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Nuno: “Got to forget about it”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 22, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Vidal NunoWhen Vidal Nuno made that spot start in Cleveland, everyone from Austin Romine to Joe Girardi seemed impressed by his poise. Nuno seemed unfazed by the situation. He wasn’t overwhelmed to be in a big league clubhouse, on a big league field or facing a big league lineup.

Trust be told, the same thing could have been said last night.

“One pitch, and it cost us the game,” Nuno said. “But got to forget about it, work hard tomorrow, and get ready for my next outing. … You learn from it. Next time, I’ve got to work hard. Keep working is what I’ve got to do, and tomorrow’s a different day.”

Tied game in the 10th inning couldn’t have been the easiest situation for a guy’s third big league appearance, especially when he’s a starter — used to being on a regular schedule — and he hadn’t pitched in more than a week. But after giving up the walk-off homer that provided both his first big league loss and his first big league run, Nuno’s personality was the same as always in the clubhouse. He saw a group of reporters coming toward his locker, he stood up and spoke calmly about what just happened.

“It’s not difficult (taking so much time between outings),” he said. “It’s just work. I’ve been working hard, and it’s just being in competition, facing hitters, getting in a rhythm. But it’s just, he just took advantage of a bad pitch. He went up on it, and they got a victory.”

Pretty cut and dry. Nothing overwhelming, just the fact of the matter. It remains to be seen how Nuno responds on the field, but in the clubhouse, he acted like he’d been there before and would have a chance to be better next time.

“He’s a great pitcher,” Dave Robertson said. “He’s been starting a lot at Triple-A, I think. In a situation like that, he’s going to come in and throw his best stuff. He left one pitch up, it looked like. It hung for just a second, just long enough for him to get a good swing on it and put it in the seats. I’ve had it happen to me too. It stinks whenever you make a mistake like that and lose a ballgame because no one wants to be the guy that loses a ballgame.”

Don’t forget: Chat today at noon. I would have done it on the off day, but I’m flying to Tampa in the late morning/early afternoon, so I figured we’d do one before the Yankees get out of town. Hope you can stop by for a while.

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125 Responses to “Nuno: “Got to forget about it””

  1. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:01 am

    FanGraphs Baseball ?@fangraphs 1m
    FanGraphs: Is Jose Ramirez a Starter or Reliever? http://bit.ly/12ujI6t

    annoys me that this question is even being asked right now

  2. NYYROC May 22nd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    REPOST
    NYYROC May 22nd, 2013 at 9:02 am
    YT, I agree. I think PH is bound for Cali. There are 5 teams there and I think they’d all have some interest in him. His tweets often mention his family, he seems close to them. Maybe he’d rather be close to them so he could see them more. Bigger parks would make him more effective…meaning his next contract could be even more lucrative. Plus I think he’ll always be seen as a failure to some degree by many fans and the FO because he never lived up to the hype. I think he knows that. If he went elsewhere he wouldn’t carry that baggage with him anymore, It is the classic “change scenery” move.

  3. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    I just don’t think J Ram’s delivery has all that much effort…..it seems people are split on that but just watching on TV it looks like pretty easy cheese to me.

  4. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    I’m lovin’ the fire Doreen is bringing to the table this morning!!

    C’mon Doreen.. come over to the dark side. Team Greedy welcomes you!

    blake – It’s frustrating because there’s really no reason that question should even be coming up at this point. If our pen was in shambles I could see a team making a rash decision, but we have a strong pen AND a strong rotation. Let the kid continue doing what he’s doing.

  5. MTU May 22nd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Nuno is a soft tosser.

    Needs to be sharp as a tack to be effective.

    Needs regular work to achieve that.

  6. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 9:05 am

    It was a tough loss last night but the O’s were due.. hopefully we take the series tonight and then there’d be no need for any frustration.

    Off day tomorrow. Leave it all out on the field tonight.

  7. MaineYankee May 22nd, 2013 at 9:06 am

    MTU

    I still think Hal is a seller at some point.

    ———————————————————————

    I see this mentioned frequently here, but the thing that seems to be overlooked is that it’s not just up to Hal.

  8. Yankee Trader May 22nd, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Have to go.

    Thanks for all the feedback.

    Until later.

    A nice blowout win would be nice tonight with contributions from everyone! :)

  9. joecembrale May 22nd, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Phil Hughes against NL Lineups, pitching in some big ball parks with a lot of foul ground makes a lot of sense. Just look at Ian Kennedy.

