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Postgame notes: “He’s very important to us”

Posted by: Josh Thomson - Posted in Notes on May 18, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

David Phelps

Joe Girardi issued the above quote about David Phelps, who was strong throughout a career-long seven innings in today’s 7-2 win over the Blue Jays. Of course, it applies to Robinson Cano, too. Consider that as much of a no-doubter as Cano’s second two-run shot today, which carried through the bullpen to the bleachers in right-center.

Phelps and Cano powered the Yankees to their eighth victory in nine tries this season against the Blue Jays, who were thought to be preseason contenders in the AL East but now trail by 10 games. They’ve also dropped nine straight here at Yankee Stadium, including all six this season, and matched the franchise’s longest losing streak in the Bronx. The Yankees also won nine straight here against the Jays from June 21, 1979 to Sept. 17, 1980.

• For Phelps, the outing started slowly. He walked two in the first and fell behind 3-1 to Adam Lind. Phelps — with an assist from Jayson Nix — saved himself, escaping when Nix ducked behind Jose Bautista and snared Phelps’ pick-off throw. His tag ended the inning and escaped a jam that saw Phelps struggle with his control less than a week after walking five against Cleveland.

“It got me out of a jam right there,” Phelps said. “I think it was 3-1 on Lind right there. That could be the game with a big first inning, but I was able to put up a zero.”

• Phelps went on to throw a career-best seven innings and allow just one run on six hits and three walks. He struck out eight against the free-swinging Jays. The right-hander pumped his fist when he retired Melky Cabrera to end the seventh on pitch No. 113.

Phelps isn’t overpowering, but his slider was sharp today. He has now struck out 15 in his last two starts and has lasted at least six innings while allowing no more than two earned runs in his last three.

“I’m really encouraged,” Girardi said. “He’s giving us distance. He’s doing a lot of really good things.”

• Girardi wasn’t prepared to insert Phelps permanently into Ivan Nova’s vacated rotation spot, but Phelps’ ability to juggle relief and rotation roles has impressed the manager.

“It’s not easy to do,” Girardi said. “You see clubs that struggle with that. He’s done a good job the last two years doing that for us and he continues to make strides. He’s very important to us.”

• Here’s more from Phelps:

• Cano’s two-homer game was the 12th of his career and his second of the season. He’s never gone deep three times in a game and he struck out given the opportunity to do just that in the eighth against veteran lefty Darren Oliver.

• Cano took the AL lead in home runs briefly, although Toronto’s Edwin Encarnacion and Cleveland’s Mark Reynolds tied him when they hit No. 12 as well. Cano didn’t hit his 12th homer until June 17 last season.

• Cano took advantage of the short porch on his first homer. He was a little fooled, but said he kept his hands back and got enough to muscle the two-out changeup into the right-field seats off Brandon Morrow. Cano caught a better piece in the fifth when he sent another two-out pitch over the bullpen in right-center.

That time, Cano struck again with two outs and staked Phelps to a 5-1 lead. He also yet again underscored his importance to a lineup that continued to play without three of its four starting infielders and its starting catcher.

• Here’s more from Cano:

• Amid constant lineup shuffling, Cano has been the one, well, constant.

“I’m glad that’s not a moving part,” Girardi joked. “That’s been really nice.”

• Cano, who will be a free agent at season’s end, was asked if he tried to put on a show for Hal Steinbrenner, who was at the park for Photo Day.

“No,” Cano said, “I just go out there to win games.”

• Travis Hafner (shoulder) looked fit playing his first game since May 13. He went 1 for 4 with a home run. He also yanked another ball foul that traveled home run distance and made a hard out up the middle.

Hafner’s seventh home run came in just his 100th at-bat. He now has five home runs in 54 at-bats at Yankee Stadium.

“I think you could see there’s a difference,” Girardi said. “The last couple weeks he’s been playing with a little bit of a soreness and there didn’t seem to be the same whip. But it’s back.”

• Curtis Granderson went 0 for 4 making his first career start in right.

• The Yankees are now 18-0 when scoring first. They are not only the only team in baseball yet to lose when doing so, their 18-game streak is an American League record to start a season (per Elias). It’s their longest stretch at any point of the year since 2002, when they won 19 straight times when scoring first.

• If and when Reid Brignac plays, expect him to play shortstop for Jayson Nix and David Adams to remain in the lineup at third. Girardi basically said as much after the game.

“I envision moving him around,” Girardi said. “We envision him more as a shortstop than anything else, but he has the ability to play other places.”

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211 Responses to “Postgame notes: “He’s very important to us””

  1. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    “He continues to make strides”.

    That’s a wee bit understated isn’t it.

    Too funny.

    :)

  2. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Why not say, He’s been effin’ great and he’s gonna stay a SP ?

    I like that one a lot better.

    ;)

  3. luis May 18th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Hi guys,

    Stuck in an “first comunion” party… Just passing by to say that wow!.. Just watched until the 6th… Phelps is a MLB pitcher, it is a pleasure to watch, the way he adjusted from the early going.

    Anyway, have a good one…

    YF, I would really appreciate a breakdown on J Ram

  4. randy l. May 18th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    blake-

    the runner was out.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/1.....hotostream

    foot came off afterward as runners foot came in and knocked it off.

  5. KPB May 18th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    MTU

    Sorry to hear about family problems. Hope all goes well. Will send them within the next couple of days. I still have to put them on the the pc from phone. Some are really cool though.

  6. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Take care Luis.

    Photos are posted in the previous thread @ 4:13.

    Enjoy.

    :)

  7. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    I have a quarter on Oxbow against wife’s choice, Mylute. It’s only a mile and an 1/8th. Oxbow could actually win this thing.

  8. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    KPB-

    Thanks for the concern.

    I look forward to seeing them when you have the time.

    Good to see you around.

  9. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Good luck Mister Tom.

  10. blake May 18th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    blake says:
    May 18, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    “now is it possible montero lost where the plate was and simply didn’t leave his foot on it ? yes, but he had it on it when the ball was literally a few feet from hitting his mitt.”

    I watched it a couple of times and it looked like this to me…..hard to say for sure but I guess the point is that his lack of athletism may have cost them there

  11. randy l. May 18th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    “I watched it a couple of times and it looked like this to me…..hard to say for sure but I guess the point is that his lack of athletism may have cost them there”

    come on blake, that’s just plain unfair. the screen shot shows the foot was on the bag with what .001 second to go. the throw was down the first base line. the runners foot was hitting exactly where montero’s foot is in the screen shot.
    the umpire’s view is blocked by the runner as the runner hits the plate. bang . bang.

    i’m not blaming the ump. tough call. but the runner was out when that ball in .001 second hit montero’s mitt. when the foot hits in .009 seconds and knocks montero ‘s foot off he’s still out.
    it’s a force. montero just need to be touching the plate when he receives ball. he was as the screen shot shows.

    ump made the call based on where montero’s foot was after the play.
    but that doesn’t matter.
    he was OUT. :lol:

  12. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Won my quarter! Yanks win 94, so I get the chocolate, too.

