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Postgame notes: “Tonight wasn’t one of those nights”

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The video above is Joe Girardi talking about CC Sabathia’s latest outing, and really, there’s not much more to say about. The box score pretty much tells the story: Six innings, two runs, a bunch of singles, one leadoff homer, and too many pitches to give his usual seven or eight innings. It was a fine start. Not a great start, not a bad start, but a winnable start.

“He gave us an opportunity,” Vernon Wells said. “And that’s what our starting pitching has been doing all year. They’ve given us opportunities to win games, and for the most part we’ve been able to score just enough runs to support them.”

The Yankees didn’t do that tonight. In fact, they didn’t score any runs to support them. Sabathia was solid, Adam Warren came through with three scoreless to help a depleted bullpen, and the Yankees responded with an 0-for-6 night with runners in scoring position. They were 1-for-13 with runners on base.

As a team, the Yankees haven’t been particularly good with runners in scoring position — hitting just .219 in those spots — but Travis Hafner has been terrific in those spots, Ichiro Suzuki has hit .320 in RISP at-bats, and Robinson Cano has a .609 slugging percentage in those spots (Kevin Youkilis and Francisco Cervelli were also good with RISP before getting hurt). Key hitters have come through with key hits, and that’s helped. It didn’t happen tonight.

What to make of it? Probably not much except that RISP production is the kind of thing that’s not going to happen every night, and this time it didn’t happen in a game that would have been very winnable otherwise. This was one of those games when the Yankees lineup looked very depleted.

“I think usually guys kind of get locked in a little more in those situations,” Wells said. “I think this team has done a great job over the course of the season. We’ve had opportunities and taken advantage of a lot of them. Tonight wasn’t one of those nights.”

Vernon Wells• The Yankees were shut out for the second time this season. Those two games — also April 24 at Tampa Bay — are the only games they’ve lost when allowing four runs or less. They’re now 10-2 in those games.

• The Yankees hadn’t been shut out by Oakland since August 17, 2009 at the Oakland Coliseum. They hadn’t been shut out by Oakland in New York since June 30, 2007 at the old Yankee Stadium.

• Predictably, the Yankees said some belonged to Oakland starter A.J. Griffin, who throws a very slow curveball to help keep hitters off balance and disrupt timing. “That fastball has decent velocity on it, but it looks harder than it is because he’s throwing that slow curveball at us,” Stewart said. “He was locating his fastball too, just keeping us off balance. We weren’t able to put consistently good swings on him. One inning we had a couple of runners on and hit some balls hard, just right to people. That’s the name of the game.”

• One last gasp came in the eighth when Brett Gardner had a 3-2 count and still laid down a bunt single. It was his second hit of a game, and obviously a gutsy decision with two strikes. “I don’t have a problem with it,” Girardi said. “If you’re a good enough bunter where you can put it fair, you don’t have to be as precise because usually they’re not going to play in. And if you’re able to do it a few times with two strikes, they are going to play in and that opens the infield up more.”

• Robinson Cano’s third-inning double was the 343rd of his career, moving him into a tie with Bill Dickey for ninth place on the Yankees all-time list. He will tie Mickey Mantle for eighth place with his next double.

CC Sabathia• This was the second time in Sabathia’s career that he allowed a home run on his first pitch. Austin Jackson hit a first-pitch homer in 2010. This was only Sabathia’s second career loss against the A’s. “The first pitch of the game was kind of up the middle, the guy got it and hit it out of the park. Other than that he threw pretty well. He got out of a couple of jams and unfortunately left a 3-0 pitch down the middle to Norris to drive in Cespedes. Other than that his stuff was pretty decent. He pitched well tonight.”

• Sabathia on his outing: “Felt pretty good. Felt like I had good stuff and was making some pitches, just they did a good job of putting some good at-bats together and running the pitch count up there. … The good thing, I was throwing my breaking stuff for strikes and it helped me out tonight.”

• In the third inning, Sabathia got into a brief but animated argument with home plate umpire Jordan Baker. That’s why Girardi went to the mound, just to make sure Sabathia was calm. “I can’t be yelled at (by the umpire),” Sabathia said. “I’m a grown man, and I didn’t say nothing to him and he came from behind the plate, so of course I was animated. I guess he thought I was talking to him, but I wasn’t.”

• Stewart on the unusual exchange: “It was just kind of miscommunication. CC was mad at himself. The umpire thought he was talking to him. It was overblown. It wasn’t a situation, it just kind of looked like it.”

• Jayson Nix had his fifth multi-hit game of the year. He has a hit in nine of his past 13 games.

• The pitching bright spot might have been Adam Warren who gave the Yankees three scoreless innings on a night the bullpen was short. He’s been used mostly as a mopup man, but Warren could get more important innings now that David Phelps is in the rotation, Joba Chamberlain is on the DL and Dave Robertson is shut down for a few days. “Gave us a chance to win the game,” Girardi said.

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157 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Tonight wasn’t one of those nights””

  1. luis May 4th, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Rich in NJ May 3rd, 2013 at 11:41 pm
    More seriously, the idea that this team would trade offense for pitching at this point is kind of goofy.

    ===========================================

    Yes…

  2. Yogi Mantle May 4th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    I miss the days when the Yankee offense, even if they weren’t scoring, would work the pitchers relentlessly. This offense allows the starters they face get too deep into games.

  3. Rich in NJ May 4th, 2013 at 12:55 am

    Free Austin Romine.

  4. UnKnown May 4th, 2013 at 2:13 am

    Seriously, your other option is Stewie for God’s sake. Just play Romine, I expect him to definitely go today because it is a quick turnaround game at noon.

    If Joe doesn’t put Romine in the lineup on Saturday then there is no more hope.

  5. Jerkface May 4th, 2013 at 2:40 am

    Day game after a night game so I assume Romine will start tomorrow. ITs getting him into more than 1 game a week that needs to be overcome.

  6. Nick in SF May 4th, 2013 at 2:46 am

    Or more Stewie after a nightmare. AUTSUYGKHDGKSJHAGDKHSAg

  7. blake May 4th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    I can tell from the number of posts how excited everyone is

  8. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 7:38 am

    blake-

    people do tend to get more revved up when their team wins. it’s simply human nature.

  9. blake May 4th, 2013 at 7:41 am

    Hanley hurt pretty bad sounds like….dodgers need Arod!