  10. MTU May 22nd, 2013 at 9:08 am

    MY-

    Then let me rehprase it.

    I see Hal wanting out of his portion of the buisness.

  11. MTU May 22nd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Hughes is going to go where the money is.

  12. joecembrale May 22nd, 2013 at 9:10 am

    A win tonight is a must. This weekend will be spent in the new Yankee house of horrors in Tampa.

  13. randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 9:12 am

    “But I don’t think Hal should be using this season to prove his point.”

    doreen , it would be like alan greenspan saying in 2005 that the successful economy was a byproduct of his housing policies. the economy was doing great, but not for the reasons he thought. and the success drove the country further down a road we are still recovering from.

    adams is a nice looking young player, but he’s 26. phelps is 26. sometimes the “proof” used for short term success doesn’t predict future success.

    my position rooting for sudden implosion is because i do not want to see a decade long “recession” caused by fundamentally bad policies at the top with hal and levine.

  14. MTU May 22nd, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Very few individual games are a must win.

    Tonight is certainly not one of them IMO.

  15. joecembrale May 22nd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    MTU May 22nd, 2013 at 9:12 am
    Very few individual games are a must win.

    Tonight is certainly not one of them IMO.

    Just from the standpoint of letting things snowball. A loss tonight could become 4 out of 5 in a hurry the way thikngs go in Tampa.

  16. randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    mtu-

    there are no must lose games either, but i like it better when they lose :)

    the yankees have a win cushion that makes no must win games for now.

  17. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 9:17 am

    adams is a nice looking young player, but he’s 26. phelps is 26. sometimes the “proof” used for short term success doesn’t predict future success.

    ———————-

    Nunez, too, is older than your typical rookie player at 25.

    Romine is 24, but that’s not as surprising given his position.

    I hope they don’t wait on guys like Austin and Murphy.. push them.

  18. LGY May 22nd, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Nothing here on the Yankees establishing an MLS team in NYC?

  19. MTU May 22nd, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Joe-

    That could happen now, or it could happen later.

    It’s not going to be the end of the world.

    Losing and winning streaks are to be expected.

    It’s pretty amazing we are we are.

  20. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 9:19 am

    randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    mtu-

    there are no must lose games either, but i like it better when they lose :)

    the yankees have a win cushion that makes no must win games for now.

    ——————

    I take a somewhat different approach, randy, though I’m sure you know how unique yours is by now. :) I’m pleasantly surprised at how they’ve performed and certainly hope they can keep it up…. but theoretically we had a better club last year and that’s the one that blew a 10 game lead down the stretch. No lead is too big. Pad that sh*t, boys!!!!!

  21. joecembrale May 22nd, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Amazing is a word for it.

  22. NYYROC May 22nd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Very sss but Adams looks good at plate and at 3B.

  23. MTU May 22nd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    edit: where we are. duh.

    :(

  24. MTU May 22nd, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Joe-

    Indeed.

    maybe even “miraculous”.

    ;)

  25. MTU May 22nd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Randy-

    Sometimes I guess you need to be cruel to be kind.

    Got to go. Hike day.

    See ya’ later.

    :)

  26. joecembrale May 22nd, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I like miraculous even better. Amazing is such a Met word……………………… :)

  27. Tackelberry May 22nd, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Scored tickets for Tuesday night at Citifield. Kuroda vs. Harvey. SHould be good matchup!

  28. Tackelberry May 22nd, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 9:17 am
    adams is a nice looking young player, but he’s 26. phelps is 26. sometimes the “proof” used for short term success doesn’t predict future success.

    ———————-

    Nunez, too, is older than your typical rookie player at 25.

    Romine is 24, but that’s not as surprising given his position.

    I hope they don’t wait on guys like Austin and Murphy.. push them.

    ____________________________________________

    25,26 is still alot younger than 34,35,36. Good to see some more youth on this team. Even Brignac is only 27, still relatively young. I say keep running these guys out there. I’d love to dump Stewart once Cervelli returns and keep Romine up here.

  29. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Adams is 26….but he should be entering his prime as a baseball player. So hypothetically the Yanks would control him cheaply from 26-32 which is pretty ideal……sucks for him…..but ideal for the team.

  30. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:31 am

    lil Dante is finally hitting a little better.

  31. randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    “I take a somewhat different approach, randy, though I’m sure you know how unique yours is by now”

    shame-

    it doesn’t hurt to have an alternative opinion thrown into the mix :)

    it wouldn’t hurt for someone in hal’s circle to throw in some “unique” ideas.

