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Postgame notes: “I’m kind of clicking right now”

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When Phil Hughes was climbing into upper levels of the minor leagues, there was a lot of talk about his big curveball. As he got into the big leagues, he couldn’t make a spring training start without discussing his changeup. Last year, when he developed a slider/cutter hybrid, that pitch became the new buzz-worthy offspeed weapon.

But at his core, Hughes has always been a fastball pitcher.

“That’s his game,” Chris Stewart said. “He’s going to attack with his fastball. Sometimes it’s moving across the plane. Sometimes it’s just up and exploding. That’s why, when he’s in the zone with it, it’s really tough to hit because they don’t know which one they’re going to get.”

There was no real secret to Hughes best start of the season. He was simply throwing a lot of fastballs, locating them in the strike zone, and using offspeed pitches to effectively keep hitters off balance. And Hughes can be awfully good when he does that. In his past four starts, Hughes has a 1.93 ERA with 30 strikeouts, five walks and two home runs in 28 innings. He’s been every bit as good as the Yankees top three starters.

“When I’m getting ahead of guys it makes it a lot easier to do what I want to do during the course of the at-bat,” Hughes said. “I was aggressive with my fastball again, I was able to get ahead and for the most part did what I wanted to do. … I feel like I’m kind of clicking right now with what I’m trying to do. I feel like I’m executing pitches at a better rate than I did early on. As long as I can hit the glove and stay there, and maintain my velocity and strength late in the game, then I feel like I’ll be pretty good. I just have to continue that trend.”

The video above is Joe Girardi talking about Hughes’ outing, but for the most part, the results speak for themselves. As he’s said all year, Hughes said once again that he felt fully prepared when the Yankees rushed him off the disabled list on April 6, but it’s hard to overlook the fact that he lasted a total of seven innings in his first two starts and has averaged seven innings in his four starts since. He’s been awfully good, and he finished off today’s start by retiring his final 10 batters.

“He’s always got something,” Stewart said. “His fastball’s his best pitch, and it’s pretty good. You know that going in out of the bullpen. You know he’s throwing well down there, and you know he’s going to take that into the game.”

Robinson Cano, Brett Gardner• Robinson Cano’s sixth-inning double was the 344th of his career, moving him into a tie with Mickey Mantle for eighth place on the Yankees all-time doubles list. Cano’s, what, halfway through his career?

• The Yankees early offense came on solo home runs from Stewart and Lyle Overbay. It was Overbay’s third homer in the past six games. He had two homers in 65 games last season. The home run was Stewart’s second of the season. He’s hitting .275. “Obviously I’m not going to go up and try to hit a home run every time,” Stewart said. “It’s not going to work out too well if I do that.”

• Stewart is halfway to doubling his career home run total this season. He had one last year and three the year before that.

• Both Overbay and Stewart said basically the same thing about facing Bartolo Colon: You know he’s going to throw strikes, so look for one that’s left up the zone and be ready to pounce. “Hopefully he’ll make a mistake and you have to be ready for it if it’s pitch one or pitch 10,” Overbay said. “You know he’s going to be around the plate, so you don’t necessarily have to go after that first fastball. You know he’s going to come back with it. It’s just a matter of getting it up in the zone and taking advantage.”

Phil Hughes• One observation from Overbay: “(Hughes) was just being aggressive with that fastball. A lot of guys, the little that they got on, there were a couple that were mentioning that it was probably had a little more zip on it. It’s good to see. Everything else works off of that.”

• There’s an off day Monday, so it was a little easier for Girardi to use Mariano Rivera today. Girardi said he was committed to bringing Rivera into the ninth if someone got on base early. “I wasn’t going to mess around,” Girardi said.

• Rivera made his 1,064th appearance, tying Dan Plesac for sixth place on baseball’s all-time list.

• Jayson Nix took ground balls at first base before today’s game. He said he hasn’t played first base since high school, but he wants to learn the position just in case the Yankees need someone behind Overbay. “I think just the footwork (is the hardest thing),” Nix said. “That’s the name of the game in playing the infield, period. Moving from short to third to second like I do, that’s probably the biggest thing, the footwork. It’s the same thing going over there.”

• Final word will go to Girardi, who was asked if this game was about as clean as the Yankees can possibly play. “I don’t think Phil walked too many guys. He threw a lot of strikes. We played good defense behind him. Our execution was pretty good, and when we had opportunities to score, we scored. I thought our guys did a good job.”

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387 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I’m kind of clicking right now””

  1. Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Funny, how a few around here still don’t want to give the Yankees regime credit for developing Hughes as a pitcher. It doesn’t fit their obvious agenda!

  2. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    There are many of us who thought Hughes was finally set up to have a break out year this season. He has the ability to do it and become that number 2 or 3 guy we need. What a long road.

  3. Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    All those that predicted Toronto being the dominate team in the AL East have to remember that wholesale changes have to mesh together before they can become an effective team. Also, some of those acquired players from Miami didn’t play well together as a team last year for the Marlins.

  4. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    (Admittedly I thought Hughes would struggle today, as the A’s can hit balls out of the park. Good on him for preventing that.)

  5. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Madrugador May 4th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    With Petit and Kuroda being done after this season and Nova maybe not being a Yankee too much longer, Hughes will have to really pitch badly to not be a Yankee next year.

    ————————

    But can they afford him and Cano.

  6. Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Also, Rothschild should be given some credit as he has a history of developing pitchers to pound the strike zone and he’s not afraid of having his pitchers use their slider. That pitch can take a toll on your arm if you use it too much, but it can be a very effective weapon.

  7. Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    “But can they afford him and Cano.”

    Attendance is down, the Yankees will do whatever they need to do in order to push that back up next season. Winning is one thing, but Yankee fans want star players too and players that might not be star players like Hughes, but have grown up through the system as Yankees.

  8. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    True attendance has taken a hit and I’m sure they are concerned about it. If they don’t care about the budget then he will be brought back back.

  9. Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    They care about the budget, but if your incoming revenues are taking a big hit then that effects the budget too. Also, those supposed kickback revenue from being below the luxury tax threshold might not be as lucrative as first thought.

  10. CountryClub May 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    @yankees
    .@PhilHughes65 is first #Yankees RHP to toss at least 8 shutout innings & fan at least 9 in a game since Mike Mussina on 9/14/04 at KC.

  11. RadioKev May 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Also, Rothschild should be given some credit as he has a history of developing pitchers to pound the strike zone and he’s not afraid of having his pitchers use their slider. That pitch can take a toll on your arm if you use it too much, but it can be a very effective weapon.
    ——–

    Are you crazy? You can’t credit coaches. You can only blame them or their failures (in a game where everyone is essentially constantly failing).

  12. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
    They care about the budget, but if your incoming revenues are taking a big hit then that effects the budget too. Also, those supposed kickback revenue from being below the luxury tax threshold might not be as lucrative as first thought.

    ————————-

    That’s true I just have a hard time seeing them give him Sanchez money. I think they always believed the kids would be ready to take over spots in the rotation and keep moving the train along. They have preached flexibility over the past few yrs. Do they have to get boxed into a Sanchez money type contract?

  13. Run it Out May 4th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Sweaty Freddie no-no throuigh 6 vs. Angels.

  14. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    want* not have

  15. Tar May 4th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Developing Hughes as a pitcher hmmmm

    I’m by no means a pitching guru, but I’m thinking Hughes is finally healthy, has the arm strength from starting for a full year or longer with a nice bump in velocity to show for it, has stopped tipping his pitches, and is finally figuring out what secondary pitches are going to work for him.

    All this in about 9 years. Hmmm ok…. Great job developing Phil Yankees.

    I will say Phil Hughes has been given plenty of chances, even though he was a Pineda shoulder injury away from being a relief pitcher.

  16. yankee21 May 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    This game was all about Hughes, just an outstanding game he pitched.

    When you attack hitters and pound the strike zone all game long like he did it is no wonder he has been on a roll.

  17. Run it Out May 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Yankee Stadium may not be a perfect match for Hughes as a fly ball pitcher but I guess the Yankees must consider keeping him. They know he can pitch in NY and the AL East which is not a given when you look for alternatives.

  18. UnKnown May 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Talk about hitting rock bottom if you can’t even get a knock against the Chief.

    Scioscia needs to be fired by the time the sun goes down in Cali tonight.

  19. tomingeorgia May 4th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Norman Invasion and Verrazano are my exacta. Julep is in order.

  20. Run it Out May 4th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Tar…Hughes was not going to the pen. He outpitched Nova and Pineda in Spring Training and he was not going to the pen as long as Cashman was GM.

  21. Run it Out May 4th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Scioscia signed through 2018, Yikes!

  22. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    If Hughes has a good season and the Yankees want to retain him they will have no choice but to pony
    up.

    There are 3 So. Cal teams who would probably love to get their hands on a 27/28 yr. old #3 Pitcher.

    Several of them have plenty of money.

    I have to believe all else equal Hughes would love to pitch closer to home.

    The Yankees will have to put up or shut up.

    ;)

  23. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Run it Out May 4th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    Tar…Hughes was not going to the pen. He outpitched Nova and Pineda in Spring Training and he was not going to the pen as long as Cashman was GM.

    ———————

    He was going to be in a tough spot. Andy came back and they wanted both Nova and Pineda in the rotation.

  24. Nick in SF May 4th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Tar poo poos Hughes news? :sad:

  25. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Tom-

    I’ll take Secretariat and I’ll give your picks 10 lengths.

    ;)

  26. tomingeorgia May 4th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    MTU,
    Give me 22 lengths, and I’ll bet mine Place and Show.

