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Yankees win a wild one

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 25, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Vidal Nuno

Lyle Overbay homered in the 11th. Brennan Boesch saved the day in the ninth. Ivan Nova pitched out of trouble, Mariano Rivera got another save, and Vidal Nuno gave the Yankees another strong start. I have to hurry down to the clubhouse, but for now, just trust me, this was a wild one. Yankees win 4-3. Going for a series sweep tomorrow.

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262 Responses to “Yankees win a wild one”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 25th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    I love this team!

    And Nova won the game!! What a hoot!!!

  2. El Yanki May 25th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    What a victory! This is not simple win..it shows that this squad is really resilient,proud and thankful my dad made me a Yankees fan

  3. Captain Clutch May 25th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    I hate to say it but Granderson and Tex would be swinging for homeruns late in this game. This group of guys never tries to do too much. No hero swings. When Tex comes back and he is popping up and hitting everything to 1st base it’s going to have a completely different feel.

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 25th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    That’s why I’m in no hurry to have him back.

  5. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Tex will adapt to this new team’s concept.

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 25th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    mick – I don’t believe it for a minute, but I’m not going to worry about it.

  7. NYY fan in NH May 25th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Nice win there.. 18 saves for Mo already.. that’s insane!

  8. astrocityfan May 25th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Really love this team! The walk overbay worked was even more impressive than the home run! Just a gritty gutty win!

  9. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    I think Tex wants to win and will focus.
    No need for heroes on this team…

  10. tucker May 25th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Maybe Tex can tweet about Overbay’s final two at-bats …

  11. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Captain Clutch May 25th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
    I hate to say it but Granderson and Tex would be swinging for homeruns late in this game. This group of guys never tries to do too much. No hero swings. When Tex comes back and he is popping up and hitting everything to 1st base it’s going to have a completely different feel.

    Good Lord a Home Run won the game! You think he was trying to bloop a single? Is something wrong with Home Runs! I like them. Kind efficient. One swing, game over.

  12. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Juicer Tex needs to shed the superhero costume

  13. tomingeorgia May 25th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Emotionally, maybe the biggest game of the young season. Nuno terrific, and they waited out Moore. Wonderful game, came back late and won it in extras. Fine!

  14. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    soon we will have nunez, tex joba andy cervi & youk back
    boesch nuno brignac romine francisco & ???? gone

    can overbay play a little OF?

  15. El Yanki May 25th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Tex will do fine..my question is what is gonna happen to Overbay when Tex comes back?

  16. Barry May 25th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Captain Clutch:

    Does that mean Overbay did not have a hero swing?….Which would be ridiculous. Have your pets but Tex is a better ball player. All the guys hurt are better then the guys playing their positions. What we have is a terrific “team” assembled by Cashman and designed to compete when the stars go down.

  17. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    the need for youk is diminished as is overbay if adams stays

  18. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    tucker May 25th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
    Maybe Tex can tweet about Overbay’s final two at-bats …

    Teixeira knows how to walk. He averages 84 per 162 game season over his career.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 25th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Have a great night all. And render to the Yankees that which is the Yankees, render to God that which is God’s.

    That means don’t worry, the Yankees will figure things out. Just sit back and enjoy the show.

    LOVE THIS TEAM!!!

    :)

  20. UnKnown May 25th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Told ya. Yanks win. 2 outs down two and called it. Enjoy the rest of the your weekend.

  21. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
    soon we will have nunez, tex joba andy cervi & youk back
    boesch nuno brignac romine francisco & ???? gone

    can overbay play a little OF?

    He played 30 games in the minors.

  22. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    what is logans purpose?
    is he the lefty out of the pen?
    i think not…he is more effective on rightys
    rapada or cabral would be more effective
    i can see nova a big part of this pen if he embraces it
    sort of like what hughes did in 09

  23. Captain Clutch May 25th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Unfortunately Adams will probably get sent back to AAA when Youk comes back. They can release Overbay if they want to but Youk has to be on the roster. They obviously don’t have room for all 3 of these guys plus Tex. It will be interesting to see what happens but it seems like Adams will go down until these guys get hurt again.

