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Pregame notes: Nuno gets one more (one last?) turn in the rotation

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This would seem to be the final Vidal Nuno start before the Yankees begin to significantly reconstruct their roster. Joe Girardi said this afternoon that David Phelps will stay in the rotation, and Andy Pettitte said he’s expecting to return to the rotation on Monday.

That seems to leave little room for Nuno, who’s pitched very well in his limited opportunities. He coughed up that walkoff homer in Baltimore, but it’s hard to find much fault with his other appearances.

“He’s just got a great idea what he’s doing out there,” Pettitte said. “He doesn’t try to do too much. He doesn’t overthrow. He can change speeds and he’s locating the ball very well. The other thing is, obviously, these guys haven’t seen him so they don’t have a good idea what he’s doing. He’s very confident and he’s very aggressive. He’s done a great job for us. He’s going to be able to stick around for a long time if he continues to throw strikes and change speeds the way that he’s doing.”

With Pettitte basically ready to return, and Nuno starting tonight, it makes sense for Nuno to go back to Triple-A to open one of the roster spots for either Mark Teixeira or Kevin Youkilis to come off the disabled list. Opening the other roster spot will be a curious decision, but optioning Nuno seems to be the easiest one.

The video above is Joe Girardi talking about the job Nuno has done this season, which has obviously left the Yankees with a strong first impression. Tonight they’ll lean on him to snap a losing streak and give some distance on a night when the bullpen has used up its true long relievers.

“You hope you can get a lead early on, is what you want, and you can build upon that,” Girardi said. “We just haven’t scored a ton of runs lately, but every team, I’ve said, goes through that. Every day is a new day. That’s the great thing about our game. It’s not necessarily the case if you’re a starting pitcher, but if you’re a position player it is. These guys can turn it on at any time.”

Andy Pettitte• Pettitte could return on Sunday, but the Yankees have decided to give him an extra day and have him start on Monday. I assume that means Phelps will move back a day to start Tuesday — in what would be Nuno’s next turn — but that’s not quite clear.

• Pettitte on his back injury: “I feel good. I do. Doc never sent me for an MRI or anything like that. We felt like it was a muscle spasm, and I’m not sure (but) I think they were being pretty cautious with me as far as the DL. It was probably good. I was pretty locked up back there.”

• Pettitte on adjusting his between-games routine: “I have a certain routine and I want to be on it, and obviously you’ve got everyone saying, you might be doing too much. You might doing this, you might be doing that. It is an adjustment, and I’ll make another little bit of an adjustment here with this. Maybe not throw two bullpens for a little while in between. They want me to think about doing that, so it’s a constant adjustment.”

• Girardi would not commit to either Mark Teixeira or Kevin Youkilis being activated tomorrow. He said he doesn’t want to set expectations, but clearly expectations are set. Brian Cashman has said Teixeira and Youkilis will be activated tomorrow, as long as things go according to plan.

• The decision to play Brennan Boesch ahead of Ichiro Suzuki, Girardi said, has as much to do with resting Ichiro as keeping Boesch in the lineup. “I’m also thinking long-term too,” Girardi said. “Seventeen days in a row here. It’s getting hot. We have to make sure (guys are rested). Sometimes you can think of Ich as a young guy, but he’s one of those guys with some age on him too.”

• I’m not sure how many people think of Ichiro as a young guy.

• The Yankees announced that Hideki Matsui will sign a minor league contract and immediately retire as a Yankee on July 28. Matsui will be honored as a pregame ceremony at Yankee Stadium that day. “You’ll hear every player to a man say what a great teammate he was,” Girardi said. “And I think everyone will look forward to that day.”

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125 Responses to “Pregame notes: Nuno gets one more (one last?) turn in the rotation”

  1. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    mick May 30th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
    seems like the montero brigade has left the building…

    ——————————
    I’d take him back….give them Joba

    Sea owner felt bad about the trade so lets see how bad he feels

  2. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Have any of you NYers tried one of these yet?

