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Cashman leftovers: Nelson, Wang, Montgomery, Rapada

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 02, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I might have missed one, but after a quick read through my notes from today’s Brian Cashman conference call, I believe he specifically mentioned 18 different players by name.* Some were players who came up in questions, some were names that he brought up on his own, but at some point he said the name of 18 different players. That’s pretty insane, especially for a random Thursday in early May when there was no game scheduled and no news really expected.

Anyway, just to make sure we’ve covered everything — we hit on most of the transactions and injury updates earlier today — here are a few leftovers. It’s a rare day that the leftovers are still fairly interesting. These quotes are Cashman’s words.

Chris NelsonWhy trade for Chris Nelson?
“Ultimately, we’ve been running Jayson Nix out there every day, (and) Cano out there every day, so he’s going to give us a chance to make sure we take the pedal off the metal on Nixy a little bit and maybe Cano a little bit. Ultimately, Joe has been doing a great job of getting guys in the outfield some time here and there, but because of the roster setup that we’re currently sitting at, when Youk went down there was a period of time where he was playing Nixy every day because we didn’t know where Youk was. Now Youk is down. I didn’t really have an alternative to him because David Adams wasn’t available to us, but now I do have an alternative third baseman, and he can play second as well. So if Joe decides, he can rest a Cano for a day or he can rest a Nix for a day, or longer. I think it’s going to depend on getting to know the player a little bit; better pitcher matchups; how Nixy is feeling. That type of stuff.”

Is there a need for a right-handed first baseman? Can Nelson play there?
“I don’t know if Nelson can play first base. I don’t remember seeing first base ever in his fielding background. It’s possible. I know he’s played a lot of different spots. We didn’t acquire him because of first base. It would be nice to have a right-handed alternative there at first base, but it’s not something I’m out there looking for.”

Why isn’t Chien-Ming Wang a candidate for promotion?
“I think he’s done well. He’s not the power sinker he used to be, but we believe he needs to mix in more of his breaking balls to have the type of success necessary to pitch up here consistently. We’ve talked to Wanger about that. He’s becoming a different type of pitcher now because he can’t come up here and just sink that sinker every pitch. He needs to incorporate some of his pitches in there and mix and match because he’s that reduced in velocity. His lines have been very nice and good, but he’s working on all his weapons because what he’s doing down there wouldn’t represent necessarily what we think he could do up here right now.”

Would Mark Montgomery be trusted as a seventh-inning reliever?
“He might not even be the guy (called up). Bottom line, I think Joe will trust that whoever he turns the ball to in the circumstance he turns it to — whether it’s the sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth or extra innings — that guy is going to get the job done. We’re talking through a number of candidates. Montgomery is obviously one. Claiborne is one. Demel is one. We’re talking about a lot of different guys right now. We haven’t decided on what we’re doing yet.”

Why not Clay Rapada for Chamberlain’s spot?
“The reason I say Rapada (isn’t an option) isn’t because Rapada wouldn’t be someone worth talking about, but I think we need someone that’s going to give us a little bit more. Clay is a left-on-left guy, and I think we’re going to need a little more than that.”

* The players mentioned by Cashman (in order): Joba Chamberlain, Clay Rapada, Dave Robertson, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Montgomery, Preston Claiborne, Sam Demel, Chien-Ming Wang, Mark Teixeira, Curtis Granderson, Michael Pineda, Derek Jeter, Corban Joseph, Chris Nelson, Jayson Nix, Robinson Cano, Kevin Youkilis, David Adams

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124 Responses to “Cashman leftovers: Nelson, Wang, Montgomery, Rapada”

  1. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    This blog churns out a lot more info when you’re at the keyboard, Chad. Thanks.

  2. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Can we please steal as many of Tampa’s Pitching development people as possible.


  3. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    And a few of their best Pitching scouts.


  4. RadioKev May 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    The timing is a tough break for Adams, but if he keeps hitting I’m sure he’ll get his shot this season.

  5. randy l. May 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm


    do you have anything on how gil patterson teaches a breaking ball ?

    a few years ago i asked neil allen what wang could do to throw a slider to go withwith his sinker that wouldn’t mess with his sinker. as allen taught wang the sinker i figured he’d know. neil said it was no problem just grip the ball in the right position and pull straight down, like pulling down a lamp shade.
    with his approach, there was no turning of the arm or hand. just grip and pull down.curve, slider, cut fastball all with just different grip.
    i’m sure there are different ways to teach a breaking ball. neil had one of the best 12/6 curves in the game when he played so he definitely knew how to spin a baseball.

