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The ones who got away

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 06, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

David Aardsma

Checking in on a few familiar names and faces…

David Aardsma
Released at the end of spring training, the veteran reliever signed a minor league deal with the Marlins and has been hit-or-miss in Triple-A. Last time out, he got only two outs, gave up two home runs and walked two batters. The two outings before that, he pitched a total of three scoreless innings. The outing before that: Three hits, two walks and two runs in one inning. The three outings before that: A total of 4.1 scoreless innings with one hit. All told, Aardsma’s pitched nine innings with six strikeouts, six walks and eight hits in the hitter-friendly PCL.

Abe Almonte
The Yankees finally invited Almonte to big league camp, but he never actually showed up this spring. Almonte was traded to the Mariners for Shawn Kelley, ending a Yankees tenure that occasionally showed some potential. The Mariners have sent Almonte back to Double-A, where he’s split time between center and right field. He’s hit pretty well — .268/.381/.451 with four stolen bases and three homers; hit for the cycle this week — but repeating Double-A suggests he’s just as overshadowed in the Mariners system as he would have been with the Yankees.

Russ Canzler
Remember this guy? He never actually spent a day in a Yankees uniform — not even in the minors — but he was on the 40-man for quite a while this winter before becoming an unavoidable casualty of the team’s roster crunch. Canzler has spent all year with the Orioles’ Triple-A affiliate where he’s hit .272/.402/.485 while getting time at first, third and left field. He’s hit .478/.613/1.000 against lefties. Turns out, he might have been a perfect fit for the Yankees roster after all.

5be63752f7d4d90e300f6a7067000be0Eric Chavez
The Yankees didn’t re-sign Chavez this offseason, and with Kevin Youkilis on the disabled list, Chavez suddenly looks awfully good again. He’s hitting .262/.324/.492 with the Diamondbacks, but his splits are pretty extreme (he has just six at-bats against lefties). He’s been, basically, a third-base version of Lyle Overbay. And you have to wonder, would the Yankees have signed Overbay if they had Chavez on the roster?

Chris Dickerson
After six games in Triple-A, the Orioles called up Dickerson to serve almost exclusively as a bench player (he’s had just three starts in almost a full month on the roster). When he’s played, Dickerson has hit .308/.357/.308. His biggest downside with the Yankees was always the fact he’s a left-handed hitter in a left-leaning outfield. The Yankees wouldn’t have much more playing time for him than the Orioles have given him.

Freddy Garcia
After opening the season in Triple-A, Garcia returned to the big leagues on Saturday and was terrific for the Orioles. Garcia pitched 6.2 innings against the Angels, allowing two runs on three hits. Through five starts in the minor leagues, he was 4-0 with a 2.67 ERA.

George Kontos
Traded to San Francisco in last spring’s Chris Stewart deal, Kontos emerged as a reliable middle reliever with the Giants. He’s back in the big leagues this year with a 0.94 WHIP (that might feel a little overshadowed by his 4.76 ERA). Given the Yankees current bullpen situation, Kontos would probably be a key late-inning reliever at the moment. But then again, the guy he was traded for is currently the everyday catcher.

Russell Martin
Off to an unthinkably bad start, Martin was hitting just .103 a little more than two weeks into the season. He’s since gotten red hot and is hitting .272/.362/.543 for the year. Interestingly, the Pirates have started Martin at third base twice this season, including last night. He leads the team in home runs and is second to Andrew McCutchen in doubles.

58c8e9e0c5cbf70d2f0f6a70670013fcJesus Montero
The Mariners have given Montero the bulk of the playing time at catcher, but not overwhelmingly. Montero has basically the same number of at-bats as Jayson Nix, while backup Kelly Shoppach has basically the same number of at-bats as Chris Stewart. But it seems fair to wonder how much longer the Mariners will stick with Montero, who’s hitting just .203/.250/.324 with two homers and just one double this season. His OPS is barely better than Eduardo Nunez’s.

Raul Ibanez
I’m breaking from the alphabetical thing only because it makes sense to list Ibanez next to Montero. As bad as Montero has been this season, there are three Mariners with a lower OPS. One is defensive shortstop Brennan Ryan, another is utility infielder Robert Andino, and the other is Ibanez who’s been awful with a .167/.231/.333 slash line. He does have five extra-base hits and a .388 slugging percentage against righties, but can you imagine if the Yankees had Ibanez instead of Travis Hafner at the DH position?

Hector Noesi
The other guy the Yankees sent to Seattle in the Michael Pineda trade, Noesi was awful last year and was sent to Double-A to start this season, but he was called back to the big leagues after two scoreless starts. His first three outings back with Seattle were strong, but he just allowed six hits and three runs through two innings on Sunday. The Yankees have essentially replaced him with David Phelps, Adam Warren and Vidal Nuno — take your pick — so it’s hard to say Noesi is missed at this point.

Ramiro Pena
More or less forgotten since the arrival of Eduardo Nunez, Pena became a free agent over the winter and landed a major league deal with the Braves who made him their utility infielder. Playing quite a bit of late-inning third base — with a few starts at second base and shortstop — Pena has actually delivered a .300/.404/.450 slash line. Not sure he can actually keep up that pace, but the numbers are awfully good so far.

Juan Rivera
Cut at the very end of spring training — the Yankees essentially preferred to keep Lyle Overbay and Ben Francisco — Rivera was out of work for a full month before signing a minor league deal with the Diamondbacks. He was sent to extended spring training and has yet to get into a game of record.

Nick Swisher
Still drawing a lot of walks, Swisher has been an on-base threat for the Indians, but he hasn’t hit for his usual power. He has three homers, six doubles and a .418 slugging percentage as the Indians regular clean-up hitter and first baseman. He had three doubles on April 20, but has just one extra-base hit — a home run — since then.

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150 Responses to “The ones who got away”

  1. Carly May 6th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    Carly-Stone,

    That did not answer my question. What is your deal with this “Carly-Stone”? You can either ignore me, or If you want to talk baseball, then please cut it out. I am asking you politely. You have now done this four or five times.

