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Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on May 05, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

1. Gardner CF
2. Cano 2B
3. Wells LF
4. Hafner DH
5. Suzuki RF
6. Nix 3B
7. Overbay 1B
8. Nunez SS
9. Stewart C
Pettitte P

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  1. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    I get loyalty, but Nelson and Romine should not be sitting in favor of Nix and Stewart.

  2. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    no romine for andy.

  3. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    He won 16 games last year and 18 in 2010…..
    ——————————

    In 2010 he led the league in run support amongst starting pitchers, almost 6.5 runs/game.

    Last year Sabathia was in the top ten of all pitchers for run suport. I don’t believe Hughes was far behind. Until September, Kuroda got virtually little run support from the Yankees.

  4. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    nix and steward are the starters

  5. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Chip-

    As Mick said, no Romine for Andy. Perhaps Pettitte, coming off one of his worst career starts, requested Stewart.

  6. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    SWB plays a double header today. Hopefully Mustelier will make a speedy recovery and force the Yankees to bring him up soon.

  7. Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Have to go.

    Everyone have a great day.

    Go Andy-lead the Yankees to victory today! :)

  8. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Chip-

    As Mick said, no Romine for Andy. Perhaps Pettitte, coming off one of his worst career starts, requested Stewart.
    —————-

    I said it on the last thread – I don’t think Girardi has any intention of letting Romine play enough to put the thought into anyone’s head that the team would be better off with Cervelli/Romine than Cervelli/Stewart.

  9. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Yankee Trader May 5th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    SWB plays a double header today. Hopefully Mustelier will make a speedy recovery and force the Yankees to bring him up soon.
    —————–

    Agreed – a few games to get up to speed and then call him up.

    I was happy that the Yankees went with Claiborne instead of the easy move which would have been to call up Eppley

  10. jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I think with Girardi it’s just a trust issue with Romine. He trusts Stewart behind the plate, Romine is a rook.

  11. MG May 5th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Girardi’s logic for playing Stewart in these 3 games is that there was a day off before and after the series and that Romine would get some time starting in Colorado.

    There might be more than that but Pat M, who played the game at a high minor league level, said that Romine was paying his dues by observing and that this was the right way to do it. That means more to me than the conspiracy theories or anything else posted here.

    Stewart takes a lot of abuse here but is having a pretty good year at the plate (small sample size but has been a plus for them with the occasional power and ability to move runners over) while being very good behind the plate-he works well with the staff, they seem to like throwing to him.

  12. MG May 5th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    why is there a smilie face on Baseball Reference.com’s Ronnier Mustelier’s page next to his date of birth? :)

    just kidding but he’s not 28 years old…

  13. mick May 5th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Romine shouldn’t be here now. He missed most of last year and is not ready.
    This is not an audition, it was an emergency….and if prolonged they should find a backup like Molina for a few days a week.

  14. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I think with Girardi it’s just a trust issue with Romine. He trusts Stewart behind the plate, Romine is a rook.
    ——————

    How do you earn that trust if you don’t play?

    Look, there’s logic to the argument that he has to learn the pitchers. And Stewart’s not killing them. But Stewart is not a major league catcher, Romine might be.

  15. Rich in NJ May 5th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    I saw something from some people about other people being reluctant to give credit to the Yankees for Hughes’ development.

    Of course, they get credit. I have already given Cashman & Co. credit for him being #4 (you can call that damning with faint praise, but that’s what he has been).

    If what he is beginning to show now continues, that he is a #3, or possibly with some enduring consistency, a #2, of course they get credit for that.

    But if they don’t re-sign him, that’s a pretty empty victory, and would be run counter to everything the Yankees have been about since 1974.

    And let’s start developing good players with some consistency.
    _

    Whatever you want to say about Stewart, I don’t think it is unreasonable to think that Romine should catch twice a week, if only to keep his hitting mechanics in sync.

    Girardi said himself when Romine was called up that his PT would be determined by how he plays. Well, how can anyone look good playing this infrequently?

