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Random thoughts from Missouri

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 10, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I flew into Kansas City last night, and I landed to find an email with the subject line: “trade.” Not what I wanted to see when it’s roughly 1:30 in the morning out east. Turned out, it wasn’t exactly a stop-the-presses move, but the Yankees trade for Alberto Gonzalez certainly says something about the state of the Yankees infield.

A few random thoughts as the Yankees are about to open a series here in Kansas City.

Preston Claiborne• The Rockies have been a pretty good offensive team this season. There were some names in that lineup that might not be immediately familiar to those of us mostly follow the American League, but the Rockies lead the National League in slugging, on-base and batting average. They easily lead their league in runs. The fact the Yankees held them to five runs in three games carries some weight. With this depleted lineup, the Yankees must pitch well. And that’s happening right now.

• Speaking of which, Adam Warren and Preston Claiborne have been pretty good. Granted, Claiborne only has a handful of innings, but those innings have been promising. So who goes down when Joba Chamberlain comes back? Claiborne? Shawn Kelley? Vidal Nuno to get stretched out as a starter?

• Maybe a better question is, what’s next for Ivan Nova? Seems like the big league rotation, the big league bullpen and a demotion to Triple-A each have some merit. David Phelps looked awfully good two days ago. Is it possible Phelps and Nova will start Monday’s doubleheader as a kind of one-day, head-to-head competition to be the fifth starter?

• Obviously beggars can’t be choosers, but you could argue that Curtis Granderson is the injured position player the Yankees have missed the least this season. He also seems to be the closest to being activated. He should bring some welcome power, but the outfield has actually been pretty good this year, and the Yankees have plenty of left-handed bats.

Robinson Cano• Vernon Wells had gone cold, and so had Robinson Cano, and this lineup had almost no chance without those two. The past two games for Wells, and yesterday’s two-hit game for Cano must have been a huge sigh of relief. The Yankees desperately need those two.

• Speaking of which, I thought of this when Cano was clearly feeling some pain in his foot yesterday: He’s going to need at least a half day off one of these days. Probably against a left-hander with Travis Hafner on the bench, Cano at DH and the Nunez-Nix-Nelson trio in the infield. He doesn’t take many days off, but you just know he’s going to get one at some point, maybe during this long stretch of games.

• In Colorado, Joe Girardi said something about Brett Gardner not being very aggressive on the bases early in the season, and Gardner stole a bag the very next day. Gardner’s always been a streaky hitter, and I feel like he’s a streaky base runner too. Maybe I’m wrong about this – I’m kind of thinking outloud here – but doesn’t it seem like he’ll occasionally steal a couple and then start running more and more? I wonder if Girardi’s words can push him into that sort of aggressive streak.

Mariano Rivera• I wonder if Mariano Rivera returning to Kansas City is a big story in Kansas City? Do fans there care that the greatest closer of all time tore his ACL along their warning track?

• Honestly, I understand why so many people want Austin Romine to get more playing time. I also understand that he was hitting well in Triple-A and there’s a sense of missed opportunity when his bat was kept on the bench. But I’m not convinced he’s a better player, right now, than Chris Stewart. I think he could be, but I don’t think it’s crazy to think he’ll have to prove it by showing something when he’s given a chance. Stewart’s worked well with this pitching staff, and right now the Yankees best hope is to keep that staff pitching well.

• If Melky Mesa weren’t striking out at an absurd pace, surely he’d be in the big leagues right now as a right-handed alternative to Ben Francisco. Same might be true for Thomas Neal if he hadn’t gotten hurt. As it is, the Yankees best right-handed bats in Triple-A are probably David Adams (who can’t be called up yet) and Ronnier Mustelier (who was just activated a few days ago). Zoilo Almonte’s been good, but he’s been much better from the left side. Would he be worse than Francisco’s been so far? Well, that’s a fair question.

• By the way, the Yankees are in first place.

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180 Responses to “Random thoughts from Missouri”

  1. blake May 10th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    “• Speaking of which, Adam Warren and Preston Claiborne have been pretty good. Granted, Claiborne only has a handful of innings, but those innings have been promising. So who goes down when Joba Chamberlain comes back? Claiborne? Shawn Kelley? Vidal Nuno to get stretched out as a starter?”

    does Kelley have options? If so…put him on a bus to Scranton

  2. blake May 10th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    “• Maybe a better question is, what’s next for Ivan Nova? Seems like the big league rotation, the big league bullpen and a demotion to Triple-A each have some merit. David Phelps looked awfully good two days ago. Is it possible Phelps and Nova will start Monday’s doubleheader as a kind of one-day, head-to-head competition to be the fifth starter?”

    he needs to work some things out in AAA…

  3. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 8:59 am
    BD-

    Good morning. Pitching does win. Look at the Yankees pitching stats compared to the league, or filter it just to the AL.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t.....rder/false

    The Yankees are in the top third in team ERA 3.68, but near the bottom in BAA .262, near the middle in strikeouts, and with that near the top in least base on balls.

    Does this have any meaning? Are the Yankees pitchers giving up too many hits but leaving runners stranded? Is this sustainable?

    Thoughts anybody?

    Blake- Saw your response.

  4. blake May 10th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    “But I’m not convinced he’s a better player, right now, than Chris Stewart.”

    I don’t know if he is right now or not either…..I think the question though is if they are considering him as a possible future starting catcher for them then how is he ever going to get better if he doesn’t play? If the plan for this season is that Cervelli is the guy and he’s gonna play every day when he comes back then ok…..you just go with the best you have now and try to make due until he gets back…..I think it depends on what they think Romine is really.

  5. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Thanks for the Update Chad.

    Hope you get to visit your folks.

    You made a very good point about “not rocking the apple cart” when it comes to the Pitching.

    The Pitching has been the life preserver so far.

    And Stewart has been a big part of keeping on an even keel.

    Don’t know why I missed that point before.

    Maybe it’s just the way you phrased it.

    :)

  6. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Blake-

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Nuno start one of the DH games.
    For KC series it’s:

    Hughes vs Davis
    Pettitte vs Shields
    Kuroda vs Santana

  7. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    One last thing Chad.

    If you happen to bump into Marlon Brando around the Missouri Breaks I’d appreciate an autograph.

    Or the Outlaw Josey Wales for that matter.

    :)

  8. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    YT-

    It’s almost like facing TB pitching.

    It would be nice if Shields comes up small.

    That KC team can swing it.

  9. comnsnse May 10th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Chad, I believe you are correct in your Romine assessment.

    However why stunt his already delayed growth when you have another veteran catcher in 3A, Bobby Wilson to share duties with Stewart?

    Simply doesn’t make sense unless Romine is not in future plans.

  10. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Did the weather in Denver play a part in keeping these games low scoring?

    I don’t know what more you can ask of Mr. Phelps. He pitched a gem. He works fast. He has a good pickoff move and struck out Cargo on a wicked CU.

