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Postgame notes: “They all feel part of something”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 11, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Lyle Overbay

Before tonight, the Yankees had scored more than five runs in just three of their past 25 games. Tonight they scored five in the sixth inning, and if they hadn’t scored more than five, they wouldn’t have won.

“Sometimes baseball doesn’t make sense,” Joe Girardi said. “On a night where we needed some runs, we got them.”

Or, to put it another way.

“There’s never a time when everything is going perfect for a team,” Ichiro Suzuki said. “You’re always going to have to have the hitters or the pitchers come through at certain points and guys stepping up. We always need to be ready and have guys do their job and we’ll be OK.”

During those two wins in Colorado, the Yankees began talking about an all-hands-on-deck approach, about everyone chipping in when necessary. Tonight it was Lyle Overbay at the plate and Shawn Kelley on the mound. It was Jayson Nix reaching base four times and Ichiro Suzuki coming a triple short of the cycle. Overbay’s number probably stand out the most, but the first thing he said after the game was, “I was part of it.”

The Yankees have won 20 of their past 29, which has them in first place in the American League East. At times it’s hard to understand how this team keeps winning despite the injuries, but the answer seems to be a different thing every night.

“I think it’s really nice because I think they all feel part of something that’s really good going on here,” Girardi said. “It’s just not relying on a couple guys and if those guys don’t hit, you don’t score runs. I talk about every player wants to feel like they’re contributing somehow. I think you look at all 25 guys in there, they feel that.”

Phil Hughes• Phil Hughes felt very much a part of his past four starts, but tonight was a letdown with six runs through 5.2 innings. “I wasn’t very good,” Hughes said. “The guys stepped up big, gave me a bunch of runs. I gave away two leads which isn’t a good thing. Those guys kept at it, scored a ton of runs. Fortunately I was able to have my not-so-good day on a day we scored a lot of runs.”

• So what went wrong tonight? “I didn’t have a good fastball, I didn’t have good breaking stuff, and it’s kind of tough to pitch that way,” Hughes said.

• Hughes had not allowed a home run in his past three starts. He allowed two tonight, including one to Jarrod Dyson, who hadn’t hit one all year. “Anybody can take me out of the park these days,” Hughes said. “I don’t really think about that part of it. These are professional hitters. He might be a little guy, but he’s still dangerous. … “I missed with a slider, on a check swing, tried to go back outside with a fastball. It wasn’t in a bad location, but he maybe quickened up, saw too many fastballs inside and that was a killer early on.”

• Dominant pitching performance by Shawn Kelley, who faced seven batters and stuck out six of them. That came on a night when the bullpen was thin. “I really didn’t want to use Mo tonight,” Girardi said. “He just kept getting out after out after out. I had Boone ready to go if a couple guys get on, but he was dynamite.”

• Kelley’s previous career-high was four strikeouts in a game, something he’d done twice. “I definitely wasn’t trying to,” Kelley said. “But I was executing my pitches tonight and I was able to get ahead. When you’re 1-2, 0-2, you can get a little more picky with your location and go with it. I was getting ahead with my fastball, and that was allowing me to use my slider a little later in counts.”

• Tonight was Joe Girardi’s 500th win as Yankees manager. He’s the seventh manager to reach the number (Stengel, McCarthy, Torre, Huggins, Martin, Houk). “I’ve been blessed to have this opportunity,” Girardi said. “Mr. Steinbrenner and Cash trusted me and put me in this position and I’m fortunate. As a child, you dream about playing in the big-leagues. I don’t know if you dream about managing, but as I got older, it was something I really wanted to do. I got a great opportunity.”

Ichiro Suzuki, Jason Nix• Speaking of Mo, Mariano Rivera has the NO MO ZONE sign in the locker next to his. “I’m going to put it right in front of my house,” he said. I’m pretty sure he was kidding.

• Girardi on the sign: “The guys put a little effort into that sign. It had paint and tape and a little bit of everything. We even had to hold him in here a little bit while they put it up. My idea was one of those, sometimes parents have those things that keep kids from walking away. I wanted to give it to one of our guys in the outfield so he couldn’t run away.”

• Overbay said his big night is part of simply feeling better after a slight mechanical adjustment (and a geographical shift). “Those first couple of games (in Colorado) I don’t think I was getting my foot down early enough, and I kind of worked on that today and yesterday too,” he said. “That was big. It’s kind of nice to have new scenery, because I’m terrible in Colorado.”

• We’ll actually give the final word to Hughes: “It seems like we’re clicking in the right areas. You know, when we get good pitching, we score a few runs, just enough. And on days like this, where we don’t pitch as well, we score a bunch of runs. I think we’re just clicking right now, and guys are finding a way.”

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125 Responses to “Postgame notes: “They all feel part of something””

  1. Against All Odds May 11th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    Most orgs don’t have a steady flow of 1-2 type pitchers coming up through their minor leagues…

    ———————

    Most have at least 1 though. Yankees shouldn’t have a rotation full of ones but to have those arms and not have at least 1 top of the rotation guy speaks volumes. It doesn’t take away from the win tonight or the season because they are playing their hearts out. Just wanted to put that in there so ppl didn’t think this was b and moan rant.