  27. Run it Out May 4th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    AOO..One of those rotation spots was his to lose. Nova would have been the odd man out not Hughes..

  28. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Tom-

    He was the greatest horse I ever had the pleasure to see.

    A total freak of nature.

    What he did in the Belmont was just plain off the charts.

  29. Tar May 4th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    “He was going to be in a tough spot. Andy came back and they wanted both Nova and Pineda in the rotation.”

    Yep.

    Nick- not me poo pooing, just somebody crawing about agendas.

  30. Tar May 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Nova was 16-4 the prior year and at that time had better numbers than Phil.

  31. tomingeorgia May 4th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    MTU,
    Agreed, but the best races were those between Affirmed and poor Alydar.

  32. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Hughes development resembled to items:

    The teeth on a cross-cut saw, and a derailed train.

    He suffered from a combination of bad luck, mismanagement, improper conditioning, ad too much tinkering.

    Hopefully all that is behind him now.

    He seems to have figured out a good woring repetoire.

    I hope he sticks to it.

    And I hope he keeps going to API in the OS.

    ;)

  33. Nick in SF May 4th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Well, there was at least one obvious agenda on display if you care to look over your shoulder, but that probably wasn’t the only one.

    Let’s just say that your referee’s license application is still under review. ;)

  34. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Run it Out May 4th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
    AOO..One of those rotation spots was his to lose. Nova would have been the odd man out not Hughes..

    ———————————————

    IDK about that. Nova wasn’t going to the pen that was for sure.

  35. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Tom-

    I think affirmed was a Son wasn’t he ?

  36. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    sp: two

  37. UnKnown May 4th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    AND THEY”RE OFF

    Let’s Go Frack Daddy

  38. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    forget the spelling in that 6:30 post.

    I butchered it.

    Sorry.

    :(

  39. Nick in SF May 4th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    When does the race actually begin? I want to roll over all of my Huuuuughes winnings onto a big Orb bet.

  40. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    “I’m kind of clicking right now”.

    Wasn’t that Scott Proctor’s favorite saying.

    :)

  41. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    mtu-

    i think gb7 invaded your brain on that last post. maybe that was his way of saying hi :)

    no one could misspell a word ike gb7. he was the best .

  42. Jerkface May 4th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Hughes fastball IS his best pitch, and when it is ‘on’ like it was today (averaged somewhere in the 93-94 mph range and touched 95) he can be very good. He got lots of swings and misses on it. Its when its only 90-92 that the pitch can’t quite keep hitters in the park.

    Hughes was my favorite pitching prospect of the big 3 so I always like to see him go on his strong runs. I hope he keeps it up. Maybe if the Yankees sign him I can finally feel safe getting the road hughes jersey I’ve always wanted to get but feared having become obsolete.

  43. tomingeorgia May 4th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Pretty sly, Nick.

  44. Jerkface May 4th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Its also no surprise that the fastest curve (77 mph) with the sharpest break was the only one the A’s swung and missed at. With the slider in the low 80s he doesnt really need the power curve, but I always said that it would have been a better complementary pitch than the slow curve for him. The split too (an MTU favorite).

  45. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Randy-

    Whenever I see this one I think of GB:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/FarSide?authkey=Gv1sRgCJKErc6frKDWTA

    If he’s looking down I know he’d get a good chuckle.

    ;)

  46. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Thanks for the acknowledgement Jerkface.

    :)

  47. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    The pitch that Hughes threw that I really didn’t like and which may have caused secondary problems was that effin’ cutter.

    He seemed married to it for a while.

    Glad that one is gone.

  48. Jerkface May 4th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    The pitch that Hughes threw that I really didn’t like and which may have caused secondary problems was that effin’ cutter.

    He seemed married to it for a while.

    It was really good for a while, but he got sloppy with it. Though the saving grace is that he turned it into the slider.

  49. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    “Robinson Cano’s sixth-inning double was the 344th of his career, moving him into a tie with Mickey Mantle for eighth place on the Yankees all-time doubles list. Cano’s, what, halfway through his career?”

    of course mantle walked more in some years than cano does in three or four years. mantle was so fast if he started on first with cano on second he’d catch cano by the time cano got to home plate :)

  50. tomingeorgia May 4th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Just watched Soriano untuck after his tenth save, over the Pirates. Good for him.

  51. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    JF-

    The slider he is now sporting is a pitch I like.

    :)

  52. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Tom-

    I still want to know who the Woman in his hat was ?

    ;)

  53. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    List of Closers available for next season:

    Grant Balfour (36)
    Rafael Betancourt (39) – $4.25MM mutual option with a $250K buyout
    Frank Francisco (34)
    Joel Hanrahan (32)
    Ryan Madson (33)
    Carlos Marmol (31)
    Joe Nathan (39) – $9MM club option with a $750K buyout, Nathan may void if he reaches GF targets
    Mariano Rivera (44)
    Fernando Rodney (37)

    Slim Pickings.

    :(

  54. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    “If he’s looking down I know he’d get a good chuckle.”

    yup, he’d like that one :)

  55. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Randy-

    One thing I always loved about the GreenBeret was that he never took himself or anything else too seriously.

    We kinda had that in common.

    Along w a deep and abiding love for bad puns.

    :)

  56. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    I always though my bad ones were better than his.

    I’ll just have to settle that with him later on.

  57. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    And the way he blamed everything on poor “Killer” was shameless.

    Killer had plenty of faults but bad typing was not one of them.

    ;)

  58. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    So. Is Buttholz doctoring the ball ?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    ;)

  59. randy l. May 4th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    “One thing I always loved about the GreenBeret was that he never took himself or anything else too seriously”

    i liked to wind him up and watch him go.

    he used to go crazy when i even mentioned livan :)

  60. Jerkface May 4th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    So. Is Buttholz doctoring the ball ?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    Gonna go with a solid yes. It shouldn’t be surprising. I’m sure a lot of pitchers are doing stuff.

  61. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    JF-

    But most don’t get caught or make it appear so obvious.

    Dufus can’t even do that right.

    ;)

  62. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Randy-

    You Livan convos were pretty funny.

    I miss his encyclopaedic baseball knowledge, and especially his MiLB reports.

    Like he liked to say, He was just a soldier w a passion for baseball.

  63. Jerkface May 4th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    A lot of the excuses people are making is that ‘buchholz pours water all over himself’ to keep wet during a game so he can moisture up his hand. Which is also flippin’ illegal. Even their excuses are basically borderline cheating. Which means if the excuse for cheating is basically cheating then I think Buchholz is probably doing WORSE.

  64. Jerkface May 4th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Btw interesting matchup tomorrow Lester vs Darvish at 3. Definitely tuning into that on the TV with Yankees on MLB.TV.

  65. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    I’m starting to wish now that the Yankees did a YU-turn on Darvish.

    You were all over him from the start.

    Kudos to you.

    ;)

  66. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Have to think ole’ Vicente Padilla threw a “pomade” ball.

    He certainly was greasy enough.

    I was just waiting for the day Texeira finally got to de-grease him.

    :)

  67. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Time to watch the Rox and Rays.

  68. Pat M. May 4th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    The one glaring difference I notice in Phil Hughes as of late is that he’s come to understand how to close out a hitter. He’s always been one of the best in the game for getting ahead in the count, it was finishing them off that so often hurt him. He’s a keeper guys, and he’s going to be real good also. The shame is the off the course route he’s taken that has cost him at least 3 years. Could have posted 80 wins by now easily.

  69. Madrugador May 4th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Saw Schilling interviewed and he indicated that Bucholz’s ball moved a lot. That is why he was sent back to the minors. He couldn’t sufficiently control his stuff. Apparently now he can.
    If he is doctoring the ball, he is going to get watched closely and he will eventually get caught. If he isn’t throwing a spitball, good for him. If he is, he ought to be banned from baseball.

  70. Jesus Bustero May 4th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Pace O Meter reads 100 wins but I’m ready for the Red Sox to start losing already.

  71. pat May 4th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Yankees representing at the Nets game. CC and B Francisco courtside and Robbie and Vernon in the building.

  72. yankeefeminista May 4th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    “Hughes was my favorite pitching prospect of the big 3 so I always like to see him go on his strong runs. I hope he keeps it up. Maybe if the Yankees sign him I can finally feel safe getting the road hughes jersey I’ve always wanted to get but feared having become obsolete.”

    I’ve had the road Hughes authentic jersey since 2009. That is the jersey I always wear to the Stadium. So, I have gotten five good years of use out of it. I hope to get to wear it for five more years while watching Hughes pitch for the Yankees.

  73. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Hughes got some of the weakest swings today I’ve ever seen from him…..his fastball was electric and it wasn’t just that the velocity was a tick better it was just exploding through the zone and his arm looked extra quick today…..

    The slider has changed him as a pitcher….he can miss bats with it by throwing it out of the zone and he also ca throw it for strikes or slow down and flash a get me over curve ball……and his CU is useable now.

    They need to extend him now…..as I said last year I think he’s turned a corner and is finally figuring it out and will be pretty darn good for the next 4-5 years

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Sux losing.

    My day was spent at the Barnum and Bailey Ringling Brothers Circus with my six-year-old niece. I was almost bothered to distraction watching those poor animals perform on command. :( But she had a ball and it was fun enough otherwise.

    I actually don’t feel great about seeing Dubront take a loss because I don’t believe he’s cheating, though I can’t be sure. I have no doubt that the scumbag Bucholz is, they showed that Tazawa is, and I’d be surprised if Lester isn’t cheating. Bucholz has always made my stomach turn but the thought of that little twit pouring water over his head between innings pretending that he needs to cool off and getting away with it is absolutely revolting.