  13. blake May 18th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    I haven’t seen it as close as you randy….you might be right

  14. jmills May 18th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Tom, the prize is mine, I’ve got 95 on Trish’s chart.

  15. ObviousMan May 18th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Randy when will the yankees collapse and all their coaches and scouts get fired?

  16. jmills May 18th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    You might be right,….. I might be crazy.

  17. blake May 18th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    jmills says:
    May 18, 2013 at 6:29 pm
    You might be right,….. I might be crazy.

    Or I just might be the lunatic your lookin for

  18. tucker May 18th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Phelps has more pitchability than Mr. Hughes. The kid really knows how to pitch, pinpoint control and the ability to mix speeds. When one of his weapons is not working, he has the ability to adjust.

  19. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Oxbow won with a fifty-year old jockey. Go, old farts! How’d you bet, Mick?

  20. agreene May 18th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    It’s early, but I’ll say it again, he reminds me of a young Mike Mussina

  21. Jerkface May 18th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Phelps has the look and demeanor of a young mike mussina and the fastball of a mid 30s mike mussina.

  22. Giuseppe Franco May 18th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    I haven’t been scared of the Jays since 1993.

    It seemed like each of the last 5-6 years the Jays have been a team that the writers and analysts tell us that are ready to take that next step.

    But they have continuously played well short of those expectations for one reason or another and this season is no different.

    People should wait until they actually do something to deserve the hype and respect.

  23. blake May 18th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    I like phelps but I’ll say again…. A young Mussina was in the big leagues throwing eras under 3 at 23 years old and threw 95 mph +.

  24. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Blake-

    The stuff really is not comparable.

    Perhaps other aspects are.

  25. blake May 18th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    An old Mussina was still pretty good though….Phelps can pitch and should stay in the rotation

  26. blake May 18th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    MTU,

    Yea I see what people are talking about….. Lets say Moose lite maybe ;)

  27. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    blake-

    ya’ think.

    ;)

  28. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Blake-

    We talked about this before.

    If things break right this season down on the Farm by next year we’ll be a very highly rated System.

    Pregnant with valuable players and also trade bait.

    :)

  29. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Blake-

    j-ram’s #’s at Trenton thus far :

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=542432

    Ridiculous.

    :)

  30. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Blake-

    Here’s DePaula’s :

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=606127

    :)

  31. Mark May 18th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    speaking of trades….

    “mick May 18th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    My plan of trading Nelson for himself as the PTBML has been foiled as the Angels have claimed him.”

    “mick May 18th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    PTBNL for the illiterates out there.”
    —————————————-

    Not illiterate, but I can get stuck being too literal.
    Therefore, your idea that Nelson would be PTBMaimedL seemed harsh. Glad it was a typo.

  32. CountryClub May 18th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    O’s gave up a 6 spot in the 9th.

  33. randy l. May 18th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    “Randy when will the yankees collapse and all their coaches and scouts get fired?”

    aha!!!

    we have found cashman :)

  34. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Randy,
    Were you Alcestes in another life?

  35. randy l. May 18th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    tomingeorgia-

    with how weak you are, you probably shouldn’t interact with me. the stress might be bad for your health.you mind your business and i’ll mind mine.

  36. Against All Odds May 18th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    MTU May 18th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    AAO-

    Indeed.

    Don’t want overripe fruit just falling to the ground.

    That would be a waste.

    ————

    Qft :)

  37. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Randy,
    Just asked a question, is all. You know who Alceste is?

  38. randy l. May 18th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    no idea.

  39. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Thought so.

  40. blake May 18th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    MTU,

    Yea both j Ram and Depaula are dominating

  41. tucker May 18th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    I’ll use another more recent comparison for Phelps:Ian Kennedy. Both depend on pinpoint control, throw low 90s, have a tight slider, rely on a running two-seam fastball and a change.

    If Phil had Phelps’ control, demeanor and ability to mix pitches, he would be dominant starter with his at-times explosive fastball.

  42. comnsnse May 18th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Luis @5:52, I too just came in from a first communion party and first saw the posts by Randy, Nick and Tar on a previous thread re: “Yankees vis a vis totalitarianism”!

    I posted a response on the previous thread and if the subject interests you and you have the time and inclination, please take a look and perhaps you too have a view.

  43. Benny Blanco May 18th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    blake May 18th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
    MTU,

    Yea both j Ram and Depaula are dominating.

    ==========

    Blake, I still have confidence in ManBan. young pitching is looking strong.

  44. joeman May 18th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    is Phelps a keeper ?

  45. joeman May 18th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    or is it to early to know what he is…

  46. blake May 18th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Yea I compared Phelps to IPK a couple of years ago after seeing him pitch a few time for Scranton …..he doesn’t have that plus CU like IPK but he’s got that bulldog demeanor and Phelps really has a feel for controlling bat speed…..he knows when to speed up and when to slow down….. And he doesn’t throw hardly anything straight.

    If Phelps had 2 or 3 more mph velocity it’d greatly affect his ceiling with the way he knows how to pitch

  47. blake May 18th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Blake, I still have confidence in ManBan. young pitching is looking strong.”

    Yea he’s still very young and I think he’s still got a lot of potential if he can get and stay healthy

  48. joeman May 18th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    can ManBan bring the NYY back a SS

  49. blake May 18th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    joeman says:
    May 18, 2013 at 8:49 pm
    can ManBan bring the NYY back a SS

    No… He’s not healthy yet

  50. joeman May 18th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    blake May 18th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
    joeman says:
    May 18, 2013 at 8:49 pm
    can ManBan bring the NYY back a SS

    No… He’s not healthy yet

    —————————
    K

  51. tucker May 18th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Phelps definitely has that competitive demeanor, and I agree he knows how to read a swing. He can be a decent mid-rotation starter with his stuff as is. If he had a mid-90s fastball, he’d have top of rotation stuff and makeup.

  52. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    How fast do you have to throw? Plenty of soft tossers have excelled. How fast was Whitey Ford’a best fast ball? If you can pitch to spots, you can win games.

  53. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Unfortunately some of our young OF prospects are not faring well thus far.

    Heathcott is doing very poorly.

    Mason had a DUI and reportedly may have attitude issues related to maturity.

    Flores is hitting around .260

    Austin has perked up recently.

    I was hoping for better results. Maybe as the season progresses ?

  54. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Mister Tom-

    Greg Maddux was not a hard thrower.

    I think he has around 330 career wins.

    All about movement, location, assortment, and deception.

  55. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Look at our 3 veterans.

    Not one of them brings it much more than 92/93 right now.

    And all are extremely successful because they know how to pitch.