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelli.....oblem.html

  3. Doreen May 30th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Rich in NJ -

    From prior thread – I agree that decision will have to be made about those pitchers. I just think the Yankees don’t have the luxury of making those decisions right now, and may not for the entirety of the season.

    But, let’s revisit at the trade deadline and see where everyone is at.

    Certainly Claiborne has been a revelation so far. Warren has done a great job. Nuno, too.

  4. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CfwLloQx7E

  5. mick May 30th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    seems like the montero brigade has left the building…

    ——————————
    I’d take him back….give them Joba
    =========================
    what purpose would montero serve?

  6. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    mick May 30th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
    seems like the montero brigade has left the building…

    ——————————
    I’d take him back….give them Joba
    =========================
    what purpose would montero serve?

    ————————————

    Young bat going forward. I don’t think he’ll be traded now but yrs down the line I wouldn’t be against trading for him.

    By then A-rod and Co. won’t be here

  7. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    The scout who found Nuno should be promoted.

    ;)

  8. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Collecting what you think are undervalued assets, especially those with mL options, is a smart strategy. You worry about what to do with them later.

  9. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Doreen-

    That’s exactly what I expect will happen.

    Things will be re-evaluated at the TD.

    Moves made based upon need(s).

  10. Nick in SF May 30th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Will he still be a young bat going forward years down the line? :grin:

  11. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Yeah, Montero will only be 27 when Tex’s contract expires. That’s not a kid, but it’s not old.

  12. Nick in SF May 30th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Cool!

  13. hardwired7 May 30th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Love the Nuño scouting report from Pettitte.

    Hopefully Andy stays heavily involved with the team after he hangs them up for good.

  14. tomingeorgia May 30th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Did the Thunder play today, or tonight. If day, any news?

  15. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Actually, at this point in AP’s career, he and Nuno have similar repetoires.

    No wonder he likes him.

    ;)

  16. Pat M. May 30th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Montero might be in Japan by then

  17. fantasygame101 May 30th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    today is the calm before the storm. violent reactions tomorrow about the move.

  18. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Tom-

    night game

  19. tomingeorgia May 30th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Thanks, MTU.

  20. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    You’re welcome Mister Tom.

  21. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    MTU,

    I called Nuno a “Poor’s man version” of Pettitte… He does have some traits of him… Not the FB, but he has his pitching IQ and some of his command

  22. Pat M. May 30th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    MTU…..Sorry for your loss…..

  23. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    “Montero might be in Japan by then”

    I might too. It’s a nice place to vacation.

  24. blake May 30th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    “Sometimes you can think of Ich as a young guy, but he’s one of those guys with some age on him too.”

    Who are these people that think of Ichiro as a young guy?

  25. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Luis-

    AP pretty much tops out at 90 these days.

    I’ve seen Nuno at at least 89.

    And Nuno has excellent command from I’ve been able to see.

    I really like his assortment and way he mixes things up.

    Hard to believe that guy was a 54th round selection. You couldn’t have gotten a bag of old golf balls for him.

    That’s why I said the scout who “discovered” him deserves a promotion.

    He was languishing in Independent ball.

    Nuno said tht the thing that really upped his game was his learning the CU.

    You know what Luis. I believe him.

    ;)

  26. blake May 30th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    May 30, 2013 at 5:56 pm
    Did the Thunder play today, or tonight. If day, any news?

    7:05

  27. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    “Who are these people that think of Ichiro as a young guy?”

    Yeah, that quote is nonsensical.

  28. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Pat M.-

    Thanks. Much appreciated.

    I’m just glad he didn’t suffer too much.

    He went fairly quickly.

  29. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
    “Montero might be in Japan by then”

    I might too. It’s a nice place to vacation.
    ——————————
    who the hell can afford to spend some time there

  30. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    MTU,

    I think so… I think Pettitte was a draft and follow kind of prospect… But yes, the CU is the best friend of an SP ;) It isn’t a coincidence that Tampa Bays develops so many good pitchers… They all learn the CU

  31. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    who the hell can afford to spend some time there
    ===============
    Andruw Jones.

  32. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Lets hope Pineda learns the CU.
    Remember him?