  2. Mike in Harrisburg May 6th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Interesting post. Not to rehash the aged Montero debates but I think he still has the most potential on that list to be something the current Yankee squad would really miss. I think Swisher, going against the grain as always, will be one of those rare players who benefited from the bright lights of the Bronx (at least, until the playoffs).

  3. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Carly-Stone, I answered you in previous thread. I don’t care about your game playing, dude. But Zoilo has issues; you’d know that if you weren’t moored in Texas :D .

  4. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    I’m happy for “Jalapeno”. Even so, April just ended ;)

  5. Carly May 6th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
    Carly-Stone

    Again, please stop, this is getting real weird.

  6. Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Damage control in 3-2-1…

  7. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Someone is going to trade for Montero and put him in a hitters park in a winning situation, and like Ichiro before him, he will prove to be better than the haters who ignore or don’t understand park factors think.

  8. Tar May 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    I wish Chad would just out all these multiple screen names amongst us. No respect for that all.

    J Alfred I’m sure you have your reasons, but I’m not feeling this Stone-Carly connection. I can’t remember 1bad post by Carly. Now OM is another story.

    Have to run, catch everybody later.

  9. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Tar

    They out themselves repeatedly.

  10. Shame Spencer May 6th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Sometimes this blog is like Sybil but with less interesting personalities..

  11. Tar May 6th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    1 more thing, when Bret was recently banned( second time) wasn’t he using 2 screen names and according to Chad having a conversation with himself?

    Gotta run

  12. Shame Spencer May 6th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Tar May 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    I wish Chad would just out all these multiple screen names amongst us.

    ———————-

    It does seem discriminatory that Bret has been the only one publicly outted. Maybe Chad really likes Gardner….

  13. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Well I guess this solidifies Cashman’s genius status! Not!

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Rich,

    Too bad the Yankees aren’t smart enough to buy low on him, but then again, they weren’t smart enough to keep him.

  15. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    JAP

    Although it could change, this manager isn’t willing to give Romine a little PT over a journey like Stew.

    Martin has at least been a starter, so he had no chance.

    It was just risky to trade him for Pineda instead of Gio or especially offense.

    But I stand by what I said. Montero will be a big hitter for some team.

  16. ac1 May 6th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Let’s be real on Montero. Like the deal or not based on his numbers this year, we all know there is NO CHANCE he only hits .200 for us. Playing for the Mariners is like the death blow for offensive players.

  17. Mike in Harrisburg May 6th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    I wonder, if Zunino were tearing it up for Seattle in the minors, whether that’s something they would actually entertain.

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Rich,

    I agree that “big hitting” is in that kid’s future.

  19. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Perhaps a symposium is in order to discuss why posters use multiple names.

    One school of thought is they are insecure and need self created “joiners” to support their generally dysfunctional comments.

    Another pov is that they actually believe they’re clever and getting over on others.

    We could go on but the view I personally favor is that they are lonely cretins living in Mom’s basement who seek comfort in role playing with alter ego imaginary “friends”!

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    I concur with Shame, not very interesting personalities – and therefore too much time already wasted talking about them. Mea culpa, I’m done.

  21. fantasygame101 May 6th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Kontos for stewart is a steal for the Yankees. We got a starting catcher while they have a good reliever who helped them win last yr. But the best steal is the granderson trade while giving up kennedy and ajax.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg, maybe eventually, but I think they’ll remain patient with him because they want to cash in on the bat.

  23. Chad Jennings May 6th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 3:04 pm e
    Tar

    They out themselves repeatedly.

    They really do.

    Like our friend Carly, who’s posting with one of several IP addresses that Stoneburner used for much of last year and into 2011. She’s using an email address remarkably similar to Stoneburner’s as well.

    But that’s probably just a coincidence, because Carly says she doesn’t understand the “Carly-Stone” nickname.

  24. Jerkface May 6th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    We got a starting catcher

    We got the current starting catcher, not ‘a starting catcher’. Stewart is not a real starter.

  25. Jerkface May 6th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Chad is the Sherlock Holmes of LOHUD and Chad’s Girls are the new female watson.

  26. luis May 6th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    Perhaps a symposium is in order to discuss why posters use multiple names.

    One school of thought is they are insecure and need self created “joiners” to support their generally dysfunctional comments.

    Another pov is that they actually believe they’re clever and getting over on others.

    We could go on but the view I personally favor is that they are lonely cretins living in Mom’s basement who seek comfort in role playing with alter ego imaginary “friends”!

    ==================================

    This…. Or maybe it is their way to have fun by being disruptive, since they have nothing better to do, with a rather selective memory and misrepresentation of facts or opinions… Obviously they have no life or it is so empty, that they need to try to make other people as miserable as they are…. Trolling is the epitome of a loser… Therefore, let them be… Ignoring them is the best way to go

  27. fantasygame101 May 6th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    jerkface.

    Girardi disagrees.

  28. astrocityfan May 6th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    i love these additions of As the Blog Turns! its what keeps me coming back!

    i think ill set up another screen name so i can argue with myself about the montero pineda trade. or maybe star trek vs star wars…..

  29. Russell Munson May 6th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Chad, you have to let us know who ObviousMan is.

  30. astrocityfan May 6th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    jerk,
    speaking of sherlock have you seen the bbc show? now that is something worth discussing. Just a brillant show.

  31. Jerkface May 6th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    speaking of sherlock have you seen the bbc show? now that is something worth discussing. Just a brillant show.

    No, its on back log.

  32. luis May 6th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Russell Munson May 6th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    Chad, you have to let us know who ObviousMan is.

    ======================

    Isn’t it Obvious? ;)

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    primo,

    Posting about the team and its construction, happiness/unhappiness with management is kind of how blogs and sports dialogue works. People objecting to that, devoting most of their energy to “corrective” posting or discussing other posters derisively, whether the consensus is that the deriders are “respectable” regulars, or not, these are the ones I generally ignore.

  34. Shame Spencer May 6th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    CHAD!!

    Kicking ass and taking names, brother, I love it!

