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Another home run; another rough start for Hughes

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 01, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes

In a span of five batters, Phil Hughes was at his best and his worst tonight. Those five batters: Three strikeouts, one intentional walk and the Mike Napoli grand slam that sent the Red Sox to an 11-1 win at Yankee Stadium. The bulk of Hughes’ outing was uneventful, but he allowed five runs in the third inning, most of them coming on Napoli’s slam, which came just two batters after Hughes struck out Dustin Pedroia, and immediately before he struck out Stephen Drew and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. Hughes struck out seven in 4.1 innings, but he continues to be as inconsistent as ever. In his previous two starts, he allowed three runs through 13 innings. In his two starts before that; 13 runs in 6.1 innings. It didn’t help that the Yankees scored just one run for the fourth time in six games. It also didn’t help that Adam Warren allowed six runs of his own, four of them coming on home runs by Daniel Nava and Stephen Drew.

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60 Responses to “Another home run; another rough start for Hughes”

  1. Nick in SF June 1st, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    They didn’t even stat their pads. :cry:

  2. Captain Clutch June 1st, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Maybe they send Adams down for 2-3 weeks just to make sure that Tex is healthy. Once they see Tex play everyday and think he looks ok they get rid of Overbay and bring Adams back up. Adams is needed and Overbay will never play if everyone is healthy. Maybe they can trade Hughes or Joba for a bat.

  3. mick June 1st, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Tech on Lebron, this game is over, game 7 Monday.

  4. igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    I think that’s twice Girardi called for the intentional walk and it hurts Hughes. I’d rather him face Ortiz.

  5. mick June 1st, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    with lower expectations, losses are easier to take…g’nite.

  6. Doreen June 1st, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    I am not used to seeing a team shut down in the 4th inning.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 1st, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Play tomorrow, win tomorrow.

    *************

    If it makes anyone feel any better, there was some MLB fan and player poll about which team had the best uniform in baseball and fans and players agreed it was the New York Yankees.

    :)

  8. bruceb June 1st, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Hughes can’t stop giving up home runs. The Yanks can’t hit any. Kuroda better have no-hit stuff again tomorrow night. Are the bats ever going to break out?

  9. JobaTipsHisCap June 1st, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Heat wins game 7.
    Pacers are so annoying.

  10. mick June 1st, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    one more note:

    Bryan Hoch @BryanHoch

    Down at Triple-A, Chien-Ming Wang threw seven scoreless innings tonight in a win at Durham. His ERA dropped to 2.33.

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 1st, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Dubrount got a head of steam when he got the 5-run lead. Not too hard to understand.

    Turn the page, this stinker is over.

    Good night all.

    :)

  12. igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    I was wondering why Montero wasn’t playing the last 2 games. He has a torn meniscus on his knee. Missing 4-6 weeks

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 1st, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    “Are the bats ever going to break out?”

    They started to yesterday. I expect to see more of it tomorrow.

    There will be a certain number of stinkers for every team, every season. We just got one of ours out of the way.

  14. fantasygame101 June 1st, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    If hughes keep being inconsistent, he is going to be affordable bec. his price range will be that of a no. 5. Bad time for him to be pitching this way.

  15. mick June 1st, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Clay Rapada ? @pada5something

    Say hi to june
    =====================
    Pada is the new Joba.

  16. Captain Clutch June 1st, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    It sounds like Girardi has run out of excuses for Hughes. At least he can admit that his pitching and lack of weapons is a problem

  17. mick June 1st, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    If hughes keep being inconsistent, he is going to be affordable bec. his price range will be that of a no. 5. Bad time for him to be pitching this way.
    ================================
    SIGN HIM NOW!!!

  18. CCBiggs June 1st, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Why should Hughes stay in the rotation? His ERA for the season is well above 5.00 and the Yanks have other options (Nova, Nuno, etc). It seems like Hughes has a guaranteed spot in the rotation no matter what he does. It makes no sense!

  19. austinmac June 1st, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Hughes’ awful start masks the continuation of the abysmal offense. Tex and Youk were 1-7 with 6 Ks. They cannot compete with this offense. Put Musty in the outfield. Sit Ichiro.

  20. Captain Clutch June 1st, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand

    Yanks have scored one run in four of last six.

  21. igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    He has hopefully 20 more starts this year. He should be better if history is an indicator. He’ll probably have 11-12 more quality starts in that time. Unless he completely falls apart.

  22. mick June 1st, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Gardner
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Hafner
    Tex
    Youk
    Boesch
    Brignac
    Romine

    Line up tmw.

  23. mick June 1st, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    Trade Hughes, give Nuno his shot.
    Nova and Wang if he has trouble.

