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Granderson: “Everything feels good”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 23, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Curtis Granderson

This is what Joe Girardi said about Curtis Granderson on Tuesday night:

“I think his swing is coming. I think you’re starting to see him drive some baseballs, and that’s a good sign. He didn’t have a normal spring training for him, but I think he’s getting closer, and I think he’s about ready to take off.”

This is what Granderson did on Wednesday night: 3-for-3 with a double, a home run, two-runs scored and a batting average that rose nearly 100 points in the span of nine innings.

“It’s just a matter of getting comfortable and getting timing right and getting in a rhythm and going from there,” Granderson said. “It’s one of those baseball things. You can’t really pinpoint it exactly. It’s just going to end up happening one day. Could be one swing. Could be one at-bat. Could be one day.”

The Yankees season might be almost two months old, but Granderson has played only seven games. Those games weren’t going particularly well until last night, when he finally got his first extra-base hit (the third-inning double), his first home run and his first RBI. The Yankees are banking on Granderson providing some middle-of-the-order pop, and he finally showed it last night.

“It’s a result oriented game, so you always want to see that stuff,” Granderson said. “At the same time, the feel is the most important thing. Whenever you do get the feel, then you’re in a better situation to get the results that you want. That’s what I’m still working on right now, just getting that feel.”

Granderson said he feels no pain in his forearm, playing all three outfield positions hasn’t affected him — “It’s not anything foreign. It’s not anything more exciting or less exciting,” he said — and he hasn’t been bothered by moving up and down the lineup. The biggest thing was getting healthy, getting into his routine, and trusting that the production would come.

“It’s just like the opening week of the season for me,” Granderson said. “… If I had 100 home runs right now, I’d be no different. It’s just part of the beginning of the season. You’ve got to get through it, and things are going to go ahead and change and even themselves out after you get into the next week, and then the next month, and into the halfway point and then toward the end of the season. I would expect things to go ahead and even themselves out. No matter what you end up doing, you’re not going to stay on pace like that. If you had zero hits or a thousand hits, things aren’t going to stay that way.”

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157 Responses to “Granderson: “Everything feels good””

  1. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    The wolves are out
    ——————-

    I could care less about Montero, as I said, I think of him the same as I think of Kennedy and Austin Jackson…I’m just curious as to where the people *cough*Randy*cough* are who were shining up a plaque for the kid when he was traded?

    Again, he might go to Tacoma, dominate PCL pitching, regain his confidence and take off like a shot. Or, he might not. Either way…Jesus Montero is irrelevant to the Yankees.

  2. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Frankly I care more about David Adams and the progress Ronnier Mustellier is making at AAA than I do Montero.

  3. Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Luis, let me give you a peek inside our way of thinking because the real funny thing is that this demotion and the DH/1B thing was something trade proponents tried desperately to point out at the beginning, but opponents insisted Montero could and would stick at catcher. Randy spearheaded that line of thinking, never adjusting his thought process even when the Mariners drafted Zunino or brought in Shoppach. However, it was always fishy to me from way before the actual trade how Montero’s name kept leaking in trade rumors, Halladay, Lee, Jimenez, Felix, Gio, Cain. It led me to believe the Yankees were shopping him and that they had very real doubts about his ability to catch. They even brought in Russell Martin and kept Cervelli and Romine through it all. The majority attitude was “Jesus Montero is going nowhere” so I was unable to elaborate on my suspicions. When Montero was called up in September to face weak september callup pitching, I wondered if he was being showcased. As recently as this year I suggested the Yankees sold high. During that off season I expected him to be traded and argued for it – mainly for Gio.

    I think opponents are so far gone and so engulfed in shock that it’s impossible to see or let alone comprehend the alternate reality in proponents minds that has lingered and grown since day one. And so opponents continue to envision Montero returning to catcher, even returning to the Yankees in a trade. Their way of thinking was never adjusted to match the reality. It’s funny how I’ve had access to the reality all along. Just thought I’d share.

    -Buster

  4. G. Love May 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I’d keep Grandy leading off. He always seems to hit better in the 2 hole, so keep him up top and hope it gets him hot. He’s never going to be an OBP guy, but maybe top of the lineup takes pressure off him and maximizes his talent?

  5. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Apologies to Randy, I didn’t see that he was posting on the last thread before making my comment about the Montero huggers going into hiding.

    I disagree with him entirely, but at least he’s standing up and still willing to fight the good fight and likely will to the end.

  6. Hassey May 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    watchign Cano hit now is becoming like watching Mattingly hit after he hurt his back. I am not saying Cano hurt his back; I am only saying that we are all sitting there waiting and waiting for one or two hits to snowball into an extended hot streak, only to be disappointed. He’s a good hitter and a great defender but I feel like he has reached his cruising altitude and is ready to begin his descent

  7. Captain Clutch May 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I think Montero will be fine offensively. He will probably be the Mariners DH next year but it’s obvious that the catching experiment is over. The Yanks knew that he isn’t a catcher and with all of the old farts on this team they wouldn’t have the DH open for him.

  8. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    G. Love May 23rd, 2013 at 11:45 am
    yanksfem,

    I’m at a loss seeing the numbers he’s put up. It just doesn’t match with the hitter we saw in YS that Sept. Yeah, that was a small sample, but remember how Arod and a lot of the guys were top stepping every Jesus at bat?

    —————————————-

    When it comes to Jesus I think it’s a number of things:
    Ball park
    Line-up
    Some immaturity
    Falling into bad habits
    The trade. I don’t think he’s ever gotten over being traded. Some guys handle it better than others. Kennedy was moved and never looked back. It seems like he truly envisioned himself being a Yankee long term. I think it was last yr when he came back wasn’t he seen gazing at the RF wall and walking out in the outfield.

  9. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    G. Love,

    I agree they should keep Grandy leading off. Gardy has not shown he is particularly up to the task. Grandy has done it earlier in his career with success. Why not ride it? They don’t really have abetted alternative. Maybe even put Gardy back at ninth?

