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Yankees pregame: injuries and the roster

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on May 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Of course, the Yankees’ pregame chatter had much to do about injuries. Both Mark Teixeira and Kevin Youkilis played seven innings in the field and both went 0 for 2 with a walk in their first rehab game with Trenton today. Barring anything hurting after tomorrow’s rehab game, both are expected back for the start of the Red Sox series here Friday night.

Joe Girardi isn’t exactly sweating over messing up the chemistry. He called that talk “kind of strange.” Just bring back those bats, so he can balance out the lineup, especially vs. lefties.

“We’re so left-handed dominant,” Girardi said. “We’re running up six lefties in a row tonight, seven out of nine. (Their return) changes our lineup a little bit, makes it harder to navigate through. But it’s also experience and a lot of production that we’re bringing back.”

Curtis Granderson had a pin placed in his broken knuckle today.

“The surgery does not change (anything),” Girardi said. “It’s basically four weeks of inactivity and then you go from there. You can’t expect him to go four weeks  of inactivity and be in a game the next day. So the healing process, the time doesn’t change. They just decided it was better to put a pin in there. Four weeks, he’ll start doing rehab.”

Girardi confirmed Andy Pettitte is expected back early next week if his trapezius is feeling OK, and he talked about cutting back from 13 to 12 pitchers. The Yankees will probably need two roster spots Friday and then one for Pettitte. So Vidal Nuno, who will start for Pettitte tomorrow night, figures to be one of the guys going to make room for Teixeira or Youkilis.

I spoke with Lyle Overbay when the clubhouse opened and he’s hoping to stay, even in a reserve role. And he should stay considering he’s second on the team in RBI with 29, nine of them driving in the go-ahead run. So it could come down to David Adams vs. Reid Brignac Friday. Your thoughts? And Nova for when Pettitte comes back? Hard to send down Preston Claiborne or Adam Warren with how they’ve pitched. We’ll see.

Also, Derek Jeter is on the field playing catch.

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263 Responses to “Yankees pregame: injuries and the roster”

  1. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 29th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Repost:

    Hassey May 29th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    “Rangers fired Torts?”

    Apparently they did. D’aaang!! I was expecting it until yesterday when Francesa said that despite his unpopularity, he’d not be fired. If Torts and Overbay both lose their jobs this week, I might cry.

  2. Abe Peterham May 29th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    At least grandy got the surgery faster than arod did…
    Another week or two they can schedule tex and youk for the knife..

  3. jacksquat May 29th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Tex better hit the ground running. He wants to come back this fast, no excuses. None. I don’t want to hear about “no spring training”, “takes longer because he’s a switch hitter”, blah blah blah.

  4. jacksquat May 29th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Meredith Marakovits ? @M_Marakovits
    Adams taking reps at SS during BP.. First time I can remember that happening. With that being said Wells was at 2nd #takeitwithagrainofsalt

    Good.

  5. Tackelberry May 29th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Still figures to be Adams that goes down so that he can continue to play every day. Brignac more suited to utility role plus can play multiple positions.

  6. G. Love May 29th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    jacksquat,

    I think Tex has the most pressure of his career as a Yankee right now. He may be oblivious to it, but fans have long memories and the fact that he’s always armed with an excuse for why he’s not living up to his contract (“I’m overpaid”, “I take awhile to get my timing down”, “Been hiding an injury”, “I have a cough”, etc).

    They don’t have Arod to boo. They won’t boo Cano.

    But Tex will hear it if he keeps up his .700 OPS against RHP of the past 3 years. The balloon’s about to burst and Girardi is going to be spinning like a top in post game pressers defending him if he doesn’t step it up.

    Hopefully, all the focus on his rapid decline will mean he’ll be better than the past 3 years against righties. I don’t know if it’s gotten to him, but it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to see the numbers Overbay is putting up vs RHP dwarf what Tex has done here of late.

  7. jacksquat May 29th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    It will be Nix before Brignac (staying).

  8. mick May 29th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    This will be the announcement:

    “Tex is having trouble with his LH swing.
    For the time being he will be the RH 1B/DH.”
    (we might have brought him up too soon)

  9. mick May 29th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    G. Love-Glad you are still with us.
    Reports were you were now a “random” poster.

  10. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 29th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    “I think Tex has the most pressure of his career as a Yankee right now. He may be oblivious to it…”

    I highly doubt he’s oblivious to it. He may be a huge nimrod, but he’s not a moron.