    It’s not necessary to throw a ball through a brick wall.

    Although it is sexy to watch.

    ;)

  56. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Mister MTU,
    And friendly umpires. Robots would have killed him.

  57. joeman May 18th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Greg Maddux … Whitey Ford.. WOW

  58. joeman May 18th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Going to need to get a SS

  59. tucker May 18th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Greg Maddux is a rare beast in MLB. Probably the best command Over the past 30 years. A few MPH certainly helps miss bats for those without Maddux-like control, which is every MLB pitcher over the past 30 years except one.

  60. Tar May 18th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    “All about movement, location, assortment, and deception.”

    Pedro had all that and a wicked FB. Plus he was a fierce competitor.

    I guess a FB is not necessary, but it certainly doesn’t hurt either.

  61. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Earlier in the day there was a discussion about the edge “pitch framing” can give you.

    It seems to me that the Yankees had a great strategy w the up-the-middle advantage.

    I hope they don’t lose sight of it. It worked successfully for them for a very long time.

    It’s easy to see why when you look at the O output of most team’s C, ss, 2b, and CF.

    Rare to see Teams who are strong at all 4.

  62. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Tar-

    It might be neither a necessary nor sufficient condition to ensure success.

    Control is essential. Command even better.

    It is the whole package IMO.

    Picthing is way different than just throwing.

    Even guys w great stuff sometimes don’t figure that out.

  63. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Tar,
    95+ never hurt anybody. But there are plenty of pitchers who’ve done well without one.

  64. mick May 18th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    I’ll take Jimmy Key.

  65. mick May 18th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    25% of this team is young.
    I don’t know what Randy is talking about…

  66. mick May 18th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Wonder how Pat M did in his stickball tourney?

  67. mick May 18th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Ive got a picture with me and Whitey Ford and man he’s staring down the camera, even at 80 +, sure doesn’t take a FB to be a success.

  68. tomingeorgia May 18th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Mister mick,
    Jimmy Jey threw 95+ until he blew out his arm, then he learned how to pitch.

  69. joeman May 18th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    131-124

  70. ObviousMan May 18th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Tar said the yankees were a bad team coming into the season. Do they still suck, Tar?

  71. joeman May 18th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    ObviousMan May 18th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    Tar said the yankees were a bad team coming into the season. Do they still suck, Tar?

    ————————————–
    I said they were a 83 win team…..

  72. Tar May 18th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Cowardlyman

    My first guess was for 92 wins. I lowered it to 89 after some injuries.

    What was your guess… Oh wait

  73. joeman May 18th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    right now they have I believe the 3rd best record in BB…..

  74. Tar May 18th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Shumpert on fire

  75. blake May 18th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Maddux threw harder than Phelps when he was young…..and he had all time great command and all time great movement and pitchability. Velocity isn’t everything but it helps

  76. Against All Odds May 18th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    ObviousMan May 18th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    Tar said the yankees were a bad team coming into the season. Do they still suck, Tar?

    ———————————

    Why would he when they are winning games and playing well?

    Stone how is everything going?

  77. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Well, they’ll stone you and say that it’s the end
    Then they’ll stone you and then they’ll come back again…

  78. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQzCGdO9yJI

  79. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Detective Prufrock had another theory. Are we now discounting his skills?

  80. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Who? Chad said OM was our very own Stoney.

  81. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    I haven’t seen a lot of Pacers game; does Hibbert fall down after every shot or is it just tonight?

  82. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Did Chad say that? I thought he outed “Carly” as Stoneburner. Did he out OM as well?

  83. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    I believe Chad said they all had the same IP and email.

  84. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    If that is so then you have my apologies.

  85. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    MTU, Heathcott had a triple last night off of the mighty Gausman, and he’s raised his OPS .100 points from April to May. He’s looked pretty good lately, and usually drives one pitch well a game, when he isn’t slapping the ball and getting on with his speed. These kids are still making adjustments though, and are also playing in a pitcher’s park. Have to say too that the some of the pitchers that Trenton has faced have been nasty.

    Ramon’s been actually hitting at home, but not on the road. Not sure why, as I don’t see the road games. Austin has had some good AB’s lately, but think the home park has hurt his numbers so far. He seemed to have trouble with Gausman’s off speed last night, but the guy had ten K’s so…

    Pics were gorgeous, btw. Ethereal.

  86. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Melo passes up the open shot to pass to Smith? Who is this guy?

  87. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    YF-

    Thank you for the taking the time to give me an update.

    You have way more firsthand info. than most so it is much appreciated.

    It’s a long season so I guess we’ll judge it at the end.

    Glad you enjoyed the photos. The pleasure is all mine.

    It doesn’t get any better than there.

  88. Tar May 18th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Knicks can’t stop them. They better figure out something real quick.

  89. yankeefeminista May 18th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    MTU, my pleasure. Also I forget if you do or don’t have MiLB-TV, but if you do, you can watch both De Paula’s last game and Campos’ tonight, as they were both streamed from Greenville.

    Nick, I believe Chad did say that he was OM…

  90. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    This is not looking good at all. Melo making sloppy passes to nobody. Indy looks sharper and smarter.

  91. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    yankeefeminista, I don’t know either way but if so I don’t think it was when he outed some other characters. Perhaps your sources can fill you in. Either way OM’s a poophead.

    Can the Knicks at least cover the +6? :oops:

  92. MTU May 18th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Have a good evening.

    I’m out.

  93. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Ugh, Indy is playing Quiet Riot out of the timeout? Just for that they deserve to lose. What a travesty.

  94. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    :shock: :mad: :shock:

  95. mick May 18th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    Smith-gone.
    Novak-gone.
    Kidd-gone.

    Why was Camby on this team?

  96. mick May 18th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    The shot Melo passed on , Smith hit a 3.
    They had a their run led by Copeland and Shumpert but burnt out.
    Mercurial and unpredictable come to mind.
    Better luck next year.
    It’s all Yankee baseball now…

  97. bruceb May 18th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Mr. Potato Head = gone.

  98. mick May 18th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Woody?

  99. mick May 18th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    He leads the crying brigade.

  100. mick May 18th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    I can see Dolan giving him the axe, going after Doc Rivers.

  101. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    bruceb, I have pretty high hopes for Arsenal tomorrow. Arsenal v. Newcastle is one of my favorite fixtures.

    My question to you is, what if the Gunner win by a single goal and Chelsea draws? Then they would both finish level on points and goal differential, so what’s the next tie-break for 3rd place?

  102. bruceb May 18th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Awful coaching throughout the series. Played Smith and Kidd way too many minutes when they were both horribly out of touch.

  103. bruceb May 18th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Nick in SF

    This should answer your question.

    C.7: Subject to Rule C.14, if any 2 or more Clubs have scored the same number of points, have the same goal difference and have scored the same number of goals in League Matches in that Season they shall be deemed to occupy the same position in the table.