  35. astrocityfan May 6th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Chad came to kick a$$ and chew bubblegum. And he is all out of gum.

  36. Shame Spencer May 6th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Jerkface May 6th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Chad is the Sherlock Holmes of LOHUD and Chad’s Girls are the new female watson.

    ————–

    Chad and I always have had a uniquely close relationship (in my mind).

    Cumberbatch’s face kinda scares me. Chad’s so much more adorable.

  37. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Chad is blushing somewhere…

  38. randy l. May 6th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    zunino is hitting .202 at triple a in about 100 at bats.

    he’s 22.

    just maybe he needs some time at triple a. he may even need a whole season.

    he does seem to be the real deal and is playing well defensively.

    seattle has a good problem on where they’re going at the catcher position.

  39. astrocityfan May 6th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    But cumberpatch is a fantastic holmes. He was almost the 12th dr insread of mat smith. IMO it would have been much better casting.
    i would highly recommend sherlock though if anyone is interested. Very modern but still definately in the spirit of the originals stories.

  40. Russell Munson May 6th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    “Isn’t it Obvious? ”

    I thought it was, but this Carly situation has confused me.

  41. luis May 6th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    primo,

    Posting about the team and its construction, happiness/unhappiness with management is kind of how blogs and sports dialogue works. People objecting to that, devoting most of their energy to “corrective” posting or discussing other posters derisively, whether the consensus is that the deriders are “respectable” regulars, or not, these are the ones I generally ignore.

    ====================

    I understand you… But at least they have an opinion ( whether I agree with them or not ) and they show their face to stand by their comments… This multiples use their different screen names to sabotage the flow of conversation..

  42. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    I always look forward to “the ones that got away” feature here.
    I don’t really keep current with the ex players, so Chad’s post gets me up to speed.
    Shocked that Montero has yet to take off in Seattle.
    Not shocked that Aardsma is very inconsistent. Yankees did the right thing letting him go.

  43. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    “seattle has a good problem on where they’re going at the catcher position.”

    One the Yankees have prematurely truncated (although conceivably Cervelli and Romine could both be productive at year’s end), but they could have it again at a higher level of talent in a couple of years, if they don’t do something short-sighted again.

  44. luis May 6th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    randy l. May 6th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    zunino is hitting .202 at triple a in about 100 at bats.

    he’s 22.

    just maybe he needs some time at triple a. he may even need a whole season.

    he does seem to be the real deal and is playing well defensively.

    seattle has a good problem on where they’re going at the catcher position.

    =================================

    Yes, they have multiple options

  45. luis May 6th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
    “seattle has a good problem on where they’re going at the catcher position.”

    One the Yankees have prematurely truncated (although conceivably Cervelli and Romine could both be productive at year’s end), but they could have it again at a higher level of talent in a couple of years, if they don’t do something short-sighted again.

    =============================

    If their track record can be construed as an indication of what is going to happen… Then They will be traded for Matt Garza ;)

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    This multiples use their different screen names to sabotage the flow of conversation..
    ///

    Yeah but they’re just so impotent and their posts lack any cleverness or even cohesiveness. We could just ignore them, rather than feed them. They have zero entertainment factor, zero effectiveness. Their food is attention.

  47. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    luis

    Gallows humor aside, he’s a FA at the end of the season, right? We already have one of those who needs to be addressed first.

  48. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 6th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Hi Chad.

    Pruf, re: Maruszak, agreed. Cito Culver’s hitting .212 (but has 3 homers) for the RiverDogs; that’s fairly exciting. In all seriousness, do we have ANY depth at SS beyond Jeter, Nix and Nunie??

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Guys,

    Remember Cashman said he loads up on hitting catchers because “teams are always looking for them,” rather than, because we recognize what plus offense at the catcher position can do for you, since we’ve historically reaped its benefits.

    They’re trade chips for more pitching.

  50. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Luis, excellent advice.

    Pru, while it is a sport’s blog there is no requirement that off topic commentary can not be discussed.

    If I read you correctly after complaining about someone’s posts you now seek to remain “above the fray” taking the perceived “higher road”?

    Good for you but let’s not be judgemental of others when they comment on something you initiated..

    Have a good day.

  51. luis May 6th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    luis

    Gallows humor aside, he’s a FA at the end of the season, right? We already have one of those who needs to be addressed first.

    ===================

    I agree…. He should have been extended last season as Randy suggested many times… Now, he may be out of our price range…

  52. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Alfred-
    Of course they are trade chips. Very smart of Cashman to stock up on hitting catchers
    that can be traded for a team need in the future.
    Listen, a team can only have 1 starting catcher. The back-up has to know his role and not be a distraction by asking to play more.

  53. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 6th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    astro, good idea. Perhaps I will create a second user name using a different Wilco album as inspiration and connect it to the yahoo email address I have that is very similar to my current user name, then I argue with myself about the cut of Tex’ jib :D

  54. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    MLB should consider getting rid of the DH if only as thought experiment to see if Cashman values pitchers who can hit.

  55. randy l. May 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    luis,

    the time to extend hughes was when he was in a down period. that’s just good business.

  56. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    “Very smart of Cashman to stock up on hitting catchers
    that can be traded for a team need in the future.”

    It’s only smart if you keep one because right now, it’s a pressing current need.

  57. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    the time to extend hughes was when he was in a down period. that’s just good business.
    ============================
    you are an idealist, nothing wrong with that, but really who does this?
    did you ever think Hughes would tell them to take a hike? (no MTU retort please)

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    yankeehotel, no SS’s at the upper levels, I’m afraid.

    I saw Cito last week in Lakewood and liked his ABs. They say he looks to pull the ball too much but he’s just learning how to deal with RHP as an exclusively RHB for the first time, and I saw him shorten up and go up the middle for one of his three hits.

  59. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    “Very smart of Cashman to stock up on hitting catchers
    that can be traded for a team need in the future.”
    ==============================
    you guys have a posada complex, get you r heads out of your collective monteros.

  60. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    randy l. May 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    luis,

    the time to extend hughes was when he was in a down period. that’s just good business.