  2. Nilsson May 11th, 2013 at 12:58 am

    jacksquat May 11th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    You don’t really have to have watched Betances. Just look at his walk rates. That’s his problem, really his only problem, but a big one.

    ———————————————————————————————————–

    Just to add to your good point, hopefully the spotlight on Betances will also ease up. Following baseball prospects is one thing, but the over-the-top micro analyses on this kid by some was unbearable. He’s got enough pressure placed on him as the local kid.

    I mean talk about minutia of excruciating detail after every outing. He’s got talent and I’m rooting for him, but please let the kid breathe. People need to put away the microscope.

  3. Against All Odds May 11th, 2013 at 1:01 am

    I think him going to the pen won’t ease the pressure because the media and even some fans will say he was supposed to be an top flight starter but didn’t make it. Sherman already had a quote stating the Killer b’s are dead.

  4. ansky712 May 11th, 2013 at 1:16 am

    To me, Girardi is by far and away AL manager of the the year so far (granted, it’s early). He won’t get credit cause he’s doing it with the Yankees, but right now this is a team of other teams’ throw-aways and Cano – and they’re in first place 1/5 of the way through the season. He’s done a phenomenal job.

  5. 4 NYY May 11th, 2013 at 2:30 am

    I said the Yanks wouldn’t win the div. this year and I’m not moving from that. ( yet )

    We’re winning with pretty good pitching and believe it or not, some clutch hitting by the over the hill gang and guys from the dumpster.
    Pitching well with few runs most times.

    I also thought the rest of the div. was catching up and Toronto would be much better.

    I’m not sure we can do any better even when or if we get all of our injured players back.

  6. Jerkface May 11th, 2013 at 2:45 am

    @FeinsandNYDN 9m

    Source: Yankees intend to call up David Adams on May 15 http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1341132

    love it.

  7. sammiejohnson May 11th, 2013 at 3:01 am

    4 NYY May 11th, 2013 at 2:30 am

    I said the Yanks wouldn’t win the div. this year and I’m not moving from that. ( yet )

    We’re winning with pretty good pitching and believe it or not, some clutch hitting by the over the hill gang and guys from the dumpster.
    Pitching well with few runs most times.

    I also thought the rest of the div. was catching up and Toronto would be much better.

    I’m not sure we can do any better even when or if we get all of our injured players back.

    _____________________

    This.

    I sometimes wonder whether we actually want some of our “regulars” back. Why break up a WINNING TEAM. Yes, this team is playing far above their heads. First Place? Why mess with that.

    Both the starting pitching and the pen has been absolutely lights out, so far. Yes they give up a run, here and there. But that “weak” offense always seems to be just one step ahead.

    As for Toronto, I too thought that they would be a contender. Doesn’t look like it.

    In Trisha’s poll I went with 85 wins. Would I pick that number again after this great start? Probably not. If I had a do-over (don’t worry Trisha, I am not asking for one) I would probably go with 88 or 89 wins. I still think the low 90′s wins the AL east and high 80′s get’s a wild card. Either way, I think we are absolutely playoff bound. Can this rag tag bunch keep up this pace? I sure hope so.

    But I am willing to move my expectations up from 85 wins to say…. 88. Remember, the dog day’s of summer are coming.

  8. Jerkface May 11th, 2013 at 3:12 am

    http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=20543

    Re: Catcher framing, this is an interesting article series to check out because they go through and grab gifs of impressive frames/non-impressive frames. Whats boggling to me is Cervelli being on the top list and Chris Stewart not.

    Then chris stewart showing up on ‘worst frames of the week’.

    And also Wieters being really bad at it when he is very, very good at every other catcher related thing. I still don’t buy a lot of it, because of umpires. In fact, I say get robots and then catcher framing wont exist and chris stewart will be shot into the sun.

    Also here is an interesting from an article about Brett Gardner

    Fewer Steals
    Verdict: Real, but probably temporary
    Gardner has attempted only two steals thus far. Both attempts were unsuccessful. And there’s a reason why he hasn’t been in motion more.

    “My job is to get on base, especially with the way our lineup is right now,” Gardner said. “[Robinson] Cano’s hitting behind me, so I need to get on first base, and stay right there. It’s not a case of me trying to get on and steal second and leave first base open. I’m trying to leave that hole open for him.”

    With the Yankees short-handed, Gardner is trying not to take the bat out of their best hitter’s hands. If you drafted him for your fantasy team expecting lots of steals, you’re probably not pleased. But you can expect this to change next month, when the anticipated returns of Curtis Granderson, Derek Jeter, and Mark Teixeira should lengthen the Yankees’ lineup and provide more protection for Cano. Gardner’s legs are too good to be underutilized all season.

    The article also talks about Gardner being more aggressive at the plate, which is a plan K Long is working with Gardner on, deciding when and who to be aggressive against.

  9. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 3:21 am

    Good evening, JF. Good morning anyone else who wanders in before the crack of dawn.