  24. CountryClub May 25th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    @ihateprospects: Mariano’s career ERA+ is 206. The difference between Mariano and 2nd place (Pedro) is the same as the difference between 2nd and 618th

  25. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
    Juicer Tex needs to shed the superhero costume

    Do you have some sort of proof of his steroid usage?

  26. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    can overbay play a little OF?

    He played 30 games in the minors.
    ================
    then there is the ANSWER
    this will be the topic of conversation once the reporters read this blog

  27. Pat M. May 25th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    There’s been a few ballplayers that have walked away from the game while being the best. Jimmy Brown, Barry Sanders, Sandy Koufax come to mind. However Mariano Rivera is the best still in the game and he’s walking away at the amazing age of 43…. Just think about that for a moment……

  28. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    CountryClub May 25th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
    @ihateprospects: Mariano’s career ERA+ is 206. The difference between Mariano and 2nd place (Pedro) is the same as the difference between 2nd and 618th

    He’s the best.

  29. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    pat m…those guys walked away b/c of injuries….mo could go to 50 or at least come back after a year off a la andy…

  30. ObviousMan May 25th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Captain clutch,

    You said this team, as currently constructed, would start the year in last place? Remember? Maybe your predictions are just unrealistically negative— wouldn’t be the first for a Yankee fan here to constantly look at the glass as half empty. Yankees are proving their fans wrong with each passing day.

  31. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    if they have a problem with who to cut or send down there could be a trade with logan in it.

  32. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    can overbay play a little OF?

    He played 30 games in the minors.
    ================
    then there is the ANSWER
    this will be the topic of conversation once the reporters read this blog

    For that matter Tex played 32 in the Major Leagues.

  33. ObviousMan May 25th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Mick,

    Logan’s career numbers against lefties are excellent, actually. He could make nice trade bait to a bullpen hungry team like the dodgers when cabral is ready.

  34. tucker May 25th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    “willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
    Captain Clutch May 25th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
    I hate to say it but Granderson and Tex would be swinging for homeruns late in this game. This group of guys never tries to do too much. No hero swings. When Tex comes back and he is popping up and hitting everything to 1st base it’s going to have a completely different feel.

    Good Lord a Home Run won the game! You think he was trying to bloop a single? Is something wrong with Home Runs! I like them. Kind efficient. One swing, game over.”

    The biggest at bat was Overbay’s walk in the Ninth. He took a 2-0 fastball. That is the polar opposite of hero swinging. Swisher or Martin would have corkscrewed themselves half way into the ground on that 2-0 pitch. This year, different team.

  35. Pat M. May 25th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Mick….I think those three were like 30 years old and of course Koufax had an elbow that was killing him……But you get my point about # 42

  36. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Captain Clutch May 25th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
    Unfortunately Adams will probably get sent back to AAA when Youk comes back. They can release Overbay if they want to but Youk has to be on the roster. They obviously don’t have room for all 3 of these guys plus Tex. It will be interesting to see what happens but it seems like Adams will go down until these guys get hurt again.

    Well Adams must have options so that would make sense. At least he’s proven himself and will be back. Or more likely he will be packaged in a trade for a pitcher.

  37. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    they are overloaded in the pen with rapada and cabral pending.
    i can see him logan soon…

  38. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    patm…agreed….mo is a piece of work for sure, would like to face him in stickball tho’

  39. RMS May 25th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Great win for Yanks. And don’t overlook Nix’s defense. He makes plays Nunez and Jeter can’t.

  40. pkyankfan69 May 25th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Logans career #’s are better vs lefties but the last few years his #’s have been quite similar against lefties and righties… He’s a solid reliever but does not dominate lefties anymore.

  41. mick May 25th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    rapada was the lefty specialist last season not logan
    we have rightys that can get leftys out, logan is becoming passe

  42. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    The biggest at bat was Overbay’s walk in the Ninth. He took a 2-0 fastball. That is the polar opposite of hero swinging. Swisher or Martin would have corkscrewed themselves half way into the ground on that 2-0 pitch. This year, different team.

    l
    Last year’s team walked 565 times and were second in the American league. They were second in the major league in OBP. They knew how to walk and walked plenty.

