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Nova and Nuno sent to Triple-A

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Vidal Nuno and Ivan Nova are going to Triple-A to make room for Kevin Youkilis and Mark Teixeira.

Brett Gardner CF
Kevin Youkilis DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Vernon Wells LF
Jayson Nix SS
David Adams 3B
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Chris Stewart C

LHP CC Sabathia

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99 Responses to “Nova and Nuno sent to Triple-A”

  1. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Smart move.

  2. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Interesting. Now what happens when Pettitte returns Monday?

  3. MG May 31st, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    absolutely the right moves-now trade Chamberlain before Monday for a prospect to create room for Andy.

  4. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Clarity.

  5. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Lineup is looking stiffer, please score runs.

  6. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Well slap my head and call me junior. I never in a million years would have thought that Joe Girardi would be comfortable with an 11 man pitching staff.

  7. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Interesting. Now what happens when Pettitte returns Monday?
    ——–

    Adams, Boesch or Brignac

  8. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Rich, gave you a reply at the end of the last thread. Must go on a dog walk now. Then it’s a hike day. No, just kidding, that’s someone else.

  9. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    “I understand the roster crunch, but on a team starved for offense, I can’t see giving two spots to Bignac and Nix.”

    I don’t like it either but the problem is the roster. If you send down or DFA one of them, the other has to play all the time, without the ability to pinch hit for them in crucial situations. That is a big problem. Unfortunately, they need a second shortstop.

    In the old days, they’d see if Cano could do it, but that’s not the way the game works today.

    It will be interesting to see what the Yanks decide.

  10. Yogi Mantle May 31st, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    I wonder how many runs the RS will score on pass balls. Stewart behind the plate just fills me with confidence… not.

    I hope Teixeira doesn’t have his usual slow start.

    This could be an ugly series if the Yankee bats keep sleeping.

  11. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Nick, I replied.

  12. Locke May 31st, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    MG May 31st, 2013 at 3:55 pm
    absolutely the right moves-now trade Chamberlain before Monday for a prospect to create room for Andy.

    —–

    The LA teams could use some BP help. I’d love to see us trade Chamberlain, since I’m pretty sure we won’t retain him.

  13. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Chip,

    Boesch goes down most likely. Nunez can’t get back soon enough.

  14. blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    good decision…..good lineup!

  15. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Who is walking you, Nick?

  16. MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    Well slap my head and call me junior. I never in a million years would have thought that Joe Girardi would be comfortable with an 11 man pitching staff.
    —————–
    an 11 man staff would be fine, they have about 5 guys who can fill the long relief spot-when Warren throws a bunch of innings send him down for 10 days and bring one of the other guys up to fill in, problem solved…

  17. NYY fan in NH May 31st, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    I can’t wait to see the day when Jeter is back leading off and Gardner is in the 9 hole again.

  18. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    “Boesch goes down most likely.”

    Wow, if Boesch goes down you are going to get awfully tired of Ichiro and Wells.

  19. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Would the Dodgers do a Joba + Nunez for Hanley Ramirez swap when everyone is healthy?

  20. MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Boesch isn’t going anywhere until Granderson gets back, in limited ABs he’s actually near the top of the Yankees offensive stats in both BA and OPS…

  21. blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    “That’s bunk. There are plenty of good teams that not only get good pitchers in the draft but do a heck of a better job developing their pitching prospects as well than the Yankees do.”

    it’s not bunk at all…..you make me a list of the top 20 pitchers in baseball in your estimation and then tell me how many of them the Yankees could have drafted. I’ll do 10 of the best.

    1. Kershaw- no
    2. Price- no
    3. Strasburg- no
    4- Verlander- no
    5- Harvery- no
    6- Cain- maybe but probably not
    7- Weaver- no
    8- Greinke- no
    9- Sabathia- no
    10- Sale- no

    obviously there are the international guys like Felix and you occasionally have a Matt Moore….but for the most part the best pitchers in baseball the Yankees never even had a chance to draft

  22. Locke May 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 4:01 pm
    Would the Dodgers do a Joba + Nunez for Hanley Ramirez swap when everyone is healthy?

    ——-

    I don’t know. That might make sense for them, but Hanley really isn’t a SS in my opinion. He is serviceable at 3rd but his last three years where he played SS with any regularity he had a -1 dWar or worse.

