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Ten men out

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 03, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter

When spring training opened, the Yankees already knew they’d open the season with Cesar Cabral, Michael Pineda and Alex Rodriguez on the disabled list.

Then Curtis Granderson broke his forearm in his first spring at-bat. Mark Teixeira left for the World Baseball Classic and came back with a torn tendon sheath. Derek Jeter‘s slim hope of breaking camp evaporated with a  slow-to-diagnose setback.

Then Kevin Youkilis had some back problems that wouldn’t quite go away, and in the same game when Francisco Cervelli was hit in the hand by a foul tip, Ivan Nova experienced some soreness in his right triceps.

Then Joba Chamberlain felt something while warming up in the bullpen, showed up the next day complaining of pain in his abdomen, and was ultimately added to the disabled list with a strained oblique.

That’s 10 Yankees on the disabled list, one for every 2.7 games they’ve played this season.

“We’re going to keep plugging along,” Brian Cashman said. “This is a tough spot for Joba to have to take a time out for the next 14 days, but it’s going to give somebody else an opportunity and somebody else a chance to find a way to help us win games. Somebody’s bad news is somebody else’s good news. Whoever draws that straw, hopefully he can come in here and continue the good times.”

The Yankees have won despite these injuries, and although Granderson and Teixeira are getting closer, neither one is ready to come back just yet. That means a few more games with an injury-depleted roster. Today the Yankees will have two more new guys in the clubhouse. Chris Nelson will be there — essentially a replacement for Youkilis — and there will be a new pitcher — looks like it’s Preston Claiborne – to take Chamberlain’s spot in the bullpen.

Don’t look now, but it’s May 3.

It’s been exactly one year since Mariano Rivera tore his ACL along the warning track in Kansas City.

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126 Responses to “Ten men out”

  1. MTU May 3rd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    The Yankees should spring for their own MASH unit.

    :)

  2. Against All Odds May 3rd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 8:56 am
    Lol, the blog is overly optimistic about Pineda… last time we did this we injured Musty (after we injured Adams!), so how about everyone simmers down?

    ———————-

    I think some of the optimism with Pineda comes from certain posters what but push back the fans that were against the trade.

  3. jmills May 3rd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Got tripped up on the other thread,….again; anyways I was all useless comparing Pineda to Dustin McGowan while going on about people never being quite right.

  4. CountryClub May 3rd, 2013 at 9:21 am

    A lot of us are taking a wait and see approach on Pineda. But the fact is that many of the players that get labrum surgery never regain their velocity. So if he’s truly hitting 95 already, there’s no way that’s not positive news.

    Still a long way to go before he helps the team this yr (if at all). But good news is good news.

  5. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 9:21 am

    “I want Pineda to be the baby ace we were promised… but there is nothing that’s going to happen this season that’s going to tell us if he will be, IMO.”

    stop taking our toys away mom!

  6. jmills May 3rd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    I liked M*A*S*H, the early years.Taxi took over later.

  7. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 9:23 am

    “A lot of us are taking a wait and see approach on Pineda. But the fact is that many of the players that get labrum surgery never regain their velocity. So if he’s truly hitting 95 already, there’s no way that’s not positive news.”

    I agree….it’s very positive…..it doesn’t mean anything really until he’s back in the big leagues and getting hitters out….but it’s certainly better than the “well he’s building arm strength” spin you here when guys aren’t popping the mitt.

    With shoulder injuries getting velocity back is usually a bigger issue than with elbows…..so if he’s already touching 95 then that makes me very happy……not counting on him for this year…..merely hoping.

  8. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    AAO – Probably. But after watching Hughes for half a decade and only just now seeing the fruits of all that effort, I’m not expecting a game-changer in Pineda. If he is, great, if not, I wasn’t disappointed.

  9. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 9:29 am

    blake May 3rd, 2013 at 9:21 am

    “I want Pineda to be the baby ace we were promised… but there is nothing that’s going to happen this season that’s going to tell us if he will be, IMO.”

    stop taking our toys away mom!

    ————–

    Lol, I know, I don’t wanna be a Debbie downer on Pineda but I’m sorta surprised there’s so much of a ‘this is going to be a huge power shift for us!’ attitude. With pitchers, consistency is what you want. If the kid can throw hard, great. So can Joba lol. There’s a lot more to being a successful starter than that and it’s going to be a long road for him to return to form. He’s only got one year of MLB starting work under his belt. He’s missed an entire year+.