  24. igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Take away his first 2 starts he has a 4.76 ers and is 2-2

  25. mick June 1st, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Hughes is gone next year , trade him while he still has value.

  26. bruceb June 1st, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    There will be a certain number of stinkers for every team, every season. We just got one of ours out of the way.

    8-3 (Rays), 9-4 (Mets) and 11-1 (Sox). Glad we got three out of the way this week.

    Too many automatic outs in this lineup and with Tex and Youk combining for six strikeouts tonight, it doesn’t seem as though things are going to change any time soon. They’re so desperate they’re letting Tex rehab in the Majors rather than the Minors, which is plain dumb.

  27. tucker June 1st, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    The Yanks have scored 223 runs this year and allowed 215. Another game like this, and the Yanks will have a negative run differential for the year. Probably hasn’t happened this late in the season since the early 90s.

  28. igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    Last year this time in his first 11 starts. Hughes had a 5 era. But his first June start he threw a complete game against the Tigers. He also had a full spring training last year.

  29. mick June 1st, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    It doesn’t matter what Hughes does.
    Nuno or Nova could replace him.
    They won’t spend the money on him next year anyway…

  30. tbone1570 June 1st, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Take away his first 2 starts he has a 4.76 ers and is 2-2

    ————————————————————

    Do you consider having a 4.76 ERA as being a good thing?

  31. Doreen June 1st, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Youk said last night that the pitching is better at the ML level so it’s still going to take time to get your timing back no matter how long you stay rehabbing in the minors.

    That said why not a couple of games in AA and then a couple of games in AAA? I know you have to work it out with home/road schedules and all, but that would seem to make some sense.

  32. igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Some positives for Hughes today. His strikeouts and he hit 95. And his offspeed looked pretty good. He got some good outs with it.

  33. mick June 1st, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    What is the purpose of a 4 or 5 starter?
    They aren’t that important and can certainly be replaced.

  34. bruceb June 1st, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Hughes is what he is; it’s pot luck what you’re going to get from him on any given night. What concerns me more is that the offense never seems to be able to chip away at a lead. One bad inning and they run up the white flag.

  35. NYY fan in NH June 1st, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    God, I hate losing to the Sox. Let alone 11-1. Sick to my stomach

  36. mick June 1st, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    The JV did a good job but the dog days are here…

  37. igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    tbone1570 June 1st, 2013 at 11:09 pm
    igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Take away his first 2 starts he has a 4.76 ers and is 2-2

    ————————————————————

    Do you consider having a 4.76 ERA as being a good thing?
    ——-

    No. But he’s not giving up 4.76 runs a game.

  38. Fran the original June 1st, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    What exactly do I have to do to be banned when I want to be banned?

    Chad, would you please ban me? I thought if I could stay undetected through the Red Sox series, we might win all 3 games. Once I was detected, I tried to be banned, but to no avail.

    Please ban me, otherwise your family addresses will be out and about.

  39. igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    We need A-Rod back more than ever. I wonder if he’ll get the same fan reaction Tex got.

  40. bruceb June 1st, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    God, I hate losing to the Sox. Let alone 11-1. Sick to my stomach.

    At least we took a game off them and still have a chance to win the series. Getting swept 4-0 by one of the worst Mets teams in recent history was, for me at least, the ultimate humiliation.

  41. Jerkface June 1st, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    “Are the bats ever going to break out?”

    They started to yesterday. I expect to see more of it tomorrow.

    Did they start to or was it just a game where they scored 4 runs? A thing they did 14 times in May. A month in which they averaged 3.6 runs per game. To average 3.6 runs per game you must score 4 at some point by definition.

  42. tbone1570 June 1st, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    tbone1570 June 1st, 2013 at 11:09 pm
    igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Take away his first 2 starts he has a 4.76 ers and is 2-2

    ————————————————————

    Do you consider having a 4.76 ERA as being a good thing?
    ——-

    No. But he’s not giving up 4.76 runs a game.

    ========================================

    Correct, but if he pitched completebgames, he would be giving up significantly more then 5 run per game.

  43. Jerkface June 1st, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    They are hitting .247 .308 .403 .711 as a team, and in the game yesterday they hit hit .250 with a .649 OPS as a team. It wasn’t exactly an offensive attack.

  44. bruceb June 1st, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    No point players coming back into the lineup if they’re not ready to produce. There was a general gasp on LoHud the day Cashman announced Tex would return after just two ML rehab games. Guess he knows best.

  45. Jerkface June 1st, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Vernon Wells OBP may have dipped below .300 with this 0 for 4. His OPS is in the mid 700s.

