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Pitching matchups vs. Red Sox

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
LHP CC Sabathia (4-4, 3.96)
vs.
LHP Jon Lester (6-1, 3.34)
7:05 p.m., YES Network and MLB Network

Saturday
RHP Phil Hughes (2-3, 4.97)
vs.
LHP Felix Doubront (3-2, 5.29)
7:15 p.m., FOX

Sunday
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (6-3, 2.39)
vs.
TBA (possibly RHP Clay Buchholz)
8:05 p.m., ESPN

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238 Responses to “Pitching matchups vs. Red Sox”

  1. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Yay – a Yankee/Red Sox ESPN game…those are always a treat to watch….

  2. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Sorry Kuroda, but I have a Westerosi Wedding to attend on Sunday.

  3. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    I certainly think Ichiro could retire…..he’s proud….I don’t think he’ll hang around to be a 4th outfielder or bench guy…..
    —————

    Behind who? Granderson’s gone after this year. Vernon Wells has been really good but I’m not going to assume he’s going to continue to be good.

  4. Captain Clutch May 31st, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Great a fox game tomorrow means that Hughes will give up 10 runs.

  5. blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    “Behind who? Granderson’s gone after this year. Vernon Wells has been really good but I’m not going to assume he’s going to continue to be good.”

    FA, trade, Tyler Austin…..I don’t know yet but Ichiro isn’t an every day player now and it’s highly doubtful he will be next year either.

  6. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    “…Vernon Wells has been really good but I’m not going to assume he’s going to continue to be good….”

    I am worried midnight has already struck and he’s turning back into a pumpkin, or something.

  7. fantasygame101 May 31st, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    no looking back from here on out.

  8. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    “Behind who? Granderson’s gone after this year. Vernon Wells has been really good but I’m not going to assume he’s going to continue to be good.”

    FA, trade, Tyler Austin…..I don’t know yet but Ichiro isn’t an every day player now and it’s highly doubtful he will be next year either.
    —————

    FA pool stinks.

    Austin (like Heathcott and Mason Williams) is struggling to get going so far this year – granted it’s early – but AA is a long way from ML ready.

  9. blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    “UZR???? Great stat if you’re looking at multiple seasons. A couple dozen games? Laughable. If you knew anything about that statistic, you’d know it’s absolutely unreliable in small samples.”

    UZR is unreliable in small samples but the eyeball test also says that Adams is better than Youk defensively. Youk is bad at 3B…..he shouldn’t even be playing there especially since he can’t hit like he used to.

  10. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    “…Vernon Wells has been really good but I’m not going to assume he’s going to continue to be good….”

    I am worried midnight has already struck and he’s turning back into a pumpkin, or something.
    ———————–

    He’s slumping but so is the entire team. He’s built up some credibility with me and now that he’ll be moved down in the lineup maybe that’ll take some of the pressure off

  11. blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Chip,
    I think they might trade for an outfielder…..also….Austin wouldn’t have to do much to match Ichiro’s punchless .600 something OPS. BTW….Austin has started to heat up quite a bit (last night notwithstanding).

  12. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    “but the eyeball test also says that Adams is better than Youk defensively. ”

    I can’t stand those lollipop throws. Youk’s range is limited but his instincts and arm are better, IMO.

  13. Kelvin May 31st, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Jerkface, is the “red wedding” really this Sunday?

  14. blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Choo will be a FA and he’s way better than what they have now…..a Choo/Wells platoon in RF would be massively productive. Of course….Hals budget might get in the way of that.

  15. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Total Zone also poops on youk and supports Adams as a better defender. And regular stats. All the defensive stats back Adams over Youk.

    The scouting report should as well.

    Youk is bad at third. He was OK when he first came up at third. Once he was on first he became a gold glover (because 3Bman range at 1st, just like Tex). They moved him back when he was already older and breaking down and he stinks there. He was only playing third because they traded for A-gon. I have no idea why the Yankees decided to put him there as well.

    And look at the specific construction of their respective UZRs

    Adams 27 chances, 23 plays, 9 plays made out of his zone
    Youk 17 chances, 9 plays made, 6 made out of zone.

    He bad. Adams may not be a true +12 third baseman (infact I doubt it) but he should be better than Youk who we know can no longer effectively man third.

  16. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Jerkface, is the “red wedding” really this Sunday?

    Yup. The King in the North!

  17. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    “He’s slumping but so is the entire team. He’s built up some credibility with me”

    He was pretty good but for a short period of time. I think the burden of proof is still on Wells. I hope it’s just a slump but I fear the worst.

  18. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    jerkface, way too small sample size to even bring it up seriously.

  19. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    jerkface, way too small sample size to even bring it up seriously.

    Not really. We have a generously large sample of Youk’s bad 3B defense. The only ‘mystery’ element is Adams, and he was a good second baseman who had his range cut down by his ankle injury. It is perfectly fine to accept that he has transferred his good fielding over to 3B where range is less important.

  20. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Chip,
    I think they might trade for an outfielder…..also….Austin wouldn’t have to do much to match Ichiro’s punchless .600 something OPS. BTW….Austin has started to heat up quite a bit (last night notwithstanding).
    —————————

    I’m just saying it’s too early to predict him making it to the majors as the starting RF next year.

    That said, I’m in favor of cutting Ichiro, which is a shame because I really thought he was going to have a solid season for the Yankees.

    How about Ichiro and Ivan Nova to San Diego for Chris Denorfia and take back Nik Hundley’s contract ($3 mil this year, $4 mil next year and a $5 mil club option in 15)

  21. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    A-rod at 3rd from 2010 to 2013 +4 UZR
    Youk at 3rd from 2010 to 2013 -10.3 UZR

    34th worst 3Bman defensively by UZR with a minimum of 1000 innings in the field

  22. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Wait, Overbay is outhitting Hafner vs. righties isn’t he?

    So why not DFA Hafner?

    I am perfectly OK getting rid of Hafner if the plan is to open DH for Youk full time aka trade for a third baseman of Headley’s caliber down the road. For now they could DH Youk against lefties and Overbay against righties. Overbay is outproducing Hafner vs. righties and can play a position. He’s also less injury prone. Adams would get more playing time. Everybody wins.

    If Tex gets injured again then all that does is open more playing time for Adams plays 3B, Youk DH and Overbay back to 1B.

  23. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    “We have a generously large sample of Youk’s bad 3B defense. ”

    I disagree. Leaving out his 14 games at third this year he is more or less (I guess slightly less) an average fielding third baseman. I don’t think over a full season Adams will be. JMHO.

  24. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    I disagree. Leaving out his 14 games at third this year he is more or less (I guess slightly less) an average fielding third baseman. I don’t think over a full season Adams will be. JMHO.

    No he isn’t.

  25. blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Sample size on Adams isn’t that meaningful but again as JF says the sample size on Youk is and he’s not good…..again Adams has made several plays that Youk doesn’t IMO…..there is no way he sniffs that play Adams made last night

  26. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    “No he isn’t.”

    First of all, since 2010 he has hardly played the position. Any fielding metric you cite is statistically irrelevant. When he played a chunk of third during that time, last year, the irrelevant statistivs say he wasn’t too bad, slightly worse than average.\

    Anyway, the eyeball test on the Yank’s current offense says they can’t afford to give up one Youk AB. So, it’s third vs. RHP and DH vs. LHP. That leaves at most an opening at 3B vs. LHP. Adams could do that, but it would mean seeing either Nix or Brignac at SS every day with no backup or ability to PH for whichever one had the job.

    Not my particular cup of tea.

  27. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    He has 2000 innings at the position since 2010 and there are 27 3B who are NOT negative. He is not ‘slightly below average’ at the position. He is definitely below average at the position. He has one of the worst RZR’s (pure chances made/chances), one of the worst range factors.

    He isn’t good. He is barely passable.

  28. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    I think in the “trade value” world, Overbay has more than Hafner. You could trade Overbay to an NL team in need of a 1b and perhaps get something.

    I don’t think they waive Hafner or him. I think they’ll activate Tex and ride him like a horse and see if the wrist pops taking real game swings.

    If Tex makes it healthy through the next phase of returning players I expect Overbay to be dealt. I don’t think he’s being waived.