  10. CountryClub May 3rd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    But after watching Hughes for half a decade and only just now seeing the fruits of all that effort, I’m not expecting a game-changer in Pineda. If he is, great, if not, I wasn’t disappointed.

    ——-

    Smart way to look at it.

  11. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    anybody seen Iron man 3 yet?

  12. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    “Lol, I know, I don’t wanna be a Debbie downer on Pineda but I’m sorta surprised there’s so much of a ‘this is going to be a huge power shift for us!’ attitude.”

    eh I’m not really there…..I think a big bat would have a bigger impact to be honest….but if he could come back throwing lasers in August or whenever then it would seriously deepen the rotation and more importantly maybe make things a big easier to plan for next year.

  13. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    I’d like to see this lineup in September:

    Jeter SS
    Headley 3B
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Hafner/Youk DH
    Wells RF
    Granderson LF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF.

  14. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    What if one of our baby phenoms comes through?
    Not only will we have a crowded roster , we will have more decisions on who stays or goes.
    More than just who goes for Tex, Jete, Arod and Grandy.
    Add Joba, Youkilis,Nova maybe DRob to that list.
    We could destroy the chemistry of this team.

    Waiting in the wings:
    Musty, Adams, Montgomery, Pineda, Wang…

    Who says we don’t have a future?

  15. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I broke Randy’s law! I shall ban myself now….good day

  16. MTU May 3rd, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Having a “Missouri” attitude towrds Pineda is very wise.

    It’s the longterm you have to consider with these types of injuries. That’s what’s most suspect.

    The mechanics that caused it in the first place haven’t changed.

    The 95 is positive. No question. And I certainly am pulling for Michael to beat the odds.

    Just pays to be patient before juding the overall success of these things.

    Hike day today.

    Later.

  17. CountryClub May 3rd, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Hughes is an odd case. He’s probably 2 years behind what his normal learning curve would have been. First, he was called up too early because of injuries on the big club. Then he pops his hammy and you basically have a lost yr. Then he has to get moved to the pen (obv helped the team) and finally he’s lost a ton of pitching time due to injuries.

    I truly believe he’s just starting to learn how to pitch (and not just throw). It would have been great if it happened when he was 24. But I’ll take it at 26. If the Yanks dont resign him I will understand (especially if he gets a 5/70mil type deal). But I think he’s going to be a good pitcher for the next 5 years.

  18. jmills May 3rd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    ” Iron Man ” ? Back in the eighties, I bought the solo album by Pete Townsend. The Who were just in Hamilton, and Pete ripped into a father with his young daughter; way to go, Pete. Apparently he is flying back to take them both out to dinner. Some never learn.

  19. CountryClub May 3rd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Jeter SS
    Headley 3B
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Hafner/Youk DH
    Wells RF
    Granderson LF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF.

    ————–

    That would work

  20. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 9:40 am

    eh I’m not really there…..I think a big bat would have a bigger impact to be honest….but if he could come back throwing lasers in August or whenever then it would seriously deepen the rotation and more importantly maybe make things a big easier to plan for next year.

    —————–

    I don’t wanna be ‘that guy’ but a strong Pineda in August would mean a killer pen for the playoffs lmao!!

    Ideally, you’d have Phelps, Pineda, Joba, Robertson and Mo out there with CC, Andy, Kuroda and Phil as your starters!

  21. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    @HeathcottSlade

    #attacktheday… Im going to attack this gym for our soldiers… Thank you so much for our armed service members

    Heathcott attacks everything for our soldiers lol..

  22. longtimefan May 3rd, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Claiborne, of the 3 mentioned possible call ups has the highest era over 10 games, Demel has been lights out. I know the spin, more upper level experience, once again yanks are timid when it comes to youthful players

  23. Nick in SF May 3rd, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Too late: Pineda hopefulness has already leaked onto the twitter and will soon be on the internet as well. :neutral:

  24. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    It’s gone viral.

    I hope this turns out better than those Harlem Shake videos..

  25. Carly May 3rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    anybody seen Iron man 3 yet?

    Saw it in IMAX 3D at 9:00 last night! Really liked it :)

  26. CountryClub May 3rd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    The first baseball game Michael Claiborne ever took his son to see was the Yankees and Rangers.

    Preston Claiborne still remembers the lesson.