    Where’s the justice here? Hopefully it will find its way into the game and something will happen. What an atrocious injustice to see that slimey goobag named pitcher of the month or whatever he was named, and to see his ERA, WHIP, and their phony WL record.

    Milkshakes Ortiz keeps on juicing, the pitchers keep on cheating, and loathsome Bud happily turns a blind eye and with the other eye gives a quick wink, and then a nod to his dirtbag compatriot John Henry.

    Celebrate good times, come on!

    :evil:

  75. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    They need to extend him now

    —————————

    I think they want to see if this is real or not. Not saying what he is doing is great but I think the apprehension to extend him is based on what happens if he gets hurt again or reverts back to the inconsistent.

  76. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Heathcott had a nice game today….maybe that’ll get him going

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    BTW, I know it’s not Dubront pitching today for the Sux. I was just using him as an example. I have no idea whether or not Lackey is in on the dirty little secret, but I’m happy the Sux are losing – at this point in the game anyway they are.

    I detest cheating. I detest even more people in the game – officials, managers, whomever, that excuse it.

  78. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    “I think they want to see if this is real or not. ”

    When he’s been healthy in his career he’s been pretty good and he’s just now entering his prime age…..they can wait until the en of the season but then they’ll have to bid against everyone else. If Hughes has a big season he’s gonna make a lot of money as the only available FA starter under age 30

  79. j9d May 4th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Funny to hear folks worrying if the Yankees can afford or will decide to go after Hughes. Of course they will sign him if it makes sense. What am I missing?

  80. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    If Hughes has a big season he’s gonna make a lot of money as the only available FA starter under age 30

    ———————-

    That’s what they’re afraid of. They are afraid of investing that kind of money in Hughes. I think fore sure they would do a 40 for 4. .

  81. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    What am I missing?

    ——————–

    The budget and signing Cano.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    “Funny to hear folks worrying if the Yankees can afford or will decide to go after Hughes. Of course they will sign him if it makes sense. What am I missing?”

    Nothing that I can see. Just business as usual here, I’d say.

    Smart money says if Hughes remains effective, they’ll sign him. And Cano.

    And until smart money is shown to be otherwise, I agree with you that if there is worry or concern, it is needless.

  83. j9d May 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    The budget and signing Cano.
    —————————————–
    I wouldn’t worry about the budget one bit, no matter how much the Yankees create the impression that there is really a budget. It is not an issue.

  84. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    for*

  85. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Against, Hal said the $189 was not etched in stone. If they need to sign both, I’m sure they will.

  86. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    If they offered him 4/40 right now then he might take it….maybe he wouldn’t but how much money He will make this winter could vary greatly depending on the rest of his season…..

    If he pitches great I could see him getting 50+ million….maybe even 75. If he were to get hurt or struggle then he could be lookin at a 1 or 2 year deal for a lot less money…..

    Hughes doesn’t have a long track record of success to fall back on…..so a 4/40 or so deal now may be appealing because of the security it brings

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    “I wouldn’t worry about the budget one bit, no matter how much the Yankees create the impression that there is really a budget. It is not an issue.”

    Bingo. In addition, they’ve already said that they aren’t holding fast to $189 at the expense of fielding a winning team.

  88. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    I wouldn’t worry about the budget one bit, no matter how much the Yankees create the impression that there is really a budget. It is not an issue.”

    There is a budget for sure…..how flexible it is will depend most likely on how well they play and how much Hal thinks he can get away with

  89. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
    Against, Hal said the $189 was not etched in stone. If they need to sign both, I’m sure they will.

    —————————–

    They will but if Hughes has a big yr do you really see them giving him $80 mil for 5 yrs

  90. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Bingo. In addition, they’ve already said that they aren’t holding fast to $189 at the expense of fielding a winning team.

    —————————–

    And in the same breath said “you don’t need $200 million dollars to win a championship”

  91. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    “They will but if Hughes has a big yr do you really see them giving him $80 mil for 5 yrs”

    If they wait and he has a big year then they’ll have to pay him that much to keep him…..and I don’t think they would

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Against, seriously, I don’t know what the heck they’d offer him, but I suspect it would be enough to keep him. I can’t see Hughes wanting to play for another team, in addition.

    I’m counting on being correct.

    :)

  93. Bo knows May 4th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Meet Dan Fiorito SS, currently batting 424 in 9 games in Tampa. 6’4, 215

    ex Division lll baseball Undrafted From college to A ball Tampa.

    http://baseballnewshound.com/?p=3558

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    “And in the same breath said “you don’t need $200 million dollars to win a championship”

    Something makes me think it wasn’t in the same breath. In fact, I would bet that it was said in advance of the other comment.

  95. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
    Against, seriously, I don’t know what the heck they’d offer him, but I suspect it would be enough to keep him. I can’t see Hughes wanting to play for another team, in addition.

    I’m counting on being correct.

    ————————-

    Maybe he doesn’t want to play for another team but you never know.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    I swear to God that Tazawa’s right arm has some shiny substance on it. I noticed it when he walked out to the mound. And I just saw him rubbing up the ball. You don’t think he’d be arrogant enough to try something after being exposed in Toronto, do you????

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    “Maybe he doesn’t want to play for another team but you never know.”

    That’s true. Best I can say is that I believe that if he has a good enough year, the Yanks will do what they can to keep him.

  98. blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Bo,
    Thanks for posting that….maybe we have a diamond in the rough

  99. j9d May 4th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    There is a budget for sure…..how flexible it is will depend most likely on how well they play and how much Hal thinks he can get away with,
    ………………………………………………………………………………………
    Yep, agree with that. There is always a budget in any business. But a biz that is flush with cash has lots of flexibility and a budget is a guideline more than a rule. Agree Hal will do what he needs to do to make money…he knows winning is the way to make money. He’s not a great guy and not that smart but he is not an idiot. Easy decision if Phil continues to perform

  100. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    I have no real idea what is in Phil Hughes heart and mind but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he wouldn’t enjoy spending more time closer to home.

    What I’ve learned over the years about FA ballplayers is they tend to go where the money is.

    IMO if the Yankees wish to keep him they are going to have to pay him.

    The Dodgers and Angels will certainly be interested.

  101. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    blake May 4th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
    “They will but if Hughes has a big yr do you really see them giving him $80 mil for 5 yrs”

    If they wait and he has a big year then they’ll have to pay him that much to keep him…..and I don’t think they would

    ——————-

    I don’t think they would either.

  102. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
    “Maybe he doesn’t want to play for another team but you never know.”

    That’s true. Best I can say is that I believe that if he has a good enough year, the Yanks will do what they can to keep him.

    ———————-

    As long as it’s within reason sure

  103. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Phil certainly looks like he’s on his way to a big year.

    Just has to stay healthy.

    ;)

  104. Bo knows May 4th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Yeah, I was checking line scores a couple of days ago and went, “Who the hell is Fiorito, never heard of him”. So, today I looked him up.

    Can’t be very rough if they placed him in Tampa. If he’s at all successful, he’s a PR dream.

  105. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    I agree with Trisha.

    The Yanks will do the best they can.

    Will that be enough ?

    Who knows.

    They’ll definitely have serious competition for his services.

    If they are serious about maintaining a budget they really need to rethink their policy on extensions.

  106. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Bo-

    Sounds kind of large to be a SS.

    Wonder about his D ?

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    As always, I will leave the refusal to believe, and IMO needless worry to those who feel the need to partake of it.

    There’s not a question in my mind that if Phil wants to remain in NY and ends up having a good year, he’ll remain in NY.

    And I don’t believe the blanket statement about FA going where the money is. We’ll let Cano be an example. We’ll also throw in the FA who wanted to come to the Yankees and told the Yankees they’d be willing to take a hometown discount to do so. Two I can mention off hand are Pedro Martinez and Carlos Beltran.

    I’m much more concerned with the here and now – that would be cheating in the game by the Sux that may easily go unabated.

    Have a good night, y’all.

    :)

  108. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Looks like the Rox might knock off the Rays tonight.

    Garland came damn close to breaking Yunel Escobar’s hand.

    They sent him for xrays which were negative. He was in a lot of pain.

    Can we please have Cargo ?

    Tulo is destroying the ball.

  109. Bo knows May 4th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Hughes – Once burnt, twice shy. He comes up with a pitch, busts loose. Now, he’s a FB slider. Occasionally a CU, CB. Before it was FB cutter. I really don’t know what to say.

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    BTW, Tazawa and his shiny right arm struck out the side.

  111. Against All Odds May 4th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    If they are serious about maintaining a budget they really need to rethink their policy on extensions.

    ——————–

    I think the Yankees believed their kids would be ready to step in and replace players they let go. The whole develop pitching mandate wasn’t just to stop overpaying for other teams free agents but to limit overpaying for their own as well.

  112. Pat M. May 4th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    TNT NBA studio show reeks especially when compared to the ESPN hoops edition… Magic, Jowan Howard and Michael Wilbon are like Harvard Prof’s compared to Barkley, Smith , and Shaq…. Can’t even watch and listen to their noise anymore

  113. sunny615 May 4th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    BTW – can we please end the Shawn Kelley experiment. He’s the crappiest reliever I’ve ever seen. Why do they keep throwing him out there???

  114. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Trisha-

    We’ll see but the great majority of FA’s go where the money is. Citing a few example to the contrary doesn’t disprove what a very high percentage of them do.