    I wake up, check the scores and can hardly believe the Yanks have won again and this time in pretty aggressive fashion. Joe G. just seems to keep pushing the right buttons and this ragtag unit responds on command. The third best record, percentage-wise, in baseball. Who would have thunk it? We KNOW they can’t keep this up…well, don’t we?

  10. RadioKev May 11th, 2013 at 6:24 am

    Great article on pitch framing, Jerkface.

    Locker room chemistry is one of those funny things, I can never tell if its importance is of any significance. It seems that in the past two seasons the veteran presence has been key.

    I hope Overbay still gets a ring when he’s traded and we go on to win the series ;)

  11. RadioKev May 11th, 2013 at 6:29 am

    What’s going on with Youkilis? Is he ever coming back?

  12. blake May 11th, 2013 at 7:05 am

    Chip says:
    May 10, 2013 at 11:52 pm
    As I said on the last thread. Given the Yankees track record with high level pitching prospects, if the team had drafted David Price he would be the best LOOGY in the league right now.

    I feel very confident he’d be their #1 starter right now…..the Rays didnt develop Price so much as they just turned him loose and let him pitch……the Yankees NEVER are able to draft that sort of pre packaged star like Price was…..they don’t draft high enough.

    As I posted yesterday…..around 24% of the starters who are in the top 4 spots in AL rotations were drafted in the top 25 picks overall…..that means that the Yankees never even had a chance to draft 24 % of the best AL pitchers and I predict that number would be even higher in the NL.

    The yanks don’t have a track record with guys like price cause theyve never had one to develop

  13. RadioKev May 11th, 2013 at 7:14 am

    The yanks don’t have a track record with guys like price cause theyve never had one to develop
    ———-

    Right. Price was coming out of college.

    Joba, Kennedy, Brackman, didn’t compare to Price. It’s not the same.

    Hughes is arguably our best #1 pitcher pick in a while, and we developed him from high school. And we all know the development that has gone into that guy.

  14. RadioKev May 11th, 2013 at 7:18 am

    I think prospects do or don’t work for various reasons.

    Look at Phelps, didn’t he suddenly find a few extra MPH on his fastball? Where did that come from? Development? Maturation and strength development? Natural adjustments to mechanics? It sounded totally unpredictable, but here he is competing in the bigs.

  15. blake May 11th, 2013 at 7:22 am

    “Hughes is arguably our best #1 pitcher pick in a while, and we developed him from high school. And we all know the development that has gone into that guy.”

    Hughes has the most wins of any 1st round pick in Yankee history and he was taken 23rd overall…..he was a good prospect but not a no brainer type fool proof guy or he wouldn’t have lasted to the 23rd pick and the Yanks developed him into the #2 prospect in baseball…….and what he is now is nothing to be ashamed of…..it’s taken awhile but he’s a legit big league starter and far from a bust.

    The Yanks just haven’t had that many shots with pitchers who are actually talented enough to become front line starters……I think that’s what a lot of folks miss…..Justin Verlander wasn’t developed…..he was born and the Tigers drafted him #2 overall and just let him go

  16. blake May 11th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    I do think the Yanks can do a better job developing starting pitching…..but I also think there is a lot of narrative involved with the idea that they can’t because honestly most organizations aren’t good at it and its even harder when you pick at the back of the draft every year.

  17. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Blake – I agree ……. Most number one pitchers in the majors now were high picks……but I hope Manny or JoRam or DePaula come thru

  18. blake May 11th, 2013 at 7:29 am

    GregD says:
    May 11, 2013 at 7:26 am
    Blake – I agree ……. Most number one pitchers in the majors now were high picks……but I hope Manny or JoRam or DePaula come thru

    They have a few guys now who have the talent so we will see what happens…..they need to get at least 1 of that group to the front of the rotation.

  19. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 7:29 am

    In my lifetime as a fan, the Yankees have really never produced very many great home grown starters. I would say they come down to Ford, Stottlemyre, Guidry and Andy. And Andy, arguably, was never a number one, as the other three were for a reasonable period of time. That’s a period of over 60 years. On average once every 15 years. So the resent “slump” isn’t exactly anything new!

  20. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    Yanks61……good point…….there is a history that points out how difficult it is but yet the Yanks have found a way to win a few championships…. :)

  21. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Blake—perhaps Patterson will take them to a new level

  22. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 7:35 am

    For some reason, Lohud swallowed up a much longer attempt at a post. In essence, what I was trying to say was that The Yanks have historically built their starting staffs on trades and later FA. The 49 – 53 Champs were headlined, for example, by Raschi, Reynolds and Lopat (Ford was a fourth starter until 53.) The 77 – 80 Yanks had Figueroa, Torrez, Gullet, Hunter, Tidrow, John Underwood, Tiant and May behind Guidry.

    Heck, the 96 – 2001 teams had Wells, Gooden, Key, Cone, Clemens Rogers, Hernandez, Irabu, Neagle and Mussina in addition to Pettitte.

  23. blake May 11th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Lets take the Giants rotation (who folks often point to as a gold standard). Their top 3 starters during their title years here (the last 5 years or so ) were all drafted in positions before the Yankees even picked.

