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Phelps batting eighth

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 08, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Gotta try something, I guess.

Brett Gardner CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Vernon Wells LF
Lyle Overbay 1B
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Jayson Nix SS
Chris Nelson 3B
David Phelps P
Austin Romine C

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223 Responses to “Phelps batting eighth”

  1. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Come on down, Austin Romine!

  2. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    I don’t frickin believe it.

    Romine Catching ?

    Whoa ! Stop the presses.

    Hey Austin. If David sucks tonight just remember it’s your fault.

    In fact everything is your fault.

    :)

  3. blake May 8th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Did Larussa body snatch joe?

  4. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Go Austin

  5. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    You do realize that if you kept or traded your top trade chip for a bat, then you wouldn’t need to trade 4 more of your farm prospects for that missing bat that you still lack. As for the pitching, looking like we miss Pineda or the bat we lack? (Rhetorical question; no need to answer)

  6. mick May 8th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    obay 4th? why not 2nd, cano 4th?
    why phelps before romine?

  7. blake May 8th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Wonder if August remembers how to play baseball?

  8. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    The only thing missing from tonight’s lineup are Mustelier and the Aliens.

    :)

  9. mick May 8th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    mtu- i told you the other day romine would get the phelps game.

  10. blake May 8th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    MTU,
    You not traveling to Denver?

  11. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Mick-

    What made you so sure ?

  12. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Mike Axisa?@mikeaxisa 20m
    Ty Hensley’s mother explained his shoulder abnormality and hip condition in detail on RAB: http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....nt-6208267

  13. mick May 8th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    mtu- it just made sense + he doesn’t trust him with anyone else.

  14. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Blake-

    It’s almost worth it.

    If Musty were in I might be on a plane now.

    :)

  15. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Adams was back at 3B today; Musty was in LF.

  16. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Yeah, I had him getting the Phelps or Hughes game because he has caught both.

  17. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Mick-

    So it’s OK for Romine to F-up Phelps ?

    :)

  18. blake May 8th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    @bkabak: Guys, Ty Hensley’s mom (@mhensley17) is flat-out awesome. http://t.co/iB7TwTvoci

    Apparently mrs Hensley posted at RAB about ty

  19. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    What if Phelps outhits Austin.

    What then ?

    :)

  20. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Let’s hope that Phelps has his usual good command. Hitting 8th, LOL. That should be fun.

  21. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    MTU, they convert Phelps to 3B once Nova comes back? ;)

  22. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    YF-

    Did Girardi’s book tell him that Phelps is better than Romine ?

    :)

  23. fantasygame101 May 8th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Phelps needs to throw quality not perfect strike and pitch to contact. Hope phelps has a good game and romine too so we can see more romine. I hope phelps batting ahead of romine is not a sign of what girardi thinks of romine’s bat.

  24. mick May 8th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    So it’s OK for Romine to F-up Phelps ?
    =======================
    mtu- sure. he’s not long for the ro.

  25. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    I’m gonna say 100 hail Mary’s tonight and I’m not even Catholic.

    :)

  26. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    At least our lineup is hitting in Coors; what are the odds of our producing no runs again? :)

  27. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Mick-

    What if by some miracle Phelps tosses a gem tonight (Not saying he will). What then ?

    Does Ivan still automatically get his spot back ?

    And does Romine get to catch another game with a different Pitcher ?

  28. J.R.Draper May 8th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Just goes to show you how little they think of Romine batting him after a pitcher WTF. Um Joe what on God’s green earth are you smoking, what happens if by a miracle Phelps gets on and he has to run the bases what then with this teams luck he’ll break his leg. what a complete joke this is.

  29. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    How come Phelps isn’t batting leadoff ?

  30. comnsnse May 8th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Blake, finishing the draft point re: Culver who was “panned by everyone”.

    But apparently not the Yankee scouts or the overseer of the draft, yes?

    Overbay batting cleanup would have been lottery odds ,how far the mighty have fallen!

    Out of the hat lineup or out of options?