    C.14: If at the end of the Season either the League Champions or the Clubs to be relegated or the question of qualification for other competitions cannot be determined because 2 or more Clubs are equal on points, goal difference and goals scored, the Clubs concerned shall play off one or more deciding League Matches on neutral grounds, the format, timing and venue of which shall be determined by the Board

  104. bruceb May 18th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Basically, Tottenham have to win and hope that Arsenal don’t get three points at Newcastle.

    I think both will win.

  105. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Ah, so total goals scored is next. Chelsea is two ahead in that category. Makes the tie scenario much less likely, though still possible. A playoff at a neutral venue would be fun. Maybe they would play it in San Francisco.

  106. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    My next question is more one of opinion. I know I’m supposed to be rooting for Arsenal to win and finish in the top four and so I am. However I suspect they would have a slightly better chance of winning the UEFA than they would of winning the Champions League next season.

    So is the financial reward of being in the Champions League that much higher? Is that the real thing here, aside from the greater prestige? I want them back in the CL again because they’ll make that much more much so Mr. Wenger can buy better players?

  107. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    That much more money, I think it what I meant.

  108. bruceb May 18th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    No play-off I’m afraid Nick as both would qualify for the Champions League under that scenario.

  109. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    Both would qualify for the CL, but isn’t 3rd place an automatic qualification but 4th place means they have to go through the earlier qualifying rounds before making the field of 32?

  110. bruceb May 18th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Used to be three European competitions: European Cup, Cup Winners’ Cup and UEFA Cup. Only the League winners qualified for the European Cup. Now there are only two and the Europa League is very much the poor relation. Remember, Chelsea were knocked out of the Champions League early. That was the only reason they were in the Europa League.

  111. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    Yes, I’m aware that the 3rd place finisher in each of the CL groups then parachutes into the UEFA.

    But I guess my question is if the financial reward of making the Champions League is that much higher than of making the UEFA. I’m guessing it is?

  112. bruceb May 18th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    Nick, you’re more on the ball than I am tonight. You are correct when you say there would have to be a playoff.

    Arsenal and Chelsea will travel to Birmingham for the potential Premier League third-place play-off after Villa Park was confirmed as the venue – should one be required.
    The match to decide who will get the automatic place in the Champions League group stages will be held on Sunday May 26.

  113. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Aha! That’s good info. That would be pretty exciting but it’s pretty unlikely to happen.

  114. bruceb May 18th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    The answer to your other question is TV revenue. The Champions League is worth about four times as much as the Europa League to the clubs who qualify.

  115. Nick in SF May 18th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Better TV revenue from playing teams like Juventus, PSG, and Barcelona than from playing strange teams from the Ukraine, Poland, and Serbia?

    That kind of makes sense.

  116. Jesus Bustero May 19th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    I won powerball – $4

  117. Jerkface May 19th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    I dont think Chad has ever commented on ObviousMan, but he did comment on Carly. Which is why Carly quickly disappeared. Shame has mentioned wanting Chad to comment on it though :)

    Phelps is a cool pitcher. He has an awesome pickoff move, enough pitches overall to work through lineups even if none of them are ‘plus’, and a good demeanor which helps.

    The Yankees should work with him to long toss and exercise and try to get some extra mph on his fastball. Phelps at a more consistent 91-93 would be great.

  118. luis May 19th, 2013 at 2:35 am

    Good evening/ morning,

    Sorry for the off topic in advance…

    Comnsnse,

    Just got in, please excuse the late response, I hope you get to read it..

    Nick,

    While your point on Godwin’s Law is a good one… I don’t think Randy was equating the Yankees to a totalitarian regime… Just stating that ( in his view ) rooting for the team would equate to a frenchman rooting for the Vichy Government during WW2… Hyperbole? sure… But it is his way to try to ilustrate in a very clear way how he feels… I don’t think his intention was to debate if he was right or wrong, just the way he feels… You may agree with it or not… But in my view, it doesn’t disqualifies his opinion.

    Comnsnse,

    I agree that businesses have no “flag” ( loyalty ) other than “profits”… And if allowed, they can flourish on any type of political environment ( right or left )… I live in a country that has a totalitarian government. It’s a new type of totalitarian regime where constant elections are held to bring legitimacy and internationl recognition, but the electoral system is rigged and all powers are secuestered to ensure a result ( Govt keeping power )… Opposition is persecuted by the legal system, which is designed for targeted application ( not everybody is equal under the law )… Still, a business can survive even in this very harsh business atmosphere… That’s what we are trying to do here, so we are ready when the inevitable rebuilding of the country takes place.

  119. blake May 19th, 2013 at 6:37 am

    Mauer is hitting .351 with a .430 OBP…..so good

  120. yanks61 May 19th, 2013 at 6:53 am

    Good morning Blake – good morning Lohud.

    randy l. May 18th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    blake-

    the runner was out.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/1…..hotostream

    foot came off afterward as runners foot came in and knocked it off.

    ————————————————————————–

    His manager didn’t think so, Randi.

    “The throw beat him, but Monty came off the plate early,” Wedge said. “You have to stand on the plate. You have to, but he came out a little bit early. We got the ground ball we wanted – Ryno made a great play – but we didn’t get it done.”

    P.S. He also got himseld picked off second.

  121. pat May 19th, 2013 at 7:19 am

    1 Powerball winner and the ticket was purchased in the Tampa, FL area. Just shy of $600 million dollars. Maybe all the rehab guys kicked in a few bucks and started a lottery pool :wink:

  122. Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 7:24 am

    pat

    Wouldn’t that be funny!!!

  123. randy l. May 19th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    yanks61

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/1.....hotostream

    photos don’t lie.

    look at the foot. look at home plate.

    but since you’re pro management and a montero hater don’t bother. ignorance suits you better anyway.

  124. Frankg May 19th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    The reason why the Yankees have not released Francisco is that they plan to keep Overbay when Texeira returns. Francisco will be released when Tex returns. Brignac can play the outfield.

  125. randy l. May 19th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    for anyone else who’s interested in the play here’s the video

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?cid=mlb

    stop the video to see where the throw was . it was about 4-5 feet up the first base line because of the angle. you can tell that because of where montero was pointed after the play. shortstop threw from towards third base.

    also check the runners foot when it hit the plate. it was right on the front where montero’s foot was a split second earlier.

    if wedge came down on montero on this play , he didn’t take time to stop the video.
    to be continued.work to do.

  126. austinmac May 19th, 2013 at 7:44 am

    Brignac can’t hit for a SS. I can’t imagine him in the OF except in a dire emergency.

  127. yanks61 May 19th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Sorry you’re so bitter about this, Randi. I’m just repeating what his own manager said. Perhaps his pitcher and infielders confirmed it, I don’t know. In any event, it wasn’t exactly a vote of confidence from Wedge. Maybe he’ll look at the photos later and change his mind.

