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Trying to move on

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes

Phil Hughes said he’s never been one to watch a ton of video between starts. Some guys love to watch it, some stay away from it, and Hughes falls in the latter category. It will be Larry Rothschild who tries to break down last night’s debacle.

“Larry looks at all the video,” Hughes said. “I don’t like to look at the negative stuff because it just pounds it in my brain, it seems like. I don’t think I was that far off mechanically or anything; it didn’t feel that way. I’m sure tomorrow when I sit down with Larry, he’ll have a couple things in his head to talk about. I had a couple really bad starts to start the season and I was able to figure that out and go. I’ll give myself a couple days, get a good bullpen in and move on.”

What else is there to do? Hughes has always been full of ups and downs, but it’s hard to think of greater extremes than what we’ve seen this month. On May 4, Hughes went eight scoreless against Oakland. He gave up four hits, struck out nine and walked two. Last night, he couldn’t get out of the first inning. He struck out none, allowed six hits and got just two outs.

“I feel like I’ve (been able to grind with bad stuff) sometimes,” Hughes said. “But there are other nights where it feels like everything you do is not working and not happening. That’s where nights like this happen. Hopefully this is a 1-in-100 type thing. I remember I’ve had bad nights where I’d get 12 outs or something, but I don’t think I can remember having an outing like this before. It’s tough to swallow, but it happens to everybody. No one’s going to feel sorry for you, so I have to throw my bullpen in two days and move on.”

It does seem like all pitchers have absolutely awful outings from time to time — Joe Girardi talked about catching a similarly brutal start by Andy Pettitte many, many years ago – but last night was unthinkably bad, and it came from a pitcher who’s known for his inconsistency.

So how does Hughes try to move one?

“I’d like to just get back to three starts ago, not really worry about what was bad about this one or what was bad about that one,” he said. “Just clear my head of these last two and go forward, really get back to what I was doing. Hopefully that clicks. I felt my side last time was pretty good, and warming up (last night) was pretty good. Just kind of forget about this one as quick as I can.

“But it’s tough. I don’t think I’ve had a worse start in my career, so it stings a little bit.”

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277 Responses to “Trying to move on”

  1. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Turn the page

  2. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Tyler Austin is up to .272 on the year and is hitting .313 in May.

    He’s hitting .328 with a .960 OPS on the road….

  3. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Adams looks like a hitter up there.

  4. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    “Larry looks at all the video,” Hughes said. “I don’t like to look at the negative stuff because it just pounds it in my brain, it seems like.
    =============================
    This could be his problem.

  5. astrocityfan May 16th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    thanks for the austin updates Blake. Really hoping he stays healthy and untraded :)

    what do you with a problem like Phil? If a vet like Rothschild cant sort him out maybe its time to cut the cord.

  6. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    mick says:
    May 16, 2013 at 9:10 am
    Adams looks like a hitter up there.

    Yea…he reminds me of Micheal Young

  7. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    We can see what a pitcher goes thru physically.
    What’s going on inside his head is likely where the problem lies.
    Too much pressure to succeed here?
    Not a relaxed enough atmosphere?
    Maybe a change to a warmer climate to be with his friend IPK is what the Dr ordered.

  8. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Adams looks like a power hitter.

  9. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    “what do you with a problem like Phil? If a vet like Rothschild cant sort him out maybe its time to cut the cord.”

    Keep pitching him and understand that’s he’s your 4th starter and he’s gonna have games like this…..the good news is though that he has a lot of good games too.

    Hughes is always gonna be homer prone unless he just totally changes the way he pitches and I’m not sure that’s for the best or even possible at this point……

    Raul ruined some games for opposing pitchers last year for the yanks and he did it to us last night….

    Hughes needs to stay healthy and he needs to locate better and use his Offspeed stuff and trust it…..but every teams 4th and 5th starters are going to lose games for them over the course of a season….just the way it is

  10. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    One thing about RH power hitters in the Stadium.
    They aren’t prone to the bad habits of LH sluggers with that short porch.
    I hope this kid takes Arods job.

  11. I Am Winning May 16th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    I would like to hear Larry’s opinion on Hughes. Hughes says he feels fine, he is locating pitches, he grinds it out, but regardless he has some seriously bad starts. I want to hear what is really going on? Regardless of what Hughes thinks, are his mechanics fine? Is he locating? Is he injured? Do his pitches have any bite on them? There needs to be a reason, and Hughes just isn’t fessing up to it.

  12. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    I really wonder how this Hughes situation will play out come the off season… if we resigned him, we’d be doing so as our #3 in some sense, wouldn’t we? Is that the road they take?

    Whatever happens, I hope Andy and Kuroda make their decisions early.

  13. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    I was expecting a Komodo dragon last night but Iwakuma looked pedestrian to me, certainly not Kingesque or Kuroda ll. If hitters laid off strikes at the knees, he’s hittable.

    Hughes is Hughes. If he doesn’t have his good FB, he’s not good. I really don’t know where the Yankees go from here with him. Maybe this game will finally force him away from the one pitch arsenal. It’ll take the rest of a good season to gloss over this.

  14. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Raul seemed to have payback on his mind last night.
    Did they even make him an offer?

  15. astrocityfan May 16th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Thats good perspective blake. dont get me wrong, im a hughes fan. I hope he is successfull and in a NY uni when it happens. I just think every start like this makes it that much tougher to committ the kind of money to him other teams will offer him this winter.

  16. NYYROC May 16th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    REPOST
    NYYROC May 16th, 2013 at 8:17 am
    IMO PH needs to stop throwing and start pitching. He has 4 pitches, he needs to use them all. He has become way too predictable. That happened a few years ago when he became cutter crazy and now he is in love with his FB. He has a good one but he can’t throw the same pitch in the same spot and expect to get hitters out. He can get away with it for awhile, but hitters get scouting reports, they adjust. It seems he is too stubborn or too slow to adjust.
    He’ll bounce back, but unless he starts to set hitters up instead of always trying to blow them away he’ll be prone to games like this.

  17. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    The free agents I care about are: Cano, Choo and Pettitte/Kuroda.

  18. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I found it funny that someone on another site, said Adams has a strong arm. Mmm, no. Best than can be said is that it’s accurate.

  19. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    ” I just think every start like this makes it that much tougher to committ the kind of money to him other teams will offer him this winter.”

    Yea it does….when Phil is bad he’s often really bad and it kinda skews his numbers and leaves a bad taste in your mouth . He’s good a lot of the time but he really does need to figure out a way to limit damage and at least I’ve then some innings on days when he doesn’t have it

  20. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Hughes needs to develop a put away pitch. This is what he is, inconsistant and injury prone. I really can’t see tying up money in a middle to back end of a rotation guy.

  21. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    What is the upside of signing Hughes?
    His ceiling seems to be a 3 or 4.
    We have an arsenal of pitchers that look better than that in the system.
    Why let one pitcher block there way?
    Not much of a gamble and a trade at the deadline as a rental to a contender might be the way to go.
    He’s not coming back,,,

  22. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Choo would be nice….depends on the money I guess.

    A Choo/wells platoon would produce about like A star player

  23. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am
    I found it funny that someone on another site, said Adams has a strong arm. Mmm, no. Best than can be said is that it’s accurate.

    At the game last night on the 3B side, he does not have a third basemans arm.

  24. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Buster-
    How would you score last night’s non-title match between luis and trish?

  25. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    “What is the upside of signing Hughes?”

    He gets a little better and wins you about 60 games over the 4 years

  26. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Adams looks like a power hitter.
    ———-
    Looks can be deceiving.

  27. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    He gets a little better and wins you about 60 games over the 4 years
    ==========================
    I still say the ball is in Hughes court.
    Why would he want to stay here?

  28. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Adams isn’t a power hitter either.

  29. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Trisha is a restless attorney, if that helps Mick.

  30. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    The problem with some players is between the ears.
    Again, we can’t see that as clearly as physical problems, but I believe he needs a change.

  31. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:32 am
    He gets a little better and wins you about 60 games over the 4 years
    ==========================
    I still say the ball is in Hughes court.
    Why would he want to stay here?

    ***************

    Depending how Pineda and Phelps hold up, you could trade Hughes as a rental and still resign him if the dollars make sense. If the Yanks are in the payoffs, its CC, Pettitte, Kuroda. Hughes at best would pitch one game per series.

  32. MG May 16th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am
    I found it funny that someone on another site, said Adams has a strong arm. Mmm, no. Best than can be said is that it’s accurate.
    ——————–
    his arm isn’t that strong but he has a pretty quick release.