    As for Ichiro being waived I don’t see that happening. They paid him a good chunk of change for 2 years and Mr. Austerity who signs the checks doesn’t flush money down the toilet.

  29. blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Youk wasn’t exactly tearing the cover off the ball even before he got hurt .

    He should help but I think Joe should only play him 3 or 4 games a week because that’s all I think he can handle.

    Id make him the DH vs LHP and play him a go or so a week at 1B and 3B

  30. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Oh and playing third gets him hurt all the time! Great! He is basically Miguel Cabrera at third without the offense.

  31. gallagwar May 31st, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Saturday should be one of those old fashioned Yanks-Sox Fenway Park slugfests. I’m placing the over-under on total runs scored at 30.5.

  32. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    If I’m Ichiro I’d take $6 million to play just sometimes lol.. he’ll probably want to see if he can win a ring. The only way to do that would be to make him the 4th OFer (with Wells as your DH).

  33. blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    gallagwar says:
    May 31, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Saturday should be one of those old fashioned Yanks-Sox Fenway Park slugfests. I’m placing the over-under on total runs scored at 30.5.

    they aren’t playing at Fenway

  34. gallagwar May 31st, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    “I think in the “trade value” world, Overbay has more than Hafner. You could trade Overbay to an NL team in need of a 1b and perhaps get something.”

    Then why didn’t a NL team sign him this offseason when he was readily available? Why did he have to take a minor league deal and then get cut by a team who was planning to use a catcher with a hip problem as their 1B?

    I’ll say it again… Hafner, if healthy (admittedly a big if), is a quality professional hitter. He’s pretty much a guaranteed 120-130 OPS+. Overbay is a guaranteed 80-90 OPS+ from a power position. He has no value to anyone but the Yankees right now, and even that value is diminishing quickly. I only want to keep him around as a “thank you” for helping keep the team afloat for the past 2 months. Not because he has value.

  35. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    This whole place was mocking the Red Sox for weakening the left side of their infield by moving Youk back to 3rd… because Youk is not a very good 3B. He’ll break his back playing there trying to make plays out of his range.

    Can we get some numbers comparing him to the other 3Bs in the league?

  36. gallagwar May 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    “they aren’t playing at Fenway”

    HA! Why did I think they were? Comment still stands, but substitute YS for Fenway. More HRs, fewer doubles off the monster and into the triangle, but the same ultimate result: runs galore.

  37. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    A-rod at 3rd from 2010 to 2013 +4 UZR
    Youk at 3rd from 2010 to 2013 -10.3 UZR

    34th worst 3Bman defensively by UZR with a minimum of 1000 innings in the field

    ———————

    Thanks!! I thought he’d be in the bottom of the top 30 but yeah, this sounds right.

  38. gallagwar May 31st, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Furthermore about Overbay’s perceived “trade value”. Why would a team give up something for him when they know the Yankees are going to just release him eventually and they can just sign him?

  39. blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    HA! Why did I think they were? Comment still stands, but substitute YS for Fenway. More HRs, fewer doubles off the monster and into the triangle, but the same ultimate result: runs galore.”

    Hughes is just as likely to shut them down as he is to get shelled and there is no way the yanks score enough to get anywhere close to 30 combined

  40. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Youk wasn’t exactly tearing the cover off the ball even before he got hurt .
    ———————-

    Yeah this is confusing me.. the guy struggle to hit like .230 last season and was hitting below .100 in the week before he went on the DL. If he isn’t scoring runs and isn’t saving you runs… ugh.

  41. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Can we get some numbers comparing him to the other 3Bs in the league?

    I posted them, he is worse than 30th at 3B from 2010 to 2013. He is at the bottom of every category. The only players worse than him are Miguel Cabrera, Michael Young, Aramis Ramirez, Chipper Jones, Wilson Betemit, Mark Reynolds, Edwin Encarnacion, etc.

    Notice that 2 of these guys were moved to 1st/DH. One retired. One is known to be awful but they need his bat there.

  42. bruceb May 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    I’m placing the over-under on total runs scored at 30.5.

    I know we’re playing badly but I don’t think we’ll lose 29-1.

  43. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Ugh, this whole “Youk is going to inevitably hurt himself again” shtick is so overdone.

    Aside from fielding, swinging, running, and climbing the dugout steps, what is so likely to hurt Youk again???? Cut it out.

  44. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Neither Overbay nor Hafner has enough trade value to bring back an impact player.

    As for Hafner vs. Overbay I think you have to look at splits given the current roster so comparing their career OPS+ doesn’t do justice to Overbay’s value.

    Right now, Overbay is capable of outhitting Hafner vs. righties and can be insurance for Tex who would be backed up solely by a guy who has been plagued with injuries for over 2 years now in Youk.

  45. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    gallagwar May 31st, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Furthermore about Overbay’s perceived “trade value”. Why would a team give up something for him when they know the Yankees are going to just release him eventually and they can just sign him?
    —————

    Correct.

    Lyle doesn’t have much/any trade value.

    Aside from the fact that if the Yankees have to cut him a team can get him for nothing, there’s the fact that no GM is dumb enough to trade anything of value for a player like Overbay who has put together a reasonably strong run late in a mediocre career.

  46. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Neither Overbay nor Hafner has enough trade value to bring back an impact player.
    ————————–

    Forget “impact.” Overbay and Hafner don’t have enough trade value to bring back a player.

    Of the two I think there would be more interest in Hafner than Overbay.

  47. bruceb May 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Lester 10-4 in 23 starts vs. Yanks with an ERA of 4.14.
    CC 8-10 in 23 starts vs. Sox with an ERA of 4.33.

    We need our ace to show up tonight, but can we really expect him to turn things around in the space of 5 days?

  48. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    @jnorris427: Tyler Austin made this week’s BA Hot Sheet.

  49. gallagwar May 31st, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    “As for Hafner vs. Overbay I think you have to look at splits given the current roster so comparing their career OPS+ doesn’t do justice to Overbay’s value.

    Right now, Overbay is capable of outhitting Hafner vs. righties and can be insurance for Tex who would be backed up solely by a guy who has been plagued with injuries for over 2 years now in Youk.”

    There are just so many things wrong with this post. I didn’t compare their career OPS+. I compared it in recent seasons. Hafner, even with all his injuries, is still roughly a 125 OPS+ hitter at this stage. Overbay is a sub-100 OPS+ hitter. Overbay’s slightly outhit him vs. RHP this season. 50 games doesn’t mean he’s a better hitter vs. RHP. Hafner’s a more reliable hitter. I don’t think Overbay can keep hitting at the same clip, whereas I think Hafner can.

    I’m not a big Hafner fan. The guy is an injury waiting to happen. But, he can hit as long as he’s healthy and with the exception of a 6-week blip this season, Overbay simply isn’t a MLB player anymore. I think too many Yankee fans are forgetting (or are unaware of) just how bad he’s been in recent years, and how he barely even made a MLB team this year. As I said, I’ll keep him around for as long as possible as an attaboy for his contributions to this point, but not because I think he’s a valuable player. He isn’t.

  50. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Hafner has an OPS of .844. Overbay is .868 vs. righties and can back up a 1B with a bad wrist who is backed by a 3B with a bad back and an injury history.

    I dump Hafner.

  51. UnKnown May 31st, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    The Yanks have only scored 4 more runs than the Astros.
    ——————–
    The comparisons to the Astros offense are awful. Awful.
    xxxxxxxxxxx

    Well this is just because they have slumped recently, it’s not like the offense has been terrible all year long or anything. :roll:

    Have to start hitting better, the pitchers alone can’t keep tossing up one run game gems.

  52. 4 NYY May 31st, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    It’s gonna be a tough year the rest of the way unless we trade for some good young established help !

    Who do we give up ? Maybe we just let it ride out and keep our best.
    Next 2-3 yrs. will see a lot of new faces coming on board.

    Dumpster guys are running out of gas already.

    That “hitting” performance yesterday was an ugly sign.

  53. UnKnown May 31st, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Jack Curry ?@JackCurryYES 7m
    New York beat Boston, 18-9, in media baseball game at Stadium. @TylerKepner got win. @AnthonyMcCarron had 3 run 2B. Lots of contributors.
    ———

    Maybe some of the writers can grab a bat tonight. lol

  54. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    And as I had said from the beginning I’m OK with dumping Hafner IF there is some plan to bring in a 3B of Headley caliber down the road, at which point Youk trumps both Hafner and Overbay.