  43. joeman May 25th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    All I see turns to brown, as the sun burns the ground
    And my eyes fill with sand, as I scan this wasted land
    Trying to find, trying to find where I’ve been.

  44. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Pace O Meter = 101

  45. blake May 25th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Man how bout those Yankees…..

  46. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    If they keep Adams up, where does Youk fit?
    With Tex at 1st, youk and overbay become bench players.
    youk would get RH DH but like hafner should not play the field.
    so with a bench of youk, overbay, stewart, nix and hafner that looks good.

  47. Nick in SF May 25th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    How will King Felix pitch tonight without his muse? :neutral:

  48. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    RMS May 25th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
    Great win for Yanks. And don’t overlook Nix’s defense. He makes plays Nunez and Jeter can’t.

    Which plays would those be? Specifically.

  49. pkyankfan69 May 25th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    “so with a bench of youk, overbay, stewart, nix and hafner that looks good.”

    What about Arod?

    Even if the Adams continues to plays well he will end up getting the boot to AAA if the rest of the guys come back healthy at the same time. That said, judging by the way this season has gone though, everyone being healthy at the same time does not feel all that likely.

  50. Marcus May 25th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    There’s some magic her

  51. tucker May 25th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    “willkamm says:
    May 25, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    The biggest at bat was Overbay’s walk in the Ninth. He took a 2-0 fastball. That is the polar opposite of hero swinging. Swisher or Martin would have corkscrewed themselves half way into the ground on that 2-0 pitch. This year, different team.

    l
    Last year’s team walked 565 times and were second in the American league. They were second in the major league in OBP. They knew how to walk and walked plenty.”

    And how many games did last year’s team win after trailing going into the Ninth? Different mindset, different approach.

  52. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    i believe overbay can play left or right , he is a glove man.

  53. Marcus May 25th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    There’s some magic here, boys and girls.

  54. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    this team doesn’t try to do too much like last years.

  55. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    romine and adams could eventually get sent back down
    romine will when cervi gets back barring trades

  56. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Yankees PR Dept. ? @YankeesPR

    Yankees now have 2 wins this season when trailing after 8 innings…had one all of last year & it came on the 2nd to last gm of the year

  57. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    This is what I think will happen and I wish it were different.

    When Youkilis and Teixeira return, Adams will be optioned to AAA, Youkilis will play 3B. Teixeira will play 1B and Overbay will be kept to start against some righties.

    Adams needs to play regularly.

    You can’t bench Youkilis with his 12 M paycheck on account of risk of injury especially when you have Adams as insurance in AAA.

    You can’t bench Tex because of his 23 M paycheck but on account of risk of injury you can’t lose Overbay for nothing because you need the same insurance you have with Youk. So Overbay stays on the roster and his production vs. righties brings him into the lineup using Tex’s wrist as an excuse and a way to soothe his ego.

    Nunez will come back and start at shortstop.

  58. luis May 25th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    tucker May 25th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
    “willkamm says:
    May 25, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    The biggest at bat was Overbay’s walk in the Ninth. He took a 2-0 fastball. That is the polar opposite of hero swinging. Swisher or Martin would have corkscrewed themselves half way into the ground on that 2-0 pitch. This year, different team.

    l
    Last year’s team walked 565 times and were second in the American league. They were second in the major league in OBP. They knew how to walk and walked plenty.”

    And how many games did last year’s team win after trailing going into the Ninth? Different mindset, different approach.

    ====================================

    This are very good posts and points… The other day though they showed me that this team is not as good as last year. As crazy as this may sound, the stats back it up… What I think is happening as some good posters made me see, is that expectations are not as high, therefore this unexpected performance comes as a very welcomed surprise.

    Having said the above, I am having fun watching this team, like I haven’t in quite a while… They are scrappy and gritty… They have lot’s of fight in them… And yes, this team has a much better approach in key cirscumstances

  59. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    I believe there will be a different scenario if Adams is hitiing 350 vs 200.
    If he starts to slide Youk could be given the job back more easily.
    Like most things this season, injuries seem to dictate the scenario, so we have to let it be…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajCYQL8ouqw?