  10. blake May 4th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    I think it’s more than winning though because they are winning most of the time…..Hal probably is keeping a close watch on the attendance and ratings and is weighing whether or not his plan will work

  11. blake May 4th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    The Yanks are gonna need to add a bat at some point to have a legit shot IMO….and the guys coming back isn’t enough ….they just aren’t scoring enough and winning games the way they have may not be sustainable over the long season

  12. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    george was about publicity as much if not more than he was about winning. hal doesn’t seem to be interested in keeping yankees fans enthused . george tended to try get players who put poople in the seats.

    i think the simple decision to let the seats behind home plate generate revenue but not generate any noise or enthusiasm says a lot about where hal is coming from. my own feeling is that’s one of the things i hate about the present situation.

    i think a decision like that to put wealthy disinterested fans as the scene that most see on tv shows a lack of showmanship.
    the yankees are giving the tv audience the impression that it’s kind of a boring thing to do to watch yankees games. george would have never done that.

  13. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    “poople” ?

    hey that could come in handy at some point :)

  14. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Hal seems to be all about corporate efficiency…..I’ve said before he seems like the sort that would take a premier family owed Italian restaurant and turn it into an Olive Garden because its more efficient. The Olive Garden will be successful and might even turn more profit but it’s not the same …..

  15. comnsnse May 4th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    It appears a season of clichéd responses from the Cashman/Girardi team and general shilling from Kay and company will be the order of he day!

    It’s depressing to watch this roster try to compete on a daily basis so I guess it will be every so often.

    Doesn’t really do much for the blog either!

  16. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    randy

    You need to stop and think for a minute.

    You are more like Hal than George.

    George would’ve gone and bought the fanciest box he could find, not considering cost.

    Hal(like you) would build them.

  17. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Yankees lost last night. Griffin looked pretty good. What can you do?

    Win the next two.

  18. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    @YankeesPR: Good morning from Yankee Stadium http://t.co/l8B9JnVD4u

    What inning was this?

  19. comnsnse May 4th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Blake, most franchise restaurants can be described as mediocre and where price is the consumer objective.

    The real problem is so are many of the so called “better” restaurants as well.

    The biggest problem if you might call it that is , when you have eaten well at home and it those very few better restaurants you do become jaded.

    Age does have something to do with it! ;)

  20. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    “Hal(like you) would build them.”

    Nah….I think George woukd have built the fanciest box himself or supervised its construction closely……Hal would mass produce boxes overseas

  21. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    You can’t show the fans all winter saving money trumps winning and expect enthusiasm. We, the obsessed and ardent fans, have lesser expectations than before. Plus, do people really want to spend their hard earned money to watch Nix and Stewart play?

    Build hope. The playing guys on their last legs just isn’t doing that.

  22. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Good morning

    Blake

    What bat do you have in mind? If I remember correctly there aren’t too many upcoming good FA bats.

    I actually believe ARod will be back along with Granderson.

  23. comnsnse May 4th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Anyone know how many seats have been sold for the season?

    The place is half empty so far for most games and while some of this is weather related, I don’t think the fans believe this decent early start will last.

  24. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    So far George has more dud teams on his record than Hal does… by the way…

  25. Doreen May 4th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Winning is the best publicity. But it is true that George would do most anything to keep the Yankees on the back page. It wasn’t all very pretty, though. It was more in the vein of bad publicity is better than no publicity, much of the time.

    I’m not sure that George did not have some say in the new stadium’s design. I know at the time, the luxury seating was insufficient for demand. The economy tanked and corporations no longer buy those seats, handing them out to whoever. It was a short- sighted decision, made at a time of excess.

    It disturbs me that the average fan can really never hope to have a seat case to the action, in any event. It’s my hope that at some point the Yankees realize that it is better for them to have the regular guy sitting closer to the field. Those seats at field level will always be the most expensive seats in the house, but they should be something a guy with a normal income can hope to buy even once. Even if the Yankees were a team packed with current all-stars who we’re capable of going 162 and 0, it is ridiculous to have those luxury seats where they are.

  26. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Lets not forget that George did build the “box” that is the current Yankees…..he built it from scratch more or less. Hal had it given to him…..

  27. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    “What bat do you have in mind? If I remember correctly there aren’t too many upcoming good FA bats.”

    Don’t know yet….I think Headley will be traded and it wouldn’t shock me if another shook loose

  28. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    RadioKev says:
    May 4, 2013 at 8:18 am
    So far George has more dud teams on his record than Hal does… by the way…

    Sure….George wasn’t perfect ….really not talking about that.

  29. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    You know what team was overly concerned with their marketing? The Red Sox. They went and bought superstars to draw, not to play, and that didn’t work out too well for them. Blue Jays had some great attendance for the first few games too…

    I’d hate to think fans are showing up due to a lack of star power. So far they’ve played winning baseball.

  30. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    I think the Yanks should consider doing some thing sto make the new stadium feel more like a ball park than a mall…..I don’t really know what those might be however

  31. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Yeah Blake, George wasn’t perfect. He made many, many bad baseball decisions. Hal is definitely operating with a different approach… but the team is still willing to spend tons of money. I really don’t mind a more measured approach.

    Folks on here wanted us to go big and get Hamilton… yeah… and Pujols… yeah…

  32. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    “You know what team was overly concerned with their marketing? The Red Sox. They went and bought superstars to draw, not to play, and that didn’t work out too well for them. Blue Jays had some great attendance for the first few games too…”

    It has to be a good mixture…..the Jays carried tons of risk from day 1 and I never knew what theo was thinking giving Crawford or Lackey those contracts

  33. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:16 am
    “Hal(like you) would build them.”

    Nah….I think George woukd have built the fanciest box himself or supervised its construction closely……Hal would mass produce boxes overseas

    ———————————————————————————

    George would buy the country, mass produce boxes and sell them to all the other teams. :D:

    Of course he would team up with Jerry Jones so he could sell them to the NFL too.

  34. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    “Folks on here wanted us to go big and get Hamilton… yeah… and Pujols… yeah…”

    I wanted Hamilton (5 years or less) and its still too early to say about him (although he looks absolutely horrible). Never wanted Pujols for anywhere near that money.

    Mostly I’ve just been wanted them to add offense for like 4 years now….

  35. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Winning does build enthusiasm, but I don’t see this team winning throughout the season. The offense is now 7th in the league in runs scored and slipping back fast. This isn’t 1968. The team has to score more runs to win consistently.

    Ichiro at no. five in the order with absolutely no power shown says it all as did Cervelli there with his career as a below average hitter.

    People go to games for a show. Scoring 3-4 runs per game as they have recently simply isn’t as fun.

  36. Doreen May 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    I don’t think people (outside of Lohud) would flock to see a bunch of minor leaguers play, at least not unless those guys hit the ground running, or they were prospects the general fan base was looking forward to seeing. But winning trumps all. And the price of tickets and the peripheral costs is also something that keeps people away.