    Put him in the rotation and pitch him and Nuno on Monday. Send Nova down to work on his mechanics.

  11. RadioKev May 10th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    I was joking about Aune by the way ;)

    Wishing on him is like wishing on a lotto ticket at this point.

  12. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    YT-

    It is good to have you in my pitching advocacy group.

    Sometimes feel like I’m on an island there when I tout giving Rodney Dangerfield an extended look.

    :)

  13. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    ” Obviously beggars can’t be choosers, but you could argue that Curtis Granderson is the injured position player the Yankees have missed the least this season. He also seems to be the closest to being activated. He should bring some welcome power, but the outfield has actually been pretty good this year, and the Yankees have plenty of left-handed bats.”

    Hopefully he’ll be working on hitting to the opposite field, because opposing teams would be crazy not to use the shift on him. He can’t buy a groundball hit against the shift.

  14. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    YT-

    Phelps has fringy stuff.

    #5 starter at best.

    Better suited to the Pen.

  15. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    blake

    It seems that the only reason Romine was brought up was because Cervelli got hurt.

    It also can benefit him working with Pena.

    I know many won’t agree but he can also learn from Stewart.

  16. astrocityfan May 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Speaking of long range SS im jumping on the Fiorito bandwagon now. That way i cant be accused of front running later. :)

  17. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Maine-

    He could have just watched instructional videos and saved the Yankees a ton of money.

    Who needs live games ?

    :)

  18. Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    I miss Jeter the most. :(

    I think in terms of how much they could help, it’s: Jeter, Alex, Grandy, Tex.

  19. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Does anyone know much more about catcher, Jeff Farnham?

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=571658

  20. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    YT-

    No. But I know a lot more about a catcher named JR Murphy.

    And I think everyone will eventually.

    ;)

  21. blake May 10th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Maine,

    Yea I don’t disagree…..and honestly I agree with Chad in that I’m not sure Romine would be any better than Stewart right now. However…..I’d like to know exactly what they think Romine is? Do they think he’s there starting catcher going forward or do they just think he’s a guy? Right now…..it seems like they think he’s just a guy and more of a back up because they are burning service time and an option and he’s sitting on the bench and not playing every day……

    It seems like they probably think Cervelli is better than Romine and maybe he is.

  22. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    YT-

    Phelps has fringy stuff.

    #5 starter at best.

    Better suited to the Pen.
    ————————-

    OK, enough with the joking. I know you better than that! :)

  23. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Blake-

    I’d like to see a Cervelli/Romine tandem.

    To be followed by a Sanchez/Murphy tandem someday.

    :)

  24. blake May 10th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    “I think in terms of how much they could help, it’s: Jeter, Alex, Grandy, Tex.”

    I would maybe put Tex in front of Grandy just because they need him bad vs LHP….but those two are close. Honestly they really miss a healthy and productive Arod more than anybody but that guy seems to be long gone……I miss Jeter the most by far just personally……it’s not the same without him

  25. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    What about Youkilis ?

    :(

  26. blake May 10th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    MTU,

    yea maybe that’s what they are thinking for 2014. Cervelli/Romine then phase into the murphy/sanchez era when those guys are ready.

    Murphy could be ready by 2014 realistically if he keeps hitting…..Sanchez is probably 2015 at the earliest.

  27. Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Is MLB still investigating the SS Diaz..?

  28. blake May 10th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    “What about Youkilis ?”

    oh yea…..he can play somewhere when he’s not hurt :)

  29. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Blake-

    Sanchez/Murphy might be a real barnstormer.

    Something to dream about.

    2 good hitting catchers with decent D.

    Offense lives !

    :)

  30. Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    I just kinda figure Youk will be in and out so I wasn’t going to consider him for that list.

    The only reason I consider Tex the least valuable is because he plays a position we can cover fairly easily with Youk, Overbay and (what the hell!), WELLS lol.

  31. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Blake-

    I think the Yankees should put the best Team they can on the Field at all times.

    Look for upgrades wherever possible from within their ranks.

    ;)

  32. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    blake

    It seems like they probably think Cervelli is better than Romine and maybe he is.

    ——————————————————————————————

    For the present I think that’s true.

    I don’t pretend to know what they think of him for the future.

    Don’t you think Joe and Tony have an idea how to develop a catcher?

  33. 86w183 May 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I don’t know what more you can ask of Mr. Phelps. He pitched a gem. He works fast. He has a good pickoff move and struck out Cargo on a wicked CU.

    Put him in the rotation and pitch him and Nuno on Monday. Send Nova down to work on his mechanics.

    ***************************************************************************

    Amen, brother.

    Phelps has earned more starts and Nova must improve the command of his fastball.

    Romine being eased in is a bit frustrating, but it is typical of the Yanks with young players and in no way should be construed as him “not being in their plans”.

    Looks like RH starters facing the Yankees at least the next four games. That’s a good thing.

  34. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I miss Jeter the most.

    I think in terms of how much they could help, it’s: Jeter, Alex, Grandy, Tex.
    ————————-

    Jeter definitely. He would add the right handed bat that can consistently take the ball the other way. I was hoping, had Mustelier not gotten hurt, that he would have provided that type of bat.

    I actually think ARod will be back this season.

    Granderson will help with power numbers. Will they try and trade him at some point, if they don’t expect to offer him a contract after this year?

    I’ve said this before, and I hope I’m wrong, but I’ll be surprised if Tex is 100% recovered from the torn tendon sheath in his right wrist to bat from the left side.

  35. Rich in NJ May 10th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    I like Axisa, but this is so short-sighted, it’s comical:

    You won’t get him for free just because. Would Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams, Brett Marshall, and a fourth guy be enough? Maybe. Would I do it? Sure, especially if the Yankees plan on scrapping the 2014 payroll plan. The upgrade from Ivan Nova/David Phelps to Lee is legitimately four or five wins over…

  36. MTU May 10th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Rich-

    Lee again ? For that haul ?

    He’s got to be kidding.

    Anyway, his wife likes the shopping in Philly.

  37. Bo knows May 10th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Just a throw in – Arenado

    Whooey, can the boy pick it at 3B! And the range – Wow. That is one good looking baseball player.

  38. blake May 10th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    “Phelps has earned more starts and Nova must improve the command of his fastball.”

    I get the allure on Nova……he does have really good stuff but for whatever reason his 95 mph fastball doesn’t play like that. Hitters see the ball really well off him and he is up and in the middle of the plate way too much. He needs to either add more deception to his delivery or he has to sink the ball more and keep it down…..if addition to becoming more consistent with his breaking pitches.

    Phelps controls bat speed much better and he manipulates the ball well also….cutting it and sinking it and does a nice job of keeping guys off balance. I just agree that he’s earned the right to stay in the rotation for now…..Nova has had a lot of chances……it’s Phelps’s time

  39. Bo knows May 10th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    I like Axisa, but this is so short-sighted, it’s comical:
    ———-
    Ditto on Axisa. A must stop and read daily.