    Lincecum (10th overall)
    Cain (25th overall)
    Bumgardner( 8th overall)

    Without going through a trend where they were bad enough to draft 8th and 10th overall…..the Giants don’t have Bumgardner and Lincecum right now…..

  24. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    GregD, I absolutely agree with you. Blake, I couldn’t agree more with your comments.

    Yanks did produce a number of reasonable successes in the sixties with Bouton, Stafford Coates and Sheldon – all short term. My guess is that, at the end of his career, Hughes will have been a better pitcher than all of them. Probably is alreadty. Probably even better than Al Downing. It remains to be seen, of course.

  25. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 7:46 am

    The Giants hit the jackpot three times but I’d rather win than draft high

  26. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Will Banuelos pitch at all this year?

  27. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    Yanks61…..your memory is impeccable! :)

  28. blake May 11th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    A lot of folks are gonna be down on Hughes today but nights like last night are what separates him from being a front line guy…..he’s homer prone and therefore clunker prone and the ball flys in KC and clearly hitting was just in the air last night for both teams ….

    I’m still very encouraged by how his stuff looked early and just how he’s been pitching overall……on a night where both teams were swinging the bats he did outpitch Davis and lasted long enough that they could win the game .

  29. blake May 11th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    GregD says:
    May 11, 2013 at 7:48 am
    Will Banuelos pitch at all this year?

    I don’t know if be will pitch in live games or not…..he should be getting close to that as the season is ending so I bet they just hold off until next spring…..maybe let him throw a little in the AFL or winter ball but I get they just start him fresh next spring

  30. Tar May 11th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Good Morning everybody

    .”At times it’s hard to understand how this team keeps winning despite the injuries, but the answer seems to be a different thing every night.”

    I’m clairvoyant :D I posted about the same thing in the previous three.

    “The article also talks about Gardner being more aggressive at the plate”

    JF thanks for the links

    That was something you and I discussed early on in the season. When to be aggressive and when to work the count. The Gardner base stealing thing with Cano behind him is a no brainer to me. Baseball 101.

    Have to run, have a nice day

  31. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Blake—health is the key to Manny, JoRam and DePaula…..which one will stay healthy???

  32. blake May 11th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    GregD says:
    May 11, 2013 at 7:54 am
    Blake—health is the key to Manny, JoRam and DePaula…..which one will stay healthy???

    Hopefully all of them :). I think all three of those guys including maybe Campos and Hensley have the potential…..hopefully 1 or 2 make it.

  33. blake May 11th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Depaula is just dominating low A…..if he has a couple more outings like last night where he throwing strikes and not walking guys then it’s time to move him…..if you’re striking out 15 guys per 9 in a league then you aren’t being challenged much

  34. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    GregD May 11th, 2013 at 7:49 am
    Yanks61…..your memory is impeccable!

    Thanks, Greg. For Yankee history maybe. In general, it fails me far too often. Thus there must be some truth to my wife’s observation that I have a “selective” memory!

  35. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Blake—- me too…….it would take some good fortune to have one make it but I will take 2 or 3….:)

  36. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Yanks61—- selective memory is a blessing! :)

  37. blake May 11th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    I’ve gotten to watch Trenton play some now that they are online more and i still just love Austin at the plate……he struggle a bit at first with the AA jump (ehich isn’t unusual) but now he’s adjusting…..he’s hitting .310 in May and he’s really staying patient and taking walks as they come etc…..I just really like him offensively

  38. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    This pitcher Cotham seems to be progressing quickly….. Injuries have reduced his velo tho

  39. Against All Odds May 11th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    True draft position matters but then we can also point to teams like the Pirates and the Royals as teams with high picks that haven’t produced top flight starters.

  40. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    The Royals have used many of their picks to draft position players

  41. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    The Yankees definitely have some high end arms right now :

    Pineda
    Banuelos
    Ramirez
    Campos
    DePaula

    Ought to be able to get 1 or 2 good ones out of the lot.

    Right now I see the Rays as the best in the buisness overall.

    That means scouting and developing.

    And it’s not just that they picked high on each one.

    Cobb, Moore, etc. were later round picks.

    They are doing something right.

    Assessing pitching talent is an inexact science.

    And it takes good fortune to keep young arms healthy.

  42. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Kent Hadley was a good deal.

  43. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    And it takes good fortune to keep young arms healthy.
    =======================
    I saw that in a fortune cookie once.

  44. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Blake-

    We have 4/5 higher end OF types.

    Personally I think we should decide which of them are guys we waih to try and keep and then trade the others before they lose value.

    I like heathcott’s talent but I think he will always be an injury waiting to happen because of his style of play.

    I’m a little concerned about Williams. Might be some growing up needed there.

    Austin looks really good, and Flores too.

  45. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Thus there must be some truth to my wife’s observation that I have a “selective” memory!
    =======================
    Too much of that French wine.
    Not spelled whine.

  46. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    Ty Hensley.

  47. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Betances as a reliever.
    Throwing 97 from the stretch.

  48. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Mick-

    Yes. Add him to the list, and Bryan Mitchell too.

    We’ve had other big arms that simply either couldn’t stay healthy or reach their cieling.