    If the question asked by fans is Who is this guy? I don’t think it matters if the guy is a one-year stopgap veteran or a fringe AAA or AAAA player.

    Montero would have brought people to the park, but only if he continued to hit like he did in that September call-up. If austin Jackson had the same first year in NY as he did in Detrout, many Yankees fans would have called him a bust and who knows what would have happened. Star pitchers are only good for one game in five.

    The Yankees would still get people wanting to see the last of Jeter, Pettitte and Mo. But Jeter’s the only one on the field everyday (or who was supposed to be).

    I think it’s too early to ake sweeping statements about attendance, but it does bear watching.

  37. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    “George would buy the country, mass produce boxes and sell them to all the other teams. :”

    Probably….but he’d keep the best boxes for the Yankees!

  38. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    “I don’t think people (outside of Lohud) would flock to see a bunch of minor leaguers play, at least not unless those guys hit the ground running, or they were prospects the general fan base was looking forward to seeing. But winning trumps all. And the price of tickets and the peripheral costs is also something that keeps people away.”

    Me neither….no way you could field a team full of prospects with the Yankees and I wouldn’t want that either.

    What they do need though is “some” youth to mix in and some guys for fans to dream on.

    As a fan you want a few guys on the team that could get better…..not a team film of guys you’re afraid are going to he worse

  39. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

    Attendance figures for all major league parks. Compared to year end 2012 Yankee Stadium totals the Yankees are down well over 6500/game so far this year at home.

  40. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    “.I’ve said before he seems like the sort that would take a premier family owed Italian restaurant and turn it into an Olive Garden because its more efficient. The Olive Garden will be successful and might even turn more profit but it’s not the same …..”

    blake-

    that simple statement sums up what i feel about things in general and not just the yankees. what you’re talking about is authenticity. the really well done family restaurant probably is making a lot of things form scratch. olive garden not likely.

    my business on cape cod is really simple. it’s one potter making a mug. or one silversmith making a jewelry piece.or one woodworker making a cutting board.

    our mugs are $20- $39. i understand that wall mart has mugs for 7.99, and even williams sonoma has mugs for less than we do, but there is a difference between the mugs we have and the ones in retailers who carry made in china mugs.

    i have nothing against things made in china. my apple computer and my nikes and many other things i own are made there. but i want some things have a higher quality.
    i think a lot of people do in many areas of their lives. that’s why there are whole foods vs the traditional supermarket, local cafes doing locally roasted, freshly brewed organic coffee as well as starbucks . and then some people do like dunking donuts.

    of course there is a qualitative difference between the products the individual business put out to customers. the yankees are no different. a business has to decide who it’s customer is and has to decide what business it wants to be in.

    i think the yankees shot themselves in the foot with the new stadium and who they were trying to sell too, and who they thought was their customer.
    my personal opinion is that hal doesn’t know someone like yankeefeminista exists. if i were running the yankees, fans like her would be my ideal customer who i’d build my business and my stadium around.

    i realize the yankees have always been a mass market team since the time of my youth and before that even, but there was always this drive for excellence that somehow had an authenticity to it.
    i just don’t think hal gets that authenticity thing.

  41. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:23 am
    I think the Yanks should consider doing some thing sto make the new stadium feel more like a ball park than a mall…..I don’t really know what those might be however

    ———————————————————————-

    That’s what’s happening in all sports.

    Trying to get the casual fan to come and spend money any way they can.

    Go to a mil game and see all the promotion being done to get fans there for reasons other than the game.

  42. pat May 4th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Hals’ plan seems to be resonating with some here based on some comments this week.

    The who needs Tex/Alex/Granderson crowd when we have Overbay/Nix/Wells is music to Hal’s ears.

    He knows he’s getting back some of his headliners who will put more butts in the seats when they come back but he’s gotten some to steer away from all star at every position expectations.

  43. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    For several years Cashman said they didn’t need to add hitters when it was patently obvious the offensive core was in decline mode. I watch Cespedes hit because I might see something. He so easily could have been a Yankee. It was not closed bidding. They were cheaper than the A’s who don’t even have a home they want to live in.

    That sends a clear message to the fans. They hear it.

  44. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    I wanted Hamilton (5 years or less) and its still too early to say about him (although he looks absolutely horrible). Never wanted Pujols for anywhere near that money.
    ————

    I agree with Hamilton actually, if his value dropped that much it would have been a good sign.

    But he does look awful, and I really doubt he ever becomes a consistently great player at this stage in his career. He might not even be a good streaky player anymore.

  45. Doreen May 4th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    I didn’t think the stadium felt like a mall, Blake. In fact, while it is a prettier stadium, Citifield is the one that feels more like a mall to me.

  46. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    “The who needs Tex/Alex/Granderson crowd when we have Overbay/Nix/Wells is music to Hal’s ears.”

    Actually I think most people don’t want any of those players ideally…..but if we are on a budge then I’ll take the ones who cost like a million times less when they are producing close to the same

  47. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Doreen says:
    May 4, 2013 at 8:35 am
    I didn’t think the stadium felt like a mall, Blake. In fact, while it is a prettier stadium, Citifield is the one that feels more like a mall to me.

    Yes but regular fans can’t even sit close in some areas…..you walk into Camden yards you feel like you’re in a ball park….a real ball park….I guess that’s what I mean

  48. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    It’s not too early to talk about attendance. Frankly, I have predicted it all winter. It is simple really. Show unenthusiastic efforts to win and interest declines. I am a big of fan as anyone, and this year I am more apt to go to a movie at night or go out to eat.

    There is very little, if anything, they can do now. They have no offensive players in the minors that are currently capable of providing excitement.

  49. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    “But he does look awful, and I really doubt he ever becomes a consistently great player at this stage in his career. He might not even be a good streaky player anymore.”

    I know what’s wrong with him with regards to why he’s being awful…..I just don’t know why he’s swinging at everything the way he is……I’ve never seen a player on his caliber be this bad for almost a year now with no injury concerns really …….it’s strange

  50. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    randy

    our mugs are $20- $39. i understand that wall mart has mugs for 7.99, and even williams sonoma has mugs for less than we do, but there is a difference between the mugs we have and the ones in retailers who carry made in china mugs.

    —————————————————————————————-

    The only difference is you lose more money when the mug from your shop breaks.

  51. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Again attaching attendance figures:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

  52. pat May 4th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    “…..but if we are on a budge then I’ll take the ones who cost like a million times less when they are producing close to the same”

    He’s gotten you to lower your expectations which is what leaking the under $189 was all about to begin with.

  53. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    If a couple of guys came thru in the clutch last night we might have won that game.

    Object now is to win the series.

    Still can do that.

