clearly warming up. When Curtis comes back, does Francisco (ice cold but righty) or Boesch (average but lefty) get the axe?

  210. Cashmoney May 1st, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Fem, I think G will get him into a game soon. but you right, i can’t even envision him pinch hitting due to lack coverage on the inf and G most likely won’t choose him over OF options.

  211. ObviousMan May 1st, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Lol @ all the whining and complaining after a month none of the malcontents could have predicted. And guess what– the hated Cashman and Girardi still have their jobs, and jerk face, cash money, randy, and co are still stuck on a meaningless message board complaining about them.

    “Realistic!” Yankee fans here= epic fail!!!

  212. Doreen May 1st, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Question: why is it not too soon to declare the Red Sox a better team but for the Yankees we have to remember it is only one month?

  213. yankeefeminista May 1st, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Cash, even if 1B is the lesser of two evils, do you really think the Yanks will let CoJo play there after only having played 2 games there in his MiLB life?

  214. Doreen May 1st, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Ajax ALWAYS had the fielding tool he is an elite CF. the only ?S with him was would he develop power and would he cut down the Ks.

  215. ObviousMan May 1st, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Doreen,

    Because this board is monopolized by a bunch of idiot malcontent Yankee fans whose sole purpose in life is to complain about yankees management. Trust me, if the yankees had started 10-16, these people here would not be using the ” it’s only one month” excuse.

  216. Cashmoney May 1st, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    unlikely, Fem.

  217. Doreen May 1st, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    The point is it is only the first month for all. And better to get off to a good start than be trying to dig out of a hole. Also I like to think I have my feet based in reality but allow myself To go on tippy toe to reach the clouds. A little optimism here is not out of place.

    Sure you don’t know what could be around the corner but you never do.

  218. ObviousMan May 1st, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    The yankees track record generally makes optimism, and not pessimism, realistic. But the malcontents here are obsessed with their anti- Cashman and anti- Girardi agendas, and they’ll gladly twist reality and cherry pick the negative to pursue those fruitless agendas.

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