  11. luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    G Love,

    Good to see you man.. I wish you posted more often around this parts

    About Tex,

    They are kind of rushing him ( Not that I particularly want him around ;) ) … And yes, they aree going to say no ST, SH and all that stuff… I wouldn’t hold my breath on Tex’s numbers improve against RHP… If you ask me, he should just bat right handed, he would do better even if the homers come down a bit.

  12. mick May 29th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    If Tex does not produce while Game Overbay sits, this blog will make the Montero trade look like a mime act.

  13. jacksquat May 29th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    I think Tex fully expects his full time job back and hasn’t doubted for a minute he’d get it. I am certain he has no idea what Overbay’s numbers are vs rhp, or possibly even his own. Like he said himself, all he cares about is 30/100 and defense. Hitting .220 vs rhp doesn’t seem to phase him.

  14. Frankg May 29th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Need right handers? Send down Boesch, release Flores, call up Neal or Mustelier.

  15. mick May 29th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    That would be the move right there, Adams to SS.
    Why not?
    He plays 3B and 2B, give him a game at SS, let’s see….

  16. Jerkface May 29th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Need right handers? Send down Boesch, release Flores, call up Neal or Mustelier.

    Why would they release Flores? He is one of their top prospects

  17. mick May 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    I highly doubt he’s oblivious to it. He may be a huge nimrod, but he’s not a moron.
    ==============
    Tex is in here everyday checking how his tweet/ads look…

  18. luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    jacksquat May 29th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
    I think Tex fully expects his full time job back and hasn’t doubted for a minute he’d get it. I am certain he has no idea what Overbay’s numbers are vs rhp, or possibly even his own. Like he said himself, all he cares about is 30/100 and defense. Hitting .220 vs rhp doesn’t seem to phase him.

    ==========================

    You know what scares me?… We won’t have many blow out games, so he can pad his stats ( 30, 100)… Therefore I don’t expect that kind of production from him… I can see his avg going even lower than previous seasons along with his homer and RBI’s totals

  19. UpState May 29th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    jacksquat May 29th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
    Meredith Marakovits ? @M_Marakovits
    Adams taking reps at SS during BP.. First time I can remember that happening. With that being said Wells was at 2nd #takeitwithagrainofsalt

    ===================================

    Been saying all along that Adams should be working at SS.
    Good move.
    Makes him more valuable.
    Best offensive choice we have to date.
    Can’t be worse defensively than our DL friend.

  20. luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Jerkface May 29th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    Need right handers? Send down Boesch, release Flores, call up Neal or Mustelier.

    Why would they release Flores? He is one of their top prospects

    ==================

    Not only that… he is one of the most advanced as well, with the right batting approach as well

  21. jlyanks85 May 29th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    We talk about Tex’s numbers, but Overbay isn’t exactly a guy who should be playing everyday either. As clutch as he has been, his OBP is awful and is awful vs lefties.

  22. mick May 29th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Here’s some good news:

    Bryan Hoch @BryanHoch

    Today was the first day Jeter has been cleared to play catch. Could start fielding grounders and hitting soon.
    =====================================
    Yanks play today and win today and tomorrow, dassit……

  23. G. Love May 29th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    mick & luis,

    Over the weekend my wife & I adopted an 8 week old black lab girl from Guiding Eyes for the Blind (she didn’t pass her guide dog tests) and it’s been nuts in my house. We already have a 4yo Yellow Lab from them who is wonderful. He’s been miserable since we brought her home though and she has been keeping us up all night in her crate. Today is the first day I’ve been able to sit at my computer since we brought the puppy home.

  24. Pat M. May 29th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    jacksquat…..I think ( and hope ) that the Yanks want to keep Adams in the lineup someway….

  25. mick May 29th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    G Love- I wish you and your new familydog well.

    Exaggerations of your blog demise were in error.

  26. Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    G Love, was that some kind of metaphor for Tex batting LH?

  27. luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    G. Love May 29th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    mick & luis,

    Over the weekend my wife & I adopted an 8 week old black lab girl from Guiding Eyes for the Blind (she didn’t pass her guide dog tests) and it’s been nuts in my house. We already have a 4yo Yellow Lab from them who is wonderful. He’s been miserable since we brought her home though and she has been keeping us up all night in her crate. Today is the first day I’ve been able to sit at my computer since we brought the puppy home.

