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Yankees lineup overwhelmed in Colorado

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 07, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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The combination of ongoing injury trouble and playing in a National League park left the Yankees lineup remarkably thin on Tuesday. It didn’t look good on paper, and it didn’t look good on the field. Held to only four hits — all of them singles — the Yankees were beaten 2-0 by a lone Rockies home run, a two-run shot by Carlos Gonzalez that disrupted an otherwise strong start by Hiroki Kuroda. With Eduardo Nunez added to the list of injured Yankees, and Travis Hafner unable to play the field, the Yankees started a lineup that included just three players hitting better than .256 and three players with more than two home runs. The result was predictable. Kuroda was terrific through 5.2 innings, but with two outs in the sixth he allowed a single to Josh Rutledge and the homer to Gonzalez. The Yankees couldn’t match that offense. Kuroda ultimately went seven innings, allowing seven hits and a walk.

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75 Responses to “Yankees lineup overwhelmed in Colorado”

  1. blake May 7th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    One word review.

    Ugh

  2. Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    I think we know who Grandy will be replacing.

  3. Tyler May 7th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    A little bit of that April pixie dust is starting to wear off… would be nice to start getting some of the regular guys back in there slowly.

  4. NYY fan in NH May 7th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    That’s as ugly as it gets with this current team. Wasting good pitching again

  5. jlyanks85 May 7th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Yanks need tex, youk and Grandy back already. This lineup just isn’t going to get it done. Wells is reverting back to last year again.

  6. luis May 7th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    This lineup would be a good lineup in AA, not even in AAA… Too many injuries, too many old players… Kuroda san deserved a much different fate.

    We’ll get them tomorrow… GN

  7. Captain Clutch May 7th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Unfortunately we should get used to these types of games. When you are sending out the lineup that the Yanks will be sending out there they are going to get shut out very often. Can’t expect these guys to score a lot of runs.

  8. Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    I haven’t understood why some people think the Yankees should trade for pitching. If they trade for anything, it’s obvious that it has to be a bat.

  9. Captain Clutch May 7th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    They still have another 2 weeks until Granderson and Youk come back. It’s going to seem like 5 months.

  10. Cashmoney May 7th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    overwhelmed! help help!

  11. pat May 7th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    adamdberry
    R.A. Dickey, on J.A. Happ: “I think the last indication was that he was alert and feeling better and had gone in for a CT scan.”

  12. Cashmoney May 7th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    nice picture, Chad… i am looking at it and thinking… where is my rapture!

  13. Bo knows May 7th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Getting really tired of “Yankees don’t develop players. I count eight pitchers home grown on the roster right now and that’s not counting Pettite. But hey, the narrative is much easier.

  14. austinmac May 7th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    I saw Adams didn’t play tonight. Please let him be healthy. Musty appears very rusty.

    I love to watch Kiroda battle. He seems to get little run support as a Yankee.

  15. Jerkface May 7th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Getting really tired of “Yankees don’t develop players. I count eight pitchers home grown on the roster right now and that’s not counting Pettite. But hey, the narrative is much easier.

    They haven’t developed a reliable starting pitcher since Wang.

  16. Bo knows May 7th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    Well, there was our lone star player rolling over four times. Not that I’m counting.

  17. Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    And they haven’t developed a position player who starts every game since Cano.

  18. jackamir May 7th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    Gardner is the most OVERRATED player on the Yankees. He is a player with horrible baseball instincts and a complete joke. I can’t wait for Granderson to be activated and put Gardner on the bench where he belongs. His OF play is adequate but nothing special. His arm is average and you can bring those 2010 numbers in but those were skewed by a couple of plays he made in LF. This is 2013 and he is AWFUL.

  19. Captain Clutch May 7th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    The Yanks have 3 late 1st round picks this year. They can’t afford to be wrong on them. All Cashman talked about this off season was his picks and now his guys need to be right. If not it will be a real fail.

  20. Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    How can Gardner be overrated when most people think he stinks?

  21. jackamir May 7th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
    And they haven’t developed a position player who starts every game since Cano
    ——-
    ————————————————————————————————-.
    Austin Jackson & Melky Cabrera

  22. willkamm May 7th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    The “scrap heap guys” are just about at 100 at bats. Wells just might be this year Raul Mondesi.