    For right now, or until that moment arrives and as long as both Tex and Youk are prone to injury I would cling to the healthy guy, dump the injury prone guy who plays no position and deal with the difference in offense over the next 2 months, which could be negligible.

  55. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    “Hafner has an OPS of .844. Overbay is .868 vs. righties and can back up a 1B with a bad wrist who is backed by a 3B with a bad back and an injury history.”

    Tex hasn’t had a .800 OPS vs RHP in 4 years.

  56. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Paragon Sports ?@ParagonSportInt 2h
    #Yankees prospect @CblackNYY has racked up 58 K over his last 48.1 IP! Keep it up Corey! @MinorLeagueBlog @TampaYankees #MiLB

  57. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Hafner’s OPS is build on OBP with some power. Overbay’s OPS is almost all power and its fading.

    Overbay vs righties in May: .250 .301 .471

  58. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Overbay’s trade value is he’s been successful this season against RHP and can play good D.

    If you have a hole this season at 1b that needs to be filled, he can fill it better than a replacement level guy.

    And I never suggested you’d get an impact player for Overbay or Hafner. Show me where I said that?

    I said you could get more for Overbay since he can play in the NL. Maybe you get a low minor leaguer for him.

    Whatever it is, you can get something for him as once he’s waived he’ll be claimed quickly.

    Trade him to the Mets for a minor leaguer. He’ll be better than Ike Davis and will allow them to send Davis down.

    Point is while every GM knows he can be waived at any moment, they also know where they are in the claiming/pecking order and they may not even get a crack at him. If they want him, they’ll give something up.

    You can only deal Hafner in the AL and most AL teams don’t want a DH with no glove in his locker.

  59. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    The difference is still too small to fully expose the roster to Tex and Youk. They can’t be counted on for 1B and someone will scoop up Overbay. Hafner is restricted to the AL teams. Which one grabs him? Are we afraid of the Rays or something, enough to ignore the fragility of Tex’s wrist and Youk’s back and banged up body?

  60. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    I don’t think it would be hard to replace Ich’s production very cheaply, both in terms of dollars and player personnel assets.

  61. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    G. Love I never said you said Overbay would bring an impact player. And if the point is to clear a roster spot more than it is to recover value than I’m going with Overbay for reasons stated.

  62. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    “I don’t think it would be hard to replace Ich’s production very cheaply, both in terms of dollars and player personnel assets.”

    Zoilo Almonte is hitting .300/.389/.464/.853 vs RHP at AAA

  63. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    They need Overbay for the next two or so weeks. If he can bring back a better OF than Wells and Ich are likely to be (if they haven’t turned it around by then), do it.

  64. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    “Zoilo Almonte is hitting .300/.389/.464/.853 vs RHP at AAA”

    There you go, but they have to be willing to accept an adjustment period.

  65. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    “There you go, but they have to be willing to accept an adjustment period.”

    he could probably struggle and post a .626 OPS

  66. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    actually Ichiro’s OPS vs RHP is .542…..I think that’s probably a sample size fluke but still….

  67. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Ichiro actually has a reverse split for his career but it’s relatively even….he did hit RHP better last year.

  68. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Tex’s decline not just a Lohud myth apparently.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/statsi.....so-decline

  69. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    actually Ichiro’s OPS vs RHP is .542…..I think that’s probably a sample size fluke but still….

    ————–

    Oh wow, that bad? Dang.

    They should anticipate Wells being the every day DH next year and Ichiro as strictly the 4th OFer option. Of course… that means they need to add two OFers lol…

  70. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    …It would be kinda awesome if we stole Daniel Murphy from the Mets to play one of the corner positions. He could back up almost all of the INF positions as well.

    Steal him!

  71. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    They wouldn’t let us steal him probably…. but I’d try to steal him!

  72. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    There’s no reason to cut Overbay at this point. Again, the roster doesn’t become an issue until the end of the month. By then a) we should have a clearer indication of whether or not Tex’s wrist is still a problem and b) someone else might get hurt.

    In the end, if someone comes and offers something useful for Overbay, you see if it makes sense and if Tex goes down again you hope that some combination of Youk, Mustellier and Adams can man the corners.

    As for Ichiro. When Granderson comes back the starting OF should be Granderson and Wells in the corners with Gardner in CF. That reduces Ichiro to (at best for him) a platoon role with Wells. In that scenario I think the Yankees would be better off with Boesch than Ichiro.

  73. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Does it count as rule breaking if randy is on a sabbatical?

  74. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if both Wells and Ich aren’t on the roster next season.

  75. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Buster Olney’s video blogs are like watching a 4th grader read their book report to their class.

  76. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if both Wells and Ich aren’t on the roster next season.

    ————————

    Really? I would be.

  77. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if both Wells and Ich aren’t on the roster next season.
    —————-

    I don’t see how that happens unless the Yankees are willing to absorb a lot of money which I doubt.

    If Wells is good enough that someone else wants him, the Yankees will want to keep him. And if Ichiro is bad enough that the Yankees don’t want him I don’t think anyone else would take him.

  78. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Shame

    What would surprise more (pleasantly, btw) is if either or both produce enough during the remainder of the season and the playoffs (note that realists can be optimists) to warrant being on the roster.

  79. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Chip

    I thought Wells “only” costs $2m next season?

    I expect Ich to retire.

  80. bruceb May 31st, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Mike Francesa has been broadcasting live before each game this week. Now we know who da jinx is.

  81. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    “Buster Olney’s video blogs are like watching a 4th grader read their book report to their class.”

    Buster is the worst

  82. austinmac May 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Overbay, a player released in the spring, does not have real trade value. Joba and Hughes, as prospective free agents, likewise have limited value. I suspect they have more value to the Yankees than they could obtain elsewhere.

    I also think Hal has spent all he is going to spend this year. This year may well look like the good old days from next year’s perspective.

    Ichiro is a real pro. However, he looks very old and he simply ios not a regular player on a good team. Statistically, a player with a sub .300 OBP and no power can be a regular if he is a darn good shortstop or catcher. As a corner outfielder, that is abysmal. Three thousand hits is not happening. That said, no way he retires. Players are the last to know when it is time.

  83. gallagwar May 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    “Hafner has an OPS of .844. Overbay is .868 vs. righties and can back up a 1B with a bad wrist who is backed by a 3B with a bad back and an injury history.

    I dump Hafner.”

    You’re a fool if you think Overbay can keep that up. You can also always just sign Overbay again if someone gets re-injured. I doubt anyone is going to sign him.

  84. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Rich – The realist in me says they continue producing at their most recent pace (let’s say their production over the last 3 seasons) and we suffer lol.

    But I join you in your ultimate hopes that they somehow become above replacement level players!

    Limiting their playing time was always critical to their success, IMO, and we just haven’t been able to do that at all.

  85. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I think Hughes has value to some teams because: 1) he can be a #3 starter, especially for a team who plays in a pitcher’s park (that can be the difference in making the playoff or not for some teams); and 2) that team can begin the process of convincing him that X-ville is a great place for him to put down roots.

  86. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Chip

    I thought Wells “only” costs $2m next season?

    I expect Ich to retire.
    —————–

    Rich,

    I’m not sure what the Wells deal is, but if that’s the case it certainly would make him more attractive. Though again, if he maintains this level I think the Yankees will want him back.

    I just don’t think Ichiro is walking away from $6 million.

  87. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Hughes would have value to several teams IMO….Giants, Dodgers….Angels etc. He could help a lot of teams but currently the Yankees need him

  88. austinmac May 31st, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Isn’t Wells free next year since the Yankees are paying the money this year?

    If one looks at the replacement players stats, they are beginning to move toward the direction that is expected. Old players on the decline may have brief rebounds, but long term ones are more rare. Long term rebounds for multiple players happens as frequently as Astros World Series wins.

    Speaking of the Astros, are they outscoring us yet?