  31. mick May 8th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    mtu-you know that nova is getting his job back no matter what and wang is waiting in wingsssssss…alliteration? i forget.

    this is not an audition for romine as yanks have other catchers below…
    phelps has more value in the pen anyway

  32. Zach S May 8th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Would have loved to see a pitcher batting 8th last year when Gardy was down in the lineup. This year with him leading off, meh.

  33. fantasygame101 May 8th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Phelps gets on, phelps steal second base, romine sac bunt and gardner sac fly. The Yankees win 1-0.

  34. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Mick-

    Yeah. I guess so. I was just wondering if anything Phelps does tonight could change it.

    I didn’t think there was and I guess you agree.

  35. champ809 May 8th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    repost-

    champ809 May 8th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    Yankeefem

    Exactly! Much like Headley who’s only had half a season’s worth of all star production.

    For as much of a bust as Montero is or has been the 3?s he put up last season were what Headley has done every year except the secon half of last year.

    Montero was 22yrs old in the majors. Headley @ age 22 was putting up mediocre #’s in high A ball.

    For all the knocking of his catching skills he’s become the personal C of the best pitcher in the league and has caught a no hitter….not bad

  36. mick May 8th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    i never stopped to wrap my head around the logic of batting the pitcher 8th?
    anybody?

  37. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    I’m still pulling for Phelpsy even though the Yankees think he belongs in the Pen.

    I hope he twirls a gem.

    Maybe that would open some eyes.

    Besides, I’d like Ivan to have some competition.

    ;)

  38. Warning Track Power May 8th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    This line up is destined for success
    Way to go Joe

    Toss that binder out with the rest of the trash

  39. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Phelps hits the game winning grand slam.

  40. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Girardi came up with the idea Mick so it’s genius.

    And they thought Maddon was clever.

    :)

  41. yclept May 8th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    champ -

    If Felix Hernandez was only a great pitcher on the days Jesus Montero caught him, perhaps there would be a reason to conclude that Montero has something to do with it.

    But it doesn’t matter one bit who catches King Felix.

    If this part of the game REALLY did matter and Montero had some sort of magic way of working with pitchers, why not catch him when a MEDIOCRE pitcher is on the mound?

  42. ac1 May 8th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    so Romine finally gets to play, but gets the confidence boost of batting AFTER the pitcher?

    WOW

  43. hardwired7 May 8th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    For a lineup that just witnessed Ben Francisco batting fifth, David Phelps batting eighth barely merits a “meh”.

    Reverse-lock mode engaged!

  44. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
    You do realize that if you kept or traded your top trade chip for a bat, then you wouldn’t need to trade 4 more of your farm prospects for that missing bat that you still lack. As for the pitching, looking like we miss Pineda or the bat we lack? (Rhetorical question; no need to answer)

    ======================

    T.H.I.S!!!!!!!!!!!

  45. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    ac-

    :) :)

  46. mick May 8th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    mtu- i always liked phelps but have some suspicions that batters get on to him the 2nd and 3rd time thru the lineup.
    he also seems to get perturbed easily.
    these are things we don’t see in the infatuation stage.

  47. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Jack Curry@JackCurryYES 4m
    According to @yestoresearch, Don Larsen hit 8th twice and 7th three times in 1957.

    champ, he did have a much better second half last year, and put up very good numbers while catching. He just needs reps. Getting away from even the new Safeco might help as well.

  48. ac1 May 8th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    7 more days until David Adams can come up.
    Since Youk will likely be back close to that too, I’m thinking that Adam’s can go for Francisco since we have no need for 5 OFs when Nix can also play OF.

  49. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Ty Hensley’s Mom posting on RAB is hilarious and awesome.

  50. ac1 May 8th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    i guess for the 100 players on the DL, we are lucky to be 18-13.
    Still we cannot beat the good teams more than 1 out of 3 and that won’t work.

  51. Niblick May 8th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    If this doesn’t prove beyond a doubt that Binder Idiot Joe is doing everything in his power to humiliate and crush Romine, then nothing does. Girardi is a small, weak horse’s behind.

  52. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    I’m surpised Joe didn’t just go with 8 men.

    That would be tryin’ something too.

    Just concede that out.