    Especailly more high profile guys.

    It pretty rare for money to be left on the table, and even rarer if it is a signifcant amount.

    If the Yankees want Hughes they are going to have to be a very competitive bidder, if not the highest biddder.

    First things first though. Let’s see Phil put up a great season.

    Anyway, Have a good night. Sweet dreams.

  115. Bo knows May 4th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Wonder about his D ?
    ———–
    If he keeps hitting, we’ll know soon enough. There’ll be a storm of paper on him. As to size – Well after SS, there’s 3B. The Yankees seem a little light in IFs.

  116. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Anyway, I’ve got a date with a slot Canyon in the morning.

    I’ll see you all tomorrow.

  117. j9d May 4th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Power through, MTU!!

  118. MTU May 4th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Sure Bo.

    Was just wondering. If he is too large for ss they can try to shift him to 3B.

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 4th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    MTU, I know that the majority likely do it, but my point is that they don’t all do it. I don’t know Phil personally but I see him as someone who seems like he would put team loyalty over the highest bidder – I’m not talking if there are many millions/years separating the bidders, I’m talking within reason.

    Look at what FA Cliff Lee did.

    And I totally agree about first things first. Let’s see the exciting season that I believe is on its way with Phil. Then let’s see what happens.

    Isn’t living in the moment sometimes superior to worrying about the future? People propel themselves through life by always thinking about life’s “next year” rather than concentrating on enjoying life’s “this year”. I think it’s led by retail of all things. There was a time when Christmas decorations weren’t seen until the day after TG. Now it’s not unusual to see them in stores in October! We’re not allowed to live in the moment.

    So it has to be a conscious thing.

    I know you’re head is there, you of all people who commune with the beauty around you on a daily basis.

    Sweet dreams to you also, my awesome friend. Sleep even sweeter knowing that the score is 5-1 Texas in the top of the 9th!!!

    :)

  120. CompassRosy May 5th, 2013 at 1:11 am

    begin rant . . .

    For anyone that watched the M’s / Jays highlights on Baseball Tonight – I just thought I’d let you know that you weren’t given the full picture. Yes, they said some nice things about Michael Saunders (and his two homers) but, they spent MOST of the very little total time talking about/to R.A. Dickey and his recent woes. Now, don’t get me wrong, I like R.A (he was in Seattle once upon a time and has a sad but important back story to his life/career) but, isn’t it customary to at least speak about/to the WINNERS? I realize he’s last year’s NL CY winner and he’s been struggling mightily but, in the meantime, they are missing out on pointing out some of THIS year’s possible candidates.

    Watching that program, you would never know that Iwakuma is picking up right where he left off last season and he and Felix are likely the best one-two punch in the majors . . .
    They have a 7-3 record in 7 starts each and have combined for: 95.1 IP, 93 K’s , a 1.60 ERA and a .84 WHIP

    /rant

    ;)

  121. Jesus Bustero May 5th, 2013 at 1:51 am

    To a certain extent though you have to plan to live in the here and now. It’s something you have to prepare for unless you want to be a hermit.

  122. Jesus Bustero May 5th, 2013 at 1:52 am

    But once you reach the sweet spot of your plan you can let go a little, be more free and live in the moment.

  123. Jesus Bustero May 5th, 2013 at 1:56 am

    Come up to meet you
    Tell you I’m sorry
    Don’t know how lovely you are
    I’ve had to find you
    And tell you i need you
    tell you i set you apart
    tell me your secrets and ask me your questions
    ah lets go back to the start
    runnin in circles
    comin up tales
    heads on the science apart
    nobody said it was easy
    it’s such a shame for us to part
    nobody said it was easy
    no one ever said it would be this hard
    oh take me back to the start
    i was just guessing
    at numbers and figures
    pulling the puzzles apart
    questions of silence
    science and progress
    don’t speak as loud as my heart
    tell me you love me, come back and haunt me
    oh when i rush to the start
    running in cirlces
    chasing tails
    come back as we are
    nobody said it was easy
    it’s such a shame for us to part
    nobody said it was easy
    no one ever said it would be so hard
    i’m goin back to the start

  124. Crawdaddy May 5th, 2013 at 3:19 am

    “Nick- not me poo pooing, just somebody crawing about agendas.

    And you certainly have one. We understand your hatred for Cashman, but perhaps professional care will help you cope with that affliction.

    As to Hughes, the young man is finding his groove at 26 years old along with some success earlier in his career which is the same route most successful ML pitchers have taken over the years. Sure, the Yankees made mistakes with him by promoting him too early in 2007, and then slowed his progression as a starting pitcher by using him as a reliever in 2009 during their route to a WS championship. However, we’re now in the fourth season since then, time to move on and stop focusing on the past.

  125. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    “Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    Funny, how a few around here still don’t want to give the Yankees regime credit for developing Hughes as a pitcher. It doesn’t fit their obvious agenda!”

    I certainly don’t hate Cashman, just think for the last four or five years he’s been an arrogant, classless, putz going through a mid life crisis. I try to make a conscious effort not to hate anybody, I subscribe to the walk a mile in their shoes theory. But I have to admit walking in his shoes left a bad taste, but certainly not hate.

    He does somethings well and somethings awful. He certainly has been great in finding value in older veterans. That seems to be his specialty and it seems to have served him and the team well.

    As for your original statement on giving the “Yankee regime credit for developing Hughes” I defer to your paragraph above which describes the situation nicely.

  126. austinmac May 5th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Hughes looks like his stuff is as good as it has ever been. He was consistently at 93-94 and had 12 swings and misses on fastballs. That is impressive and that was the pitcher we have been waiting for.

    I do wonder about the Angels and Dodgers spending this on-coming off season. So far, their money has not been well spent.

  127. austinmac May 5th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Tar,

    Walking in one’s shoes and getting a bad taste is curious. We’re the shoes on your feet? :)

  128. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Mac

    Not the best choice of words was it! :D

  129. Madrugador May 5th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Cashman is the general manager but he is also constrained by policy that comes from the ownership. He carries some responsibility for the state of the team but certainly not all of it.

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Oh, I think the metaphor is apt. When the feet smell the odor reaches the nose and this does leave the tastebuds undefended, :)

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    The best thing I can sAy about Cashman is that he has a Hughes jones, and so do I. Keeping Hughes will mean them doing something right for the present and future, for a change.

  132. blake May 5th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    “Hughes looks like his stuff is as good as it has ever been. He was consistently at 93-94 and had 12 swings and misses on fastballs.”

    When Hughes is throwing that hard he’s tough because hitters react to his fastball at 93 like its 96 because of his arm action and just how it seems to jump at the end.

    Yesterday was as good as I’ve ever seen him

  133. blake May 5th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Never took Bret for a Coldplay fan

  134. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Morning J Alfred

    Phil has had a fair chance, unlike some other unmentioned players. But he was this close to joining Joba in relief pitcher prison. :D I posted yesterday, and I still think it’s that only because of Pineda’s injury that Phil is still starting.

  135. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Good morning-

    From NY Post/ Joel Sherman:

    In a Yankees season that has not exactly added up because of all the players who have gone down, the biggest mystery is their 8-3 record when opponents start a lefty.

    Yes, it is a small sample size. But even in a tiny sample, how do you get 8-3 when your batting average/on-base percentage/slugging percentage vs. lefties is .222/.297/.361?

    Read on:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....F9IwwncAXM

  136. MTU May 5th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Trisha-

    Saw you post from last night.

    Hopefully, Hughes will prove an exception, or the Yankees will render the point moot by ponying up an offer young Phil just can’t refuse.

    You are way too kind in your praise of me.

    Have a great day.

  137. Madrugador May 5th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Hughes is in his prime as a major league pitcher. I find it hard to jones for a guy who has historically given up so many home runs.

  138. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    ‘Never took Bret for a Coldplay fan”

    He inspired me this morning. Iv’e been blasting music ever since, much to the annoyance of my sleeping children. :D

  139. blake May 5th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Cashman has stuck with Hughes through thick and thin and I think he will push hard to keep him……maybe Hughes feels some loyalty for how long the yanks have hung with him and how many chances he’s been given.

    Hughes has had a long nonlinear development path filled with peaks and valleys but starting last year it just felt to me like he was finally getting there.. ….I would really suck after all the time and effort to lose him after he finally figures it out ….especially at 27 yeas old

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    If that’s the Hughes we’re getting the rest of the year that just makes the staff unreal. Just get back those bullpen guys healthy and we have a blanket from 1 to 9.

  141. CountryClub May 5th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    If they offered him 4/40 right now then he might take it….maybe he wouldn’t but how much money He will make this winter could vary greatly depending on the rest of his season…..

    —————–

    He might have accepted this last yr, but no way would he at this point. He’s seen (as has his agent) what other pitchers have gotten in FA the past couple of years and you have to think he believes he’s going to have a big yr. And if he does have a big yr he’ll be a 27 yr old FA in the prime of his career. He’ll easily get offered 5/75.

    I’ll worry about it when the time comes. Right now I hope he keeps mowing them down.

  142. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Cashman sees Hughes as his poster boy for develoPment and that was the one thing he did right when it came to keeping a high end young Rm in refusing to deal Hughes in a package for Santana. With IPK gone and Joba being thoroughly mishandled, Hughes represents redemption, even though he seems to have developed in spite of his handling ( and the injuries he’s overcome to get here).

  143. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Just saw a little bit of Hughes yesterday. Last year, if I remember correctly, You would often see Hughes shake off Martin’s pitch calling. Was he doing that yesterday?

