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Minor league notes: Montgomery, Rondon, Murphy, Campos

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 08, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last night’s game wasn’t much to talk about, so let’s start today with some notes from Yankees vice president of baseball operations, Mark Newman.

• Because Mark Montgomeryhe’s considered the Yankees top relief prospect — and because his Triple-A numbers are terrific – Mark Montgomery seemed like a no-brainer for a big league call-up following the Joba Chamberlain injury. Instead, it was Preston Claiborne. Newman explained that behind Montgomery’s impressive results is a pitcher who’s not yet at full strength. “He’s not there yet, but he’s pitching well,” Newman said. “He’s not at 100 percent yet. (It will) take another couple of weeks.” The problem isn’t an injury, it’s simply building arm strength. Newman said Montgomery can sit at 90-94 mph at his best, but he’s been more like 89-91 this season. The arm strength is getting there, but Montgomery’s not where the Yankees want him to be. “It’s just figuring out how to deal with the offseason,” Newman said.

• Speaking of bullpen prospects, hard-throwing lefty Francisco Rondon opened the season in the Double-A rotation, but after six starts, he’s moving back to the bullpen. The decision to make him a starter for a while was about development, not an attempt to legitimately convert him. “I think we think he’s a long-term reliever,” Newman said. “It doesn’t hurt any reliever to pitch in the rotation for a while, anyway. … It’s not even (to develop) arm strength. It’s developing the ability to locate and spin the ball.”

• There is currently no internal punishment in place following Mason Williams’ DUI arrest. “The court system hasn’t even had its say in this,” Newman said.

• Jose Campos has pitched six times this season, and five of those outings lasted exactly three innings. The other start lasted three and two-thirds. Newman said the Yankees are limiting Campos’ workload this season strictly because he threw so few innings last year. They’re trying to limit those innings on the front end so that he can be stretched out as the season progresses.

• Also, Campos indicated last week that last year’s elbow injury was a fracture. Newman said it wasn’t actually a fracture, more of a serious bruise that could have gotten worse if the Yankees hadn’t shut him down.

• Speaking of Charleston starters, Rafael De Paula has 46 strikeouts through 27.1 innings. He’s 22 years old, but this is his first year in the U.S. and Newman said the Yankees aren’t likely to push De Paula to Tampa any time soon. “We expected that he would pitch well, but he’s pitching better than we expected,” Newman said. “He’s a first-rate kid who works very hard. … (But) he needs time. He’s got to develop secondary pitches. He hasn’t pitched that much competitively.”

• Similar story for the other dominant Charleston starter, Gabe Encinas, who has a 0.84 ERA but is not expected to advance levels at all this season. “He’s made a lot of progress so far,” Newman said. “He’s got a very good arm. He’s run it up there 95, 96 and he’s learning how to pitch. But he’s going to stay there. He’s going to spend the season there. He’s figuring out what it takes to be successful in terms of command and secondary.”

• One player who’s already been promoted from Charleston to Tampa is second baseman Rob Refsnyder, the former college outfielder who’s hitting at an absurd rate this season. The Yankees are trying him at second because he’s played there before and his offensive approach profiles well at the position. “We’re converting him to second base, and that’s a work in work progress, but offensively our scouts love him,” Newman said. “I’m sure that anybody that swings the bat like that will profile somewhere.”

• Another early offensive standout is Double-A catcher J.R. Murphy, who’s finally living up to his reputation as a big hitter. But Newman said the Yankees are most excited by Murphy’s improvement behind the plate. “The biggest thing is that he’s catching very well,” Newman said. “Early on it was, solid hit grade; let’s try to catch (even though) we’re not sure how it will go. He’s worked his butt off. … Murph can catch. He can catch, and he can throw. He’s smart. He can run a game.”

• Jose Ramirez has been activated in Double-A after being held back at the end of spring training. There was no injury, but the Yankees felt that Ramirez was dealing with some fatigue, the result of pitching in winter ball and overdoing it a little bit in big league camp. “Probably over-extended himself a little bit early in the process,” Newman said. “That’s fairly normal for young kids. They get excited to pitch in that environment.”

• The early results are not encouraging for either Cito Culver or Dante Bichette Jr., each of whom is repeating Low-A but getting familiar results at the plate. Culver has stopped switch hitting — he’s strictly a righty these days — and Bichette is working on using the whole field rather than trying to pull home runs every at-bat. “They’re both working at it, and the coaches have a real solid program for them, so we’ll see what happens,” Newman said.

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140 Responses to “Minor league notes: Montgomery, Rondon, Murphy, Campos”

  1. blake May 8th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Makes sense with Montgomery…..

    Murphy seems like a guy that will get every once out of his ability….

  2. Yankee Trader May 8th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Good morning

    Wells is hitting .242 vs. righties and .143 this month. He looked awful last night, swinging at pitches way out of the zone and missing on a pitch down the middle of the plate vs Betancourt in the 9th.

  3. 4TrainNorth May 8th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    I hope Rafael De Paula turns out better than Jorge De Paula.

  4. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Good stuff all around… I say just move Murphy up and see what happens at the AAA level. I know he hasn’t had much time at AA but they say the jump to AA is the most difficult.