    In the meanwhile, to accuse anyone who doesn’t worship at the Altar of Jesus as a “hater” is a far greater sign of ignorance than someone who simply states a different view than your own. Just for the record, you, GB7 and I stayed up late one night (early morning for me) a few years ago discussing Montero and I was just as enthusisatic as any one about his potential at the time. He hasn’t done a whole hell of a lot to justify the enthusiasm up to now. Maybe he will one day. But your mindless defensiveness about him now is an indication of your own ill-disguised fear that you may have been (once again) wrong about something – how are the Twins doing in developing young pitchers, Randi?

    Randi, you used to be fun, even if I didn’t always agree with you. Now, you’re just becoming a bitter old man hiding behind a very thin facade of good humor. And frankly, I think that a lot of positions you take up are purely and simply a somewhat perverted effort to get a rise out of people. It reminds me of an old guy I once knew who drove really slow in the left lane, cackling at folks who got upset because they couldn’t pass him. In other words, you get your jollies by attempting to aggravate other folks. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.

    Anyway, you’ve been called out and schooled by all kinds of people here. And when that happens, your usual retort is to change the subject with some lame effort at humor (MG did it pretty convincingly the other day, Nick in SF and Jerkface do it routinely. So my infrequent visits to the blog don’t require me to waste more time with your usual tomfoolery.) In fact, I usually only know of your opinions (and those of a few other highly, opinionated, clearly biased posters) by the responses I read to those opinions from others. There’s no point in wasting time with a few pseudo-intellectual misfits (that obviously doesn’t apply to you, however) who have the emotional intelligence of a thirteen year old. Good day, sir.

  128. blake May 19th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Randy,
    I don’t think either of those are conclusive….the freeze frame can be misleading because it happens so fast that his foot had time to come off and when you watch it live it looks like he came off. I haven’t seen a view yet that’s conclusive to say whether he was out or safe…..I think the overall point though was that Montero needs to hit to stay in the big leagues…..his defense you can live with if he’s hitting….not so much if he’s not

  129. Tar May 19th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Good Morning

    Hey Luis good post

    On the Montero play. I think the runner was out, but because of the angle we cant see if Montero bobbled the ball at all.

    It was on of those hops that are right in the middle of no mans land of “should I backhand it or not”.

    Montero choose not to, but in the process of leaning and stretching his glove hand across his body, then making sure the ball stayed in his glove, I believe that brought his glove down and his foot off the plate. I think all that happened after the fact. The ump was screened by the runner, so he had no chance to make an accurate call.

    Regardless of any of that, it was not as easy of a play as it looked, and by no means should he have been called out by his Manager.

  130. blake May 19th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    @WheresKernan: Ever wonder what Brian Cashman tells #Yankees minor leaguers, he’s honest: My Job is to find somebody better than you http://t.co/JLihQ60sSE

  131. blake May 19th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    On that play with the game on the line you have to hold your foot there on the plate…..so technically even if he was out you gotta hold it longer to be sure the call goes your way. In live time it looks like he came off early…..it’s hard to tell to be honest….I haven’t seen a shot yet with a better view than the Ump had

  132. Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    I just watched the video.

    The throw was not great, but considering the position from which it was thrown it wasn’t godawful.

    In real time his foot was off the plate by a lot and it didn’t look close.

    That being said, it feels wrong to keep dissecting this kid under a microscope.

  133. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Blake-

    And the MiLB player’s job is to make it impossible for Cashman to ignore them.

    In a time of restricted budgets comments like those seem out of place.

    ;)

  134. Tar May 19th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Blake

    I can freeze the picture with Montero’s foot still on the plate (I think :D ) , no sight of the ball and the runners foot not yet touching the plate.

    He probably should have back-handed it. You can only twist and stretch your arm so far. It was that process that I think pulled him off the plate.

    Still not as easy a play as it first appears.

  135. blake May 19th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    MTu,

    That’s pretty much what Cash said in the article….that there job is to keep him from finding somebody better.

  136. MG May 19th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    I looked at the video and it is inconclusive whether he was on or off the base from that angle.

    What is conclusive is that he received the throw with his left foot on the base instead of his right foot. That made it impossible for him to reach out and receive the throw. If I learned that in little league why does a major leaguer not know it?

    His manager, who is a combative guy, not only didn’t argue the call he made comments about the catcher not doing his job, that says it all for me.

    I don’t really give a crap about this guy, he isn’t going to be a big league catcher because he can’t throw out anyone, but the level of discussion over a former Yankee prospect has reached the point of not only ridiculousness but stupidity. The Yankees have overcome more injuries than I’ve ever seen in my long life to be in 1st place after 1/4 of the season and that gets overwhelmed, at times, by this.

  137. Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Why do they seem out of place, MTU?

    This is a two way street. The player has to do his part.

    Did you read the whole article and see the entirety of what Cashman says to them?

    There’s also a quote by Phelps praising the Yankees coaching through the system that got him to this point.

  138. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Thanks for the clarification Blake.

    He needs some of those MiLB players to pan out if he is to meet Hal’s goal of 189.

  139. blake May 19th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Yea he did block himself off by using his left foot…..the bottom line is he needs to hit have much value given that he really doesn’t bring much else to the table…..you could live with his defense if he was hitting. I still think he will hit at some point but it
    May have to be with another club

  140. MG May 19th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    I couldn’t agree more with Cashman, he is completely on the money with what he tells their prospects. Here is the entire part of that article:

    When he was picked in that 14th round of the 2008 draft, did Phelps ever envision a day like yesterday?

    “I didn’t worry about where I was picked because my sophomore year at Notre Dame was outstanding, and my junior year I didn’t pitch as well so I knew I was capable of getting guys out,’’ Phelps said. “And I was fortunate enough to get in with the Yankees and a lot of great minds and great coaches really helped me. I thank God every day that I’m part of this organization.’’

    When Cashman meets with those minor leaguers, this is what he tells them: “My job is find someone better than you, so make sure you don’t let me do that. It’s not about me messing with you, it’s about you understanding the situation. You could be an All-Star in your league but my job is to find someone better than you.

    “Make sure,’’ Cashman adds, “you take advantage of every opportunity, work your butt off, do everything you can to stay healthy and that is going to prevent me from finding someone better.

  141. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Doreen-

    I did not. I saw the comment out of context.

    Blake clarified it for me.

    As long as our GM understands that to meet 189 he is gonna need a bunch of those youngsters to pan out.

    He should be pulling hard for them. I hope that’s where he is.

    ;)

  142. yanks61 May 19th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Oh, just one more thing – from the Seattle Times:

    With the bases loaded and none out, Brendan Ryan made a diving snag of a Mark Reynolds grounder and an off-balance throw home. But catcher Jesus Montero took his foot off the plate in trying to reach for the ball before the runner got there, allowing the decisive run to score.