    Arm strength isn’t an absolute necessity at 3rd base, the best defensive 3rd basemen I’ve ever seen (Brooks Robinson) didn’t have a rifle over there.

    I’m not comparing the two because Adams isn’t going to be Brooks, just pointing it out.

  33. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Always looking for the next ca(u)se?

  34. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Choo just destroys RHP these numbers aren’t typos….

    He’s hitting .392/.523/.755/1.278 vs RHP

    That’s Barry bonds like…..

    The problem is that he’s hitting .159 with a .532 OPS vs LHP.

    He has one of the biggest platoon splits you’ll ever see and it’s not just this year but he is one of the best players in baseball when facing a righty

  35. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    At the game last night on the 3B side, he does not have a third basemans arm.
    ———–
    Yeah, I was laughing.

    Behind the bag, planted – threw out Montero, (who’s faster than dirt) by a couple or three strides.

    Talk about damning with faint praise.

  36. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Hughes at best would pitch one game per series.
    =================
    by season end, they might not want this.

  37. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:37 am
    Hughes at best would pitch one game per series.
    =================
    by season end, they might not want this.

    agreed

  38. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    I really hope Pineda returns in advance of the trade deadline and makes a compelling case for the ball in Game 4. Phelps would have to continue to make his case as well. If that happens, Hughes could easily be dealt and the Yankees wouldn’t feel a thing. Warren and Nuno provide insurance. Nova is a wild card. I’d like to salvage some value for Hughes but I’d be content with a pick. In the off season I want all the money steered towards Cano, Choo and one of Pettitte/Kuroda.

  39. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am
    At the game last night on the 3B side, he does not have a third basemans arm.
    ———–
    Yeah, I was laughing.

    Behind the bag, planted – threw out Montero, (who’s faster than dirt) by a couple or three strides.

    Talk about damning with faint praise.

    ********************
    If he has to charge a ball and throw across his body or field a bunt, he has no room for error.

  40. MaineYankee May 16th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Some team will sign Hughes and give him a shot in the BP where he belongs.

    The Yankees are just wasting a good one pitch pitcher as a SP.

  41. 4TrainNorth May 16th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Wish this headline were a reference to the Yankees’ approach regarding Hughes.

  42. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    They will never talk about the mental problems either.
    I believe this happened with Montero.

  43. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 9:38 am
    I really hope Pineda returns in advance of the trade deadline and makes a compelling case for the ball in Game 4. Phelps would have to continue to make his case as well. If that happens, Hughes could easily be dealt and the Yankees wouldn’t feel a thing. Warren and Nuno provide insurance. Nova is a wild card. I’d like to salvage some value for Hughes but I’d be content with a pick. In the off season I want all the money steered towards Cano, Choo and one of Pettitte/Kuroda.
    ****************

    Yep

  44. Against All Odds May 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Against All Odds May 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
    GregD May 16th, 2013 at 7:38 am
    I am burying my Dad today, he loved the Yanks since Babe Ruth………

    —————————–

    Sorry for your loss may he rest in peace.

  45. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    I like Adams….I hope they let him play every day for now and give him a shot to take that job

  46. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Blake, but since most pitchers throw righty, Choo is not a platoon player. Choo, Wells, Ichiro and Gardner is a great mix with great depth in AAA next year to step up to replace Wells, Ichiro and Gardner. All 3 will be in the last year of their contracts. Choo would be a nice anchor out there as they groom these OF prospects and try to work in 1 or 2.

  47. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    As of now, Phelps is the 4th starter in the Post.
    I believe his case will be stronger as the season goes on.
    He is firmly entrenched in the rotation.
    He is mentally tough.

  48. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    If Claibourne can keep showing what he did last night, after word about him gets out through the league, Joba becomes expendable as well. You could put a nice pitching package together as teams are always desperate for pitching and there is always a pitching coach out there somewhere who thinks the can fix guys.

  49. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Sorry for your loss.

  50. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    It Phelp’s mental toughness that makes him preferable over Nova and his “stuff”.

  51. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “Blake, but since most pitchers throw righty, Choo is not a platoon player.”

    You probably wouldn’t play him as such no but he really can’t hit lefties at all…..if you gave Vern some starts in his place vs lefties then you’d probably have a crazy productive duo there

  52. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    I’ve been eyeballing the Dodgers and it seems we really match up with them. We are one of the few teams with a potential surplus of starting pitching and late inning relievers and they just signed Jonathon Sanchez to a minor league deal. They have Kershaw and Greinke but I bet they’d love to have Hughes in the weak hitting NL in Chavez Ravine. Joba could be their setup guy. But that’s just one team. I think several teams would make strong bids for Hughes and/or Joba.

  53. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I would yield to Cembrale, you can only get an impression watching on the screen. Defensively he’s better than Youk, who’s at the drop and dive stage of his career. The arm is short. I don’t think he’ll hurt the team with the minus average arm and if he can hit, he’s an asset.

    I was always partial to Nettles, when he won the series by his lonesome. They kept hitting rockets down the line. He kept snagging them and throwing hitters out.

  54. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    There was a photo of Phelps here the other day of him walking off the mound.
    He just has the look of a Doberman or a pit bull, not a dog aficionado.
    He seems to be analytical out there too.
    These are qualities throwers like Nova and Hughes don’t seem to possess.
    They rely more on their arm than their head.

  55. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I don’t expect the yanks to sign or even pursue Choo though unless they just totally scrap the budget stuff…..they have outfield help coming hopefull so I think they’ll pass

  56. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Love Choo but he switched his agent to Boras, which always worries me.

  57. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    I’ve been for re-signing Hughes but if they could take that money and sign Choo with it then is certainly rather do that…..of course Choo is a boras guy so…..

  58. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    ok, anyone here who doesn’t think montero can play baseball at the mlb level?

    are we done with the silly BS that he can’t.

    yes its open to how far he’ll go and how good he’ll be, but is there anyone who think he’s no going to be a 10 year mlb player at least?

  59. Pauldanand May 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Hughes is a better pitcher than I’ll ever be.
    Having said that, it is crazy to not review/examine your own self after a performance… good or bad.
    Who knows you better than yourself?
    Sure, get the coaches opinion, but sheesh, you’ve got to look at it yourself too, bro.
    Get a grip. Take a look at yourself.

  60. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I want a guy who wants to be here.
    For some reason Price strikes me as that guy.

  61. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I was always partial to Nettles, when he won the series by his lonesome. They kept hitting rockets down the line. He kept snagging them and throwing hitters out.

    Nettles had a real good arm, but used to love to frustrate runners by always getting them by a step.

  62. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Blake, I agree an OF rotation could be worked out with Choo, Wells, Ichiro and Gardner. I just really think since the entire OF is in a walk year in 2014, you need to make a significant investment in a bedrock OF like Choo. Choo is just a complete ball player. He hits for average, has phenomenal patience, hits for extra bases, plays solid defense at multiple OF positions, can throw, field, run the bases well. He’s a 5 tool player. He’d be the only 5 tool hitter on the Yankees (Cano is slow).

  63. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    i’m actually not worried about hughes at all.

    he’s a decent pitcher and can be really good at times.

  64. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Hi Randall.

  65. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Choo, Gardner, Austin, Wells sounds like a good outfield

  66. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Ichiro is headed for retirement if he doesn’t improve…..he won’t hang around next year to be a bench guy IMO

  67. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Choo isn’t a great defender but he could man RF at YS just fine …..he’s an on base machine vs RHP

  68. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    I hope Ichiro would retire but you can never underestimate pride and denial.

  69. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    hi “mick”

  70. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Blake, he covers alot of ground. He could play LF or RF regularly and cover CF in a pinch. Cincy has him in CF. He has a strong arm. He’s not an elite defender but he’s solid.

  71. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    One thing about an older team, they are always getting hurt.
    Who thought we would see these younger players this year?
    Could be helpful nest year and when we expand the budget again we might only need a FA or 2 to start a new run.

  72. mick May 16th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    now that sounds like a seinfeld-newman hello….

  73. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    yes its open to how far he’ll go and how good he’ll be, but is there anyone who think he’s no going to be a 10 year mlb player at least?
    —–
    Randy in an Iraqi uniform reporting on the war status. To mix metaphors – “There he was ten thousand feet up and no parachute”.

    Put me down on the con side.

  74. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Cincy has him in CF because they don’t have anybody else….he’s not very good there at all….he’s a one corner guy though especially given his bat

  75. MaineYankee May 16th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 9:50 am
    i’m actually not worried about hughes at all.

    he’s a decent pitcher and can be really good at times.