  16. RadioKev May 5th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    I suspect that if Pineda comes back and is decent, Nova is gone at the trade deadline.

  17. Against All Odds May 5th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    The ban on Romine has been extended another day. :(

  18. Rich in NJ May 5th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    I’d put Nova in AAA as insurance and to try to rebuild both his mechanics and value, irrespective of Pineda’s status.

    I don’t see him as being worth that much right now.

    Of course, if he comes off the DL being really good, forget what I said.

  19. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Rich in NJ May 5th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Whatever you want to say about Stewart, I don’t think it is unreasonable to think that Romine should catch twice a week, if only to keep his hitting mechanics in sync.

    Girardi said himself when Romine was called up that his PT would be determined by how he plays. Well, how can anyone look good playing this infrequently?
    —————

    100% agree.

    Romine, who is used to playing everyday comes up here – sits for a week and then he’s going to go out, put up an 0-3 because he hasn’t played in 5 days and then Girardi’s going to say that “Well, I want to get Stewie back in there because I want to play the hot hand…”

    He’s been sabotaging this kid since spring training – even playing Bobby Wilson over him.

  20. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I always thought the rule was – if you’re going to call a prospect up you play him because sitting doesn’t help him develop.

  21. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    I wouldn’t deal Nova. Pineda coming back and being decent would have to happen pretty quickly and being pretty definitive (which is not happening) with the trade deadline coming soon thereafter. Pineda to me is a bonus at this point, and it is interesting the way if he comes back people already consider him a finished product ready to help, while Hughes is still considered a potential liability.

  22. RadioKev May 5th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Day after win: Why isn’t Romine playing?

    Day after loss: Offense isn’t for real.

    I’m curious to see how long this pattern continues.

  23. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    *be pretty definitive

    ___
    As for Romine, Joe G. said he wouldn’t be in the lineup, and Joe is a man of his word.

  24. mick May 5th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Romine should be playing everyday in the minors, not sporadically up here.

  25. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Chip, you’d hope, but obviously we aren’t too concerned about Romine accumulating splinters. “Getting familiar” must not mean learning by doing.

  26. RadioKev May 5th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    mick May 5th, 2013 at 11:01 am
    Romine should be playing everyday in the minors, not sporadically up here.
    ———

    Why?

    Would you rather have an even worse hitting catcher plucked from the waiver wire?

    This is where the rubber meets the road. Working with big league pitchers, talking with big league hitters, and learning from big league coaches. There’s plenty to learn even when Romine isn’t in the day’s lineup.

    Also, do we want Romine to be Pettitte’s personal catcher?

  27. mick May 5th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Stewart is the starting catcher.
    He hit a HR yesterday.
    I was there and saw it.

  28. mick May 5th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Romine isn’t even the Yankee catcher of the future as Sanchez is.
    J R Murphy has a better shot.

  29. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    mick May 5th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Stewart is the starting catcher.
    He hit a HR yesterday.
    I was there and saw it.
    ——————-

    I saw a whale eat a shark once – doesn’t mean it’s likely to happen all that often.

    You’re right that Romine’s probably not as good as JR or Sanchez – but he is better than Chris Stewart. How do I know this? Because Chris Stewart has had plenty of time to prove that he’s not a major league catcher.

    He might be a wonderful coach or manager down the road for the way he handles pitchers – but he’s not a professional catcher. He plays because Girardi relates to him – but Girardi was a much better player in his day than Stewart is.

  30. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    RadioKev May 5th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Day after win: Why isn’t Romine playing?

    Day after loss: Offense isn’t for real.

    I’m curious to see how long this pattern continues.
    —————-

    As long as Chris Stewart is taking meaningful at bats and development time away from a kid who, at the start of last spring training, was probably the favorite to be the BUC and eventual replacement to Russ Martin, then I will complain about it win, lose or draw.

    It is a terrible decision by the manager and if Cashman is on board with it then he’s an idiot, and if he’s not on board then at some point he needs to step in.