    ========================

    Yup…That ship has sailed..

  61. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    randy l. May 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    luis,

    the time to extend hughes was when he was in a down period. that’s just good business.
    —————————————————————————————————————–
    thanks for the laugh. every MLB GM is also laughing at your comment.
    please continue!

  62. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    MLB should consider getting rid of the DH if only as thought experiment to see if Cashman values pitchers who can hit.

    =======================

    Talking about gallows humor… This is hilarious!! :D

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Alfred-
    Of course they are trade chips. Very smart of Cashman to stock up on hitting catchers
    ///

    If Posada were coming up through the system now, Cashman and Girardi would have him dangling on the end of a pole, and be casting around for more pitching.

  64. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
    “Very smart of Cashman to stock up on hitting catchers
    that can be traded for a team need in the future.”

    It’s only smart if you keep one because right now, it’s a pressing current need.
    —————————————————————————————————————-
    Yankees so far have kept one-Austin Romine. Because of his reputation as a great defensive catcher, he was kept and not traded like Montero. Plus, Montero had all the hype behind his name and the very high prospect ranking that further added his trade value.
    Romine would probably be the starting catcher right now if not for the back injury that cost
    him most of 2012. In my mind, he is a year behind, so having Cervelli and Stewart as the two catchers in 2013 is fine by me.
    Martin was going to cost too much $$ and stunt the progress of Romine.

  65. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    who are all these hitting catchers they have traded?
    can’t think of one.

  66. Nick in SF May 6th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    “The biggest mistake made with the Internet is allowing anonymous comments. People act like the Vandals or the Huns. Teenage girls are bullied. People post nude pictures without consent. It’s a complete junk medium.”

    – T-Bone Burnett

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Pru, while it is a sport’s blog there is no requirement that off topic commentary can not be discussed.

    ///

    Yeah, don’t think I said or even implied that OT discussion was to be discouraged. I enjoy the organic offshoot discussions here very much. Not what I said at all.

  68. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    “Romine would probably be the starting catcher right now if not for the back injury that cost”

    But he had a back injury for two consecutive years. So until one establishes himself, I’m not sure how it makes sense to trade any.

    “Martin was going to cost too much $$ and stunt the progress of Romine.”

    Cashman wanted him back. Levine didn’t.

  69. bruceb May 6th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Francesa: Thees teem could take ah nosedive in tha next tree weeks. Which is tha injerry that breaks da back of da franchize?

    He’s right you know.

  70. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 6th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Oy!! I guess the Dante Bichette Jr. (who’s now moved to 3B apparently) thing is going to be a bust too…not good.

    Btw, I’m confused about one thing: the “E” on the far right (next to OPS) doesn’t stand for errors, does it??

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....38;cid=531

  71. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
    the time to extend hughes was when he was in a down period. that’s just good business.
    ============================
    you are an idealist, nothing wrong with that, but really who does this?
    did you ever think Hughes would tell them to take a hike? (no MTU retort please)

    ================================

    Sorry to cut in… Every smart business man that knows how his particular business works does this… It was obvious that even if Hughes didn’t develop another swing and miss offering ( slider ), he was a solid #3-4 SP… So signing him on the cheap would have been a good business decision, not to mention that it would have brought more certainty to our pitching staff heading in to 2014 and beyond… Now, He is probably out of our price range.

    On the second question… Maybe he says no… But at least they tried…

  72. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Alfred-
    Of course they are trade chips. Very smart of Cashman to stock up on hitting catchers
    ///

    If Posada were coming up through the system now, Cashman and Girardi would have him dangling on the end of a pole, and be casting around for more pitching.
    ———————————————————————————————————
    I don’t know about that. I did some research on Posada and he was not considered a “top notch/can’t miss” prospect.
    Posada spent 3 years in AAA. That right there tells me something about how much value
    Posada would have had in a trade.
    No chance anybody on the team/organization anticipated that Posada would become one of the best catchers in his era.
    Posada was a surprise. A welcomed surprise.

  73. Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    This article piece is about garbage Cashman brought to the landfill. And the focus in the thread is about Internet multiple personality disorder. It’s like I said, damage control. And I never created “FireTheUmpire” to disrupt the flow of any conversation, I merely did it to defend “Bret The Hitman” who was the only poster who Chad has ever banned for telling a joke that mocks southern culture like Sacha Baron Cohen who is Jewish had that antisemitic scene in Borat. He wasn’t trying to stir hate or violence he was revealing how absurd it is. But you have to be a sophisticated thinker to understand that kind of humor. Cohen went to Cambridge or some other prestigious college and studied psychology. Chad gave no warning. I was wrongfully portrayed as a violent person by a bunch of safely anonymous cowards on the internet. And now I’m posting as this ID because I know my stance against Montero influenced the group of posters who complained about me to Chad, so this is the Monstero you created, the Internet boogeyman. Boo hoo hoo.

    -Buster

  74. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Nick, what kind of a computer do you have?

    I have seen no naked women on this blog teen age or otherwise.

    Why are only some posters receiving this material? ;)

  75. randy l. May 6th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    “thanks for the laugh. every MLB GM is also laughing at your comment.”

    so you’ve been around gms enough to know what they laugh at?

    interesting:)

  76. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 6th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I can’t think of what else it could stand for (especially since it’s in the batting section) and Rob Segedin has 9 of them!!

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....38;cid=567

  77. jacksquat May 6th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
    Someone is going to trade for Montero and put him in a hitters park in a winning situation, and like Ichiro before him, he will prove to be better than the haters who ignore or don’t understand park factors think.

    So far this year he is hitting much better at that home park that is supposedly killing him than he is on the road, .728 home vs .440 road.

  78. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    On the second question… Maybe he says no… But at least they tried…
    =============================
    and you know they didn’t?

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    I don’t know about that. I did some research on Posada and he was not considered a “top notch/can’t miss” prospect.
    Posada spent 3 years in AAA. That right there tells me something about how much value
    Posada would have had in a trade.
    No chance anybody on the team/organization anticipated that Posada would become one of the best catchers in his era.
    Posada was a surprise. A welcomed surprise.
    ///

    Posada started as a 2B and was later moved to catcher. Stick had to talk George out of dealing Posada, so the Yankees had an inkling that Posada was going to be a hitting catcher.