  23. Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    “Austin Jackson & Melky Cabrera”

    They didn’t develop them, someone else did.

    Same with IPK.

    If you don’t keep them until they are everyday contributors, you can’t get credit for developing them.

  24. Cashmoney May 7th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    They should keep the surviving Yankee players in a humidor … that way they don’t get injured.

  25. Tackelberry May 7th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    Wells has comeback to earth big time. Second straight game where he had a great pitch Tobit in akey spot and missed it. Then ends up Striking out.

  26. Bo knows May 7th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    They haven’t developed a reliable starting pitcher since Wang.
    —————-
    The mantra was “don’t develop players” and I guess we could quibble about Hughes and IPK as far as starters. I looked at Warren’s three innings from the other night and it was “Damn, he’s ready, plug him in and let him pitch”.

    I maintain that the development is fine, it’s when they come up to the big club that all kinds of weird things happen.

    But with Warren there’s the now factor and very few people mention him

  27. Cashmoney May 7th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    GN ALL, I am phoning Cashman to see if this idea flies.

  28. fantasygame101 May 7th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    you can not rely on luck all the time so this team will struggle if the ball will not luckily hit the sweet spot of their bat. The best scenario is all the team in the east will loss more games too so that they can keep up.

  29. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 7th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    Not many teams have developed position players who start every game since Cano. That said, of course I get your point. Also, crappy loss tonight against an average SP. Kuroda did his part. The Rockies have been (surprisingly) good so far…they’re bullpen is strong and did their jobs.

  30. Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    GN, Cash

  31. Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    “Not many teams have developed position players who start every game since Cano”

    That was 8 years ago. How can that be?

  32. Nick in SF May 7th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Who developed Melky?

    1. Royals
    2. Giants
    3. fake website
    4. Biogenesis
    5. other

    Marey Carey is not an acceptable answer ‘cos Peanutsgate happened while Melky was a Yank.

  33. Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    We only know who didn’t develop Mellky.

  34. Bo knows May 7th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    The Yankees are catering to a different fan base from every other team. Totally driven by star power. No stars, 6 thousand people don’t show up. The team is playing good baseball under totally crippling circumstances, no stars equals no shows.

  35. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 7th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    Rich, I was being ironical. After ugly losses (like tonight’s) I do my best to be humorous lest I end drinking poison.

  36. willkamm May 7th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    Getting really tired of “Yankees don’t develop players. I count eight pitchers home grown on the roster right now and that’s not counting Pettite. But hey, the narrative is much easier.

    They haven’t developed a reliable starting pitcher since Wang.

    Correct. Pettite and Mo are what 40? They’ll be gone after this season. Joba is a failed starter who is good for one inning of relief. Three more of the guys are one inning relief pitchers, DRob, Warren and Clairborne. Hughes was drafted nine years ago. Nova and Phelps may become middle of the rotation guys.

  37. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Oh, sorry, yankeehotelfoxtrot

  38. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    We only know who didn’t develop Mellky.
    ———-
    Toronto is developing Melky, so far only negatives in the dark room.

  39. Nick in SF May 8th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    “We only know who didn’t develop Mellky.”

    This is something we know? Like it’s a fact of some sort?

    First we had the dog that didn’t bark, now we have the team that didn’t develop the player.

    But maybe this one is more like the Murder on the Orient Express: they all did it.

  40. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 12:05 am

    “This is something we know? Like it’s a fact of some sort?”

    Like yeah. Why? Because he didn’t begin toreach his potential, which Billy Masse, his AA manager believed was a batting title, until he got to KC.

    “First we had the dog that didn’t bark, now we have the team that didn’t develop the player.”

    Right.

    “But maybe this one is more like the Murder on the Orient Express: they all did it.”

    Or maybe it’s Occam’s Razor.

  41. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    You know, I wonder if it’s worth answering

    “Three more of the guys are one inning relief pitchers, DRob, Warren and Clairborne”

    Bad memory, short term attention span, what is it? Last appearances, Warren pitched three shutout innings, Claiborne two.

    You have something to add here?

  42. willkamm May 8th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Rich in NJ May 7th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    “Austin Jackson & Melky Cabrera”

    They didn’t develop them, someone else did.

    Same with IPK.

    If you don’t keep them until they are everyday contributors, you can’t get credit for developing them.