  144. CountryClub May 5th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    From that Sherman article:

    That was not hyperbole. Forget the caricature of Jeter as a single in front of the right fielder. Against lefties, he has performed like a middle-of-the-order force. In 3,014 plate appearances against southpaws, he has a .338 batting average, .408 on-base percentage and .503 slugging percentage. That makes him one of 16 righty hitters in the DH ERA — 1973-present — to better .300/.400/.500 in a minimum of 1,000 at-bats against lefties.

    “He’s a monster,” general manager Brian Cashman said of Jeter vs. lefties.

  145. blake May 5th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    “He might have accepted this last yr, but no way would he at this point. He’s seen (as has his agent) what other pitchers have gotten in FA the past couple of years and you have to think he believes he’s going to have a big yr. And if he does have a big yr he’ll be a 27 yr old FA in the prime of his career. He’ll easily get offered 5/75.”

    I don’t know …. Depends on how much he wants to gamble……as I said because Hughes doesn’t really have a long or consistent track record how much he gets in free agency could vary greatly on how he pitches this year….. If he pitches great he could beat 40 by a good bit….if he gets hurt or doesn’t he may get nowhere near that.

    Similarly for the Yanks I think that’s both a fair and safe number for them to offer ….Hughes woukd only be 31 at the end of that deal

  146. blake May 5th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Yea Jeter has always just destroyed lefties and they miss him and Tex badly in that regard…..that 8-3 mark vs LHP isn’t sustainable at all IMO

  147. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    “You would often see Hughes shake off Martin’s pitch calling. Was he doing that yesterday?”

    YT

    I would say yes. I do remember at least a couple of times. Hard to say if it was a lot though.I will say Phil had a plan on what he wanted to do yesterday, and nothing was getting in his way.

    Top 3 Hughes performance for me.

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Tar,
    And a ver good
    Morning to you :)

    I’m On this lousy little IPhone but your post inspired me :)

    I give Debits to CashmAn/Contreras/ Eiland for Hughes’ long stall, including swiping his slider from him, giving him that I’ll conceived cutter in lieu of CU development environment for LHB and a blithe contentment to have him just dust w/out a true 3rd pitch. I did think Rothschild wAs a real bump up from Eiland and perhaps in our young Philip’s case he has been a positive guiding force. I also think Hughes is a kid without bluster or illusionS who has always worked hard and was accustomed to a high level Od success since a young age so he was going to continue to craft his arsenal. I think the tinkers rep is probably more about having had that slider taken away from him. He’s been searching for its replacement and now finally he’s come home to it and knock w

  149. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Knock wood he’s healthy is what meant to say:)

  150. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    http://triblive.com/sports/pir.....z2SNHlkBRb

    With the return of Granderson and Teixeira, will the Yankees see a constant assortment of right-sided infield shifts, when a righty pitcher is on the mound- a pitcher that with good location that can help force lefties to hit into the shift?

    The above article is a fairly good summary of how teams are saving runs scored against them when using these shifts.

  151. austinmac May 5th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    The Yankees have been playing far beyond the Pythagorian win theorem. Ultimately, they have to score more to maintain the pace, unless they do an Orioles thing from last year.

  152. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    J Alfred

    Yeah that’s the point I was trying to convey to Craw( only yours is much better).

    They get points for sticking with him for sure, but you don’t need to have “an agenda” for realizing that giving them credit on the development end of it is shaky at best. Rothschild has been better for Phil no doubt.

  153. MTU May 5th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    JAP-

    Some in the Yankees system (not sure exactly who) had a theory that throwing sliders was harder on the arm than tossing curves.

    Therefore they discouraged some of their pitchers away from using them in favor of the curve.

    I have no idea if that is a valid POV. Do guys who use the slider vs. the curve have more arm trouble in general ?

    The same can be said about the Circle change vs. the splitter.

    The few studies I have seen on that indicate that the split is no harder on the arm.

    Anyway, I have to run soon.

    Have a good one.

    :)

  154. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Austinmac-

    Good morning.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t...../league/al

    Looking at these AL team batting stats, the Yankees based on runs scored, are similar to the Angels and Astros. 40 homers[lead AL], 129 runs scored.

    The Orioles did it by having one of the best bullpens in the AL last year?

    It seems that the majority of those 40 homers are solo shots.

    Thoughts?

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    MTU, yeah sliders were strictly verboten at all levels for a long period in our system and now they’re back in style. I have no idea if they are harder on the arm ultimately, just some conventional wisdom claims that this is true, which the Yankees obviously bought into. No idea, but I am glad that Hughes rediscovered his or evolved his old pitch to get him back on track.

  156. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Funny, how a few around here still don’t want to give the Yankees regime credit for developing Hughes as a pitcher. It doesn’t fit their obvious agenda!
    —————–

    I hope Phil Hughes continues to do well, but he is, and has always been, an inconsistent pitcher. What that means is that you’re going to have good moments (like this current run) and bad moments.

  157. MTU May 5th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    JAP-

    Same here. It looks to be a very effective weapon and a nice compliment to his other stuff.

    If the slider is truly an arm destroyer guys like Pineda and Mongomery are at severe risk.

    Not sure what got Joba but he’s already had his TJS and we know he relies heavily on his slider.

    Personally, I think that POV is too simplistic. Until studies and surveys are done we won’t have anything but anecdotal evidence.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Tar,

    Cashman has earned his criticism & his sniff dogs and bully boys can’t muzzle one from saying so.

    What Cashman can do though is fight to keep Hughes, if he wants some flowers thrown his way.

  159. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Incidentally, Girardi’s take on Romine infuriates me.

    What he says about wanting Romine to get familiar with the pitchers before using him in games makes some sense – but I think it’s more that Girardi wants to show as little of Romine as possible so that when Cervelli comes back there is no thought as to whether the Yankees might be better off with a Cervelli/Romine tandem than with a Cervelli/Stewart tandem.

  160. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    MTU -

    Joba’s problem is his oblique which is related to the torque he puts on himself when he throws.

  161. Doreen May 5th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Good morning.

    To me, the most important issue is that Hughes’ back stays healthy all year. If that happens, I expect the Yankees to sign him, and I expect them to sign Cano.

    I am resigned to losing Granderson, but it is more important for the Yankees to keep Hughes And Cano than almost anything else thet do this winter (or before).

    If they do not make their best effort to keep these two players, then I will say they are rudderless. Now, if either player chooses to leave in spite of compelling offers from the Yankees, that is something else. But to me it is imperative that the Yankees do everything they can to keep these two. They are homegrown players of all star quality, and in the age of Free Agency, the Yankees have even more of a need to keep their own stars. It is a franchise proud of its history and of boasting of players who have stayed for their careers. Old timers days are important to the franchise and to the fans. (of course it would help if somehow some way the Yankees defy all odds this year and win a WS).

  162. 86w183 May 5th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Good morning folx —

    Hughes’ slider is much more of a cutter which puts less strain on the arm. You really get the right-to-left run from the grip rather than the snapping of the wrist at release.

    Love the way he’s pitching, but the Yanks never extended Jeter or Mo so it’s hard to see how the same ownership could justify a change in philosophy with both still on the roster.

    Everyone in the clubhouse has to feel he’s being treated the same. Extending Hughes does make business sense, but it’s bad for team chemistry and player/management trust.

  163. Against All Odds May 5th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Funny, how a few around here still don’t want to give the Yankees regime credit for developing Hughes as a pitcher. It doesn’t fit their obvious agenda! —————–

    I hope Phil Hughes continues to do well, but he is, and has always been, an inconsistent pitcher. What that means is that you’re going to have good moments (like this current run) and bad moments.

    ———-

    That’s why the Yankees haven’t extended him as of yet. I wonder who within the organization is in favor of signing and who is saying let him walk. I’m sure Cash is smiling ear to ear like a proud father.

  164. austinmac May 5th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    YT,

    I don’t think four runs/game is enough in the long haul. Granderson will replace . . .good question. They need him. He does produce runs. I say Ichiro should lose the most time, but Wells will sit too, as will Gardner.

    They have nothing they can do but wait. It is not like anyone is dying to give us a right handed bat.

  165. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Study done by UNC:

    Last year, the findings of a study conducted on more than 1,300 pitchers from 8-year-olds to college students, were released by Little League Baseball, which had commissioned it with USA Baseball. Three University of North Carolina researchers surveyed the pitchers over five years, annually assessing multiple factors: number of innings pitched, kinds of pitches thrown, number of teams played for and any arm pain or injuries experienced. The answers were analyzed to judge which factors influenced injury risk. The test group included 410 Little League pitchers.

    “There was no association between throwing curveballs and injuries or even arm pain,” said Johna Mihalik, who wrote the study. “It was surprising in a sense because of the conventional thinking about curveballs, but we were well aware that the studies by Dr. Andrews and Glenn Fleisig had come to similar conclusions. That’s what fueled our study.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03.....&_r=0

    MTU-

    Some think the reliance on just one pitch, thrown constantly, leads to arm injuries.

  166. MTU May 5th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Doreen-

    I agree. Every effort should be made.

    Chip-

    We were not discussing Joba’s current injury. Just arm injuries in general.

  167. blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    If the slider is truly an arm destroyer guys like Pineda and Mongomery are at severe risk.”

    I don’t think there is a lot of fact behind this …..everybody is different

  168. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    The better Hughes pitches the more complicated the decision on him will get.

    Let’s say this stretch is a sign of the season to come. Do you discount all his previous seasons where he’s been terribly inconsistent and/or hurt? Do you chalk it up to that now, at 27 entering his prime, he’s putting it all together and so giving him an Edwin Jackson type contract makes sense?