  60. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    And how many games did last year’s team win after trailing going into the Ninth? Different mindset, different approach.

    Good question Tucker. I don’t know how many games they won after trailing going into the ninth. Do you know? How many games has this team won after trailing going into the ninth? I’d be curious to know the answers to both those questions.
    And BTW what is “Hero Swinging”? I googled it and nothing came up.

  61. Nick in SF May 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    “…this team is not as good as last year.”

    Remains to be seen. Could end up being as good or better.

  62. luis May 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Another thing… Nix plays a passable SS… He makes plays that Jeter currently can’t due to age and injuries, but he is nowhere near what Nunez could make if he played regularly…. He has way more range than Nix, a more powerful arm ( although not as educated ) and a better bat

  63. luis May 25th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Nick in SF May 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
    “…this team is not as good as last year.”

    Remains to be seen. Could end up being as good or better.

    =======================

    Yes… They could… I should have said so far… Still, when you see the stats you would be surprised as I was

  64. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    sure they hit more HRs last year but that team was hard to watch…their pitching is better than last year and that makes this new approach more feasible…i believe this team has a better record than last years at this time….i think this team would beat last years team, doesn’t matter what the stats say….they are for glory seekers.

  65. Nick in SF May 25th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    The games are won and lost as the stats come together in symphonic harmony. Right now the Yanks are making beautiful music even with this ragtag collection of players. Who’s to say they won’t get even better?

  66. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Stats come from a distribution of numbers. My theory: The difference between the 2012 offense and the 2013 is the more even distribution of hits/runs etc. The 2012 Yankees compiled much of their firepower in single games against mediocre pitchers. The Orioles proved in 2012 that a small run differential can go a long way if you lose by alot and win by a little. The 2012 Yankees won by alot in games won. This is known as stat-padding. Arod, Tex, Martin and Swisher all do it.

  67. luis May 25th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
    And how many games did last year’s team win after trailing going into the Ninth? Different mindset, different approach.

    Good question Tucker. I don’t know how many games they won after trailing going into the ninth. Do you know? How many games has this team won after trailing going into the ninth? I’d be curious to know the answers to both those questions.
    And BTW what is “Hero Swinging”? I googled it and nothing came up.

    =====================================

    That’s a term I used frequently during last season… It means when a batter doesn’t stay within himself and tries to hit it out, regardless of the pitch that he is hitting… It meant little situational awareness ( for example trying to hit a homerun when all we needed was a fly or a hit ). Very frustrating to watch.

    About the coming from behind wins, I don’t have the stats… But the team is 20-1 if I am not mistaken when is leading after 6 innings… Which means we have a very strong pen and we are winning every game we should be winning… That’s a good formula, since this team’s SP is not going to get blown out very often… We have won an insane amount of close games

  68. jlyanks85 May 25th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    We’re still a better team having tex, youk, arod, Grandy and jeter in the lineup. Lyle Overbay as clutch as he has been, he still has a OBP under .300. That is tough to have in the lineup every game. He is more suited as a role player. Nix and his offense and Ichrio and his under .300 OBP doesn’t help either.

    I love the fight this team has shown and they are very fun to watch. Makes you appreciate the regular season for once with all the star power gone, but we are fooling ourselves if you don’t think we need more offense in the lineup.

  69. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    So David Phelps took Nova’s job despite seniority and counter to some predictions by LoHud regulars.

    Is it possible Pineda could take Hughes’ job?

  70. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    Is it possible Pineda could take Hughes’ job?
    ==============
    Of course.

  71. jlyanks85 May 25th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Maybe Hughes gets traded if Pineda comes in and pitches well?

  72. tucker May 25th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    “Good question Tucker. I don’t know how many games they won after trailing going into the ninth. Do you know? How many games has this team won after trailing going into the ninth? I’d be curious to know the answers to both those questions.
    And BTW what is “Hero Swinging”? I googled it and nothing came up.”

    The answer is zero until Raul Ibanez hit a pinch-hit 9th inning HR vs the Red Sox in a mid- to late-September game. Of course, Raul repeated that against the O’s in the playoffs.