    Anxious to see if Hughes can continue to build on his string of good starts.

    He may have discovered something with that slider.

    ;)

  54. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Randy,

    I get what you’re saying…..I eat at chains but always prefer the uniqueness of family owed joints when possible. I like eating or owning things that are unique or that somebody has put hard work in to……a mug that’s made by a person is more special than one made by a robot on an assembly line to me……although I have changed my mind about robot umpires ;)

  55. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    “I know what’s wrong with him with regards to why he’s being awful…..I just don’t know why he’s swinging at everything the way he is……I’ve never seen a player on his caliber be this bad for almost a year now with no injury concerns really …….it’s strange.”
    ———
    Adam Dunn :)

  56. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    I don’t like Hughes against the A’s at home.

  57. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    “He’s gotten you to lower your expectations which is what leaking the under $189 was all about to begin with.”

    No….I want to replace the over paid guys that seen performing and spend new money on new players ideally.

    I haven’t lowered my expectations at all…..

  58. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    the yankees should definitely bring up more players they” make form scratch”.

    that would be a major step in the right direction in authenticity.

    as much as i liked a player like nettles or chamblis or matsui there is nothing like a mantle, munson, jeter, posada, guidry, pettitte, or rivera.

    people talk about rooting for the laundry, but that breaks down when a bunch of new players are brought in each year to fill a one year needs. there needs to be long term rooting for individual players who the fan grows up with. the home grown players provide a base that keeps fans interested.

  59. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Maybe the robot umpires would be less confrontational.

    Or maybe they would try to destroy us all.

  60. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    “Adam Dunn ”

    Ozzie guillen started his problems….that and he doesn’t like DHing.

    Hamilton literally went from the best player in baseball early last year to a guy that couldn’t make contact like over night

  61. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Sometimes when I drink too many cups of coffee I freak out worrying my eyes will dry out like Hamilton’s.

  62. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    I watched a bit of the RS and Jays game the other night and talk about empty seats.

    I guess it’s because of all the no name players on those two teams.

    Blame Hal all you want for the current stadium but it was George who got that ball rolling.

  63. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    This team’s offense resembles last years- relying on the long ball and difficulty with RISP. How many of their homers are solo shots?

  64. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    RadioKev says:
    May 4, 2013 at 8:47 am
    Sometimes when I drink too many cups of coffee I freak out worrying my eyes will dry out like Hamilton’s.

    I think he swung at the Goodyear blimp flying over last night

  65. pat May 4th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    “….I want to replace the over paid guys that seen performing and spend new money on new players ideally.”

    “Ideally” is what you say when you know what you want isn’t happening. :wink:

  66. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    The Band-aide Brigade have done a great job so far but they were never designed to hold up for a signifcant portion of the Season.

    Anyone who thought they would was kidding themselves.

    The odds were against that from the start.

    I am happy when they try to integrate youth and give deserving young players a fair shot.

    Cashman should remember his own Mantra: younger, faster, and more athletic.

    ;)

  67. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Maine

    The RS attendance is down 5000/game the Blue Jays up 5000/game from last years.

  68. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    “The only difference is you lose more money when the mug from your shop breaks.”

    maine yankee-

    they’re stoneware. they don’t break that easily. as an aside, maine is full of really good potters and crafts people.
    half the work in my shop on cape cod is made by craftspeople in maine.

    the yankees seriously need to get good again at “making players”.
    from the top down, there is not enough respect for creating things from scratch. george grew up in the ship building industry. it was second nature to him to be around ships being built . you don’t think it was part of him that transcended to how he built the yankees?

    yeah he didn’t weld and do the physical work of creating the ships, but he was there watching. it was part of who he was.

    hal just really doesn’t get the stuff his father did. and MBA is useful, but is pretty weak if it’s not backed with experience in the real world

  69. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 8:55 am
    Maine

    The RS attendance is down 5000/game the Blue Jays up 5000/game from last years.
    ————

    Ha

  70. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 8:47 am
    Sometimes when I drink too many cups of coffee I freak out worrying my eyes will dry out like Hamilton’s.

    ———————————————-

    Drink decaf.

  71. blake May 4th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    “Ideally” is what you say when you know what you want isn’t happening.

    Of course….I didnt say it was

  72. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Blake

    I’m afraid that replacing the overpaid guys-meaning ARod and Tex are impossible. If Sabathia doesn’t pick it up soon is he going to be on that list also?

  73. blake May 4th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    The biggest problem the Yanks face in building players are all the restrictions that MLB has placed on the draft and now internationally…..getting the top talent is gonna be harder for them than ever

  74. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    By his own admission young Stein is too in love w his spreadsheets.

    I still think he is a seller.

    Go ahead Hal prove me wrong.

    I’ll be glad to apologize if I’m wrong.

    ;)

  75. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    I have to wonder at the build from within ability when I see the Yankees top draft picks, Culver and Bichette, being unable to hit at all in low A. Sure glad they outsmarted the consensus with those guys. But, they were cheap signings.

    Being cheap, in the long run, comes back to haunt you. That is the reality of those post-Cole signings. Just like skipping Cespedes and Darvish came in the post-Igawa and post-Contreras days. Hal won’t take risks. It is the corporate philosophy now.

    Rather than seeking young upside guys with risk, they prefer the older players who might have another season in them. And people wonder where the fan enthusiasm is.

  76. blake May 4th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    “I’m afraid that replacing the overpaid guys-meaning ARod and Tex are impossible. If Sabathia doesn’t pick it up soon is he going to be on that list also?”

    CC is fine….he’s overpaid but he’s performing still and intjink he will continue to if he stays healthy

  77. Doreen May 4th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Randy

    I agree people are more likely to invest their time and interest in guys they know will be sticking around awhile.
    *******

    If you go to other stadiums you will see a lot more diversions than exist at Yankee Stadium – much more in line with what you find at minor league parks, all designed with the idea that people can’t sit through a nine inning game without a break, especially if they bring kids. Cleveland and Washington are two stadiums that come to mind. And even in San Fran, there is a giant playground in centerfield. However, YS does lack a certain charm, and as I said, those luxury boxes got to go, at least most of them.

    Maybe people are not going because aside from the game itself there is not enough to do???

    *****
    If the Yankees are able to sustain, and do keep winning, people will go see them.

  78. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    MTU

    The bandaid brigade. :)

    They better hope that Pronk doesn’t get injured. Then Cano will virtually have no protection.

  79. Doreen May 4th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Randy, George was the guy who made free agency what it is today. He was not a build a baseball team from scratch guy.