  31. yankee21 May 5th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    It is hard to wrap my hands around the fact that the NYY are parading Chris Stewart as the team’s starting catcher after decades of having this position manned by legends. While at the same time keeping a guy on the bench that they said needs time to learn the staff but had no problem with inserting in as catcher a couple years back against the LAA when he didn’t have half the understanding of the pitchers he has now. So he was good enough to catch then in the middle of a pennant race but not good enough to catch now in early May?

    It is incomprehensible to me. Stewart is playing well but his track record suggests his offensive numbers are due for a major correction. I mean half of his ABs have looked futile- he literally has no chance as his swing may be one of the worst in the game. Somehow he is getting it done enough to make believers out of Girardi and Cashman I guess.

    This is not a knock on Stewart, he is what he is. It is just stunning the bar appears to have been set so low that NY actually thinks Stewart as a catcher for the Yankees is not only acceptable for a game here or there, but as the regular guy.

  32. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Joel Sherman@Joelsherman1 43m
    Girardi said Granderson is getting reps in LF/RF in Tampa and made sound like Gardner will stay in CF, but not definitive.
    ___
    Gardy may yet play CF when Grandy comes back.

  33. Chip May 5th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Joel Sherman@Joelsherman1 43m
    Girardi said Granderson is getting reps in LF/RF in Tampa and made sound like Gardner will stay in CF, but not definitive.
    ___
    Gardy may yet play CF when Grandy comes back.
    ————–

    The more pressing question is where/when will Wells play

  34. yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Chip, the binder will determine that.

  35. RadioKev May 5th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Girardi and Pena have no clue about catching.

    OK, how about this. The only argument I can see for starting Romine over Stewart is his bat. How much better does Romine’s bat have to be to compensate for his game calling and receiving skills right now?

    This team is so dependent on pitching, that we really do need the best catcher out there working the games. We win when our pitchers do well.

    Maybe if Romine was Posada it would be different, but he isn’t going to hit like Posada right now. There’s a 0% chance he does that. So let him work his way in as the back up until his game calling and receiving skills improve.

  36. yankee21 May 5th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Also good job by Girardi signaling to Chris Nelson that he earned the bench after going 0/4 yesterday. Failure is not acceptable for any player under 30 on the Yankees. If you have a rough first day you will see the bench.

    Way to build up confidence Joe in deference to a career .215 hitter in Nix.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Way to build up confidence Joe in deference to a career .215 hitter in Nix.
    ///

    plus bringing .650 career OPS to his role w/us primarily at 3B

  38. jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    yankeefeminista May 5th, 2013 at 11:20 am
    Joel Sherman@Joelsherman1 43m
    Girardi said Granderson is getting reps in LF/RF in Tampa and made sound like Gardner will stay in CF, but not definitive.
    ___
    Gardy may yet play CF when Grandy comes back.

    Hallelujah!

  39. jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    oh, btw, Stewart sucks! (I’ll take another homer)

  40. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I have to admit I’m torn about the Romine saga.

    If there is one position on the field that you don’t want an inexperienced rookie starting.. it’s catcher.

    On the other hand we are talking about replacing Chris Stewart.

    No surprise Cashman choose the safe, veteran with a pulse route.

    For a short period of time to allow Romine to pick up a few things, I grudgingly agree.

  41. fantasygame101 May 5th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    If andy complained, shame on andy. If he did not, shame on girardi thinking that andy was bothered. The problem here is not whether stewart is hitting or not, it is whether stewart is a legit starting catcher. What happens if stewart stop hitting and romine is out of sync bec. of no playing time, now they do not have a catcher that can hit.

  42. jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    It may be as much or more Girardi deciding how much Romine plays.

  43. jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Girardi always says that defense matters the most, so I don’t think how well Stewart/Romine hit is much of a factor.

  44. yankee21 May 5th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    I haven’t been that impressed with Gardner in CF but he is still a better CF than Granderson at this stage. And the BS excuse that Joe G used before to not put Grandy in LF since he couldn’t get the reps there in ST due to injury was BS just like a lot of stuff he says to the reporters.