    Last year’s team likely had more talent, but the team was not better in terms of situational hitting. Over bay’s at bat in the ninth was an example of situational hitting. Swisher or Martin would have attempted to hit a 3-run HR with nobody on base and two outs in the Ninth.

  73. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    jlyanks85 May 25th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    We’re still a better team having tex, youk, arod, Grandy and jeter in the lineup. Lyle Overbay as clutch as he has been, he still has a OBP under .300. That is tough to have in the lineup every game. He is more suited as a role player. Nix and his offense and Ichrio and his under .300 OBP doesn’t help either.

    I love the fight this team has shown and they are very fun to watch. Makes you appreciate the regular season for once with all the star power gone, but we are fooling ourselves if you don’t think we need more offense in the lineup.

    You’re preaching to the choir where I’m concerned. I know this isn’t a popular opinion but I believe the regular cast won as much as they have due to their talent level. With respect to that I mean in spite of the manager not because of him.
    This is by far the least talented team he has had. They have played well over their heads. I’m glad they are doing this well but I also believe its not sustainable without more offense.

  74. astrocityfan May 25th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Jesus I agree with you. I’ve had this arguement with friends of mine. Last year’s offense was feast or famine. Streaky hitting made up for bad approaches. You need contact/situational hitting to sustain an offense. This team seems to have more of that than last year’s. I think a healthy youk actually contributes to that. Tex sigh well he is what he is.

  75. Nick in SF May 25th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Pineda has to get some starts — provided he makes it through his rehab assignment and possible AAA time — to show that he can come in and pitch well.

    Who knows what will or would have to happen to afford him that opportunity… but you know they’re going to want to see him starting and really will need to as well to see how he can fit into their 2014 plans.

  76. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Swisher or Martin would have attempted to hit a 3-run HR with nobody on base and two outs in the Ninth.
    ==========
    This is a sign of intelligence as well.
    This team has more baseball IQ than last years.
    They are also less selfish.

  77. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Last year’s team likely had more talent, but the team was not better in terms of situational hitting. Over bay’s at bat in the ninth was an example of situational hitting. Swisher or Martin would have attempted to hit a 3-run HR with nobody on base and two outs in the Ninth.

    And what is your proof of that? Both those guys always had good at bats and took a lot of walks. Both are doing very well this season and helping their teams win.

  78. luis May 25th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
    Stats come from a distribution of numbers. My theory: The difference between the 2012 offense and the 2013 is the more even distribution of hits/runs etc. The 2012 Yankees compiled much of their firepower in single games against mediocre pitchers. The Orioles proved in 2012 that a small run differential can go a long way if you lose by alot and win by a little. The 2012 Yankees won by alot in games won. This is known as stat-padding. Arod, Tex, Martin and Swisher all do it.

    ==========================

    This could be it

  79. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    With respect to that I mean in spite of the manager not because of him.
    ==================
    With respect to Girardi, he didn’t have to manage last years team.
    This year he has done a much better job, because he has to.

  80. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    And you have to factor in emotional chemistry and the energetic effect of it. Whenever a large group of people feel bound to a common cause, like they are all important, like they all have special value, they realize their assets and apply them whenever possible in order to feel the reward for their efforts. When they feel appreciated, they expect this reward. So all the little things they do show up on the field and not in the box score, instances that can’t always be measured with math and when math is applicable, it only scratches the surface of the game.

  81. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    I take the hitting and overall ball playing of guys like Wells, Overbay, Hafner and Youkilis
    over the likes of Swisher and Martin and the bad Tex and Arod any time.

  82. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    Last year’s team likely had more talent, but the team was not better in terms of situational hitting. Over bay’s at bat in the ninth was an example of situational hitting. Swisher or Martin would have attempted to hit a 3-run HR with nobody on base and two outs in the Ninth

    Martin has a .352 career OBP and a 73 walk per 162 game season average. Swisher has a .361 OBP and averages 90 walks per 162 game season. You cannot tell me either of these guys do not work walks. BTW Lyle’s walk rate is lower then both those guys.

  83. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    It’s the game, behind the game, if you will. That’s why I never flocked to the saber crowd. They are programmed to communicate in absolutes. I like the nuances.