    He also makes 15.5mm so they would have to eat a lot of that.

  23. PRDENTIST May 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Chip, joe really has 8 pitchers because Hughes, kuroda, and cc are not available out of the pen. Boesch may go because youk has played of before, even tho it was in 2009.

  24. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Ramirez is 30 years old & makes 15 mil…..I don’t know…that would kill their 189 mil I would think

  25. pkyankfan69 May 31st, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    I like the move… Nova is potentially way more valuable if he can figure things out while starting in AAA than being a long reliever… The Yankee BP is loaded, no need for him atm.

    This was the easy decision though, we’ll see who goes get or gets DFA’d for AP.

  26. Tackelberry May 31st, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Ellsbury out of the Red Sox lineup with a tight groin. Jackie Bradley Jr. will take his place in CF tonight

  27. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Here is the latest on Hanley Ramirez…

    http://espn.go.com/blog/los-an.....-star-form

    The Dodgers have him for the remainder of 2013 and 2014.

    Would you trade Hughes + Joba + Nunez for him and play him at 3B?

  28. Locke May 31st, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Blake – Your point is well taken. I’d argue that we really didn’t have a shot at Felix either – he primarily picked the Mariners because he liked Garcia so much.

    The only guy I think the Yankees missed on recently was Yu. I really wanted the Yankees to get him (it isn’t my money) but tons of teams have been burned by Japanese pitchers in the past so I understand the Yankees reluctance to pay the posting fee.

    I do hope we drop some cash in the international market before 2015.

  29. GregD May 31st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    I don’t see the Yanks trading pitching with all the injuries and hopefully ARod will be back to play 3B

  30. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Just a hunch, but I think Cashman likes Brignac a lot more than any of us think. I think he’ll demote a guy with options first if no one gets injured this weekend rather than waive a guy on the roster.

  31. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    so they couldn’t hit Gee last night how they going to do with their .245 team BA against Lester…giving up a grand total of 5.6 hits a game

  32. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    The Yanks don’t need corner infielders. They need corner outfielders. They have pitchers of the Phelps/Nova/Warren variety in excess. I expect Cashman is working the phones as we type.

  33. blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    at some point they’ll have to decide between Nix and Brignac…..

  34. Locke May 31st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    Here is the latest on Hanley Ramirez…

    http://espn.go.com/blog/los-an…..-star-form

    The Dodgers have him for the remainder of 2013 and 2014.

    Would you trade Hughes + Joba + Nunez for him and play him at 3B?

    ———-

    I wouldn’t.

    I think that Hughes + Joba + Nunez could bring in a better haul. Truthfully, SS is a much bigger issue for us then 3B at the moment. We don’t have any good SS depth and I’d be reluctant to part with Nunez (though Hanley would be an upgrade).

    3B has a potential ARod, Youk, Adams, and possibly Jeter if his injury demands it.

  35. GregD May 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Brignac hasn’t hit much for us yet…..he’s not as productive as Nix

  36. Tackelberry May 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    so they couldn’t hit Gee last night how they going to do with their .245 team BA against Lester…giving up a grand total of 5.6 hits a game

    ________________________________________

    Maybe the retun of YOuk and Tex will rejuvenate the offense a little

  37. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    “Just a hunch, but I think Cashman likes Brignac a lot more than any of us think.”

    He is a plus defensively. It would be nice if he got a hit a little more often.

  38. Locke May 31st, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    The Yanks don’t need corner infielders. They need corner outfielders. They have pitchers of the Phelps/Nova/Warren variety in excess. I expect Cashman is working the phones as we type.

    ——

    Hughes/Nova + Joba for a good right handed right fielder could work.