  10. joecembrale May 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Ian Kennedy would have never been able to navigate the AL East batting orders much less the reast of the AL> He is in a perfect place, a weak hitting league that plays in a lot of big ballparks. Jackson is better that we were told but his strikeouts would have been a huge issue had he stayed in NY. Montero is irrelevant, I already consider David Adams a much better hitter and he comes with half the hype and no drama.

  11. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 am
    Frankly I care more about David Adams and the progress Ronnier Mustellier is making at AAA than I do Montero.

    ————————

    Ronnie is a spare piece

  12. G. Love May 23rd, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Hassey,

    Cano used to be part of the “slow starters” with the Yankees who did nothing the first 2 months of the season (April Mostly) and caused the Yankees to turn the 2nd half of the season into a sprint to make the playoffs at times.

    He’s gotten better there.

    Before you bury him, just know that when the weather heats up, so does Cano. The fact we’ve gotten this much offense out of him early is gravy because the main course is still coming.

  13. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Montero is irrelevant, I already consider David Adams a much better hitter and he comes with half the hype and no drama.

    ——————–

    Will you still be rooting for Adams when he struggles like all young players do? Or will you say ehhh maybe he’s not that good.

  14. Captain Clutch May 23rd, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Cashman’s biggest mistake was not getting something better back for Montero. He was the team’s biggest trade chip and they needed to get a no doubt prospect back. But at this point it is what it is and they have to hope that Pineda can be a 2-3 type starter.

  15. pat May 23rd, 2013 at 11:54 am

    seems like yesterday….

    si_vault
    Jeter and A-Rod keeping it real at the 1997 Rock and Jock Softball Game: pic.twitter.com/cn8cvTimGK

  16. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    And here comes the shovels for Cano.

  17. ron May 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    It was the right move to send Montero down.
    I’m rooting for the kid.
    How can you root for him for years as a yankee,then stop?

    Not so simple.
    He was handed the team,and he just didn’t get it done.
    Maybe he get’s another chance in the future,but someone will take his spot,and eventually if Montero doesn’t take it and run with it,another player will.
    Montero was a negative wins above replacement player,if i’m reading fangraphs correctly,so he was doing worse than a replacement level player,wich was hurting the club,more than helping.
    In baseball,if you are not producing,you will be gone.We have been saying this about Montero all this year.
    They are not going to leave a .600 ops player,hitting for no power,not producing,and against lefties he was hitting under .200,and ops’ing under .600.
    At that point you are helping the team lose because of another catcher not being in there.

  18. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 am
    Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    The wolves are out
    ——————-

    I could care less about Montero, as I said, I think of him the same as I think of Kennedy and Austin Jackson…I’m just curious as to where the people *cough*Randy*cough* are who were shining up a plaque for the kid when he was traded?

    Again, he might go to Tacoma, dominate PCL pitching, regain his confidence and take off like a shot. Or, he might not. Either way…Jesus Montero is irrelevant to the Yankees.

    ——————–

    Irrelevant if he comes this downward trend. And it’s not just Randy when Pineda went down there were fans calling radio stations saying “Why did we trade Montero..Pineda hasn’t pitched all yr” Hopefully we get to the point where both teams are satisfied with what they received.

  19. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 11:59 am

    How can you root for him for years as a yankee,then stop?

    ————————-

    It depends on who you’re speaking to.
    Some fans move forward once a player is traded because he is no longer on the team. The connection is gone at that point but they don’t have hard feelings toward him. While others want to prove that it was the right move and take joy in seeing the kid struggle.

  20. joecembrale May 23rd, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 11:53 am
    Montero is irrelevant, I already consider David Adams a much better hitter and he comes with half the hype and no drama.

    ——————–

    Will you still be rooting for Adams when he struggles like all young players do? Or will you say ehhh maybe he’s not that good.

    You mean the Shane Spencer model. I know Adams will come back down to earth. Once word is out on him, teams will adjust. When Youk comes back, Adams would go into a back up role or back down keep playing. It was really a comment on Montero, he is going to be a 24 yeal old DH. His projections are much harder to maintain than Adams’. Adams has a lot more maturity. I try not to get too high and low like this board gets sometimes, just call em as I see em. I see Adams as a nice everyday ballplayer. Not ask me about Austin Romine’s bat.

  21. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    “well, now he’s going to a hitter friendly minor league park. it’ll be interesting seeing him and zunino hitting against the same pitchers .

    odd that seattle brought up a double a guy instead of zunino. my guess is they are afraid of zunino also floundering hitting wise in seattle. it would not look good for them if he failed to hit.

    Randy, Zunino isn’t hitting breaking balls at AAA. That is why he hasn’t bring brought up. See for instance:

    “Why are the Mariners calling him up instead of Mike Zunino, their catcher of the future? After a torrid start, Zunino has cooled off considerably. Triple A pitchers have stopped throwing him fastballs in the strikezone. He’s now seeing a steady diet of breaking and offspeed pitches and elevated fastballs with two strikes. He still needs time to mature and play every day. Forcing him into the big leagues before he is ready would likely do more harm than good.”

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com.....rylink=cpy

    Adams, the guy they DFA’d and risked losing who it was obvious would hit mlb pitching? Guy’s a pro hitter.

  22. Ys Guy May 23rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    I just heard about the mongrel demotion.

    As maybe the most vocal supporter of the Yankees making ‘the trade’ I’m gonna just say I feel bad for Jesus and I hope he gets traded to another organization, makes it back to the show and excels

  23. Ys Guy May 23rd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Sorry obviosly I typed Montero but the auto correct on my phone misscorrected it

  24. Hassey May 23rd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Oh how we long for the Camden Yards days of yore when Posnon and Cabrera were on the docket

  25. Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    I’m more focused on fans letting go of Montero and moving on as a means of opening up to Pineda. He is a large specimen with top rotation potential. We are lucky to have him. So my energy is focused on rooting for Pineda, not rooting for the trade – has been all along.

  26. Hassey May 23rd, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    newsflash – Montero is taking a dump on the plane

    oh wait – he actually, get this, heading back to his seat and putting on his seat belt.

    Nodding off now, no wait, staring at the legs of the woman next to him.

    everything this guy does is newsworthy!