    =============================

    Congrats on the new family member… Glad to see you around

  28. jacksquat May 29th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Upstate, I’ve been saying they should get him some practice at ss also, see if he can be near as good as nix.

  29. berniebaseball May 29th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    I know Cano is a 2B and would prefer not to move, but can he volunteer his services at SS to help the team out once a week? I know Adams would have no issue trying it, but it would really go a long way to establish himself as a team leader if Cano would step up. Neither he nor Adams can be worse than Nunie. In this scenario I’m fine with Nix and Adams/Cano as backup. Girardi can mix & match & put a good lineup out there every day.

  30. luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    The question IMO is…. After the ankle injury, if Adams doesn’t have enough range for 2nd, what makes you guys think that he has range for SS a clearly more demanding position?

  31. berniebaseball May 29th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    That’s why I think Cano should step up. He’s a great athlete and he does have range. You can’t be afraid of him getting injured by playing SS once a week.

  32. Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Is there any statistical evidence that Tex’s homers came in non-pressure blowout situations at a greater-than average rate? If that’s a quantifiable thing.

  33. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 29th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    The guys (Singleton and Leiter maybe?) were saying the other night how he has the build/look of a third baseman, with which I totally agree. This made me wonder why they kept him at second until recently (and yes, I am familiar with the concern about his arm strength), knowing that he’d be stuck behind Robbie for the rest of the decade. But, I don’t see why they couldn’t at least give him a shot at SS…as has been said, he couldn’t be any worse defensively than young Eduardo.

  34. Captain Clutch May 29th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Cashman was just on Francesa. He asked him if it’s possible that Adams stays on the roster when Youk and Tex come back and Cashman said he isn’t going anywhere. He said they need him here to fill in at 3rd base and play against lefties. So that was good news.

  35. mick May 29th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    If Youkilis came up and were able to play the rest of the season at 3rd without getting injured, until at least arod came back, dont you think they would do it?

    If Adams went down and played everyday, SS or 3B, until and if they needed him again,
    dont you think they would?

    I don’t care what they do as long as they keep winning…

  36. jacksquat May 29th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Adams doesn’t have to be good at ss, just close enough to nix that his bat makes him a better choice.

    Kind of like not having to be faster than the bear, just faster than the other guy. ;)

  37. tbone1570 May 29th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    The question IMO is…. After the ankle injury, if Adams doesn’t have enough range for 2nd, what makes you guys think that he has range for SS a clearly more demanding position?

    ============================

    Not only range, but does he also have the arm?

  38. UpState May 29th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    The question IMO is…. After the ankle injury, if Adams doesn’t have enough range for 2nd, what makes you guys think that he has range for SS a clearly more demanding position?
    =====================================

    If we want “D”….go with Brignac.
    If we want “O” ….try Adams.
    Nix to Utility (where he’s supposed to be – and does well at it)
    Nunez…not the answer, has pedestrian range

  39. Jerkface May 29th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Is there any statistical evidence that Tex’s homers came in non-pressure blowout situations at a greater-than average rate? If that’s a quantifiable thing.

    We could look at leverage or whatever. 2012: 7/10/7 high/medium/low and his batting lines actually got worse as you got into greater run differentials. 2011: 5/11/23, and he hit the same with any run differential except for tied (he was really good).

    Just looking at 2012/2011, it would be unfair to say Tex pads his stats in blow outs. He tends to hit HRs more in tied or 1 run difference games.

  40. mick May 29th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Cano will start to hit again when the pressure is relieved.
    He doesn’t relish in carrying the team.
    Tex and Youk should help.

  41. Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Thank you, Jerkface. So it’s possible that luis’ fears about Tex are unfounded. Only time will tell.

  42. Captain Clutch May 29th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Danny Knobler ?@DannyKnoblerCBS

    Red Sox announce that Buchholz won’t start Friday after all. Morales tomorrow, Lester Friday, Doubront Saturday, TBA Sunday.

  43. Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Lester Friday? Bring on right Tex and Youk and Vernon and where is Adams gonna play???

  44. Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Youk DH and Adams at 3rd on Friday, Tex at 1st, Vernon in LF. Doh.