    ———————————————–

    Cashman was really dumb not to be in the clubhouse with a contract for Hughes last night.

    I guess he just doesn’t like to buy low.

  76. blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I hope Adams plays so well that the Yanks are forced to make Youk a platoon 1B and they are forced to do something with Arod

  77. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    It would be unreal if Adams can play like all those late bloomers St. Louis cranks out like Craig and Freese.

  78. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    GregD May 16th, 2013 at 7:38 am
    “I am burying my Dad today, he loved the Yanks since Babe Ruth…”‘”

    greg D-

    maybe my father and yours were at the same game watching the babe. i know i’m not going to have him here forever either. maybe they’ll be both together someday watching the babe and gehrig and mickey and thurman play. with billy managing. yogi is their age too. he’ll join them all to sometime. i truly am sorry for your dad’s passing.

  79. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I said it when Hughes was pitching well and I’ll say it again now. Hughes is inconsistent. He’s not a good pitcher, he’s not a bad pitcher, he’s an inconsistent pitcher and that’s why I would be very cautious about giving him a contract after this season.

  80. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    GregD May 16th, 2013 at 7:38 am
    I am burying my Dad today, he loved the Yanks since Babe Ruth………
    ——————-

    Sorry to hear that Greg, may he rest in peace.

  81. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    The beauty of this team right now is the unpredictability.
    It is nearly impossible to guess the lineup each day but the will to win is relentless.
    What more could you ask from a team?
    Cano’s numbers will be there in the end but the rest don’t play for numbers.
    In fact, we might not have a 20 game winner either.
    They are a hungry bunch…

  82. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I hope Adams plays so well that the Yanks are forced to make Youk a platoon 1B and they are forced to do something with Arod
    ———————

    There’s nothing they can be forced to do with Alex. He has a no trade clause and I can’t imagine David Adams playing well enough over the next few weeks for the Yankees to decide to release Alex and eat $100 million bucks.

  83. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “Cashman was really dumb not to be in the clubhouse with a contract for Hughes last night.”

    maine yankee-

    i was thinking that cashman walking out to the mound with girardi to take him out of the game would have been a good time. here phil, sign this. 4 years- 40 million.

  84. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I said it when Hughes was pitching well and I’ll say it again now. Hughes is inconsistent. He’s not a good pitcher, he’s not a bad pitcher, he’s an inconsistent pitcher and that’s why I would be very cautious about giving him a contract after this season.

    —————-

    Is he AJ Burnett?

  85. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I said it when Hughes was pitching well and I’ll say it again now. Hughes is inconsistent. He’s not a good pitcher, he’s not a bad pitcher, he’s an inconsistent pitcher and that’s why I would be very cautious about giving him a contract after this season.

    —————-

    Is he AJ Burnett?
    ——————-

    Pretty much.

  86. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    I hope Adams plays so well that the Yanks are forced to make Youk a platoon 1B and they are forced to do something with Arod
    ——-
    I’m on board with that. We don’t know about the power due to that ankle. I think he’s serviceable at 3B. Won’t hurt them.

  87. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Jesus Bustero says:
    May 16, 2013 at 10:00 am
    It would be unreal if Adams can play like all those late bloomers St. Louis cranks out like Craig and Freese.

    For real…..the guy I’ve compared him to (Young) was sorta a late bloomer too…..he was never a great prospect but came up to the big leagues at 25
    and got a chance and started hitting .

    Young had a career .817 minor league OPS….Adams is .830. They are kinda similar guys IMO as young players…..Young just took off in the big leagues…..doesn’t mean Adams will but sure woukd be cool if he did

  88. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    I hope Adams plays so well that the Yanks are forced to make Youk a platoon 1B and they are forced to do something with Arod
    ——-
    I’m on board with that. We don’t know about the power due to that ankle. I think he’s serviceable at 3B. Won’t hurt them.
    —————-

    Adams isn’t a power hitter. He wasn’t before the ankle injury either. He’s a great AVG/OBP guy – a solid Chuck Knoblauch type at the plate in that sense. If he can play at this level as he has in AAA he would be a solid #2 hitter between Gardner and Cano until Derek returns.

  89. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Has Marshall been sent down yet?
    If not Joba, what other pitcher would be serviceable?
    Nuno needs to start down there.

  90. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Matt Carpenter is another late bloomer on the Cards. The league has plenty. Michael Morse is another one (obviously not through the Cards). Why not the Yankees?

    Adams and Nunez could be sleeper late bloomers. It would be a boon if it worked out that way.

  91. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “There’s nothing they can be forced to do with Alex. He has a no trade clause and I can’t imagine David Adams playing well enough over the next few weeks for the Yankees to decide to release Alex and eat $100 million bucks.”

    If he comes up and hits then it would be wise of the Yanks to play the 26 year old over the. 37 year old….. It could get interesting and hopefully Adams forces them to make hard decisions

  92. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    If I win the 475 million Powerball I will buy out Alex Rodriguez in exchange for a small ownership share. That would be my gift to all LoHud so don’t try to hit me up for tickets.

  93. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Guys like Tex and Arod are very likely to have setbacks.
    Jeter is the only one who seems to not be chomping at the bit to get his job back, but he is smarter than either of them.

  94. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Adams doesn’t have much power but he’s always hit around .300 and always gotten on base….career .380 OBP in the minors

  95. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Choo is great, but he is getting a Nick Swisher+ contract. I dont think they can sign him unless they abolish the 189 mission.

    I’d love to have Choo, he would be a great leadoff/2 hole guy for the Yankees and would explode even more in NYS.

  96. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Adams isn’t a power hitter. He wasn’t before the ankle injury either. He’s a great AVG/OBP guy – a solid Chuck Knoblauch type at the plate in that sense. If he can play at this level as he has in AAA he would be a solid #2 hitter between Gardner and Cano until Derek returns.
    ———-
    Yep, he wouldn’t hurt the Yankees. I’m very partial to tough quality at bats.

    And power with those types of hitters develops late. When they’re comfortable at the plate, they’ll cheat on a pitch early in the count.

  97. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    “Choo is great, but he is getting a Nick Swisher+ contract. I dont think they can sign him unless they abolish the 189 mission.”

    I agree if not more….I think if they forget 189 then they should sign him…..but that’s the kicker really on all decisions

  98. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Randy,

    Here’s a link to the article I mentioned last night. The author is Ben Lindbergh, his credentials are Editor-in-chief of Baseball Prospectus
    Has interned for multiple MLB teams
    Member of the BBWAA

    http://www.grantland.com/story.....ina-others

    It’s a long article. Read it through to the end when you have the time. But, basically it talks about how pitch framing has been quantified, and the advantage it gives.

    I find this interesting whether we’re talking about Montero or not. Just another intricacy of baseball that’s fun to discuss. (And he’s not mentioned in the article, btw)

  99. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    If Choo finishes with a .900 OPS (he’s over 1.000 now) I would think Boras could get him 18 million per. I wouldn’t blink.

  100. MaineYankee May 16th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    4 years- 40 million.

    ———————————————–

    I was thinking cheaper than that after a clunker like that.

    I think after that performance if a pitcher has a bad outing they won’t call it a clunker.

    They’ll call it a Hughes. :lol:

  101. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    ” jesus bustero”

    are you really going to keep using that ridiculous username?

    yeah, baseball being baseball, montero is going to have his bad days. he might have one next game, but do you really want to define yourself by rooting against a 23 year old kid who’s having the time of his life ?

    are you going to come out and gloat on the his days and then go quiet on his good days.

    i you’re going to wear that name, man up and talk about him after he’s part of kicking the yankees butt.

    don’t be like ys guy and hide when things don’t go his way only to reappear when he is giddy like a schoolgirl.

  102. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Would be cool if Austin and Adams could give them 2 cheap position players for 2014 who hit for average and get on base……

  103. longtimefan May 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Same old bs sping with Hughes, wake up, you are making over $7 mill and pitching like you belong in AA. At the end of the season time to cut ties with Hughes and give someone else a shot can’t be much worse, you can’t live in the middle of the plate with a straight 92 mph fastball in the bigs and expect to do well

  104. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    They won’t sign Choo. Hal doesn’t give in to names like his Dad did.
    He prolly won’t even talk to Boras.
    They are building this team around nobodies and loving it.

  105. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    thanks doreen , i’ll read it. looks good.