  80. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    “Sometimes when I drink too many cups of coffee I freak out worrying my eyes will dry out like Hamilton’s.”

    maine yankee-

    i have a better idea than decaf. i once read that too many cups of coffee might be bad for you, so i started drinking out of a giant mug and cut down to one “cup” a day :)

  81. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Blake,

    We all new for the last couple years their was going to be the end of the financial advantage internationally and in the draft. Many said as much and hoped they would spend and help the team while they still could. But, no. Too much money and too much risk for a team than can afford both more than any other.

  82. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 8:55 am
    Maine

    The RS attendance is down 5000/game the Blue Jays up 5000/game from last years.

    ———————————————————————-

    The RS attendance figures from last year where bs. Bloated to keep the sellout streak alive even though everyone knew it wasn’t real.

    What was the Blue Jays attendance last year? Up 5000 is good but % increase compared to the cost is the real story.

  83. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Mac-

    189 is a Boa constrictor.

    It’s strangling the Yankees.

    And taking away one their biggest weapons.

    I seriously wondered what was going on when we let guys like Cespedes, Chapman, etc. slide by w/o a serious battle.

    I think I know now but we’ll see.

    ;)

  84. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Doreen

    I was pretty amazed with the A’s crowd during the playoffs last year. Do we ever see that from the Yankees any more?

    Hand out towels to wave?

  85. 86w183 May 4th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    The team certainly needs an infusion of personality. There’s little on the team, none in the dugout and none in the front office. That contributes to the tepid fan interest.

    You have to have a balance. Reggie + Billy Martin + George + Goose was too much. This group doesn’t have enough.

    With the restrictions on draft pick signings and international free agents the Yanks are going to have to learn something from college sports —- recruiting. You have to sell the fact that your earning power will accelerate dramatically when you don the pinstripes. That post-season play almost every year is free marketing. It’s just a different approach that is needed when the financial offers (for international signings) are going to be rather similar.

    I’m going to NYC in two weeks and have not decided whether or not I’ll take in a game. And I grew up in The Bronx saving my money to go see The Mick —- and Horace Clarke and Hector Lopez and….

  86. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 9:04 am
    “Sometimes when I drink too many cups of coffee I freak out worrying my eyes will dry out like Hamilton’s.”

    maine yankee-

    i have a better idea than decaf. i once read that too many cups of coffee might be bad for you, so i started drinking out of a giant mug and cut down to one “cup” a day

    ———————————————————————-

    Never mind the cup. Just use IV.

  87. Doreen May 4th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    But, if you want to talk about George wantng to bring in who he thought was the best at what they did, no matter the cost, then you’re saying something I can agree with.

    And trying to beat baseball at its own game and not taking the penalty for being the Yankees lying down. Trying to exploit whatever edge he could. But it wasn’t evident right away. So let’s see what happens next year.

    Also pat, as usual, s right on the money. :)

  88. 86w183 May 4th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    i have a better idea than decaf. i once read that too many cups of coffee might be bad for you, so i started drinking out of a giant mug and cut down to one “cup” a day.

    ***************************************************************************

    I can relate to that, Randy! My Doctor told me to drink fewer glasses of wine….. so I bought larger wine glasses.

  89. Jesus Bustero May 4th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Imagine Hamilton’s bad contract on top of Arod’s and Tex’s. That’s why the next big contract is going to have to be a sure-thing, like a Bryce Harper type of promise.

  90. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    YT-

    They do need Pronk to hold it together but his recent injury history would not give one encouragement.

    Perhaps with the way the Yankees are using him he’ll hold up better.

    I like the guy a lot. When healthy he could always swing it.

    Noticed last night that his OBP is over .400.

    I know I am like a broken record but I still think guys like Musty and/or Adams can help.

    And I am curious to see what Nelson can bring.

    There are lot of things the Yankees do these days that puzzle me.

  91. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    “Randy, George was the guy who made free agency what it is today. He was not a build a baseball team from scratch guy.”

    doreen-

    george was a really complex guy. he would get down in the trenches with ship building employees and old school baseball people. hal has never seen the world the way george did.

    i hated some things about george, but he was the owner who laid the base for two championship runs.

    when george was in sharge he had a lot of old school hands on people around him. he was comfortable around working people. go back and read about the early years. he was running a ship building business at a time the industry was failing in this country. george had a whole different set of skills than what hal has.

    hal will never get these skills because he’s too above the fray. he doesn’t get down and get dirty in building the yankees. george did.

  92. blake May 4th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    “I have to wonder at the build from within ability when I see the Yankees top draft picks, Culver and Bichette, being unable to hit at all in low A. Sure glad they outsmarted the consensus with those guys. But, they were cheap signings.”

    Still young but those two picks aren’t looking so great…..Dante in particular ….Culver can at least play plus defense hopefully .

    The really need to take advantage of the 3 high picks this year ….

  93. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    “I can relate to that, Randy! My Doctor told me to drink fewer glasses of wine….. so I bought larger wine glasses.”

    good thinking . great minds think alike :)

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    I have to wonder at the build from within ability when I see the Yankees top draft picks, Culver and Bichette, being unable to hit at all in low A.
    ///

    Amac,

    Just saw Culver last night live for just the second time, and I really liked what I saw from him. Short stroke, level swing, he stepped into a pitch in his first at bat that he pulled over the left-field wall for a 2-run homer. Also had a nice clean line drive single over second base and was 3 for 4 on the night.

    Bichette may have widened his stance, but he doesn’t seem that well supported when he swings, at least yesterday he was lunging for pitches and also nearly fell over on a max effort swing. First time seeing Bichette live, but just from video I have more excitement over Andujar, who I will get to Staten Island to see once he’s sent there. I need to give Bichette a larger sample, but there’s no chance to see him again live.

    DePaula got pitches up in the first (it was pretty cold out) but in the second he just was rearing back and letting it fly. Also threw some beautiful curves around 76-77 mph to go with sitting around 91-92 on his fastball. Saw Jo-Ram on Wednesday and DePaula isn’t as polished, but they are both electric guys I’m super excited about. DePaula had 4 BB, to go with 7K, but the BBs reminded me of Betances when he’s sharp – they don’t go anywhere. Earlier on his curve wouldn’t break so that was part of that, then he got it going and was pitching backwards getting guys looking and swinging at it later in game, when he went to a steadier diet of offspeed pitches.

    Didn’t see C but I see where he only went six. Can’t complain about 2 ER, though. Sounds like a lack of support.

  95. Yankee Trader May 4th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Maine

    I attached a link for all stadium attendance figures, above at 8:31

    Have to go. Hopefully like the RS and O’s the Yankees will take 2 of 3 from the A’s.

  96. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    I knew a guy who got so little sleep each night that before many of our hikes he’d down 2 starbucks
    double shots just to get going.