  45. luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    No Nick… I don’t believe there is one stat… But if you watch his splits, he doesn’t do well against good teams, while he pounds the lesser teams… So you can infer that usually his homers come against not so very good teams… Ofcourse, in the end is all about perception in my case

    BA SLG OPS Team
    207 345 552 Texas
    179 256 478 Detroit

    That’s against both Division champs in 2012 and it’s at both sides of the plate

  46. G. Love May 29th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Nick,

    Can’t believe you saw through my metaphor. You are Clouseau.

  47. luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Tbone,

    Good point… But I would say that he may have enough arm to make most plays

  48. yankeehotelfoxtrot May 29th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    “Cashman said he isn’t going anywhere. He said they need him here to fill in at 3rd base and play against lefties. So that was good news.”

    So I guess that means that Overbay is gone, unless he can play some outfield and then Boesch is gone.

  49. luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    G. Love May 29th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
    Nick,

    Can’t believe you saw through my metaphor. You are Clouseau.

    ======================

    Wow! a metaphor? Now you got me here G Love…

  50. Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    luis, please see commenter Jerkface’s reply above.

    Good teams/bad teams is a little different from close game/blowout stat-padding.

  51. luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Nick,

    And i know they are sss…. So I could be wrong

  52. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    My thoughts????? Adams HAS to stay – can he play ShortStop AT ALL???????

    Bummed.

  53. luis May 29th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    I read it Nick… Good post JF and thank you… Perception is not always reliable…Still…

    His overall OPS has been declining steadily for 4 seasons… What would make you think that those tendencies will reverse?

  54. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    And then I read Jacksquat’s post with the tweet about Adams taking balls at short. It would only be to back up Nix if he had to, right?

    Oh, I am so glad I don’t have to make these decisions. But Adams is a good hitter and they need offense and he hasn’t embarrassed himself in the field at all….

    Yuck! (LOL)

  55. luis May 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Doreen,

    Girly expressions? ;)

  56. Niblick May 29th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Don’t worry – Joe and Brian will pick Brignac over Adams because of his major league experience, sucky though it may be.

  57. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    I watched the Joe Girardi manager show this past weekend. I used to watch it all the time, now I just watch it now and then.

    But, he seemed truly excited about the young players – the pitchers and Adams. I don’t remember what exactly he said, but his entire demeanor was one of excitement and anticipation of what these guys will do for this team.

  58. ron May 29th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    I’d get rid of nunno,nova,brignac,and keep overbay,adams,nix.
    Also to get to 12 pitchers,wich is ideal,13 is to much,we need to send two pitchers down.
    But sending adams down is not out of the question,as he is only 3 for his last 17 ab,and his ops dropped to .744

  59. comnsnse May 29th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Claiborne goes down, with Joba’s return there are enough RH relievers.

    Bringnac is DFA when Nunez come back, Nix is the better reserve.

    The infield situation may become academic because Youkilis may fold again and hit the IR.

    Tough to keep Overbay if Tex can go every day, unless they let Tex get his feet wet at DH for a week and retain Overbay for that time.

    This would be a disaster since Tex $ are formidable for yet a few years.

    OF situation sucks and Ichiro is an albatross, but when “someone” gave him two years…..insert gag here!

    Wells coming back to earth but the biggest surprise is Cano whose pitch recognition , balance and timing are beyond explanation.

    I’m sure Long has spent countless hours with video and his suggestions while Robbie smiles and spits seeds! ;)

  60. Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    “His overall OPS has been declining steadily for 4 seasons… What would make you think that those tendencies will reverse?”

    No reason, but that is a separate question from that of stat-padding in blowouts. So we can look at his decline with concern for the future, we are not presently compelled to worry that his decline will be exacerbated by lack of production in close games due to a team decline in offense leading to fewer blowouts.

    Maybe closer games will lead to a rise in the percentage of Tex homers that help the team win games?

  61. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    I have an issue with this “stat padding” mantra that goes on here.

    So, tell me. What is a guy supposed to do? The impression I get is that stat padding is when a guy gets HRs and RBi when the team is already ahead, is that correct?

    So, is he supposed to stop trying to hit?

    Most of the time, those blowout games are because the other team’s pitching is really really YUCKY. Is a guy like Tex or ARod supposed to say, gee, other team, we already have so many runs, we are just going to stand here and let you strike us out/take a weak swing and ground out to short/pop the ball up?

    Many of you talk about run differential. All you need to win a game is one more run that your opponent. Anything else is stat padding, no???

    I think it’s an argument used against players that people just don’t like. And Tex is the new chew toy.