  32. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    check out Nuno’s plant foot in that picture…..

  33. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    • Hughes on the two home run pitches: “He’s a good fastball hitter. Really, I got into situations where I had to throw my fastball.

    Well yeah, you have to throw the fastball if you don’t have good, reliable secondary pitches. And the hitters know that. That has been the problem all along.

  34. Russell Munson May 22nd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “I’d love to dump Stewart once Cervelli returns and keep Romine up here.”

    I think Romine would be better off playing regularly in AAA than playing once a week when Cervelli returns. He needs at bats at this point.

  35. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    what I hope happens over the next couple of months:

    : the rotation stays healthy and Pineda is throwing 96 mph gas by July.
    : the bullpen stays healthy and Montgomery can join an already awesome pen.
    : Adams continues to play well forcing the Yankees to move Youk into a platoon role at 1B and DH.
    : Grandy or Ichiro one starts to hit.
    : Jeter gets healthy and is Jeter.

  36. randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 9:40 am

    ‘Adams is 26….but he should be entering his prime as a baseball player. So hypothetically the Yanks would control him cheaply from 26-32 which is pretty ideal……sucks for him…..but ideal for the team.”

    blake -

    good point. and boggs came up really late with the red sox.

    i also do root for guys like adams because they might be part of the team after the reorganization.

  37. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:42 am

    “Well yeah, you have to throw the fastball if you don’t have good, reliable secondary pitches. And the hitters know that. That has been the problem all along.”

    The first homer he had him 0-2….0-2 then nibble nibble….bad CU….fastball down the middle.

    Hughes was better last night but the Orioles let him away with a bunch of pitches honestly….Markakis missed 2 or 3 cement mixing sliders. That said…..much better than last start. Hughes is going to do this…..most of his starts are good and he gives you a chance to win most of the time……his clunkers are just so bad that they stick in your mind.

  38. Against All Odds May 22nd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Reorganization??

  39. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    LGY May 22nd, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Nothing here on the Yankees establishing an MLS team in NYC?

    —————–

    Still really confused by the media approach to this, as MLS has had a NY soccer team for years already….

  40. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    I’m not saying it’s a bad thing these guys are all in their mid twenties already.. you’re not going to find a lot of elite talent coming up in the Yankees org at 19, 20, 21 like on some other clubs. But I just hope they don’t hesitate to push guys like Murphy and Sanchez and even Austin and Mason and Flores. It’d be nice to have guys knocking on the door for next year if we’re serious about the budget.

  41. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I guess this NYC MLS team will actually play in NYC…??? Is that the difference?

  42. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I BROKE THE RULE!! I BROKE THE RULE!!!!

  43. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:42 am
    “Well yeah, you have to throw the fastball if you don’t have good, reliable secondary pitches. And the hitters know that. That has been the problem all along.”

    The first homer he had him 0-2….0-2 then nibble nibble….bad CU….fastball down the middle.

    Yes, he’ll get strikes and then the hitters will spit on his secondary pitches and fastballs out of the strike zone, and then he gets to where he “has to” throw the fastball and they are waiting for it. Hughes thinks it’s all about his fastball, but it’s not really all about his fastball.

  44. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Against All Odds May 22nd, 2013 at 9:43 am
    Reorganization??

    Yes, Randy’s delusional desires of a Yankee Apocalypse.

  45. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:57 am

    randy,

    Michael Young didn’t really get a chance in the big leagues until he was 25 or so…..and his minor league numbers aren’t as good as Adams’s are really. Obviously I’m not saying Adams is going to be as good as Young has been but he kid looks like he can play and if they don’t give him a chance then we’ll never know

  46. NYYROC May 22nd, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Hey maybe NASCAR is next! ha ha! :)

  47. Russell Munson May 22nd, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Also with Adams the reason he didn’t make the majors sooner is not because of lack of talent but because he couldn’t stay healthy.

  48. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:59 am

    and I know Adams is getting a chance now but to get a “real” chance they are going to have to keep playing him after Youk gets back…..if he’s just a bandaid until he gets back and they send him back down or made him a bench guy then it’s not really an legit opportunity at all……

  49. Jerkface May 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    And to get a ‘real chance’ they have to play him even if he struggles.