  106. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Cashman on the mound;

    “Sign this Phil”

    “Don’t sweat it Joe, we’ll attach piggy back hooks to Warren. You’re always bragging on his long relief ability”

  107. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “There’s nothing they can be forced to do with Alex. He has a no trade clause and I can’t imagine David Adams playing well enough over the next few weeks for the Yankees to decide to release Alex and eat $100 million bucks.”

    If he comes up and hits then it would be wise of the Yanks to play the 26 year old over the. 37 year old….. It could get interesting and hopefully Adams forces them to make hard decisions
    —————-

    It’s not a hard decision though. If he’s healthy enough to play, the Yankees will play Alex. Whether those at bats come at the expense of Adams, Youkilis or Hafner is the only real question.

  108. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Randy why use me as a vessel to take a swipe at Ys Guy?

    I like my ridiculous costume plus Bret The Hitman was smeared as “Bret The Hitwoman”.

    -Buster

  109. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    If we can stop asking Phil to be something he really is not, then it’s easier to deal with a night like last night. Of course it will depend on how the season unfolds (I expect last night to be his nadir), but he is likely going to be the best FA pitcher on the market; the Yankees have spots in their rotation to fill next season (at the very least I expect Pettitte to permanently retire), I expect them to make a strong effort to sign Hughes.

    Phil’s market depends on how the rest of the year goes. Simple as that.

    And of course, the wild card is what Phil himself wants to do, where he wants to pitch (if he gets offers from those places).

  110. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Doreen,

    I like anything new that tries to quantify stuff but I dont buy anything that says chris stewart is more valuable than Mariano Rivera. Basically I think, like defensive metrics, you should look at them to get an idea of who is valuable. Like we can conclude that Cervelli and Jose Molina and Chris Stewart are good at framing, so we give them pluses in that category, but I don’t think I’m ready to say Jose Molina is worth as much as Albert Pujols hitting from a run stand point.

    I say get robot umpires and remove pitch framing completely :twisted:

  111. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    @BBCSport: BREAKING: David Beckham announces his retirement from football

    They mean soccer

  112. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    If Choo finishes with a .900 OPS (he’s over 1.000 now) I would think Boras could get him 18 million per. I wouldn’t blink.
    ——————

    Except you don’t have a spot for him in the outfield.

    Gardner, Wells and Ichiro are all under contract for next year. Figure Alex will be the DH. Sure you can assume that Wells won’t play this well and so either he or Ichiro can be bench players, but I don’t think Cashman will commit that kind of money to a bench role in December by signing Choo.

  113. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I wouldn’t use last night’s game as a “look how good he is” for anyone on the Mariners. You had Phil Hughes pitching batting practice, and a very, very green rookie on the mound.

  114. jacksquat May 16th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    With a bad hip Arod was still an almost .800 OPS player, with a repaired hip his slg% probably goes back up and he is back over .800. That would be quite an achievement for Adams, he would have to duplicate his minor league numbers in the majors. I am not trying to cast doubt, just think it’s wise to wait and see with Adams before talking about him replacing Arod.

  115. champ809 May 16th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Hughes will not resigned next year unless something unforseen happens. I think his issue is that he just doesn’t drive himself enough to be the best that he can be.

    He’s talented and he knows it and he’s comfortable with where he is at that’s good enough for him. He doesn’t seem to be as driven as say a Matt Harvey who has said he wants be the best there is and on the days he pitches his goal is to dominate the other team. Phil doesn’t seem to have that kind of will.

    As far as Choo is concerned, he’d be a great addition and I’ve been saying on here for 2 years that we should have traded for him but he won’t be signing here next year as he’s putting himself in that $16- 18MM/ $75- 90MM contract range and the Yanks will only be signing Robbie to a big$ deal next season imo.

  116. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Would be cool if Austin and Adams could give them 2 cheap position players for 2014 who hit for average and get on base……
    ————-

    Question is which position Adams plays – whether he’s at 3b with Alex at DH or 2b with Cano in a different uniform.

  117. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Arod needs to play 3B a lot less going forward IMO…..so if they plan to keep him on the club then somebody is gonna have to play 3B a lot in the future

  118. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Jerkface -

    The article actually talked about how pitch framing might speed up the move to robots! It’s a fleeting advantage, but might as well look to exploit any edge you can while you can.

    I think the article did dabble a bit in hyperbole, sure. But I think the over-all point was that it’s a skill that can lead to some benefit, and which can be taught.

  119. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Arod isn’t gonna be (or shouldn’t be) an every day 3B going forward…..he’s gonna need to DH a lot to keep him healthy enough to get something out of that contract

  120. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    he’s gonna need to DH a lot to keep him healthy enough to get something out of that contract
    ===================
    where does that leave jeter?

  121. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    I think it leaves Jeter with one more season after 2013.

  122. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    I don’t know how dependable defensive metrics are anyway.

    As Randy said last night, sometimes the relationship between an umpire and a catcher is particularly good and it can buy you a strike call every now and then. You can’t quantify that. Reputation of pitcher/catcher also factors into it.

    But it’s an interesting topic.

  123. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Part of the Yanks gear shift needs to be playin the best players and playing players who are going to improve…..if Adams plays well he should play no matter what happens with Youk and Arod who are both too old and fragile to play 3B anyway

  124. jacksquat May 16th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 10:20 am
    I wouldn’t use last night’s game as a “look how good he is” for anyone on the Mariners. You had Phil Hughes pitching batting practice, and a very, very green rookie on the mound.

    Yes, they had 16 hits, it was a pile on, anyone who didn’t hit was an outlier.

  125. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    I think it leaves Jeter with one more season after 2013.
    ============================
    Not if he doesn’t want to retire.
    Imagine him on the redsox…

  126. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Well Mick doubts of his ability to play SS on that ankle are starting to creep in on me.

  127. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I think They could work out a system where Derek plays SS some and DHs some when Alex does play the field…..we will just have to see….. The bottom line though is that they need long term answers at 3B and SS and if Adams or anybody else shows they have potetial to do that then they need to play them IMO

  128. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I agree its an interesting topic, I just don’t think an organization should make CHris Stewart their starting catcher over it :)

  129. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Arod isn’t gonna be (or shouldn’t be) an every day 3B going forward…..he’s gonna need to DH a lot to keep him healthy enough to get something out of that contract
    ———————

    That’s fine. So Alex comes back in late July and DHs. Adams still isn’t playing…Youkilis will be.

    The Yankees aren’t going to have Hafner, Youkilis, Ichiro and Sewart as their bench.

  130. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    “Randy why use me as a vessel to take a swipe at Ys Guy?”

    bret-
    because that guy pisses me off :lol:

    (trisha taught me the new smiley face )

  131. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Well Mick doubts of his ability to play SS on that ankle are starting to creep in on me.
    ===========================
    then you DH him against everybody

  132. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    And I don’t think Jeter would do that to fans. He’d threaten Mets like Posada. He’d stay in town and Yankees fans could have all the access to him they desire.

  133. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Im excited about Adams being up, he was one of my favorite prospects and his derailment by injury was a huge shame. I hope he gets to play almost every day.

  134. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    He’d stay in town and Yankees fans could have all the access to him they desire.
    ======================
    If he leaves, so does his rep.

  135. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I think They could work out a system where Derek plays SS some and DHs some when Alex does play the field…..we will just have to see….. The bottom line though is that they need long term answers at 3B and SS and if Adams or anybody else shows they have potetial to do that then they need to play them IMO
    —————–

    I don’t disagree with you in the abstract. But the reality of this season is that if everyone’s healthy towards the end of the season, David Adams isn’t going to be playing 3b for the Yankees. It will either be Alex or Youkilis.

  136. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I had to catch most of the game last night on the radio so I didnt get to see Adams first 2 at bats, but I got to mlb.tv in time to see him line that 1-2 single which was a nice hit and he made some pretty good plays at 3B.

  137. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Would be cool if Austin and Adams could give them 2 cheap position players for 2014 who hit for average and get on base…
    ————

    I think circumstances will dictate that the two will be given a full chance. Top spending team in the Majors playing Adams at 3B, this year. You can’t make this stuff up.

  138. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    My dog is giving me the poop stare. It’s time.

  139. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Im excited about Adams being up, he was one of my favorite prospects and his derailment by injury was a huge shame. I hope he gets to play almost every day.
    —————–

    I agree – I very much would like to see what the kid can do. I hope that the Yankees don’t look at his lack of power as a reason why he can’t be their 3b going forward. At worst, I hope he shows enough that he can be plan b for when Cano walks as a free agent.