  62. tbone1570 May 29th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Tbone,

    Good point… But I would say that he may have enough arm to make most plays

    =====================================

    I hope he can pull it off, it would be nice to be able to have that option at SS. Based on his history, I’m afraid it likely won’t work out.

  63. comnsnse May 29th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    How and where does Adams fit if we have Tex& Youk in the everyday line up?

    And until Nunez comes back healthy, Nix and Brignac can platoon at short.

  64. luis May 29th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    “Maybe closer games will lead to a rise in the percentage of Tex homers that help the team win games?”

    ========================

    That’s what JF post suggests… So could be… I wonder how many of those homers where batting LH as opposed to RH

  65. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Or, how about this, does stat padding help the team by allowing the bullpen to rest or giving the starting pitcher breathing room?

    No?

    No value at all?

  66. luis May 29th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
    I have an issue with this “stat padding” mantra that goes on here.

    So, tell me. What is a guy supposed to do? The impression I get is that stat padding is when a guy gets HRs and RBi when the team is already ahead, is that correct?

    So, is he supposed to stop trying to hit?

    Most of the time, those blowout games are because the other team’s pitching is really really YUCKY. Is a guy like Tex or ARod supposed to say, gee, other team, we already have so many runs, we are just going to stand here and let you strike us out/take a weak swing and ground out to short/pop the ball up?

    Many of you talk about run differential. All you need to win a game is one more run that your opponent. Anything else is stat padding, no???

    I think it’s an argument used against players that people just don’t like. And Tex is the new chew toy.

    =====================

    Can’t argue with this… Good post… I stand corrected and probably used the term incorrectly

    And yes… I am not a Tex fan

  67. Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    We are married to Tex.

    Let’s support him… for the children.

  68. Niblick May 29th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Worst scenario is the Yanks activate Tex, cut Overbay, and then Tex re-injures his wrist. I wonder what the over/under is for the number of games before that happens.

  69. comnsnse May 29th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Cashman is related to Glen Sather.

    A.) duplicitous
    b.) will do as he’s told.
    c.) gazes at his paycheck with undisguised glee!

  70. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    And, oh, I’m sorry that Tex was candid about whatever his ailments were. He did play. And he did bust it. And he didn’t go on and on about them. Just said what was going on.

    I was keeping quiet, but I can’t. It’s like overkill anymore.

    It’s like every year there is seriously a new whipping boy. ARod is not around, Martin is gone. Who’s left? Oh, Tex and Granderson. The team’s best power hitters.

    Not saying Tex is perfect or doesn’t have his hitting problems. Just saying sometimes people talk about him like he’s some hack with no value.

  71. luis May 29th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
    We are married to Tex.

    Let’s support him… for the children.

    =====================

    I will support him while playing for the Yankees… But I am not very hopeful and probably will need a bunch of anti-acids to ease the heartburn of watching his at bats as a LH hitter

  72. Jesus Bustero May 29th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Most games you’d have Adams on the bench, Youkilis 3B, Hafner DH and Tex 1B

    However, versus some righties you’d have Adams at 3B, Hafner DH and Overbay 1B.

    Against lefties you could play Adams at 3B, Youk DH and Tex 1B.

  73. Niblick May 29th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    JB – in order to do that, you’d have to have 11 pitchers on the team, and I’m afraid the Binder would self-destruct if that were even considered.

  74. Jesus Bustero May 29th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    When Jeter returns you could have Nunez on the bench and get rid of Nix to free a more permanent space for Adams. When Granderson returns, you could simply cut Francisco and demote Boesch.

  75. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    I will no longer put my two cents in on Tex. Just wanted my say out there. I don’t really want anyone to gang up on me. Let’s chalk it up to the 88 degree heat and like 1,000% percent humidity at the Thunder game today. :)

    I am not unaware that Tex’s hitting is different than when he first came here. He is not hitting for average as he once did and it can’t all be chalked up to the shift. But I just really don’t like what seem like character assassinations.

    I know not everyone likes every player, or likes every player in the same way or for the same reasons.

    You all know how it is here. You scroll past a subject you disagree with 1,000 times, but on time 1,001, well, you just cant’ stop your finger from moving the mouse to the “submit comment” button! :)

  76. luis May 29th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
    And, oh, I’m sorry that Tex was candid about whatever his ailments were. He did play. And he did bust it. And he didn’t go on and on about them. Just said what was going on.