  27. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I will likely be the first one buying tickets to see Pineda pitch in Trenton if he gets starts there. And will make sure to see all his starts. Meanwhile I plan to continue to root hard for Montero; they aren’t mutually exclusive actions nor do they have to be.

  28. Bo knows May 23rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Adams, the guy they DFA’d and risked losing who it was obvious would hit mlb pitching? Guy’s a pro hitter. The range is excellent and the slightly under average arm won’t be much of a factor. He just plays baseball the right way.
    ————
    The kid is looking good and it’s obvious that he can adjust during a game or an at bat which scores a lot of points in my book. His range is excellent and the slightly under average arm won’t be much of a factor. He just plays baseball the right way, that I absolutely enjoy. I’d pay money to watch him. So many good decisions.

    But, there’s always the but.

    Let’s see what happens.

  29. Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Well that’s because Pineda hasn’t done much to divert attention away from him. I think it’s time to move on from the trade and start being more open to Pineda’s potential and stop all the depressing posts about Pineda as if we should all feel disgusted we have this prospect on our hands. Let’s start to get excited about him. It’s OK to do that. He’s a Yankee.

  30. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    I’m more focused on fans letting go of Montero and moving on as a means of opening up to Pineda.

    —————

    I think most fans are open to MP even those against the trade. The only time he caught any bad attention is when he was overweight, went down with an injury, and got popped for the DUI.

  31. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    I will likely be the first one buying tickets to see Pineda pitch in Trenton if he gets starts there. And will make sure to see all his starts. Meanwhile I plan to continue to root hard for Montero; they aren’t mutually exclusive actions nor do they have to be.

    *********

    Exactly!

  32. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Montero sent down to AAA by Mariners.

    That Cashman is a very, very smart man :)

  33. Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Well now that we’re approaching Pineda’s return, I think we can let go and embrace him without endorsement of the trade. I’m for the love of Pineda. The trade was always just blog fodder. Pineda is still a big time prospect.

  34. Hassey May 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    wait for Brendan Ryan to get hurt then offer Brignac for Montero

  35. luis May 23rd, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Got to go… Buster, there is an answer to your post on previous thread… i won’t be able to post for a few days… So excuse me if I don’t answer some posts

    Later all

  36. Hassey May 23rd, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    why don’t you guys just exchange numbers and call each other? Why carry on a conversation thru this imaginary ecosystem?

  37. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    “Well now that we’re approaching Pineda’s return, I think we can let go and embrace him without endorsement of the trade. ”

    Bret making sense. I can’t let that go unnoticed.

  38. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    The trade was always just blog fodder.

    —————————

    No it wasn’t not when Pineda got those three strikes last yr. It went past the blog at that point.

  39. champ809 May 23rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    repost

    champ809 May 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    I disagree with the opinion of many here that Jack Z has done a terrible job as GM of the Mariners.

    Most of that seems based on the results of his Lee and Pineda trades not having worked out so far. At the time of said trades he was importing to his organization top 10/tier 1 offensive players who were considered future middle of the order power bats that were just about major league ready. For the most part he traded from a plethora of starting pitching talent to acquire what his team needed most. That is the proper way to use your assets.

    Smoak was considered the next mark Texiera coming off an excellent AA/AAA campaign and we all know what the feeling was about Montero’s future as a hitter. Ackley was rated the best hitter in the draft and a college hitter at that and that to be a fast comer. Again at that moment it was a great pick, not a reach at all.

    Sometimes the best laid plans go awry. Smoak maybe a late bloomer like Alex Gordon where it takes 3 or for seasons before it all clicks, same with Ackley. They have Zunino and Nick Franklin very close and still have a ton of pitching coming in Paxton, Tijuan Walker and Hultzen to add to King Felix, Iwakuma and Maurer.

    I think Jack Z gets unfairly bashed here mainly because of how the Cliff Lee trade went down. But from his standpoint he ended up with both Smoak and Montero on his team so if they are able to find it he maybe lauded in a couple of years as the shrewdest GM in the game.

  40. Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Confirmation bias. We choose to notice what we want to notice and disregard the rest.

  41. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Oh no, Bret, I read everyone one of your posts extremely carefully.

  42. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Where are all the Pro-Montero fanatics now?

    How does it feel to be in that hole of yours right about now? Kind of lonely, eh

  43. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    Where are all the Pro-Montero fanatics now?

    How does it feel to be in that hole of yours right about now? Kind of lonely, eh

    —————————

    So you take joy in a kid struggling?

  44. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    I’m still pro-Montero, and want the Yankees to trade for him.

    No hole at all. He’s just 23, and the Mariners’ have had trouble with many of their offensive prospects/young players.

    Bring Montero back to YS to take advantage of the short porch in RF and he will rake.

  45. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Montero lost his job to Shoppach because Montero wasn’t hitting a lick and it wasn’t worth leaving him in there given his defense.

    So far the trade takes a major back seat to the Kelley-Almonte deal.

  46. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Bring Montero back to YS to take advantage of the short porch in RF and he will rake.

    ———————————

    Yea when he’s 27-28 yr old no harm in trying to reacquire him. By that time A-rod and co. will be gone.

  47. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Most of us embraced Pineda already, and our feelings about the trade (negative) in no way affected those feelings toward Pineda or other posters who were pro. This blog going nuts has/had little to do with those who had civil conversations about the trade, the uncivil ones/posters were the problem and probably will continue to be so when it comes to any “hot” topic.

  48. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    Where are all the Pro-Montero fanatics now?
    ___
    I didn’t know we are invisible. You may need glasses? See us all here and posting.

  49. comnsnse May 23rd, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Buster, on one of your earlier posts you use the phrase “our way of thinking”.

    Are you affiliated with some baseball mensa group? ;)

    While expectations often exceed reality most of us are to quick to assign the succeed or failure tag to those in any endeavor including sports.

    A few years ago Chase Utley was hailed as one of the best 2B in recent memory.

    The came a few injuries and poor performance and many consigned him to the scrap heap.

    Today he seems to have regained most of his former skill level and is once again a prized player.