  89. luis May 31st, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    I posted Wells and Ichiro’s numbers yesterday… With those kind of corner outfielders the pitching will be under pressure always… It is going to be very hard to win..Gardner is beating both of them… So you either bring someone from within or you trade for an outfielder… The problem I see is that they have almost 26 mil tied to those players… So in order to trade for an OFer, they would need to trade either player ( Ichiro would be my choice ), but I think they are untradeable… So I think Rich’s proposal makes sense ( Almonte )… I think they will have the patience due to current circumstances.

    I would keep Overbay for a while… Until they know that Tex can be relied upon health wise… If I were then I would platoon them, but that’s not going to happen.

    G Love,

    Tex is only going to get worse… He has been declining steadily for the past three years… That’s an enough sample size to be certain about this… But he will boost our capabilities agaisnt LHP.

  90. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    for the grammar police *team that*

  91. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I think Hughes has value to some teams because: 1) he can be a #3 starter, especially for a team who plays in a pitcher’s park (that can be the difference in making the playoff or not for some teams); and 2) that team can begin the process of convincing him that X-ville is a great place for him to put down roots.

    ———————-

    A rental Hughes for Murphy!!!

    (Chip – Remember when we were trying to get Murphy before? Good times, my friend, good times…)

  92. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    BTW, it was mostly just Chip trying to get Murphy and me being like ‘yeah that’s a good idea, let’s do that!’

  93. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Hughes, Marshall and Ichiro to the Dodgers for Ethier

  94. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Youk hit .220/.316/.377/.693 vs RHP last year……Tex hit .239/.331/.438/.770 vs them……they should both help vs LHP but sadly that’s only 1/3 of the games.

  95. Abe Peterham May 31st, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    It’s really this simple.

    The Yankees have no one of trade value, on the field or minors .

    The value is more in keeping than trading..

    So either they get healthy, and put up numbers from 3 years ago from the hurt players, or they spend next year on the free agents.

  96. blake May 31st, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    “Hughes, Marshall and Ichiro to the Dodgers for Ethier”

    the dodgers would have to pay almost all of Ethier’s contract.

  97. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    austin – Wells costs $2.4 million next year.

    Question: If the Yankees trade him does that still stand? That the Angels have to pay the rest of his salary? Or would the deal between the Yankees and Angels be void if the Yankees flip him to another club?

  98. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    If Austin Kearns had trade value as a rental, Lyle Overbay does as well.

    You guys are really myopic. Not all deals are blockbusters. Teams have holes that need to be filled in season and look for players to fill them. They just don’t go looking for stars.

  99. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Shame

    Yes:

    Payments from other clubs for 2013:
    $ 9,500,000 (Vernon Wells) (plus $18.6M in 2014)

  100. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    G. Love is right Abe. The Yankees don’t have a blockbuster type of piece, except maybe Sanchez, who I would be loathe to trade, but they could make moves.

  101. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    I mean, we traded McAllister for Kearns who is now Clevelands’s rotation stalwart.

    And he was a player to be named later. He was a throwaway.

    Saying players have no trade value is just being snotty for the sake of it. Smart GM’s make small moves that sometimes pay off with extra assets they have on their roster.

  102. luis May 31st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Shame,

    I think the deal still stands, the Yankees would have to transfer the money to the team that is adquiring Wells… But. That deal is for next winter… Right now he costs 13,4 mill if I’m not mistaken… That’s way to expensive for a 4th OFer… Our best hope is that his April production is not a mirage and can and will be duplicated on a more consistent basis during the season.

  103. blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Ethier would probably do well in YS and he seems like a guy that needs a change of scenery…..but I’d want no part of that contract unless the Dodgers are paying a lot of it. He can’t hit lefties at all but he and Wells would make a good duo in RF.

  104. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Gotcha, so they could move him.. he would be fairly attractive to an AL team at that price, I’d think. Then again, for that amount in a limited role I dunno that he wouldn’t be worth keeping. It depends on what else they do I guess, but Vernon really shouldn’t be considered the 4th OFer.

  105. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Vernon Wells is free from a luxury tax standpoint in 2014. He is a net 0 because his AAV – Payments = 0. The Yankees still would owe him the physical payroll of 2.4 million.

    If they DFA him they still owe him 2.4 million, but he only counts as $0 for the 189.
    If they trade him, they will not be on the hook for that 2.4 million, and $0 still for the 189.
    If they trade him and offer cashconsiderations, I think it may add money to their luxury tax limit but I’m not sure how exactly it would work and I dont feel like working it out now.

  106. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Shame,

    Murphy would still be a nice pick up – but I don’t think the Mets would do it…maybe Nova and a prospect for him.

  107. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    I wonder if Hal still feels the same about his baseball peeps finding good cheap options…

  108. luis May 31st, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    G Love,

    That says more about our FO than anything else… They clearly ovepaid in that instance…

  109. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Thanks for all of the info guys, and thanks for the various scenarios JF.

    Chip – I like Murphy so much. I’d do that deal in a tenth of a second.

  110. luis May 31st, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Rich,

    He probably does… April is still to fresh in their memories… If they continue to struggle, then he may start questioning his peeps

  111. bruceb May 31st, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Wells was looking a bargain a week ago. Now he looks like a washed-up ball player. That’s the trouble with dumpster-diving. All that glitters is not gold.

  112. blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    “I wonder if Hal still feels the same about his baseball peeps finding good cheap options…”

    I wonder if Hal has watched a game since that interview

  113. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    luis

    That assumes he ever believed it. ;)

    I mean, he’s not a dope. He has to have known that $230m has enabled them to throw a lot of stuff against the wall to see if any sticks.

  114. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    “I wonder if Hal has watched a game since that interview”

    He probably gets a summary from his driver every morning?

  115. Against All Odds May 31st, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Francesa pushing Stanton to the Mets

  116. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    The Yankees need Stanton as much, if not more, than the Mets.

  117. blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    “Francesa pushing Stanton to the Mets”

    Does Francesa want to give up Matt Harvey? cause thats probably the only way they are getting him…..

  118. blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:22 pm

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  119. luis May 31st, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Rich,

    LMAO! They have the excuse that they had 100 mil plus tied up to 6 players… But yeah, 130 mil can buy a lot of stuff… But I still can’t recover from the 26 mil we are spending on Ich and Wells

  120. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Mets don’t have many positional prospects that’s ready to step in, Wheeler and D’arnaud would be two pieces that Yanks can not match at the moment. I see possibility there. Whether mets would do it, who knows.

    but the, Mets could use Stanton just like any other teams.

  121. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    I don’t think Wheeler and D’Arnaud are enough. Then factor in that teams usually ask for more from teams in their division.

  122. blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    I think that it would be counterproductive for the Mets to trade what it’d take to get Stanton personally…..they aren’t close to winning that division. Stanton is young and controllable but if you have to trade away the good players you have to get him then that doesn’t really make you any better….

  123. blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    If the Marlins do put Stanton on the market then my guess is Texas puts Profar in a package and he goes there…..

  124. gallagwar May 31st, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    “Hughes would have value to several teams IMO….Giants, Dodgers….Angels etc. He could help a lot of teams but currently the Yankees need him”

    Why do the Yankees need him? They have perfectly serviceable replacements in Phelps and Nuno. Once Pineda gets back, Hughes is the 5th starter. You don’t need much from your 5th starter.

  125. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Maybe in the offseason we can trade a healthy Pineda and a prospect not named Sanchez. #as if

  126. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Probably not Rich, there are teams who can put up better packages if they choose to. I just think, timeline wise, Yanks are not in a position for blockbuster trade if you don’t want sacrifice Sanchez plus others.

    though, if you want empty a big part of your farm, Stanton is good as any.

  127. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Based on a recent sample of Mets games I’ve recently watched, they might win out the rest of the season. You’re telling me that isn’t enough to win the division?!?!?

  128. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Sorry for the double-recent, I hadn’t recently had a sip of coffee before composing that post.

  129. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    I said it before, I think it would have been beneficial in the long term for Yanks to trade their one year FA would be for some young talents in 13, because my overall assessment of this team in 13 and 14. It ain’t the only way to go, but it make some sense.

  130. UnKnown May 31st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    I do think the offense will start to hit more. Tough to hit worse I’d assume.

    But if CC wants to throw a dominating performance and only put the Offense on the hook for 2 or 3 runs tonight I sure wouldn’t be opposed.