  39. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    GregD May 31st, 2013 at 4:11 pm
    I don’t see the Yanks trading pitching with all the injuries and hopefully ARod will be back to play 3B

    —————————
    he may try, I’d be more worried about Jeter coming back and playing a jeter like SS..if neither can handle the positions what do you do with them

  40. MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    whether anyone likes it or not both Nix and Brignac need to be on the roster, the Yankees can’t rely on anyone else to play SS for a full game and neither can be an everyday player…

  41. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Tackelberry May 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm
    so they couldn’t hit Gee last night how they going to do with their .245 team BA against Lester…giving up a grand total of 5.6 hits a game

    ________________________________________

    Maybe the retun of YOuk and Tex will rejuvenate the offense a little
    —————————
    the stiff stinks

  42. GregD May 31st, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Joeman——–I don’t think Jeter comes back this year but I think ARod will

  43. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    “That’s bunk. There are plenty of good teams that not only get good pitchers in the draft but do a heck of a better job developing their pitching prospects as well than the Yankees do.”

    it’s not bunk at all…..you make me a list of the top 20 pitchers in baseball in your estimation and then tell me how many of them the Yankees could have drafted. I’ll do 10 of the best.

    1. Kershaw- no
    2. Price- no
    3. Strasburg- no
    4- Verlander- no
    5- Harvery- no
    6- Cain- maybe but probably not
    7- Weaver- no
    8- Greinke- no
    9- Sabathia- no
    10- Sale- no

    obviously there are the international guys like Felix and you occasionally have a Matt Moore….but for the most part the best pitchers in baseball the Yankees never even had a chance to draft
    ————————-

    But there are more than 10 good starters in baseball…and there are teams that are consistently good (like the Yankees) who develop their own starters a lot better than the Yankees do. Matt Moore with Tampa, Jon Lester and Clay Bucholtz in Boston, Adam Wainwright (who was acquired via trade by the Braves but developed by St. Louis).

    None of those guys are inherently more talented than Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Betances or Banuelos – but their organizations do a far superior job of developing that talent into results than the Yankees do.

  44. GregD May 31st, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    MG—–I’m afraid you’re right until Nunez returns

  45. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Wave,

    I think they may be trying to see if Kevin Long can effect some things in Brignac before DFA’ing him.

  46. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Just a hunch, but I think Cashman likes Brignac a lot more than any of us think. I think he’ll demote a guy with options first if no one gets injured this weekend rather than waive a guy on the roster.
    ——————–

    He’s a better fielder than Nunez.

    Left handed (which plays in Yankee stadium)

    Is still young(ish) 27 (same age as Nunez)

    We know Brian’s not sold on Nunez, so I think he’s looking to see if Long can tap into something there offensively.

  47. blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “The Yanks don’t need corner infielders. They need corner outfielders. They have pitchers of the Phelps/Nova/Warren variety in excess. I expect Cashman is working the phones as we type.”

    Not sure who will be out there…..Stanton might be doubt we could get him…..Ethier might and we could probably get him if Hal will take on some money…..just not sure who will be there that is a real upgrade.

  48. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Youkilis drove in 7 runs in over 70 AB’s….whats that 1 RBI every 10 AB’s…if he stayed away from the DL (which won’t happen) the rest of the season he’s prob a 50 RBI guy this year

  49. MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    GregD May 31st, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    MG—–I’m afraid you’re right until Nunez returns
    ————–
    I don’t like it much either but they don’t have any other options-as long as they keep the pitching staff to 11 it’s OK but if they go back to 12 it will make a difference offensively.

    Right now they have some guys on the bench who can pinch hit, particularly against a righty, take away one of them and it becomes more problematic…

  50. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “The Yanks don’t need corner infielders. They need corner outfielders. They have pitchers of the Phelps/Nova/Warren variety in excess. I expect Cashman is working the phones as we type.”

    Not sure who will be out there…..Stanton might be doubt we could get him…..Ethier might and we could probably get him if Hal will take on some money…..just not sure who will be there that is a real upgrade.
    —————-

    If they plan on keeping Ichiro – Chris Denorfia would be a solid pick up.

  51. champ809 May 31st, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    That’s bunk. There are plenty of good teams that not only get good pitchers in the draft but do a heck of a better job developing their pitching prospects as well than the Yankees do.

    Again, in the last 5 years the Yankees have had 6 stud pitching prospects: Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos. Give those talents to a team like Atlanta or St. Louis or Oakland or any number of other teams and you’re getting at least 3 decent major league starters out of them. The Yankees have thus far developed one of them into a back-end starter, traded one, one’s arm is ruined and is out of baseball, another hasn’t pitched in two years and the other two are relievers.