    I think he’s working himself too hard. He’s becoming entrenched about some things and exhuming Lee is a head scratcher.

  40. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Anyone curious why Betances is being skipped? May we actually get to see Betances Monday in Cleveland?

  41. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    You won’t get him for free just because. Would Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams, Brett Marshall, and a fourth guy be enough? Maybe. Would I do it? Sure, especially if the Yankees plan on scrapping the 2014 payroll plan. The upgrade from Ivan Nova/David Phelps to Lee is legitimately four or five wins over…
    ___

    Very short sighted. For 4 prospects, Philly better be paying Lee’s salary….

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    ac1,

    That’s exactly what I came in here to ask.

    I really hope it’s not to be an emergency guy for Cleveland series, I wouldn’t mess with him just yet, let him continue to build on what he’s been doing.

    Chad? Any thoughts?

  43. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    ac1, I saw that last night, and speculated myself about where they would pitch Betances. However, last week when Bootcheck was listed Dellin actually ended up pitching before him, so we shall see. I wouldn’t take Dellin off his usual routine though because he has been pitching well. Why have him wait so many extra days to pitch? It is a prescription for getting him out of whack mechanically.

  44. jacksquat May 10th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    • The Rockies have been a pretty good offensive team this season. There were some names in that lineup that might not be immediately familiar to those of us mostly follow the American League, but the Rockies lead the National League in slugging, on-base and batting average. They easily lead their league in runs. The fact the Yankees held them to five runs in three games carries some weight. With this depleted lineup, the Yankees must pitch well. And that’s happening right now.

    Alright, there has been some posting of stats here without context or consideration of their importance.

    First, this bit by Chad (sorry). You need to consider the park the Rockies play in. If you want to look at one stat, take OPS+, the “+” meaning it is adjusted for the park(s) they play in. The Rockies’ OPS+ is now 104, which is still #1 in the NL, but not far outpacing everyone else; the Giants and Braves also have a team 104 OPS+. Not to diminish the Yankees’ pitching in this series, it was still very good.

    Also, I’ve seen a few people talking about BAA (batting average against) to measure our pitching. This is not that significant a stat, it’s just batting average. And we know that there is more to hitting than just batting average. If you want to look at one stat, ERA+ is not bad, the Yankees have the 5th best ERA+ in the AL.

  45. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Pruf, I was going to tweet Donnie last night, but he mentioned it this AM, and he’ll get info tonight. I thought yesterday that maybe they’ll start him in the Yanks DH, but that gives him 3 extra days of rest, a potential prescription for less than stellar control/command after too many days off.

  46. randy l. May 10th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “Don’t you think Joe and Tony have an idea how to develop a catcher?”

    you’d think that, but how did cervelli under their charge in 2010 and 2011 go from a guy who threw out 34% in the minors turn into a 14% guy in throwing out runners. that was about as bad as it gets in the majors. pena and girardi were there everyday in 2010 and 2011 to help cervelli with his throwing, yet he deteriorated under them.

    the throwing had to be the reason he was sent down last year. my understanding is it was the catching coach down there who got cervelli throwing well again.

    so are pena and girardi the gold standard in developing catchers ?
    not necessarily.

  47. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Do you still think the Yankees will still try and toe the line and try to be under the 2014 LT threshold.

    Looking at the salary committments:

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tpQLwiiQL4kzEzLhsUqVjLQ&output=html

    They could extend Cano and field a starting OF of Wells, Gardner, and Ichiro, an infield of Tex, Cano, Jeter, Arod, Cervelli at catcher and fill in the bench with a catcher, 4th OF’er, two multipurpose utility infielders so that Jeter and ARod can DH more often.

    The starting pitching will be the key in how the Yankees will spend dollars if they plan to stay under the threshold.

    I’m not convinced they will take this route, especially seeing how easily they might again have to field a substitute team to account for the players who might again spend significant time on the DL.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Pruf, I was going to tweet Donnie last night, but he mentioned it this AM, and he’ll get info tonight. I thought yesterday that maybe they’ll start him in the Yanks DH, but that gives him 3 extra days of rest, a potential prescription for less than stellar control/command after too many days off.
    ///

    YF, He’s a PTBNL for AGon…..kidding, kidding…although with these people, you just never know.

    Yeah, don’t want them to upset his routine just now, let him keep building on what he’s done. Hopefully, there’s no injury or no trade in progress..

  49. CountryClub May 10th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Jorge Arangure ?@jorgearangure 5m For @SportsonEarth: How Phil Hughes’ slider has turned him into the pitcher everyone has wanted him to be

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/47103196/

  50. Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Yankee Trader -

    I’m hoping the Yankees look at where their payroll started out this year (fairly tame) and where it ended up because of unforeseen circumstances. Yes, this year it’s pretty extreme, but they’ve got to see how difficult it will be to stay under or at 189. Everything would have to go as planned. This year is the epitome of very little going as planned.

    On the other hand, I really would like for them to reset the LT penalty so they can get more for their money payroll wise in the future. I don’t know why I care, it’s not my money, but if you can save money that ends up going to someone else and use it for yourself, why shouldn’t you?

    I cannot see them sticking with it at this point. I guess we’ll see.

  51. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    randy

    so are pena and girardi the gold standard in developing catchers ?
    not necessarily.

    ———————————————————————–

    Gold standard is your term not mine.

    I’m not going to try to convince you because you have your take on things.

    I just don’t agree.

    Doesn’t mean I’m right cause I have no knowledge of catching.

    I found it hard to catch when I closed my eyes every time a hitter swung. :D:

  52. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    They could extend Cano and field a starting OF of Wells, Gardner, and Ichiro, an infield of Tex, Cano, Jeter, Arod, Cervelli at catcher and fill in the bench with a catcher, 4th OF’er, two multipurpose utility infielders so that Jeter and ARod can DH more often.
    ____

    I believe Alex will be the full time DH next year and I believe either Heathcott or Austin will be starting for us in 2014. I also hope Adams and Musty get a real chance to start at 3rd and we hold onto Nunez to back up Jeter and the IF.

  53. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Jack-

    I mentioned the Yankees BAA, only to pose a question?

    The Yankees pitching walk rate was low, they were in the middle of the MLB teams in strikeouts and the BAA was .262, down near the bottom 6 of all MLB teams.

    Doesn’t that mean that many of the baserunners on base due to a hit? My question was is the ERA or ERA+, sustainable in your opinion?

  54. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    randy

    Also when we played in the hayfield we didn’t have the luxury of enough to have a catcher.

  55. austinmac May 10th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    As much as it is painful to watch Stewart hit, I don’t know if Romine will hit better. He has been a so-so hitter for most of his milb career. I hope he gets more chances, but I think many are a bit over the top in expectations. He will be lucky to be average.