  80. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Jesus, I for one love your varied and interesting observations.

    Everyone has the inalienable right to be foolish occasionally!

    However your anti Montero posts do get annoying.

    Jesus saves! ;)

  81. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    randy l. May 6th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    “thanks for the laugh. every MLB GM is also laughing at your comment.”

    so you’ve been around gms enough to know what they laugh at?

    interesting:)
    ————————————————————————————————————
    i’ve been around the game long enough to recognize a very funny comment posted
    here that makes very little sense.
    as if a team like the Yankees would be interested in extending Hughes at a point in his career when he is not performing at a high level-c’mon man, that does not make sense or good
    business.
    is the goal to save $$ or is the goal to win games?

  82. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    WTP,

    Read my comment to mick… If you know your particular business, you can identify opportunities… Signing Hughes when he was struggling was one of them… So I wouldn’t laugh

  83. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 6th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    I don’t know about that. I did some research on Posada and he was not considered a “top notch/can’t miss” prospect.
    Posada spent 3 years in AAA. That right there tells me something about how much value
    Posada would have had in a trade.
    No chance anybody on the team/organization anticipated that Posada would become one of the best catchers in his era.
    Posada was a surprise. A welcomed surprise.
    ///

    Posada started as a 2B and was later moved to catcher. Stick had to talk George out of dealing Posada, so the Yankees had an inkling that Posada was going to be a hitting catcher.
    ————————————————————————————————————
    Alfred-All I’m trying to say is Posada was not a top prospect. He spent 3 years in AAA.
    I’m sure the team had an inkling that he might turn into a hitting catcher, but they still got very lucky with Posada.
    After 3 years in AAA, he was ripe to be traded and also ripe to have an average career
    in the big leagues.

  84. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Signing Hughes when he was struggling was one of them… So I wouldn’t laugh

    ====================================
    Again, why would hughes take a low ball offer? please reply.

  85. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    WTP,

    Old George tried to trade Mo and Po for Wells ( David ) Stick stopped it… Obviously he knew what he had in them…

  86. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Pru, however Posada was headed to Texas for Rodriguez until I Rod decided to not move.

  87. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    So far this year he is hitting much better at that home park that is supposedly killing him than he is on the road, .728 home vs .440 road.
    _

    AB
    34 H
    40 R

    That means absolutely NOTHING.

  88. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    WTP,

    Read my comment to mick… If you know your particular business, you can identify opportunities… Signing Hughes when he was struggling was one of them… So I wouldn’t laugh
    ————————————————————————————————————
    Sorry, but the idea still does not make much sense to me.
    Imagine the backlash the Media & Fans would have unloaded on the team if Hughes
    was extended during a period where Hughes was not pitcher very well.
    Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
    Hughes had put together a couple strong starts and now there are some who believe he will cost the team too much $$ and be gone.
    Are these the team people who wanted him off the team when he was being knocked around during his 1st start last month?
    So many “fans” here treat the team like a video game. It’s hilarious!

  89. Nick in SF May 6th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    I have a Toshiba laptop and I posted that T-Bone Burnett quote because I found it somewhat interesting/amusing, but it was not meant to be an endorsement.

    I do, however, endorse T-Bone Burnett’s production of Elvis Costello’s “King of America” record, with the qualifier that some of EC’s vocals sound a little ‘breathy’ if that makes sense. “Suit of Lights” is a particular favorite.

  90. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Mick,

    It would have leaked to the press… Like most conversations like this leak… I wasn’t talking about low balling him, just a team friendly extension… You give him security and at the same time, you get a discount… Now, 4 years at 50 mil seem the starting point if he keeps pitching the way he is ( I think he will )

  91. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    It really not about what we say about what they should offer Hughes. The point is that it’s hard to deny that beginning negotiations makes sense.

  92. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Nice to see a photo of ARod(finally). I still support the man 100%. Do I have a reason not
    to?
    Arod has a chance to help this team win some more games and hopefully another WS.
    If he ever needs the fans to support him, right now is that time.

  93. Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Jesus, I for one love your varied and interesting observations.

    Everyone has the inalienable right to be foolish occasionally!

    However your anti Montero posts do get annoying.

    Jesus saves!

    ______________

    Well I’m tickled and delighted to be understood. I think we all are. I consider myself a colorful personality. But my anti Montero posts are a check on the balance of power. With this ID I can write unique content on any observation or topic totally unrelated to Jesus Montero. The bashing is baked into the post beforehand. Yes I feel clever.

  94. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Honestly gents, what has Phil Hughes done to warrant the unending discussion of his FA year?

    He is still the guy with average MLB stuff who has been inconsistent his entire career.

    If he has a great year, shows consistency he will be a valued FA.

    If!

  95. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
    It really not about what we say about what they should offer Hughes. The point is that it’s hard to deny that beginning negotiations makes sense.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    There is so much that happens behind the scenes. Conversations that fans like us will
    never have knowledge of happening. Which is why I don’t pay much attention to what could have been, should have been, etc…..Those situations are out of my control.
    I just learned over the weekend that Joe Montana was almost traded for the right to
    Dan Marino in ’83. We are talking about Montana. So anything is possible and just because a discussion of a trade pops up, does not mean the trade would be a smart move.

  96. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    Honestly gents, what has Phil Hughes done to warrant the unending discussion of his FA year?

    He is still the guy with average MLB stuff who has been inconsistent his entire career.

    If he has a great year, shows consistency he will be a valued FA.

    If!
    ——————————————————————————————————
    Only because he most recently pitched 8 shutout innings, suddenly his right arm is now a cy young contender, LOL!!!
    Seriously, Phil Hughes has to show me that he can put together a solid season before there is a serious discussion about signing him to be a Yankee for a few more years.
    I do hope he does very well and helps the team win a lot of games this season. I certainly am not cheering for him to fail.