    You can’t keep wasting that kind of talent and then complaining that you don’t develop pitchers like other teams do because other teams draft higher than you.

    I’m pretty sure if the Yankees had the chance to draft David Price he would be the best LOOGY in baseball right now.
    ____________________________________________________________________

    There is so much wrong with this statement I don’t know where to begin. Here’s a start look at the “ace” of each team and then check out their career arc and how they got to where they are now. Most are not with the original team that drafted them and only a handful of the few that are were outside of the high 1st round pick group.

    Here’s another exercise for you….take a look at say BA top prospect list for each organization over the last say 10yrs and tell me how many of each teams highly regarded young pitching prospects made an impact at the major league level with said team if they even made the majors at all.

    Kershaw- 7th overall pick
    Verlander- 2nd overall pick
    David Price- 1st overall pick
    Matt Cain- 25th overall pick
    Chris Sale- 13th overall pick
    Matt Harvey- 7th overall pick
    Strasburg- 1st overall pick
    Yu Darvish- 120MM gamble
    King Felix- took less $ to sign with Seattle as a kid because hero Freddy Garcia was on the team.
    Adam Wainwright- 29th overall pick by Braves acquired in trade.
    CC- 20th overall pick

    The Yanks problem is not trusting young players, trading them away for veterans in their impossible pursuit of winning every seasons championship. Now that George is gone that mantra should not be the driving factor in every organizational decision that is made throughout the course of a season. That should be the overall team goal but the overall big picture should be viewed through a very different prism.

  52. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Left handed (which plays in Yankee stadium)

    You have to an average to good hitter for it to play up in NYS. Brignac doesnt play up in NYS because he stinks. He should have ‘played up’ in Coors but did not there either.

  53. blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    “But there are more than 10 good starters in baseball…and there are teams that are consistently good (like the Yankees) who develop their own starters a lot better than the Yankees do. Matt Moore with Tampa, Jon Lester and Clay Bucholtz in Boston, Adam Wainwright (who was acquired via trade by the Braves but developed by St. Louis).”

    there are some yea….I didn’t say there weren’t in my original post. I said the Yankees don’t get to draft Matt Harveys and for the most part they don’t. Most organizations aren’t good at developing pitchers…..there are only a few that consistently do it well. The Yanks are at a disadvantage in that regard because they never get sure things……they get a bunch or risks and projects lower in the draft and internationally

  54. blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    “The Yanks problem is not trusting young players, trading them away for veterans in their impossible pursuit of winning every seasons championship.”

    What top pitchers have they traded away?

  55. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    I’m trading prospects for proven …..and if it’s pitching prospects even more

  56. mick May 31st, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    The staff and pen are good at 11 till Monday then back to normal with Andy.
    Glad Claiborne and Adams got to stay.
    The hitting has vastly improved, let’s try to draw a few more walks, with You and Tex, esp against leftys.
    Platoon Boesch and Wells.
    Why is Nix 6th and Adams 7th?

  57. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    NYY favorite with CC pitching and at home only 110/100….times have changed

  58. MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    I like Youk in the 2 hole, he can go to right field, works counts, and gets on base-he’s only walked 4 times in 71 ABs but has 4 HBP plus some pop…

  59. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    The dog walk was real, just not the hike day, although I’m about to hike to my car and then drive into San Francisco.

    I wrote: “The owner has not behaved as if he thinks they should win the World Series every single year.”

    Rich wrote: “He hasn’t? Why do you think that he is blowing much of the projected savings this year?”

    Have to abort this conversation, too many semantics and probably too many false premises and shaky assumptions about what the owner thinks and how to mold interpretations of subsequent actions into theories that fit into those premises and assumptions.

  60. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:23 pm
    “The Yanks problem is not trusting young players, trading them away for veterans in their impossible pursuit of winning every seasons championship.”