    I don’t think the win loss record is sustainable unless they get some more offense. Of course, it didn’t seem sustainable for the O’s last year either.

    This KC series will be tough. They are a much improved team.

  56. Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    It would be interesting if they gave Dellin the nod…

    I’ve been trying to figure out if there’s any way they’d call up Wang for that game but couldn’t find his game logs to see when he last pitched. Does anyone know?

  57. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Shame, Wang won’t be called up. He is still working on his breaking pitches, and his fb velo isn’t impressing right now. He is still trying to build arm strength and improve on his arsenal.

  58. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    …Wang is scheduled to pitch tomorrow in SWB. I also think Yanks said he is not an option for the DH.

  59. hardwired7 May 10th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    They definitely miss Jeter owning LHP.

  60. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    What is Nuno’s purpose on this team?
    Is he even stretched out enough to get a game on Monday?
    Soon they will be loaded with long men once Nova gets back.
    Send Nova and Nuno down, bring up Rapada.
    Give Betances the start if he’s ready.
    Romine can catch him.

  61. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    I’ve been trying to figure out if there’s any way they’d call up Wang for that game but couldn’t find his game logs to see when he last pitched. Does anyone know?
    ___

    They won’t mess with the 40 man unless it’s for Adams and Musty.

    Betances is on the 40 and he may really just be here to back up Nono or Warren.

    Since CC only went 4 yesterday, he will probably start one of the two games and i assume Warren or Nuno will start the other.

  62. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Pruf, SWB never updates, so I have no theories regarding Dellin’s next outing. Although last night when I didn’t see him listed, the DH did cross my mind… I assume he is healthy and it wouldn’t make sense to have him be a PTBNL, especially not for AGon (I know you were joking).

  63. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 10:16 am
    It would be interesting if they gave Dellin the nod…

    I’ve been trying to figure out if there’s any way they’d call up Wang for that game but couldn’t find his game logs to see when he last pitched. Does anyone know?

    ————————————————————

    If you’d stop making eyes at Chad and read what he writes I think he explained about Wang recently. :D:

  64. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    This KC series will be tough. They are a much improved team.
    ======================
    Their pitching sure has improved.
    Feels like we are facing TB.

  65. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Jack-

    Does the component ERA Ratio, have much meaning?

    Look at the attachment:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t.....rder/false

  66. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Bringing up Rapada would require a move to the 40 man.

  67. blake May 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    I like Axisa too but he’s kinda developed this thought that all prospects bust so you should just always try to win now……Trading Gary Sanchez and Mason Williams for Cliff Lee would be crazy considering 1) it wouldn’t guarantee a WS in any way 2) it would totally throw another wrench into the budget plans 3) it would take the 2 best prospects from the system.

  68. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    CC isn’t starting on Monday.

  69. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    And actually Rapada is in the same boat at Adams.
    Can’t be promoted until 5/15.

  70. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    CC isn’t starting on Monday.
    ____

    Why not?
    He threw 50 something pitches yesterday.

  71. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Nuno is stretched out. He started 4 games for SWB in April, last one on the 21st and went 5.2 innings.

  72. randy l. May 10th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    “Also when we played in the hayfield we didn’t have the luxury of enough to have a catcher.”

    maine yankee-

    we played the same way. it cut down on the pitching too :)

    my take on girardi is that he is conflicted on his views of catchers. i don’t think he ever got over posada replacing him because of posada’s offense.

    he could have stayed with the yankees longer as a back up to posada, but he chose to go to the cubs to be a starter. to me , being a back up to posada on the yankees would have been better than starting for the cubs. girardi chose that for himself.

    girardi is a great baseball guy, but he definitely has his personal ego too. it does appear he wants to win with the kind of catcher that he was. only his shrink would know for sure.

  73. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Yanks said C. wasn’t starting Monday. He’ll start Tuesday vs. the King.

  74. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Why not?
    ========
    b/c joe said so.

  75. Russell Munson May 10th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Is Lee even worth what he’s going to be paid over the rest of his contract. I’m not sure he’s worth taking even for free.

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Thanks CC, excellent read on Hughes. What I love about the kid is he is thoroughly undeceived and very thoughtful, open, about himself.

    Love that he went back to his HS grip on his slider. Still would say his fastball is his best pitch, but the slider puts him on the next level and gives him another weapon to put away hitters.
    ///

    Shame,

    I don’t want to see Dellin taken out of his current comfort zone, not just yet. He’s the forgotten prospect, but he’s really pitching well right now and there are fundamental differences from that outlier 2012 season that have me convinced he’s coming back to us. Just too soon to disrupt his progress, IMO.

  77. Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    I think Girardi said CC is not an option to start in the DH.

    blake – a lot of fans (not Lohudites) do not have a high opinion of prospects overall. Passing interest, and maybe more if one gets hyped, but many people believe as Axisa seems to.

  78. CountryClub May 10th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    like Axisa too but he’s kinda developed this thought that all prospects bust so you should just always try to win now……Trading Gary Sanchez and Mason Williams for Cliff Lee would be crazy considering 1) it wouldn’t guarantee a WS in any way 2) it would totally throw another wrench into the budget plans 3) it would take the 2 best prospects from the system.

    ————-

    To be fair, he said it could only happen if the Yanks scrapped the 189 plan. Plus, as I know you know, most prospects (even top ones) flame out.

    That said, I dont think I would do that deal either unless Philly was picking up a lot of the money left on his deal.

  79. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    If Nuno is stretched out, let him start then send him down.

  80. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Yanks said C. wasn’t starting Monday. He’ll start Tuesday vs. the King.
    ___

    Thank you I didn’t see that.

  81. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    I don’t want to see Dellin taken out of his current comfort zone, not just yet. He’s the forgotten prospect, but he’s really pitching well right now and there are fundamental differences from that outlier 2012 season that have me convinced he’s coming back to us. Just too soon to disrupt his progress, IMO.
    ___

    Too late. Whether they are bringing him up or not, they have already taken him out of his normal routine.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I assume he is healthy and it wouldn’t make sense to have him be a PTBNL, especially not for AGon (I know you were joking).
    ///

    I was….I think ;). Seriously, I don’t take anything for granted any more with these guys..

    I don’t want him brought up right now. Let this good run become more muscle memory first before they start fooling around with him.

  83. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    lol, I wouldn’t put Sanchez in a Lee package. Lee chose not to come here, and didn’t do much for the Phillies when everyone expected them to win a WS; I pitching is doing fine. Let Lee be exiled elsewhere.

  84. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    *our pitching

  85. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Nuno has wasted time up here. He is not a lefty out of the pen. More like a lefty long man.
    Nelson seems to be blocking Musty or Adams right now.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Too late. Whether they are bringing him up or not, they have already taken him out of his normal routine.
    ///

    Well, he’s been pushed back a day here and there without ill effects, but bringing him up now, that’d really be upheaval – I wouldn’t mess with the run he’s on.