    Not looking forward to seeing another lefty in this series.

  5. Madrugador May 8th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    MTU-
    “Yankees have done a remarkable, almost miraculous, job of staying in the hunt until now.

    They played quite a few weak teams during that time and had a favorable schedule. That helped.”

    Couldn’t agree more. Beating up on Toronto and Cleveland has made this team look as though they could contend. The pitiching has been good but Jason Nix as your #2 hitter?! That is hard to believe but emphasizes the state of the offense. Colorado scores a lot of runs and also gives up a lot. Problem for us is we have to have the players who can take advantage of that. Love to see some new faces in the lineup.

  6. Tackelberry May 8th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Great stuff from Newman, though I wish they WOULD push DePaula a little. He should be cahllenged at High A at some point this season.

  7. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Could Murphy be a September call up?

  8. 4TrainNorth May 8th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Is it too early to give up on Culver? I seriously never read one positive thing about this guy.

  9. Yankee Trader May 8th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    • There is currently no internal punishment in place following Mason Williams’ DUI arrest. “The court system hasn’t even had its say in this,” Newman said.
    —————
    Why wait for the court system. Tampa is the second home for the Yankees. Just go ask Williams if he was drinking and driving and if he was, punish him. It’s time that some of these coddled young players learned how to act outside of baseball.

  10. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Mag-

    Me too. ASAP.

    Tough to hold the line w this weak Sister of a lineup.

    Puts enormous stress on the SP and the Pen.

  11. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Time to walk the Mop.

    Later.

  12. Madrugador May 8th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    I always wonder how much of what Newman says is pumping up his talent so he can trade it at greater value later vs how much is the truth.

  13. blake May 8th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    “Great stuff from Newman, though I wish they WOULD push DePaula a little. He should be cahllenged at High A at some point this season.”

    yea I agree…..I would guess they want to see the walks come down a little before promoting him but his stuff is clearly too good for the sally league hitters.

  14. Frankg May 8th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    many people are asking that Mustelier be brought up to replace Francisco, but he is hitting only .150 at Scranton. Might want to wait a while so he can get going before we call him up and expect him to produce at ML level. Adams is a better choice now. He is hitting .325.

  15. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    I don’t mind pump and dump but they have been trading the wrong guys.

  16. blake May 8th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    “Could Murphy be a September call up?”

    maybe to at least get a big league feel?

    “Is it too early to give up on Culver? I seriously never read one positive thing about this guy.”

    yea its too early to give up on him because he does have plus defensive potential at SS…..but he needs to hit at some point

  17. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    They have to wait another week on Adams.

  18. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Lots of good info in here, thanks Chad.

    Seems like we’re set for a major transition to take place come 2015, but I wonder how many rookies get worked in next year?

  19. blake May 8th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Adams is probably a better defender at 3B too than Musty…..but because they had to release him they can’t bring him up for another week.

  20. randy l. May 8th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    yup double thumbs up on JR murphy as i said the first time i saw him the first week of the year.

    that creates a dilemma for girardi

    but there must be some way for the kid to be slowed down that girardi can think of

    the last thing he’d want is a catcher who can hit :)

    the good news is that i i doubt girardi will be the manager by the time murphy is ready for new york.

  21. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 9:26 am
    I don’t mind pump and dump but they have been trading the wrong guys.
    ————

    As we get further down the road from some recent trades, really the only guy the Yankees would like back is Austin Jackson. And we got some big time value in return for him.

  22. blake May 8th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    where can we find a Manny Machado?

  23. Tackelberry May 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    blake May 8th, 2013 at 9:29 am
    where can we find a Manny Machado?

    Tough to get guys like that when you draft at the bottom of the first round every year

  24. Tackelberry May 8th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Looks like Heathcott is starting to find his stroke at Trenton after a brutal start, and ALmonte is starting to get in a groove at Scranton. Almonte could definitely be in the mix for an OF spot next year if he isn’t traded.

  25. Hassey May 8th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    yes, the lineup weakness is really hitting home lately…now that Wells has turned back into Shrek, we only have 1.5 hitters, when Ichiro is seeing the ball well.

    Have you ever fallen OUT of love? Well, with his fail in that late Overbay AB last night, Gardner has lost me forever. HE is really worthless in too many stretches of a full season. Was the track any wetter for him than it was when STEWART stole off of A LEFTY?

  26. dan l May 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    This Yankees team sucks…I hope the continue to suck so they clean house…getting rid of Girardi and Cashman first!

  27. Tackelberry May 8th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    dan l May 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am
    This Yankees team sucks…I hope the continue to suck so they clean house…getting rid of Girardi and Cashman first
    ___________________________________________

    Spoken like a true Yankee fan.

  28. DONNYBROOK May 8th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Getting shut-out in Colorado should sound the ALARM Bells. No DH in Mile High, is like adding Hafner to the DL. The anemic Yankee offense just can Not afford to lose that Hairy Bat. And I keep waiting for the discussion to get around to Wells returning to his recent Norm, but most the Numbers Nerds around here have already climbed out on a limb and annointed Wells a savior and Cashman a genius for the move. Tough to do a 180 when you are on record.