    “It was unbelievable because Brendan caught the ball with a diving catch,” Montero said. “It was unbelievable, first of all. Second, I tried to touch the plate, but the throw was so far. I tried hard, but (the runner) hit home plate. What can I say?”

    Montero isn’t the most athletic of catchers and doesn’t get to practice stretching out for throws like a first baseman would all that often.

    “That’s the reason right there,” he said. “We usually block the plate. But in that moment, I was thinking ‘Just touch the plate and catch the ball.’ But the ball was a little far.”

    It would SEEM that Montero himself agrees that he didn’t have his foot on the plate. But don’t let that get in your way of your own special view of things, Randi.
    -
    ————————————————————————–

    Doreen, I couldn’t agree with you more. You’re one of the real delights in reading this blog for your calm, even handed view of things. However Blake made a comment last night about Montero costing the M’s the game yesterday and Randi immediately pounced with his usual over the top attempt of making a case for Jesus. Fine, but when in defense of Blake’s comment I point out that Montero’s own manager blamed him (correctly or not), Randi launches into a brief nuclear attack on the messenger who brought the bad news that Randi the Magnificent is apparently wrong.

  143. austinmac May 19th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Why do we as Yankee fans care about that play? I know I don’t.

  144. MG May 19th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    blake May 19th, 2013 at 8:32 am
    Yea he did block himself off by using his left foot….
    ————-
    the runner would have been out by a full step if he made that shift and reached out, he had plenty of time to get set for the throw.

  145. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Doreen-

    That’s interesting about Phelps considering they treated him like a yo-yo.

    I doubt very much he would be honest about what he really might think anyway.

    I’m glad he’s happy. He’s earned a spot in spite of the Yankees not because of them as far as I’m concerned.

    But hey, that’s just my take. I’m not trying to convince anyone. Everyone is free to think as they wish.

  146. blake May 19th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    austinmac says:
    May 19, 2013 at 8:35 am
    Why do we as Yankee fans care about that play? I know I don’t.

    I don’t really….I just commented on it last night in passing and it devolved from there :)

  147. MG May 19th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    MTU May 19th, 2013 at 8:33 am
    Doreen-

    I did not. I saw the comment out of context.

    Blake clarified it for me.

    As long as our GM understands that to meet 189 he is gonna need a bunch of those youngsters to pan out.

    He should be pulling hard for them. I hope that’s where he is.
    ————-
    MTU, Cashman has to tell these kids that because all of them are drafted or signed because they were stars wherever they played prior to being signed.

    Now they become pros and everyone is at least as good (and some are much better) than they are.

    No prospect that is signed is good enough to play at the major league level, they have to get much, much better and it gets tougher and tougher as they move up through the system.

    That’s what many fans don’t understand-they see a kid at A or AA and project that he will continue to excel at the major league level. It doesn’t work like that, they have to not only get much better but have to adjust mentally as well, that’s why so many prospects struggle or wash out in the majors.

  148. RadioKev May 19th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Admittedly I haven’t watched most of his games so far, but I’m pretty pessimistic about Granderson right now. I don’t like what he’s doing with his hands… seems like it’s slowed down his swing. Maybe I’m just crazy.

  149. Tar May 19th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    “Why do they seem out of place, MTU?”

    He’s just trying to motivate I get that, but in the process he comes across as an arrogant jerk.

    His form of motivation( and we have plenty of examples ) seems to always touch on the negative aspect of things. Is that kind of stuff good for morale? If he’s talking to and trying to motivate his minor leaguer’s maybe he should just leave himself and his job description out of it. I’m sure he can find a way to motivate and not be a jerk. Since I heard he reads blogs—-It’s not all about you Brian.

  150. blake May 19th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Randy is one of my favorite posters actually and somebody I think Id enjoy talking to in real life…..about a variety of things…..not that I always think he’s right…..we’d probably disagree a fair amount but I just think he’s interesting.

  151. yanks61 May 19th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Finally, there’ this from the Seattle Times Mariner’s blog. And this is just from the first page (about 20 posts):

    This play aside, does this organization seriously think Montero will ever become a decent baserunner or catcher?

    I mean really?

    ——————————————————————

    Losses like this are tough both because of the outcome and because it reminds us guys like Montero just aren’t getting it.

    Well we can play the “nice game/almost, lets get ‘em tomorrow” mantra all we want.

    But the things that held us back are things that have haunted us ALL YEAR and will continue to do so until changes are made:

    -Montero’s baserunning and defense (obviously)

    ————————————————————————–

    Montero is costing us games. He needs to go down to Tacoma and work on his bat. He shouldn’t be catching anymore.

    —————————————————————————-

    I’d be happy if I never saw Montero in the starting lineup ever again.

    ————————————————————————-

    Montero needs to know that if his foot is not on the plate it’s useless. needed to play that like a first baseman, not a catcher. i’d rather he miss it because he’s trying to stretch. I am really sick of the m’s being the only people in all of baseball that think Montero is a catcher. he is not.

    http://community.seattletimes......e_id=16102

    ———————————————————————-

    So are all these M’s fans Montero “haters?” People are haters because they take a realistic view of how someone is playing? Only in Randi’s bizarro world.

  152. austinmac May 19th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    I like Randy, but I do wish he would find other topics. Time will tell on Montero. Can’t we all wait?

    Pineda means more to me know, but I will be quite surprised if he returns with the same velocity he had before. Heck, I prefer Randy’s CU discussion to Montero talk.

  153. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    MG-

    Cashman can tell his MiLB anything he wants just so long as he realizes how important they are to the stated goals of his owner.

    I assume he is huge supporter of the Farm since he was instrumental in putting a renewed emphasis
    on it.

    If he is merely letting them know how difficult it is to make it to the ML I cannot argue with that.

    It is. The odds are stacked against MiLB players. Especially ones in the Yankees system with the standards that are set.

    I cannot think of 1 MiLB player that the Yankees consider absolutely untouchable right now.

    I’d like to see it get to where they see at least 1 or 2 of them as that good.

    ;)

  154. austinmac May 19th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    “Maybe I’m just crazy.”

    Kev, I believe we are all a little crazy spending inordinate amount of time on this blog. No wonder I feel comfortable here. :)

  155. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Tar-

    That’s kind of what I’m saying. Not quite but similar.

    ;)

  156. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    And now it is time for the most important meal of the day.

    Especially since today is a hike day.

    ;)

  157. yankee21 May 19th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    RadioKev,

    Grandy looks a little robotic to me right now at the plate. I do not see that coiled up swing he featured most of 2011 which generated terrific bat speed through the zone.

    However, I’ll give him some slack since he is still getting re-acclimated to ML pitching.

    We’ll see how it shakes out.

  158. Tar May 19th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    “That’s kind of what I’m saying. Not quite but similar.”