    “He told me to watch what the Yankees did,” he said. “He told me to go about my business like they did, with class and respect.”

    http://www.dallasnews.com/spor.....im-940.ece

  27. Tackelberry May 3rd, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Never liked M.A.S.H. Just didn’t get the humor. Liked Taxi. Favorite old sitcom: The Odd Couple, later Seinfeld

  28. Tackelberry May 3rd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    The first baseball game Michael Claiborne ever took his son to see was the Yankees and Rangers.

    Preston Claiborne still remembers the lesson.

    “He told me to watch what the Yankees did,” he said. “He told me to go about my business like they did, with class and respect.”

    Ever see the movie Doris Claiborne?

  29. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Ever see the movie Doris Claiborne?

    ————-

    Does he shop at Liz Claiborne..?

  30. DONNYBROOK May 3rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    When you got guys tweaking this, (Robertson), and pulling that, (Chamberlain), barely a month into the season, it’s time to look at Exactly what regime these “athletes” are following. Whether it’s the exercises\stretching, or the weight work they are doing, IT AIN’T WORKING. If it’s me, I look at the weight lifting these players are involved in. The weight work done now-a-days, Far exceeds what used to be common practice, and the muscle injuries, (oblique), have absolutely sky-rocketed.

  31. CountryClub May 3rd, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Robertson got hurt because he caught his spike on the mound when he was trying to cover first base. Joba is another story….

  32. itsgonnabealongseason May 3rd, 2013 at 10:33 am

    As usual the Yanks call up the guy with the least upside. if Montgomery has the potential, it will show. Give him the chance, not the guy who’s safe but stinks.

  33. 4TrainNorth May 3rd, 2013 at 10:35 am

    I agree the weights are out of control. These guys need to drop the dumbells and start a regimen based exclusively on the Ichiro Squat.

  34. 86w183 May 3rd, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Claiborne, of the 3 mentioned possible call ups has the highest era over 10 games, Demel has been lights out. I know the spin, more upper level experience, once again yanks are timid when it comes to youthful players

    *************************************************************************

    I don’t buy that at all. Demel Has had higher ERA than Claiborne each the last two years. The Yanks are just not overreacting to Demel’s seven good outings this season.

    Does it really matter? Whoever gets called up isn’t pitching in a competitive game unless its the 15th inning.

  35. CountryClub May 3rd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    At the start of play today, the yanks have the 2nd best record in MLB. Funny.

  36. austinmac May 3rd, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Blake,

    Deny you have had your coffee and you get a pass.

    Have you noticed, none of our top four prospects are playing well? We need otherwise.

    I don’t think we have Headley trade material.

  37. Russell Munson May 3rd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “Claiborne, of the 3 mentioned possible call ups has the highest era over 10 games, Demel has been lights out. I know the spin, more upper level experience, once again yanks are timid when it comes to youthful players”

    I imagine stuff is more important than ERA after 10 games and I’m pretty sure Claiborne beats Demel there.

  38. Carly May 3rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    I look at Claiborne as a piece to the pen in the future, just like Montgomery, and hopefully Kahnle and Pinder (wish Goody speed in his recovery from TJS).

  39. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “I don’t think we have Headley trade material”

    eh it depends who else gets involved and what the Padres want…..I wouldn’t worry too much about early play from the prospects…..Sanchez and Mason were doing very well then have slumped a little and Austin and Heathcott are still adjusting to the new level…..it’s so early that a hot week could drastically change the numbers.

  40. 86w183 May 3rd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I don’t think Headley is going anywhere. If he was moved, the Yanks’ best if not only chance of putting on a package that could pull that off would have to include Hughes.

    Can’t see a major move coming until they start playing lousy or all hands are back on deck. With a 17-10 record there’s just no urgency to make a major move.

  41. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    There is a better chance we get Brian McCann than Chase Headley.

  42. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    If Headley won’t talk about a contract now then I think they trade him at the dealine. I also doubt the Braves will trade McCann as they are a legit WS contender…..

  43. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    These next 9 games will be telling as these 3 teams are young and hungry.

  44. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    If Headley won’t talk about a contract now then I think they trade him at the dealine. I also doubt the Braves will trade McCann as they are a legit WS contender…..
    ___

    We have no room for Headley on a team with Tex, A-Rod, Youkilis, etc…

    Braves haven’t had McCann all year, and they may feel they don’t need him.