    Very few players ever rise meteorically and remain there for entire careers.

    Let’s see where the trades are in a few years! And one further note, the Yanks were ready to send Cano and Wang to the DBacks for Johnson the year before they got him!

    A Wang for a Johnson…………I should have been a headline writer! ;)

  50. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Look at Ackley and his 57 OPS+. Smoak is only starting to hit a little now, and he is three years older than Montero.

    You have some people here who only come here to prove they’re right.

    I’m here good times or bad, whether I am right or wrong, although the tediousness does cause me to take a break now and then.

  51. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    Most of us embraced Pineda already,

    ———————–

    There were a number of ppl on Lohud happy to hear that he is progressing in rehab. I haven’t seen anyone say boooooooooooooo he’s recovering according to schedule I hate him.

  52. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    Where are all the Pro-Montero fanatics now?

    How does it feel to be in that hole of yours right about now? Kind of lonely, eh

    —————————

    So you take joy in a kid struggling?
    ————————————————————————————–
    If a player is not on the Yankees, then I might enjoy that the player is struggling only because he would not be a threat to defeat the Yankees when facing that player.

    Anyway, I think Cashman is a very, very smart man. Once again he fooled a team into trading for a player that had all the hype, all the press, and all the makings of a sure fire, can not miss “legend in the making”.

  53. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    btw, Remember all the Yankee fans who were dissing Russell Martin in April. Well, he is OPS+ing 138 now.

    That’s the same Martin who was beloved last season because he wasn’t Montero.

    It’s not that I love the guy, but I said that if they were going to give a veteran a two year deal, it should be Martin not Ichiro.

  54. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    “Anyway, I think Cashman is a very, very smart man. Once again he fooled a team into trading for a player that had all the hype, all the press, and all the makings of a sure fire, can not miss “legend in the making”.”

    For a pitcher who got injured during ST. Yeah, that was the plan.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    A $230m payroll would make a lot of GMs look smart, especially those that have developed a lot of high-end homegrown talent.

  55. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Montero is not going to catch in NY, and until and unless there is no Jeter or ARod on the team, they are not going to use him as strictly a DH. Unless can learn first base, there doesn’t appear to be a place for Montero.

    I heard Singleton say last night that the orioles were a team that is also looking at a rotating DH situation, and his feeling was that most ML teams were going in that direction.

    Montero has to use this opportunity to really learn 1B so he can be more versatile, a catcher/1b/DH type Sí that his bat can be in there as much as possible (if he can get his hitting back on track). I really hope he is able to get his hitting back.

  56. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Rich
    Talking about the payroll is a totally different subject.
    I am strictly talking about how an organization can pump up a player so much that the player
    becomes a top prospect and has incredible trade value.
    Cashman and the Yankees told anybody that would listen, Montero is not good enough to be a catcher in the big leagues. Montero is a DH at best.
    Yankees did not have room on their roster for a catcher his weak skills or a full time DH.

    I know Pineda has done next to nothing, but Cashman is not responsible for the injury to Pineda.

  57. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Russell Martn was last year’s favorite whipping boy. Those of us who supported him and wanted him back were in the minority.

  58. Hassey May 23rd, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    if he ever hit .262 for us, he’d still be here

  59. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    WTP, do you really think that the Yankees “pumping” up Montero is why Seattle dealt for him? Words as opposed to Seattle’s own team evaluation: Seattle saw him play/had their scouts evaluate him, etc. Who in mlb makes a deal based on what another team says about a player? Also you are acting as if going to AAA is going to a gravesite. The kid is 23 y.o. LOL.

  60. blake May 23rd, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    “I’d keep Grandy leading off. He always seems to hit better in the 2 hole, so keep him up top and hope it gets him hot. He’s never going to be an OBP guy, but maybe top of the lineup takes pressure off him and maximizes his talent?”

    Agreed….I thinks the he will get more fastballs in front of cano.

    Hey what did you think of Tex’s latest tweet?

  61. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    So far the most productive player from the trade has been Hector Noesi.

    This move will really test Montero’s maturity because it is a double whammy. Not only is he being sent to AAA but he’s being moved out from behind the plate. Maybe he uses this opportunity to focus on his hitting and he emerges as the next Edgar Martinez or he gets frustrated, falls apart and turns into the next Jeff Clement.

    I sincerely hope it’s the former. But don’t really care either way unless there comes a time where the Yankees have to face him with something on the line.

    As for Cashman, I’m not sure…clearly the Yankees weren’t sold on him behind the plate, but I have to think that he would have been a better hitter in NYS than he is in Safeco. On the other hand would he have been more valuable as a DH or as a trade chip while still listed as a potential catcher? I don’t know. Basically if Pineda comes back pitching well – I’m happy.

  62. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    WTP

    For the sake of argument, I will go with your premise.

    If the idea is to pump up an asset, then why use that inflated asset in a trade for the riskiest possible return, a pitcher under 26, with a short sample of ML success, a prior arm injury, a fairly recent spike in velo, and only two pitches?

    So while pump and dump may have its virtues, it could also be argued that Jack Z. was employing the same strategy.

    That “strategy” would make far more sense if he went after a young, cost-controlled bat, especially one that could play SS/3B, which is still their biggest need, or an established pitcher like Gio.

    Remember, at the time, before the trade, some of us were saying here that their starting pitching needs could be solved by signing Kuroda, and developing on Phelps or Warren.

    That looks smart now, right?

    All I will say about the injury, apart from the increased susceptibility because of his age, were you really happy that they kept him competing for a rotation spot despite the low velo and the shoulder pain?

    I wasn’t.

  63. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Russell Martn was last year’s favorite whipping boy. Those of us who supported him and wanted him back were in the minority.
    _

    Doreen

    My point is merely about the two year contract issue (Martin over Ich), and how some who supported him last year (not me), turned on him this year.

  64. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Bo knows May 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am
    Bo, who are you addressing?