    Yes exactly! Someone was talking about how good Warren looked and how they should plug him in and let him start. But that is just the case…. They won’t do that but they will trade him and someone else will.
    What about the kid Quintana? Wasn’t he in their system for 3 or 4 years? They released him and a week later the White Sox sign him. Less then a year later they give him a shot at starting. I believe he’s in their rotation now. Had some good starts.

    That’s what player real player development is. You get he player to the majors and you make them regulars on your squad.
    No one can possibly convince me the Yankees do that very well.

  43. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    They have been really good a develop relievers. Something to build on.

  44. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    *at developing*

  45. Nick in SF May 8th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    But we don’t know what else he was doing in KC to “reach his potential”, do we?

    That question aside, is a major league player not considered developed until he puts up career year type numbers?

  46. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    “But we don’t know what else he was doing in KC to “reach his potential”, do we?”

    We don’t know what anyone was doing.

    So that’s why I think overt results are important, because they are observable.

    “That question aside, is a major league player not considered developed until he puts up career year type numbers?”

    His career type numbers were with SF the following year. That’s separate.

  47. willkamm May 8th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    You know, I wonder if it’s worth answering

    “Three more of the guys are one inning relief pitchers, DRob, Warren and Clairborne”

    Bad memory, short term attention span, what is it? Last appearances, Warren pitched three shutout innings, Claiborne two.

    You have something to add here?

    You were right the 1st time. It wasn’t worth answering. And no, the Yankees cannot develop and use it correctly at the major league level. That is why your boy Warren will not get a chance to start in NY unless its for the team they trade him to.
    This team has a terrible record of judging talent unless the guy has played successfully at the major league level for 8 years or more and is 30 years or older.

  48. Jesus Bustero May 8th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    I think we need to do better in the draft and if we can’t do that then hedge by spending big on international free agents. Big organizations, big successful orgs can change strategies but it takes time. It can be done tho. I believe the Yankees can become leaner and meaner.

  49. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Speaking of Occam’s Razor

    Cabrera, Bautista and Encarnacion. All struggling. Hmmm

  50. willkamm May 8th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    Captain Clutch May 7th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    The Yanks have 3 late 1st round picks this year. They can’t afford to be wrong on them. All Cashman talked about this off season was his picks and now his guys need to be right. If not it will be a real fail.

    They had 4 picks in the 1st 40 picks of the 2004 draft. They got Phil Hughes. Period. That’s all they have to show.

  51. pat May 8th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    danpfeiffer74
    Spoke to @RobSegedin after game. Has same injury as A-Rod, team deciding between rehab and surg. Best of luck and hope for a speedy recovery

  52. austinmac May 8th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Nelson looks like he is swinging a lead bat. Slow and long looking swing. Released players are released for a reason. Come on back Youk.

  53. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    You were right the 1st time. It wasn’t worth answering. And no, the Yankees cannot develop and use it correctly at the major league level. That is why your boy Warren will not get a chance to start in NY unless its for the team they trade him to.
    This team has a terrible record of judging talent unless the guy has played successfully at the major league level for 8 years or more and is 30 years or older.
    ———-
    Somehow, you keep shifting parameters around. A lot of tap dancing. Now it’s talent judging.

    Carry on, carrying on.

  54. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Sorry to hear that about Segedin.

  55. Jesus Bustero May 8th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Tabata, Jackson and Melky are doing nothing special though. Neither are Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. Montero has done nothing. Brackman and Betances look like busts.

    Who am I missing?

  56. Nick in SF May 8th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    We know what some players were doing, or rather, we know a snapshot of what some players were doing at the time of their failed PED tests. Melky is one of those players. So we know what he was doing, we just don’t know all of what he was doing or for how long.

    What we do know about Melky is that he was in the Yankees’ system from 2002 through 2009, with over three of those seasons with the big club.

    If you want to say that the Yanks didn’t figure out how to get the most out of Melky, that’s fine;Melky himself may have spent a lot of time figuring out how to get the most out of Melky. But to say that they didn’t develop him is to use a highly subjective, non-factual definition of what development is.

  57. tucker May 8th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    AuustinMac, did you see the Bloomberg story on the plunging ticket sales that I posted earlier. Lack of investment = declining revenue. Hope those spreadsheet numbers speak to Hal.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    We only know who didn’t develop Mellky.
    ———-
    Toronto is developing Melky, so far only negatives in the dark room.
    ///

    I try not to take Aprils to heart.