  140. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    “I agree its an interesting topic, I just don’t think an organization should make CHris Stewart their starting catcher over ”

    my point is that the catcher that can mash can do a lot of things that are intangibles defensively to make him way more valuable than the guy like girardi who is good defensively or like the guy like stewart who is good defensively.

    mashing plus acceptable baseline catching trumps defensive cacthers who don’t hit much.
    a posada is almost always going to be way more valuable to a baseball team than a girardi is.

  141. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    like you don’t know whats going on in his bowels.

  142. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “I don’t disagree with you in the abstract. But the reality of this season is that if everyone’s healthy towards the end of the season, David Adams isn’t going to be playing 3b for the Yankees. It will either be Alex or Youkilis.”

    I think it depends how they play ….Adams will really have to shine to change that but it’s possible

  143. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I had to catch most of the game last night on the radio so I didnt get to see Adams first 2 at bats, but I got to mlb.tv in time to see him line that 1-2 single which was a nice hit and he made some pretty good plays at 3B.
    ————–

    He did play well at 3b. And his first two at bats were good – he was facing a tough pitcher and was likely a bit nervous.

    I’m not one to read much into 4 at bats and I’m not going to start now. Youk and Alex are both far enough away that (assuming he plays regularly and not just to give “Nixy” a rest) he has plenty of time to get comfortable and give a representative accounting of himself.

  144. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    mick -
    you give your dog coconut oil?

    it’s really good for them. i think a teaspoon every twenty pounds.

    google it.

  145. blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Youkilis shouldn’t play 3B ever ideally…..he’s a bad defender there and it only makes him get hurt more IMO

  146. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    you assume i have a dog

  147. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “I don’t disagree with you in the abstract. But the reality of this season is that if everyone’s healthy towards the end of the season, David Adams isn’t going to be playing 3b for the Yankees. It will either be Alex or Youkilis.”

    I think it depends how they play ….Adams will really have to shine to change that but it’s possible
    ————–

    Blake,

    I don’t like throwing out absolutes, but I will here. The only way that David Adams will play 3b over a healthy Alex and Youkilis on a regular basis is if the Yankees are so far out of playoff contention that the team has thrown in the towel on this season.

  148. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    why has the news on youk been so quiet?

  149. jacksquat May 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    I’m talking about this year with Arod/Adams (and Youk). Next year is a totally different situation (Youk and Hafner not signed).

    If at some point all of Arod/Youk/Adams were healthy I would guess there would be some sort of rotation.

  150. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    I’m hoping that Ichiro’s pride makes him hang it up after this year.

    Expecting positive contributions this year from Jeter and A Rod is almost wish casting. Then comes the Teix gamble

  151. bruceb May 16th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    @BBCSport: BREAKING: David Beckham announces his retirement from football

    They mean soccer

    No, they mean FOOTBALL, Blake…a game watched by 3.5 billion worldwide. Maybe you’re getting it confused with Gridiron, that quaint little game played by those rowdy Mericans?

  152. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    sorry mick

    i meant bret.

    i get you two mixed up sometimes.

    bret that message about coconut oil and you dog was for you

  153. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    right now who is thinking about the return of any of our fallen superstars?
    in fact, ive heard more of how they will disrupt the chemistry than the need for them.
    funny how low expectations can free you…

  154. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    im sure brett knows coconut oil

  155. Mike Ri May 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    David Beckham announces his retirement from football
    —-

    Dude was a beast for Manchester United .

  156. The Genius Maker May 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am
    ok, anyone here who doesn’t think montero can play baseball at the mlb level?

    are we done with the silly BS that he can’t.

    yes its open to how far he’ll go and how good he’ll be, but is there anyone who think he’s no going to be a 10 year mlb player at least?
    ***************

    That is a LONG way from this guy will be a dominant force. Right now, his defense is what we thought it was (not major league) and his offense has been worse than expected. I expected 30+ type HR power but low BA/OBP. So far he has been awful though.

    As for Posada always being more valuable than Girardi; again bad analogy as Posada always threw better than Girardi (who was overrated). Girardi blocked balls better and framed pitches better and ran better, outside of that Posada was a lot better.

  157. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    mick
    i’m sure he is uses it, but not everyone knows about it with pets. it really does give them nutrients they wouldn’t normally get. they love it too.

  158. willkamm May 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Anyone in the mood for some Yankee baseball music trivia? This may have been posted here before because its been going around.

    Which U.S. band has a direct family connection to a former New York Yankee ballplayer?

  159. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    what won’t a dog eat?

  160. Bo knows May 16th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    As a Yankee fan, I think all these injuries are great in some sense. Rather than getting spread out, it’s the hammer therapy.

    Gets the team away from the “We need a mess of 25 mil players.

  161. mick May 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Gets the team away from the “We need a mess of 25 mil players.
    =====================
    This is Hal’s philosophy, yet he gets flack.

  162. champ809 May 16th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    While Dave Adams is not a power/homerun hitter he’s not Chuck Knoblach either. he has some power as he’s for the most part slugged about .480 as a minor leaguer. I see him as being more of a Brian Roberts type bat – although not a switchie- where he’s a doubles machine who could hit 15 HRs with 500 ABs.

  163. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    “Right now, his defense is what we thought it was (not major league) ”

    genius maker-

    with all due respect to your division one catching experience which i do respect a lot, montero is catching major league all stars. the kid can catch.

    he’s going to be in the game for a long tme and barring injury ,he’s going to catch. i caught jack armstrong much of winter before he started the national league al star game. i know what catching is. i know what it is to catch an all star pitcher. i know what it looks like. i also know what the catching looks and feels like to catch an all star. montero can do it and is doing it.

    he did it right before your eyes if you watched last night.

    you know way too much about catching to bash this kid. i really don’t get it unless it’s just jealousy.

  164. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    i gotta go. be back to do battle later :)

  165. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Randy,

    Don’t be simple. Montero is near last in any of these pitch framing studies. Is last or near last in throwing out runners. He is not agile so I do not think he is going to be blocking pitches very well. At best we can say he might call a good game.

    There are plenty of reasons beyond jealously for anyone to call out his catching. Catching now doesn’t mean he can catch going forward. He has to work harder and improve for that to be true. If there is no improvement he will not be a catcher.

  166. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    jerkface -

    But they can justify having Stewart and Cervelli share the role over the other alternatives.

  167. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Vernon Wells played 3B behind a Hall of Famer, doesn’t mean he is a major league third baseman. Montero is still in the ‘figuring out where he can stick’ stage, and there is definitely no guarantee its at catcher.

  168. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    David Adams cannot be an every day 3B. Arm is just not there. The eyes don’t lie. He was ok at the plate, getting thrown into his first MLB game against a really tough righty. He may be able to help, but it won’t be at third.

  169. joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    willkamm May 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am
    Anyone in the mood for some Yankee baseball music trivia? This may have been posted here before because its been going around.

    Which U.S. band has a direct family connection to a former New York Yankee ballplayer?
    ******************
    Would it be the country band the Texies who had the hit “My Baby Threw Me a Curve Ball, and I Popped It Up To Second”?

  170. willkamm May 16th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    joecembrale May 16th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    willkamm May 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am
    Anyone in the mood for some Yankee baseball music trivia? This may have been posted here before because its been going around.

    Which U.S. band has a direct family connection to a former New York Yankee ballplayer?
    ******************
    Would it be the country band the Texies who had the hit “My Baby Threw Me a Curve Ball, and I Popped It Up To Second”?

    No. Nice try though. Wrong genre. More of a blues rock band.

  171. LGY May 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Chip says:
    May 16, 2013 at 10:04 am
    Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Chip May 16th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I said it when Hughes was pitching well and I’ll say it again now. Hughes is inconsistent. He’s not a good pitcher, he’s not a bad pitcher, he’s an inconsistent pitcher and that’s why I would be very cautious about giving him a contract after this season.

    —————-

    Is he AJ Burnett?
    ——————-

    Pretty much.

    ——-

    Maybe a poor man’s AJ Burnett.

    AJ was really good in his prime.

  172. MG May 16th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    randy, no disrespect but Montero couldn’t throw himself out trying to steal, his release is way too slow (because his arm action is way too long) to cope with major league runners. 1 for 18 is 1 for 18, awful.

    You’ve said that for years about Cervelli and he was throwing out about 3 per 18, this is 1/3 of that.

    He can get away with hit catching Felix and maybe Iwakuma because they don’t allow many runners but we both know that wouldn’t fly over a full season.

    I also didn’t see that great, quick bat last night, just a guy in between pitches and not locked into anything-he wasn’t that way during his September callup with the Yankees, I have to assume it’s because the scouting reports have identified his weaknesses and he’s had trouble adjusting.