  45. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    “We have no room for Headley on a team with Tex, A-Rod, Youkilis, etc…”

    the 1st baseman and the 2 hurt guys? Wouldn’t stop me from getting a much younger and better player if possible…..

    Also….the Braves do need McCann as Gattis has fallen back to earth a bit and is probably not an every day catcher anyways…..I just can’t see them trading him

  46. austinmac May 3rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I wish Heathcott would attack the baseball and get his average over .180.

    Yes, it is early for our prospects, but wouldn’t it be nice if they were playing well? None have lived up to their rankings thus far. They are neither making themselves trade bait or putting themselves on any fast track.

    Further, with AROD still under contract for another five hundred years, I doubt they will acquire an expensive long term third baseman. They are already spending $40M this year on the position.

  47. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    forget the 1st 6 games v bost and det.
    we just played 21 against cleve tor (7) az tb bal and hous
    their combined win % is what…, <500 i assume
    we went 16-6….hope this isn't a mirage…those 1st 2 teams can hit.

  48. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:05 am

    “We have no room for Headley on a team with Tex, A-Rod, Youkilis, etc…”
    the 1st baseman and the 2 hurt guys? Wouldn’t stop me from getting a much younger and better player if possible…..
    ___

    Blake, what do you do with all of them when those guys return?
    There is just no space on the roster for all those players.

  49. Tabbert May 3rd, 2013 at 11:05 am

    I feel like half of the people on lohud don’t want Pineda to succeed, so they can say they were right about the trade. I don’t get all the negativity. His surgeon, team doctors, and the organization have given the kid a clean bill of health. Everyone was worried about velocity, kid is already throwing 95. Cashman has even indicated that Michael could be on a MLB mound by JUNE. Are there any guarantees that he will be a ace or even a top of the rotation guy? No. But, the potential is surely there. One thing is for certain, and that’s that this “Unknown” has already had more success in the bigs than montero. Pineda hasn’t proved anything, you say? What exactly has montero proven? Career WAR of 0, 96wRC+. I know, I know, It’s Safeco’s fault.

    Exercising caution is one thing, but a lot of people seem to just jump to the conclusion that it is impossible for Pineda to return from this injury and be the guy we traded for.

  50. austinmac May 3rd, 2013 at 11:06 am

    We need Robertson to be healthy. This team will need to continue winning close games. Who pitches the 7th and 8th seems like an unknown at the moment.

  51. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    “Blake, what do you do with all of them when those guys return?”

    who cares…..1) I’m not sure Alex will even be back this year or that they won’t try to move him somehow 2) Youk can DH vs LHP.

    I’m not going to not improve the team if I can because of 2 old and hurt guys…..

  52. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Spring Training icon Ronnier Mustelier went 0-for-3 with a walk and run scored in his 1st game last night at AAA. #musty
    ___

    One step closer to the team!

  53. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:10 am

    “I wish Heathcott would attack the baseball and get his average over .180.”

    me too…..He was doing ok before the neck thing and had a good game the day before yesterday so maybe he will get on track. Austin is walking a lot he just hasn’t started hitting yet…..I think he will soon.

  54. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:10 am

    I’m not going to not improve the team if I can because of 2 old and hurt guys…..
    __

    YOU wouldn’t.
    I wouldn’t.
    We are not Cashman.
    They won’t move Alex!

    Truthfully I still believe Headley is really being overhyped.

  55. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:12 am

    We need Robertson to be healthy. This team will need to continue winning close games. Who pitches the 7th and 8th seems like an unknown at the moment.
    ___

    Robertson said he believes he will be able to play tonight.
    With CC, we may not need a 7th or 8th inning man.
    He tends to go deep in games.
    8 from CC – 1 from Mo.

  56. Niblick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Musty went 0 for 3? Oh no. In Cashman’s eyes, he’s now fallen to the bottom of the organization’s depth chart.

  57. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:12 am

    I feel like half of the people on lohud don’t want Pineda to succeed,
    ================================
    it only feels that way….there’s only 3-4 of them….they just try to intimidate and agitate.

  58. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Musty went 0 for 3? Oh no. In Cashman’s eyes, he’s now fallen to the bottom of the organization’s depth chart.
    ___

    You joke but sadly a few of those 0-3 and Cashman will have everything he needs to tell us why Musty shouldnt be at the big show.

  59. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:14 am

    the more we win, the more they stay away….makes them look bad.

  60. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:15 am

    cash might no other choice than to bring musty up…i tell you the baseball gods are taking charge.