  131. luis May 31st, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Cash,

    If trading for Stanton means gutting the farm.. Then I say “Hasta la vista baby”… No way I make that trade… But if it means Pineda and one of our OFer prospects I would do it.

  132. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    i am pretty sure Pineda is off other team’s radar til he proves he is healthy and able.

  133. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    It’s About the Money had an encouraging post about CC’s velo:

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....o-healthy/

  134. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Pineda needs to get a couple months of starts before he’s on another team’s radar or a realistic choice for the 2014 rotation radar. So he must get those starts! #5winsorbust

  135. blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    “Why do the Yankees need him? They have perfectly serviceable replacements in Phelps and Nuno. Once Pineda gets back, Hughes is the 5th starter. You don’t need much from your 5th starter.”

    well #1 Hughes is a lot more proven than Phelps or Nuno…..and 2 they really need the depth until they see what Pineda is…..even with Pineda. You can’t count on Pineda being better than Hughes this year anyway…..he’s doing well in his rehab it sounds like but he’s far from out of the woods.

  136. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    I wonder if Hal still feels the same about his baseball peeps finding good cheap options…
    —————

    I thought it was the great play of the kids?

  137. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    I would not gut the system for Stanton at this point unless yanks decide supplement their roster with 300 mil payroll from FA, the talent might not even be there.

    The big pic I think here is , with the system currently the way it is, every team with aging core could use a period of bridging and rebuild time.

    The procurement of talents that are sustainable while make sense economically just don’t appear on FA as much as it use to be which has been the crutch for the yanks the last 15 years or so.

  138. blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Hughes has made 10 starts this year…..the first 2 were terrible but since then of the next 8 starts he’s given them at least 6 innings with no more than 2 ERS in all but two starts.

    So basically out of 10 starts this year….6 of them have been good- really good and 4 have been bad-horrible. His clunkers really skew his overall numbers…..

  139. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Hughes… how about this next start is for all the marbles?

    If he does well and pitches the Yanks to a win, that’s it, we ALL love him for the rest of the season.

    If he throws up a stinker, people can hop on the hate train.

    If he tosses one of his murky “great game except for those two homers and those unearned runs that totally weren’t his fault” games, we can all muddle on.

  140. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “I thought it was the great play of the kids?”

    Really? The way he referred to the FO being good at finding cheap options, I thought it was obvious that he meant Overbay and even Wells.

  141. Pat M. May 31st, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    The window to restructure the ballclub closed this past winter when they didn’t move Granderson and Cano……..Not many here were around when Gabe Paul came into town and traded two very popular Yanks, Bobby Murcer and Doc Medich……Those trades sent forth in motion the 76-77-78 run ……Just an opinion

  142. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Hughes has made 10 starts this year…..the first 2 were terrible but since then of the next 8 starts he’s given them at least 6 innings with no more than 2 ERS in all but two starts.

    So basically out of 10 starts this year….6 of them have been good- really good and 4 have been bad-horrible. His clunkers really skew his overall numbers…..
    —————-

    So what you’re saying is that Hughes has been what Hughes has always been – inconsistent.

  143. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    “If he throws up a stinker, people can hop on the hate train.”

    That can be a side bet. But as keyboard GMs we have a more important role to play.

    I love Hughes (make what you want of that!!!!), but the practical side of me thinks that they need to get what they can for him if they aren’t going to keep him.

  144. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    baseball is clearly going down NFL’s path. drafting and development of young players would be paramount to any team’s success in not so distant future.

    MLB wants more parity.

  145. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “I thought it was the great play of the kids?”

    Really? The way he referred to the FO being good at finding cheap options, I thought it was obvious that he meant Overbay and even Wells.
    ——————

    it changes day by day

    Cashman did do a really good job finding stop gap players and those players have worked out better than any of us could have hoped. The Yankees, more often than not, have fielded a team that looks like the squad that pulls road trip duty in Spring Training than anything that resembles a Yankee team that we’ve come to expect and yet they’re still 7 games over .500 and in 2nd place in the AL East.

    That said…stop gaps do not a plan make. I’ll be happy when the regulars return and even some of the irregulars (Cabral and Pineda), but nothing that the team has done – except the pick up of Boesch and giving Adams a legit look – have done anything to improve the long term outlook of the club.

  146. 86w183 May 31st, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    The Yanks got Bobby Bonds for Murcer. It was dealing Bonds for Mickey Rivers and Ed Figueroa that was a key for the run in ’76-’81.

    Dealing Granderson or Cano for prospects would be somewhat similar to the Medich deal, but nothing like the Murcer/Bonds transactions. But isn’t that the last time the Yankees did anything like that?

    I believe the Yanks could afford to deal Hughes for a promising young bat. Pettitte is back Monday and that leaves Nova, Phelps, Nuno and Warren as realistic candidates to be the # 4 and # 5 starters the rest of the way.

  147. blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    “So what you’re saying is that Hughes has been what Hughes has always been – inconsistent.”

    well mostly I’m saying that he’s pretty good most of the time but is prone to bad games because of his fly ball rate mainly……

  148. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Then there’s the CMW question.

    On the one hand, you can never have enough pitching. On the other, the Yankees lack roster flexibility and Wang has feasted on minor leaguers but his peripheral numbers are pretty bad…do you let him go knowing he could wind up starting for a team like the Orioles and come back to bite you?

  149. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    I am very leery of giving Cano beyond 6 years. but that’s just me. 5 would be optimum.

  150. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    “So what you’re saying is that Hughes has been what Hughes has always been – inconsistent.”

    well mostly I’m saying that he’s pretty good most of the time but is prone to bad games because of his fly ball rate mainly……
    —————-

    Right…inconsistent. However you couch it, that’s what Hughes is. It’s what he’s always been. In fact the only consistent thing about Hughes thus far in his career is that he’s inconsistent.

    I mean this in the best way possible, but he’s AJ Burnett and Edwin Jackson. Good enough when he’s on to be a front line starter of almost every team in baseball. Bad enough when he’s off to make you wonder what the heck he’s doing in the majors. Problem is you’re never sure from start to start which one is showing up.

    That’s why you can’t give him a long term contract.

  151. Abe Peterham May 31st, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    We need impact, not fill in….impact doesn’t exist, hence we have fill in…

  152. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    I am very leery of giving Cano beyond 6 years. but that’s just me. 5 would be optimum.
    —————–

    Now you just have to get Robbie drunk enough to accept that.

  153. Pat M. May 31st, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    86w183……One needed to be looking at 2015-2016 when entertaining moving Cano and Granderson. Yanks are plentiful with young pitching it’s the whole at short, 3rd, and center that haunts them in a few years

  154. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Mid rotation/back end guys are inconsistent by definition, else they’d be #1/#2′s.

  155. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Chip

    Gap players are no substitute for a mL pipeline. That’s what has been missing for years. That has what has limited this team’s ceiling, and that is the basis of my primary criticism of Cashman.

    So I agree with this:

    That said…stop gaps do not a plan make. I’ll be happy when the regulars return and even some of the irregulars (Cabral and Pineda), but nothing that the team has done – except the pick up of Boesch and giving Adams a legit look – have done anything to improve the long term outlook of the club.

  156. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 2:56 pm
    I am very leery of giving Cano beyond 6 years. but that’s just me. 5 would be optimum.
    _

    He’s not hitting LHP for the second consecutive year to this point.

  157. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    you right Chip, my conclusion of that is to trade him and let him walk. your suggestion of zob and mccann is not a bad one, but that’s general idea, look for an alternative path in which you take on equal or less risks while be able to compensate offensive lost in Cano.

  158. Macfan May 31st, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    @ Chip May 31st, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    “As for Ichiro. When Granderson comes back the starting OF should be Granderson and Wells in the corners with Gardner in CF. That reduces Ichiro to (at best for him) a platoon role with Wells.

    In that scenario I think the Yankees would be better off with Boesch than Ichiro.”

    ++++++++++++++++

    Especially against Righties, Ichiro has been awful against righties (.193 AVG, .252 OBP, .289 SLG, .541 OPS on the other hand he has hit lefties pretty well (.370 AVG, .364 OBP, .444 SLG, .808 OPS) Strange to say the least.