    I was keeping quiet, but I can’t. It’s like overkill anymore.

    It’s like every year there is seriously a new whipping boy. ARod is not around, Martin is gone. Who’s left? Oh, Tex and Granderson. The team’s best power hitters.

    Not saying Tex is perfect or doesn’t have his hitting problems. Just saying sometimes people talk about him like he’s some hack with no value.

    ==================
    This is an overkill Doreen… And yes, he has value, no doubt about it, but he is not worth the contract he signed…. This is hindering the team ( payroll flexibility wise )… Top that with his inability to adjust or recognize his shortcomings… But as Nick said, whether we like it or not, we are married to the guy for a few more years, so let’s hope for the best… But I am not holding my breath

  77. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    If everyone gets healthy and no one else gets injured or if our “favorites” keep doing well, this team has a real problem until September. :)

  78. luis May 29th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    tbone1570 May 29th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    luis May 29th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Tbone,

    Good point… But I would say that he may have enough arm to make most plays

    =====================================

    I hope he can pull it off, it would be nice to be able to have that option at SS. Based on his history, I’m afraid it likely won’t work out.

    =================================

    Yup…

  79. Nick in SF May 29th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    If only we could re-cut Francisco for each new returning player. :neutral:

  80. Bo knows May 29th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    I just want to see Gardy as the zapped cat again, (kudos to Trisha) and Murphy, murphing in the corner – murph with a hiccup.

  81. G. Love May 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Doreen,

    No one’s going to gang up on you. Least of all me. I’m not a Tex fan for my own reasons mainly the RHP decline and the rampant excuses you don’t normally hear out of great Yankees for decline, but that doesn’t mean he’s worthless.

    I do think he makes us better from the right side of the plate a ton and our D will still be very strong at 1b.

    Other than that, I see a lot of flaws that get covered up by the guaranteed contract and the need to pretend he’s a middle of the order force when he no longer is.

    He’d bat 6th-7th on a Yankee team 10 years ago. I know it’s not 10 years ago, but they’d never bat a .230 hitting guy 4th back in the day and tell us he’s an all star.

  82. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

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    The contract is a moot point for me. It’s signed. It’s done. It was market value at the time, or at least, it was what the Yankees thought Mark Teixeira was worth to them. There’s nothing you can do about it. Plus, the money you sign for does not guarantee that you are going to continue to put up the same numbers. It’s just the money a team thought you were worth paying so no one else could sign you.

    NO ONE in baseball is worth the money they make, and that includes base pay of $300,000.

  83. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    G Love -

    I agree that the contract a guy signs gives him more “status” for lack of a better word. No team is going to bench a guy with a contract like Tex’ unless he is literally doing nothing.

    ARod still has job when he comes back. He will displace whoever is playing third, no matter how that guy is doing at the time.

    BUT it’s not the player’s fault.

    And there is no way it’s ever going to be any different because the MLBPA will never agree to a contract that has, again, for lack of a better word, “disincentives,” i.e. you LOSE money for not hitting certain benchmarks.

  84. tbone1570 May 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

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    I will no longer put my two cents in on Tex. Just wanted my say out there. I don’t really want anyone to gang up on me.

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    Doreen, it’s not my intention to “gang up” on you for your view on Tex, but I’ve heard that he doesn’t have the best reputation in the sport for being a “gamer”.

  85. G. Love May 29th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    I just don’t see the contract as a moot point. If he wasn’t making 23 million for the next bunch of years, they’d happily platoon him with a 1b who could OPS 800 or higher. That’s where the contract comes into play.

  86. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Just one last thing, and then, I’ll drop it. If Tex or ARod didn’t play hard when they played, I’d have a problem. I can’t recall any recent Yankee player who doesn’t play hard overall, and put in the work.

  87. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    One last last thing. LOL

    I guess I shouldn’t have used the term “ganging up.” What I meant was, I didn’t want to be given the other other side of it (because it’s been said here many times before and I’m aware of it). It was too negative a term.

    The End.

    :)

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    Doreen,

    That’s where we differ. I do think the players have some culpability when they decline as young as Tex. Maybe I’m wrong though. It just seems like he stopped being the complete hitter he was prior to 2010 in a flash and that was that.

    He knows he’s smashing into the shift and he just doesn’t care. He wants to be a dead pull hitter to get the HR’s.