  33. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    who the hell can afford to spend some time there
    ===============
    Andruw Jones.
    —————————————————-
    prob makes more $$$$ than most of us

  34. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    “who the hell can afford to spend some time there”

    I don’t have kids…

    As for Montero, he might only have to go Pittsburgh to find a spike in production.

  35. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Luis-

    How bout a guy w a 97 MPH heater and a Plus CU.

    Does that work for ya’ ?

    His name. Jose Ramirez. Scary, huh ?

    ;)

  36. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    what do they get paid in Japan?
    JF would know…

  37. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    As for Montero, he might only have to go Pittsburgh to find a spike in production.
    ======================
    he could learn from Martin.

  38. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Mick-

    Pineda already has a working CU.

    :)

  39. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    so if pineda comes up and goes 1-0, would that tilt the trade to us?

  40. tomingeorgia May 30th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    joeman,
    Makes more than most of us, together.

  41. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    mtu
    when did he learn it?

  42. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    mr tom
    how’s the toilet paper inventory?

  43. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    man this new era of lohud minus the hate flows happily…

  44. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    Luis-

    How bout a guy w a 97 MPH heater and a Plus CU.

    Does that work for ya’ ?

    His name. Jose Ramirez. Scary, huh ?

    ==============================

    So I hear my friend… Hopefully he may be an option by mid next season?… He needs a third pitch though, I think I heard that the slider is coming along just fine…

  45. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Mick-

    He already had it when he came over from Seattle.

    He and the King were good buddies.

    I’m thinking the King had something to do w it.

    The Yankees were encouraging him to se it more when he was injured.

    Before that his FB and devasting slider were his main weapons.

    He kind of kept the CU in his back pocket like Burnett did.

    I don’t think it will be a problem for him once he’s healthy.

    It’s actually quite a nice pitch already.

  46. tomingeorgia May 30th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    mr. mick,
    It’s OK right now, but 4 women coming this weekend signals another trip to Sam’s Club,

  47. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    so if pineda comes up and goes 1-0, would that tilt the trade to us?

    —————–

    lol

    He would be off to a good start.

  48. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    i dont see brignac or boesch gone for the next moves of youk tex and andy.
    that leaves nuno, adams and ???? DL somebody……joba for who? (not claiborne)

    boesch for grandy later…

  49. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Luis-

    Just ask YF or JAP. They are both much more on top of that.

    I’ve heard from them that the slider is coming along.

    It does not have to reach plus status w his other weapons.

    He needs to stay healthy and log innings.

  50. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Nikkansports.com is reporting that the Rakuten Golden Eagles and Andruw Jones have come to terms on a one-year deal worth 300 million yen, or approximately $3.6 million.

  51. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    He already had it when he came over from Seattle.
    ================
    mtu-not according to the dear departed randy.

  52. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    tomingeorgia May 30th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    joeman,
    Makes more than most of us, together.
    ———————–
    yes he does

  53. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Luis-

    The real Monster is DePaula.

    He is behind Ramirez but he is a killer.

    Check out his SO totals this season. Man among boys.

    He needs a promo soon.

    They should challenge him.

    He can be scary good and hopefully a fast mover.

    It’s a shame his visa problems slowed him down.

    If they didn’t he might be right alongside J-Ram right now.

  54. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    They need to find out about Ich. Since he doesn’t walk (or hit for power), he needs to hit for a higher average than would otherwise be necessary in order to have value, and to this point, he isn’t doing that.

  55. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Mick-

    It just needed some refinement. Nothing more.

  56. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    If Ichiro and Wells are shot, Boesch could get a shot.
    Trish might be right…

  57. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    there was a lot of talk about the B’S & look what happen…I’m trading prospects for proven any day

  58. tomingeorgia May 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    If the trade didn’t come up, I’d love to have JAP and yankeefem back here more often.

  59. Nick in SF May 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Andruw, get paid in greenbacks, the yen is slumping more than Ichiro! :shock:

  60. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Joeman-

    “All prospects are suspects”.

  61. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    what meredith wearing tonight?

  62. GregD May 30th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    I’m at the Stadium, we have won the last four I have attended, lets hope the streak continues!!!