    Boesch should get the start against righties (.282 AVG, .300 OBP, .590 SLG, .890 OPS)

  159. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Mid rotation/back end guys are inconsistent by definition, else they’d be #1/#2?s.
    —————–

    Correct, and the Yankees have enough mid rotation/back-end guys (Phelps, Nuno, Nova) that they don’t need to pay Hughes the going rate for free agent pitchers. Make him a QO, take the pick.

  160. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Pat M.,

    I think the Yankees can restructure at any time. They can eat money and spend money more than anyone else. It comes down to their willingness to be bold again.

    But yes, if their goal was to slash payroll, bringing back Swisher, Grandy, Hughes, Cano, Joba and not dealing them made little sense.

    You could’ve traded those 5 players for a ton before they became 1 year or less rentals.

  161. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Chip

    Gap players are no substitute for a mL pipeline. That’s what has been missing for years. That has what has limited this team’s ceiling, and that is the basis of my primary criticism of Cashman.
    —————–

    Right, it’s an area in which we agree – that the Yankees are quick to talk about developing talent and slow to actually develop it and even worse at letting it play once they develop it.

  162. Macfan May 31st, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    The irony is Matt Harvey looks like what we thought Hughes would be when he broke in to the majors.

  163. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    you right Chip, my conclusion of that is to trade him and let him walk. your suggestion of zob and mccann is not a bad one, but that’s general idea, look for an alternative path in which you take on equal or less risks while be able to compensate offensive lost in Cano.
    ———————

    I like Cano a lot…I really do.

    But the Braves will likely let McCann walk at the end of the year based on the productivity of Gattis. Ben Zobrist isn’t the player that Cano is, but he’s got a lot of versatility so if a player like Adams or Corban Joseph shows enough to pencil in at 2b – you can move Zobrist to RF

  164. blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “Mid rotation/back end guys are inconsistent by definition, else they’d be #1/#2?s.”

    exactly…..if you look at Hughes’s game logs they go like this most of the time……good, good, good, horrible, good, excellent, good, horrible etc……

    if you could find a way to turn those horribles into fairs and give them a chance to win on his bad days then his overall numbers would look a lot better and he’d be thought of as a better pitcher in general.

  165. blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Jack Curry ?@JackCurryYES 3m
    With Youk/Teixeira back, Nuno will be sent down. Adams/Boesch have options, but possible Yanks shed reliever. Nova has least defined role.

    I’d send Nova down

  166. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    I don’t think Hughes was ever the raw talent that Harvey is. But honestly I did not follow him closely in the minor or even in his brief stint in 07 when he had a nasty slider. honestly, I was never overwhelm by his stuff.

  167. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Me too, Nova needs to start every 5th day.

  168. blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “The irony is Matt Harvey looks like what we thought Hughes would be when he broke in to the majors.”

    eh Hughes never had that sort of stuff…..he had good stuff and a decent curveball at one point but he never threw 97 with a wipe out slider like Harvey has. He was however thought of a frontline starter and the problem is that people are still waiting on him to be that and judging him accordingly

  169. mick May 31st, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Agree on Nova.

  170. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Cash

    Hughes had a nasty curve in 2007.

  171. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    conversely, I was overwhelmed by Joba’s stuff. though, I think Joba’s arm would not have stand the rigors of 200 innings every year.

  172. blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    “But the Braves will likely let McCann walk at the end of the year based on the productivity of Gattis.”

    I think they’ll let McCann walk most likely but Gattis isn’t an every day catcher I don’t think…..I also think the Yankees should sign McCann

  173. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    I become both mad and sad when I think of what Joba might have been as a starter.

  174. blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “Hughes had a nasty curve in 2007.”

    I’ve only seen you tube clips of him in the minors but I don’t think his curve was ever anything like Harvey’s slider

  175. Cashmoney May 31st, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Rich, i think in most cases you other offerings plays off the command of pitcher’s fastball. like blake said, Hughes never threw 97 or 99 and never had impeccable command. He could very well had a nasty curveball, but that’s only part of equation. Can he throw strike in 4 quad with it? Can big league hitter lay off and sit on his fb?

  176. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Sending down Nova makes sense but it only buys you a weekend. Andy’s back on Monday at which point they’re going to need to make another move.

    Plus…is there anyone here who honestly thinks that Joe Girardi is going to go with 11 pitchers even for a couple of days??? The very notion would make his head explode.

  177. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    I become both mad and sad when I think of what Joba might have been as a starter.
    ——————

    When I think of Joba I think of what George famously called Irabu.

  178. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    blake

    I’m not saying that Hughes could ever have been as good as Harvey, only that he had two plus pitches which gave him the foundation to be a bona fide #2. If he ever added a third plus pitch, maybe a #1, but Harvey has Seaver-like ability.

  179. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    And if Pineda can ever be 80% of what Harvey seems to be, get me a big bowl of Montero crow, because I will be happy to stick my face in it.

  180. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    They gave some interesting stats out on Hughes and now I can’t remember them… I should pay more attention to Kay (said no one ever).

    Something about him only giving up 3 runs or less in X percentage of starts.

  181. Macfan May 31st, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Which kind of put Hughes into perspective when you look at Harvey.

    Because I remember the buildup to Hughes coming up, we thought this guy was the next front line starter for us.

    I guess what shows the fragility of prospects is that by next season out of Kennedy, Hughes and Chamberlain, we could have none of them on the Yankees.

    Goes to show how impossible it is to predict these things.

  182. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    And if Pineda can ever be 80% of what Harvey seems to be, get me a big bowl of Montero crow, because I will be happy to stick my face in it.
    ——————-

    Me too!!

  183. 86w183 May 31st, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    I think the Yankees “plan” has been pretty clear.

    They “planned” to get to $ 189 M in payroll in 2014.

    In order to do that they had two choices:

    “Plan-A” Let options expire, plus in young players and hope to be competitive while making a major step toward that $ 189 payroll.

    “Plan-B” Let payroll increase significantly on one-year commitments and give the young players another year to develop without being rushed. The short term veterans should make the 2013 team better without compromising the “plan” of reducing payroll in 2014.

    They chose Plan-B

    Other than the Ichiro signing, which I criticized, every other move since the end of last season has been consistent with the plan.

  184. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Interesting discussion on changing pitching fortunes on the SF Giants’ flagship talk radio station just now.

    Barry Zito has won 18 consecutive home starts (or the Giants have won the last 18 of his home starts, but I think they meant the former). His resurrection has been so complete that the hosts were talking about a possible contract extension for the pitcher who recently had one of the very worst contracts in baseball. Part of that speculation was due to some specifics in his current contract.

    On the other side is Tim Lincecum. The end of his career in SF may be in sight, either at the end of this season (he’ll be a free agent) or even sooner, as the hosts were talking up a potential trade. They were just speculating, not reporting any rumors, but they talked about how trades to either Seattle or the Yankees would make sense. The latter half of that just shows complete ignorance about the Yanks’ current situation, of course. Anyway, pretty stunning collapse for the young Freak.

  185. blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    “I’m not saying that Hughes could ever have been as good as Harvey, only that he had two plus pitches which gave him the foundation to be a bona fide #2. If he ever added a third plus pitch, maybe a #1, but Harvey has Seaver-like ability.”

    agreed…..Hughes may never have become what he could have…..but I think the thing a lot of folks miss is just how many top pitching prospects bust and never even become anything at all. Hughes is at least a serviceable big league starter and that’s a lot more than a lot can say

  186. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Something about him only giving up 3 runs or less in X percentage of starts.

    He allows 3 runs or less in 64% of his starts.

  187. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    The hosts are now continuing the Lincecum convo after a commercial break and one of them just said, as an aside, that he doesn’t think the Yankees would work as a trade partner.

  188. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    “Plan-B” Let payroll increase significantly on one-year commitments and give the young players another year to develop without being rushed. The short term veterans should make the 2013 team better without compromising the “plan” of reducing payroll in 2014.
    _

    Except Plan B is blocking guys that could help reduce costs in 2014. Boesch, Adams, Joseph, and even Almonte could have been given bigger roles.

    At some point, even if prospects aren’t rushed, they still need to surmount a learning curve, and the Yankees haven’t shown the stomach for that in a long time. If a bunch have to do it at the same time, the tolerance factor will have to be even higher.

    Remember, the owner thinks they should be able to win the WS every single year.

    So the choice may be a false one.