    If anything, guys like Arod and Jeter have changed their strokes at times to get going whereas I feel as a fan Tex won’t hear of it. He leaves a ton of runners on in situations where a sac fly would win games for us. I expect a lot out of the kind of hitter he was and was paid to be.

  89. luis May 29th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Got to go…. But Doreen, we may not agree, but I respect you a great deal… Again, you are a very good poster… I am glad to have you around.

    About your last post… The problem with those contracts is that you are basically paying for past performances… And yes the Yankees thought that he was worth that much… Unfortunately, he gave us just one year of peak performance… One out of eight ( Yikes!! I hope this is not a girly term ;) )

    About contract worth, it is basically set by the market… I believe in the free market.. So I think they are worth it as long as people are willing to pay those crazy prices to watch them.

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  91. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    G Love,

    But, you can’t do anything about that contract. And a team’s blind faith that says, well, this guy was good enough for that contract, he will produce. And the thing is, a player will go on a hot streak and reaffirm that blind faith.

    What I mean is, you can’t hold a contract against a player. You should hold it against the team. But this is today’s baseball. Until or unless contracts are constructed differently, the higher paid player will play until it is too obvious that he can’t.

    In the minor leagues, the guy who signed the bigger contract and/or who as signed in a lower round also gets preferential treatment over a guy signed later in the draft, even if the later drafted guy is doing better. The money has to be justified by playing the player/giving him every opportunity to show he was worth the money.

    But any attempt to change the way contracts are drawn up will be met with collusion allegations, or in any event blocked by the MLBPA.

    Not saying the system should go back to the dark ages, by the way, but there’s got to be a better way.

    Won’t happen as long as baseball is flush with money.

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    If its fair to compliment gamers like Jeter, then its fair to criticize overpaid, self-absorbed players like Teixeira.

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    Yikes! is worse then Yucky! LOL ;)

    YES!! That’s why it’s not worth arguing that a guy isn’t worth his contract. He will almost NEVER be worth it. A handful of guys end up those long term contracts with people saying, yeah, worth it! And even those guys diminished over time or had bad years.

  94. ron May 29th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    We only have 12 position players,13 pitchers,so with youk,and tex coming back,we have to send down one pitcher,one position player to have 12 pitchers,and 13 position players.Nunno is the obvious pitchers after his start,and nova is the obvious pitcher when pettitte comes back.
    We do not need 2 long relief pitchers,and everybody else deserves it more than nova.
    The big question is,what position player goes?
    I would not get rid of overbay.He is number one on the list I keep,even before adams,nis,brignac.Brignac is a lh ss,so that makes sending him down a little tougher,and adams does not play ss,plus he has cooled off.But brignac is batting .216/ops at .579 against righties so he might be my choice,before adams,and nix.
    Nix will be the hardest to send down because he can play 3b,ss,2b.

    So it is between adams,and brignac.

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  96. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    G. Love -

    Tex said he made an effort early last year, and maybe it wasn’t an all out effort, we’ll never really know that, but he said he felt it made him an even worse hitter.

    I don’t pretend to know what it takes to be a major league player or a baseball player at all. I’d guess that for some guys it’s easier to make adjustments than others.

    I will say, I do not understand how a guy who used to hit to all fields just stopped being able to do it so quickly, but a similar thing happened to Giambi. Is the short porch THAT attractive?

    For one thing, they’ve already signed THE contract. Making more money than God.

    I think Cano is HR happy now, too. I feel like the best/worst thing that ever happened to him was that HR hitting contest..

  97. tbone1570 May 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Doreen,

    Hate to make you feel that all players are even more grossly overpaid, but the minimum salary is now around $500K per year!

    I agree, players are overpaid, but it’s really the owner fault. We make a lot about A-Rod’s contract, but if you find someone dumd enough to offer you that kind of money you don’t turn it down!

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  100. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    As for the nonchalant statements. I take everything ballplayers say with a grain of salt. I don’t know them. I don’t know whether they sit at home with their wives/friends/families analyzing their performance; I don’t know if they lose sleep over the things that don’t go right. Sometimes people say things that sound like they’re over confident, when actually it’s the opposite. Sometimes not.

    We don’t know. So I TRY to take things lightly. I don’t always succeed, not by a longshot!

  101. Doreen May 29th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    tbone1570 -

    Yep! Who would be turning down those contract offers?????

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