    8 for his last 14, including 3 for 5 tonight, 2 2B, up to .270. Was 2 for 5 yesterday and 3 for 4 the day before that, including first HR of year.

  59. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Who am I missing?
    —-
    I think you’re missing the point. Okay, it’s not a who. My bad.

  60. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    “I try not to take Aprils to heart.”

    Really. Last week, Wells was a great find. Now, less so.

    We’ll know more in a few months.

    ” But to say that they didn’t develop him is to use a highly subjective, non-factual definition of what development is.”

    Yeah, I’m the only who is subjective.

  61. Nick in SF May 8th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    “Yeah, I’m the only who is subjective.”

    Did someone say that you are?

  62. Madrugador May 8th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Don’t know what your definition of special is but Austin Jackson is hitting 288 with 2 HRs and hit 300 with 16 last year. That seems pretty good to me.

  63. Jesus Bustero May 8th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    His OPS is like .750. That’s solid for CF but special?

  64. Jerkface May 8th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    I maintain that the development is fine, it’s when they come up to the big club that all kinds of weird things happen.

    Getting players to be big leaguers is development, and so we cannot just say weird stuff happens and absolve them of their failures. To develop you must actually make consistent starters.

  65. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 12:39 am

    “Did someone say that you are?”

    Didn’t you?

    You said: ”But to say that they didn’t develop him is to use a highly subjective, non-factual definition of what development is.”

    I said they didn’t develop him.

  66. Nick in SF May 8th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    I didn’t say you were “the only who is subjective[sic]“, Rich.

  67. Madrugador May 8th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    Like I said, it all depends on what you mean by special.
    Special Ed ain’t so special.

  68. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    “I didn’t say you were “the only who is subjective[sic]“, Rich.”

    OK, but I stand by what I said. They haven’t developed an everyday position player of note since Cano.

  69. Nick in SF May 8th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    I’m not going to argue about whether Melky is a player of note or not, but I’ve always liked him.

    I like this take on the overall Melky discussion right now:

    “Without a lab, some drugs, pints of blood, and before-and-after physical tests, it’s still impossible to know where PEDs begin and where a player’s natural talent ends. Melky could be suffering from spinach withdrawal. Or he could be in the middle of the kind of month that happens to every hitter. Blanket statements are silly after 100 at-bats in any context. In this case, any kind of blanket statement about Melky would be especially silly.”

    http://www.baseballnation.com/.....s-steroids

  70. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Getting players to be big leaguers is development, and so we cannot just say weird stuff happens and absolve them of their failures. To develop you must actually make consistent starters.

    You see, the goal posts get moved, new parameters, what have you. To me, development equals success at the Major level. When we start to introduce a time frame, it becomes subjective. What makes a consistent starter? Two years, five years? An ERA of 3.5?

    Wait he’s a flyball pitcher in Yankees Stadium. Has Hughes been developing for five years?

    Nova was successful – Wait, he needs more SOs. OKay, his SOs have gone up but he’s now a five inning pitcher and inconsistent. Is he still developing? Or is it that the Yankees wouldn’t leave well enough alone?

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    Getting an .856 OPS from CF is just dandy, including a .377 OBP in the leadoff spot. This all in his age 25 season.

    Add in the special glove…

    If he had done so in 2012 as a Yankee, this place would have been struttin’ the name of Austin Jackson.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    What’s silly is the idea that drugs can make you hit over .300 from both sides of the plate.

    And you being fond of him, in and of itself, doesn’t give you any insight into him as a hitter.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 12:58 am

    Mad,

    If Gardner, say, had put up AJax 2012-like numbers, there wouldn’t be a dry pair of pants in this place.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 1:01 am

    Kevin Long gets some credit for helping Melky find his right-handed stroke.

    Cashman and his cohorts, however, get none for the outrageous opinion that he’s secretly a fourth OF.

  75. Madrugador May 8th, 2013 at 1:49 am

    JAP
    I don’t know if Ajax is special but given his youth, his production thus far and his glove, I’d rather have him than Grandy and his all or nothing style.
    I know about Grandy’s homerun totals and all but he is gone after this year and home runs is not what I want from a lead off hitter.

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