  29. MG May 8th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    How can a guy like Newman make so much sense in his comments since, according to LoHud blog posters, they screw up player development virtually 100% of the time?

    It sounds to me like the Yankees think Murphy is their next regular catcher in the bigs, maybe that is part time next year with Cervelli or someone else…

  30. randy l. May 8th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    i think tonight is a tipping point game. the yankees haven’t lost three games in a row all year which is kind of amazing considering the line up they have been putting out there.

    a team that thinks they can win will tend to win more than lose. the big problem on an over achieving team like the yankees is that losing streaks takes away that belief they will win each night.

    the yankees win tonight and the bleeding is stopped . they lose and it’s three in a row and four out of five in the lost column.

  31. Hassey May 8th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    If that late Wells K was any indication, he must have been hated by any Angels fans who weren;t stuffing their faces with nachos and cheese

  32. GregD May 8th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Tackelberry May 8th, 2013 at 9:46 am
    dan l May 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am
    This Yankees team sucks…I hope the continue to suck so they clean house…getting rid of Girardi and Cashman first
    ___________________________________________

    Spoken like a true Yankee fan.
    —————————–
    go root for the Mets

  33. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    The problem is, this isn’t even the depleted lineup that started the year, but did surprisingly well anyway.

    They were already without Jeter, Arod, Granderson and Teixeira.

    Now they are also without Youkilis, Cervelli and Nunez, and Hafner can only pinch hit in the NL park.

    You just can’t lose that much and expect to still have a decent offense, no team can. It was remarkable what they were doing before the latest wave of losses.

  34. randy l. May 8th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    mg-

    you think girardi is looking at JR murphy and getting excited ?

    i can see him squinting his eyes and trying to find something wrong with him.

    he seems to want to win with the worst hitting catcher he can find.

  35. pat May 8th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Glad to read Happ is expected to be released from the hospital. Head contusion and ear laceration is a lot better than it looked last night.

  36. blake May 8th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “It sounds to me like the Yankees think Murphy is their next regular catcher in the bigs, maybe that is part time next year with Cervelli or someone else…”

    wouldn’t that be cool……

  37. blake May 8th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “Glad to read Happ is expected to be released from the hospital. Head contusion and ear laceration is a lot better than it looked last night.”

    very glad….scary business.

  38. blake May 8th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    “i can see him squinting his eyes and trying to find something wrong with him.”

    how is JR at pitch framing?

    all jokes aside….Stewie is a pretty decent back up…..he’s just a back up and shouldn’t be playing this much…..that snap throw to 1B last night was something

  39. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Yeah, Stewie deserved the criticism last year, but he’s much improved behind the plate and he’s doing a little more with the bat.

  40. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    My lineup for tonight:

    Gardner CF
    Ichiro RF
    Cano 2B
    Overbay 1B
    Wells LF
    Nelson 3B
    Nix SS
    Romine C
    Phelps P

    Unless Nunez can play, but it sounded like he won’t.

  41. Doreen May 8th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Pat, thanks for the update on Happ. It really looked like it was going to be much worse.

  42. bruceb May 8th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Getting shut-out in Colorado should sound the ALARM Bells.

    No point in sounding the alarm bells, Donny, when there’s no one left in the firehouse.

    It is what it is. The Yanks were fortunate enough to play both Toronto and Cleveland when they were in a slump and managed to win four close games with the Jays. Anyone who knows baseball – and most of you regulars on here know the game exceedingly well – knew that this current lineup couldn’t continue performing like a division leader. They’re a .500 team – at best.

    My only criticism/disappointment is that we’re going to be losing with the likes of Francisco, Nix and Nelson in the everyday lineup rather than taking the opportunity to blood some of our own youngsters.

  43. dan l May 8th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    I am a Yankees fan an I see a crappy team…I see crappy in game managing by a pathetic loser manager Girardi…add to him an idiot named Cashman and this is what you get…SUCK!

    I want this mess to fail…so we will get honest change and HOPE!

  44. Madrugador May 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    I think you will want to HOPE the rookies play well when they arrive.
    $189M

  45. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    I think we”re seeing a major shift in Yankee pitcher development. Pitchers are pitching less innings. Seems to me if you’re working on something, short stretches reinforce that rather than long outings where a pitcher would revert. That has to be a Gil Patterson innovation.

    Another is waiting on Monty to build up arm strength to get to 90-94. There is a development plan in place. Rushing a pitcher through levels does more harm than development. You have pitchers arriving in the Majors with weak secondary pitches.

    Patterson must have put in draconian clauses in his contract when he agreed to come back to Yankees. Good on him. This is now a development program. Newman is a mouth piece, he reads lines written by others. He sounds good.

  46. DONNYBROOK May 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Does NOT matter what you Did, it’s what you are Currently doing. For the Yanks to Not hit Colorado Chuckers, in Colorado, warrants NY being called The River City Yankees. They got Trouble. Girardi’s version of the run-and-gun, is firing blanks. All it does is signal that the Mgr is aware his offense sucks. Billy Martin knew how to run, AND eventually score the runners with his situational hitters and trick plays when needed. Girardi just runs guys into a dead-end. This is where lineup construction is Critical, and a Mgr Must have a plan beforehand.