    He may wind up playing 10 years in the bigs, he may not, but that’s a far cry from the sure thing that has been talked about on this blog for years.

    I don’t wish the kid anything bad but I’ve watched enough guys play the game over the years to have a pretty good idea of what it takes to be a star and I just don’t see it.

  173. The Genius Maker May 16th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Randy, I think you said you are gone, but jealousy is a silly comment. Did you watch his throw on Gardner? he took a very long time to throw the ball. he also catches the ball away from the plate far too often and is a little stiff as well. As for being a div 1 catcher, that doesn’t make me better or worse than anyone on this board, it only gives me some perspective. I just happen to know the game a lot but couldn’t avoid injury. I went an entire year without committing an error – a div I record that will never be broken :-) I am pretty sure that Montero will not be an average defensive MLB catcher. He will always be a weak defensive catcher; the hope (for Montero fans) is his hitting will offset that.

  174. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Sometimes i wonder about YankeeSource. He talks too much about prospects he cannot possibly be watching play (being in Japan and all) and then says things like ‘Hughes made his pitch’ to Ibanez and that Ibanez just put a good swing on it. It was a hanging breaking ball :???: He seems to be useful for NPB stuff only.

  175. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “No, they mean FOOTBALL, Blake…a game watched by 3.5 billion worldwide. Maybe you’re getting it confused with Gridiron, that quaint little game played by those rowdy Mericans?”

    Isn’t it really futbol ? Football is what Peyton Manning plays

  176. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Also on several occasions I’ve caught him ‘scouting’ from gameday. Boo on you, YankeeSource.

  177. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “hanging breaking ball He seems to be useful for NPB stuff only?”

    I think he’s a guy that lives in Japanand watches Japanese baseball as a fan…..I’ve read enough of his tweets to think he’s no scout

  178. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Jerk face
    So if all those things matter so much
    Why do the mariners win more than they lose when montero is catching?
    Seems like they should lose more if he’s that bad
    Just saying

  179. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “hanging breaking ball He seems to be useful for NPB stuff only?”

    I think he’s a guy that lives in Japanand watches Japanese baseball as a fan…..I’ve read enough of his tweets to think he’s no scout

    ————————-

    Does anyone know if he has a real job in baseball lol?? Perhaps I’ll ask..

  180. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    He’s most likely a Yankee fan from NY living in Japan for work who keeps up with Japanese baseba while he’s there

  181. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Good morning still,

    Blake,

    The English invented the game and is called “football” in English and “Futbol” in Spanish which is what we call an americanism for “Balon pie”

  182. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    “Does anyone know if he has a real job in baseball lol?? Perhaps I’ll ask..”

    Real scouts affiliated with teams don’t tweet about players

  183. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    “The English invented the game and is called “football” in English and “Futbol” in Spanish which is what we call an americanism for “Balon pie””

    Eh…..whatevs

  184. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    allman brothers? butch and virgil trucks?

  185. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    throw in derek trucks.

  186. MG May 16th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am
    Jerk face
    So if all those things matter so much
    Why do the mariners win more than they lose when montero is catching?
    Seems like they should lose more if he’s that bad
    Just saying
    ————-
    I don’t know, maybe because he’s been catching mostly Felix Hernandez?

  187. randy l. May 16th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Genius maker
    Yeah tha was silly comment
    Sorry about that
    Trying to do too many things at once

  188. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Vernon Wells played 3B behind a Hall of Famer, doesn’t mean he is a major league third baseman. Montero is still in the ‘figuring out where he can stick’ stage, and there is definitely no guarantee its at catcher.
    ———————

    Given his numbers there’s not guarantee he’s a major leaguer

  189. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Catcher is not the 1 position that determines wins and losses, Randy.

  190. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    I feed my dog the BARF diet. BARF stands for Biologically Appropriate Raw Food Diet. Each week I buy 2 packs of chicken drumsticks. They’re cheap because most of the weight is bone. He eats the whole thing raw. At first he didn’t know what to do with it. Over time his instincts kicked in and he now has learned to tear away at the flesh, separating it from the bone into more manageable pieces. He uses his paws to maneuver the bone. He crunches down on the bone and eats the raw bone as well. At first he would rush and swallow pieces that were too large but luckily dogs are able to expand their throats when they choke. He no longer regurgitates after eating which is a problem for some small breeds. I suspect the mechanism of chewing/jaw pressure triggers release of powerful digestive enzymes. I also feed him one can of sardines a day, in spring water no salt added. His health is a sight to behold.

  191. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Luis,

    Espn has informed me that American Football is the only sport in existence

  192. MG May 16th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am
    Luis,

    Espn has informed me that American Football is the only sport in existence
    ——————
    south of the Mason-Dixon line that is probably true, blake, particularly for college football.

    For me, soccer is soccer, I just don’t get it…

  193. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am
    Luis,

    Espn has informed me that American Football is the only sport in existence

    ============================

    Considering the source ;) I am not surprised :D

  194. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Soccer is Footie.

  195. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I’ve tried to watch both soccer and ice soccer before… Just doesn’t interest me really at all but to each there own…..some folks don’t like baseball (for some reason )

  196. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Montero’s numbers last year show a big leaguer… they weren’t HOF numbers but certainly passable for a catcher.

  197. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    @jnorris427: RT @McCulloughSL: Robinson Cano: .301/.345/.552, 10 HR, 25 RBI. Vernon Wells: .301/.357/.538, 10 HR, 23 RBI. … http://t.co/G9A5WeIECz

    Can’t figure baseball

  198. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Soccer never caught on in America only because they can’t find a way to fit commercials into it the way they can with most of the other top 4 sports here.

  199. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    MG,

    For the rest of the world… Football is Soccer… In fact, The least players do on an American Football game is kick the ball with their feet… I guess they used the term because they kick the ball at the start of the game, after scoring and for field goals… And the term is very catchy for marketing porposes

  200. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    @McCulloughSL: Vernon Wells ranks second among AL outfielders in WAR, third in wOBA and wRC+. In other words: An All-Star through seven weeks.

    Unreal …everyone vote 4 Vern

  201. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I meant Soccer is Footbal

  202. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Shame,

    Also “Soccer” is a lousy name game… Like insult lousy ;)

  203. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Randy -

    If Montero is catching their best pitchers, of course they’re going to be more likely to win.

    It’d be more impressive if they paired him with their worst pitchers and they started to win.

  204. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Which U.S. band has a direct family connection to a former New York Yankee ballplayer?

    willkamm—-see 11:19 above——what is my prize?

  205. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Are there Sabermetrics in soccer?

  206. The Genius Maker May 16th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    No problem Randy. I had enough years to feel sorry for myself because of breaking a disc in my back, but I don’t ever feel jealous. I respect these guys as staying healthy is a feat in itself. I marvel at guys like Nolan Ryan who pitched for so long and threw so many pitches.

  207. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Doreen,

    Sorry to cut in on this instance… But Felix is not easy to catch… He is not Maddux control and command wise…

  208. Mike in Harrisburg May 16th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Couldn’t help but laugh at the latest effort from the Yankees Shameless Commerce Division.

    http://twitpic.com/cqzjbw

  209. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    We’ve come a long way from a generational Ruth-like figure to this present incarnation of jesus.

  210. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:38 am
    Are there Sabermetrics in soccer?

    ========================

    :D Not really… There is a lot of subjectivity stillon that game… Umps ( Arbiters ) have toomuch power over the game and sometimes it get’s skewd by this

  211. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Montero’s numbers last year show a big leaguer… they weren’t HOF numbers but certainly passable for a catcher.
    —————-

    His numbers were passable for a good catcher. Not good enough though to overlook his lack of skills behind the plate. And they weren’t good enough to be a regular DH.

  212. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    I would have liked to see a control contest between Maddux and Mo…..like set up 20 cups and see who knocked down the most or something…..I bet Mo would win but it’d be fun

  213. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Randy Knows: Backup catchers.

  214. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Sorry to cut in on this instance… But Felix is not easy to catch… He is not Maddux control and command wise…

    He may as well be, 2.3 BB/9 the past 3 seasons. Its 1.something this season. You know what she meant though. Felix is very good.

  215. willkamm May 16th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    allman brothers? butch and virgil trucks?
    mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    throw in derek trucks.

    Yes! I was thinking, if anyone got it you would. Butch is his nephew and Derek is his great nephew. Derek has been quite the fan since he was a kid. Braves I think. Recently hooked up with Virgil before he passed. Derek’s wife’s family has season tix to Bosox games and Derek has met, I think it was pesky who batted against Virgil “Fire” Trucks.