  87. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Sanchez for Lee?
    Now that I am against.

  88. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    ac1, not necessarily, although like I said I immediately thought of the DH when I saw Dellin not listed. However, SWB is notorious for not having the right pitcher listed on their probable pitchers sched…

  89. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    randy

    I don’t see that trait in Joe that you see.

    He comes across as a strait shooter to me.

    Maybe because I live in the backwoods of Maine I look at things differently.

  90. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    ac1, you’re welcome. Should be a good game that I may have to attend. Felix is pitching very well.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    blake – a lot of fans (not Lohudites) do not have a high opinion of prospects overall. Passing interest, and maybe more if one gets hyped, but many people believe as Axisa seems to.
    ///

    Doreen, I think some of that is just adopting the classic skeptic view to sound smart, rather than taking any real inventory on specific prospects. Conventional wisdom is on the side of anyone who just hand waves prospects without discrimination. Sure, most bust, duhh… Kind of reminds me of some of the quantum research that classical physicists don’t want to even bother to review… Not saying this is true of Axisa (I think he’s a bit smarter than that) but just that folks who dismiss prospects without any real hard look at this or that guy are easy to dismiss :D

  92. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Nuno has wasted time up here. He is not a lefty out of the pen. More like a lefty long man.
    Nelson seems to be blocking Musty or Adams right now.
    _____

    I worry they will not get rid of Nelson to open that roster spot but I still hold hope that on 5.15, we hear Granderson/Musty/Adams up and Nelson/Boesch/Francisco DFA (since we need two 40 man spots for Musty and Adams). And yes i know Grandy may not be ready by the 15th.

  93. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    ac1, you’re welcome. Should be a good game that I may have to attend. Felix is pitching very well.
    ___

    Felix is going to murder our offense.
    If we get 3 hits against him I will be stunned.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    ac1, not necessarily, although like I said I immediately thought of the DH when I saw Dellin not listed. However, SWB is notorious for not having the right pitcher listed on their probable pitchers sched…
    ///

    They’re god awful. Even Donnie Collins is vowing to investigate, which would be a first for him ;)

  95. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    I doubt they bring up Musty and Adams together.

  96. blake May 10th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    CC,

    yea….I don’t think they are scraping the 189 plan though.

  97. Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    fem – Thanks. I’ve barely been able to keep up with all the details posted.

    Actually reading the articles would take away from the time I spend bothering you folks. :twisted:

  98. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Can’t say how much I missed the Carston Charles Sabathia intro yesterday.
    Always look forward to that.

  99. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    I doubt they bring up Musty and Adams together.
    __

    Probably not but there is certainly an argument to be made

    Adams – Nelson (It’s Adams’ time and he is killing it)
    Musty – Francisco (he cannot be worst than Francisco)
    Granderson – Boesch (lefty for lefty when Grandy is ready)

  100. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    ac1, Felix is really pitching well right now, but sometimes we do surprise and hit the good pitchers. We did have that one good game–11 hits?–against Felix last May. Cano was 4 for 4. So… we shall see.

  101. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    The Indians offense will be a “handful” for whomever is pitching. Lead the league in homers, amongst the very best in runs scored and OPS.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting

  102. CountryClub May 10th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Blake,

    Neither do I.

    As far as Nuno, how long has it been since he threw those 3 innings? I wouldnt mind seeing him get a chance on Monday, but I can’t imagine he’s going to be sharp.

  103. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Doubt Nova gets the start Monday as it puts them back in the 6 starter mode again.
    Give Phelps his starts and let Nova rehab.
    Perfect scenario for awhile.

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Russell Munson May 10th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Is Lee even worth what he’s going to be paid over the rest of his contract. I’m not sure he’s worth taking even for free.
    ///

    Though I abhorred the proffered trade for Lee that blew up when Dave Adams’ ankle did, at least the logic at the time was that we might be a pitcher away.

    This team has pitching and not enough hitting that Cliff Lee is going to tip the scales and make it a legit WS threat. Times have changed.

  105. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    randy

    I don’t blame Joe for wanting to be a starting catcher for his hometown Cubs.

    Just like I’m sure you’d grab the opportunity to catch for your hometown RS. :lol:

  106. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Shame, supposedly Wang’s sinker is sinking better with less velo but when he is throwing it harder it is not sinking. Last year he got his velo on the sinker up, so I am hoping for the same without his sacrificing sink. I know they are asking him to throw more breaking pitches–25% was the mandate for last start. As they don’t think his stuff will play without the breaking pitches. He pitches tomorrow. I’d love to go, but will instead have to keep an eye on him on milb-tv, as I have hockey concerns right now. ;)

  107. mick May 10th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Nuno and Warren for Monday is the way I see it.

  108. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    The Indians offense will be a “handful” for whomever is pitching. Lead the league in homers, amongst the very best in runs scored and OPS.
    ___

    Our pitching has been very good. We do not give up a lot of runs, but the offense has to pick it up. Colorado has great offense and they held them down. Same with Oakland.
    It sucks we are playing the Indians now that they are good instead of when we were headed for an easy 4 game sweep last month.

  109. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    YF-

    King Felix might have to pitch a shutout. The Mariners are currently one of the worst “offensive” teams.

    Does anyone know how many times CC has given up a first inning run/runs in his starts this season?

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Betances’s on 40-man so that what worries me…

  111. CountryClub May 10th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    This team has pitching and not enough hitting that Cliff Lee is going to tip the scales and make it a legit WS threat. Times have changed.

    —————

    Obviously this is all hypothetical. We don’t even know if Lee is on the market. I’d have to see the exact deal before I knew if I was for or against the trade. But you wouldnt just be adding Lee for this yr. You’d also have him for next year when one or both of Pettitte/Kuroda could be gone (Hughes too).

  112. randy l. May 10th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    maine yankee-

    if you take a quick look at girardis career you’ll see what im talking about.

    http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml

    girardi won three rings with the yankees and after winning a ring left on his own choosing for more personal playing time. he got 900 more at bats with other teams the rest of his career.

    i would think 450-500 at bats as a yankee to back up to posada and finishing his career as a yankee would have meant more, but that was girardi’s personal choice .

    girardi clearly did not think yankees first when he left for a starting job elsewhere. that’s just history.

  113. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    I see no rush to bring Nova back.
    Pitch in AAA and get his secondary pitches working and find some consistency.
    Phelps is holding down the fort as 5th starter and Warren and Nuno have been impressive.
    Pitching (starting and relief) is not even close to being the issue with this team.
    That being said: 20-13 with this offense is IMPRESSIVE!

  114. David in Cal May 10th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Wells looked smooth fielding that grounder at 3B the other day. Suggested this fantasy thought: When Grandy comes back, could Wells start at 3B?