  97. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    WTP,

    Read my comment to mick… If you know your particular business, you can identify opportunities… Signing Hughes when he was struggling was one of them… So I wouldn’t laugh
    ————————————————————————————————————
    Sorry, but the idea still does not make much sense to me.
    Imagine the backlash the Media & Fans would have unloaded on the team if Hughes
    was extended during a period where Hughes was not pitcher very well.
    Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
    Hughes had put together a couple strong starts and now there are some who believe he will cost the team too much $$ and be gone.
    Are these the team people who wanted him off the team when he was being knocked around during his 1st start last month?
    So many “fans” here treat the team like a video game. It’s hilarious!

    ==============================

    I know a thing or two about businesses…Believe me, I am always looking for that opportunity (to buy low)… If they fear the media and the fans backlash ( for a good long term option ), then they do not deserve to be running the organization.

    And Hughes has been improving consistently since last season… The only reason he struggled at the gate this season is because he was rushed from his injury… Three quality starts in a row, not allowing a single homer… He will have his clunkers here and there ( that’s the nature of the beast ), but overall he will be a consistent 15 game winnerfor years to come.

  98. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Bustero, have I inadvertently contributed to your escalating “Monsterism”?

    Or is it Monteroism?

    Dare to be foolish and carefree, jest away! ;)

  99. Bo knows May 6th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    I’m not convinced on Hughes. It’s the same shtick with one different secondary pitch. It’s still the four seamer and now the slider. Before, it was the cutter, prior to that the CB. The CB and CU have fallen by the wayside. He’s still 70% FB. If he’s 93-95 and the FB is moving – looks great. Otherwise no.

    Yes, he might have success with two pitches. He’s doing that now and has done so in the past. Let’s see what happens.

  100. Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “There is so much that happens behind the scenes. Conversations that fans like us will never have knowledge of happening. Which is why I don’t pay much attention to what could have been, should have been, etc…..Those situations are out of my control.”

    Well sure, we have imperfect knowledge, but we do know that Hughes is their only current starter who is both young and has shown signs of significant upside, and we also know that they can virtually print money. We also know that they have had tremendous difficulty developing really good starting pitchers. If they have finally developed one, how could they risk letting him get away. So taken together, the case for beginning negotiations now is virtually irrefutable.

    _

    “I just learned over the weekend that Joe Montana was almost traded for the right to Dan Marino in ’83. We are talking about Montana. So anything is possible and just because a discussion of a trade pops up, does not mean the trade would be a smart move.”

    That’s at least double hearsay, but even if true, there would be no losers since both were all-time greats.

  101. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Luis-
    I just think we should agree to disagree.
    So now that Hughes has pitched 3 quality starts in a row, the guy has earned the right
    to hang around
    What if Hughes puts together 3 poor starts in a row-Will be fans turn on him like
    they have in the past?
    Hughes has suffered from a career that can be best described as “inconsistent”.
    I know about his injury this year and sure that might have contributed to his slow start.
    I’m just not entirely sold that Hughes has turned the corner for good because if you ask me,
    he only has command of 1 pitch-the fastball.
    Where is the elite command of his curve, his slider, his change? Usually a top flight starter
    has more than 1 pitch they can throw for a strike on a 3-2 count.

  102. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Hyperbole again… Nobody has said “Cy Young candidate”… He is a solid number 3 or 4… That’s a valuable asset as average as you may think his stuff is.

  103. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Luis-
    So how much $$ & years should the Yankees offer Hughes for
    his number 3 or 4 starter stuff?

  104. Chad Jennings May 6th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 4:14 pm e
    This article piece is about garbage Cashman brought to the landfill. And the focus in the thread is about Internet multiple personality disorder. It’s like I said, damage control. And I never created “FireTheUmpire” to disrupt the flow of any conversation, I merely did it to defend “Bret The Hitman” who was the only poster who Chad has ever banned for telling a joke that mocks southern culture like Sacha Baron Cohen who is Jewish had that antisemitic scene in Borat. He wasn’t trying to stir hate or violence he was revealing how absurd it is. But you have to be a sophisticated thinker to understand that kind of humor. Cohen went to Cambridge or some other prestigious college and studied psychology. Chad gave no warning. I was wrongfully portrayed as a violent person by a bunch of safely anonymous cowards on the internet. And now I’m posting as this ID because I know my stance against Montero influenced the group of posters who complained about me to Chad, so this is the Monstero you created, the Internet boogeyman. Boo hoo hoo.

    -Buster

    —-

    And you notice that I’ve never tried to ban this new name of yours because, honestly, I don’t think you’re a bad guy and I don’t dislike you, and as long as you hang around and talk baseball — whatever your opinion — it’s fine with me.

    But the truth of what Cohen was able to do with Borat had nothing to do with his audience, it had to do with Cohen. It’s in the medium and the execution. It’s in knowing how to present the satire so that those who get it will enjoy it and those who don’t get it won’t care or matter.

    I’m sure your joke about hitting a woman wasn’t intended as something offensive — maybe you did mean it as satire of southern culture — but it was up to you to know the context in which you presented that joke. It was up to you to understand that a joke of that nature, presented straight forward in the comments of a public newspaper’s blog, would not come across as anything but hateful and would most certainly get you banned. There was no other way for me to react.

    You came back with a new name, and it was fine with me as long as things stayed civil. If you attempt it, you’ll find that I never banned the IP address or the email address used for FiretheUMPIRE. As far as I could tell, the worst thing you ever did with that new name was to engage in a fake conversation with yourself, and once people knew that was you, I didn’t see the harm in having you communicate as a poster known to be both FTU and BTH. But you chose not to explain yourself or engage in conversation. You were outed and disappeared into this new name.

    Now, with this new name, you’re somehow connecting your opinion about Jesus Montero to my decision to ban a screen name that posted a joke about punching a woman in the eye.

    Just be civil, folks. That’s all anyone can ask. Give your opinions. Agree and disagree. Debate back and forth. Take things off topic if that’s where the conversation goes. It’s all fine with me, just don’t be ugly to one another, don’t be mean, don’t make things personal, and don’t post things that clearly don’t belong in a public forum like this one.