  50. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    blake May 22nd, 2013 at 9:59 am

    and I know Adams is getting a chance now but to get a “real” chance they are going to have to keep playing him after Youk gets back…..if he’s just a bandaid until he gets back and they send him back down or made him a bench guy then it’s not really an legit opportunity at all……

    ——————

    The good thing is that right now he’s making a legit impact. We haven’t even gotten a time table on Youk’s return at this point. If Tex is still out, which he likely will be, by the time Youk comes back there’s really no reason to play him anywhere else but 1B.

  51. randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    “Yes, Randy’s delusional desires of a Yankee Apocalypse.”

    you liked greenspan didn’t you? admit it :)

  52. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    http://www.cbssports.com/golf/.....ias-legacy

    Sergio is a whiny baby and a racist apparently….he shouldn’t say that too close to Tiger because I’m pretty sure he could pound him into the ground and hit driver off his head.

  53. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Where the Yankees are going to make up for bad draft positions is,draft picks from qualifying offers.
    3 picks in the top 36,i believe it is this year.

  54. randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “I BROKE THE RULE!! I BROKE THE RULE!!!!”

    shame-

    if there ‘s one thing i’m proud of , its coming up with THE RULE :lol:

  55. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    “And to get a ‘real chance’ they have to play him even if he struggles.”

    of course…..I think they should just make him the 3rd baseman for the rest of the year no matter what and see what happens. Youk can’t play 3B and Arod probably shouldn’t much so just see what the kid can do…..

  56. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    “We will have him round every night. We will serve fried chicken.”

    Sergio’s quote about Tiger.

  57. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Youk is nearing a return.
    The can’t play youk at 3b.
    He gets hurt too much.
    Adams is fine there,and he is a nice story,plus he has a nice,balanced swing,fast through the zone.
    Youk/overbay at 1b,keep tex out as long as you can to collect as much as you can from the wbc.

  58. comnsnse May 22nd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Randy @9:12, good analogy with the economic comments.

    Re: Nuno, wasn’t it just yesterday that some were anointing Nuno for a starting job? Haste makes waste which is why short term analysis is fruitless.

    Adams, the problem going forward is when Arod comes back which he will, what happens to Adams.

    His best position I suspect is 3B and as either a RH DH or a bench player, he has neither the versatility of a utility player nor the power desired in a DH.

    If Arod remains healthy it would be silly for the Yanks to retain Adams as the heir apparent given the years left of his contract.

    Another factor which seems obvious is he is basically a line drive contact guy and 3B is normally reserved for power hitting folks.

    I am not a Cashman fan but I have to say there are many decisions now and going forward, and making them will not be easy.

  59. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Adams has made several plays already at 3B that I don’t think Youk makes…..not saying Adams is Manny Machado or Evan Longoria over there but Youk is bad and Adams is better…..

  60. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 10:09 am

    randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 10:01 am
    “Yes, Randy’s delusional desires of a Yankee Apocalypse.”

    you liked greenspan didn’t you? admit it

    Greenspan actually is famous for cautioning against “irrational exuberance”. I have no feelings for him either way, but I don’t think he fits into your story.

  61. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 10:10 am

    blake May 22nd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    “We will have him round every night. We will serve fried chicken.”

    Sergio’s quote about Tiger.

    ——————-

    SMH.. waiting for the apologists to try and tell me this is a reflection of an overly sensitive society. Hopefully this is racist enough that everyone can agree on it.

  62. comnsnse May 22nd, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Ron, it’s 3 in the first 32 or the first round.

    The problem with the baseball draft is that even players selected at the top of the draft can not help a team immediately.

    Unlike drafts in the other 3 major sports…………..soccer not being a major sport! ;)

  63. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Unless you trade cano,and put adams at 2b.
    Problem is,what can you get for cano,and in a pennant race,noway they trade cano.
    Too bad adams couldn’t play ss.
    Solve a lot of problems.

  64. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    blake May 22nd, 2013 at 10:04 am
    “We will have him round every night. We will serve fried chicken.”

    Sergio’s quote about Tiger.

    He should be suspended from the game for a month or two for a comment like that, and maybe some mandatory counseling.

  65. LGY May 22nd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:47 am
    I guess this NYC MLS team will actually play in NYC…??? Is that the difference?

    ——–

    Yes!

  66. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Yankees get picks 26,32,33.

  67. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    I wonder if Adams could play SS at least as well as Nix with a little practice. Maybe he played SS in college or high school. That way we wouldn’t have to carry Nix when other guys returned (because he can play SS). I’m not saying make Adams the utility guy, but having him able to be the backup SS would help with the roster problem.