    A lot of info on line about them especially between Virgil and Derek.

  216. The Genius Maker May 16th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Blake, you picked the one guy that belongs in that discussion with Mo!

  217. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 11:42 am
    Sorry to cut in on this instance… But Felix is not easy to catch… He is not Maddux control and command wise…

    He may as well be, 2.3 BB/9 the past 3 seasons. Its 1.something this season. You know what she meant though. Felix is very good.

    ======================

    Not arguing the “Very good ” part… Just that Felix has his fare share of potential WP’s… And the couple of games I saw with Montero behind the plate, he blocked all of them…

  218. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I meant “fair share”

  219. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Yes! I was thinking, if anyone got it you would.
    ====================
    Thanks. Then I guess you win the prize..

  220. Warning Track Power May 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Would be easy to pick on Hughes after his 2/3 of an inning start last night, but I’ll give
    him a pass for now. He’s probably beating himself up over this more than any of us could.
    The guy just didn’t have it last night. These things happen to almost every starter.
    So let’s just hope he rebounds in his next start and the 2/3 of an inning start is an anomaly.

  221. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Chip May 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Montero’s numbers last year show a big leaguer… they weren’t HOF numbers but certainly passable for a catcher.
    —————-

    His numbers were passable for a good catcher. Not good enough though to overlook his lack of skills behind the plate. And they weren’t good enough to be a regular DH.

    —————–

    I don’t watch him catch daily, admittedly, but I don’t think that many others on here do either, so I don’t feel all that comfortable speaking to his skills behind the plate. Personally from what I have seen, I’ve seen nothing so egregious to declare he has no business playing there.

    For his first year in the majors, I thought he put together a pretty good season after a poor first half.

    Montero’s become another victim of hyperbole, IMO. If he continues on like this for the duration of the year and can’t get it together next year, I’ll be more inclined to think he’s not a major league player.

  222. MaineYankee May 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Doreen

    It’d be more impressive if they paired him with their worst pitchers

    ———————————————————-

    They don’t want to hurt his trade value. :D:

  223. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    As long as we’re butchering sacred cows like Montero:

    Presumably steroid free Melky Cabrera has an OPS of .680 a 1/4 of the way through the season.

  224. bruceb May 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am
    I feed my dog the BARF diet. BARF stands for Biologically Appropriate Raw Food Diet. Each week I buy 2 packs of chicken drumsticks. They’re cheap because most of the weight is bone. He eats the whole thing raw.

    Thank God I’m not your mutt. I like mine fried, then coated in Buffalo Sauce.

    …the dog’s made a mess on the carpet.

  225. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    luis…is your interest and knowledge of Montero and Felix based on the fact they are your countrymen?

  226. willkamm May 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Which U.S. band has a direct family connection to a former New York Yankee ballplayer?

    willkamm—-see 11:19 above——what is my prize?

    Your prize, its more like a reward is just in knowing you knew or got the answer that quickly. I had it up at a Yankee news group at Google for most of a day and no one had a clue.

  227. CompassRosy May 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Bo knows says:
    May 16, 2013 at 9:22 am
    I was expecting a Komodo dragon last night but Iwakuma looked pedestrian to me, certainly not Kingesque or Kuroda ll. If hitters laid off strikes at the knees, he’s hittable.

    ~ ~ ~

    You might want to get some players’ opinions on that ;)

    Granted, Kuma did give up his share of hits yesterday (bound to happen now and then) but, he still has the lowest WHIP in the AL and the third lowest BAA.

    Basically, he’s been one of the best pitchers in the majors over his last 23 starts (13-4 with a 2.08ERA)

    Safe to say the M’s have a pretty good 1-2 punch with King and Kuma. Now, if the bats could produce runs even half of what they did last night on a consistent basis, they might actually get somewhere ;-)

  228. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    AAO

    You’re right; I’m wrong.

    Roberts just said he’d take Ibanez over Hafner because he could play the field.

    Pure idiocy.

    My bad.

  229. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    He’s probably beating himself up over this more than any of us could.
    ==========================
    Do you think he even knows what went wrong? What the problem is?
    He admits he doesn’t want to look at the negative stuff.

  230. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I had it up at a Yankee news group at Google for most of a day and no one had a clue.
    ================
    ever hear of the peter principle?

  231. DONNYBROOK May 16th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    I give Hughes credit for taking his medicine like a man, but based on his career track record to this point, would pass on bringing him back with a long term deal. He is just too inconsistent.

  232. bruceb May 16th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    WTP

    I don’t want to pick on Hughes either but how many times have we seen CC, Andy and Kuroda make a shaky start yet still be in there for the sixth, seventh and sometimes eighth inning? You have to find a way to limit the damage and move on. Phil just doesn’t seem to have that same mental toughness.

  233. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    I don’t watch him catch daily, admittedly, but I don’t think that many others on here do either, so I don’t feel all that comfortable speaking to his skills behind the plate. Personally from what I have seen, I’ve seen nothing so egregious to declare he has no business playing there.

    For his first year in the majors, I thought he put together a pretty good season after a poor first half.

    Montero’s become another victim of hyperbole, IMO. If he continues on like this for the duration of the year and can’t get it together next year, I’ll be more inclined to think he’s not a major league player.
    —————————–

    I think Montero is 1 for 20 in throwing out baserunners this year and the comment about him throughout the minors is that he’s not a good catcher.

    If you’re going to hit what Montero has hit you have to be very good defensively (or have Girardi as your manager)

    The real problem for Montero is that they have a really good young catcher coming up behind him in Zunino who can hit and field. If Montero doesn’t hit enough to either hold the position or force Wedge to make him the DH over Ibanez/Morales then he will be in Tacoma.

  234. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    bruceb,

    He is just not in the same league of the pitchers you are mentioning..

  235. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Rich in NJ May 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    AAO

    You’re right; I’m wrong.

    Roberts just said he’d take Ibanez over Hafner because he could play the field.

    Pure idiocy.

    My bad.
    —————

    Last night Leiter said he would keep Overbay over Pronk when Tex comes back for the same reason

  236. willkamm May 16th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I had it up at a Yankee news group at Google for most of a day and no one had a clue.
    ================
    ever hear of the peter principle?
    Yes, but I don’t see how that applies here.

  237. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    alright-what would you expect a yankee news group to know about the yankees?

  238. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    My dog is glad he’s not a human because he eats better than most. The chicken drumsticks are organic but my dog can hardly tell the difference. I know the organic chicken is feedlot (not pastured) but would prefer the soy and/or corn in the feed to not be polluted with insecticides or as the food industry cleverly framed it “Genetically Modified” as if to imply in this case modification is an improvement (it’s not). Organic chicken drumsticks are still cheap – again because most of the weight is bone and humans have no use for it. But for dogs? It’s a tremendous nutrition bang for your buck. And sardines represent complete nutrition for your dog. And they’re cheap too at $1/can.

    Of course there’s always Alpo. But with a lower food bill comes a higher vet bill, not to mention pain and suffering for your dog.

  239. willkamm May 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I had it up at a Yankee news group at Google for most of a day and no one had a clue.

    and I gave them clues like, 1) Band played at Fillmore East. 2) Player was a pitcher and played on same squad as mantle, Ford, Berra.

  240. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    All this being said, if Montero was hitting, there’d really be no discussion. As long as he’s not hitting, whatever deficiencies he has defensively will be magnified.

    He is not getting the at bats he needs to really work this out. They’ve decided he’s a catcher or bust. At least for now, and that stinks. From the article I posted yesterday that was dated May 13, it said there is no way for him to get at bats as a catcher at AAA because of their prospect there, so the only thing he’d do much of at AAA is get his at bats at DH.

    Seems to me they’re figuring he can get more benefit from learning his craft (catching) part time at the ML level. But i think the limited at bats is hurting his most valuable tool. I guess well have to see how the season unfolds for him.

  241. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    they only know the post jeter yanks-what can i tell ya

  242. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    The Genius Maker says:
    May 16, 2013 at 11:43 am
    Blake, you picked the one guy that belongs in that discussion with Mo!

    That’s why I picked him ;)

  243. willkamm May 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    alright-what would you expect a yankee news group to know about the yankees?

    I got it! Ha!

  244. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    That being said, never cook bone before feeding bone to your dog. The bone hardens and the shards can pierce or puncture the small intestines as they pass through. The chicken bones have to be raw for their softness and digestibility. Remember the R in BARF stands for Raw.