  47. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    MG-

    My biggest gripe with Newman is that he was quoted as saying in regards to bringing up guys that “the all hands on deck” mentality takes precedence around Yankeeland.

    If they need to bring a guy up to help them win in a pinch, ready or not, they are going to be used.

    Their development or needs just take a backseat.

    I abhor that POV and want to see it completely banned from their lexicon.

    And if that’s how Newman thinks I want him gone too.

    He’s no hero of mine.

    ;)

  48. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    he seems to want to win with the worst hitting catcher he can find.
    ——-
    That’s pretty well a cheap shot. The saboteur rides again. Why go there?

  49. austinmac May 8th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    I have wanted to be a Gardner supporter, but he isn’t running, has no power and is an average hitter. He would be okay if he wan’t one of the critical offensive elements on the team.

    Wells is certainly cooling off. If he continues to decline, boy will the offense be awful.

  50. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    I wonder which Mets pitchers we’ll see in that 4 game set later this month.

    I thought May would be a good month for this team…..

  51. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    The Yankees have been dealt a bad hand due to all the frickin injuires.

    It’s a long season. As long as we don’t fall too far we have a chance when our guys start coming back.

    There is enormous pressure on the Pitching staff right now.

    That has to change.

  52. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    austinmac May 8th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    I have wanted to be a Gardner supporter, but he isn’t running, has no power and is an average hitter. He would be okay if he wan’t one of the critical offensive elements on the team.
    ———————

    He shouldn’t even be in the conversation of critical offensive elements on a team like the New York Yankees.

  53. austinmac May 8th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I said last night that Nelson looks like he is swinging a lead bat. I think that on every swing. It is long and slow. No wonder the Rockies let him go. I have to believe Adams is better than him. Whether it is true or not, I have to believe it. Hope is needed.

  54. Tackelberry May 8th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    dan l May 8th, 2013 at 10:06 am
    I am a Yankees fan an I see a crappy team…I see crappy in game managing by a pathetic loser manager Girardi…add to him an idiot named Cashman and this is what you get…SUCK!

    I want this mess to fail…so we will get honest change and HOPE!

    ___________________________________

    ONly a crappy fan would root for his team to lose just to see people fired. Very crappy attitude.

  55. randy l. May 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    “That’s pretty well a cheap shot. The saboteur rides again. Why go there?”

    the reason to go there is to provide some balance to the over optimism on the blog.

    in case you haven’t noticed it, the catching hasn’t exactly been smooth sailing under girardi, and this goes back to when posada was catching in his last few years.

  56. MG May 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    MTU, I don’t know what Newman has said in the past but the Yankees brought up Robbie Cano and Chin Ming Wang to fill an immediate need in 2005, that seemed to work out pretty well.

    As for Nelson, consider me unimpressed, as mac says, long swing, front leg up in the air before the pitch is thrown, not a plus fielder. They may as well bring up Adams and/or Mustelier when they are available.

  57. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    I think Wells’ swing is much better, and April was not a total mirage, but lately he looks like he is pressing, probably due to more and more responsibility in the lineup due to all the players going down. His approach is not as good as it was.

  58. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Taking Hafner’s bat out of the lineup makes us look even worse.

    We’ll have to just wait and see with Wells. Slumps happen, and he’ll probably come out of this. He was never going to be a .900 OPS guy. We’ll see what he is as the season progresses.

  59. Brian May 8th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Nelson HAS to have a long swing since he’s standing so far from plate he’s almost in the on deck circle.

  60. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    We’ll know on Adams in a week. The team has run out of options. The second and third stringers are playing. This too shall pass.

    How come no one is talking about Cano, our one legitimate player. He was the major disappointment. Rolled over four times last night. Gardner was on base for him, no response. If you’re a leader on a team, then lead by example. At least put together quality at bats. I don’t knock him for results but for effort.

  61. randy l. May 8th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    “all jokes aside….Stewie is a pretty decent back up…..he’s just a back up and shouldn’t be playing this much…..that snap throw to 1B last night was something”

    blake-
    stewart is fine as a back up. i have no problem with him in that role.

  62. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    MG-

    I do. And I don’t like it one bit.

    That philosophy sucks. It is exactly what stands in the way of the Yankees becoming a successful development Team in the future.

    It needs to get the deep six.

    ;)

  63. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    RAB had a post on Wells this morning. http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ime-86349/

    Yeah jacksquat, the swing does look better. But he isn’t handling the outside pitches right now, for whatever reason. It’s not panic mode yet, we’re in wait and see.

  64. DONNYBROOK May 8th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Nelson is a Utility Infielder, he ain’t an offensive Savior, or an everyday player in general. Jack-of-all-trades, pinch runner, and a valuable bench player in general. The guy on Colorado I would like to have is Eric Young Jr. BEST 4th OF’er in MLB, and he would be a regular on this injury depleted Yankee team.

  65. bruceb May 8th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I wonder which Mets pitchers we’ll see in that 4 game set later this month.
    I thought May would be a good month for this team…..