  84. mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    They aren’t winning because they walk a lot. They are winning because they have a patient approach and rely less on the HR to win games.
    They have a more diverse talent base and putting up numbers has nothing to do with it.
    Last years team was 1 dimensional. It is a more veteran squad that might be past their prime and not fighting for contracts or already have cushy ones.
    It’s more mental than physical and youthful..

  85. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    mick May 25th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
    I take the hitting and overall ball playing of guys like Wells, Overbay, Hafner and Youkilis
    over the likes of Swisher and Martin and the bad Tex and Arod any time.

    Overall, how many playoffs have Wells, Hafner and Overbay been in?

  86. luis May 25th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Buster,

    I am not much of a stat oriented guy either…. But I believe stats show you trends… And eventually trends will match current performances ( what people call return to the mean )… But we are talking about human beings, so there always an unknown factor ( I call it clutch… The ability to rise to the occation or the ability to never lower your focus if you will )… There is no stat to meassure that… And also there is luck

  87. mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Like I said before…they have a high baseball IQ and they know how to beat you.
    This is where the culture seems to have changed and I think guys like Tex and Grandy will adapt to it.
    There is less pressure on them to be heroes and just blend in to a team concept.
    Last years version was 25 guys 25 cabs.

  88. Jerkface May 25th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Here is the 2013 Yankees run distribution

    48 games
    0 runs 4 times 8%
    1 runs 2 times 4%
    2 runs 5 times 10%
    3 runs 8 times 17%
    4 runs 12 times 25%
    5 runs 6 times 13%
    6 runs 2 times 4%
    7 runs 4 times 8%
    9 runs 2 times 4%
    11 runs 2 times 4%
    14 runs 1 time 2%

    4 runs or less 65% of the time

    2012 Yankees
    0 runs 6 times 4%
    1 runs 12 times 7%
    2 runs 15 times 9%
    3 runs 19 times 12%
    4 runs 23 times 14%
    5 runs 21 times 13%
    6 runs 30 times 19%
    7 runs 10 times 6%
    8 runs 8 times 5%
    9 runs 4 times 2%
    10 runs 7 times 4%
    11 runs 2 times 1%
    12 runs 2 times 1%
    13 runs 1 times .5%
    14 runs 1 time .5%
    15 runs 1 times .5%

    4 runs or less 46% of the time.

    The Yankees are allowing .5 less runs per game on the pitching side than in 2012 and Mariano is perfect.

  89. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

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    It’s the game, behind the game, if you will. That’s why I never flocked to the saber crowd. They are programmed to communicate in absolutes. I like the nuances.

    No I just noticed over time the teams that put up runs win pennants and WS. You are watching a team play way over their heads for less then two months. They play 162 games plus numerous playoff games.

  90. mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Overall, how many playoffs have Wells, Hafner and Overbay been in?
    ======================
    What did Swisher do in the post season?
    aRE you trying to say the above guys will choke in the PS?

  91. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    Like I said before…they have a high baseball IQ and they know how to beat you.
    This is where the culture seems to have changed and I think guys like Tex and Grandy will adapt to it.
    There is less pressure on them to be heroes and just blend in to a team concept.
    Last years version was 25 guys 25 cabs.

    And you don’t think the 1978 Yankees took 25 cabs?

  92. 4TrainNorth May 25th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Look, the bottom line, all stats aside, is that this year’s team is just way cooler than last year’s.

  93. Jerkface May 25th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Hafner already choked in the playoffs .186 .300 .349 .649

  94. luis May 25th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    JF,

    I have a question… How did our pitching ranked last season?

  95. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
    Overall, how many playoffs have Wells, Hafner and Overbay been in?
    ======================
    What did Swisher do in the post season?
    aRE you trying to say the above guys will choke in the PS?

    Absolutely not. I was saying I didn’t think they had ever been there. There may be a reason for that.

  96. mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    And you don’t think the 1978 Yankees took 25 cabs?
    ==================
    No.
    They all hated Reggie.

  97. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Of course teams that “put up runs” win pennants and WS. I never said they lose. I said, the total amount of runs is merely one factor in determining the efficacy of an offense. The distribution of those runs is also important. The 2012 offense was imbalanced by stat padding hero swingers who were selfish and one dimensional thus the offense collectively lacked diversity and could not draw upon a full repertoire to deal with unique situations. This team does a lot of little things right and does so consistently.