  115. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    YT, C. has a 9.00 ERA in the first inning, 1.133 OPS.

  116. Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    David in Cal May 10th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Wells looked smooth fielding that grounder at 3B the other day. Suggested this fantasy thought: When Grandy comes back, could Wells start at 3B?

    ———————

    I’m not trying to undermine the gamer attitude Wells took on but if we’re being fair, he didn’t exactly have to make a Gold Glove play. It was kind of a slow bouncer and not all that difficult to field. I think if you put him there for a full game he’d be passable but would maybe give you D that’s worse than Youk’s.

  117. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Adams – Nelson (It’s Adams’ time and he is killing it)
    Musty – Francisco (he cannot be worst than Francisco)
    Granderson – Boesch (lefty for lefty when Grandy is ready)
    ———————————
    I’ll second that ac1!

  118. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Wells looked smooth fielding that grounder at 3B the other day. Suggested this fantasy thought: When Grandy comes back, could Wells start at 3B?
    ___

    Joe is probably having a nightly orgasm looking over his roster and thinking about matchups for the OF and DH once Grandy returns.

  119. Russell Munson May 10th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Yes, that Wells play was about as easy a chance as a 3B could have. It took a chest high hop to his left and he had plenty of time to plant his feet and set and make the throw.

    I can’t even imagine what would happen if he had to backhand a play and throw across his body to nab a speedy runner.

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    CC,

    I would not give up any high-end prospects for Cliff Lee, who accepted Philly’s offer even though we threw in one more year, and saw fit to make a snide remark or two about the Yankees in the process.

    More importantly, another old guy blocking our young starters is the last thing this organization needs, IMO.

  121. Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    J Alfred -

    I really think for most folks it comes down to the use of their time and their other interests. We here are obviously obsessed to some extent with baseball in general, Yankees baseball in particular, and many of us are further “obsessed” with following minor league baseball as well in varying degrees (and I mean no disrespect with the word “obsessed”). Different strokes for different folks, really.

    My brother-in-law loves the Yankees, but he only knows the minor league guys that Francesa talks about, and really has no interest in going to see a game in Trenton, though I’ve invited him a few times. He knows I’m interested, so he will double check sometimes on the stuff Francesa says, and if I can set him straight, I do! LOL He’s just more interested in the parent team in the here and now. I think my BIL is fairly representative.

    Heck, until we started to go to Trenton for family outings (before they were a Yankees affiliate), I had no interest in minor league baseball, either. And then, combined with the informatlon and exposure I get here, well, it’s a big part of my baseball fandome.

  122. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    I would not give up any high-end prospects for Cliff Lee, who accepted Philly’s offer even though we threw in one more year, and saw fit to make a snide remark or two about the Yankees in the process.
    ___

    We don’t need starting pitching.
    CC/Kuroda/Pettitte/Hughes is as good a 1-4 as there is (especially since this is a walk year for Hughes)…. He has looked real good over the last 4 starts.

  123. Russell Munson May 10th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    “Though I abhorred the proffered trade for Lee that blew up when Dave Adams’ ankle did, at least the logic at the time was that we might be a pitcher away.

    This team has pitching and not enough hitting that Cliff Lee is going to tip the scales and make it a legit WS threat. Times have changed.”

    It’s also probably petty but after Lee spurned the Yankees I have no interest in seeing him in pinstripes. He made his bed, let him lie in it.

  124. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    randy

    Probably Posada told them to get rid of him because we all know they hated each other.

  125. Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    randy -

    The only thing is, Girardi had a dream of one day playing for the Cubs, and he took that opportunity at the back end of his career. I’d do the same in his shoes. Take the opportunity to play for your boyhood favorite team? Sure thing!

  126. Russell Munson May 10th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I especially loved how one of Lee’s rationalizations was that the Yankees were too old compared to the young and exciting Phillies.

  127. Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Maine Yankee –

    Ha!! Now, that’s a spin we haven’t heard – Posada giving the Yankees an ultimatum!!! LOL

  128. Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Lee should NEVER EVER EVER be considered.

    It would be one thing if he simply took the better offer. But he went the extra mile and “dissed” the team that had courted him for quite a while.

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    I thought Wells showed good athleticism on that 5-3 play. Why not – he’s always been a very good athlete. His problem was being pull happy at the plate. He’s in a stadium now where he knows that won’t play and preferred to continue playing, so he made adjustments. Good for him. Let’s see if he can sustain the good habits over a larger period of time.

  130. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    YF-

    Thanks for the info on CC.

    I have to go.

    Jacksquat-

    You are probably busy, but if you have the chance reply to my question posted at 10:22 about the Component ERA?

    I’ll check back later. Basically I want to know if you look at all the Yankees pitching stats will their pitching success be sustainable?

  131. blake May 10th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    another reason I don’t want Cliff Lee is just because I don’t like Cliff Lee

  132. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Doreen

    Since I started hearing about some of the players coming up it has increased my interest in going to see Trenton when they come to Portland.

    It changes how I watch a game because I have gotten some knowledge of some of the players to follow.

  133. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    randy, was Girardi even offered the opportunity? I distinctly remember him standing on the podium at the end of the Canyon of Heroes parade with fans shouting for him to come back. He was at the mike at the time. Then I remember him saying that it was up to the Boss, or they’d have to talk to the Boss. My understanding was that he wasn’t asked back. But I don’t know for sure.

  134. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    And what the heck happened in that Angels game last night?
    And how long is MLB going to let the Umpires screw up these games?
    I am not Scoscia fan but he got screwed last night.
    How they cannot accept the protest is beyond me.

  135. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 10:57 am
    Maine Yankee –

    Ha!! Now, that’s a spin we haven’t heard – Posada giving the Yankees an ultimatum!!! LOL

    ——————————————————————

    Just trying to counter some of randys spin with some of my own. :D:

  136. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    trisha, that was Bernie. I don’t recall that with Girardi.

  137. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Doreen – and to your point about the minors. It’s easy to have the obsession when one of the affiliates is in your own back yard. If I were a Sux fan, I’d be at Pawsox games continually.

  138. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    As for Lee, agree. He is not Yankee material. Sorry, dude.

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “trisha, that was Bernie. I don’t recall that with Girardi.”

    YF, no it was also Girardi. It had to be in his contract year, so whenever that was. I watched it on television and remembered hoping he’d be back. Somewhere there has to be footage of that, I would think!

    :)

  140. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 10:58 am
    Lee should NEVER EVER EVER be considered.

    It would be one thing if he simply took the better offer. But he went the extra mile and “dissed” the team that had courted him for quite a while.

    ————————————————————

    Didn’t Cashman say he only wanted players that wanted to be there, not just for the money?

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    YF, without having to wade through all the posts, did someone actually suggest Lee?

  142. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Didn’t Cashman say he only wanted players that wanted to be there, not just for the money?
    ____

    Ship kinda sailed with Teixeira no?