    Let’s hope this crop is different.

    Ramirez’s ability to stay healthy is a concern. he seems fragile.

    Hope he doesn’t turn out to be a Christian Garcia type.

    Huge talent but poor health.

  49. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Bud Daley was a crafty lefty.

  50. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Ramirez looked awesome in ST

  51. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Don’t have much faith in Dellin as a reliever.

    Control is too spotty.

    Maybe as middle guy. We have plenty of those anyway.

  52. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Betances could discover something as a reliever.
    They tried something like this with Coney early on and look what he became.

  53. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Greg-

    That big FB and outstanding CU certainly impress.

    Seems he can also find the plate unlike some of them.

    Supposedly he’s working on a slider.

    Biggest concern with him is keeping him on the diamond.

  54. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    I’m not sure why there is disagreement with moving Betances to the bullpen…….he has demonstrated time and time again his inconsistency as a starter……as some point we have to find a place he can contribute

  55. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Think Betances will be fine in relief. He did it in AFL and also looked great last night, freezing two batters on nasty caught looking curve. I just don’t like that they gave up on him while understanding the 40 man and last year issues that they want to reap some value BS, yada yada but I still would have waited.

  56. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Let’s hope so Mick.

    The stuff has always been there.

    Just needs to harness it consistently.

    I hope the pen helps with that though I have my doubts.

  57. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    MTU……he was attacking the zone and his moved a lot!!!

  58. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Duke Maas had a good year in 1959.
    Passed at age 47 due to complications from arthritis. RIP.

  59. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    They could be thinking of Betances as an 8th inning guy in the future, maybe a closer.

  60. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    YF—–you have more patience than most….:)

  61. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Hi

  62. Against All Odds May 11th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:04 am
    The Royals have used many of their picks to draft position players

    ———————————–

    But in the yrs they have been terrible you would think given those high picks they would have developed some pitchers. The only one that come to mind is Greinke. My point is although draft position is important and luck is involved some organizations scout and develop better than others.

  63. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    YF-

    It’s always tough when they do that with guys we follow and have an investment in.

    I know you think he has the talent and just needs more time.

    Time is frequently in short supply around Yankeeland.

    There are those who think we did the same thing with Joba, i.e. gave up on him too soon.

    I just hope whatever is happening that the Yankees are learning from their experiences.

    We all need to do that.

    ;)

  64. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    “Talked for a bit to Dellin Betances after the game.

    He was great tonight in his first outing since being moved to the bullpen. He worked 2 1/3 innings, allowing just one walk and striking out three. His fastball topped out at 97 mph, but it sat in the 94-96 range. He got two strikeouts on his curve, the other with the 97 mph heat.

    So, that’s an A+ effort, which makes Brian Cashman’s announcement that Betances is going to the pen full-time look genius. Still, it caught the right-hander, who seemed to turn things around as a starter in recent weeks, by storm.

    “I was a little surprised. But at the same time, the call came from up top,” Betances said. “If it were up to me, I’d love to start. But at the same time, I understand certain decisions have to be made. Hopefully, the bullpen is something that works for me.”

    http://blogs.thetimes-tribune......seph-more/
    _____
    Keeping him in the SP and having him succeed would be genius. Putting him in the pen is a no brainer. See Hughes, Joba, etc. Not as hard to convert and repeat in less frames.

  65. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    History is littered with power pitchers who can’t find the plate

  66. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Hi Mick,

    “Too much of that French wine.
    Not spelled whine.”

    Could that be it!!??

    Hey, Mick, there are many, many great commenters here, yourself included. As Trisha pointed out the other day, Blake is easily one of the most level headed, most even handed posters. MG, JF, and some others are super smart and make terrific comments. I just don’t get people for him following the team sems to be a torture. Are they that masochistic? Heck, if some of those folks are that down on the Yanks, or Joe G or Cash, why not try to find another pastime – if nothing else for your health’s sake?

    Ah well, maybe that’s were the wine comes in. Maybe. at the end of the day, wine is a lot healthier than a whine!

  67. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Eli Grba was the first selection in the 1960 MLB expansion draft.

  68. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    MTU, he was always a high ceiling, low floor prospect with huge risk. I don’t know if time would or wouldn’t result in his ability to repeat, but you always want a pitcher with his kind of stuff to get that chance to be a SP. Gives him much more value. And yes, I have an investment in him. He also is a true blue New York kid, and I would love to see him thrive. But it is what it is.

  69. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Hey, Mick, there are many, many great commenters here, yourself included.
    =====================
    You are astute.

  70. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    History is littered with power pitchers who can’t find the plate
    ==========================
    Ryne Duren could barely see it.

  71. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Jim Coates had that high leg kick like Marichal.

  72. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    And Spahn.

  73. 86w183 May 11th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    I like the move of Betances to the pen…. I have to since I suggested it more than a year ago.

    Have not seen him in person, but tend to think that really big guys are better suited to bullpen work because it’s tough to maintain mechanics for 100+ pitches.

    Betances had plenty of chances to make it as a starter with well over 100 starts since signing back in 2006. Nothing wrong with finding out if he has value in the pen before facing a Rule-5 situation.