  189. G. Love May 31st, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    The Mets had to lose a lot of games to get Matt Harvey so I’m not quite jealous of them and their fortunes on getting that one right.

  190. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    “Remember, the owner thinks they should be able to win the WS every single year.”

    Not really, as their actions continuously show. He might think that they should be able to compete for a WS every single year year, which is a more subjective notion.

  191. blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Hughes would be really good in the Giants park I think…..

  192. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    if I were the NYY I’d pay half of Youkilis salary and trade him to the RS..they could use a 3rd baseman right now

  193. blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    “The Mets had to lose a lot of games to get Matt Harvey so I’m not quite jealous of them and their fortunes on getting that one right.”

    the Yankees don’t get to draft Matt Harveys…..they just don’t…..if they get one they either have to trade for them, sign them as a FA when they are older or get lucky late in the draft or internationally. They just don’t get to draft the pre-packaged studs…..

  194. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    There’s are multiple In-N-Out Burgers within 10-20 minutes (traffic considerations) from AT&T Park, Young Master Philip.

  195. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:32 pm
    Hughes would be really good in the Giants park I think…..

    ———————————————-
    kind of like playing in a ball park with no fences…says a lot about him

  196. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    …within 10-20 minutes of AT&T Park. #stillneedsmorecoffee

  197. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    “Not really, as their actions continuously show. He might think that they should be able to compete for a WS every single year year, which is a more subjective notion.”

    For the purposes of doing what it takes to rebuild a team, there is no practical difference, is there?

  198. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    I wonder if Sux fans are looking at this series the way we looked at some of the series against them when they were not playing very well – though there is a difference between playing a team in a slump and in second place and playing a last-place team.

  199. blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    “kind of like playing in a ball park with no fences…says a lot about him”

    you can still be a bad pitcher in a park with no fences…..there are all kinds of ways to score runs….a bigger park would just help limit the main way Hughes gives them up

  200. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    I would say yes, there is a practical difference.

  201. Tyler May 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Yeah I’d much rather the Yanks keep drafting toward the end of the first round rather than multiple years with top 10 picks like other teams. They can still get plenty of talent at that spot but it takes a little bit of scouting and luck. Ty Hensley missing this entire year is something that is brutal. Also, I think De Paula should be in Tampa… I know they are working on his command but I think he’s getting nothing out of still being in Charleston. Other teams are more aggressive than the Yanks. Though the Yanks are super aggressive in their rehabs which seems dumb sometimes.

  202. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    “The window to restructure the ballclub closed this past winter when they didn’t move Granderson and Cano”

    I’d have to agree with Pat M on that, and add that the austerity insanity of the past winter locked the window shut. Stuck with Wells and Ichiro for another year, when the Yanks desperately need outfield help.

    Anyway, back from the gym and willing to defend the obvious improvement of Youk over Adams for another 30 minutes at least.

  203. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    RS will win two of three for sure and wouldn’t surprise me if they went for the sweep, tonights game is the key game of this series

  204. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    “kind of like playing in a ball park with no fences…says a lot about him”

    you can still be a bad pitcher in a park with no fences…..there are all kinds of ways to score runs….a bigger park would just help limit the main way Hughes gives them up

    ————————
    my point thank you

  205. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Here’s what I’m doing if I’m the Yankees:

    1. Release Ichiro
    2. Send down Nuno
    3. Monday, send down Nova

    Those are your spots for Youk, Tex and Andy.

    Against RHP my lineup is:

    Gardner – CF
    Cano – 2b
    Youk – 3b
    Pronk – DH
    Tex – 1b
    Wells – LF
    Boesch – RF
    Romine – C
    Brignac – SS

    Bench: Adams, Nix, Overbay, Stewart

    When Granderson comes back, Adams goes to AAA and Boesch and Wells platoon in the OF

    To create the 2 spots on the 40 needed for Cabral, Pineda and Cervelli by the end of June I DFA Melky Mesa and trade Joba. Mesa can’t make contact and Joba’s 7th inning role should now belong to Kelley. I would like to keep Claiborne up, but since Cabral needs to stay on the 25 I’m going to send him to AAA and start entertaining offers for Boone Logan.

    I create extra spots by DFAing Chris Stewart and going with Romine and Cervelli as my catchers.

    When Nunez comes back, I keep Brignac over Nix. He’s better defensively and is left handed, meaning that you can use him in a platoon situation with the frail Nunez. And, oh by the way, Brignac and Nunez are the same age.

    Interestingly, Logan could be a pretty valuable trade commodity. A team like the Braves that has lost both of their left handed relief options might kick over a decent prospect for Logan.

  206. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    I would say yes, there is a practical difference.
    _
    How so?

  207. 86w183 May 31st, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Rich in NJ —-

    You’re right, trying to reduce payroll AND remain championship caliber is a very challenging dichotomy because moves to advance one of those goals create obstacles to the other.

    This year is kind of a “treading water” season, but 2014 almost certainly will involve a tremendous amount of turnover with more than $ 100 M coming off the books.

  208. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    I could see the Royals making a play for Lincecum.

  209. trisha - true pinstriped blue May 31st, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    “RS will win two of three for sure and wouldn’t surprise me if they went for the sweep, tonights game is the key game of this series

    CC on a good day seems to struggle against the Sux…

  210. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Trade from the excess number of 4 and 5 starters (Nova, plus) for a passable corner outfielder.

  211. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    “The window to restructure the ballclub closed this past winter when they didn’t move Granderson and Cano”

    I’d have to agree with Pat M on that, and add that the austerity insanity of the past winter locked the window shut. Stuck with Wells and Ichiro for another year, when the Yanks desperately need outfield help.

    Anyway, back from the gym and willing to defend the obvious improvement of Youk over Adams for another 30 minutes at least.
    ——————————
    there’s no improvement in my mind…the guy is a waste

  212. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    “Anyway, back from the gym and willing to defend the obvious improvement of Youk over Adams for another 30 minutes at least.”

    Given what Hafner is currently doing, make Youk the everyday DH and Adams the everyday 3B. Problem solved?

  213. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Anyway, back from the gym and willing to defend the obvious improvement of Youk over Adams for another 30 minutes at least.

    As long as you’re only talking offensively :) Its obvious Youk is a defensive downgrade.

  214. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    The problem with drafting in the MLB is that even high 1st round picks don’t give you any type of guarantee. I know this is true in all cases, but a GM like Louy Lambs was never afraid to trade talent to get a high 1st rounder. But in the NHL those guys are way more battle tested by that juncture and you have highly likelihood that they’ll impact your team within 1-3 seasons.

    If the Yanks want higher picks there are other ways to get them besides losing. But it’s a risk… and one that requires a system that has a lot of skill at scouting and development and I dunno that they’re ready to take those sorts of risks.

  215. Tyler May 31st, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 3:42 pm
    I could see the Royals making a play for Lincecum.
    ————————————————————-

    The Royals are going to do something major. They got off to a hot start (again) but are fading horribly now. Brett’s the new hitting coach and I think that starts changes. It would be awesome to get Alex Gordon but he would command a lot back probably. Heck, maybe they give up on Moustakas and the Yanks can swoop in. I’m hoping Moore panics with his job on the line.

  216. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Wave Your Hat, my idea was Nova for half year of Hunter Pence. Blake insists the Giants will just wait for Hughes but Blake didn’t account for the money difference between Hughes and Nova. Maybe the Giants prefer Nova because he’s cheap is essentially what I’m saying. But I agree with Blake, Hughes is a good fit for that park.

    Blake, I know you feel Hunter Pence would not be made available in a trade and you could be right. My question to you is, what OF is available, an upgrade and a realistic target? We need to make a short list for the board to discuss these options.

    3B is even more limited with Chase Headley or Zimmerman potentially available. Beyond that, I don’t see anything but I could be missing something.

  217. 86w183 May 31st, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Chip —

    The Yanks are not going to DFA Ichiro and eat $ 10 M.

    They might, however see if Seattle has an interest in getting him back in a Mariners uniform.

  218. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    “Given what Hafner is currently doing, make Youk the everyday DH and Adams the everyday 3B. Problem solved?”

    Hafner will be fine as long as he doesn’t have to face LHP. Youk has to play every day, vs RHP at 3B, vs. LHP at DH. Got to try to work in Overbay not infrequently vs RHP as well.