  61. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:18 am

    cash might no other choice than to bring musty up…i tell you the baseball gods are taking charge.
    _______

    I hope so. I think back to 2005 when they only brought Cano and Wang up out of necessity and look what happened. Why must it take 10 guys to the DL to get our rookies a chance?

  62. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Why must it take 10 guys to the DL to get our rookies a chance?
    =========================================
    why rush them?

  63. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    why rush them?
    _______________

    Sarcasm?

  64. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    nope

  65. Niblick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Can anyone explain why Scranton has guys like Dan Johnson, Gil Velazquez, and Bobby Wilson on their roster? They’re all old (33, 33 and 30 respectively), playing poorly and simply clogging up the system and preventing younger guys from advancing and getting the experience they need. What is it with the Yankees fetish with stocking their AAA team with old has-beens or never-will-bes? And don’t say they are there in reserve for the big team. None of them is worth anything and none of them could possibly contribute to the Yankees.

  66. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:22 am

    if we are in the middle of a transition period, why not let them get ready until we need them?
    we have too many established players to move if we are to bring up youngsters.
    most of the time it is out of necessity…

  67. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    What is it with the Yankees fetish with stocking their AAA team with old has-beens or never-will-bes?
    =====================
    b/c sanchez and jr murphy are not ready for AAA. yet…

  68. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    No? There is a difference between rushing and not giving them an opportunity.
    Despite how well Wells, Overbay and co have done, I think we all know there were in house options that could have come in. I mean, how much worse could Melky Mesa have been than Ben Francisco, Boesch, etc….

    They released David Adams to get Francisco on the 40.
    And NOW, they need Adams and because of crappy moved like that, we are scrambling.

  69. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    “Truthfully I still believe Headley is really being overhyped.”

    he’s not the guy from the 2nd half of last year…..but the guy he’s always been is pretty good and if he’s somewhere between that and last year then he’d be the 2nd best player on the Yankees

  70. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    if we are in the middle of a transition period, why not let them get ready until we need them?
    we have too many established players to move if we are to bring up youngsters.
    most of time it is out of necessity…
    __

    Now yes. My point was we didnt need to overload on the extras when we have guys that can play, if given the chance.

    I mean, we’d probably still have Austin Jackson in AAA if we never traded him.

  71. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “I feel like half of the people on lohud don’t want Pineda to succeed,”

    nah….I think everyone wants whats best for the Yankees and obviously him being good helps the team.

  72. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I think we all know there were in house options that could have come in. I mean, how much worse could Melky Mesa have been than Ben Francisco, Boesch, etc….
    ===================
    c’mon….these are 2 different things.
    wells and overbay vs francisco and boesch? bad comparison.
    fans would be railing about mesa, almonte by now…
    they knew no team would take adams.

  73. Carly May 3rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I feel like half of the people on lohud don’t want Pineda to succeed,
    ================================
    it only feels that way….there’s only 3-4 of them….they just try to intimidate and agitate.

    If true, that is just terrible

  74. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    “Truthfully I still believe Headley is really being overhyped.”

    he’s not the guy from the 2nd half of last year…..but the guy he’s always been is pretty good and if he’s somewhere between that and last year then he’d be the 2nd best player on the Yankees

    —————–

    He’s gonna come more cheaply since he’ll be going to FA… what if we try to get him but without any intention of extending him? It might sound like a crappy deal to move players to get someone for half a year, but it really depends on who you need to give up.

  75. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:29 am

    “What is it with the Yankees fetish with stocking their AAA team with old has-beens or never-will-bes?”

    to a great degree that’s what AAA is…..in many organizations the best prospects are at AA and only stay at AAA for a hot second before they are in the big leagues. AAA has always been a league that has a lot of almost big leaguers…..guys that organizations keep for depth etc….it’s not as much a development league as AA and below are…….teams often use it as a tuning up stage for the guys that are close to ready.

  76. Mike in Harrisburg May 3rd, 2013 at 11:29 am

    I think that might be different if Montero was carving it up in Seattle. But with him playing mundane baseball there’s less to complain about.

  77. Rich in NJ May 3rd, 2013 at 11:30 am

    “nah….I think everyone wants whats best for the Yankees and obviously him being good helps the team.”

    Yup, and btw, if like me, you want him traded for a big hitter eventually, like Stanton, you really, really, really want him to succeed.