  68. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    LGY May 22nd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:47 am
    I guess this NYC MLS team will actually play in NYC…??? Is that the difference?

    ——–

    Yes!

    —————-

    So I guess they’ll rename the Red Bulls and leave them to NJ? Yep, that’s just what MLS needs.. two teams playing right next to each other.

  69. pat May 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    BryanHoch
    Very cool stuff from @RiverAveBlues – a look at some old #Yankees scouting reports: http://bit.ly/10kWpOn

  70. Russell Munson May 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    My guess is they platoon Youk and Overbay at first base and play Adams at 3B vs all lefties, then split the 3B time against righties between them. So Adams should be able to play 2/3 of the games for a while.

  71. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Costas and Smoltz was a nice change last night

  72. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    pat – Thanks! LOL @ some of the stuff they comment on in these reports.

  73. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    “My guess is they platoon Youk and Overbay at first base and play Adams at 3B vs all lefties, then split the 3B time against righties between them. So Adams should be able to play 2/3 of the games for a while.”

    yea….I think they should limit Youk’s time there just because he’s not a good defender and also because it’ll probably help him stay on the field more.

  74. Doreen May 22nd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Just got back from having some errands to run, and skipped ahead, but I had one more though.

    The Yankees really need to see what they have in Jeter and ARod, particularly, before they decide they can go this route next season. Neither one of them may be anywhere close to what they need to be. If the both of them can come back, and can be productive, that’ be great. But they also have to be able to play the field, otherwise they are going to need something more than Nunez for SS.

    ARod I think will fare well as a DH; he’s done well in that role in a limited sample. But I don’t think anyone knows how Jeter would adjust to being mostly or halfly (?) a DH.

    So, I think Hal is premature in making his proclamation.

  75. Doreen May 22nd, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Ooops. Also have to see how Pineda does, too, if he can get a shot in the ML this season.

  76. Doreen May 22nd, 2013 at 10:30 am

    I don’t even think you can say Adams couldn’t stay healthy. That says to me that he’s had injury after injury. I thought in his case it was the ankle injury that just took a really long time to heal and rehab. (I know there’s the back this spring, but was that new or recurring?)

  77. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 10:30 am

    I love reading old scouting reports of players…..

    I have allows enjoyed this one from non scout and numbers cruncher Dave Cameron.

    “I guess I should have nominated Cano in the most overrated prospect thread the other day. That he still gets talked up as some kind of top prospect (not pointing at John here, by the way) amazes me.

    I’ve seen Cano play a lot, and I’m not even sure he’d be a productive Triple-A player. Let’s start with his defense; it’s brutal. He has terrible footwork and simply lacks any kind of instincts around the bag. There’s no way you want him playing up the middle. He might have the raw speed to not be awful in left field, but that’s about as kind as I can be regarding his glovework. Offensively, he’s a fastball hitter. He sits dead red on every pitch and waits for a mistake. Any good breaking ball or offspeed pitch will have him out in front. He’s mostly a gap hitter, lacking the power to drive the ball consistently over the wall. To add insult to injury, he’s also a terrible baserunner.

    In his prime, I think he could hit .280/.320/.400 while playing awful defense. Yipee.

    -David Cameron, February 20, 2005

  78. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    ^ Ahahahahahahaha.

  79. Doreen May 22nd, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Cool scouting reports!

  80. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    According to Wikipedia Adams played 2B and 3B in high school, and

    “Baseball America rated Adams as the second-best high school third baseman in the United States.”

    He played 2B at University of Virginia.

    No mention of playing SS anywhere.

    But, Nix is not really a SS either, he is/was also primarily a 2B.

    So maybe Adams could play SS at least as well as Nix and could be the emergency SS if Nunez went down again, then they wouldn’t have to carry Nix when/if Youk/Arod/Jeter return.

  81. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Adams was put on the DL 3 times for his ankle.

  82. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    lol, Cameron really blew that Cano scouting report.

  83. pkyankfan69 May 22nd, 2013 at 10:43 am

    If Adams keeps hitting and playing excellent D @ 3B it’s going to be very interesting if we reach a point where Youk/Arod/Tex/Hafner are all healthy at the same time. If Adams can force his name into that conversation and the unlikely scenario of all of those guys being healthy at the same time presents itself it is going to be quite the logjam at the corners/DH, 5 guys for 3 spots. Of course I didn’t even mention Overbay.