    Harvey will be licking his lips right now at another chance for the perfect game, Shame!

    I was channel hopping between the Knicks, Islanders and Mets last night. Three terrific games and two incredible performances (the Isles are so much fun to watch and Harvey is an absolute stud). Then I turned over to the Yankees game…and fell asleep.

  66. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    They could bring up Mustelier right now, even though he hasn’t quite gotten going yet in the minors, he has a track record. He wouldn’t be the first guy who wasn’t hitting .300 in the minors and came up and hit. He would at least be depth if another infielder went down, we have no backup atm. He can replace Francisco since he can play LF/RF.

  67. MG May 8th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:26 am
    MG-

    I do. And I don’t like it one bit.

    That philosophy sucks. It is exactly what stands in the way of the Yankees becoming a successful development Team in the future.

    It needs to get the deep six.
    —————-
    I think you have a long wait, my friend.

    If you think the Rays are the model team with this approach you should live in Tampa and listen to local sports talk radio, their 4 fans aren’t happy with the team at all…

  68. austinmac May 8th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Shame,

    I couldn’t agree with you more. Gardner is okay as a supplemental piece. He simply can’t hit enough for me.

    It is very difficult to find someone I want at bat in a critical situation. It is Cano and hope for some wild pitches.

  69. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Gardner has to get that OBP up and steal more bags. That’s the main problem with him. We shouldn’t have to depend on his bat.

  70. longtimefan May 8th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    40 man roster needs to be purged: Francisco, Nelson, Boesch, Epply, Joseph and Flores serve no purpose at this point, impotent offense needs some life and someone wake up Cano and tell him its time to play nol sleep walk thru the game like last night, its a joke to think he is one of the elite hitters in the game when he constantly chases pitches out of the stirke zone and rarely hustles down the line

  71. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Francisco is hitting .129/.270/.226. I know Musty can do at least that. Make the move.

  72. MG May 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    It’s no surprise that the current Yankees team, minus both Youk and Cervelli, is struggling against lefties.

    I agree that Francisco is a waste of roster space but until Mustelier is 100% ready (he was out for a full month, it’s going to take him some more ABs) they really don’t have a choice other than waiting for Adams to be eligible on May 15th.

    They need to scuffle through for another 1-2 weeks until Youk, probably Grandy, and maybe Adams and/or Mustelier are playing.

    If they can play anything close to .500 for the next two weeks that will be a big plus, you can’t really expect much more than that.

  73. DONNYBROOK May 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    A-Rod gets trashed for padding his stats with worthless Homers and and RBI in games that are already decided. Cano continues knocking on that same door.

  74. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    MG-

    The Yankees are the ones claiming they want to develop more guys these days.

    Maybe take it up with them ?

    ;)

  75. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I don’t think you need to wait until Musty is hitting .300 again to bring him up, given the current situation, and the fact that he would be replacing Francisco.

  76. DONNYBROOK May 8th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Losing Youk was a dagger. That 1 game they used him when they should Not have, is gonna = 5 Extra losses.

  77. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    MG-

    And I think their approach to developing Pitchers is superior to ours.

    We could learn something from it.

    ;)

  78. DONNYBROOK May 8th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    You bring a young player like Musty up, he’s gotta play regular. As long as you play him almost every day, No Problem.

  79. MG May 8th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:37 am
    MG-

    The Yankees are the ones claiming they want to develop more guys these days.

    Maybe take it up with them ?
    ———————-
    MTU, I root for the team on the field and don’t take much time thinking about the organizational issues, I leave that for the rest of you :)

  80. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Mustelier is a better option than Francisco, but I’m thinking there are some unrealistic expectations here for the guy.

  81. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    MG-

    Here’s the exact quote from the interview :

    “MN: Our thoughts are that we’re in an ‘all-hands on deck’ scenario. Our mission is to win games in New York. Our secondary mission is to develop championship-caliber players in our farm system. In the ideal situation, Noesi would be a starter in Scranton right now and be continuing his development. However, we have to return to that priority of winning in New York. In that regard, we are doing what we have to do at this moment. It may not be what any of us like to do, but it’s what we have to do.

    Now you can take that in isolation and criticize what we’re doing as detrimental to his development, or you can view it in the context of a bigger picture. You can ask any rabid Yankee fan and I would guess they’d care more about winning in New York than the development of a young pitcher.”

    This philosophy is one I do not agree with. If you do then I guess we have a difference of opinion.

    This is especially true now that we are on a more restricted budget.

  82. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Well hasn’t been having a great couple weeks… but that’s what happens when guys come back down to earth.

  83. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    That being said, if he – like Ibanez – hits one or two important home runs late in the season he’ll be thought of as a worth wild acquisition no matter what his numbers reflect. So….. I’ll be rooting for you in September Vernon!

  84. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Well I wouldn’t mind Musty playing 3B instead of Nelson.

    I wouldn’t mind his playing corner OF vs a lhp instead of Francisco.