    Actually it was Brett the misaligned wrestler.
    I’m feeling down on the Montero news. I realize it’s for the better but I get really torqued when coaches try to change players to a formula that they have. The kid had that beautiful setup and they messed it up.
    ___
    Sorry, Bo for slow response. Just saw this in the previous thread. I agree about messing with his mechanics. Hopefully, he gets back to what he does best. That early aggressive approach they were touting also wasn’t good for him. He had been walking more lately, but just needs the consistent AB’s that he will get in AAA.

  65. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    blake May 23rd, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    “I’d keep Grandy leading off. He always seems to hit better in the 2 hole, so keep him up top and hope it gets him hot. He’s never going to be an OBP guy, but maybe top of the lineup takes pressure off him and maximizes his talent?”

    Agreed….I thinks the he will get more fastballs in front of cano.

    Hey what did you think of Tex’s latest tweet?
    ————————

    lineup I would like to see for now:

    Granderson – RF
    Adams – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Wells – LF
    Pronk – DH
    Overbay – 1b
    Romine – C
    Brigniac – SS
    Gardner – CF

  66. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    Where are all the Pro-Montero fanatics now?

    How does it feel to be in that hole of yours right about now? Kind of lonely, eh

    —————————

    So you take joy in a kid struggling?
    ————————————————————————————–
    If a player is not on the Yankees, then I might enjoy that the player is struggling only because he would not be a threat to defeat the Yankees when facing that player.

    Anyway, I think Cashman is a very, very smart man. Once again he fooled a team into trading for a player that had all the hype, all the press, and all the makings of a sure fire, can not miss “legend in the making”.

    ————————–

    So he finally pulled the wool over someone’s eyes after having it done to him for a number of yrs.

  67. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Rich and WTP:

    This wasn’t a pump and dump deal from either team.

    The Yankees have had a brutal time developing high end pitchers but had depth at catcher
    The Mariners have had a brutal time developing high end hitting but had depth at pitcher

    It was a case, from both sides, dealing from a position of strength to fill a need and it hasn’t worked out for either team.

  68. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Rich,

    I understand what you’re saying. Martin made his move very early Hugh; he wasn’t airing around for the Yankees to maybe change their minds. They may have, too, but well never know.

  69. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    If they are going to play him, Brignac needs major adjustments as per KLong. He had the one AB where he was better at fighting off pitches, but that long, holey swing is hard to stomach.

    And speaking of Martin, I haven’t watched his AB’s this year, but if he is using that similar hero approach, I am happy he is not on my roster. Some of his playoff AB’s were painful to watch. Not my kind of hitter.

  70. igotid88 May 23rd, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    The Mariners were winning for the most part with Montero behind the plate. Not just with Felix. He’s called some good games catching Harang and Saunders.

  71. blake May 23rd, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Brignac can’t hit a lick

  72. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Once again? Maybe Jack Z. pulled the wool over Cash’s eyes by trading him damaged goods.

    As for need, we needed young hitting, and continue to need young hitting, dumpster diving success understood. Our pitching is deep.

  73. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Translation: he wasn’t waiting around

  74. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Doreen

    According to Sherman, Levine overrule Cashman on which of the two would get a contract.

  75. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Chip
    Well said.
    In order to get a front line starter, the Yankees had to have a top prospect that would loved by scouts. Montero was the guy. At the time, there was not bigger prospect in the minors
    for the Yankees.
    And, Cashman went on and on about how Montero was not a very good catcher and he needed to improve, etc…
    Fans here disagreed and wanted Montero behind the plate at all costs.
    Fast forward 1 years and Montero is being sent down to AAA because his catching is not very good and his hitting, which was supposed to be his forte, is just as bad.

  76. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    blake, never could. The occasional pop isn’t worth the, I believe, 30% K’s vs. RHP. And he OBP’s under .300… Ouch.

  77. Madrugador May 23rd, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    I don’t thing Brignac is on the team for his offense. He might have a better bat than Gonzales I guess.

  78. Shame Spencer May 23rd, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Rich and WTP:

    This wasn’t a pump and dump deal from either team.

    The Yankees have had a brutal time developing high end pitchers but had depth at catcher
    The Mariners have had a brutal time developing high end hitting but had depth at pitcher

    It was a case, from both sides, dealing from a position of strength to fill a need and it hasn’t worked out for either team.

    ———————-

    One of the more fair assessments.

  79. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Chip

    I don’t disagree, I was just using his premise, but I disagree that the Yankees were trading from strength. Their system had no other near ML ready hitters.

    In fact, look at the lengths they went to this year to not give Adams a shot. $12m on Youk and then pre-arranged deal or not, they didn’t keep Adams on the 40 man and were not prepared to start the season with him at 3B.

    That’s what needs to change. Give kids a shot before an injury forces your hand.

  80. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Yeah, well we know Brignac’s not on for his O, but just adding another big hole there. I’d rather have Ramiro Pena’s bat. There, I said it. I don’t care about the occasional big hairy that Brigny might put up (if he can make contact).

  81. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Chip
    You have to remember that Adams was going to get a chance this spring, but once again he was injured.
    Nobody could have done anything about that.
    Once Adams was injured and basically worthless to the team, the Yankees had to release him.
    Thankfully he was not claimed and is back with the team and doing well.
    I said this yesterday, from my eyes, it looks to me that Adams has a look about him that makes me believe he belongs in the big leagues.
    I think the reports were he is a better 2b compared to 3b, but he’s sparkled at 3b so far.

  82. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Rich, yep. And from what I have heard, sounds like they likely did release Adams with no deal in place. How do you do that?

  83. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    “Once Adams was injured and basically worthless to the team, the Yankees had to release him.”

    Yankees did NOT have to release Adams. It was asinine. Luckily, it has worked out.

  84. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    yf

    Maybe it isn’t Cashman, and Levine or Hal say, ‘no, we can’t trust that Adams kid when we can get Youk. Who cares about his back? NYC has the best doctors in the world!’

    But there’s a problem in how they do things when it comes to kids, and unless $230 is the norm, it will bite them at some point.

  85. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Rich,

    Sigh. I dont know why Levine has player authority.