    I have also not been impressed with Gardner overall especially on the base paths.

    Can Chad create a thread where we can have suitable opportunity to bash Gardner?

  45. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “It may be as much or more Girardi deciding how much Romine plays.”

    Could be, but I doubt it. Cashman pretty much admitted he’s micro-managing. I think often Joe gets the blame for things out of his control.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    This team is so dependent on pitching, that we really do need the best catcher out there working the games. We win when our pitchers do well.
    ///

    Romine’s got a learning curve to go through to be of help offensively, but this post provokes me nonetheless because of its absurd, ironic truth.

    Yeah, this team is pitching dependent to an unbalanced degree, and that’s because they made choices that created the current disposition. It’s so bad, that they know the lineup is not likely to bail out the pitching, so, in their minds, they have to compromise the lack they created with ill-conceived moves further, by playing a no-hit catcher.

    And this is presented as a kind of defense of their current moves, even though it goes unacknowledged that the reason this is “necessary” is because they ignored the lineup and let the offense get old. No good young bats, because of this, and now, well, that makes Chris Stewart compulsory. You think if Andy had Jorge and his “flawed” defense behind the plate, we’d see a “defense-first (and last)” catcher behind the plate?

    So many layers of wrong here, that in a way, this is right.

  47. Tar May 5th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    “I have also not been impressed with Gardner overall especially on the base paths.”

    Cano hitting behind him has been a huge factor in this.

  48. Crawdaddy May 5th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “Tar,

    Cashman has earned his criticism & his sniff dogs and bully boys can’t muzzle one from saying so.”

    The so-called Cashman Haters control this board so you’re the ones that are trying to place the muzzle on anybody trying to give Cashman some credit.

    Furthermore, Cashman has made his share of mistakes and I’m not happy at all with his overall output from his minor league system. This is his 8th season in control of baseball operations. He needs to do a lot better in player development for the Yankees. However, I have to give him credit for figuring out that Eiland wasn’t the right choice for Yankees pitching coach and hiring Rothschild. Rothschild is a pitching coach that gets his pitchers to pound the strike zone and pitch to their strengths. Furthermore, I’m glad he made a change at the minor league level with Gil Patterson.

    Cashman needs to do better, but he’s far from the disaster some of you have tried to convey here. Cashman might be a concern for some of you, but right now, I’m more worry about those above him as I find them more dangerous to the Yankees future.

  49. tucker May 5th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Pat M’s theory makes sense to me. Romine is charting the pitches, learning the pitchers’ tendencies.

    Stewart, of course, will need relief. He can’t catch every game. But I think Andy’s performance last game — punctuated by the fact that he could not get on the same page as Romine — influenced the decision to start Stewart.

    Romine will get his starts. He has to. Stewart won’t catch every game for six consecutive weeks. I normally favor allowing prospects time to develop. But I don’t see much evidence that Romine is an elite talent. His ceiling may be that of backup catcher.

  50. yankee21 May 5th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    I haven’t seen much of Romine over his years in the Yankee system that suggests he is starter catcher material- his bat is concerning. To me he seems to be a little more hype then substance. I hope I am wrong.

    OTOH JR Murphy who was also a 2nd rd pick similar to Romine appears to be the real goods- I hope he gets a real shot.

  51. Barry May 5th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Jeez — can’t anyone accept success without whining? Add this nearly paranoid fear of the future. Sounds like a new kind of religion.

  52. Madrugador May 5th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    The Yankees need to figure out what they have in Romine unless they already know. Play him or send him back to Scranton so he can play and develop. Keeping him on the bench is just a way of saying he’ll never amount to much.

  53. jacksquat May 5th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Of course the team is dependent on pitching. They lost 1B, SS, 3B, 3B, CF/LF and C, and only half of that could be age related.

  54. yankee21 May 5th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Tar, the excuse that Cano is batting behind Gardner is at this point an excuse to me.