  105. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    WTP,

    Ok… We disagree…

  106. Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    No, the only escalation of this very boring diversion is when posters like Jerkface in NJ (hi Rich!) insist on insulting people about park factor as if that’s some sort of excuse for the hijacking of this blog in the name of the best prospect who never was and never will be.

    I’m ready to move on from it. Jerkface is not.

  107. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Luis, you have put yourself on notice when you say Hughes will be a “consistent 15 game winner for years to come”.

    A bold perspective to be sure but just like any investment where you spend OPM with no consequence, what exactly would you do if you were Cashman?

    Normally not a fate I would wish on anyone.

    Do you like rappelling off tall buildings?

  108. Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Chad,

    Thank you for your reply. This is healthy. The only reason why I thought I understood the context of the joke at the time of the telling was because I was very public about my location which is in the deep south and I thought everyone knew it. The first line of the joke references a Southern Belle. But I understand how the content of previous posts about my dating life could have formed a backdrop where people thought I was a violent person on top of being a womanizer. I am plain and simple just a womanizer, peaceful and loving, and I’m getting better with that.

  109. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Luis-I’m not sure how much blame I can place of the organization for
    failure to develop young pitchers.
    This science is not easy. The player himself also has to accept some of the blame is they fail to the MLB level.
    Also, don’t believe all the hype you read or hear about a prospect. Those are just words to get the fans excited, but more important, hype to get other teams interested for a future trade.

    I remember when it was said that Hughes was able to throw 95+ with his FB.
    Well we know that is false, unless he is a reliever and then able to throw at 100% for one inning at a time.

    Hughes has a lot to prove before the Yankees should pay him a lot of $$
    On the other hand, Cano has nothing more to prove. He has played at a high level for many years in a row and thus has earned a large paycheck. What worries me about signing Cano is the amount of year. I’m not a fan of contracts that are more than 5 years long.

  110. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    On the second question… Maybe he says no… But at least they tried…
    =============================
    and you know they didn’t?
    ————————————–
    are you saying they might have but didn;t b/c it would have leaked to the press?
    you mean a phone call to phils cell would have leaked?
    that seems far fetched…

  111. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
    Luis-
    So how much $$ & years should the Yankees offer Hughes for
    his number 3 or 4 starter stuff?

    ========================

    Nothing we can afford if we are to stay below the cap… Pat M suggested something along 4 years at 50 mil per… I have no clue if this is the right price… But if they had signed him last season, we could have probably secured him for much less… Say 4 years at 39 mil??

  112. Tackelberry May 6th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Wang goes for Scranton tonight, hopefully taking another step toward returning to big leagues and the Yanks rotation

  113. Bo knows May 6th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    The south must have changed. What happened to the 12 gauge loaded with rock salt?

  114. Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Also the only reason why I didn’t explain my whole thought process as “FireTheUMPIRE” in all the posts following our little family outing was because it was too fresh and the distraction of the event would take the focus off my very real disappointment in the way I was falsely portrayed as violent by posters in the aftermath. And they continued to push the issue in my absence because of my opinions and maybe one poster is bitter about males like me. That’s fine.

  115. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Tackelberry May 6th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
    Wang goes for Scranton tonight, hopefully taking another step toward returning to big leagues and the Yanks rotation
    ———————————————————————————————————-
    I keep forgetting about Wang. Last I read, the Yankees GM said something like Wang still has a long way to go and he is not the same pitcher as before, etc…..
    Sounds to me like names like Phelps, Warren and Nuno are far ahead of Wang in terms
    of stuff and how much confidence the team has in the young kids vs Wang.

  116. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    Luis, you have put yourself on notice when you say Hughes will be a “consistent 15 game winner for years to come”.

    A bold perspective to be sure but just like any investment where you spend OPM with no consequence, what exactly would you do if you were Cashman?

    Normally not a fate I would wish on anyone.

    Do you like rappelling off tall buildings?

    ================================

    I do like rappelling!! And I am good at it by the way.

    I would have done what Randy suggested last season… Sign him for a team friendly extension… Now, If the budget is real? I let him walk if the price is somewhere what Pat M has suggested.

  117. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Rich, did you mean Tony Montana?

    Marino was not exactly chopped liver! ;)

  118. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Mick,

    You know very well that for example there were extension discussions with Cano… It leaks to the press

  119. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    But if they had signed him last season, we could have probably secured him for much less… Say 4 years at 39 mil??
    =====================
    luis you make it seem like the yanks could make him sign that contract whether he wants to or not.
    I don’t get your reasoning.
    He gets to choose…

  120. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    You know very well that for example there were extension discussions with Cano… It leaks to the press
    ============
    luis you have an innate quality to avoid the question, maybe its the businessman in you?

  121. jacksquat May 6th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Rich in NJ May 6th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    So far this year he is hitting much better at that home park that is supposedly killing him than he is on the road, .728 home vs .440 road.
    _

    AB
    34 H
    40 R

    That means absolutely NOTHING.

    How about 90% of the rest of the team hitting better than he is? When does his performance mean something? I’d like to know, because I don’t get all this pining for Montero given his past year +

  122. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    On the other hand, Cano has nothing more to prove. He has played at a high level for many years in a row and thus has earned a large paycheck. What worries me about signing Cano is the amount of year. I’m not a fan of contracts that are more than 5 years long.

    ===================

    On this we agree 100%… I might go six

  123. comnsnse May 6th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Luis you old second story man!

    But my friend you ( Pat M.?) did not indicate exactly what a “team friendly” extension is.

    It’s easy,how many years and at what annual rate?

    And who has a good year in sports and is ever friendly in money negotiations!

  124. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    But if they had signed him last season, we could have probably secured him for much less… Say 4 years at 39 mil??
    =====================
    luis you make it seem like the yanks could make him sign that contract whether he wants to or not.
    I don’t get your reasoning.
    He gets to choose…
    ————————————————————————————————————-
    Mick-You and I are pretty much on the same page.
    Like I said, some fans here treat the team/roster like a video game. As if every possible decision can go in their favor, HAHAHA!!!