    Prediction —- he pitches for the Yankees out of the pen before the All-Star break.

  74. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  75. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    YF-

    He had some chances. Some guys just take longer than others.

    Some never find it.

    I’m starting to feel that, as much as I like Ivan, he may be another one of those who will never be able to find longterm consistentcy with his FB.

    I feel like the clock is running out on him.

    There are other guys who are nipping at his heels. They’ve earned their opportunity too.

  76. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Betances is in his eighth minor league season……time to make a decision

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock May 11th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Think Betances will be fine in relief. He did it in AFL and also looked great last night, freezing two batters on nasty caught looking curve. I just don’t like that they gave up on him while understanding the 40 man and last year issues that they want to reap some value BS, yada yada but I still would have waited.
    ///

    In his last three starts, he was really onto something and hasn’t allowed a hit in 7.3 IP. I saw those two curves inside to RH yesterday, they were simply beautiful. Here’s my hope: he pitches great, manages to keep that plus changeup in his arsenal in relief, and walks after this year into someone’s rotation.

  78. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:17 am
    Bud Daley was a crafty lefty.

    Mick, are you old enough to have seen Bud Daley pitch?

    I loved it when the Yanks picked up daley. A crafty left indeed and an All-Star for the KC A’s in 59 and 60.

    “His right arm remained so crippled as an adult that he could barely raise it high enough to comb his hair.[2] Despite a slightly withered right arm, Daley served as a fifth infielder, was competitive as a batter, shot golf in the low 80s, and was a proficient fisherman.[1]“

  79. Doreen May 11th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    When Mo started out, he pitched more than one inning at a time to set up and just continued to perfect his craft. I am not saying Betances is Mo ( no one will ever be), but perhaps HS road to the majors is clearer thus way, and the Yankees really do need to find someone strong for their pen next year. They are definitely losing Mo, and we don’t know for sure about Joba.

    If Betances can be a multiple inning set up guy that would be a good thing for the major league team. It is not where he saw himself, but he can make his a positive.

    Yankeefeminista, maybe the Yankees want to be able to use him at ML level before September? Depending on how it goes. Plus it gives him more time to make a mental adjustment.

    Still, anytime the first plan fails, there is some sadness.

  80. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Joe DeMaestri was in the Roger deal.

  81. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    As Cash sez”
    Mo was a failed starter.

  82. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    I wouldn’t give up on Nova yet either but I am infinitely patient when it comes to young pitchers. It isn’t as if he hasn’t had success, and probably his fastball command has been affected both by the tweaking of his delivery and the injury/time off. But if he doesn’t find it soon, then an AAA stint wouldn’t hurt, so that he can try to get his mechanics down outside the fish bowl scrutiny.

    As for moving Betances to the pen, like I said last night, yeah, we could have moved him earlier but that doesn’t give a pitcher a chance to see if he can’t start. Much more value in the latter, and why JRam going to the RP rumors were premature now that his slider is playing. You don’t want to prematurely put any pitcher in the pen. Just not much value there unless you have categorically ruled out the SP because of time, roster, rule 5 issues.

  83. RadioKev May 11th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Keeping him in the SP and having him succeed would be genius. Putting him in the pen is a no brainer. See Hughes, Joba, etc. Not as hard to convert and repeat in less frames.
    ———–

    Whatever. Betances isn’t a victim. He just hasn’t delivered the goods. That’s on him.

  84. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    ALL prospects are suspects.

    Until they prove they’re not.

    Most are simply acquired with their potential trade value in mind.

    Much as the Farm has improved I still don’t see the Yankees overly enamored of it.

    I can’t name 1 player that I think the Yankees think is untouchable.

    Not 1.

    Think about that.

    ;)

  85. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:29 am
    History is littered with power pitchers who can’t find the plate
    ==========================
    Ryne Duren could barely see it.

    —————————————–

    Ha, ha. Ryan wore those “coke bottle” glasses and fired a few over the backstop while warming up. I remember a game were he got hit by a pitch by, I think Juan Pissaro (sp?) Big mistake. Man, was he pissed. He wnet back out to the mound and struck out something like six of the next 7 batters. Nothing but a blazing fastball! Guys quaked in the batters box facing Duren.

  86. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Hector Lopez couldn’t pick it at 3rd, but he could hit.

  87. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Joba is as good as gone next season.

    Too many inexpensive options who can do as good or better in that role.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock May 11th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Yankeefeminista, maybe the Yankees want to be able to use him at ML level before September? Depending on how it goes. Plus it gives him more time to make a mental adjustment.
    //

    Sure, they want to use him. I don’t think their idea of getting last-ditch value out of him before the clock expires is having him save Railriders’ games.

    What they should really do with Dellin is bring him in at crisis points in a game the way you would a real closer if not for the La Russa convention that is so unthinkingly observed.

    Betances just doesn’t give up hits – so bring him into real high leverage situations that you “can’t” bring your closer or eighth inning guy into, because La Russa says you can’t, even though the game hangs in the balance.