  78. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I mean, we’d probably still have Austin Jackson in AAA if we never traded him.
    =========================
    would rather have had Grandy.
    ajax is overrated. wouldn’t have been appreciated here, K’s too much.

  79. Ys Guy May 3rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    ben francisco has 35 PA’s.
    do you think it would help melky mesa’s development to get 35 ab’s a month?

  80. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    melky mesa will never play here.

  81. ac1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:32 am

    do you think it would help melky mesa’s development to get 35 ab’s a month?
    __

    Do you think Melky Mesa will ever be a starter on this team?
    2014: Heathcott/Wells/Ichiro/Gardner
    2015: Heathcott/Austin/Flores or Williams? – probably two of those and a vet.

    No way Mesa overtakes any of them.
    So yes i think it would help to have him here now.

  82. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:32 am

    “He’s gonna come more cheaply since he’ll be going to FA… what if we try to get him but without any intention of extending him? It might sound like a crappy deal to move players to get someone for half a year, but it really depends on who you need to give up.”

    yup….although if he’d sign a friendly extension I’d consider it given that they have nothing really on tap for 3B…..

  83. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 2m
    #yankees were encouraged by pineda throwing 93-95 yesterday. SP has been very good, but his emergence would be plus.

  84. Rich in NJ May 3rd, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Austin Jackson is hardly overrated. Grandy might be though.

  85. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:34 am

    No way Mesa overtakes any of them.
    So yes i think it would help to have him here now.
    ======================
    Then why would you want him here?

  86. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Mike in Harrisburg May 3rd, 2013 at 11:29 am

    I think that might be different if Montero was carving it up in Seattle. But with him playing mundane baseball there’s less to complain about.

    ———————–

    Yeah you’re probably right.. not sure there would be as much of a focus and optimism regarding Pineda if Montero were lighting it up. Which is kinda weird…

  87. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 1m
    #yankees pleased by david adams (.317 at triple-a) but must wait ’til may 15 for callup due to timing of earlier release.

    good thing we kept Ben Francisco!

  88. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    “ajax is overrated. wouldn’t have been appreciated here, K’s too much.”

    he K’d like 60 less times than Granderson last year.

  89. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    yup….although if he’d sign a friendly extension I’d consider it given that they have nothing really on tap for 3B…..

    ————–

    Oh for sure, if you can extend him and the FO is willing, of course I’d be on board. Just to know we have someone (anyone!) to play 3B for the remainder of the Arod deal lol. I’m just saying they could approach it another way if they think it can save them prospects. Not sure it would be the best offer in that case, however.

  90. Rich in NJ May 3rd, 2013 at 11:37 am

    “good thing we kept Ben Francisco!”

    Or Eppley, right?

  91. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:39 am

    he K’d like 60 less times than Granderson last year.
    ======================
    has he hit 40 hrs in his career>grandy did last year

  92. Rich in NJ May 3rd, 2013 at 11:39 am

    And Grandy makes $13m; Ajack makes $3.5m.

  93. Ys Guy May 3rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “he K’d like 60 less times than Granderson last year.”
    —————————————————-
    and homered 20 less times.

  94. Rich in NJ May 3rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “has he hit 40 hrs in his career>grandy did last year”

    Who cares?

    OPS+
    AJack: 129
    Grandy: 113

  95. Rich in NJ May 3rd, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Sorry, 117.

  96. Carly May 3rd, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Pineda/Montero, Grandy/AJax, old debates

    esssh, we need a game on soon and fast :)

  97. Carly May 3rd, 2013 at 11:42 am

    If you are a NBA fan, great slate of games tonight

  98. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:42 am

    oh now we don’t care about hrs?
    they do tend to bring rbi’s.

  99. Rich in NJ May 3rd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “oh now we don’t care about hrs?
    they do tend to bring rbi’s.”

    They’re great if accompanied by contact skills that produce AVG.

  100. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    granderson works at Yankee Stadium and hits 40 per, that’s what he’s paid to do.
    ajax is a punch and judy hitter who shouldn’t be striking out.

  101. yankfan1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Flores has a better chance than Heathcott to get to the majors. Austin probably has the best bat out of all of the 4 outfielders. Gary Sanchez is their best prospect period.