  63. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Tom-

    They are both extremely knowledgeable. Especially about MiLB matters.

    They go to their fair share of games.

    They actually get to see our prospects.

    Both extremely intelligent.

    I’m sorry there is so much rancor at times.

  64. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    I’d love to have JAP and yankeefem back
    ====================
    appears to be a joint effort.

  65. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
    Joeman-

    “All prospects are suspects
    ———————-
    very true…..build them up and ship them out

  66. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
    what meredith wearing tonight?

    —————

    What??

  67. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    What??
    ====
    anything?

  68. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Personally, I would trade for my prospects.

  69. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Both extremely intelligent.
    ================
    aren’t most here?

  70. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    my = more

  71. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
    Luis-

    The real Monster is DePaula.

    He is behind Ramirez but he is a killer.

    Check out his SO totals this season. Man among boys.

    He needs a promo soon.

    They should challenge him.

    He can be scary good and hopefully a fast mover.

    It’s a shame his visa problems slowed him down.

    If they didn’t he might be right alongside J-Ram right now.

    ==========================

    Yes,they are crazy good… But I think JAP and YF said that they wanted to clean his mechanics before promoting him… But given his age, I think he will a fast mover

  72. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Joeman-

    I’d actually like to see the Yankee farm system reach the level of perfection where they have at least 1
    untouchable player.Maybe 2.

    That would be a sign to me that they have truly arrived in their development efforts.

    At the moment I don’t think there is anyone with that designation.

  73. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    She’s fully clothed yes

  74. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    But I think JAP and YF said that they wanted to clean his mechanics before promoting him…
    ===============
    So now they are in the FO?

  75. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Yes Mick. Many very smart people here.

    I was just pointing out that they were 2 of them.

  76. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    She’s fully clothed yes
    ==========
    she usually shows a lot of arm skin.

  77. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
    Personally, I would trade for my prospects.

    ===============================

    Yes… We have a new core to rebuild

  78. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Yes Mick. Many very smart people here.
    =================
    very smart and highly intelligent are 2 different horses.

  79. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Curtis Granderson is donating $5 million to build his alma mater a new ballpark

    this guy is just a nice person should be more like him around

  80. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
    there was a lot of talk about the B’S & look what happen…I’m trading prospects for proven any day

    ————————-

    But what happens when the proven falls off the map and the prospects develop into solid players. The idea is to trade the excess and keep the good ones. The Yankees were egging teams to take Cano but thankfully it didn’t happen.

  81. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    GregD May 30th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
    I’m at the Stadium, we have won the last four I have attended, lets hope the streak continues!!!

    ========================

    Nice!! our good luck charm! ;)

  82. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    The Yankees were egging teams to take Cano but thankfully it didn’t happen.
    ==================
    would the RS do Middlebrooks and Pedroia for Cano?

  83. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
    there was a lot of talk about the B’S & look what happen…I’m trading prospects for proven any day

    ————————-

    But what happens when the proven falls off the map and the prospects develop into solid players. The idea is to trade the excess and keep the good ones. The Yankees were egging teams to take Cano but thankfully it didn’t happen.
    ————————————————–
    in the last 10 years give me a Yankee count

  84. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Mick-

    Both horses that can finish a race well.

    Perhaps one ahead of the other.

    ;)

  85. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Nice!! our good luck charm!

    ——————–

    +1000000

  86. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
    Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
    there was a lot of talk about the B’S & look what happen…I’m trading prospects for proven any day

    ————————-

    But what happens when the proven falls off the map and the prospects develop into solid players. The idea is to trade the excess and keep the good ones. The Yankees were egging teams to take Cano but thankfully it didn’t happen.
    ————————————————–
    in the last 10 years give me a Yankee count

    —————–

    What do you mean? Give you the number of Yankee prospects that have failed over the yrs?

  87. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Both horses that can finish a race well.