    What top pitchers have they traded away?
    —————————————-
    took this up yesterday , what have the NYY traded away in the last 10 years that came back to bite them

  61. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    I like Youk in the 2 hole, he can go to right field, works counts, and gets on base-he’s only walked 4 times in 71 ABs but has 4 HBP plus some pop…
    —————————–
    he stinks

  62. MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:31 pm
    MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    I like Youk in the 2 hole, he can go to right field, works counts, and gets on base-he’s only walked 4 times in 71 ABs but has 4 HBP plus some pop…
    —————————–
    he stinks
    ———–
    very insightful response…

  63. tbone1570 May 31st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    You have to an average to good hitter for it to play up in NYS. Brignac doesnt play up in NYS because he stinks. He should have ‘played up’ in Coors but did not there either.
    =======================

    Brignac so far, 9 strike outs in 17 plate appearances. That doesn’t play up in any stadium.

  64. sammiejohnson May 31st, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “I like Youk in the 2 hole, he can go to right field, works counts, and gets on base-he’s only walked 4 times in 71 ABs but has 4 HBP plus some pop…”

    IIRC, Youk has always been kind of a lowish BA/ high OBP type guy. He seemed to always have an OBP while playing for Boston that seemed out of order for the hitter that he is, just the reverse of Ichiro.

  65. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “Have to abort this conversation, too many semantics and probably too many false premises and shaky assumptions about what the owner thinks and how to mold interpretations of subsequent actions into theories that fit into those premises and assumptions.”

    It may be semantic, but again. I don’t think there is any indication, as evidenced by spending, which is the best tell, imo, that Hal is willing to accept anything less than a team about which, he can say, they can win the WS.

  66. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:33 pm
    joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:31 pm
    MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    I like Youk in the 2 hole, he can go to right field, works counts, and gets on base-he’s only walked 4 times in 71 ABs but has 4 HBP plus some pop…
    —————————–
    he stinks
    ———–
    very insightful response…

    ———————-
    your statement is really confusing…..so I guess what your saying is that he can move the runner by getting hit by a pitch

  67. jacksquat May 31st, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Because Girardi wuvs Nixy

  68. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    “The Yanks problem is not trusting young players, trading them away for veterans in their impossible pursuit of winning every seasons championship.”

    What top pitchers have they traded away?
    ——————

    They don’t do a good enough job developing pitchers to have any to trade away.

    Jake Westbrook and Ted Lilly are probably the most recent examples of pitchers who came up through the Yankee system (at least partially since both were Expos prospects) who have had any sustained success in the majors with another team.

  69. mick May 31st, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Logan Joba Drob Mo Claiborne Kelley Warren

    4OF, 4IF, 2C, Hafner, Overbay, Brignac,Youk

    Who goes for Andy?

    Brignac.

    Who goes for Nunez? If back Monday?

  70. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    “The Yanks problem is not trusting young players, trading them away for veterans in their impossible pursuit of winning every seasons championship.”

    What top pitchers have they traded away?
    —————–

    Better question is what top pitchers have they developed?

  71. MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    I like Youk in the 2 hole, he can go to right field, works counts, and gets on base-he’s only walked 4 times in 71 ABs but has 4 HBP plus some pop…
    —————————–

    your statement is really confusing…..so I guess what your saying is that he can move the runner by getting hit by a pitch
    —————
    I didn’t know baseball was one dimensional, maybe it is in your world-the statement means he can do a variety of things that work well in the 2 hole and can help the Yankees score some runs.

  72. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    I like Youk in the 2 hole, he can go to right field, works counts, and gets on base-he’s only walked 4 times in 71 ABs but has 4 HBP plus some pop…
    —————————–

    your statement is really confusing…..so I guess what your saying is that he can move the runner by getting hit by a pitch
    —————
    I didn’t know baseball was one dimensional, maybe it is in your world-the statement means he can do a variety of things that work well in the 2 hole and can help the Yankees score some runs.
    ————————-
    agree they do need help….

  73. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    champ809 May 31st, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    The Yanks problem is not trusting young players, trading them away for veterans in their impossible pursuit of winning every seasons championship.
    ——————–

    There isn’t one problem. It’s a combination of factors:

    1. Bad job identifying talent when they do pick in the first rounds of the draft (recent examples: Brackman, Culver, Bichette)

    2. Bad job identifying international talent (Igawa)

    3. Bad job developing the talent they do identify and secure (Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Betances, Banuelos)

    4. Bad job advancing that talent through the system (someone explain to me why David Adams didn’t see AAA last year?)

    5. Bad job in allowing the talent they identify, develop and advance play for them (Austin Jackson)

  74. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    in the last 10 years what players have they had in the minors that they can say really helped them in the majors besides one

  75. MG May 31st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    I’m not big on lineup construction but having Cano behind Gardner just made no sense to me whatsoever.