  84. Mike in Harrisburg May 22nd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    That is a very embarrassing report but in fairness I think Cano proved a lot of people wrong. Not sure anyone but his dad thought he’d be THIS good.

  85. comnsnse May 22nd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Jacksquat, you require more research re: Greenspan and monetary policy.

    Not only did the Fed miscalculate and underestimate the housing problems in 2007-8 but Greenie is the same fellow that dumped 2 trillion into a rapidly declining asset bubble companies in the late 90′s. Talk about irrational exuberance!

    Always remember that the Fed is a private sector company comprised of 12 Fed reserve banks with investors who want a return on their investment as any other investor would, and determine the direction of our “elected” government’s monetary policy.

    Including when and how much money to invest to support many of the banks who were a large part of creating the mess of 2007-8!

    Friends helping friends and continuing even now when banks are declaring huge profits and again granting large bonuses to executives. While also keeping interest rates artificially low and declaring that inflation is under control.

    They also decide when and how much paper money to print, so the inescapable conclusion is the private sector in some form runs the country, not our elected and coopted Congress.

    You might also want to check where most Treasury Secretary’s come from.

    Yup, Wall St. and primarily Goldman-Sachs for many years the leader of the pack!

    So, at the end of the day the financial sector dictates all while government fiddles.

    While the free market/capitalism principle is a wonderful model, without some leavening process and restraint by unbiased honest government we are condemned to repeat the lessons of history’s greatest empires.

    Gibbons “Decline and Fall Of the Roman Empire” and Cicero’s dialogues pre dating Christ are useful educational tools!

    Which I might add are rarely if ever used in our current educational environment!

  86. comnsnse May 22nd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Blake, those “Camerons” don’t do very well with their governing abilities either!

  87. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    cervelli
    romine
    tex
    haffner
    cano
    jeter
    arod
    granderson
    gardner
    ichiro

    wells
    youk

    that leaves one more,if you are carrying 12 pitchers,wich I think is the smart thing to do.

    We have youk to cover 3b,and 1b,extra catcher,extra outfielder.We need someone to cover 2b,and ss.

    nix
    adams
    nunez

    Problem here is,adams needs playing time,so I see him going to aaa,then being our regular 3b,or 2b next year,if he is not traded.

  88. Doreen May 22nd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    jacksquat -

    But isn’t that like Jeter’s ankle. Same injury, but interrupted rehab?

  89. Doreen May 22nd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    When Cano first came up, Larry Bowa worked extensively with him on his fielding.

  90. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 11:00 am

    I miss Bowa.. Nunez could have used a guy like that around.

  91. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    The housing market disaster was banks giving houses away with no money down,then housing prices increased insanely,then people ripped the 100,000 in equity out of them,and spent the money,further making the economy falsely grow.
    Then the interest rates started going up on peoples mortgages,and instead of paying 1200 a month,are paying 2000,or 1800 a month,so they all claimed bankruptcy.
    Now you have a gazillion fpreclosed homes,and the banks crying for bailouts because their money was insured.

    Basically no regulation,and or deregulation.

  92. NYYROC May 22nd, 2013 at 11:04 am

    During last night’s YES broadcast they showed Overbay’s stats through first 42 games of 2013 vs Tex’s stats same time frame 2012. Overbay’s were better.
    If the team is winning and in 1st, how do you justify benching the guys who got you there when the others come back? Will be interesting.

  93. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 11:07 am

    comnsnse, much of what you posted I already know. However, I don’t think Greenspan was primarily responsible for the housing collapse, so I don’t think he really fit into Randy’s story.

  94. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    People were given houses that they needed 3 paychecks to cover their mortgages,maybe 4 paychecks on variable rates,then their mortgages went up,after they sucked a100,000 in equity out of them,with very little,to no money down.
    It happened to a woman I know.
    She said her mortgage wen’t up like 2-400.00 a month,and she couldn’t afford it.
    You should be able to pay your mortgage with 2-2.5 paychecks,for a single person.

  95. pkyankfan69 May 22nd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    I’m under contract for my first ever house right now… Low prices (relatively) + low interest rates + housing prices starting to increase in my area (central NJ) make this the ideal time to buy…

    I’m supposed to move in in July, with my luck you can expect another housing collapse shortly there after.