    Perhaps one ahead of the other.
    ===================
    Looks like those who are still here are ahead in that race…

  88. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
    there was a lot of talk about the B’S & look what happen…I’m trading prospects for proven any day

    ————————-

    But what happens when the proven falls off the map and the prospects develop into solid players. The idea is to trade the excess and keep the good ones. The Yankees were egging teams to take Cano but thankfully it didn’t happen.

    ========================

    Odds,

    Actually he was offered three times… Thankfully the other teams passed on him

  89. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    what do E Chavez and Yuokilis have in common…alright never mind

  90. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    With the new economics of MLB fostering increasing parity, the price of in their prime players has gone up, and the ones that are available tend to make a lot of money. So in order to have a balanced team, you need young, cost-controlled players to be able to afford some expensive ones. Achieving that balance is the challenge the Yankee face if they aren’t going to spend $230+ a year like this one.

  91. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    in the last 10 years give me the prospects that they kept or traded away that were legit

  92. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    @Luis that’s what I mean. When they offered him those 3 times they were trying their hardest to have the opposing team take him on especially in the Randy Johnson trade.

  93. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    maybe come next winter we will wish they did trade Cano

  94. G. Love May 30th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Sometimes posters need a break from here. I’ve gone through it. This place can get oppressive with some of the trolls/lunatics patting themselves on the backs/twisting the knife in others backs dominating the conversation.

    I hope Yanksfem and J.AP return regularly because I enjoy their perspectives a great deal. They are both great Yankee fans who understand the team history and who can see the joys and flaws with the team/org and articulate them well.

  95. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    This place can get oppressive with some of the trolls/lunatics patting themselves on the backs/twisting the knife in others backs dominating the conversation.
    ====================
    It seems that contingent has left the building.

  96. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    AAO-

    Sometimes the best trades are the ones you never make.

    ;)

  97. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    The past 18 years of dominance were the result of a homegrown core complimented by trades and FA’s… The moment you start to build a core around FA’s you are screwed, the way the Yankees were screwed for almost 16 years ( 1979- 1995 )… The success of the years 1977 and 1978 was the exception of the rule..

    We need to rebuild the core… It has to be homegrown for sustained success… therefore we need as many prospects as we can… the more the better chances we have to find that core.

  98. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    so we don’t have a potential core down below?

  99. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    @Luis that’s what I mean. When they offered him those 3 times they were trying their hardest to have the opposing team take him on especially in the Randy Johnson trade.

    ====================

    Yup… sorry I misread it… i thought you said that he was asked for and the FO said no…

  100. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    G. Love-

    I can’t imagine those two are gone for good.

    Highly unlikely. And I sure hope not.

    Most take a blogcation from time to time.

  101. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    I echo G. Love’s sentiments.

  102. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Well. Enjoy the game folks.

    I hope Vidal Nuno-Sassoon gives the Mets a haircut.

    One they don’t especially like.

    ;)

  103. luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
    With the new economics of MLB fostering increasing parity, the price of in their prime players has gone up, and the ones that are available tend to make a lot of money. So in order to have a balanced team, you need young, cost-controlled players to be able to afford some expensive ones. Achieving that balance is the challenge the Yankee face if they aren’t going to spend $230+ a year like this one.

    ========================

    Good point…. I would only add that now teams are extending their position players to assure their prime years… So eventually the FA’s that might be available will be after their prime players or in their late prime years…. You can get complimentary players in this kind of pool, but anchor players you need to develop

  104. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
    The past 18 years of dominance were the result of a homegrown core complimented by trades and FA’s… The moment you start to build a core around FA’s you are screwed, the way the Yankees were screwed for almost 16 years ( 1979- 1995 )… The success of the years 1977 and 1978 was the exception of the rule..

    We need to rebuild the core… It has to be homegrown for sustained success… therefore we need as many prospects as we can… the more the better chances we have to find that core.

    ———————————-
    my opinion is that a core like they had happens once in a lifetime

  105. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    if you are going to express a contrarian opinion in a militant way be prepared to get pushback.
    don’t then play the victim card…

  106. G. Love May 30th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    MTU,

    I’m hoping they return or at the very least reach out to me since I want to go to Trenton to see Ramirez throw with them this summer when work dies down a bit for me.