    And I wouldn’t mind having Musty for a backup infield so I wouldn’t have to see something like Overbay at 3B and Hafner at 1B if something happens to one of the infielders…

  85. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    @Deadspin

    The Marlins are so bad, businesses don’t want to open nearby: http://deadsp.in/bI6NEod

    Hehehehehehe… (this might be worth breaking the rule for…)

  86. MG May 8th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    MTU-I don’t necessarily agree or disagree with those comments, it depends on the player.

    In the case of Noesi, he has never impressed me so I don’t think putting him in the ‘pen made any difference.

    Chamberlain is the guy that possibly got screwed up but he was probably going to need TJ surgery no matter how they used him and he has been an integral part of his failure to live up to his potential.

  87. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Francisco is hitting .129/.270/.226. I know Musty can do at least that. Make the move.

    ———————

    Yes.

    (And thank you for saving me from breaking the rule!)

  88. bruceb May 8th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    When Vernon Wells is the second-best hitter in your lineup then you know you have problems.

  89. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Oh yeah, I’m not down on Musty or anything. He’s just probably not our savior. Mustelier is as “young” as Gardner, and he doesn’t have major league experience.

  90. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    MG-

    IMO the Yankees are doing the same basic thing they did with Noesi to Phelps.

    I definitely disagree with it in his case.

  91. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    @BinderGirardi

    Check out these BAFFLING numbers about who hits second for the Yankees. http://nomaas.org/2013/05/joe-girardis-two-hole/

    For anyone interested. S’far as I can tell what it says is that Robbie is a good hitter and most other people on our team aren’t.

  92. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Damn, this Long Island Ducks team looks good!

  93. blake May 8th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    When Granderson gets back then Wells will likely be placed in a role where he faces mostly LHP and I’d expect him to do well there…..the question that has to be answered is if he’s a better option vs RHP than Gardner or Ichiro……still TBD there.

    If the Yanks rotation stays healthy and they can get their pen back healthy then that’ll have to carry them to the playoffs…..if they want to have a legit title shot though then Cashman has to add a bat at the deadline…..and probably a middle of the order one IMO

  94. MG May 8th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    MTU May 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am
    MG-

    IMO the Yankees are doing the same basic thing they did with Noesi to Phelps.

    I definitely disagree with it in his case.
    ——————-
    Phelps is getting his shot to pitch in rotation right now.

    He’s been able to throw 150+ innings in two consecutive years in the minors plus over 100 innings in 2011 and almost 100 innings with the Yankees in 2012, that’s a lot more that most of their other minor league pitchers.

    If he doesn’t do the job will you just blame the Yankees ‘failure in development’ or just accept that maybe he isn’t all that good?

  95. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    If the Yanks rotation stays healthy and they can get their pen back healthy then that’ll have to carry them to the playoffs.

    ——————

    And I think ultimately it will… but right now if you told me we’d have to face 2 lefties in a short 5 game series, I’d be worried. I think what we’ve been seeing is mostly what we’ve expected, a lot of streaky offensive performances. It’d be nice to put together some consecutive series wins.

    I completely forgot about the double header on Monday. Right now we just have a B line up as it is… how do you split that into two line ups lol?? At least we know Romine will have to start one of those games.

  96. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Is there even a remote chance Granderson is back by the 13th? Maybe the DH will prompt them to call up Musty?

  97. blake May 8th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    I think one thing we have to remember when we critique the Yanks “pitching development” is that that really haven’t had many top of the rotation talents to develop the last 15 years……part of that is where they draft and part is probably just bad luck.

    Hughes and Joba are really the only two guys I can think of who even had the ability to be a #1 starter……and Hughes is far from a bust.

    You gotta have the materials to work with to develop pitching too and you also have to get lucky to some degree…..developing starting pitching is really really hard. There aren’t many organizations that are good at…..

    Right now they have the most upside arms in the system that I can remember by just sheer number…..so we will see if they can develop 1 or 2 or them into something…..

  98. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Coney likes the bullpen route for younger pitchers anyhow. Don’t we like Coney?

  99. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    I’m not expecting Musty to come up and hit like Kirby Puckett, but at a minimum I think he is an upgrade to the current situation. Plus he’d be more interesting to watch. I see no reason to not have him replace Francisco.

  100. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    MG-

    If he’s given a fair shot at the ML level and fails I’ll gladly accept that it was him.

    So far he hasn’t been. He’s been treated like a yo-yo.

    He’s put up some pretty good results overall IMO.

    By the way, I apologize to you. I got a little carried away on the Newman thing. Had too much coffee.

    :(

  101. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Coney likes the bullpen route for younger pitchers anyhow. Don’t we like Coney?

    ———————–

    Meh, just because he likes it doesn’t mean it’s the best approach. Cone is also pretty notorious for misunderstanding statistics, even though he claims to love them lol.

  102. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    You don’t like Coney!

  103. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    I’m not expecting Musty to come up and hit like Kirby Puckett, but at a minimum I think he is an upgrade to the current situation. Plus he’d be more interesting to watch. I see no reason to not have him replace Francisco.

    ——————-

    I think the situation now might be that it’s not a straight up swap if they don’t plan to play Musty in the OF. They’d really be swapping Musty for Nelson, another move I’m fine with.