  96. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    ron May 22nd, 2013 at 11:03 am
    The housing market disaster was banks giving houses away with no money down,then housing prices increased insanely,then people ripped the 100,000 in equity out of them,and spent the money,further making the economy falsely grow.
    Then the interest rates started going up on peoples mortgages,and instead of paying 1200 a month,are paying 2000,or 1800 a month,so they all claimed bankruptcy.
    Now you have a gazillion fpreclosed homes,and the banks crying for bailouts because their money was insured.

    Basically no regulation,and or deregulation.

    Don’t forget all the credit default swap shenanigans.

  97. pkyankfan69 May 22nd, 2013 at 11:10 am

    I’m under contract for my first ever house right now… Low prices (relatively) + low interest rates + housing prices starting to increase in my area (central NJ) make this the ideal time to buy…

    I’m supposed to move in in July, with my luck you can expect another housing collapse shortly there after. So sell your house now before I buy mine and screw the rest of you.

  98. pkyankfan69 May 22nd, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Sorry for the double post… Internet acting screwy atm.

  99. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 11:11 am

    ron May 22nd, 2013 at 10:55 am
    cervelli
    romine
    tex
    haffner
    cano
    jeter
    arod
    granderson
    gardner
    ichiro

    wells
    youk

    that leaves one more,if you are carrying 12 pitchers,wich I think is the smart thing to do.

    We have youk to cover 3b,and 1b,extra catcher,extra outfielder.We need someone to cover 2b,and ss.

    nix
    adams
    nunez

    Problem here is,adams needs playing time,so I see him going to aaa,then being our regular 3b,or 2b next year,if he is not traded.

    It’s hard to imagine all of these guys being healthy at the same time, so it probably will never be quite this crowded. But there probably will still be some problems, yes.

  100. blake May 22nd, 2013 at 11:15 am

    “That is a very embarrassing report but in fairness I think Cano proved a lot of people wrong. Not sure anyone but his dad thought he’d be THIS good.”

    true but that’s why most of the publications you read on players don’t write stuff like that about players in the negative…..they focus on strengths and dream on upside….they obviously mention the flaws but don’t make statements like that where people can come back 8 years later and read and make you look silly.

  101. hardwired7 May 22nd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    The O’s are bringing up Gausman to start on Thursday in Toronto.

  102. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    jacksquat

    Yes.

    I read an article that they were breaking all of these mortgages up into pieces,and trading them,or investing them into the stock market,but any loss was covered by insurance.
    Basically the government had to bail the banks out to prevent the collapse of the united states.
    People do not realize how close we came to a disaster.

  103. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 11:21 am

    So where will this new MLS team play…?? Any word yet?

    I’m sort of waiting to hear that the people of NY will be paying to build a stadium for a sport no one watches.

  104. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Youk,and nunez will be back in less than 2 weeks,more than likely.
    That alone presents a few issues alone.

  105. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Fransisco,brignac will go when youk,and nunez come back.
    Then you have tex,arod,jeter.

    Man is it going to be tough.

    Adams,overbay,and one of nix/nunez have to go.

  106. jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Nix could go instead of Adams if they give him some practice at SS and he could be as good a backup there.

    Overbay could stay until Arod gets back, then I’m not sure what happens. They really can’t let him go until Tex plays for a while without reinjuring his wrist.

    Nunez is the starting SS until Jeter can return and show that he can play SS, which is in doubt atm.

  107. mick May 22nd, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Adams,overbay,and one of nix/nunez have to go.
    ================
    are the injuries over?

  108. mick May 22nd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    blah blah blah

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q421kNZ83BI

  109. Shame Spencer May 22nd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    jacksquat May 22nd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Nix could go instead of Adams if they give him some practice at SS and he could be as good a backup there.
    ———————

    I think Nix is the only guy they’d trust to back up all of the INF spots if necessary, so I highly doubt they let him go.

  110. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 11:42 am

    No the injuries are not over,but if,and when they are,i am playing it out.
    Of course everything works itself out,but if,and when jeter,tex,arod come back,wich it will happen,you have 12 pitchers,and 9 starters.That is 21.
    A bu c,takes you to 22 players.
    Youk,and wells aren’t going anywhere,so now you are at 24 players.

    Pick one out of

    nunez
    nix
    adams
    overbay.

    Unless they carry 11 pitchers.

  111. 86w183 May 22nd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    The likelihood of the entire over-the-hill gang being healthy at the same time is pretty remote, so I wouldn’t worry too much about who stays and who goes until someone, anyone comes back.

    As for Sergio/Tiger who cares? It was a failed attempt at humor and getting under Tiger’s skin. Let the millionaire prima donnas have their cat fight.