  89. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Too many inexpensive options who can do as good or better in that role.
    =================================
    Dealin Dellin in the 7th.
    Claiborne in the 8th.
    DRob to close?

  90. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    If he *can start, should read.

    RadioKev, no one is bringing up “victimization” or blaming anyone. How do such words/a narrative get added to a post that didn’t even subliminally hint at such a thing? Pitchers with plus stuff are given the opportunity to start because RP’s have less value. It is kind of the norm. Don’t think that the Yanks or Cash are “blaming” Betances; he was high risk from the get go.

  91. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Norm Cash and Frank Lary were Yankee killers but Charlie Maxwell hit them on Sundays.

  92. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    When the Yankees get to the point where they have at least one guy, or a few who they simply refuse to part with it’s then that I will think their Farm system has truly “arrived”.

    Who knows if they’ll ever get there ?

    Once the money spigot opens again the Farm may once again lose some of it’s luster.

    It just seems like a big experiment right now.

    Not necessarily a longterm committment.

    Maybe I’m wrong ?

  93. RadioKev May 11th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    “I just don’t like that they gave up on him while understanding the 40 man and last year issues that they want to reap some value BS, yada yada but I still would have waited.”

    I’m not here to pick a fight. I just think it is the right call to extract some value while he can be retained in the organization. I know some folks here are Betances fans, but I’m a Yankees fan and I’d rather see him contirbue to the team rather than the team’s undying faith in him as a starter.

  94. blake May 11th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Against All Odds says:
    May 11, 2013 at 8:03 am
    True draft position matters but then we can also point to teams like the Pirates and the Royals as teams with high picks that haven’t produced top flight starters.

    Nothing is guaranteed but history shows that the guys drafted high have a much higher likelyhood of making it than the guys that aren’t. ….plus Cole and Taillon seem like the real deal to me

  95. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Time for the most important meal of the day.

  96. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    I hope Betances kills it in the bullpen

  97. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    “I can’t name 1 player that I think the Yankees think is untouchable.”

    Most teams don’t have set “untouchables” and especially not in a vacuum without a discussion of who they will get in return.

    Doreen, you probably understand the “sadness” more than most here, who only see these prospects as mere numbers/busts etc. I thought Mom Hensley’s post on RAB said it all about how unfair it is to excoriate these very hard working kids who have had more success than many and could teach the Yankee knee-jerk cyberworld a thing or two about work ethic and commitment.

  98. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Mick, Hector was another guy that came over from the Yankee farm team – Kansas City. I loved the guy’s hitting too. Also played some outfield and a little every where else. Good utility guy, though, as you say, not much of a fielder.

    Some other guys that came from KC – Harry “suitcase” Simpson, Bob Cerv, Ralph Terry (after being sent there by the Yanks to “mature”) and, of course Roger.

    Actually, a number of folks have pointed out that the Yanks did send some pretty good players back in those deals, but let’s face it, KC was a goldmine for the Yanks

  99. blake May 11th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    The only way the Yankees could have kept Betances as starter would have been to try some slick manuevering like they did with Adams to get him off the 40 man…..they just can’t wait forever on him…..you can’t keep projects on the 40 man.

    The Yankees have been trigger happy perhaps about moving guys to the pen perhaps…..but this isn’t one of those cases…..they have waited and waited and waited and finally they had to do something to try and get value out of him

  100. Against All Odds May 11th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    blake May 11th, 2013 at 8:48 am
    Against All Odds says:
    May 11, 2013 at 8:03 am
    True draft position matters but then we can also point to teams like the Pirates and the Royals as teams with high picks that haven’t produced top flight starters.

    Nothing is guaranteed but history shows that the guys drafted high have a much higher likelyhood of making it than the guys that aren’t. ….plus Cole and Taillon seem like the real deal to me

    ———————-

    They do look like the next big time starters

  101. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    “but I’m a Yankees fan and I’d rather see him contirbue to the team rather than the team’s undying faith in him as a starter.”

    I think we are all Yankee fans here. Do we have to do this every day? Comparing our Yankee fandom? I think if he were able to start it benefits the team more, but yeah, we all get the need to extract value considering the time element.

  102. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Yanks61 and Mick……..love reading your posts…..brings back many great memories……

  103. Doreen May 11th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    J Alfred, that’s a whole ‘nother topic, isn’t it??

    Baseball has really changed in that way. And Cone was talking last night about how pitching staffs are now built from back to front instead of front to back.

    If you can build a team whose middle relief is quality instead of middling arms, you have a real advantage. Then, as you say, you can bring a Dellin into those situations you wouldnt bring a Mo into (because of convention, but also because of the save stat and the pay scale).

  104. yanks61 May 11th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Frank Lary was the original “Yankee Killer,” But Whitey “owned” Cash. He and Boog Powell might as well have just stayed on the bench whenever Ford was on the mound. And as they both would laugh, he made them look foolish getting them out – whiffing or on weak ground balls.