    Or do you say, that it was a good year, in a contract year, qualify him and hope to get a nice draft pick for him and cross your fingers that he’s not hitting his stride?

  169. MTU May 5th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    See you guys later.

    Got a hot date with a beautiful Utah slot canyon.

    P.S. Maybe I should have said cool date because it can be like a refrigerator in there.

    ;)

  170. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Against All Odds May 5th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Crawdaddy May 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Funny, how a few around here still don’t want to give the Yankees regime credit for developing Hughes as a pitcher. It doesn’t fit their obvious agenda! —————–

    I hope Phil Hughes continues to do well, but he is, and has always been, an inconsistent pitcher. What that means is that you’re going to have good moments (like this current run) and bad moments.

    ———-

    That’s why the Yankees haven’t extended him as of yet. I wonder who within the organization is in favor of signing and who is saying let him walk. I’m sure Cash is smiling ear to ear like a proud father.
    ————–

    AAO-

    I don’t know how much of that is going through Cashman’s head – he’s seen Phil pitch well for stretches before (like the first half of 2010) but it never lasts.

  171. tucker May 5th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    One of Hughes biggest challenges, IMO, has been change in speed. When his fastball is really humming like it has been the past few starts, it does not matter as much. He is able to throw his good, high fastball past batters.

    When his fastball is a more pedestrian 90-92, he can’t throw that past batters as easily. He would be able to if he had a pitch that kept hitters more off balance, such as a consistent change, a splitter or the slow looping curve he once consistently threw for strikes.

    But when he does not have his good fastball, hitters can just sit on it. A slider or cutter is not significantly slower than the so-so fastball. So hitters can just prepare for the fastball and adjust for the off speed pitch. They can’t do that as easily when Phil has his good fastball and he is locating well.

  172. austinmac May 5th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Doreen,

    As well as the team is playing this year, there is a lack of any home grown or long term feel with the players. Most seem like one and gone guys. Hughes can’t be let go if healthy. He is one of the rare draftees to make a contribution.

    If health continues, I would like the same rotation for next year, but it probably costs far too much. They would have perhaps 30-35 % of the payroll in four starters. But, add a healthy Pineda, I say prayerfully, and it is an impressive rotation this year and next.

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I hope Phil Hughes continues to do well, but he is, and has always been, an inconsistent pitcher. What that means is that you’re going to have good moments (like this current run) and bad moments.
    ////

    That’s the definition of mediocre, which he isn’t.

    Yesterday, and last year, really, showed that Phil wa finding his way back from that detour and that he is a survivor who never let go the inner knowing that a very good pitcher has been suppressed, stymied, delayed, misled, misused, misconstrued and miscast, and that we’re now seeing him emerge from the chrysalis.

    His reputation as some pitching “failure” has been a projection he’s worn well because he’s always known it doesn’t fit him, that it’s been foisted upon him by frustrated Yankee fans and limited executives and observers.

  174. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Doreen-

    If Hughes continues his progression/success this year without any further time on the DL, His agent will be looking for 5/80 money, which is what Anibal Sanchez got.

    Hughes, being a fly ball pitcher, might want to return to his roots and play in San Diego or LA for the Dodgers. If allowed to get to FA, I’m not so sure the Yankees will be able to retain him.

  175. blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    If it was done at UNC then it must be good!

  176. Doreen May 5th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    The question is this. Even if Hughes is what he is, which does fall on the inconsistent side, do the Yankees have anyone better or even as good to replace him, and will there be another pitcher on the market who can replace him for the same or lower cost?

    He is a middle of the rotation pitcher so far, and not an “ace” so it will be interesting to see what his market value is. It will be inflated based on who else is out there, for sure.

  177. Doreen May 5th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Yankee trader, all I ask of the Yankees is that they make a full effort. The decision is ultimately up to Hughes.

  178. blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    The better Hughes pitches the more complicated the decision on him will get.”

    That’s why they should be trying to extend him now…..if he has a good year then keeping him isn’t gonna fit in Hals budget…..he will either have to adjust the budget or let Hughes go most likely.

    I hope they keep him…..not only because many of us as fans are invested in him after watching him so long….. But because the yanks need a young and established starter to help Bridge the gap o some of their younger guys….:.

  179. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Just looked up the stats for Scranton:

    Good to see David Adams just keep on rolling with the hitting for average and getting on base

    Melky Mesa will never, ever be a major league regular. He just doesn’t make enough contact. Now I’m sure there will be some prospect hugger who will say “Justin Upton has nearly as many strikeouts – he’s a pretty good major leaguer wouldn’t you say?” and my answer to that is that Justin Upton, for all his strikeouts, also has a .370 OBP compared to Mesa’s .290 – so if you want to strike out 40 out of 100 times, that’s fine, but those other 60 at bats had better be a lot more productive than Melky’s have been.

    Glad to see Mustelier back up and playing at 3b. I’m sure that the Yankees would rather have him than Chris Nelson/Nix at 3b if Youk’s injury nags.

  180. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    I am resigned to losing Granderson, but it is more important for the Yankees to keep Hughes And Cano than almost anything else thet do this winter (or before).
    ///

    Doreen, this should be obvious, but it is absolutely right on. Hughes and Cano must be re-signed.

    The only thing standing in Hughes’ way would be health, which is never guaranteed, but yes let’s hope the back issues are behind him.

  181. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    The better Hughes pitches the more complicated the decision on him will get.”

    That’s why they should be trying to extend him now…..if he has a good year then keeping him isn’t gonna fit in Hals budget…..he will either have to adjust the budget or let Hughes go most likely.

    I hope they keep him…..not only because many of us as fans are invested in him after watching him so long….. But because the yanks need a young and established starter to help Bridge the gap o some of their younger guys….:.
    ———————–

    Blake,

    Extending him only makes sense if you think that this stretch is a sign of things to come.

    If you extend him and he returns to the Hughes we’ve seen the last 5 years (up and down) then you’ve just committed big money to AJ Burnett II.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Melky Mesa will never, ever be a major league regular. He just doesn’t make enough contact.
    ///

    No kidding?

  183. blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “The question is this. Even if Hughes is what he is, which does fall on the inconsistent side, do the Yankees have anyone better or even as good to replace him, and will there be another pitcher on the market who can replace him for the same or lower cost?”

    Simple answer is no they don’t unless they want to go internal and just roll the dice….. wainwright and Josh Johnson and Garza were the other two guys who were supposed to be free agents with Hughes……wainwright has already signed and Is rather have Hughes than Johnson or Garza at this point.

    Right now the yanks have CC an a bunch of questions marks for the 2014 rotation signed

  184. Against All Odds May 5th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    AAO-

    I don’t know how much of that is going through Cashman’s head – he’s seen Phil pitch well for stretches before (like the first half of 2010) but it never lasts.

    —————–

    True but he has always been a Hughes supporter and the stints of bad performance is just him “going through the growing pains of being a pitcher”

  185. jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Yesterday, and last year, really, showed that Phil wa finding his way back from that detour and that he is a survivor who never let go the inner knowing that a very good pitcher has been suppressed, stymied, delayed, misled, misused, misconstrued and miscast, and that we’re now seeing him emerge from the chrysalis.

    His reputation as some pitching “failure” has been a projection he’s worn well because he’s always known it doesn’t fit him, that it’s been foisted upon him by frustrated Yankee fans and limited executives and observers.

    Nice story, but not everything is a great drama.

    Hughes could not pitch well consistently primarily because he lacked good secondary pitches and/or could not throw them with consistent command. He has not been a reliever since 2009 and has not been “jerked around” like Joba.

  186. blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    “Extending him only makes sense if you think that this stretch is a sign of things to come.”

    I do….I’ve been saying since last year I thought he was getting close. He’s not gonna throw 8 shut out every start and he’s gonna give up homers and have bad games occasionally still…..but what I think he will be going forward is a 3.50-4 era 1.1-1.2 WHIP , 150-180 K guy …….at 27 that’s valuable

  187. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I hope Phil Hughes continues to do well, but he is, and has always been, an inconsistent pitcher. What that means is that you’re going to have good moments (like this current run) and bad moments.
    ////

    That’s the definition of mediocre, which he isn’t.

    Yesterday, and last year, really, showed that Phil wa finding his way back from that detour and that he is a survivor who never let go the inner knowing that a very good pitcher has been suppressed, stymied, delayed, misled, misused, misconstrued and miscast, and that we’re now seeing him emerge from the chrysalis.
    ——————

    Actually inconsistent is not the definition of mediocre – it means he can be good or bad and you never know from start to start, inning to inning which it is going to be.

  188. blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    If the yanks let Hughes reach free agency after a good season then he’s gonna get paid…..the Angels and Dodgers both could use him

  189. Against All Odds May 5th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    If you extend him and he returns to the Hughes we’ve seen the last 5 years (up and down) then you’ve just committed big money to AJ Burnett II.

    ————————–

    Yep that’s what makes it a hard decision. If he is finally becoming who we all thought he was then him for 5 yrs is a no brainer based on age and performance but if this is just a good stretch they don’t want to get caught holding the bag. I mentioned this yesterday by now the Yankees probably thought their young pitchers would replace the players they are thinking about letting go. The decision would be easy if Manny and others were further along in their development.

  190. blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    @KenDavidoff: Phil Hughes is becoming – how do you say it? – indispensable to the #Yankees. #TopSecret #Athletics http://t.co/63Vg3sDw5o

  191. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    “Extending him only makes sense if you think that this stretch is a sign of things to come.”