    Even at that he sometimes said it wasn’t enough.

    You could send a rocket to Mars on that.

    amazing.

    :)

  97. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    randy

    At many of the Sea dogs games I’ve gone to it can be hard to watch the game because many of the people bring kids and the side show such as Slugger (mascot in case some of you wonder) are more what they come for than the game.

    I’ve had kids sit behind me and pay attention to anything but the game.

    I’m sure you would’ve given them some what for if they were behind you. I’m to nice for that. :D:

  98. blake May 4th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Actually the best thing for the Yankees would be if a Bryce Harper came along internationally at age 19 and the Yanks said screw the rules and signed him…..of course they’d have to be smart enough to recognize him

  99. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    JAP-

    Thanks for the scouting report.

    You’re fortunate to have gotten the opportunity to see those 2 young arms.

    With Pineda, J-Ram, Rafael, and Campos there is some serious talent out there.

    Some real power arms with huge potential.

    I hope they fare better than some of the previous ones.

    ;)

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Maine Yankee,

    You have to really need to be at a minor league game and really need to be able to focus with the dog and pony shows that go on incessantly.

    It’s like something out of ancient Rome nightly in Trenton, but you also have old-timers screaming at the Thunder players as if their lives depended on the outcome, which is always fun to be around. There’s an older woman – must be in her 70s – with a booming voice who practices toughlove on Trenton pitchers when their control abandons them. She’s a hoot.

  101. MG May 4th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    there is nothing like a shutout loss to bring out all the complaining.

    Bichette and Culver may have been bad picks but were drafted out of high school and are 20 years old, maybe they just need more time to develop. High draft picks are far from a sure thing-Chris Nelson was the 9th pick overall in 2004, how long did it take him to even get to the majors?

    As for draft picks, why doesn’t anyone talk about Robert Refsnyder? He was raking at Charleston, moved up to Tampa, and is still raking there.

  102. blake May 4th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    They need to move Depaula to Tampa…..he’s striking out 15 guys per 9 in the Sally

  103. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    This goes along with the discussion this am.

    Brian Costa @BrianCostaWSJ
    A look at the Yankees’ pro scouting operation, which has become arguably their greatest strength: http://online.wsj.com/article/.....2698103448

  104. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    “At many of the Sea dogs games I’ve gone to it can be hard to watch the game because many of the people bring kids and the side show such as Slugger (mascot in case some of you wonder) are more what they come for than the game.”

    maine yankee-

    when trenton was playing the seadogs back in early april, i took a 12 yearl old and sat way out near the yankee bullpen to show the kid what being in the bullpen was like and what seeing a 95mph fastball looked like up close.. it was 35 wind chill factor, and no one else hardly was out there.

    then Slugger came over and sat down right next to us and started hamming it up. that’s when i told the kid to hit him with the left right combination i had been teaching him on a heavy bag. i got a nice video of it. the kid got him right in the jaw . slugger tried to make light of it, but that was the last we saw of him.

    the kid’s mother was not amused when i sent her the video :)

  105. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    It doesn’t matter how good of players you draft if you don’t develop them correctly.

    I am glad that guys like Eiland and Contreras are either gone or re-assigned.

    Replaced by professionals like LR and Patterson.

    We need more like that if you wish to see the full value out of the Farm.

  106. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    “there is nothing like a shutout loss to bring out all the complaining.”

    actually there were only 250 posts last night and through till this morning. so it seems more like those who swear to rooting for good , bad , and in between disappeared.

    that’s just an alternative view of course :)

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    MTU,

    Books are not closed on Betances yet, either ;) He and Manny on the comeback trail, for different reasons. Mitchell’s the other big arm in Tampa.

    DePaula also got a big K with a full count and bases loaded in his final inning, where he struck out the side. Seems like he just can bear down whenever he needs to and blow the ball by guys. Also used his curve nicely in that inning for a looking K. He may move up pretty quickly once they think his command is a littler sharper, he’s 22 so he’s older than a lot of these guys in SALLY. In any case, I won’t see him again until he gets to Trenton.

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    blake May 4th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    They need to move Depaula to Tampa…..he’s striking out 15 guys per 9 in the Sally
    ///

    Yep, I think it’s going to happen in short order. He just dominates where he is, already. Doesn’t really pay for the BBs. They hit a couple to the WT in left on him and Yelc*ck Calderon, apparently one of those players we have with raw tools who makes you curse and rise to your feet, alternately in the same game, made a remarkable running catch in right to save his bacon once, but those hard hits were few and far between.

  109. Doreen May 4th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Randy

    George did have a different set of skills.

    I am just thinking that he gets romanticized a lot these days. He was complex, absolutely. He really can’t be characterized easily.

    Hal is a product of his upbringing and his times, as well. And he is asking in the larger than life personality department. The rules of the baseball business are changing too, though. You know me – I just tend to want to see how things play out.

  110. 86w183 May 4th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    MG — Good point on Refsnyder. Unfortunately he’s a 2B. Don’t know if he can play elsewhere.

    MTU — Adams can’t be called up til May 15 because he was technically released. Mustelier was doing re-hab on his knee and has had only 7 AB in Scranton (1-7, 2B).

    From reports I’ve read the Yanks did make offers to Cespedes, Soler and Chapman, but I have never seen a credible report on how much they offered any of them. They have bid strongly in the past with mixed results on Matsui, Igawa, Irabu, Contreras et al.

    I think Hal’s approach will make sure the Yanks never have the down periods like we suffered thru from 1982-94. There also may well not be the highs of W.S. titles, either.

    The next off-season will speak volumes about how the Yanks will operate going forward. With more than $ 100 M in salaries coming off the books the options are immeasurable.

  111. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    randy

    it was 35 wind chill factor, and no one else hardly was out there

    ——————————————————————-

    Only a true fan or someone really dumb goes when it’s that cold.

    I can’t decide which one you are. :D:

  112. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    MG,

    My topic was the new Yankee desire to save money on places like the draft. That is why Culver and Bichette were signed. Money should not have been the overriding issue.

  113. Doreen May 4th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Yankee Trader the Yankees may have to give in to the popularity of gimmickry (towels and such). People seem to need a cue of some sort. The game itself is not enough.

  114. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I could care less if Hal gets his jollies rubbing 2 nickels together every morning.

    As long as he puts a championship caliber Team on the Field.

    And shows a committment to excellence and winning.

    Jury is still out but signs are not all that promising from where I sit.

    Prove me wrong Hal.

  115. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Tehehehehe..

    @MLBMeme

    The Celtics lacked the will to come back 3-0 against New York like the Red Sox did. And by will, I mean steroids.