  6. fantasygame101 May 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Why not steal the tampa’s GM too? normally the gm will bring in his people too.

  7. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 pm


    Let’s get him back from Tampa.

    We need Men like that teaching our kids.


  8. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    OK. The GM too if you want.


  9. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    But Pruneface stays where he is !


  10. 4 NYY May 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Everything is as clear as mud now !

  11. randy l. May 2nd, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    “Let’s get him back from Tampa.

    We need Men like that teaching our kids.”


    pitching is a craft. there’s a whole fraternity of pitching coaches who all know each other. while catching neil for a couple of rehab winters, i met cooper with the white sox, rhighetti, richard dotson, rick peterson and stu cliburn are good friends. stu knows neil through me. my point is that there is a whole network of pitching coaches out there. they talk and they pass things on to each other. they developed friendships from playing together.
    one day in front of my business in sarasota neil had stopped by and richard dotson just happened to come next door with his family for ice cream. he then spent the next half hour showing neil how to throw a circle change.
    this is how these pitches get passed on. i just googled “richard dotson” and this came up:
    DL: How did you develop your changeup?

    RD: The reason I got to the big leagues at age 20, I think, is that we had a pitching coach that came to Chicago in spring training in 1979. His name was Fred Martin, and he had been with the Cubs for a number of years. I think Fred is credited with teaching Bruce Sutter the split-finger fastball, which became such a boutique pitch. Fred came over in 1979, and I don’t remember if he was the big-league pitching coach or the minor league coordinator, but he ended up dying; he passed away that year. But Fred came over, and I remember that it was Ross Baumgarten, myself, Steve Trout, all these guys, and it was the first time I had heard of the circle changeup, which is a big pitch now. But back then, I had never heard of it. Fred had us all lined up on the six pack at Sarasota, and he was showing us how to throw the circle changeup. I went back to Double-A that year, and the second half of the year that pitch itself is what got me to the big leagues. Before that, I was a fastball/curveball pitcher, and like I said, my curveball was something I had control issues with; big curveballs are harder to control. The changeup gave me something off-speed, where I could get somebody 3-0 and throw three or four changeups in a row; I could throw it for a strike.”

    the funny thing is that allen couldn’t throw the circle change dotson showed him in our workouts, but i picked it up right away. not that a good change helps a catcher :)

    my point is that there are a whole bunch of really good pitching coaches out there. why the yankees have trouble getting them to work for them is open to speculation, but they did have trouble getting patterson back. he was gone for a long time.

    are the yankees or someone in management hard to work for?
    do good pitching coaches prefer to work elsewhere?

    you have to wonder.

  12. theREALkevin May 2nd, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Nelson has not been a strong defender in the bigs, I’m not really sure he’s the type of guy you want to start plugging into a bunch of different positions

  13. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 7:41 pm


    “are the yankees or someone in management hard to work for?
    do good pitching coaches prefer to work elsewhere?

    you have to wonder.”

    Good question. I wonder too.

  14. mick May 2nd, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Does your new rule apply to long posts?
    That last one counts for more than 3. ;)

  15. randy l. May 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    “Does your new rule apply to long posts?”


    it’s like when we were kids. if you can call it first it’s a rule .

    at least until the new rule is called that changes it again :)

  16. mick May 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Long posts suck.
    3 short ones > 1 really long one.
    LoHud SAS rule. (short att. span)

  17. mick May 2nd, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    some people like to write a thesis.
    some like to make a proclamation.
    some like to tell a story.
    which are better, observations or opinions?

  18. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    I’d like to see Nelson,Nunez, Romine, and Montgomery all appear in the same game.

    That would be a youth movement.


  19. randy l. May 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    link for that richard dotson article:

    he’s still coaching for the white sox at charlotte triple a

    he was a yankee pitcher at one point.

    maybe he’d be a good pitching coach to steal if one wanted their pitchers to throw an EFFING change up. maybe getting a guy as a coach who threw a PLUS change up might be a good EFFING idea.

    sorry i started to get carried away :)

  20. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    And have Vidal start it.

  21. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 7:57 pm


    I wonder who we’d get to teach the cutter ?


  22. randy l. May 2nd, 2013 at 7:59 pm


    let me think :)

  23. Carly May 2nd, 2013 at 8:03 pm


    I do not. I pulled that quote from a q&a with Josh Norris. Nice info from Allen. Thanks.