    I do….I’ve been saying since last year I thought he was getting close. He’s not gonna throw 8 shut out every start and he’s gonna give up homers and have bad games occasionally still…..but what I think he will be going forward is a 3.50-4 era 1.1-1.2 WHIP , 150-180 K guy …….at 27 that’s valuable
    —————-

    What gives you that confidence? In his career he’s never pitched to a sub 4 ERA except for the year he spent in the pen, he’s not consistently healthy, and he’s an extreme fly ball pitcher pitching in a hitters’ park.

    For the record, I hope you’re right about him – but I’ve not seen anything to suggest it at this point.

    Again, I like Phil, but we’ve seen this before from him…what we haven’t seen is an ability to sustain it over the course of a season.

  192. blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Again when Hughes has been healthy he’s been pretty consistent as a starter…..look the the two seasons he’s been healthy…..2010 and 2012 and this year……numbers are similar.

    His career numbers are skewed by how bad he’s been in stretches when he’s not been healthy but when he’s right he’s always about the same

  193. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    This whole “it never lasts” meme regarding Hughes’ success does not consider that development of Hughes was not complete.

    He’s not some middling starter who’s on some days, off others. The problem is the mindset around here with young pitching, and the expectation that this is a linear process; it ain’t.

    Phil Hughes has been stalled and thwarted, by injury and by the wrong mentors, to a large degree.

    He’s still developing and he’s kind of made a quantum jump by having that slider to offer, and he’s got renewed arm strength and his fastball looks better than ever – a fastball that has always been a strength and which people in here have actually called a “crap pitch.” Movement and sustained velocity is what you’re seeing, here, which was the Hughes of Trenton and prior to that.

    Adding that one pitch and appearing healthy and strong has changed everything; the rest of the arsenal has gained immeasurably in context. That’s why a “3rd pitch” is so important, and why most guys who don’t have that are viewed as non-starters. Hello, the “3rd pitch” is in the house.

    The question is does he stays healthy rather than can he sustain what he’s doing.

  194. DONNYBROOK May 5th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    A question for you guys that wanna re-sign Cano, And are also Now in line to re-sign Hughes. Just where is the cabbage coming from, with the $189 Mill Mandate in mind?

  195. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    If the yanks let Hughes reach free agency after a good season then he’s gonna get paid…..the Angels and Dodgers both could use him
    ——————-

    True. But I think you have to let this play out.

    If you’re Cashman, when Hughes hits free agency you have a number in your head. One that not only reflects what you hope and dream he might become but what you’ve seen of him in the past. You give him a qualifying offer to CYA and you try to re-sign him, but if another team comes in with an offer that’s over where you are comfortable you let him walk and cross your fingers that you’re right.

    I just can’t give the guy an Anibal Sanchez type deal – not off of his career to date.

  196. blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    “What gives you that confidence? In his career he’s never pitched to a sub 4 ERA except for the year he spent in the pen, he’s not consistently healthy, and he’s an extreme fly ball pitcher pitching in a hitters’ park.”

    Because I’ve watched nearly every pitch he’s ever thrown and I’ve seen progress over the last year…..I’ve seen him get healthy…..I’ve seen the Yankees take the training wheels off him and treat him like a rotation fixture…..I’ve seen him become more confident in his CU…..and I’ve seen him finally develop a breaking ball he can miss bats with…..

    I’m not just saying this stuff…..I have reasons…..and again whenever Hughes has been healthy he’s been pretty good as a starter.

    I know think he’s a #1 guy ….but I do think he’s rounding into a very solid big league starter…..one that will give innings and keep you in lots of games

  197. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Again when Hughes has been healthy he’s been pretty consistent as a starter…..look the the two seasons he’s been healthy…..2010 and 2012 and this year……numbers are similar.

    His career numbers are skewed by how bad he’s been in stretches when he’s not been healthy but when he’s right he’s always about the same
    ——————–

    But don’t you have to factor in his ability to stay healthy as a question mark. He’s a 27 year old pitcher with a history of nagging injuries.

  198. blake May 5th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    The Hughes we saw yesterday’s fastball was playing more like 96 to the hitters….they pick it up so late

  199. jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I would not compare Hughes to AJ Burnett.

    But, due to Hughes’ history, I would need to see more than 4 nice starts before committing a bunch of money to him. I also need to see the back issue not return. They could take a chance now with a lower offer, but both sides are taking a chance in that situation.

  200. blake May 5th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “But don’t you have to factor in his ability to stay healthy as a question mark. He’s a 27 year old pitcher with a history of nagging injuries.”

    What pitcher don’t you have to worry about health with? He’s been relatively healthy for 2 years now so at 27 I don’t see him as any more real risk than anyone else…..certainly no nearly the risk of a josh Johnson

  201. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Blake and J Alfred both have excellent posts on Phil. Could not have said it better myself.

  202. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    I would think a lot depends on whether the Yankees plan to stay within the LT, and whether Kuroda as well as Pettitte decide they are interested in another year. If Pineda progresses, the rotation could be:

    Sabathia
    Kuroda/Pettitte
    Nova
    Phelps
    Pineda

    Then they can resign Joba for less and convert him into a starter. :)

    Here’s the lengthy, updates [5/2/13] list of FA starting pitchers.

    Starting pitchers

    Bronson Arroyo (37)
    Scott Baker (32)
    Erik Bedard (35)
    Nick Blackburn (32) – $8MM club option
    A.J. Burnett (37)
    Chris Capuano (35) – $8MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    Chris Carpenter (39)
    Bruce Chen (37)
    Bartolo Colon (41)
    Aaron Cook (35)
    Jorge De La Rosa (33)
    Scott Feldman (30)
    Gavin Floyd (31)
    Jeff Francis (33)
    Armando Galarraga (32)
    Freddy Garcia (37)
    Jon Garland (34)
    Matt Garza (30)
    Roy Halladay (37) – $20MM vesting option
    Jason Hammel (31)
    Aaron Harang (36) – $7MM+ mutual option with a $2MM buyout
    Rich Harden (32)
    Dan Haren (33)
    Roberto Hernandez (33)
    Tim Hudson (38)
    Phil Hughes (28)
    Ubaldo Jimenez (30) – may void $8MM option for 2014
    Josh Johnson (30)
    Jeff Karstens (31)
    Hiroki Kuroda (39)
    Jon Lester (30) – $13MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Colby Lewis (34)
    Ted Lilly (38)
    Tim Lincecum (30)
    Derek Lowe (41)
    Paul Maholm (32)
    Shaun Marcum (32)
    Jason Marquis (35)
    Daisuke Matsuzaka (33)
    Brett Myers (33) – club option
    Ricky Nolasco (31)
    Roy Oswalt (35)
    Mike Pelfrey (30)
    Andy Pettitte (42)
    Wandy Rodriguez (35) – $13MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
    Jonathan Sanchez (31)
    Ervin Santana (31)
    Johan Santana (34) – $25MM club option with a $5.5MM buyout
    Joe Saunders (33) – mutual option
    James Shields (32) – $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Tim Stauffer (32)
    Jason Vargas (31)
    Ryan Vogelsong (36) – $6.5MM club option with a $300K buyout
    Edinson Volquez (30)
    Tsuyoshi Wada (33) – $5MM club option
    Jake Westbrook (36) — $9.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout.
    Chien-Ming Wang (34)
    Suk-min Yoon (27)
    Chris Young (35)
    Barry Zito (36) – $18MM vesting option with a $7MM buyout

  203. MG May 5th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    blake May 5th, 2013 at 9:58 am
    “What gives you that confidence? In his career he’s never pitched to a sub 4 ERA except for the year he spent in the pen, he’s not consistently healthy, and he’s an extreme fly ball pitcher pitching in a hitters’ park.”

    Because I’ve watched nearly every pitch he’s ever thrown and I’ve seen progress over the last year…..I’ve seen him get healthy…..I’ve seen the Yankees take the training wheels off him and treat him like a rotation fixture…..I’ve seen him become more confident in his CU…..and I’ve seen him finally develop a breaking ball he can miss bats with…..

    I’m not just saying this stuff…..I have reasons…..and again whenever Hughes has been healthy he’s been pretty good as a starter.

    I know think he’s a #1 guy ….but I do think he’s rounding into a very solid big league starter…..one that will give innings and keep you in lots of games
    ———————-
    I completely agree about Hughes.

    I really enjoy watching him pitch because of the way he attacks hitters.

    The one thing I’d like to see him do is have a little more confidence in the slider and use it more when he’s ahead in the count.

    He had lots of batters 0-2 yesterday and was attacking them with fastballs out or up in the zone, once he has a little more confidence in the slider he can start mixing in sliders down and away to righties or down and in to lefties for swings and misses-he got a couple yesterday with backdoor sliders when the count was even but he could go deeper into games with quicker punchouts.

    As for his contract status, the Yankees have never allowed a home grown talent to leave in free agency when he could really help the ballclub-they have 2 in Cano and Hughes this year and should ignore the self-imposed cap to keep them.

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Color me skeptical about the “show me” stance on Hughes. Yeah, he has to go out and do it again and again, but some folks in this space actually have opined that Phelps has a better fastball than Phil Hughes… I mean, c’mon, guys…

    How about a prolific poster yesterday who tried to sell Hughes’ strong outing as pitching against a “weak” lineup…. hey, if that person couldn’t see that Hughes yesterday was just lights out, not successful because of the lineup he was facing, then not much you can say except maybe watch that game again on MLB archives and see if it sinks in then…

  205. DONNYBROOK May 5th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    As long as Hughes remains a fly-ball Chucker, he is gonna have his ups-and-downs in Yankee Stadium. I don’t care how hard he throws, or the movement on the heater. I heard the same tripe, just before David Wright took Kimbrel into Deep CF Fri Night. Again, the dough ain’t there for Hughes if you re-up Cano. This is Not a candy store. You do have to make Tough choices.