  104. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    He should be on a jet to Denver right now.

  105. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    One other thing on Phelps.

    The way he is being used he would not likely have enough innings to be used as a starter next year.

    Even if they needed him.

    Perhaps he isn’ their SP plans anyway ?

  106. blake May 8th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    The Marlins are a mess as an organization…..But they have Jose Fernandez…..that doesn’t make them good at developing pitching. It makes them lucky…..which is what a lot of organizations are that actually end up having good pitchers.

  107. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    They can’t drop Nelson right now. Part of the purpose of bringing up Musty is to have another infielder. And he can play corner OF. So Musty for Francisco works perfectly.

  108. MG May 8th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    MTU May 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am
    MG-

    If he’s given a fair shot at the ML level and fails I’ll gladly accept that it was him.

    So far he hasn’t been. He’s been treated like a yo-yo.

    He’s put up some pretty good results overall IMO.

    By the way, I apologize to you. I got a little carried away on the Newman thing. Had too much coffee.
    ————————–
    no problem, we are both Brooklyn boys and old enough to have been to Ebbets Field, right? :)

  109. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Blake-

    To some extent what they are doing now with development might be different from what they’ve done in the past.

    Which IMO is a good thing.

    Hiring two professional grade Pitching coaches is certainly a step in the right direction.

    Now they just have to develop the right amount of patience and consistency.

    They have some excellent arms coming. Don’t want to see them wasted.

  110. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    They can’t drop Nelson right now. Part of the purpose of bringing up Musty is to have another infielder. And he can play corner OF. So Musty for Francisco works perfectly.

    ——————–

    By all reports, though, they have no plans to use Musty in the OF because he’s really not passable out there. Then again, I suppose it hasn’t stopped us before…

  111. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    MG-

    Yes sir. The Newman subject touches a nerve with me.

    Sorry.

  112. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Got to take a break.

    later.

  113. MG May 8th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    MTU May 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am
    MG-

    Yes sir. The Newman subject touches a nerve with me.

    Sorry.
    ———————-
    Here is a way to work around the Newman issue-every time you think of him, click this link:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zG_PN31YJU

    Hello, Newman!

  114. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    in case you haven’t noticed it, the catching hasn’t exactly been smooth sailing under girardi, and this goes back to when posada was catching in his last few years.
    ————
    That doesn’t wash. Girardi working to an agenda. it’s downright laughable. He wasn’t good offensively so he hates good offensive catchers

    You know you brought up very good points back when re pitching and the Minny model. A lot of good stuff. I’d like your input on what Patterson is doing with the kids. But here you are snipe hunting.

    Go forth and do good deeds. Leave the demeaning stuff to the meaners.

  115. comnsnse May 8th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Bichette, Yankees are full up with third basemen with no power!

    Newman is a central figure in why the Yankee farm system has been relatively unproductive.

    The problem is he’s still here! Not one truly productive positional player produced in years!

    As for Wells, there is a reason he’s been dumped by several teams.

  116. DONNYBROOK May 8th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    The possible deadline deals are Exactly why I did and do Not like getting Wells. If come the trade deadline we get the “$189 Mill Routine” outta Hal, the Wells deal in March was DUMB.

  117. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I think Musty can play corner OF well enough. He has decent speed. Here’s a pretty good catch:

    http://youtu.be/OH0O9uz6Y9E

    He wouldn’t be full time OF anyway, just sometimes vs lhp, and DH.

  118. jacksquat May 8th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Mustelier triple:

    http://youtu.be/dIvBPv5YLXM

    About 8 seconds to 2B and 12 seconds to 3B. I have no idea if that’s good?

  119. blake May 8th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Kevin Kernan ?@WheresKernan 4m
    Some minor leaguer just hit a ball in BP out of minor league complex onto Himes a Ruthian shot but Yankees have us too far away to know who

  120. comnsnse May 8th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Blake @11:08

    I believe you omitted scouting as a component of developing pitching at the MLB level.

    Try the Cards as a good example.

    The Yankee minor league organization including the scouts and the drafting process with International has sucked for years.

    This is a direct result of George’s philosophy of pitting his NY people against Tampa. You reap what you sow.

    Incompetence doesn’t help either!

  121. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    MG-

    :)

    Thanks.

  122. willkamm May 8th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Tackelberry May 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    blake May 8th, 2013 at 9:29 am
    where can we find a Manny Machado?

    Tough to get guys like that when you draft at the bottom of the first round every year.

    Even tougher to get someone like that when a team gives up position and or picks by signing every free agent bauble that goes on the market. Some serious mortgaging went down to win that 2009 WS.

    Liked what the O’s did with this guy too. Didn’t wait for him to hit .400 at AAA before they moved him up. Also used him at SS as well as 3B in the minors to increase his versatility.
    Plus when they brought him up they played him instead of him getting splinters sitting on the bench.

  123. blake May 8th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    “I believe you omitted scouting as a component of developing pitching at the MLB level.”

    of course….that goes without saying. You need the scouting to actually get the players capable of becoming good pitchers. But it’s harder to scout when you can’t have the Dylan Bundy’s or the Verlanders or the Strasburgs.