  24. mick May 2nd, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    a night without baseball , yankee baseball, is cruel and unusual punishment.

  25. Carly May 2nd, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Good solid start for Marshall in AAA tonight!

  26. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    They needed a day off to complete all these changes and roster moves.


  27. 4 NYY May 2nd, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    theREALkevin May 2nd, 2013 at 7:40 pm
    Nelson has not been a strong defender in the bigs, I’m not really sure he’s the type of guy you want to start plugging into a bunch of different positions


    Nunie the 2nd. ?

  28. randy l. May 2nd, 2013 at 8:13 pm


    i really wish i had learned more from pro pitching coaches when i was around them. my job was really just to make sure that the pitcher didn’t have to go for a long walk to get the ball after they threw it.

    the reason i know the above is one time i advised a pitcher that he was throwing across his body and he walked all the way to me and calmly pointed out the only reason i was there was so he didn’t have to take that long walk to get the ball.

    yup, that cuts down on the old questions :)

  29. Pat M. May 2nd, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Enjoyed a casual conversation this afternoon ( and a few drinks ) at the golf course with a member of the 2002 Anaheim Angels…..I asked him what was the key to beating such a stacked ballclub in the ALDS ???? His answer, No Mariano Rivera !!!!!

  30. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 2nd, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Cashman called him “Wanger.” Huhu.

  31. Doreen May 2nd, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    I am one of those occasionally (okay, sometimes more than occasionally) wordy posters…

    It never seems so long until I actually see it posted.

    This is not the only place it happens. I’m working on being less paragraphical and more “bullets.”

    but, you know, one thing always seems to lead to another….

  32. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 2nd, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    mick, it really is! The combo of the Rangers & Nets is at least keeping me mildly entertained, for what it’s worth.

  33. Yankee Trader May 2nd, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Railriders won 4-1 behind 7 shutout innings by Marshall and save by Eppley striking out 3 of 4 batters, now with a 2.98 ERA.

    Might Eppley be the one called up?

  34. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 8:47 pm


    Either he gets called up or he gets DFA’ed.

  35. Yankee Trader May 2nd, 2013 at 8:55 pm


    I’m Enjoying the stories by Randy.

    Why is Joba always hurt? Did he hurt the oblique choking on food while in the bullpen?

    Ironic that the Yankees with only one starting position player who started the season in 2012 (Cano), are winning games and with the home run, no less. My bad Gardner also was a starter for the first two weeks.

  36. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 8:58 pm


    Are you home now ?

    Joba does seem to get injured a lot. But he has amazing recuperative powers.

    The Bandaid Brigade are doing an amazing job so far.

  37. Yankee Trader May 2nd, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Came back Monday. I haven’t been around much with the breakfast club.

    Still hope the Yankees give Mustelier a chance to either get some time at a corner OF spot or at third.

  38. blake May 2nd, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    “Enjoyed a casual conversation this afternoon ( and a few drinks ) at the golf course with a member of the 2002 Anaheim Angels…..I asked him what was the key to beating such a stacked ballclub in the ALDS ???? His answer, No Mariano Rivera !!!!!”

    It wasn’t the Rally monkey?

  39. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 9:08 pm


    Me too. I feel he has earned it and can contribute.

  40. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    “Enjoyed a casual conversation this afternoon ( and a few drinks ) at the golf course with a member of the 2002 Anaheim Angels…..I asked him what was the key to beating such a stacked ballclub in the ALDS ???? His answer, No Mariano Rivera !!!!”

    The Yankees’ starters were awful in that series.

    Game 1 Clemens 5.2 8 4 4
    Game 2 Pettitte 3 8 4 4
    Game 3 Moose 4 6 4 4
    Game 4 Wells 4.2 10 8 8

  41. Yankee Trader May 2nd, 2013 at 9:10 pm


    I believe the key to the Angels success was when they called up a young pitcher , Francisco Rodriguez, and gave him a chance to shine- which he did!

  42. randy l. May 2nd, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    “I’m Enjoying the stories by Randy.”

    oh good, i’ll make up some more :)

  43. Yankee Trader May 2nd, 2013 at 9:15 pm


    If they are “made up” stories, well then I”ll just take them for what they are! :)

  44. blake May 2nd, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    “I believe the key to the Angels success was when they called up a young pitcher , Francisco Rodriguez, and gave him a chance to shine- which he did!”