  143. 86w183 May 10th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    CC, Andy, Kuroda, Phelps, Hughes, Nova, Warren, Nuno and Pineda

    Why exactly is there a Cliff Lee debate raging?

    If the Yanks make a significant addition it should be for an OF bat. They already potentially have Youkilis, Teixeira, A-Rod, Overbay and Hafner for 1B/3B/DH later in the year.

    Gardner + Nova and prospects might generate a pretty nice OF bat.

    I don’t expect it to happen. I expect them to go with the roster as it evolves around the returning players currently on the DL.

  144. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    trish, Axisa on RAB answered a question regarding whether he would deal for Lee and what he would give up, I believe.

  145. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    86, it was a hypothetical, and yeah, we kind of have pitching covered, and are in major need of a bat.

  146. Yankee Trader May 10th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Anyone-

    “Alright, so who’s heard of Component ERA, abbreviated as ERC? ERC is the pitchers equivalent of BABIP, a stat the measures how lucky or unlucky a batter is to have the average that he does. ERC is a stat that measures the ERA that a pitcher should have, based on the hits and walks that a pitcher gives up. The formula is rather long for me to post and dissect here, but you can find it on Wikipedia anyway.

    An ERC higher than a pitcher’s ERA means that the pitcher has been lucky to not have given up more runs. An ERC lower than a pitcher’s ERA means that he’s been unlucky. This is also measured by the ERC%, or ERC divided by ERA. An ERC% above 1 is lucky, below 1 is unlucky. Lucky teams are more likely to regress, while unlucky teams are more likely to impove.”

    Yankees ERC% compared to league:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t.....order/true

  147. Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I think Axia was talking Lee this morning. I don’t think there’s real interest.

    If we were going to get anyone from the Phillies on a good deal we should have pushed for Brown.

  148. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    trishas anti Posada agenda goes way back.

    I kid I kid. :D:

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    YF, ah. Just one of those hypotheticals. The two main reasons I could think of not to go anywhere near Lee would be:

    1. Lee didn’t want NY before

    2. NY doesn’t need Lee

    and not necessarily in that order.

  150. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 11:08 am
    Didn’t Cashman say he only wanted players that wanted to be there, not just for the money?
    ____

    Ship kinda sailed with Teixeira no?

    ————————————————–

    No

  151. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 10th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    “trishas anti Posada agenda goes way back.

    I kid I kid. :D : ”

    LMAO, truly!

    Actually I think if you go through the archives, and also check the NY Times Yankees forum archives – my time there started prior to 1998 – you’ll find that I truly started to tire of him behind the plate (I know, not my right) circa 2009.

  152. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    How so MaineYankee?
    Tex made it VERY clear he was going where the biggest offer (from a contender) came.
    He’d be in Boston now if not for the last minute stealth move to offer him an extra $10M.

  153. 86w183 May 10th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Tex made it VERY clear he was going where the biggest offer (from a contender) came.
    He’d be in Boston now if not for the last minute stealth move to offer him an extra $10M.

    ***************************************************************************

    Not sure that’s exactly true, but if so the odds are he’d be in L-A and Adrian Gonzalez would be in the Bronx…. or on the DL.

  154. blake May 10th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    #screwCliffLee

  155. MaineYankee May 10th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    If I recall Tex chose the Yankees because of his feelings for Mattingly .

    I’m not sure but I also seem to remember his wife not liking Boston as much as NY.

    Also nearer to his home in Baltimore.

    Also I seem to recall the RS management did something that didn’t endear him to them.

    Either Henry Or Luccino got involved if I recall.

  156. ac1 May 10th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Not sure that’s exactly true, but if so the odds are he’d be in L-A and Adrian Gonzalez would be in the Bronx…. or on the DL.
    ___

    I know, my point is Cashman saying we just want people who want to be here is inaccurate considering how much money we have to throw at these people to get them here.

  157. Russell Munson May 10th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    “I know, my point is Cashman saying we just want people who want to be here is inaccurate considering how much money we have to throw at these people to get them here.”

    I think there’s some truth to it, and Chad even wrote about it here.

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....nterested/

    =========================================================
    “I won’t tell you the name, but there was a guy that was on vacation, and there happened to be a Yankee fan that we knew that was on vacation with him in Mexico,” he said. “All he did was badmouth this place, but I can’t tell you how many times he called trying to get a job here when things didn’t go well in free agency for him, and he was desperate to come here, (saying) ‘Oh, I want to be a Yankee.’

    “And I wouldn’t even take the call. I was like, you’re so full of it. I even told his agent, ‘Look, tell your client, our people were right there with him drinking those pina coladas when he was badmouthing us. He doesn’t want to play here. He just wants our money.”
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  158. CountryClub May 10th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    To be clear, I am not saying the Yanks SHOULD trade for Cliff Lee. I was just commenting on the topic.

    But, while the yanks have pitching covered for this yr, they have one proven starter on the books for next yr. Keep that in mind when you say they have enough pitching.

  159. blake May 10th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    I absolutely think the Yankees target players they think want to play for them….or at the very least they target players who they think would fit the culture they have tried to create.

  160. blake May 10th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    “But, while the yanks have pitching covered for this yr, they have one proven starter on the books for next yr. Keep that in mind when you say they have enough pitching.”

    yea but I’m not sure adding a guy Lee’s age is the solution unless Philly eats most of the contract….and I can’t see them doing that. I’d rather try to get Andy and Kuroda back another year and re-sign Hughes.

  161. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Donnie Collins?@RailRidersTT 31m

    Latest blog post: Thoughts on Montgomery, Cotham and Betances. http://blogs.thetimes-tribune......-betances/

  162. Warning Track Power May 10th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    I doubt Mo gets into the game tonight after pitching in 2 consecutive games. More reason for him to “enjoy” himself shagging fly balls during BP tonight in KC.

    Regarding Cano-I think the guy needs a full day off. Give him a full day sometime this weekend and possibly DH him in one of the two games on Monday vs Cleveland.

  163. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    More like Boston was outbid for Teixeira by us when we were still the Evil Empire:

    “Boston executives met with Teixeira and his agent, Scott Boras, last week and were told they were being outbid. Teixeira, who is from Maryland, also had discussed signing with the Orioles.”

    “”From the moment we arrived in Boston in late 2001, we saw it as a monumental challenge,” team owner John Henry said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “We sought to reduce the financial gap and succeeded to a degree. Now with a new stadium filled with revenue opportunities, they have leaped away from us again. So we have to be even more careful in deploying our resources.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3790141

  164. jacksquat May 10th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    YT, I’m not sure how useful ERC% is. It’s an old formula created by Bill James a long time ago. I think I prefer to look at xFIP.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....;sort=18,a

  165. jacksquat May 10th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    The Yankees will probably need to find some new pitching next year, but I don’t want it to include Lee.