    Who knows, in addition to being a versatile Pitcher, Phelps might just have some silver slugger in him.

    ;)

  53. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Katie ?@itsawesomebaby 36m
    @jnorris427 new pitching coordinator has to be responsible for them going as deep as they can into games.
    __
    Very like. I have noticed that too.

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    But it doesn’t matter one bit who catches King Felix.

    If this part of the game REALLY did matter and Montero had some sort of magic way of working with pitchers, why not catch him when a MEDIOCRE pitcher is on the mound?
    ///

    Yeah, Felix is just good. But here’s how he worked his magic helping Felix today:

    Hit a GW HR in the seventh
    Threw out a runner
    Picked off a runner

    Not much more you can ask of your catcher.

  55. fantasygame101 May 8th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    There is no snow in Colorado today and tomorrow? how about storm in KC and Cleveland from Friday thru Monday?

  56. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Niblick May 8th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
    If this doesn’t prove beyond a doubt that Binder Idiot Joe is doing everything in his power to humiliate and crush Romine, then nothing does. Girardi is a small, weak horse’s behind.
    ——-

    “, then nothing does”

    Glad we could put that to rest.

  57. mick May 8th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Girardi came up with the idea Mick so it’s genius.
    =============================
    LaRussa made it popular.
    Something about bunting before the #9 , I think.

  58. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    “All Ty wants to do is play ball and impact people’s lives that’s it. He is more determined to do that then ever. So you might call him and these other prospects a bust because of their misfortune. I don’t know the ultimate plan for them , but I do know that those guys could probably all teach most of us a thing or two about commitment, winning, and over-coming adversity.”

    You tell them, Mom Hensley!

  59. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    mick-

    I’m not seein’ what your seein’ apparently.

    Maybe you’re right and he just won’t be able to navigate lineups the 2nd or 3rd time thru ?

    I’ve seen many games where he did.

    As far as the perturbed thing goes. I haven’t really noticed a problem with that.

    He’s a good competitor and he wants to succeed just like the others.

    I think the last outing amde you lean that way.

    I’m hoping that was more the exception.

    Phelps pitched many good games last season against tough competition. and he doesn’t fold up like a cheap tent.

    I think he has plenty of grit.

    That’s what I’m goin’ by.

    Maybe I’m wrong. You know I’ve been there before.

    ;)

  60. mick May 8th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    The theory

    “So why on earth would TLR decide to move his worst batter (the pitcher) down the order? Surely it is conventional wisdom that the pitcher should bat last because he is the least effective hitter?

    Not so quick. The theory is that by batting the pitcher in the number eight slot then the number nine hitter has a better chance of getting on base and being driven in by the number two to four hitters (or specifically Pujols in this case).”
    ====
    TLR=LaRussa

  61. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    comnsnse,

    I think we have done very well considering our drafting position over the years… The problem lies in the development of that talent… Sure, some head scratching picks the last few years on the 1st round, but overall the talent added hasn’t been bad at all… I mean, we can actually talk about 10 or more prospects that might have a future in the bigs…

    The problem lies in that instead of developing being the number one priority… It is winning now, so some players have been messed around for the sake of the “Win now” mentality… Then we have traded some players that woud have kept us competing and at the same time rebuilding for the same reason ( they rather have the developed goods than wait three years for that to happen ). Right now the team has no choice but to rebuild.

    Oh by the way, Headley can help, but we are more than one bat short for the future… therefore, exchanging several prospects in exchange for one bat would be shortsighted. Maybe not for this season, but for several seasons ahead

  62. Rich in NJ May 8th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    I haven’t read this yet, but Marchand recommended it:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....n-magazine

  63. ac1 May 8th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Granderson begins rehab tomorrow night?
    Good.
    If we aren’t going to get much anymore from Wells, Francisco and Boesch – might as well have our back to back 40 homer guy in there….

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Katie ?@itsawesomebaby 36m
    @jnorris427 new pitching coordinator has to be responsible for them going as deep as they can into games.
    __
    Very like. I have noticed that too.
    ///

    Yep, that’s a trend we can get behind. I’ve been complaining for a few years now that these kids don’t get pushed enough and aren’t allowed to try and work out of trouble.