  124. Nick in SF May 8th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Ben Francisco is producing only slightly better than the current Kirby Puckett, so can Musty improve on that? The betting here is yes, he can.

  125. DONNYBROOK May 8th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    I find No Fault with what The Boys did in 2009. They gave their Father a going-away gift. They should be commended for that, Not chastized.

  126. blake May 8th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    The easiest way for the Yankees to actually develop a #1 starter would probably be if another Jose Fernandez came along…..they recognized him…and then just paid what it took to sign him….it’d hurt to lose draft picks but it would be worth it if he was that good.

    The rules that are in place now really suck and will make it tough on the Yanks and other teams to get the premium young talent.

  127. Hassey May 8th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    I like to think our real lineup would have destroyed this unimpressive Rockies’ BP

    Both Overbay and Wellsy missed pitches that should have been deposited somewhere at the base of Mount Evans

  128. blake May 8th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Mason is 1-3, Reysnyder is 2-3 (hitting .403 now) and Sanchez is 2-3 so far.

    Tampa up 5-1

  129. blake May 8th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    in 31 minor league games career. Reysynder is hitting ..382/.486/.504

  130. luis May 8th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Blake,

    Sure there is a component of luck involved in developing players ( health for example ) … But if you have good scouting and good coaches, the job of doing it is a lot easier and more reliable… Not saying that our scouting or coaching is bad… But it could be better

  131. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Boy, the big three of Tampa were sure struggling for a while there. Williams, Gamel and Sanchez have been non factors.

  132. luis May 8th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Chad,

    By the way… Good post… Bring some more of this

  133. comnsnse May 8th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Blake, while you are correct in that draft position is obviously advantageous in selecting players, you are failing to acknowledge that an organization like the Cards and recently the Giants have done exactly that.

    I know you can’t possibly be defending the results obtained by our organization mentioned in my previous post.

    All of which being necessarily redundant rests on the “Rappeler in Chief”!

  134. Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    I’m really pleased with what Newman said about the Minors pitching approach. It’s like a breath of fresh air. The Patterson approach was long overdue. It’s more the TB model. All about developing secondary pitches. And I’m totally on board with that.

  135. comnsnse May 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Re: organizational competence and success.

    If our organization had done even a decent job over the last decade where are the replacements for the beer league line up you see today?

    Your top 3 pitchers are either FA or 1990′s pick as is the closer and of the organization pitchers rounding out the current staff only Robertson could be categorized as consistent.

    Cano precedes Cashman’s overall tenure as being “in charge” and frankly Gardner still has much to prove.

    I mean the nonsense of his “needing” a day off is laughable.

    Any others are decidedly unproven including Mr.Hughes!

  136. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    I just hope we win tonight so we can still take this series… I hate losing series where our pitching is better.

  137. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Bo knows May 8th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Boy, the big three of Tampa were sure struggling for a while there. Williams, Gamel and Sanchez have been non factors.

    ———————–

    Hope it doesn’t stay that way… I think Cash’s legacy is ultimately riding on those guys. I’m not sure he’ll be here to see the fruits of his labor regardless, but I think this crop could impact the view of him for a lot of people.

  138. blake May 8th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    “Blake, while you are correct in that draft position is obviously advantageous in selecting players, you are failing to acknowledge that an organization like the Cards and recently the Giants have done exactly that.”

    no I’m not….I said there were a few organizations that were good at it…..those are 2 of them.

  139. willkamm May 8th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    dan l May 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    This Yankees team sucks…I hope the continue to suck so they clean house…getting rid of Girardi and Cashman first!

    Trust me I understand your frustration with the way this franchise is run but nothing is going to change. The owners and the rest of the front office are as clueless as the GM and manager as to how to change things, “get younger” and turn this franchise into something other the a high payroll refuge for free agent vets.
    They have already abandoned any attempt to get under a luxury tax payroll. They spun that saying it wasn’t going to be as economically prudent as they had thought.
    They simply don’t know what they are doing. It is a franchise that is famous for being a total waste of resources. Come to think of it its run just like the US government or General Motors.

    Nothing will change with the roster or lineup either. Every time “Stewie” makes a good throw, steals a base, (good God) or bloops a single it gives Girardi one more reason to play his clone as if he is a real major league full time 1st string catcher.

    My money is on not one position player being discussed (Musty, Adams, Joseph) being brought up this month or any time soon. Ben Francisco will be on the roster until at least Granderson returns.

  140. willkamm May 8th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Coney likes the bullpen route for younger pitchers anyhow. Don’t we like Coney?

    This isn’t a new idea its just “out of the box” for the current crop of mangers. It is a method likely patented by Casey Stengel and Oriole GM Paul Richards.

    It was also later used with great success by Earl Weaver. They would work in a new young starter by giving him spot starts and to keep him fresh work him out of the bullpen for multiple innings on his “throw” days.

    Weaver always did it with his new guys as more or less a number 5 starter, long relief guy.
    In his later years with the Yankees Stengel often used 5 and 6 man rotations early in the season just to see which new young arms he could depend on later in the year.

    In any event with all these new mangers using binders and computer data this sort of stuff would be hard to track.


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