    I think mostly they got lucky… I hated losin that series….after the 2004 debacle that’s my most hated series I can remember

  45. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Not me, both 2001 and 2003 come after 2004.

  46. Yankee Trader May 2nd, 2013 at 9:24 pm


    Predictions subject to change on a whim:

    Granderson will get most of his starts, at ,least initially in CF.

    Teixeira will have trouble with his right wrist batting from the left side.

    ARod will make it back this season, if he isn’t suspended.

    Somehow, the Yankees will make the playoffs!

    Until tomorrow.

  47. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    2004 is a permanent stain.


  48. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    We don’t need Tex from the left side. If that is an issue, they have to force reality on Tex.

  49. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 9:28 pm


    Tex is paid enough that they won’t force anything on him.

    He can suck all he wants from that side. They’re still gonna play him.

    I’m afraid that’s the reality.

    Perhaps YT is right and he’ll need surgery ?

  50. Yankee Trader May 2nd, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    2001 was a tough one for me. Especially after Jeter and Soriano hit magical homers at exactly the stroke of midnight to win games.

    Had George prevailed in 2003 and signed David Ortiz, the Yankees would have gone on to win the WS 4-0 vs. the Cardinals.

  51. Jesus Bustero May 2nd, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    2004 was in a league of its own. That same year trillion dollar war hero George W. Bush won reelection on top of it.

    2001 wasn’t so bad because we had just rattled off 4 close together. The way it happened hurt.

    2003 was annoying because Mel Stottlemeyer and Torre managed too conservatively and didn’t give Contreras a chance to start even though he mowed down the Marlins.

    2002 was annoying on a whole other level because of the rally monkey but that was one of the greatest, most competitive baseball series ever played.

  52. Jesus Bustero May 2nd, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    I should say, 3-4 trillion dollar war hero.

  53. Yankee Trader May 2nd, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Small sample size but Bautista, Fuld and one or two others needed tendon sheath surgery for their dominant bottom hands on the bat. Only Ortiz made it back without surgery , but it was his left, upper hand, of the bat.

  54. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 pm


    The alternative way to look at is that he is paid so much (and not worth the contract) that he should do what he is told.

    I’m not saying you’re wrong, merely that with the money comes an obligation to the team.

    On the bright side, only 3 more years to go after this one!

  55. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 9:35 pm


    Stop the politics.

  56. Yankee Trader May 2nd, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Now I’m outta here.

  57. Jesus Bustero May 2nd, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Those Yankees teams were amazing, they easily could have won 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004. Those were all WS caliber teams. You just never got the one-and-done feeling with any of them for nearly half a decade.

    Now from 2005-2013 I’ve constantly felt the one-and-done panic attacks.

  58. blake May 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    2001 I just kinda felt cheated….by it was such a great series and such a memorable series that I still have a lot of good memories from it…….they also faced that two headed monster of schilling and unit in that series.

    2003 they had a let down after beating the Sox and that was annoying too…..that Angel series in 2002 I just hated though….the whole rally monkey crap and all that…..I can’t stand the Angels still over a decade later

  59. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm


    Thing is they won’t tell him anything.

    They’ll be willing to settle for later day Giambi performance plus a glove.

    Maybe the operation would benefit Tex in the long run ?

  60. blake May 2nd, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    The 2001 WS was the best one I’ve ever seen even though we lost….just the emotion …the events surrounding it… the Yankees miraculously won those 3 straight games in NY as it something higher was helping them ……I just have so many vivid memories from that series……the ending was terrible and a total fluke IMO but the series as a whole was incredible

  61. Pat M. May 2nd, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Wait, people are going on the record that they rather play Overbay vs. righties over Mark Texeria ????? Wow

  62. Jesus Bustero May 2nd, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Yeah some dramatic home runs in 2001. But the back and forth in 2002 was crazy. Those teams were so evenly matched. In 2001, the Yankees were just so much better but they lost to Schilling and Randy Johnson. I hate those 2 guys probably more than any player in baseball history.

  63. Mike_Boston May 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    After 2004 my worst series was easily Cleveland in 2007. You had the double punch of the midges and the sox winning it.

  64. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm


    I only wish Tex was as good as Giambi, who put up an .876 OPS in his last season with the Yankees, had one season with an OPS over 1.000, and three over .900.

    But my point for this season is that if not swinging LH would reduce the chances of Tex re-injuring himself (Sherman made that point a while back too), then why risk doing that when he isn’t good LH anyway?