  86. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Brignac and Gonzalez are the same player to me.
    I can tolerate Brignac because I have faith he might produce a bit more than
    Gonzalez would have.
    Regardless, both of them are only here/were only here because the top 2 SS
    on the roster are injured.
    For 3rd string, no team is going to have an all-star in the making. 3rd string is 3rd
    string for a reason

  87. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    OT

    ESPN
    Source: Knicks’ Smith slowed by knee pain

    New York Knicks sixth man J.R. Smith played in the postseason with fluid in his left knee, a league source confirmed.
    _

    Funny how it just started to affect right him after he was suspended for elbowing Terry.

  88. mick May 23rd, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    back from taco bell and not impressed with the entertainment value or humor (lack of it) re: the montero announcement.
    i do find it interesting that luis will be gone for a few days…and that randy made a token appearance but has gone a twitter….and btw where is the leader of the montero movement, back of a milk container?

  89. G. Love May 23rd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    yanksfem,

    I still can’t get the image out of my head last season where Martin swung so hard he spun around in the batter’s box and was facing the visiting dugout after the swing.

    I hadn’t seen that since Bugs Bunny cartoons.

    Doreen – Missed you reply above. I’m with you on Grandy. If Gardner can’t put up a .350 OBP or higher, bat him 9th and see if Grandy can thrive at the top of the lineup.

    I do feel batting order has a psychological effect on some guys. Remember when Cano couldn’t hit well above 7th in the lineup? It took him awhile to get comfortable being in prime real estate.

    I wonder if batting in the middle of the order or lower makes Grandy mentally a different hitter?

  90. mick May 23rd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Funny how it just started to affect right him after he was suspended for elbowing Terry.
    =====================
    the fluid must have leaked into his brain.

  91. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    i do find it interesting that luis will be gone for a few days

    ———————-

    Maybe he has stuff to handle.

  92. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Montero?
    Who dis?

  93. Frankg May 23rd, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Montero sent down to AAA by Seattle today.

  94. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    Rich,

    Sigh. I dont know why Levine has player authority.

    —————–

    I don’t get it either. Making suggestions is one thing but he should not have power to overrule the GM.

  95. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    I do remember it took Cano a little while to be comfortable with the jump in order.

    There is so much of this game that is dependent upon the frail human element.

  96. Bo knows May 23rd, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    According to Sherman, Levine overrule Cashman on which of the two would get a contract.
    ———–
    Every time I read something like that I start levitating. The baseball people bust their butt to make decisions, often putting their jobs at risk and some schmoozer overrides decisions and takes none of the responsibility.

    Strikes a little too close to home. Been there, done that. I walked.

  97. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Frankg May 23rd, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    Montero sent down to AAA by Seattle today.

    ————————————-

    Do you have a link??

  98. Doc Iac May 23rd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    wow I never seen a non yankee player so loved by half and hated by the other half of yankee fans

    hes gone, get over it

    I see this freakin guys name in my nightmares

  99. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Could be why Cashman always looks the way he looks.

    Got to be frustrating on some level, if the situation is such that ownership went so far with the plan to develop its system, but no farther, and the final word rests with a financial guy who’s focus is somewhere else.

    I’m sure part of going after Youkilis, and the justification for the money spent (as well as the 2years for Ichiro) had much to do with people coming to see them play.

  100. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    My take on Levine’s power: People with money listen to people who they think make them more money.

    I could be wrong, but that’s what I think it is.

  101. igotid88 May 23rd, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    I meant Maurer

  102. Doreen May 23rd, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Rich, yeah, I think do.

  103. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Chip

    I don’t disagree, I was just using his premise, but I disagree that the Yankees were trading from strength. Their system had no other near ML ready hitters.

    In fact, look at the lengths they went to this year to not give Adams a shot. $12m on Youk and then pre-arranged deal or not, they didn’t keep Adams on the 40 man and were not prepared to start the season with him at 3B.

    That’s what needs to change. Give kids a shot before an injury forces your hand.
    ——————–

    Rich,

    I agree with you that the Yankees have gone to extraordinary lengths to keep their young players from actually playing.

    However, in the case of Montero, the Yankees made that trade, I think, believing that they were going to go into the season with Russ Martin and Austin Romine…Romine hurt his back and the plan went out the window.

    In the case of Adams, I don’t blame the Yankees for not wanting to put all their eggs in the basket of a kid who, coming into this year, hadn’t played a single at bat above AA. Now, I for one was clamoring for him (and the Almontes) to be in AAA at the end of last year, but that’s another story. Even so, I didn’t disagree with the idea of getting Youk, a veteran who could play 3b, 1b and be a right handed DH or full time DH (the Yankees hadn’t signed Pronk by this point and even if they had who knows when/if he’s going to go down). In the end, it was a smart move because Adams got hurt and wasn’t available at all through spring training and then the one guy who could have stepped in (Mustellier) got hurt himself. Had Ronnier not gotten hurt, I believe the opening day combo would have been Ronnier at 3b and Youk at 1b.

    Had the Yankees not signed Youk the opening day 3b would have been Nix or CoJo.

    The Yankees gave some young players lots of opportunities this spring: Mesa and Almonte in the OF specifically – only after they spit the bit did Cashman move for Francisco and Wells.

    The only guy who I felt got the screwjob this spring was Romine.

  104. igotid88 May 23rd, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Why aren’t Sabathia and Hughes pitching on regular rest? CC should be lined up to pitch Saturday against the Rays “ace” Moore.

  105. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    G Love, I hate to break it to you, but Arod was watching the stands from the top step, not Montero’s at-bats. :neutral:

  106. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Adams is a better 2nd basemen but he has been pretty impressive at 3B. I saw that he was good going to his right in minors at 3B, but hadn’t seen the range overall because he just didn’t get balls like he has in the majors. Arm is good enough, unlike Cojo’s (why did they put Cojo at 3B with that arm in the first place?) As for Adam’s bat, it has been a major league bat for the last couple of years. Nobody who watched Adams play, including the Yankees, could have missed that. I too wish we trusted the kids more. Again, interesting to see how position players move up to the bigs, time table, sense of readiness, going forward…

    We can’t know who does what in FO. But Hal keeps touting the kids, so he must be on board with integrating them. Any baseball person would know that Adam’s bat was overripte with readiness. But Cash loves the Youk types. And wonder about the evaluations regarding Adams’ hairiness. He already has 2 HR’s. Got to love that.