  206. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    blake May 5th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “But don’t you have to factor in his ability to stay healthy as a question mark. He’s a 27 year old pitcher with a history of nagging injuries.”

    What pitcher don’t you have to worry about health with? He’s been relatively healthy for 2 years now so at 27 I don’t see him as any more real risk than anyone else…..certainly no nearly the risk of a josh Johnson
    ——————-

    Clearly you have to factor injury risk in with every pitcher/player that you sign. But if we’re talking about extending Hughes you’re looking at a 5 year deal at least for a young player who hasn’t stayed.

    Look, if he puts together a good full season this year. Say an ERA around 4.2, keeps the ball in the park, can give you some length – that would be two back-to-back solid mid rotation years and sure you try to re-sign him. But I don’t think you try to extend him based on how well he’s pitching prior to Memorial Day.

  207. blake May 5th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    “But, due to Hughes’ history, I would need to see more than 4 nice starts before committing a bunch of money to him”

    He won 16 games last year and 18 in 2010…..

  208. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    I just read Loopy’s whole column (thinking about Murphydog’s Loopyrants :D ) and not one reference to the Yankees? Whats up with that?

    I guess they are winning too much for Mikey.

  209. blake May 5th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    “As for his contract status, the Yankees have never allowed a home grown talent to leave in free agency when he could really help the ballclub-they have 2 in Cano and Hughes this year and should ignore the self-imposed cap to keep them.”

    I agree ….

  210. blake May 5th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Chip,
    The whole point of trying to extend him now would be to try to get him cheaper and shorter term…..

  211. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Lupica HATES the Yanks.
    He went to college in Boston.
    His whiny voice can’t be real but why would anybody put that on.

  212. jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    blake, I don’t go by W-L much. We know the Yankees have had strong offenses and Hughes has had stretches with remarkably good run support. Just like King Felix has had great years with poor run support. I remain on the fence about Hughes, but definitely encouraged by his last four starts due to his secondary pitches.

  213. blake May 5th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    “blake, I don’t go by W-L much”

    I don’t either entirely but again when healthy he’s been about a 4 era , 1.2 whip….150 k starter….and one who is young and could still get a tick better

  214. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    blake May 5th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Chip,
    The whole point of trying to extend him now would be to try to get him cheaper and shorter term…..
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    Very true -

    And in many cases it is the route I would go with players – but in the case of Hughes – like I said – I’ve seen good stretches before. I want to see a good season.

  215. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    “Correcting the HR problems that plagued him in 2012 and finding a way to cut down on the longball will be key for Hughes this year. As a flyball pitcher, it’s not the easiest thing in the world to do, but it could be the determining factor in just how much money Hughes gets after this season and who he gets it from.

    Phil gave up 35 HR last season, tied for 2nd most in MLB with the immortal Jason Vargas, and not many of them were gimmes. Coming into 2012 Hughes had given up 53 total HR in his career, so coming closer than anybody would want him to come to doubling his career HR allowed total is obviously a step in the wrong direction. Of Phil’s 35 homers allowed, 22 of them came at home compared to 13 on the road, a sign that pitching in Yankee Stadium isn’t doing him any favors. 24 of the 35 were hit by right-handed batters, something that doesn’t exactly jibe with being a flyball pitcher in YS3, and despite Phil improving his overall performance after a poor start to the season, his 1st half/2nd half homer splits were pretty even at 19 and 16. The only thing that really saved Phil’s numbers from looking even worse was 23 of the 35 being solo shots.”

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....owed-47861

  216. DONNYBROOK May 5th, 2013 at 10:22 am

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  217. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 10:24 am

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    I don’t either entirely but again when healthy he’s been about a 4 era , 1.2 whip….150 k starter….and one who is young and could still get a tick better
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    Again, I hope you’re right. But even last year Hughes was great for 16 starts and pretty average/bad for 16 starts. In 2010 he was an All-Star for the first half – pitched to an ERA near 6 in the second half.

    Put together a season…not a stretch…a season and then I’ll be a buyer.

  218. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    He won 16 games last year and 18 in 2010…..
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    In 2010 he led the league in run support amongst starting pitchers, almost 6.5 runs/game.

    Last year Sabathia was in the top ten of all pitchers for run suport. I don’t believe Hughes was far behind. Until September, Kuroda got virtually little run support from the Yankees.

  219. MG May 5th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    If you eliminate the times when he’s been less than 100%-2010 and the first couple of starts this year-Hughes has been pretty consistent for a pitcher at his level of ability.

    Every pitcher has bad starts-the frequency of those goes down somewhat as ability goes up (and they don’t give up as many runs) but no one avoids getting knocked around sometimes.

    Hughes has significantly improved as a pitcher in the past year-it’s not just secondary pitches, it’s him getting closer to completing his education as a quality starter at the major league level.

    He can pitch with this style for the next 3-5 years, after which he will have to evolve again as his fastball gets diminished somewhat by age and/or injury.

    It would be a shame if the Yankees let him pitch for another team for those years and I doubt they will let him leave if he wants to stay…

  220. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    why wouldn’t any team that really wants hughes just get into a bidding war with us?
    we are in no position to outbid for anyone anymore.

  221. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Mick

    Were you around for sundays with Murphydog? His posts on Loopy were hysterical.

  222. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    It’s not about run support or wins; it is about quality of pitch Hughes is throwing. And his pitch quality has been excellent, going back to second half of last year. All he’s needed is his health, his arm strength, and his ability to command his fastball plus a change of speed pitch. With Hughes he always had the quality fastball with deceptive zip, but with the velo sustaining it makes that fastball even more lethal. Then he now does have the swing and miss slider, so people can no longer criticize him for not having a swing and miss secondary pitch; then add to that the show me curve and the changeup, which was making progress last year if people were paying attention. So, if he stays healthy, why shouldn’t Hughes continue to succeed? Sure, he will put an occasional fastball over the plate, but he has minimized the damage by giving up solo shots. It makes me laugh that people worry about Hughes’ flyball tendencies but wax poetic about Pineda, a bona fide righty flyball pitcher who will also have to pitch in NYS. Hughes has grown up right before people’s eyes, and the progression has been obvious for the past couple of years. Yesterday was the epiphany, the living document of all the work put in. Phil Hughes has arrived. Deal with it.

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    murphdog was a good read Tar, wonder if he is ok?

  224. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    mick, let’s see what we do. I would be surprised if Hughes gives us a hometown discount.

  225. Against All Odds May 5th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    . Again, the dough ain’t there for Hughes if you re-up Cano. This is Not a candy store.

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    This made me laugh. Keep up the good stuff Donny.

  226. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    i like the way people think it is the yanks choice if they want to keep hughes.
    like he has no choice?
    damn, he might want to pitch in LA.
    if another team wants him and he wants out, we have no chance.

  227. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    mick, agree. That is why we should have extended him while we had the chance.

  228. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    …we still have that opportunity if he wants to stay.

  229. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    I would be surprised if Hughes gives us a hometown discount.
    ==========================
    why should he?
    is he any different than any other greedy player?
    Hal won’t care if he bolts.

  230. MG May 5th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Since June 1, 2012 (ignoring the 1st two starts of 2013 when he was essentially rehabbing on the fly), Hughes has started 25 games and made quality starts in 18 of them.

    In that same time period, Hiroki Kuroda has made 28 starts and had 19 quality starts (I threw out the one where he was taken out because of the batter ball).

    I don’t necessarily love the ‘quality start’ metric (I would call make it 7 innings minimum with 3 runs) but that comparison still tells you Hughes has been pretty good since last June…

  231. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    That is why we should have extended him while we had the chance.
    ==========================
    when was the last time we did that?

  232. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    About taking away sliders because of the injury risk. I can’t remember who denied it in Yanks org, as I can’t find the article, but someone–Newman, Nardi?–said it wasn’t true that we shelved the slider because of the injury risk. Anyone know the article I am referring to?

  233. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    mick, new horizons/playing field; call for new approaches. We will definitely change our way of doing things going forward. We have no choice in this new dearth of FA’s era. Otherwise, we leave ourselves vulnerable.

  234. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    what ppl forget is that this Phils choice, not ours.
    he might want out of here and will get more money elsewhere where he can be the #1.
    its really a no brainer, win-win for him.

  235. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    mick, yep.

  236. 86w183 May 5th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    With $ 100 M coming off the books the Yankees can keep Hughes and Cano and still get down to $ 189 M if they really, really want to.

    Say it costs $ 40 M a year to keep them, then you have about $ 130 M committed and that still leaves a good bit of money, albeit with lots of holes to fill.

    It wont be easy, but it is doable…. especially if Nova/Pineda/Phelps/Banuelos/Warren/Mitchell somehow fill out the rotation and one , just one outfielder makes a move.

    We shall see… heading out, have a great day folkx!

  237. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Otherwise, we leave ourselves vulnerable.
    ============================
    Isn’t that what this new cba is about?
    Hal wanted it, win-win for him.
    kind of a scorched earth policy but when he wins one he will be the 1st to say I told you so…

  238. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Say it costs $ 40 M a year to keep them, then you have about $ 130 M committed and that still leaves a good bit of money, albeit with lots of holes to fill.
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