    Congrats Knicks fans! I can’t remember the last time I saw teams fight so hard to have the chance to lose to the Heat. ;)

  116. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    @HeathcottSlade

    I want to thank my HERO’s that are over seas and back home… Damn it you all are awesome. Thank you so much #unselflessness

    I wish Heathcott would attack a book on plural nouns. :|

  117. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    86w183,

    I don’t see Hal’s approach as a good long term one. His approach has been to ignore or underbid for high impact guys, go cheap on draftees, sign one year stopgap guys, and intend to reduce payroll next year by $50M plus next year.

    Their options are far from immeasurable. They have far too little money, far too few ready players and far too many departing players for it to work under the budget.

  118. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Yeah it will 86.

    And I am waiting.

    Like I said above. To my mind the jury is still out but the signs I see are not all that encouraging.

    I don’t think Hal is driven by passion as much as by the bottom line.

    I’d prefer the former in an owner.

    I do not think the Yankees made the kind of effort on those players that we are accustomed to or IMO we would have had them. I don’t like coming away empty.

    It’s not my money though and it’s not my Team. So we’ll see.

    ;)

  119. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Slade down to .173. Please tell me when “it’s early” ends. I hoped a good game the other day would get him started. He is 1-10 since.

  120. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “Only a true fan or someone really dumb goes when it’s that cold.”

    maine yankee-

    i’m probably a little of both with a touch of crazy thrown in :)

    i did get to see a lot of JR murphy that day. i tend to focus in on players that catch my eye rather than watch everything going on. i liked what i saw with murphy. the kid really works at his catching and he can hit.

  121. Doreen May 4th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    J Al,

    Those trenton games are a melange! You’ve got people who are the to see the game, people who go to see the future play, but you’ve also got Phillies and Red Sox fans there (Trenton used to be RS territory) and then the people with kids that just come out for an inexpensive good time.

    It’s all,good, except for the raffle tickets and no one sits still!!!’

  122. MG May 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 9:36 am
    MG,

    My topic was the new Yankee desire to save money on places like the draft. That is why Culver and Bichette were signed. Money should not have been the overriding issue.
    —————-
    mac, I don’t follow the draft but who could they have picked in those spots that would have been better?

    I just checked the Yankees picks for those years, here is the 1st 8 rounds of 2010:
    1. Cito Culver SS
    2. Angelo Gumbs CF/SS
    3. Rob Segedin 3B
    4. Mason Williams OF
    5. Thomas Kahnle RHP
    6. Gabe Encinas RHP
    7. Taylor Anderson OF
    8. Kyle Roller 1B

    Again, I don’t follow the minor leaguers much (if all) but at least two of these guys get mentioned on LoHud prety frequently as good prospects. If they had picked Gumbs or Williams in the 1st round would you be saying the same things now?

  123. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    MTU

    Jury is still out but signs are not all that promising from where I sit.

    —————————————————————-

    You need to move your chair closer. The eyes fail as you get older. :D:

  124. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Mac-

    I think heathcott might have injured himself again earlier in the season.

    I never thought he would stay healthy due to his style of play.

    Suggested we move him in a package while he still had value.

    We do not need 4 strong OF prospects. 2 or 3 would be just fine.

  125. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    “Slade down to .173. Please tell me when “it’s early” ends.”

    austinmac.

    i purposely watched heathcott when i went to that portland game. heathcott didn’t crack a smile or show any joy for the game. yeah it was one game, but it struck me that something was bothering him. it was like he was in a bad mood.

    i would be interesting to hear some others who have been to his games on what his attitude is.

  126. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Maine-

    You might very well be right.

    I’ve been wrong many times in the past.

    Might even be considered a reverse barometer.

    Aging eyesight does fail. I’m prepared to be wrong again.

    And to apologize if it turns out Hal’s vision is better. He does have youth on his side.

    ;)

  127. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Doreen
    Red Sox fans
    and then the people with kids that just come out for an inexpensive good time

    They are one and the same at Portland. :lol:

    You would be surprised at how many Yankee fans are there though.

    I think I heared one person say he came up from Conn. to see the game.

  128. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Time to walk a Mop.

    Later.

  129. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    They didn’t need to pick them in the first round. Likewise, Culver and Bichette could be obtained later. The first round should be used on high upside players. They weren’t.

    I am no amateur expert. I simply know every expert, bar none, was very surprised the team used their top picks for these guys. When they sign the day of the draft it is clear money was worked out and was a critical factor.

  130. MaineYankee May 4th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    randy

    Probably Heathcott didn’t like seeing you with a RS fan.

    Trenton is coming back first of July. I’m hoping to go then.

    I wasn’t dumb enough or fan enough to go when you did.

    Kinda hard to enjoy a game when you have to wear a snowmobile suit.

  131. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    “I want to thank my HERO’s that are over seas and back home… Damn it you all are awesome. Thank you so much #unselflessness”

    of course we should honor men and women in uniform, but i’m not big on over the top red neck rooting for simplistic ends.

    maybe i’m wrong,it crosses my mind that’s where slade is coming from. he’s getting a crash course in getting exposed to people from all around the country. hopefully it works out well for him.

  132. Bo knows May 4th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    In 2010, Castellanos was the obvious sign – at the time and now. The problem was that he was asking for the entire Yankee budget for that ’10 draft. He signed for 3.4 vs Culver .9 mil. Castellanos, a 3B playing in the OF is in AAA vs A- for Culver.

    So for an eventual saving of 2.5 mil – a wage for a below average Major Leaguer the Yankees have the present situation. True, we don’t know how things will play out, but a draft budget vs everyone else overspending does sound silly, shortsighted, if not stupid. But hey, they save money.

    Hal doing a George who once fired most of the scouting staff because “they were getting paid too much”.

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Doreen,

    Re Trenton: I have like 10 cards each already this season for complimentary cannolis and ice creams and submarine sandwiches. I give them away immediately, since I don’t just eat anyone’s cannolis or ice cream, and I don’t eat subs, either. They shove these in your hand all game long, it seems :)
    ///
    Heathcott has lacked patience at the plate at times and is overly aggressive, and he sometimes slaps at the ball when he can really drive it. He’s all-out, all the time. I think he could benefit from meditation or something :), because he’s speeding the game up when he’d make better use of his talent by slowing it down some.

    Lately though, he’s been hitting the ball to the wall and he showed off his arm the other night (in Jo-Ram start), nailing a runner at the plate.

    Whether they’re down 6-1 late in the game or ahead, he busts it.

  134. 86w183 May 4th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Houston made signability a major priority with the first pick in the draft last year and as a result was able to use the savings to grab a half dozen guys “over slot”. As a result the Astros were able to take a huge step towards rebuilding its system.