  166. Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    I don’t have a problem with a guy targeting two-three teams in FA that he’d be okay with playing. You really never know who is going to come around with the largest bid. And, frankly, it’s nearly always the largest bid that gets the player.

    I also don’t believe that every player that’s ever said it was his dream to play for the pinstripes is 100% genuine. Or even 75% genuine! LOL They want to play for a winning team (Yankees, check) that has money (Yankees,check). I am sure there are players who didn’t want to come here at all and didn’t but who aren’t public about that, because, well, you never know when the Yankees will be the only team willing to pay you at all. :)

    So, Tex wanted to be on the east coast and there were three viable teams at the time. He didn’t NOT want to play here. He did have the Mattingly and growing up a Yankee fan connection, but if the Yankees didn’t swoop in and steal him from the mangled Boston negotiations, he’d be a Red Sox player.

    Now, maybe he was hoping the Yankees would do just that, be he couldn’t count on it.

  167. jacksquat May 10th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Yankee signed pitchers next year:

    1. CC
    2.
    3.
    4.
    5. Phelps

    Nova? Don’t really know what he is atm.

    Pineda? Hopefully he can be the 2 or 3.

    Jose Ramirez would need to earn a mid season promotion to AAA and then impress there as well to have a shot at being in the 2014 starting rotation.

    And none of these guys are lhp after CC.

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    J Alfred -

    I really think for most folks it comes down to the use of their time and their other interests. We here are obviously obsessed to some extent with baseball in general, Yankees baseball in particular , and many of us are further “obsessed” with following minor league baseball as well in varying degrees (and I mean no disrespect with the word “obsessed”). Different strokes for different folks, really.

    My brother-in-law loves the Yankees, but he only knows the minor league guys that Francesa talks about, and really has no interest in going to see a game in Trenton, though I’ve invited him a few times. He knows I’m interested, so he will double check sometimes on the stuff Francesa says, and if I can set him straight, I do! LOL He’s just more interested in the parent team in the here and now. I think my BIL is fairly representative.

    Heck, until we started to go to Trenton for family outings (before they were a Yankees affiliate), I had no interest in minor league baseball, either. And then, combined with the informatlon and exposure I get here, well, it’s a big part of my baseball fandome.
    ///

    re what I bolded: Ya think? ;) :D

    Sure, I can’t get my brother up in Englewood to come down here to Trenton to see the kids (he was tempted when Montero was here, but he didn’t heed my “better hurry” warnings), since for us seeing each other, I usually come up there (having consistent, multiple reasons to go to NYC).

    I was really responding to the “every prospect’s a bust” mentality – definitely that’s folks who don’t go to games but I also wouldn’t lump every fan who can’t trouble to visit minor league parks as folks who wouldn’t be discerning if they did see the kids play.

    Some don’t have the kind of schedule that allows for that and others just have the “I’ll see him when/if he makes it to the Bronx” thought process. For me, Trenton’s nearby so I’ve had the luxury of getting out there often. Although I travel to Staten Island, Lakewood, Reading, and other places within a couple of hours, they’re far away enough that I can’t do it regularly. I will travel, though, to see the high-end guys, (Jose Ramirez in 2010, Charleston team w/Sanchez in 2011, Rafael DePaula last week, all in Lakewood).

    Still burns me up that the Mets blocked Yanks from having Railriders (Nomads) last year from playing their home games in Newark.

    Good thing your BIL cross-checks Francessa’s “insights” with you on our guys :roll:

  169. Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Pineda? Hopefully he can be the 2 or 3.

    ————————–

    C’monnnnnnn baby ace!!

    The Lee thing really is nothing more than a discussion point. But just based on the hypothetical, who WOULDN’T take Lee if the Phillies were going to eat his salary?

  170. randy l. May 10th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    maine yankee-

    the guy i’d advise watching closely when you go to see trenton play the sea dogs is JR murphy.

    he really impressed me when i saw him there.

    he’s got all the tools ,seems to love the game, and is really into improving his catching skills.

  171. Doreen May 10th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    J Alfred -

    Okay, I understand what your point now. :)

    It would have been fantastic for the SWB team to play in Newark last season, at least for the fans!

    I think they actually miss being on the road this year…….. ;)

  172. blake May 10th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    YF,

    thanks for the link.

    It is a little concerning that Montgomery’s velo is down….honestly though 89-91 was about where I saw him in the AFL too. It’s always a little concerning when Yankee prospects’s velocity is down because it just never seems to be “building arm strength”…..it always seems to end up being something else. Hopefully not the case this time.

  173. Frankg May 10th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Makes sense to get Alberto Gonzalez as SS, 2B, 3B backup. If Nix gets hurt, I don’t think they were comfortable with Gil Velasquez at Scranton as his replacement. Nunez gets hurt a lot too.

  174. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Doreen,

    It wasn’t good for the players, but it did yield some great Cervelli-sleeping-in-his-car jokes out of San Francisco ;)

  175. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Blake, MM had a little better velo when I saw him the first times in Trenton in 2012 with nice late movement, but has had decreasing velo since and thrown some flat fb. Maybe he is just fatigued; he has come a long way in a short time period. We’ll see if he is able to build arm strength back up.

    Randy, JR never gives away an AB; such a professional hitter, and he has improved his D a ton since 2010, so I expect him to keep improving. Plus the pitchers love throwing to him.

    For all you prospect huggers, we are a mere month and a week away from short season ball. Staten Island OD is June 17th. :) And DSL games start in 20 days, so more box scores to watch.

  176. J. Alfred Prufrock May 10th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Of the relievers, Burawa’s a guy who I’d like to see after he builds up arm strength. Each time I’ve seen him he can’t find the plate, but having missed 2012 with the oblique, it’s probably going to take a while for him.

  177. Jerkface May 10th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Re: Romine vs Stewart. Chris Stewart is a backup catcher, not a starter, an offensive nothing that is apparently a streaky defender whose saving grace is a metric that is still unproven.

    Treating him like an entrenched veteran A1 guy is absurd on the face. He’s just not that good. Romine is one of the reasons they traded Montero, a guy the Yankees have talked up for 2 seasons despite his struggles, and supposedly one of the next catchers for the Yankees.

    If they can’t take the time to play him now, when will it happen? This is his chance, while Cervelli is down. He doesn’t need to be the starter, but maybe they could alternate series of 2 starts for Stewart and Romine? It seems they are lending a lot of deference to Stewart’s feelings, despite him being a constantly DFA’d dumpster catcher.

    Like for reals am I going to have to watch Chris Stewart next year as well? Shouldn’t the Yankees wanna see if Cervelli/Romine can be the tandem next year?

  178. yankeefeminista May 10th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    More pitching this way :arrow:

  179. Shame Spencer May 10th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    I just can’t get over the umpiring blunders we’ve seen the last couple of days alone….

    Every MLB process, top to bottom, when it comes to the umps needs a major overhaul.

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