  107. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
    in the last 10 years give me the prospects that they kept or traded away that were legit

    ———————————–

    Cano
    Hughes even though he is inconsistent
    Drob
    Wang had a run but it was short

    Not sure if you want to count a guy like Ajax

  108. mick May 30th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    now i must get ready for the dulcet tones of the great michael kay.
    please keep left hand in pocket when introducing coney and al.

  109. G. Love May 30th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    mick,

    I don’t think either of them have ever played the victim card. But I do think sometimes this place gets suffocating thanks to a select few and you need to step out and remind yourself that you’re here because you love this team and enjoy talking about them with other huge fans.

  110. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    “don’t then play the victim card…”

    I think that is primarily played by the Yankees can do no wrong contingent.

  111. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    G. Love-

    I share that sentiment. Did they say they were done, or is that an assumption ?

    I have had some very nice conversations w YF, in particular.

    If you need me to act as an e-mail go-between let me know.

    I’d be glad to do that for you.

  112. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    luis May 30th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    @Luis that’s what I mean. When they offered him those 3 times they were trying their hardest to have the opposing team take him on especially in the Randy Johnson trade.

    ====================

    Yup… sorry I misread it… i thought you said that he was asked for and the FO said no…

    =====================

    It’s ok minor mistake. :)

  113. luis May 30th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    G Love,

    Add me to the choir… We want them back!!

    Joeman,

    Every Yankee Dynasty has been lead by a homegrown core… Every single one… With the exception of the teams in 1977-78 and they had Thurman and Guidry

  114. comnsnse May 30th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Rich@4:38 of previous thread.

    So your plan then is to put feelers out on our “excess pitching”, knowing the fragility in some respect of this staff?

    Nor did you respond as G.M without portfolio exactly what you would want in return and for whom.

    Now be specific, Hughes/Nova to whom for whom?

    Remember don’t be obtuse! ;)

  115. G. Love May 30th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    MTU,

    I think it’s an assumption. I saw yanksfem in here not too long ago.

    If they don’t pop up, I’d love to have you reach out for me as I promised them I’d go to a Trenton game with them.

  116. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    my opinion is that a core like they had happens once in a lifetime

    ————————————-

    True you’re not going to get 2 no doubt HOFs and 3 guys that you can make a case are border line HOFs. Although the way Andy pitchers when he is healthy he could be a lock too.

  117. MTU May 30th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    G. Love-

    Let’s see. And then let me know if necessary.

  118. Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    But you could still build a solid core and then add around it.

  119. luis May 30th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
    “don’t then play the victim card…”

    I think that is primarily played by the Yankees can do no wrong contingent.

    ========================

    Rich,

    You are the moderate, remember? :lol:

  120. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    omnsnse May 30th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
    Rich@4:38 of previous thread.

    So your plan then is to put feelers out on our “excess pitching”, knowing the fragility in some respect of this staff?

    Nor did you respond as G.M without portfolio exactly what you would want in return and for whom.

    Now be specific, Hughes/Nova to whom for whom?

    Remember don’t be obtuse!
    __

    How the f do I know?

    The point is to build a balanced team.

    They aren’t now.

  121. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Against All Odds May 30th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    joeman May 30th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
    in the last 10 years give me the prospects that they kept or traded away that were legit

    ———————————–

    Cano
    Hughes even though he is inconsistent
    Drob
    Wang had a run but it was short

    Not sure if you want to count a guy like Ajax
    ———————————-
    not much there except for the one

  122. mick May 30th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    mick May 30th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    mick,

    I don’t think either of them have ever played the victim card. But I do think sometimes this place gets suffocating thanks to a select few and you need to step out and remind yourself that you’re here because you love this team and enjoy talking about them with other huge fans.
    ======================
    being talked to is the key. G. Love…..not talked down to….like we didn’t know posada was a good hitting, invaluable catcher for the yankees or that the rook was a generational ruthian ballplayer and that circular lineups are good….this is far from a little league crowd.

  123. joeman May 30th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    I think that’s K #50 for Gardner this season, you think he was a power hitter swinging for the fences

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