    If Hughes could have shown some consistency, he might have already signed a contract with the Yankees that would keep him in pinstriped for another few years.
    Right now Hughes is pitching for his future as a MLB Player. Not so much as a Yankee.
    Every start he makes right now is an audition for the rest of the league.

  125. Bo knows May 6th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Personally, I like Nova, Phelps, Warren and Nuno. Petty nice depth – doubtful that any other team is comparative.

    I’d rotate the last three through the Majors and AAA, just to keep their hand in and maybe showcase one of them.

  126. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Mick,

    I am not saying that he signs it… Just that he could have given the Yankees a discount in exchange for long term security… Of course he could say no, but at least they would have tried… Cano’s conversations went nowhere, still we know they took place… I am sure that if they have had talks we would have known about it…

  127. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    luis-
    Hughes should test the market.
    Wouldn’t you?

  128. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 6th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    I can’t find MiLB fielding stats for 2013…sorry to be redundant but does the “E” after OPS stand for errors? If so, Rob Segedin has 9 already? I’m not sure that’s possible but can’t figure out what else the “E” would stand for.

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....38;cid=567

  129. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Luis-
    I can only name 1 MLB player that willingly have his team a home town discount.
    Jared Weaver. Can you name another?
    My point is, that is a very, very, very rare case.

  130. RadioKev May 6th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
    luis-
    Hughes should test the market.
    Wouldn’t you?
    ———

    Hughes has already suggested he’d like to stay with the Yankees, but he understands if he isn’t extended.

  131. Jerkface May 6th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Yes, those are errors. I thought they would be ‘reach on errors’ but apparently milb.com has put their fielding errors in the batting stat line.

  132. Shame Spencer May 6th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Bret getting laid = why women are the weaker sex.

    That’s science folks. I apologize to my kind.

  133. luis May 6th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Bo knows May 6th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
    Personally, I like Nova, Phelps, Warren and Nuno. Petty nice depth – doubtful that any other team is comparative.

    ============================

    I agree… This is why I think Hughes is as good as gone… If we have a budget, those scarce resources will be spent on offense

  134. mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    luis, at least, stands up for himself unlike some who hit and run.

  135. RadioKev May 6th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    I agree… This is why I think Hughes is as good as gone… If we have a budget, those scarce resources will be spent on offense
    ———

    This is why I think Nova is as good as gone.

  136. Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    No Grateful Dead had it right, “That’s right, the women are smarter.”

  137. Warning Track Power May 6th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Nova, Phelps, Warren and Nuno

    I would keep Nuno-The kid is a lefty and that’s a rare commidity
    I would trade Warren-His stuff does not impress me much
    Nova-I am leaning towards keeping him because his price tag is cheap
    Hughes-Probably on the way out. If he pitches a great 2013, his price goes sky high
    If he strugges in 2013, why would the team want him back?

  138. Shame Spencer May 6th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    It’s still early but.. hypothetically, what if Hughes comes through with a season like last year and you see Kuroda and Andy continue to have these sort of high stress starts every time out…? Who do you resign then?

  139. luis May 6th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    FTR:

    I believe Cano dismissed Boras because he wanted to stay a Yankee and his common strategy is to test FA waters to get more money.

    Mick,

    If I were in his situation last season, I would have signed an extension… Nowadays, no

  140. Chad Jennings May 6th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    yankeehotelfoxtrot May 6th, 2013 at 4:56 pm e
    I can’t find MiLB fielding stats for 2013…sorry to be redundant but does the “E” after OPS stand for errors? If so, Rob Segedin has 9 already? I’m not sure that’s possible but can’t figure out what else the “E” would stand for.

    Yep. It’s errors. Segedin has made nine in his move back to third base full time (played mostly outfield last year). He had four errors in three games immediately before going on the disabled list. He’s had two two-error games this season.

  141. Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Um, with money.

  142. Jerkface May 6th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Chad,

    Are Rich in NJ and I the same person? I feel like posters ability to discern multiples decreases the more they have actively engaged in creating multiples themselves.

  143. Jesus Bustero May 6th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Well remove your head out of his rear end and vice versa and maybe it will become more clear.

  144. RadioKev May 6th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    It’s looking more and more likely that they blow up the budget.

    I really cannot picture a scenario where Hughes pitches well and they let him walk. Just don’t see it. He won’t command a mega deal, and he’ll be in his prime, how do you let that investment walk?

  145. Chad Jennings May 6th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    And, by the way, Segedin’s nine errors are the most in the system. Anderson Feliz has seven, and so does Cito Culver. Most of the Feliz errors have come at third base, a position he hasn’t played much in his career. Culver’s making a lot of errors because he’s a Low-A shortstop and that’s pretty inevitable, even for the guys with good defensive tools like Culver.

  146. luis May 6th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Cmonsense,

    No clue…. 4 years at 39 mil??… The problem is that the money for keeping Hughes is being spent on Ichiro and Wells

  147. mick May 6th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    He won’t command a mega deal, and he’ll be in his prime, how do you let that investment walk?
    ==============================
    as long as arte moreno is around and phil wants to pitch in cali, yanks are in the rear view mirror.

  148. luis May 6th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    mick May 6th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
    luis, at least, stands up for himself unlike some who hit and run.

    ===================================

    Hey this is not nice… Maybe he doesn’t have the patience

  149. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 6th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Thanks, Jerkface.

    Thanks, Chad. Wow, that’s incredible, awful and probably very embarrassing!! I didn’t realize that he had been playing 3rd OR that he had gone on the DL. It’s hard to keep up on all of it and I don’t look at the MiLB box scores nearly often enough.

    Jesus, one of my all-time faves! Same tune as Iko-Iko just in a different scale (a full step up I believe).

  150. mick May 6th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Hey this is not nice… Maybe he doesn’t have the patience
    ===============================
    when you say he ,that assumes one person . i said some.
    some feel they are superior. that is not nice.
    some have no defense as they know they are wrong.
    sort of like a troll.


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