    Yesterday, Cano took a FB dead center of the plate that appeared to me a direct result of Cano giving Gardner a chance to steal. Gardner as usual, as timid as a chipmunk, did not go. And Cano had a look on him like gee what is he waiting for…

    Gardner has to have all the stars aligned perfectly for him to run. There is nobody in the ML with his speed that uses it less effectively than Gardner does. Whether grounding into DP or camping out at 1B waiting for perfection in all the elements before taking off, he is a mystery.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    yankee21 May 5th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    I haven’t been that impressed with Gardner in CF but he is still a better CF than Granderson at this stage
    ///

    I’m not sure what we saw from Granderson last year wasn’t the product of overuse and eye issues, both of which, if so, are correctable. Gardner was hurt basically all year, and we had no one else to play CF. (Ichiro barely played there). He also missed so badly on some pitches that he may have had some vision issue that perhaps has been, or could be, corrected. Assuming that’s so, I would take 2010 and 2011 Granderson over Gardner in CF.

  56. shaman1993 May 5th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    From what I have seen, so far, I am not happy about the Romine situation either. But, the Yanks had no other catchers on the 40 man to bring up. The problem is that Romine needs to be playing, either here or in AAA and he’s doing neither. I very grudgingly agreed when they sent him to AAA after giving him no shot in ST, based on his missing almost all of last year, but they can’t say the kid needs to play every day and then bring him up here to sit five out of six games. When he does get back in, and possibly has issues as he hasn’t seen live pitching in over a week, they’ll yank him and say he needs to produce. They needed to have another catcher on the 40 man, so as not to have run into this problem.

  57. yankee21 May 5th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    J. Alfred,

    I’m not sure which Yankee announcer said it other than I know it wasn’t Kay, but it was pointed out that Gardner plays a deeper CF than Granderson likely due to his comfort coming in on fly balls and LD vs. Granderson who was good at going back on balls in play vs. coming in. I tend to agree.

    Two didfferent styles but overall I like Gardner in CF due to his range. The Yankees may want to have Gardner in LF at YS because of the size and CF on the road once Granderson comes back but we’ll see.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Huh? Nearly all of those players were the reason the lineup needed to get younger in the first place, because of slowing bat speed and sucky approach & vulnerability to offspeed (Jeter is an exception) and a predisposition to getting hurt.

    The guys that replaced them have been actually better at not doing too much and going with pitches, but it’s a weak lineup and continues to be so because of choices made that they handcuffed themselves with.

    They don’t get a pass for losing players who were the problem to begin with, the same guys swinging out of their shoes all year and the same guys who were so painlessly and thoroughly dismissed, to the point of being completely uncompetitive, by Detroit pitching in the ALCS.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock May 5th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Yankee21, I think Gardner’s best suited to LF, but I think the Yankees may see it your way.

    For me, he’s not good enough on retreat for me to feel his coast-to-coast range and coming in compensate enough. I thought he could improve on that, and he has to some degree, but not enough to make me feel secure when the ball is hit over his head.

    Any way, if Granderson’s being tried on the corners, then the Yankees either feel he’s lost a step or they don’t think Gardner’s backflight issues are a big enough deal.

  60. tucker May 5th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    The bottom line is they need two catchers on the roster. Injuries forced Romine’s premature promotion to the bigs. That doesn’t mean he deserves a majority of starts when he gets to the bigs. The goal is to win games in this division, which will be tight.

  61. comnsnse May 5th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    If Romine doesn’t play he has no value either to the Yanks or in a trade.

    Prospective buyers want to see the merchandise in action to make an informed decision.

    Sort of like buying a used car?

  62. comnsnse May 5th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Pru, you are correct in your assessment of Gardner, he remains a suspect both as a MLB CF or as an offensive plus!

    He should be ordered to bunt once per game and if not successful sit him.

    On the cusp of his thirties he has been a disappointment to date and will be moved if he does not better exploit his natural gifts

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