    3B can be Adams vs LHP if you like, but I still don’t like his arm there and it leaves the practical problem of one of Nix or Brignac departing with no backup SS and no way to pinch hit for either one, which is a problem worse IMO than the supposed benefit Adams provides.

    JMO.

  219. Jesus Bustero May 31st, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Tyler,

    Do you think Moustakas could be salvaged?

  220. Wave Your Hat May 31st, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Bustero, I’d have to agree with blake that Nova wouldn’t fetch Pence. But, you are on the right track.

  221. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    WTH

    Some have speculated that the reason that Hafner has struggled so much in May is his shoulder.

    Splits from 7 to 28 days:

    http://www.baseball-reference......;t=b#total

    So maybe DL him?

    I understand the roster crunch, but on a team starved for offense, I can’t see giving two spots to Bignac and Nix.

  222. Chip May 31st, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    “The Mets had to lose a lot of games to get Matt Harvey so I’m not quite jealous of them and their fortunes on getting that one right.”

    the Yankees don’t get to draft Matt Harveys…..they just don’t…..if they get one they either have to trade for them, sign them as a FA when they are older or get lucky late in the draft or internationally. They just don’t get to draft the pre-packaged studs…..
    —————–

    That’s bunk. There are plenty of good teams that not only get good pitchers in the draft but do a heck of a better job developing their pitching prospects as well than the Yankees do.

    Again, in the last 5 years the Yankees have had 6 stud pitching prospects: Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos. Give those talents to a team like Atlanta or St. Louis or Oakland or any number of other teams and you’re getting at least 3 decent major league starters out of them. The Yankees have thus far developed one of them into a back-end starter, traded one, one’s arm is ruined and is out of baseball, another hasn’t pitched in two years and the other two are relievers.

    You can’t keep wasting that kind of talent and then complaining that you don’t develop pitchers like other teams do because other teams draft higher than you.

    I’m pretty sure if the Yankees had the chance to draft David Price he would be the best LOOGY in baseball right now.

  223. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    since 2009 the stiff has only played in 497 from a total of 701 games…the writing is on the wall

  224. Tyler May 31st, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Moustakas has been really, really bad this year and actually hasn’t put up great numbers at any time in the big leagues. I still think he can be a power hitting 3B… don’t know if he can be salvaged but if the Royals panic and you can get him cheap, why not try? I think he’s still got a ton of talent. Maybe he could take advantage of the short porch.

    That being said, I have no idea what the Royals do.. I just know that there is a lot of disappointment and backlash going on in KC right now.

  225. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Nova and Nuno optioned down to AAA. Nova should be in the rotation starting. If he pitches well in AAA he can build his trade value for the deadline.

  226. champ809 May 31st, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Anybody who thinks that the yanks best move is to trade their only centerpiece player who is in his prime and still improving is asinine. That’s like arguing the point that the Tigers would be better off moving Miggy right now for a package of prospects.

    Where is the other middle of the diamond player who’s gonna hit .320-.340/ 35-40 HRS drive in 120 and score 110-120, play gold glove D and play 160-162 games? Keep in mind he’s going to accomplish all of this this season in what amounts to, by Yankees standards, a replacement lineup.

    I don’t think they’ll have to go to 10 years and I’m sure they would like to keep to 6years as well but if it takes 7/175 with a couple of vesting option years to get it done then you do it. The Yanks business model is about winning,greatness and legacy. Robbie represents a homegrown legacy player who has established his brand of being a winning player with HOF level performance in his career. He should be 1 of very few to only have worn the pinstripes. Thank God that he as well as the Yanks ownership understand that better than some on here.

  227. Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Well, you said “should be able to win the WS every single year” so if by able you mean have the ability to compete, then sure, no practical difference.

    Win the World Series or bust does not equal compete for a World Series (last season they competed for a World Series), whether they win it or don’t win it.

    The owner has not behaved as if he thinks they should win the World Series every single year.

    If you step back and say that it will be very difficult to remain a playoff-caliber team while they rebuild, that’s a better point.

    Question: what non-Marlins team (after winning WS) has given up potential playoff seasons to rebuild? That’s more a sincere-inquiry question than a challenge. But it can’t be common, can it?

  228. Russell Munson May 31st, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Matt Moore was an 8th round draft pick.

  229. Jerkface May 31st, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Gardner 8, Youkilis DH, Cano 4, Teixeira 3, Wells 7, Nix 6, Adams 5, Suzuki 9, Stewart 2, Sabathia 1.

    Lineup is looking better. Please score runs.

  230. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    champ809 May 31st, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    Anybody who thinks that the yanks best move is to trade their only centerpiece player who is in his prime and still improving is asinine. That’s like arguing the point that the Tigers would be better off moving Miggy right now for a package of prospects.

    Where is the other middle of the diamond player who’s gonna hit .320-.340/ 35-40 HRS drive in 120 and score 110-120, play gold glove D and play 160-162 games? Keep in mind he’s going to accomplish all of this this season in what amounts to, by Yankees standards, a replacement lineup.

    I don’t think they’ll have to go to 10 years and I’m sure they would like to keep to 6years as well but if it takes 7/175 with a couple of vesting option years to get it done then you do it. The Yanks business model is about winning,greatness and legacy. Robbie represents a homegrown legacy player who has established his brand of being a winning player with HOF level performance in his career. He should be 1 of very few to only have worn the pinstripes. Thank God that he as well as the Yanks ownership understand that better than some on here.

    —————————————–

    NYY centerpiece just might walk in 5 months

  231. Against All Odds May 31st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    blake May 31st, 2013 at 2:20 pm
    “Francesa pushing Stanton to the Mets”

    Does Francesa want to give up Matt Harvey? cause thats probably the only way they are getting him…..

    ———————-

    Mike doesn’t understand you have to give to get.

  232. 86w183 May 31st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Gordon is having a great year and is signed to a reasonable contract so moving him would be flat out stupid.

    Moving Moustakas might be something they’d look at, but lets not forget A-Rod has four more years and Adams has shown he can play. A young OF would be my top priority.

  233. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Nick in SF May 31st, 2013 at 3:55 pm
    Well, you said “should be able to win the WS every single year” so if by able you mean have the ability to compete, then sure, no practical difference.

    Win the World Series or bust does not equal compete for a World Series (last season they competed for a World Series), whether they win it or don’t win it.

    The owner has not behaved as if he thinks they should win the World Series every single year.

    If you step back and say that it will be very difficult to remain a playoff-caliber team while they rebuild, that’s a better point.

    Question: what non-Marlins team (after winning WS) has given up potential playoff seasons to rebuild? That’s more a sincere-inquiry question than a challenge. But it can’t be common, can it?
    __

    He hasn’t? Why do you think that he is blowing much of the projected savings this year?

  234. luis May 31st, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Pat M,

    I agree with your first post… They needed to trade those players toget maximum value then.. That “win now” mantra is not helping the team to achieve sustainable success in the future… At some point they will need to take a step back…

    86,

    Good post.. Yes, trying to rebuild and at the same time stay competitive can be self defeating… They had a window of opportunity to do just that, but they don’t anymore… Unfortunately, they chose to delay the much needed reestructuring for one more year.

    Rich,

    If they want to usher a new dynasty, they will need to show patience and stomach a few not so great seasons… I am fine with it, as long as they have a clear plan for that… At this moment, they are in patching holes mode… But I think as I said before, circumstances will force their hand

  235. joeman May 31st, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    At this moment, they are in patching holes mode… But I think as I said before, circumstances will force their hand
    ———————————-
    like azzes in the seats

  236. austinmac May 31st, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Champ,

    I think your Cano average estimate is high, but your point is well taken. If they move Cano, what do they have left offensively? Not much.

    I argued two years ago, as did others, to trade Swisher and add Beltran. Last year, I said similar things about Granderson. They cannot just let the younger players go and get nothing. They sure better not do so with Cano. They now have an agent who will talk.

  237. austinmac May 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Sad to say, but SS may be their biggest need. If Jeter can come back and play, we don’t know how much, how well or how long. I would, however, be thrilled with an outfielder who may have an upside–one that will be better in 2015 than he was in 2005.

  238. 86w183 May 31st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    later folks… be good tonight, CC

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