    Always liked Gil’s personality and I really liked what he had to say in his interview with Norris, about allowing his pitchers to find what internally clicks for them to help guide them mechanically, rather than trying to force something that doesn’t feel natural for them.

    It’s early but so far, so good :D.

  65. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    luis, seems pretty obvious to me. ;) FTR, if there are no rainouts or changes, JRam pitches this Sunday, the 12th and then next Saturday.

    Out to get some air before the game.

  66. fantasygame101 May 8th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    actually, batting 9th is better than batting 8th for a young hitter. He will not be thinking if the pitcher will be pitching around him. I only hope that this is one of the reason and not that girardi thinks phelps is better than romine.

  67. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Pruf, yep. Liked that they did that with De Paula as well letting him stay in when he loaded up the bases and then got out of it with the 2 K’s. Kid is a beast.

  68. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    “Not much more you can ask of your catcher”.

    =================================

    Yes there is Primo…. He actually blocks several pitches in the dirt as well… He receives the ball well, has a good arm and has improved the blocking exponentially… So, he is no DH… He is a catcher

  69. mick May 8th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    I think the last outing amde you lean that way.
    ============================
    MTU
    not really.
    he gets angry out there when things don’t go his way.
    he’s hard on himself. so is andy but he doesn’t show it.
    the kid blew up on himself and imploded hitting 2 batters when he blew the 4 run lead which began Boesch’s misplay that eliminated the DP possibility with the next batter.
    you could see it in his body language and facial expressions.
    this could come with time…

  70. RadioKev May 8th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Maybe it gives you a shot at one more pinch hit too?

    But yeah, who would you rather Robbie be trying to drive in? Romine or Phelps? Who gives you a better chance of getting on in front of Robbie?

    It honestly probably doesn’t make a huge difference and you can argue it however you like. It’s not like he’s batting Phelps 2nd.

  71. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Later YF… I arrive at 4 pm

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    “Not much more you can ask of your catcher”.

    =================================

    Yes there is Primo…. He actually blocks several pitches in the dirt as well… He receives the ball well, has a good arm and has improved the blocking exponentially… So, he is no DH… He is a catcher
    //

    Primo, I agree. I saw him handle very well Felix’s change in the dirt in that game at NYS last year, in which he took Kuroda deep.

    His good arm he showed off today, throwing out a runner and picking off the same guy. He’s learning on the job.

    We agree, He is a catcher :) He’s in town next week. Looking forward to seeing him.

  73. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    I agree on Patterson’s policy… Pitchers need to learn how to face adversity and overcome it… Otherwise, they will never be able to pitch on the MLB

  74. champ809 May 8th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    The issue is not that Montero is responsible for Felix’s performance, of course he’s not. Although King Felix is off to a much better start this season with Jesus as his catcher than he got off to last year when Jaso and Olivo caught him.

    The point is top pitchers generally would refuse to be caught by an inferior C and i think it shows that at least Felix sees the potential in Jesus and I’m sure him being a fellow venezuelano y panna helps.

  75. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Mick-

    I think your giving too much weight to one game.

    He had a bad game and maybe he overreacted because he wants that starters job. Who knows ?

    I have seen enough of him this year and last to make believe he doesn’t have a tendency to implode very often ala AJ.

    He is is a bulldog out there with plenty of grit.

    I’m hoping he gives us a quality start tonight.

    I want to be able to smile right along with him.

    And if he happens to flop I still won’t give up on him quite that easily.

    ;)

  76. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    edit: make me. sorry.

    :(

  77. mick May 8th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    And if he happens to flop I still won’t give up on him quite that easily.
    ===================================
    Whether he flops or succeeds, both terms being relative, he’s not winning this job so fast.
    I am not abandoning him, just looking at the big picture.