  112. mick May 22nd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    It is impossible to predict the future but they will evaluate at that time and go with who’s hot or not.

  113. yankeefeminista May 22nd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    hardwired7 says:
    May 22, 2013 at 11:19 am
    The O’s are bringing up Gausman to start on Thursday in Toronto.
    —–
    I like that the O’s are doing this even though the kid is a couple of starts into AA. In the game I attended, JRam pretty much stayed with Gausman from inning to inning; both can throw an electric FB to both side of plate in mid 90′s with Gausman sitting several ticks higher, both have plus changes, both are working on but throwing pretty decent sliders. Balt doesn’t obviously have the pitching we have but love that they are going with the kid even though he is still working on the slider instead of dumpster diving/vet hunting for a replacement pitcher. I’d be excited as an O’s fan to see him make his MLB debut.

  114. ron May 22nd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    i’d carry 7 relievers

    mo
    roberton
    joba
    claiborne
    Kelley
    warren
    a lefty.

    Then look to trade joba,unless he is spectacular.

    Tough decisions,but I think with haffner,youk,well,it is enough.
    My only issue would be platooning tex.
    Youk can split youk with haffner at dh,and arod at 3b,and wells can split with granderson.

    I think that covers our bad splits from last year,except tex at 1b,against righties.

  115. randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 11:50 am

    “Greenspan actually is famous for cautioning against “irrational exuberance”. I have no feelings for him either way, but I don’t think he fits into your story.”

    take some gingko.

    get smarter.

    you’ll see the connection.

  116. yankeefeminista May 22nd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    As for Hal’s proclamation, im hoping that Cash’s dumpster diving success doesn’t mean that that will be our primary MO going forward. And that we will delay the integration of the kids a la Adams. And the elite group on the rise … Will Adams get sent down once Youk comes back? Likely. Stay tuned.

  117. mick May 22nd, 2013 at 11:53 am

    However, I don’t think Greenspan was primarily responsible for the housing collapse, so I don’t think he really fit into Randy’s story.
    ================
    Randy told a story? I thought he went to twitter, but his stories are too long to tweet…

  118. randy l. May 22nd, 2013 at 11:53 am

    I love reading old scouting reports of players…..

    I have allows enjoyed this one from non scout and numbers cruncher Dave Cameron.

    “I guess I should have nominated Cano in the most overrated prospect thread the other day. That he still gets talked up as some kind of top prospect (not pointing at John here, by the way) amazes me.

    I’ve seen Cano play a lot, and I’m not even sure he’d be a productive Triple-A player. Let’s start with “his defense; it’s brutal. He has terrible footwork and simply lacks any kind of instincts around the bag. There’s no way you want him playing up the middle. He might have the raw speed to not be awful in left field, but that’s about as kind as I can be regarding his glovework. Offensively, he’s a fastball hitter. He sits dead red on every pitch and waits for a mistake. Any good breaking ball or offspeed pitch will have him out in front. He’s mostly a gap hitter, lacking the power to drive the ball consistently over the wall. To add insult to injury, he’s also a terrible baserunner.

    In his prime, I think he could hit .280/.320/.400 while playing awful defense. Yipee.

    -David Cameron, February 20, 2005″

    blake -

    i want to tweet this to cameron. you have a link to it? :)

  119. yankeefeminista May 22nd, 2013 at 11:53 am

    No way Adams will play SS. We are stuck with Nixy.

  120. mick May 22nd, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Youk can fit in off the bench , Adams is here to stay.

  121. yankeefeminista May 22nd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Randy, Cameron has some doozie scouting reports, so I am not surprised.

  122. champ809 May 22nd, 2013 at 11:56 am

    In fairness to Hughesie both of the pitches that Dickensen hit out were actually very good pitchers pitches.

    The first one was a fastball middle away but kinda on the black at the edge of the zone not over the middle.

    The second was down and in and again at the edge of the zone close to being off the plate and Dickie got the bat head out. Even Smoltzie highlighted these facts about the pitches.

  123. 86w183 May 22nd, 2013 at 11:59 am

    I think the young guys will go down if/when the veterans are able, but next season the young guys will fill many of the voids created by expiring contracts. It’s probably another year before OF voids can be filled from within, but C, IF and P are places where multiple young players appear ready to step in.

  124. yankeefeminista May 22nd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    First one, yeah, but lefties like down and in…

  125. yankeefeminista May 22nd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    :arrow:

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