    Next season he can go back to being mediocre from the left side when the risk of re-injury has dissipated.

  65. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Pat M. May 2nd, 2013 at 9:42 pm
    Wait, people are going on the record that they rather play Overbay vs. righties over Mark Texeria ????? Wow

    The issue is injury Pat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 2nd, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    I don’t know if anyone heard the controversy regarding Clay “Yeah I Stole Computers What Of It” Bucholz, he of the 1.01 ERA, 6-0 record, and .96 WHIP. If this is old news, I apologize. I’ve been straight out and this is the first time I’ve been on the forum since some time yesterday. It seems that he was accused by someone on the Jays, don’t remember who but it was a pitcher, of having some foreign substance on his arm and continually going to his arm when he was pitching. He laughed it off and said it was just rosen. And, according to his apologist radio broadcasters, using rosen is totally legal. I guess the question is more about what he might have under the rosen.

    They wondered if this was going to turn into something where he would be watched/questioned by other team.

    Here’s what I think, and I will make no apologies to anyone for what I think so don’t look for it. I totally believe he’s doctoring balls. I think he got desperate based on their last few seasons and realized he had to produce or else. I also wonder if Mike Napoli, he of the torrid out of nowhere AVG, is juicing. I am convinced that the Sux are tipped off when there’s going to be drug testing by Henry’s butt buddy Selig. They conspired with that other scumbag, Loria, to belly-up the Expos – and you saw what Loria just pulled with the Marlins – all with Bud’s blessing.

    I’m thinking the Sux are the league’s dirty little secret and players who go there feel secure in juicing. I’m not saying they all do it. I just think that Fat Ortiz takes the new players under his wing and tells them the ropes, over a milkshake.

    Again, I apologize not for what I believe. So if anyone is going to get all moral because I don’t have proof, save it. I’m not asking anyone to buy into it, just letting you know what I think.

    And don’t forget the old saying, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you. Just because this may not appeal to your reason doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.


  67. blake May 2nd, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Pat M. says:
    May 2, 2013 at 9:42 pm
    Wait, people are going on the record that they rather play Overbay vs. righties over Mark Texeria ????? Wow

    Nah….but he’d probably do about as good vs RHP as Tex would…..problem is that he can’t hit a lefty with a boat paddle

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 2nd, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    “2004 is a permanent stain.


    On the Sux, since they had Ortiz and Manny juicing, not to mention Varitek, Nixon, and Kapler. Then there was the Jack Daniels.

    Hardly what I’d call a level playing field.

  69. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Overbay v. RHP

    this season: .322 .375 .610 .985
    last season: .265 .339 .412 .751

    Tex v. RHP

    last season: .239 .331 .438 .770

    If there is an increased risk of re-injury by batting LH it’s a no brainer.

  70. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 9:48 pm


    They want to find out if he is going to need surgery. The only way is to let him play and see what happens.

    Just resting it more may not do the trick anyway.

    These things usually require intervention as YT has pointed out.

    He is too expensive to be used as a lefty platoon guy only.

  71. Jesus Bustero May 2nd, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Napoli, Ortiz, Salty – do more juice than Jamba Juice franchise.

  72. Rich in NJ May 2nd, 2013 at 9:50 pm


    We disagree. Tex v. LHP would be very valuable to this team. He’s replaceable v. RHP.

    Again, this issue turns on whether or not batting LH increases the risk of re-injury that isn’t present batting RH.

  73. blake May 2nd, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    The 2010 ALCS sucked too…..i felt like the Yanks were the better team in that series but they didnt play like it…..kinda when the offense really took a turn downward overall

  74. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 9:52 pm


    Unfortunately the record books will only record what the result was and nothing about any juicing.


  75. blake May 2nd, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    Overbay plus a good RH platoon partner might produce close to what Tex does for a fraction of the cost…it doesn’t matter though cause they are gonna play the guy they owe 23 million bucks a year

  76. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Guess so Rich.

    Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one.

    IMO they don’t pay a guy Tex’s kind of bucks to be a platoon player.

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    May 2, 2013 at 5:17 pm
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    He was great because of his fastball.

    ~ ~ ~ ~
    And because of his slider – which Dave Niehaus nicknamed “diabolical” . . .


  78. MTU May 2nd, 2013 at 9:57 pm


    But what will take him to the next level will be a CU or other OS pitch.


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