    Which particular player on the roster is grossly outperforming his career numbers?

  98. mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    There may be a reason for that.
    ===============
    Many reasons. The most likely is that they were on bad teams, except Youk, who you didn’t mention.

  99. David in Cal May 25th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Suppose the Yanks had never had injury problems this year, that is, Jeter, Teix, ARod, Grandy, Youk, and Cervelli had been with the team full time. If that hypothetical team were playing .625 baseball, I’d have been happy. To see them do it without those stars is hard to understand.

    Will they get even better when (if) these regulars return? Does the current team have some magic chemistry that will be lost when the regular players return? Are the missing regulars over-rated? I guess time will tell.

  100. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    Like I said before…they have a high baseball IQ and they know how to beat you.
    This is where the culture seems to have changed and I think guys like Tex and Grandy will adapt to it.
    There is less pressure on them to be heroes and just blend in to a team concept.
    Last years version was 25 guys 25 cabs.

    Last years version won a WS and went to the playoffs 4 straight years. What’s wrong? Did you expect them to do a mea culpa for getting swept by the Tigers? I have never in my life seen a group of world class winning ballplayers get flogged so much. This is just unreal to me.

  101. mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Last years version won a WS and went to the playoffs 4 straight years.
    ====================
    No. Last years version was not the same team that won in 09.
    This years version has gotten off to a great start and is a totally different team.
    All I’m saying is that the culture has changed, for the better.
    Something like overachievers vs underachievers.
    Numbers vs real value.

  102. luis May 25th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Ok…So if the team is allowing .5 lessruns per game what wouldbe that number if you take out Nova’s starts and Hughes early starts? 1 less run per game?

  103. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    At the very least, the 2013 Yankees have proven you can sustain a 101 win pace for nearly 1/3 a season without a single AB from Swisher, Martin, Tex, Arod and Jeter.

    The only guy from that bunch I miss is Jeter because I have seen him do so many things right to win important games.

    I rarely saw that with the others.

  104. Nick in SF May 25th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Montero triples in Reno. Welcome to the PCL!

  105. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    So please excuse me if I don’t miss those guys yet.

  106. Jerkface May 25th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Ok…So if the team is allowing .5 lessruns per game what wouldbe that number if you take out Nova’s starts and Hughes early starts? 1 less run per game?

    They are allowing 3 runs per game in may

  107. luis May 25th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    I don’t miss them either

  108. mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Kuroda has been better than last year. Phelps better than Freddy.
    Soriano wasn’t Soriano this early , last year. Drob was tried at 1st.

  109. luis May 25th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    3 runs per game? that’s pretty much unsustainable

  110. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
    And you don’t think the 1978 Yankees took 25 cabs?
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    No.
    They all hated Reggie.

    That may be true but if you’ve ever read October Men you know the individual members of that team
    had a chemistry of hating to lose. There were not a bunch of cheerleaders on that squad. They had one thing in common and they hated losing. They were miserable when they lost and they made everyone around them miserable. They had been stars or close too it before 1978 and they had been winners.
    There wasn’t much togetherness on that team. They would rather fight then lose. There are different forms of chemistry. 1998 team had it. They hated to lose. I don’t think this team is quite like those.

  111. luis May 25th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    I am going to call it a night guys…. JF thanks for the info, very enlighteining

  112. mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    This team doesn’t have to score as many runs to win for whatever the reasons.
    Be it better pitching, longer starts , less reliance on the pen, the prescence of Mo.
    Many teams have won with this formula before, maybe not us.
    Great pitching, good fielding and timely hitting beats big hairy monsters every time.

  113. ObviousMan May 25th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Simple… Better defense… MUCH better outfield defense. Doubles a d triples instead drop for outs this year. Underrated…

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  115. mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    There wasn’t much togetherness on that team. They would rather fight then lose. There are different forms of chemistry. 1998 team had it. They hated to lose. I don’t think this team is quite like those.
    ===================
    I never compared this team to those.
    They had Munson, Nettles, Pinella, they were not #’s guys.
    They were tight with each other so don’t know where you say they fought with each other.
    Maybe an idiot like Cliff Johnson threw a punch at Gossage but they were a team and if not for Reggie I doubt you could classify them as untogether.