    People actually have things to do away from this blog; what a thought! Luis’s views are front and center as are most of ours, so I don’t think we need to question his accountability or anyone else’s. Blog police can relax for now.

  107. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    “yanksfem,

    I still can’t get the image out of my head last season where Martin swung so hard he spun around in the batter’s box and was facing the visiting dugout after the swing.

    I hadn’t seen that since Bugs Bunny cartoons.”

    ___
    G.Love, yep, you can’t make that swing up, unfortunately. Bugs Bunny is exactly it. You nailed it.

  108. austinmac May 23rd, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    We will know how the Montero -Pineda turns out in a few years. No one knows how either will turn out.

    Once a player leaves the Yankees he is not one of my guys. I have pulled for the team for a long time and want their players to perform and have little interest in how former players do.

    Ichiro is looking like the worst move of the off-season. I don’t think the outfield can have Garndner and Ichiro on the field. No pop at all. With limited offense, to be kind, from catcher and shortstop, they need more offense.

    I found what someone posted ealrlier interesting that Francisco has primarily been the DH. I agree he will go once one of the injured guys returns with Adams either being RHDH or 3B.

    Hafner needs time off to stay healthy and so will Youkilis, so I think the roster works out.

  109. igotid88 May 23rd, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    And on twitter the people reporting on Montero hash tagged Yankees

  110. jacksquat May 23rd, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am
    Luis, let me give you a peek inside our way of thinking

    Our?

    You speak only for yourself.

  111. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    jacksquat May 23rd, 2013 at 1:34 pm
    Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am
    Luis, let me give you a peek inside our way of thinking

    Our?

    You speak only for yourself.
    _____
    It never was an us and them, but some people feel better creating an enemy even among their own kind (Yankee fans). Go figure.

  112. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    We must never lose sight of the real enemy, right?

  113. Ys Guy May 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I don’t think there is much Montero hatred on this board . he’s just a kid trying to make it in baseball .

    there has been however , much haterade of the so-called experts who used the trade as proof positive of Brian cashmans incompetence .
    day after day week after week month after month they posted over and over again about how stupid the trade was . now they should expect a lot of flack , that’s too bad when you dish it out you need to expect to get it back .
    my position from the start was that the trade would work out to be about even in the end . a wash .

    since those people took it upon themselves to blitz us with their certainty of cashmans incompetence based on the trade they should expect to catch a lot of flack now that Montero turns out not to be the golden boy.

  114. luis May 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I am on my way to the airport… Where I am going, I don’t believe there is internet to where I am going… I think I have been here through good and bad times… I don’t run away from my positions.. I own them… You can read my posts on previous thread about it… I wish I didn’t have to go, but I have no choice ( family compromise ). So those implying that I am dodging it, think again

  115. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Adams has been such a pleasant surprise at 3rd. And I say that before taking into account
    his offensive numbers.
    Based on the reports, I thought Adams was a liability at 3rd and would be making a lot of errors.
    Not the case at all.
    His arm strength is good enough and he does not mind getting dirty.
    Nothing bad to say about the kid. I hope he’s having fun because odds are he will be sent down once Youk is ready to play.
    Not always fair, but that’s how the ball bounces sometimes.

  116. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    I wish they were showing Gausman’s debut vs.
    Morrow and Jays instead of the Sux-Indians game on mlb net.

    Safe trip, luis.

  117. mick May 23rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    yeah go figure…who could have started this thing…only those who bought the hype…but they feel that way about all of their babies.

  118. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Nick, we should not.

  119. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    “there has been however , much haterade of the so-called experts who used the trade as proof positive of Brian cashmans incompetence .”

    This is your usual strawman overstatement. Most of his critics, including myself, state more often what he has done right than his supporters will acknowledge what he has done wrong.

  120. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Adams has been such a pleasant surprise at 3rd. And I say that before taking into account
    his offensive numbers.
    Based on the reports, I thought Adams was a liability at 3rd and would be making a lot of errors.
    Not the case at all.
    His arm strength is good enough and he does not mind getting dirty.
    Nothing bad to say about the kid. I hope he’s having fun because odds are he will be sent down once Youk is ready to play.
    Not always fair, but that’s how the ball bounces sometimes.
    ———————

    I think Adams goes if Youk and Tex are back. If only Youk is up then I think that Girardi will want to rotate him through 1b, 3b and DH to not only give him a break, but to spell Overbay and Pronk a little too.

  121. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    jacksquat May 23rd, 2013 at 1:34 pm
    Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am
    Luis, let me give you a peek inside our way of thinking

    Our?

    You speak only for yourself.
    _____
    It never was an us and them, but some people feel better creating an enemy even among their own kind (Yankee fans). Go figure.
    __

    By “our,: he may mean: Bustero, Bret, Brett, FiretheUmp (or whatever he called himself) and who knows what other user names.

  122. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    The real enemy being the overuse of pop psychology theories about other commenters in the LoHud Yankee blog comment section, I should add.

  123. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    “there has been however , much haterade of the so-called experts who used the trade as proof positive of Brian cashmans incompetence .”

    This is your usual strawman overstatement. Most of his critics, including myself, state more often what he has done right than his supporters will acknowledge what he has done wrong.
    ——————-

    More to the point, Montero struggling doesn’t make this a good trade for the Yankees. It’s only a good trade for the Yankees if Pineda and/or Campos develop into solid major leaguers.

    If Montero stinks and Pineda stinks then it was a bad trade for both teams and there are no winners.

    I’m sure Jack Z has some supporters who are saying “sure Montero may not be any good, but at least Noesi is pitching in the majors, that’s more than Pineda’s doing”

  124. jacksquat May 23rd, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Hassey May 23rd, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    if he ever hit .262 for us, he’d still be here

    Undoubtedly it’s the park. If he came back to YS he’d hit .200 again…

    :roll:

  125. Ys Guy May 23rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    just once I’d like to hear one of the super trade critics on here admit that they could have been wrong .

    probably never happen

  126. bruceb May 23rd, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    ESPN
    Source: Knicks’ Smith slowed by knee pain

    JR didn’t appear to be having too much knee pain when he out clubbing it with Rihanna during the play-offs.