    I know, I’m not as nice as you. :D

  159. MG May 19th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    MTU, I’m not a huge fan of Cashman but if I am the GM I tell them exactly the same thing.

    Do you think Branch Rickey would have phrased it any differently?

  160. austinmac May 19th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    MTU,

    I agree with your earlier comment the Yankee bog OF prospects are struggling, particularly Williams. Guys in A ball, as they all were last year, have so many hurdles to clear. The biggest one is pitchers who can throw a number of pitches for strikes.

    Your main man Phelps is doing well. You get an official gold star for being right. Place it with your other awards.

  161. blake May 19th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    “Your main man Phelps is doing well. You get an official gold star for being right. Place it with your other awards.”

    He is building a trophy room out in UtH as we speak

  162. yankee21 May 19th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Just a question though does Cashman talk tough to ML fringe players too such as Nix, Stewart etc. letting them know his job is to find someone better than them too.. or just to the miL guys?

  163. Tar May 19th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    “Do you think Branch Rickey would have phrased it any differently?”

    No clue, I’m not that old :wink: .

    Everyone of the Yankee minor leaguers knows how hard it is to succeed. Did they really need their GM telling them about “his job”.

    I’m a believer in positive motivation, I think it’s obvious Cashman is a negative motivator type of guy. That seems to be one of my issues with him.

  164. MG May 19th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Tar, haven’t we read this year that both Mason Williams and Gary Sanchez may have some ‘attitude’ problems?

    Attitude problems relate mostly to players who don’t think they have to work hard to succeed in baseball.

    You don’t like Cashman and I’m not a big fan but what’s wrong with being tough on these kids, they’ve been mostly coddled their whole lives in sports because they’ve been so good and continuing that won’t make them big leaguers.

  165. yanks61 May 19th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    And now, before going, I do apologize to everyone else here for wasting your time with this whole discussion. MG is quite right; the Yanks are playing incredible baseball and we shouldn’t be talking about a non-Yankee. I only brought it up, in what I thought was a casual manner, to support Blake’s point last night, after Randi had gone to great lenghts to dispute the play. My following comments were a silly over-reaction to Randi’s accusation of ignorance and pandering to the front office because I or anyone else doesn’t agree with him about something.

    Again, I apologize to the rest of you. My fault, it wasn’t called for. Leaving Randi to his own bitter beliefs is a far wiser course. I freely admit that I’m no baseball scholar. I come here for the education and entertainment one gets from many great discussions about a team I’ve followed, like many of us, through thick and thin since at least 1953. Typically, I choose to read those I’ve come to think of as having a balanced view on baseball matters. That means the vast majority of you. To all those then, I thank you for the pleasure of reading your comments.

  166. Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I disagree that they treated Phelps like a yo yo. He was good enough for a place on the tean, but all five starting roles were taken. He made the team as a long man and spot starter. This is a good thing.

    In addition he was able to do both roles successfully, which has built his stock with he Yankees. And now, because of an injury to Nova he is getting a chance to dig in his feet as a starter. He is making it very difficult for he Yankees going forward.

    But being treated lie a yoyo connotes that they are abusing him in some way. Also, in spite of using him as a long man, the Yankees are quite vocal that they see him as a starter long term.

  167. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    MG-

    Times have changed since the Rickey days.

    ;)

    I’m sort of w Tar on this one.

    You can get a point across in a variety of ways.

    Science has shown IMO that reward is more effective than punishment.

    I prefer the positive approach.

    Each to their own though.

    Tar-

    I think you are very nice person.

    You can’t fool me.

    ;)

    Mac/Blake-

    Thanks for the support.

    Just remember that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    :)

  168. blake May 19th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Phelps was never a premium prospect so I don’t have a problem with them making him force their hand and him earning his stripes…..what I will have an issue with is if not that he’s gotten his chance and done something with it if they don’t leave him in the rotation ……he’s earned it the hard way and deserves a fair amount of rope

  169. Cashmoney May 19th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I remember Sano being ranked a tad higher than Sanchez when both were drafted. I think he is a big guy who weren’t profiled as SS in the ML, he has unusual physique for a teenage, basically a man in a boy’s body. This kid could be a beast in two years for Minnie.

  170. Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Why do people seem to think the Yankees are supposed to hand these jobs out, and that the players themselves have to do nothing but show up? I exaggerate somewhat, but that’s the impression I’m getting.

    Why is Cashman a jerk for telling these kids how it really is?

    The Yankees and every team provide the outline for these kids to build a career for themselves. They provide facilities and coaching. It is up to the kids to do the hard work. Some will make it, some won’t. The competition is fierce and never ends and it s arguably tougher in New York.

    Plus, I have almost NEVER heard a guy say he’d rather play in he minors than spend 99% of his time on the bench in the majors. Boesch is the only guy I’ve heard say this, as a matter of fact.

    Moreover, teams exist to make money at the end of the day.

  171. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Doreen-

    “But being treated lie a yoyo connotes that they are abusing him in some way”

    As always you are entitled to your opinion.

    I just happen to have a different one.

    I am not saying they abused Phelps. That is too strong of a term.

    I’d say they treated him a fashion that I thought was less than optimum for the value I think he represented.

    As you may be able to guess I am not a big fan of the way the yankees have developed Pitchers, at least up till now.

    I look to teams who are extremely successful as potential models.

    Teams like Tampa, etc.

    They have produced a a pretty steady stream of successful young arms.

    And my point is they do not yo-yo guys.

    They keep them in assigned roles unless and until they fail at it.

    And they are more patient in general.

    This next wave of young arms will tell me more about how the process is or is not working.

    I’m happy with LR and Patterson. they are pros. And were sorely needed IMO.

  172. Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Saw “42″ last night.

    I NEVER want to hear about any other player and the pressure they are under or the difficulties they have in adjusting.

    The movie brought this home in a new way for me.

  173. MG May 19th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    MTU, I have an MBA in Management and have successfully managed hundreds of people in my career using mostly positive reinforcement but don’t have a problem with the top guy in the organization challenging anyone to excel.

    The Yankees have plenty of middle managers (minor league coaches and managers plus roving instructors) to be the ‘good guys’. I also think these brief comments from Cashman are somewhat out of context for the sake of the newspaper article as well.

    Enjoy your hike, I’m out for my 4 mile walk on flat ground…

  174. GregD May 19th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    I think it’s a good time to be a Yankee fan……I am concerned about all the money we have tied up but I love more and more young players being added to the mix…..perhaps next year we will have 3 outfielders knocking on the door

  175. GregD May 19th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 9:20 am
    Saw “42? last night.

    I NEVER want to hear about any other player and the pressure they are under or the difficulties they have in adjusting.

    The movie brought this home in a new way for me.
    ———–
    Agree

  176. MG May 19th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 9:20 am
    Saw “42? last night.

    I NEVER want to hear about any other player and the pressure they are under or the difficulties they have in adjusting.