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    Wilkamm, here is the link on The first game the 2012 Yankees won after trailing going into the Ninth. It was the last week of the season:

    http://www.baseballnation.com/.....t-playoffs

    Granderson led off with a single, and then Raul Ibanez came on to pinch-hit for Nunez. Ibanez ended up depositing Bailey’s offering just over the right field wall, tying the game at 3. Bailey continued to struggle through the inning, loading the bases before sitting down in favor of Mark Melancon, who was able to put out the fire and send the game to extra innings.

    The teams traded zeroes until the bottom of the 12th. With two on and two out, Ibanez rapped an opposite-field single to score the winning run. It was the Yankees’ first win this season in a game during which they trailed after the eighth inning. They had lost 58 straight such games so far this season.

  118. ObviousMan May 25th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Yankee fans,

    Weren’t you negative about the team’s chances at the beginning of the year. Almost at June 1 in first place. Team still far from healthy. Crow, anyone?:)

  119. Jesus Bustero May 25th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    My best friend predicted the basement and I said 2nd place and Wild Card behind the Blue Jays. I give him heII about it whenever we talk Yankees. He’s glad he was wrong.

  120. jlyanks85 May 25th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Most Yankees fans thought we weren’t even going to make the playoffs this year or be .500 with all these injuries. Now people are going as far as saying we’re better off without the injured players coming back.

    Amazing what a good start to a season does to a fans mindset, especially yankee fans.

  121. mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    I remember Randy asking me how I felt they would do and I said they could go all the way.

    NEXT===>>>

  122. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    jlyanks85 May 25th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Most Yankees fans thought we weren’t even going to make the playoffs this year or be .500 with all these injuries.

    Congratulations on making the playoffs.

  123. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    mick May 25th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    There wasn’t much togetherness on that team. They would rather fight then lose. There are different forms of chemistry. 1998 team had it. They hated to lose. I don’t think this team is quite like those.
    ===================
    I never compared this team to those.
    They had Munson, Nettles, Pinella, they were not #’s guys.
    They were tight with each other so don’t know where you say they fought with each other.
    Maybe an idiot like Cliff Johnson threw a punch at Gossage but they were a team and if not for Reggie I doubt you could classify them as untogether.

    Read October Men by Roger Kahn. Quotes facts. You go a lot by your perception and the way you want things to be. You’re easy to read. I know different. Your perception versus the facts. Sorry. They were not a tight team. Very diverse personalities. Tension every day and a racist alcoholic manager.

  124. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Wilkamm, here is the link on The first game the 2012 Yankees won after trailing going into the Ninth. It was the last week of the season:

    http://www.baseballnation.com/…..t-playoffs

    Granderson led off with a single, and then Raul Ibanez came on to pinch-hit for Nunez. Ibanez ended up depositing Bailey’s offering just over the right field wall, tying the game at 3. Bailey continued to struggle through the inning, loading the bases before sitting down in favor of Mark Melancon, who was able to put out the fire and send the game to extra innings.

    The teams traded zeroes until the bottom of the 12th. With two on and two out, Ibanez rapped an opposite-field single to score the winning run. It was the Yankees’ first win this season in a game during which they trailed after the eighth inning. They had lost 58 straight such games so far this season.

    Okay big deal. they still won the AL East. When these guys do the same thing they will be as good. I don’t care when the game is won. As long as it’s won.

  125. willkamm May 25th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    There wasn’t much togetherness on that team. They would rather fight then lose. There are different forms of chemistry. 1998 team had it. They hated to lose. I don’t think this team is quite like those.
    ===================
    I never compared this team to those.
    They had Munson, Nettles, Pinella, they were not #’s guys.
    They were tight with each other so don’t know where you say they fought with each other.
    Maybe an idiot like Cliff Johnson threw a punch at Gossage but they were a team and if not for Reggie I doubt you could classify them as untogether.

    Never said they fought with each other. They would fight the other team if need be.

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