  78. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    champ809,

    Felix is not particularly easy to receive as well… He is dominant, but he is no Maddux command wise… Plenty of pitches in the dirt to block… I think that’s where he has improved incredibly… And the ball transfer for the glove to the hand as well

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    champ809 May 8th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    The issue is not that Montero is responsible for Felix’s performance, of course he’s not.
    ////

    Somebody needs to tell Girardi that catchers aren’t responsible for a pitcher’s performance ;)

    It heartens me to see Yankee fans who continue to care about Jesus Montero. We had him so long in the system and we had such hopes for him taking over for Jorge and being that plus hitting catcher that has been central to Yankee success.

  80. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Primo,

    if all goes well… i’ll be on Sunday in NY

  81. Brian May 8th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Maybe next week, when Romine gets his third start, Girardi will use the DH for him. Maybe Ben F.

  82. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Mick-

    I’m glad you will support him win, lose, or draw.

    I like having the company.

    How he performs as a starter should have an effect on future outcomes.

    Even if it isn’t right now.

    If he does well he raises his stock. If not it declines.

    Hope he gets a sufficient # of chances is all. I think he has earned some consideration.

    Jury is still out on him.

    That’s my take.

    :)

  83. yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Luis, Sunday game is at 1pm. :( I’ll be back for first pitch.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    uis May 8th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Primo,

    if all goes well… i’ll be on Sunday in NY
    ///

    That is awesome, primo. Let me know when you do: have to figure out how to juggle 3 teams (possibly a fourth, if Dellin pitches in SWB) and work sked. We’ll make it work! :D

  85. charlestonchew May 8th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Jesus I cannot wait for Granderson to be back. Just adding him to the lineup will make it infinitely better. This lineup just gives me the chills.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Felix should pitch Tuesday night in the Bronx, if they’re off on Monday. Will check that later, but I’m guessing that’s their travel day.

  87. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    MTU,

    Sorry to cut in… Pitching is tough, most times you don’t have all your pitches working , sometimes you have them all and sometimes you don’t have any or you miss your spots ( command )… The ability to adjust is the difference between an ace and the rest… Clunkers are part of a pitcher’s life… One bad start from Phelps is just that, one bad start… He will have his fair share of those, same will happen with Hughes and Nova… The key is how they bounce back from them and to keep those clunkers to about 30% of their outings

  88. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    yankeefeminista May 8th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
    Luis, Sunday game is at 1pm. I’ll be back for first pitch.

    :(

  89. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    JAP,

    I want to go minor leaguing…Sure, I want to see him… But I want to see the baby bombers!!

  90. MG May 8th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    MTU-from what I’ve seen of Phelps in person (2X) he has trouble pitching out of the stretch as he tends to pull his pitches.

    I didn’t see his last start but apparently he had the same problem when he gave up the runs.

    This isn’t anything new for him but it’s something he needs to fix in order to be successful in a starting role.

    Watch for it tonight and let me know what you think…

  91. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Luis-

    I understand that. That was my point to Mick. That Phelps just had a particularly bad game last time out.

    I have seen many good games, some great ones, out of Phelps.

    And as I told Mick, I believe he has the right makeup to start. As well as the stuff.

    Nova has been given many, many chances and yet he is still inconsistent.

    Perhaps he should go back to AAA again to work on that like the last time he needed to do something ?

    And if he did, maybe Phelps could get his shot ?

    Just sayin’.

    You know I wish the best for both.

    ;)

  92. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    MTU,

    MG has a very good eye too… He is a good Lohud scout

  93. MG May 8th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    I don’t understand the continued use of Cano in the 2 hole when there is nothing behind him.

    Get some guys on and let him hit with runners on base. There are 4 lefties out of the

  94. MG May 8th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    I don’t understand the continued use of Cano in the 2 hole when there is nothing behind him.

    Get some guys on and let him hit with runners on base. There are 4 lefties out of the 5 in the order anyway.

  95. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    MTU,

    They are both a work in progress… Asking consistency from them at this point is a little bit far fetched… It usually takes three seasons, sometimes more

  96. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    MG-

    I will. But I hope he very few guys on.

    Anyway, that sounds like a fairly minor item to fix.

    :)

  97. luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Phelps rushes a little from the stretch, so he opens up his shoulder a little too early causing the left to right flight of the ball we see

  98. comnsnse May 8th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Luis, you’re so reasonable, fair and compassionate but the Yankee system reminds me of the Broadway play, Promises, Promises.