    The movie brought this home in a new way for me.
    ===============
    it’s amazing what Jackie went through back then, isn’t it?

  177. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    MG-

    I respect your background and experience. I’m not going into mine but I think you would be equally impressed.

    I don’t think we really disagree all that much. Just on the shading.

    Enjoy your walk.

    I know I’m gonna enjoy mine.

    :)

  178. Tar May 19th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    “You don’t like Cashman and I’m not a big fan but what’s wrong with being tough on these kids, they’ve been mostly coddled their whole lives in sports because they’ve been so good and continuing that won’t make them big leaguers.”

    MG

    I’m not saying I’m right and he’s wrong. I’ve been labeled “negative” and a” “hater” mainly because because of my belief that Cashman comes across as an arrogant jerk. He talks to his fans and his players in an unnecessary way IMO . If he was the GM of the Sox I would love that kind of thing. But he’s not and it’s just not my cup of tea.

    This all started when he consolidated his power BTW. Before hand i never remember having any negative feelings towards him.

    And i’m not sure these players have been “coddled”. I think many of them have worked long and hard an know exactly that their chance of making it are slim to none. No need for the boss to slap that home.

    One last thing i think Cashman is a big “make-up” kind of guy. I also believe that is why Montero is gone. On the subject of make-up I have to defer, because I have no knowledge of the players involved.

    Have to run

    have a nice day everyone.

  179. Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    MG

    You can’t even intelligently discuss what he went through.

    On some level, after reading about him and hearing about him, you know he withstood more than anyone should. But there was something about seeing a slice of a re-enactment of sorts that made it even more tangible.

  180. Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Tar, there are times when Cashman makes me cringe, but this was not one of those times.

  181. Jesus Bustero May 19th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Pace O Meter = 101 wins

  182. Tar May 19th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Doreen

    I agree this was not cringe worthy, but is that how we should be judging him is it?

    Like I said I would prefer more positive, less jerk from our GM.

    Anyway really have to run.

  183. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    And I’m w Tar on that point too.

    Cashman’s new found candor does not appeal to me.

    Each to their own I guess.

    ;)

  184. Jesus Bustero May 19th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    At this point Phelps’ spot in the rotation should not be tampered with. I say leave Nova in AAA. If Pineda returns and Nova shows improvement then trade Hughes but don’t demote Phelps to the bullpen.

  185. Jesus Bustero May 19th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Also consider Nuno and Warren. There is no place to put these guys. But it’s a good problem to have unless you’re Phelps and the spot you’ve rightfully earned has been stripped from you. It shouldn’t be.

  186. GregD May 19th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I think Phelps can solidify his spot in the rotation if he keeps pitching well

  187. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Blake-

    Does it surprise you at all that the Yankees did not consider Phelps a significant prospect ?

    Do you think that says anything about their self-scouting ?

    They had plenty of time to have a long hard look at him throughout the Minors.

    He did not just suddenly blossom. His numbers, stuff, etc. were there for all to see in the Minors.

    He actually has been very consistent.

    ;)

  188. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    In the movie 42, did you notice how the ballpark backgrounds looked accurate and realistic? The author, Eric Pastore, of “500 Ballparks,” was used as a consultant and pored over as many images as they could fine, using CGI, to create images of how these parks looked in 1947.

  189. mick May 19th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    So you are saying the Yanks couldn’t eff Phelps up if they tried to and they tried real hard?

  190. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Buster-

    If the Yankees are not going to try to maximize the value of the guys they have in their system then they should be traded for other things of value.

    ;)

  191. Crawdaddy May 19th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Cashman’s job is not to appeal to Yankee fans as a nice guy. His job is making sure the Yankee organization is one of the best in MLB and that they continue to be a WS contender on a yearly basis.

  192. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Mick-

    I don’t think it was intentional. And yes, I think Phelps succeeded in spite of the way he was used.

    I think their philosophy is that the BP to Rotation is an effective way to develop Pitchers.

    They are not the only Team that would hold to that POV.

    I just don’t agree that that is the best possible way.

    JMO.

  193. MTU May 19th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Later. got to start getting ready for today’s hike.

  194. Doreen May 19th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Yankee Trader

    Yeah, it was really great. Especially the Ebbets Field from outside. I didn’t know how they did it.

    Those old uniforms looked so uncomfortable!!!

  195. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I agree on Nova. He needs to go back to the minors and work on his pitch location.

    Nuno, I believe is taking Andy’s spot in the rotation.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Mustelier, who played LF last night, or Neal, replaces Francisco on the roster.

    Liked the signing of lefty bat Reid Brignac to replace Gonzalez. He had decent power numbers in 2010 with the Rays:

    His 2010 splits:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....id-brignac

    What was the LoHud consensus on Brignac?

  196. Crawdaddy May 19th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    One more thing about Cashman, he needs to do better with the farm system and to minimize his GM mistakes. He’s not the best GM in baseball, but he’s a competent one. With that said, there are certain posters on this board that will take issue with anything Cashman says for public consumption. They simply don’t like the man which is their right and choice to do so. However, in the end, it doesn’t matter what the fanbase thinks of their GM as winning solves most personality conflicts since fans care more about winning above all else.

  197. DONNYBROOK May 19th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Phelps did Not Chuck a “masterpiece” yesterday, but he Did pitch Smart. All day long he pitched around Bautista and Encarnacion, and that is why he lasted 7 innings and got the W.
    I have Not watched Brignac the past couple seasons, but when he first came up, I felt his bat was superior to his glove. Cashman is preaching just the opposite, meaning Brignac’s bat must have gone so far South, that his fielding Now looks better in comparison. We will see, but from what I recall, this guy ain’t No Phil Linz defensively.

  198. Hassey May 19th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Raise your hand if you bought Google glasses just so you could read and post on this site literally all day, even in the can?

  199. Yankee Trader May 19th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    MTU-

    Looking like the Braves will need bullpen help, now that lefties O’Flaherty and Venters both need TJ.

    Chamberlain for Upton- Justin, not BJ. His brother is getting booed constantly at home. Small sample size, but he was one of the worst offseason FA signings.

    Just joking! :)

  200. RadioKev May 19th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    “Grandy looks a little robotic to me right now at the plate. I do not see that coiled up swing he featured most of 2011 which generated terrific bat speed through the zone.

    However, I’ll give him some slack since he is still getting re-acclimated to ML pitching.

    We’ll see how it shakes out.”

    I absolutely agree. I really think the strikeouts are in his head at this point. They were at the end of last season, and I’m afraid it’s going to carry over through this season. He’s just got to accept them, I think.

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    yanks61-

    if you can’t see a photo and use some intelligence , i can’t help you.

    here it is again :

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/1.....hotostream

    try describing out loud to yourself what you see.

    notice the part when you say” montero’s foot is on the plate.”

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