    There’s more than one way to have a good draft.

    That said, I get mad when the Yanks draft guys high who I’ve seen in college (Bleich, Weeden, Segedin) and don’t think are very good.

  135. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Heathcott can get a little slappy with his swing at times…..I think he’s still trying to figure out an approach that works for him because when I’ve seen him a lot of times he looks like he wants to work counts but ends up letting good pitches go by and then swings at junk because he’s gotten behind in the count……

    AA pitchers are generally a lot better than ones in A ball especially at pitching to a game plan for hitters so it’s an adjustment they’ll have to make.

    The jump from high A to AA is the biggest one besides the jump to the majors so it’s not that unusual for guys to take a little time …..

  136. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Castellanos OPSd .678 at AA last year and is OPSing .705 so far at AAA this year so while he’s highly regarded he’s not really performed yet in the upper levels either

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Kyle Roller looks like more than just a big swinger-token 1B man. In limited viewing, his glove looks decent enough, he has a nice approach, and he has left-handed power, and has power away, too. Doesn’t have the base clogging feet, either.

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Tony Franklin recently said that Heathcott has to stop “trying to get 10 hits in one AB.”

    That paints a pretty accurate picture, I would say. :)

  139. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    The Yankees went cheap before there were spending limits. It was purely a decision to limit draft spending. That was stupid then and now.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    I agree that Heathcott is still adjusting to AA.

    Guys like Flores make a smoother transition. More mature hitter.

  141. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    JAP,

    Yea I expect Austin to adjust quickly….he’s walking a lot just hasn’t starting hitting yet. Pitchers in AA can control bat speed and hit spots with off speed a lot better than A ball guys can so hitters have to refine their approaches to succeed……you can’t feast on fastballs down the middle in AA usually

  142. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    I’m trying not get get too excited about J Ram and Depaula but it’s hard…..J Ram doesn’t look all that far away to me if his slider is progressing

  143. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I just looked at the last seven first picks of the team. There is not one player we can reasonably rely on to ever pitch one inning or have one at bat in the majors. That is defensible?

  144. 86w183 May 4th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    The Yankees went cheap before there were spending limits. It was purely a decision to limit draft spending. That was stupid then and now.

    ***********************************************************************

    You can’t prove that. They offered Gerrit Cole more than DOUBLE slot and he still went to school. Was that cheap? They went over slot for several guys last year because they had extra money from spending less on the top guy.

    You can disagree with the approach, but every accusation that the Yankees are “cheap” is simply untrue. You just think they should give every draft pick and every international free agent whatever they want.

    That works great for fans, but doesn’t make much business sense.

  145. Bo knows May 4th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Castellanos OPSd .678 at AA last year and is OPSing .705 so far at AAA this year so while he’s highly regarded he’s not really performed yet in the upper levels either.
    ——
    Agreed, but I would suggest that they’re rushing him. At 21 he should probably be a level down. Don’t really know as I haven’t followed him that closely. At the time of the draft, I made a note to see how he did three years later.

    I was just totally bent out of shape about the Yankees going on a draft budget. Especially when they have one of the best scouting staffs in the business as witness the success of later rounds.

  146. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    blake,

    That’s true, even yesterday in A ball, the starter, Josh somebody for Lakewood, threw 41 or so pitches in the first and got chased off the mound. To their credit, the kids took their walks and hit pitches up, but the replacement guy got things under control with some command offspeed to get guys out in front and stopped the bleeding.

    Yes, I think Austin’s a little off, but he’ll make contact on offspeed anyway because he’s smart, stays back, to stay alive a little longer when he’s behind, and can fight off pitches & work BBs where other guys go down. He does have good ABs & will get his timing down eventually.

  147. tucker May 4th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    I don’t mind that the Yanks have cut back on free agent spending.

    However, cutting spending on the draft and international free agents (Cespedes, etc.) IMO, is unforgivable and just dumb.

  148. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    86w183,

    No, I have no proof other than my own two eyes and my brain. After Cole, they went with sure signings. It is as obvious as can be. Use your good brain and you will agree.

  149. Bo knows May 4th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    That works great for fans, but doesn’t make much business sense.
    —–
    Those would be good points except Cole was pre Heathcott, who was compensation for Cole. The budget came into being in 2010. Or the first we heard of it.

    Last year was under the new rules or budget limits for all teams, with severe penalties, so it doesn’t apply either.

  150. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Tucker,

    I agree.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Yep, Jo-Ram’s slider’s what still needs to go to school, the rest of him is ready :). He ripped off some beauties other night and then also got no takers on others he bounced or just missed big on. Needs to work out that pitch here & stay healthy. He’s pitching Monday night.

    Already “scouts” are talking DePaula in bullpen, and that has been a viewpoint within the Yankee organization on Jo-Ram (because Patrick Teale has said it and he is “inside”). Hope the Yankee interiors have adjusted their expectations on that since. smh

  152. austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    86,

    I don’t expect them to sign all the international top players. One would have been nice. Instead, they go with Adonis Garcia. He was very cheap. I wonder why.

  153. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Speaking of good AA pitchers, I see where Barnes had a strong outing in his start since facing the Thunder. Even in that game, where he got hit, you can see how good he is. I’m now a closet Barnes fan, unfortunately :)

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    A relatively young pitcher with a promising slider is on the mound this afternoon for the Yankees.

    Go PJ!

  155. pkyankfan69 May 4th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    I wish my name was Adonis ;0)

  156. 86w183 May 4th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    According to SB Nation the Yankees signed four of the top 20 International FA last year.

    They didn’t sign any of the top ten guys and time will tell if the approach pays off or not. No other franchise signed more than two of the top 20.

  157. MG May 4th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    I posted this an hour ago with links but it is ‘awaiting moderation’. Here it is without the links:

    austinmac May 4th, 2013 at 9:58 am
    They didn’t need to pick them in the first round. Likewise, Culver and Bichette could be obtained later. The first round should be used on high upside players. They weren’t.

    I am no amateur expert. I simply know every expert, bar none, was very surprised the team used their top picks for these guys. When they sign the day of the draft it is clear money was worked out and was a critical factor.
    ————-
    I respect your opinion and am not picking a fight but Culver wasn’t signed on the day of the draft. He was signed what looks like 9 days later and wasn’t the 1st one signed from the first round (the Rangers signed a catcher). Another 1st rounders signed a few days later in that draft-was Chris Sale, he turned out to be a pretty good pitcher and signing for the White Sox.

    Bichette may have been their 1st pick but he was #51 overall and also didn’t sign on the 1st day, it was about a week later as well.

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