    For the record however you are suggesting the system has prospered under the Newman/Tampa cabal and Cashman’s 8 yr. reign?

    You further attribute their lack of pitching and positional players not ready for current prime time to “development”? Isn’t that the primary role of the system?

    I will continue to hum the title song of the play until I see a more concrete example of what you suggest.

    How about Queen’s “We are the Champions”!

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock May 8th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Primo – we will hit the mil parks! Come back in June for short season and we’ll go see Andujar and Santana! :)

  100. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Luis-

    They are not going to get forever with the Yankees and that’s pretty atypical of their patience level.

    Hughes is only young guy who they have stuck with that long.

    I think the clock is running on Nova, and the time is growing short.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing what Phelps can do in a backend job.

    Like Berkman said, Nova has doberman’s nipping at his heels.

    He needs to find that consistency soon IMO.

    ;)

  101. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Nova has better stuff.

    Phelps way better command.

  102. Niblick May 8th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    “Stuff” is the most overrated concept in baseball. Knowing how to pitch means a lot more.

  103. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

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    Nova has great trouble with his FB command.

    They tried fixing his delivery but no results so far.

    Maybe a AAA stint would do him good ?

    :)

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    You further attribute their lack of pitching and positional players not ready for current prime time to “development”? Isn’t that the primary role of the system?

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    How about Queen’s “We are the Champions”!

    ========================================

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    It is what they do with that talent afterwards that I don’t think they have done a good job with… For example: Hughes and Joba ( Both rushed and jacked around )

    Also that they have prioritize “winning now” over development.. For example, instead of keeping Ajax, they traded him for Granderson.

    Also, their almost pathological over reliance on vets over rookies and their more than recorded lack of patience with the rookies. They need to produce right away or they are toast. That’s an unfair amount of pressure… The only two cases I have seen patience are Cano ( they had no other choice ) and Hughes ( poster guy of the regime? )… Not everybody is Trout or Strasburg… It usually takes two to three seasons for a player to actually reach his potential, sometimes more ( R Johnson is a very good example )

    I think now they will be forced to actually endure a full fledged rebuilding… there is a huge gap between our current players and their potential replacements… This didn’t have to happen, but it has.

  105. Doreen May 8th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

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    First, Romine was always going to catch. Just not on OUR time frame.

    Second, interesting lineup.

    Maybe Joe doesn’t want Romine to be pitched around? Maybe he’ll get a better at-bat situation hitting after the pitcher? Hey, however it works out, it’s interesting!

    Now, over to read Ty Hensley’s mom’s (!!!) post!! Which I think is way cool of her to do, by the way.

  106. Warning Track Power May 8th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    You know darn well that Girardi had a conversation with Romine before the line-up was posted.
    And the reason behind the line-up makes a lot of sense, now that the media has been made aware of the thought process.

    Sad the media has to jump to conclusions before getting the real story.
    SHAME ON THEM

  107. champ809 May 8th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

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  108. Niblick May 8th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    WTP – that’s pure BS on Girardi’s part. If it makes sense for this game, it makes sense for other games as well. And the Binder has never done this before. He just wants to crush Romine, because he’s already a much better player than Girardi ever was.

  109. luis May 8th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    MTU,

    I agree on your posts… Except two things… One, a season and a half is not enough time. especially with the upside Nova has ( I am on record saying that he has an even higher ceiling than Hughes )… Maybe a triple A stint might do him so good, but that last start when he got injured, his first inning his mechanics looked very consistent and compact. He was keeping the ball down with the FB.

    The problem I have seen with Nova is that they are tinkering with him too much.

    On Phelps, he has a dobberman attitude and good stuff… But his ceiling is limited ( 4th or 5th SP )

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    I just read Mom Hensley’s Post.

    AWESOME!!!!

  113. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    For anyone that didn’t click the link, I think it’s worth posting Ty’s mom’s whole post:

    ” mhensley17 says:
    May 8, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Good Afternoon,

    I have never posted on a blog site before but given the false information out there I felt the need to go ahead and give you guys some facts. 1)Ty is my son 2)The proudest day of his life was the day he was drafted by the Yankees. 3)He was named after a guy my husband played with because at the time I thought Ty sounded like a baseball name not because I had any idea who Ty Cobb was.