  245. mick May 16th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Seems to me they’re figuring he can get more benefit from learning his craft (catching) part time at the ML level.
    ===============
    maybe they’re trying to “showcase” him.

  246. blake May 16th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    “Presumably steroid free Melky Cabrera has an OPS of .680 a 1/4 of the way through the season.”

    Terrible April but he’s hitting .351 with an .856 OpS in may. He’s a lot better than Ichiro which was kinda the point given they are making similar money

  247. luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Doreen,

    The hitting coaches over there are not helping either… His batting approach is nowhere near where it used to be… He has become a pull hitter… With that kind of approach he is basically surrendering the outer half of the plate ( That used to be his strength ).

  248. bruceb May 16th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Luis

    Too true and the sad part is he never will be. You never know what you’re going to get from one start to the next.

  249. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I don’t think the M’s will rush Zunino this year, so he’ll still get a lot of playing time to turn things around if possible.

    I just don’t see why we’d evaluate him as a big leaguer or not based on two months of his sophmore season. If that were the case, we’d have a couple players that would also be in question.

    I just think the discussions around Montero have reached a point of complete absurdity. Can we go the entire month of June without his name coming up in any capacity and just try to see how things go lol?

  250. Chip May 16th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Doreen,

    I don’t think Montero’s lack of hitting magnifies his problems in the field, I think Montero’s ability to hit covers up those deficiencies and when he’s not hitting then there’s no lipstick on that particular pig.

    The problem is that if Montero’s not hitting you can’t play him because of his catching deficiencies and if he’s not playing then he can’t improve his hitting. In theory they could DH him and bring in another catcher to split time with Shoppach, but they’ve got 4 DHs on the team already and they’re all out hitting Montero.

  251. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Did they ever think of bringing in Melky for two years to corrupt Cano to the point where his diminished performance would cost him leverage in contract negotiations?

    Nooooooooo.

  252. blake May 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Melky will outhit Ichiro by a wide margin by the end of the season and he will still be 10 years younger too

  253. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Sometimes news outlets make a decision to ban a certain subject for a month… they’ve done it with Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian lol… I have faith we can do it.

  254. luis May 16th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    Melky will outhit Ichiro by a wide margin by the end of the season and he will still be 10 years younger too

    ================================

    This…..

  255. Jerkface May 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Zunino is only hitting .229 .304 .505 .809 in the PCL. Something something baseball is hard.

  256. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Melky will outhit Ichiro by a wide margin by the end of the season and he will still be 10 years younger too

    —————-

    Likely.

    I love Ichiro, but he should have been brought in to be a 4th OFer type. And paid like one since he had no other deals. We didn’t even hear about teams interested other than his agent saying ‘teams have shown interest’ lol.

  257. Hassey May 16th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Things in here seemed to have calmed down today?

    Strange things happen here when that LoHud poltergeist drops in from the TV.

  258. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Ichiro v. RHP this season:

    .191 .258 .281 .539

    It could correct, and probably will some, but jeez, that’s DFA’able.

  259. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    It’s just weird that two of the major deals we offered at a time when we were trying to save (are still trying to save?) money were guys that weren’t offered anything close to what we paid… we overpaid for both Youk and Ichiro.

  260. blake May 16th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Lot of top prospects aren’t hitting yet in the minors…..Zunino, Olt, Castellanos, Profar

  261. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Hasn’t Montero has lost his job to Shoppach and isn’t Stewie out-hitting him?

  262. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Hassey – I appreciated your attempts to calm things last night as well lol.

  263. The Genius Maker May 16th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Last night Leiter said he would keep Overbay over Pronk when Tex comes back for the same reason
    **********

    Overbay was the guy who I said was the one good cheap pickup we made because he does one thing well and that is field and he can hit just enough to not kill you. Honestly, he has fielded only OK and has hit better than I expected. regardless, if your choice is Pronk or Overbay, Overbay is gone; and Leiter is foolish. I would try and trade Overbay for anything I could get

  264. Jesus Bustero May 16th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    If Ichiro retired and the draft pick collected for Hughes that’s the 18 million required for Choo. It’s nice to dream.

  265. blake May 16th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Axisa said in his post yesterday that Ichiro is hitting worse than Randy Winn was when everyone was storming the gates asking for his release…..and he’s right…..Ichiro is Ichiro and deserves more rope but they can’t keep playing a corner OFer hitting worse than Chris Stewart forever

  266. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Chip,

    The definition of he vicious cycle.

    As to the other, different sides to the same coin I think. But the bottom line is for Montero to be a successful player, he has to hit.

    Shame, as long as the Yankees are not facing the Mariners I think that it’s doable for his name to not be uttered in June. Unless he’s demoted or starts on a hitting spree (which is hard to do if you’re not allowed to play).

  267. Warning Track Power May 16th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    bruceb May 16th, 2013 at 11:50 am
    WTP

    I don’t want to pick on Hughes either but how many times have we seen CC, Andy and Kuroda make a shaky start yet still be in there for the sixth, seventh and sometimes eighth inning? You have to find a way to limit the damage and move on. Phil just doesn’t seem to have that same mental toughness.
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    Well prior to the start last night I was not a strong believer in signing Hughes to a massive/long term contract.

    You are correct, Hughes might not have the mental toughness. He allowed the walk to the 2nd hitter to spiral into an inning where he could only get 2 outs.
    The HR pitch to Ibanez was terrible. Missed the spot by several feet. There is no reason to give Ibanez a pitch inside. Ibanez has proven he can turn on that ball.

    There are games where Hughes can shutdown a team and then there are starts where Hughes gives up huge innings. Sounds like the definition of inconsistent. Not a good way to describe a young pitcher that is looking for a HUGE PAYDAY

  268. luis May 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    blake May 16th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    Axisa said in his post yesterday that Ichiro is hitting worse than Randy Winn was when everyone was storming the gates asking for his release…..and he’s right…..Ichiro is Ichiro and deserves more rope but they can’t keep playing a corner OFer hitting worse than Chris Stewart forever

    ==========================

    My beef with the Ichiro signing is that it is for two years… they wasting money in him that could be used on more pressing needs

  269. blake May 16th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    I still can’t believe Vernon Wells has basically hit like Cano through 6 weeks…..

  270. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    luis May 16th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Doreen,

    The hitting coaches over there are not helping either… His batting approach is nowhere near where it used to be… He has become a pull hitter… With that kind of approach he is basically surrendering the outer half of the plate ( That used to be his strength ).
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    hey primo :D,

    Was at the game last night. Not much of a crowd to witness Hughes’ blowup but it was sooo bad I wrote it off.

    Very nice to be able to see Adams’ debut & first hit, since I have seen him so often down here. People will find that he’s a real pro. Hope he gets to have more than a token chance but I’m in the Missouri minset about that…

    You and I have been talking for a while now about Jesus being turned into a pull guy, and while I certainly don’t consider it fatal, I don’t think it was his idea. He likes to mess around with his mechanics but I think this is an adaption that is coming from Hansen. It would be interesting to put a question or two to him and the hitting coach. He’s got youth and tremendous ability on his side. One day, he’s going to break out and not look back.

    Melky Cabrera is OPS’ing .956 in his last 54 PAs: .380/.396/.560 w/6 2B and a homer. He’s doing that while having a quadicreps issue on his right leg, and hamstring on left. In fact, they’ve been giving him turns at DH mixed in with LH to lighten the load on his legs from the turf.

  271. Doreen May 16th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    To me an issue is more that hughes sounds like he’s at a loss about what to do.

    Which might just be his demoralization coming through after such an horrific outing.

    I know that sleeping on a bad situation usually helps you to think more clearly about it the next day. So, I hope that in the light of a fresh day, he has a fresh perspective.

  272. blake May 16th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    I think it’s very possible Melky was just rusty in April still given that he hasn’t played in so long….that an be was getting used to a new team and city and country etc…..

  273. Shame Spencer May 16th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    :arrow:

  274. luis May 16th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Hey Primo!

    Yup, Hughes outing wasn’t very pretty.. I just hope that he wasn’t booed

    Adams has a nice stroke at the plate and made a couple of nice plays down the line on third as well… I think he is going to play a lot ( out of necessity, youk’s down, they DFA’d Nelson, so they have only Nix )… I guess we will find out.

    Melky will do just fine

  275. comnsnse May 16th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    I agree with the headline writer of this piece, indeed it is time for Hughes to move on!

  276. comnsnse May 16th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Luis, you “hope Hughes wasn’t booed”?

    If I’m ever audited by the IRS I hope I get you!

    You must be a real Prince! ;)

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