  127. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Ys Guy,

    I was wrong. I wasn’t against getting Vernon Wells but I never thought he would have been this good. I also thought that Ichiro would be much better.

    On the Pineda/Montero deal – I was right…I thought it made sense for both teams given their needs. :-)

  128. mick May 23rd, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    JR didn’t appear to be having too much knee pain when he out clubbing it with Rihanna during the play-offs.
    =============
    might be where the pain originated.

  129. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Or the real enemy is within yourself for some…

  130. mick May 23rd, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    both teams knew what they were trading…damaged goods for damaged goods…just different types of damage.

  131. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    This odd “some people/for some” formulation is a side real enemy. We can do better!

  132. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Chip
    It’s all about who returns from the DL first.
    After watching the game last night I heard that Youk is closer than Tex.
    Then again, what does anybody know except for the team and the players.
    I thought Nunez was closer to returning, but then I heard otherwise yesterday or
    the day before.

    Right now I don’t focus on ARod or Jeter. Those 2 are nowhere near closer to returning.
    If I was a betting man, I would bet a large sum that ARod returns before Jeter.

  133. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    I” try, Nick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  134. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    And that includes less typos………………

  135. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Ys Guy May 23rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    just once I’d like to hear one of the super trade critics on here admit that they could have been wrong .

    probably never happen
    _

    Really? I have said I was wrong about Jeter.

    I have said to this point (it’s still May) I have been wrong about Wells and Overbay (anyone who thinks they knew that they would do this well should focus their energy on helping the truly needy, btw).

    So, um, not true.

    Wrong about the trade? At this point? That’s absurd.

  136. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Admitting there’s a problem is the first step towards the solution.

    (feel free to tweet that out, free of charge)

  137. jacksquat May 23rd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
    “Once Adams was injured and basically worthless to the team, the Yankees had to release him.”

    Yankees did NOT have to release Adams. It was asinine. Luckily, it has worked out.

    I’m pretty sure it was planned. Adams was injured at the time, and it was at a time when it was more difficult for teams to add players. And after the fact it sure seemed like there was a deal in place for Adams to come back to the Yankees.

  138. Ys Guy May 23rd, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    honey was dead wrong about wells and also about Kuroda , I didn’t think he’s NL numbers would translate to the AL East .

    I was wrong about Vernon Wells but we all were .

    then again I did have Girardi over Mattingly , and I was dead set against re signing the centaur.

  139. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Right now I don’t focus on ARod or Jeter. Those 2 are nowhere near closer to returning.
    If I was a betting man, I would bet a large sum that ARod returns before Jeter.
    —————————

    I don’t know that we’ll see either this season.

  140. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    But Adams said he had other offers, so not sure that that jives with our hoped for result. Either way, glad he is still ours.

  141. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    I’d like to get Alex back for bat vs. LHP, especially. But Yanks are still trying to get Alex suspended, no?

  142. Ys Guy May 23rd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    and I was wrong for buying this damn phone with the stupid autocorrect that always miss corrects

  143. Chip May 23rd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    jacksquat May 23rd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
    “Once Adams was injured and basically worthless to the team, the Yankees had to release him.”

    Yankees did NOT have to release Adams. It was asinine. Luckily, it has worked out.

    I’m pretty sure it was planned. Adams was injured at the time, and it was at a time when it was more difficult for teams to add players. And after the fact it sure seemed like there was a deal in place for Adams to come back to the Yankees.
    —————-

    I agree that it seemed like the Yankees and Adams had an understanding about this which is why the team outright released him rather than designating him.

    That said, I still would have cut Cody Eppley first :-)

  144. jacksquat May 23rd, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    ARod should be back roughly on schedule, his first hip surgery was similar and that went fine.

    I think with Tex and Jeter there is more risk of reinjury.

  145. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Chip
    Funny how some folks here(Not you) seem to think they know more
    than Cashman or the Yankees organization regarding the Adams situation.

    The moved worked out and Adams is here on the team and helping them win games.

    If Adams did not injure his ankle last year or if Adams did not injure his back this year, he might have made the team out of ST. You never know!

  146. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    WTP, some here or me? Gotta run, but directness is the best approach. And I have my reasons for questioning it. Later.

  147. Against All Odds May 23rd, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Ys Guy May 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    I don’t think there is much Montero hatred on this board

    ——————————

    I think there are posters that take joy in him failing because it makes his supporters look bad.

  148. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Some here think that Cashman has full power. From many reports, he doesn’t. So he may agree more with those that question some of the Yankees’ decisions.

  149. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Rich, this is a good point. We don’t know who is making some of these decisions. Catch you later.

  150. jacksquat May 23rd, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    But Adams said he had other offers, so not sure that that jives with our hoped for result. Either way, glad he is still ours.

    I know, but that could have just been part of the ruse.

    Even if it wasn’t planned, Adams is 26, old for a prospect, he had hit the DL 3 times for ankle problems, he missed most of spring training because of back problems, his defense at 2B wasn’t highly regarded and 3B was mostly unknown. He hit for good average and obp but not much HR power (good doubles power). Plus the timing was good (bad for other teams). So maybe they felt it was low risk.

  151. Jesus Bustero May 23rd, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    My 11:48 am repost was a response to Luis who replied “You guys are funny” when it was only Mick and I talking about Montero at the time. So by “our” I was talking about Mick and I. It’s disingenuous for anyone to pull out that one word from that post and showcase it rendering the rest of the content-rich post a backdrop. But I expect that. People are flustered. I’m over it, always have been.

  152. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Bret, let’s all try to read each other’s post more conscientiously. It would make Lohud a better place. And no one is flustered, so there is a start. Later.

  153. mick May 23rd, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    why should brett read more conscientiously? where does that come into the picture. He is stating why someone else might have misread his comment.

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