    Now let’s cut to the chase… Ty’s hip condition has nothing to do with the shoulder non-injury issue that was discovered after the draft. For inquiring minds…Ty hates the word “abnormality” and he thanks me all the time for that one. We just didn’t know what to call it at the time so that’s the word we used in the press release. He has a sublabral foreman. It is a congenital condition that is present in less than 5% of the population. You can do the research and see why at first glance it caused the Yankees concern. We didn’t know he had it and there are no symptoms. It is a normal variant of the labrum that because of it’s rarity there just isn’t a lot of experience with, nothing to compare it to. It works for Ty. He has never had any soreness in his shoulder, no laticity, sits 92-94 and tops out 97-98. It took 5 of the best doctors in the US to reach that diagnosis. If you think a scouting department could have known about that prior to draft day you are crazy. In addition if you think parents are going to subject their asymptomatic kids to contrast MRI’s to find things you are as equally crazy as that is medically unethical. The Yankees were at every single one of Ty’s games, as were all the clubs that were in the mix, he had a better then normal physical exam and his medical history was squeaky clean…he never even had a broken bone..pretty remarkable for kid who had been playing three sports competitively since he was 5. For those that don’t know 2012 was the first year we had to submit medical records before the draft. All the teams received copies of any primary care records along with xrays, mris, and medications. The Yankees did their job with Ty and he was just glad to get the shoulder thing put behind him and show everyone what he he had. Then in what was his last outing in the DR he strained an AB pretty bad. He recovered came back to ST and in his first outing struck out the first three guys he faced and blew out another ab and that’s when we discovered he had FAI. You can look up the medical jargon. Apparently since about 15 or so due to his rapid growth and playing sports year round his abs have been doing all the work his hips should have been doing because they could not rotate in the socket. Abs heal just fine…and Ty’s recovery on his hip has been awesome! He is 19 and Dr. Kelly is amazing. Discovering this now probably gave him years on his career. It is actually odd that the abs compensate for the hips it’s usually the arm in pitchers The UCL or R Cuff a lot of times pays the price. All Ty wants to do is play ball and impact people’s lives that’s it. He is more determined to do that then ever. So you might call him and these other prospects a bust because of their misfortune. I don’t know the ultimate plan for them , but I do know that those guys could probably all teach most of us a thing or two about commitment, winning, and over-coming adversity.

    So in a nutshell Ty has a congenital normal variant in his shoulder and after this year will have hip rotation… which he had 0..think about that one, he is 19, 6’5, 220 has a three pitch arsenal and loves being a Yankee dammit!

    Will he need something done on his arm someday who knows???? If I am a betting person I would say yes because he is a pitcher for pete’s sake and who knows if he does if it will be his shoulder, elbow, or his pinky nothing about what we know today warrants any kind of conversation about it.

    What I do know I am gonna hear it from Ty for posting this….”

  114. luis May 8th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Doreen,

    You missed some good stuff

  115. bigdan22 May 8th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    That post by Mom Hensley on RAB is like the best post in the history of the internet. I didn’t know a mom could be both a baseball scout and an orthopedic surgeon! Going to call my mom now and chat a bit.

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    Niblick May 8th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
    WTP – that’s pure BS on Girardi’s part. If it makes sense for this game, it makes sense for other games as well. And the Binder has never done this before. He just wants to crush Romine, because he’s already a much better player than Girardi ever was.
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  118. Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    luis May 8th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Phelps rushes a little from the stretch, so he opens up his shoulder a little too early causing the left to right flight of the ball we see

    —————-

    Good observation.

  119. Doreen May 8th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    luis -

    Anything other than the usual? LOL

  120. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Luis-

    Take a look at Nova’s #’s for his 4 yr. career.

    And then take a look at Phelps over his 2 yrs.

    I just did. Guess who has better numbers ?

    I understand that Ivan has great stuff but he has a really hard time with his FB command.