  102. jacksquat May 3rd, 2013 at 11:46 am

    longtimefan May 3rd, 2013 at 9:56 am
    Claiborne, of the 3 mentioned possible call ups has the highest era over 10 games, Demel has been lights out. I know the spin, more upper level experience, once again yanks are timid when it comes to youthful players

    Demel has a poor performance history in the majors the past 3 years.

    http://www.baseball-reference......sa01.shtml

    Plus Claiborne is two years younger than he is so I don’t get the youth complaint.

  103. Rich in NJ May 3rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    granderson works at Yankee Stadium and hits 40 per, that’s what he’s paid to do.
    ajax is a punch and judy hitter who shouldn’t be striking out.
    _

    AJack’s 2012 SLG was .479.

    Grandy’s was .492

    I guess they’re both punch and judy hitters.

  104. Carly May 3rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Gary Sanchez is their best prospect period.

    Position prospect I agree. I want to see how some of the pitchers hold up durability wise. Such as, can Jose Ramirez hold up over a full season? Can DePaula as well? Add Jose Campos and Gabe Encinas to that conversation in another month or two.

  105. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:50 am

    ajax hits triples in a cavern, wouldn’t happen here.

  106. jacksquat May 3rd, 2013 at 11:50 am

    blake May 3rd, 2013 at 9:33 am
    I’d like to see this lineup in September:

    Jeter SS
    Headley 3B
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Hafner/Youk DH
    Wells RF
    Granderson LF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF.

    You might get that, but with Arod instead of Headley. And Girardi will probably put Granderson in CF…

  107. mick May 3rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    grandy once hit a lot of triples in Det. too..

  108. yankfan1 May 3rd, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Carly

    I love Ramirez. But lets say the guys you said have great years I still stand by my statement. The fact that he can hit and is pretty descent behind the plate is very encouraging. He could be Posada like. Long way to go obviously, but it could happen. Ramirez can end up being an ace, who knows? Only time will tell

  109. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    “and homered 20 less times.”

    and hit 70 pts higher….got on base 60 pts better….played better defense and is 6 or 7 years younger and millions cheaper.

  110. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    The Grandy trade much like the Pineda trade was fair at the time value wise…..the problem I had with both was the thought process behind them.

    The Grandy trade was made because they didn’t want to pay Matt Holliday and the Montero trade was made because they didn’t want to pay Yu Darvish.

    They can’t buy everybody of course…..but with their resources they should always try to buy what they need rather than trading their prospects for it.

  111. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    consider if they had just signed Holliday….then they’d have both he and Jackson and Jackson would be offsetting Holliday’s salary…..if they had signed Darvish then they’d have both he and Montero and maybe Montero would develop into somebody that can prevent them from having to pay somebody else…….

  112. Carly May 3rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Carly

    I love Ramirez. But lets say the guys you said have great years I still stand by my statement. The fact that he can hit and is pretty descent behind the plate is very encouraging. He could be Posada like. Long way to go obviously, but it could happen. Ramirez can end up being an ace, who knows? Only time will tell

    That’s very true about Sanchez, you are right, he would be #1 regardless given that he plays a premium position with high offense upside. I would just like to see where these arms go. In the offseason, it was 1-4 top prospects were offense, and the pitching was from 5 on, I think we could see a reversal here by year’s end with some high upside arms, with three of them being in Charleston and one in AA.

  113. Carly May 3rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    And when I say high upside, I mean getting results plus exhibiting the stuff

  114. Carly May 3rd, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Plus Claiborne is two years younger than he is so I don’t get the youth complaint.

    I agree. I do not think anyone should be complaining about Claiborne being some nonprospect and not part of the bullpen future. That just does not make sense. He is there with Montgomery, Kahnle, Pinder, Goody (before he got hurt) to be part of the future pieces of the pen to help keep down costs.

  115. Jesus Bustero May 3rd, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    I see Pineda has gone from “dead guy” to “bullpen candidate”. Well that’s progress. Walk it back fellas, walk it back. What this guy did in Seattle as a rookie (he was an All Star) is not out of reach at all. Foxtrot posted his 2011 numbers through June. Pat M. commented on this interpretation via eye test. A healthy Pineda is immensely exciting. If we put our minds to it we can get fans on some random Mariners blog crying every day about Pineda when the rest of their fans, being held hostage, want to move on and talk baseball. The greatest bonus about Pineda performing for us like he did as an All Star is that we could move on from the know-it-alls and talk baseball. But everyone, right or wrong, should be excited if he returns and looks like he did in the first half of 2011.