    Youk is the perfect kind of guy for Gardner because he usually works the count and give Gardner, who doesn’t have great base stealing instincts, a chance to find a pitch to run on.

    He can also hit behind Gardner and get him to 3rd base and, late in games, take away the IBB to Cano if Gardner is on and steals 2nd.

    Jeter obviously is a better option than Youk in that spot but he isn’t coming back for at least a couple of months, I don’t think they have anyone else to fill that spot except for possibly Adams if he gets through this adjustment period and starts hitting again (although Adams hasn’t drawn a single walk yet).

  76. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    “I don’t think there is any indication, as evidenced by spending, which is the best tell, imo, that Hal is willing to accept anything less than a team about which, he can say, they can win the WS.”

    I think I understand your original point better now and I don’t agree with it. Gotta go. Hope to catch up on all the Yankee fan with some DVR fast-forward action. I hope the person who FIRST!!!’s the game thread brings some good luck to the table.

  77. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    always wondered what kind of job Cashman would have done if he didn’t have all that $$$$ to work with

  78. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Ok now I don’t want to alarm anybody but I just fed my dog a fish head and he devoured it.

  79. Pat M. May 31st, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Thus far the 2013 season is looking quite dim for me moneywise as my big team investments ( Dodgers, Angels, Senators ) are underachieving ( Giants , O’s ) are holding their own…….G.Glove’s Indians are looking promising as did the Yanks ( 85 )…..Then of course there’s Hughes at 15 wins, Ichiro at 3 to 1 on hitting .300 and now I’m offered 3 to 1 on Cano hitting 40 dingers to offset the Ichiro wager…..Hmmmmm

  80. ac1 May 31st, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    always wondered what kind of job Cashman would have done if he didn’t have all that $$$$ to work with
    ___

    it may not have mattered because if he didnt have money, he wouldnt have had to worry about losing arod, tex, jeter, youkilis etc…. All high priced contracts a team with no money wouldnt have.

  81. ac1 May 31st, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    And WOOOOO to keeping Adams on the roster.
    Though he has to pay Monday’s Pettitte hurdle.
    I assume it is down to him, Overbay and Brignac.
    (won’t be a pitcher since they just sent two pitchers away for two hitters.

  82. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Pat M

    telling how the $ line has the RS/NYY game tonight almost even

  83. ac1 May 31st, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Logan Joba Drob Mo Claiborne Kelley Warren
    4OF, 4IF, 2C, Hafner, Overbay, Brignac,Youk
    Who goes for Andy?
    Brignac.
    Who goes for Nunez? If back Monday?

    ___

    One I dont think Nunez is returning on Monday.
    I still believe Boesch could be the piece if they decide they want to keep Overbay and Adams.
    Nix can play OF, Overbay will in a bind.
    We may see some creative 9th innings over the next month or so….

  84. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    and now I’m offered 3 to 1 on Cano hitting 40 dingers to offset the Ichiro wager…..Hmmmmm

    Don’t take it. Cano may be on pace for 40 but its too close and he’ll probably end the year around 33-35.

  85. blake May 31st, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Jake Westbrook and Ted Lilly are probably the most recent examples of pitchers who came up through the Yankee system (at least partially since both were Expos prospects) who have had any sustained success in the majors with another team”

    Those aren’t really recent and aren’t top pitchers either….do I think the yanks need to do a better job at developing startin pitching? Sure…..do I think they would have turned David price into a LOOGY….no way. The rays didnt didn’t Price so much as they unleashed him. My original point was that the Yankees virtually never get a chance at guys like that….low risk guys you almost can’t mess up with good health

  86. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Cano’s on pace for 43/112

  87. Pat M. May 31st, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Face…..I also view the Cano line as a desperate borderline sucker bet….. joeman, an even line with Sabathia pitching at The Stadium speaks volumes, well almost even that is….This could be the make it or break weekend for the Yanks. Or very close to it

  88. Against All Odds May 31st, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Chip May 31st, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    —————–

    Chip is on a roll

  89. luis May 31st, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    There isn’t one problem. It’s a combination of factors:

    1. Bad job identifying talent when they do pick in the first rounds of the draft (recent examples: Brackman, Culver, Bichette)

    2. Bad job identifying international talent (Igawa)

    3. Bad job developing the talent they do identify and secure (Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Betances, Banuelos)

    4. Bad job advancing that talent through the system (someone explain to me why David Adams didn’t see AAA last year?)

    5. Bad job in allowing the talent they identify, develop and advance play for them (Austin Jackson)

    ===========================

    Good post and most of it right on target… I wouldn’t use Igawa as an example, I think they bid for him after missing on Matsusaka… More like a PR move than anything else, that turn out to be one of the worst picks in history, not only because he was a bust, but because it made them wary of picking players from Japan, thus missing on Yu.

    The rest is right on cue… Kudos

  90. luis May 31st, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Made this comment a while back, but since I was posting from my phone I couldn’t copy and paste it to this thread.

    luis May 31st, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    Pat M,

    I agree with your first post… They needed to trade those players toget maximum value then.. That “win now” mantra is not helping the team to achieve sustainable success in the future… At some point they will need to take a step back…

    86,

    Good post.. Yes, trying to rebuild and at the same time stay competitive can be self defeating… They had a window of opportunity to do just that, but they don’t anymore… Unfortunately, they chose to delay the much needed reestructuring for one more year.

    Rich,

    If they want to usher a new dynasty, they will need to show patience and stomach a few not so great seasons… I am fine with it, as long as they have a clear plan for that… At this moment, they are in patching holes mode… But I think as I said before, circumstances will force their hand

  91. luis May 31st, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Don’t do it Pat…. You won’t win it

  92. luis May 31st, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    Jake Westbrook and Ted Lilly are probably the most recent examples of pitchers who came up through the Yankee system (at least partially since both were Expos prospects) who have had any sustained success in the majors with another team”

    Those aren’t really recent and aren’t top pitchers either….do I think the yanks need to do a better job at developing startin pitching? Sure…..do I think they would have turned David price into a LOOGY….no way. The rays didnt didn’t Price so much as they unleashed him. My original point was that the Yankees virtually never get a chance at guys like that….low risk guys you almost can’t mess up with good health

    ====================================

    Blake,

    I agree that we never get the chance to draft where the real good talent is supposed to be… I think that they do a pretty good job at drafting, taking in to account the position in which they draft ( late 1st round )… However, they didn’t have the shakles they had domestically in the IFA market… And we have had the chance to land a few very good arms that have been messed up… I do buy your theory that in recent years they were put on a budget ( otherwise there is no explanation for those crazy 1st round picks )…. But Tampa does something crucial to pitching development… They teach the CU as a central part of their pitching philosophy.

  93. luis May 31st, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    I broke the rule!!!!

  94. UnKnown May 31st, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Time to bust out of a Season Long offensive problem. We’re into June and it’s put up or shut up time for this O.

  95. champ809 May 31st, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Ian Kennedy has already accomplished more than either Westbrook or Lilly. He won 21 games and finished 3rd in the CY young voting 2yrs ago.

    They traded Zach McCallister for 2 months of Austin Kearns…McCallister right now is easily the #2 on Cleveland’s staff right now not that he’s atop tier pitcher by any stretch but he’s developing into a very nice mid rotation arm.

    They traded Tyler Clippard for Johnathan Albaladejo…Clipp blossomed into top 2 or 3 late RP in baseball the last 3-4 years.

    Someone mentioned Clay Bucholtz but failed to mention how up and down his career has been up until this point. Nova has had about just as good as start to his career as Laptop but he struggles for 15-20 games and “fans” want him banished. Bucholtz is in his 7th season and he’s only had 1 really good year before this current season….but now he’s an example of how great a job the RedSox do developing their SP. What they and other teams do that most “fans” on here don’t have the patience to do is stick with the kids through the inevitable ups and downs that come with raising kid pitchers.

  96. yankeefeminista May 31st, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Good news on international draft likely not being implemented in 2014. I liked our last Group of IFA signings actually, and I’m hoping some of those signings work out.

  97. yankeefeminista May 31st, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    :arrow:

  98. luis May 31st, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    :arrow:

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