    He gets it together for stretches and then just loses it for equally long ones.

    At this point, much as I love the kid, I am beginning to wonder if his mechanics will ever allow him to consistently command his FB ?

    I wish both these kids well. I just think maybe it is time to give Phelps more of a sustained look ?

    Ivan can once again try to work it out in AAA.

    Guess we’ll see.

  121. comnsnse May 8th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Luis, they really had no patience with Cano. They were prepared to trade he and Wang to the Dbacks the year before they acquired Randy Johnson!

    You serious about Oppenheimer doing an incredible job?

    Only if you’re referring to Robert!

    Re: the Hensley comments, maybe the Yankees should have spoken to Mom before the draft.

    Their recent history trying to rehab sore armed pitchers is not exactly uplifting.

  122. luis May 8th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Shame,

    I am proud of that mom!!

  123. ac1 May 8th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Red Sox people were touting Webster as a future ace.
    Not a good start to that career….

  124. MTU May 8th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    Enjoy the game folks.

  125. luis May 8th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Shame Spencer May 8th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
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    Phelps rushes a little from the stretch, so he opens up his shoulder a little too early causing the left to right flight of the ball we see

    —————-

    Good observation.

    ======================

    Credit MG about noticing his control issues from the stretch… I just noticed what I think is the reason for it ;)

  126. luis May 8th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Doreen May 8th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
    luis -

    Anything other than the usual? LOL

    ====================

    Wow!! You are tough as iron!! ;)

  127. tbone1570 May 8th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Ty’s Mom rocks!!!!

    Sometimes it’s tough to remember that these guys (and in this case kids) are human beings and while it’s easy to throw bad comments their way, it can have an impact on the kids and their families.

  128. luis May 8th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    comnsnse May 8th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
    Luis, they really had no patience with Cano. They were prepared to trade he and Wang to the Dbacks the year before they acquired Randy Johnson!

    You serious about Oppenheimer doing an incredible job?

    Only if you’re referring to Robert!

    Re: the Hensley comments, maybe the Yankees should have spoken to Mom before the draft.

    Their recent history trying to rehab sore armed pitchers is not exactly uplifting.

    ==================================

    That says more about their internal talent evaluations than anything else… Suffice is to say that I am not a big fan of the “rappeler in chief” ;)

    But once he was called up ( Cano ), they were patient with him.. That’s an exception not the rule.

    No, I was actually referring to Damon! ;) We have guys like Mason, Heathcott, Sanchez, Murphy, Flores, Austin, ManBan, J Ram, De Paula, Santana, Montgomery, Claiborne, just to name a few…It is what they do with it afterwards that concerns me.

  129. luis May 8th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    MTU May 8th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
    Luis-

    Take a look at Nova’s #’s for his 4 yr. career.

    And then take a look at Phelps over his 2 yrs.

    I just did. Guess who has better numbers ?

    I understand that Ivan has great stuff but he has a really hard time with his FB command.

    He gets it together for stretches and then just loses it for equally long ones.

    At this point, much as I love the kid, I am beginning to wonder if his mechanics will ever allow him to consistently command his FB ?

    I wish both these kids well. I just think maybe it is time to give Phelps more of a sustained look ?

    Ivan can once again try to work it out in AAA.

    Guess we’ll see.

    ========================

    We’ll see… Have a good one

  130. Captain Clutch May 8th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    The Yanks need to leave Nova in AAA for as long as he needs so he can figure things out. It sounds like they are going to bring him back for one of the doubleheader games. That’s fine if he is going to go back to AAA after the start. Otherwise I really don’t like the move. He was terrible before the injury and Phelps deserves to start over him. They can’t keep sending him out there and ignore his issues and think they will be solved over night.

  131. Doreen May 8th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    luis -

    There are days when I know I have nothing to add to the conversation, usually because it’s running counter to my opinions. ;) (Today I was just out and about.)

  132. luis May 8th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

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    There are days when I know I have nothing to add to the conversation, usually because it’s running counter to my opinions. (Today I was just out and about.)

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    Well, for my part I enjoy your input ( whether we are in agreement or not ) :D

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