  105. blake May 11th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Also while it’s true that moving to the pen isn’t gonna improve his overall control and command…..the thing is that if he’s throwing 98 instead of 94 then he doesn’t have to have as good of command and if he’s only facing 3 or 4 hitters instead of 6 innings worth then he doesn’t have to keep his delivery together as long…..this is why failed starters are moved to the bullpen….because its different and sometimes guys do better there simply because it fits them better

  106. Against All Odds May 11th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    .they have waited and waited and waited and finally they had to do something to try and get value out of him

    —————–

    8 yrs is a long time. I would have enjoyed seeing him reach his ceiling and become a top starter but maybe he can become a very good reliever. The Yankees do have a good grasp on that area.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock May 11th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    The “sadness” is not about some irrational emotional attachment, it’s about a guy who no one hits and why wouldn’t you want that over several innings rather than one.

    It’s about a kid who has the best stuff in the Yankee system and about him, after a rocky start, just not getting hit at AAA.

    His control problems have been in remission enough in those last three starts before the switch that I would much rather see us getting “value” out of him as a starter up here, because he has more opportunities to keep teams from getting hits and scoring runs.

  108. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    I was listening to the radio in my kitchen when Maris hit number 61 off Tracy Stallard….remember it like yesterday

  109. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    “I hope Betances kills it in the bullpen”

    Ditto. He was pretty filthy yesterday. His stuff is undeniable, and he can be pretty unhittable.

  110. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    yanks61-
    Did you know Whitey didn’t get into the Hall til his 2nd year of eligibilty.
    He went in with his buddy Mick so that was a good thing.

  111. mick May 11th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    I was listening to the radio in my kitchen when Maris hit number 61 off Tracy Stallard….remember it like yesterday
    ============
    The park was empty. Scooter made the call. Roger came out reluctantly to take his encore.
    All in black and white.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock May 11th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    He doesn’t get hit at 94, either. He’s not throwing flat fastballs that get hit at a lesser velocity. Good luck hitting Betances at 94, he’s not Kyle Farnsworth.

  113. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    blake, his stuff plays at 94, and he actually sits up to 96, 97, so the extra velo will make him even nastier, but even at lesser velo he is still mid 90′s and hard to hit.

  114. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Got to go to work. Later, Yankee people.

  115. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:55 am
    “I hope Betances kills it in the bullpen”

    Ditto. He was pretty filthy yesterday. His stuff is undeniable, and he can be pretty unhittable.
    —————–
    He would make the Yankee bullpen pretty deep esp when Joba comes back too

  116. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    YF-

    I was not talking about “most”.

    Only the best.

    And those do indeed have some guys who would be considered untouchable.

  117. GregD May 11th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Mick….. I remember the “Holy Cow” …… :)

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock May 11th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    He will be great in the bullpen, duh. What a reach, that a kid with his stuff and movement will be able to get hitters out in one inning, since he does it over several.

    He’ll help the Yankees in the pen, won’t re-sign (if he’s smart), and with his year 26 still in front of him, go somewhere else and be a nails starter. Good luck, Dellin.

  119. MTU May 11th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    New one —–>

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock May 11th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    blake, his stuff plays at 94, and he actually sits up to 96, 97, so the extra velo will make him even nastier, but even at lesser velo he is still mid 90?s and hard to hit.
    ///

    correct.

  121. blake May 11th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    “The “sadness” is not about some irrational emotional attachment, it’s about a guy who no one hits and why wouldn’t you want that over several innings rather than one.”

    He’s had a minor league era over 5 for three straight years…..he gets hit plenty….they can’t make decisions based on the energy now and then game when he’s good and doesn’t get hit.

    His history suggests that as a starter he’s really bad a lot more often than he’s really good…..

  122. yankeefeminista May 11th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Pruf, the sadness is about the stuff, I agree, and not some irrational emotional factor. But I am not going to dumb down the emotional factor as well. We are fans and we root. Maybe we root for the players who have the better stuff, but I have no problem saying that I am attached to some of these prospects and I pull for them emotionally. I am objective enough, hugging maybe 2-3 prospects out of the lot, and I don’t need to feign that I don’t have emotion for them. Same thing with the Yankees. I love my team and my players, and I won’t pretend I don’t even if some people derisively sneer at that. We are fans. Later.

  123. jacksquat May 11th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    I take back what I said yesterday about not knowing how Betances’ control would improve as a reliever. Actually I do have one idea. Many relievers throw from the stretch 100% of the time. I always threw from the stretch as a starter, because the windup did not add velocity for me and I thought it just added more motion where you could get out of form and mess up your delivery. Throwing from the stretch may help Betances, especially only throwing from the stretch so it’s the same delivery every time. Of course, they could have tried that as a starter…

  124. blake May 11th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    JF, YF,

    We have had these discussions for a couple of years now and we will just have to agree to disagree…..

    I’ve always wished Dellin well and pulled for him but two years ago when he was still a top 100 prospect I was saying the same things I’m saying now…..I’ve never been a fan of his delivery and have always thought it was highly unlikely he could repeat it well enough to start…..nothing has really changedy mind there….

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock May 11th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 10h

    Dellin Betances: “If it were up to me, I’d love to start.” Said he was surprised by decision to send him to pen. Looked strong recently.
    ///

    I agree, he “looked strong” recently.

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