  116. igotid88 May 3rd, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    I don’t think Sanchez will be with the Yankees in the future. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  117. Jesus Bustero May 3rd, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    MTU,

    I’m not satisfied with that link. When I saw Mulder listed, I closed it. I asked if any players with Pineda’s specific injury never returned. Mulder had rotator cough damage in his injury so I don’t like the comparison. Also the size of the tear is something we will never know and can never measure. They’re not going to show us images (and if they did, how could we interpret them without medical training?) The fact is, Pineda’s injury has always been described as a small tear with no rotator cuff damage. The reason why anyone should be surprised he’s throwing 95 and not dead and with arm still in tact is because there was so much hype about how his career was over. I don’t see the precedents on paper to warrant that hype. And I agree, he could be like Anibal Sanchez and fully recover. But what if his tear is even smaller?

  118. Jesus Bustero May 3rd, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    rotator cuff. This is what happens when you catch up on school work and sleep in.

  119. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    The funny thing about this whole thing is that the people shouting down Montero supporters for their hyperbole (like Bret) are now doing the same with Pineda. I think we’re about 24 hours away from the generational talent label.

    Or have we already gotten there now that he touched 95 in rehab? :twisted:

    I sure hope so, this team could use a baby ace pretty badly.

  120. blake May 3rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    “The reason why anyone should be surprised he’s throwing 95 and not dead and with arm still in tact is because there was so much hype about how his career was over.”

    it was just the uncertainty…..we still don’t know. TJSs have a long history and very good success rate…..shoulder surgeries are less predictable. I am very encouraged that his velocity is already coming back and that’s a great sign…..but we still aren’t out of the woods on this thing.

  121. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Let’s shift gears and talk about the talent playing at A Concert for Boston vs. the talent that played at 12.12.12 for Sandy victims…. poor, poor Boston. I’d revolt if I got stuck with Dane Cook, even if we got dealt Kanye West in a skirt.

  122. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    blake May 3rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    “The reason why anyone should be surprised he’s throwing 95 and not dead and with arm still in tact is because there was so much hype about how his career was over.”

    it was just the uncertainty…..we still don’t know. TJSs have a long history and very good success rate…..shoulder surgeries are less predictable. I am very encouraged that his velocity is already coming back and that’s a great sign…..but we still aren’t out of the woods on this thing.

    ——————-

    It’s about the long game. Once returned, his that shoulder going to be able to handle 95+ fastballs 30% of the time? I dunno, there’s just not enough data to even predict and outcome.

  123. Shame Spencer May 3rd, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    is that shoulder*

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 3rd, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    I really hope that someone in MLB pays attention to this (we know Bud won’t) because I’d hate to see Laptops continue to get away with this. Even more interesting now is the fact that he pours water over his head before hitting the mound each inning.

    Yanks are doing it with 10 men down and a host of older vets. The Beantown beer and chicken crew is doing it how? Milkshakes and spitballs?

  125. MG May 3rd, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    For all of you who are upset about Adams not being with the team now-he was hurt almost the entire spring and had never played a game at AAA.

    He only played 86 games at AA last year as well.

    It’s one thing to love prospects and have nothing at stake by sticking your neck out that a prospect with a limited resume should be playing.

    It’s quite another to have the responsibility to make the actual decisions on things like this. There is no way you can project that a minor leaguer playing at AA will do well in the major leagues, it isn’t like they are facing major league quality pitching on a daily basis, it’s more like 1X per week.

    It’s good that he has put himself into the mix of players who may get a shot in the bigs this year and it’s no big deal that he isn’t with the team since they are 17-10 after a 1-4 start.

  126. tomingeorgia May 3rd, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Damp, cold afternoon in Georgia with an East wind. Worse than the weather-induced gloom is that I and the Frau have to drive 800 miles to East Stroudsburg for her daughter’s wedding. Not a chance in hell I could weasel out. Going to miss my 50th reunion as a result, which is OK, I guess, though surprisingly many of my old cronies continue to soldier on. Have to wait for the 55th and see who’s winnowed out.

    The Yankees have delighted me so far. They have found a way, so far. They have almost the same record as everybody’s Phenoms, the Upton- and Gattis-equipped Braves. Half-game better, even!

    It may be all smoke and mirrors. Two-fifths of the 25 man on DL, guys I never heard of (some of them, anyway) stepping up, youngsters coming soon. This surely isn’t the Yankee machine that I’ve known off and on for more than 60 years, but they sure are fun to watch. Go Yanks!


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