  46. igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    tbone1570 June 1st, 2013 at 11:24 pm
    igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    tbone1570 June 1st, 2013 at 11:09 pm
    igotid88 June 1st, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Take away his first 2 starts he has a 4.76 ers and is 2-2

    ————————————————————

    Do you consider having a 4.76 ERA as being a good thing?
    ——-

    No. But he’s not giving up 4.76 runs a game.

    ========================================

    Correct, but if he pitched completebgames, he would be giving up significantly more then 5 run per game.
    ——–

    If he pitched complete games his era would be lower. Just like if CC didn’t get those extra innings when he’s not pitching well his era would be higher. I’m glad Joe let Hughes pitch another inning. I would have liked for him to finish the 5th but still.

    And there have been instances where Hughes could have gone an extra inning. Especially last year when he had back to back starts of 8ip. He could have pitched the 9th in both of those games. And in one of them the bullpen almost blew it. I think Joe used 2 or 3 pitchers in the 9th.

  47. RSM June 1st, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Hughes and Warren spit the bit, but…
    It didn’t matter anyway.

    Had Hughes pitched 9 innings and only given up 2 runs, they would have lost anyway.
    2-1 or 11-1, a loss is a loss.

    Pitching is not what ails this team.
    The offense is a real problem.

  48. tbone1570 June 1st, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    If he pitched complete games his era would be lower

    ——————————————

    your assumption is that he wouldn’t give up more earned runs in those incremental innings?

  49. austinmac June 1st, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    Why is anyone surprised when players revert back to what they have been the last couple of years? That is why aging, declining players is not a good thing. The players we hope to get back are older yet.

  50. bruceb June 1st, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    12 runs in the last six games, four of them at home. Their average is actually dropping.

  51. Niblick June 1st, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    Activating Tex and Youk when not ready was just another Cashman panic move. Anyone remember Hughsie’s first start?

  52. astrocityfan June 1st, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    I was at the Scranton game and Wang looked good. So did Neal an Musty. Neal is hitting 350. I wonder if any of them could help :)

  53. tucker June 1st, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    “Why is anyone surprised when players revert back to what they have been the last couple of years? That is why aging, declining players is not a good thing. The players we hope to get back are older yet.”

    Geritol holds the keys to the kingdom?

  54. disco stu June 1st, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    It’s games like this one where offensive shortcomings really come into play. If the pitching is not good, the Yankees dont win … plain and simple.

    Thru today’s game, the Yankees have had only 2 wins so far this year where the opponent scored 5 runs or more – in April at Cleveland and in May at KC … both games they won 11-6.

    So a game like tonight where Hughes didnt have it, the Yankees had no chance to rally and maybe find a way to outslug Boston.

    With the dog days coming and the pitching bound to go thru periods of mediocrity, will this offense be able to win game 7-5, 9-6, 10-9? Unless they intend to simply “outpitch” everyone this year and win prolifically by scores 3-1 and 4-2 night in and night out, if they dont start slugging more consistently they could drop in the standings pretty quick.

    BTW, the next 2 games are dicey … Kuroda against Bucholz and then Andy against Masterson when Cleveland comes to town.

  55. Captain Clutch June 2nd, 2013 at 12:00 am

    I would bet money that Tex told Cashman he wants to get his timing back in the majors and he is really against playing in minor league games. Cashman is smart he knows it takes Tex a long time to start hitting and I can’t see this being his idea. Tex should have played at least 2-3 weeks in AAA.

  56. igotid88 June 2nd, 2013 at 12:00 am

    tbone1570 June 1st, 2013 at 11:47 pm
    If he pitched complete games his era would be lower

    ——————————————

    your assumption is that he wouldn’t give up more earned runs in those incremental innings?
    ———-

    Same as yours that he would. But more likely than not he’s a better pitcher than that. He doesn’t walk many batters and most of the hits he gives up are bloopers and seeing eye singles.

  57. Niblick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Musty and Neal will never be given a chance. At age 28 and 25, respectively, they’re at least 10 years too young for this team.

  58. tbone1570 June 2nd, 2013 at 12:07 am

    igotid88 June 2nd, 2013 at 12:00 am

    tbone1570 June 1st, 2013 at 11:47 pm
    If he pitched complete games his era would be lower

    ——————————————

    your assumption is that he wouldn’t give up more earned runs in those incremental innings?
    ———-

    Same as yours that he would. But more likely than not he’s a better pitcher than that. He doesn’t walk many batters and most of the hits he gives up are bloopers and seeing eye singles.

    ==============================

    My assumption would be that he would give up runs at a higher rate later in the game due to several factors like getting tired from throwing more pitches, batterrs doing better after seeing him several times in the same game, etc….

    Just a difference of opinions between us.

  59. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 12:10 am

    disco stu June 1st, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    It’s games like this one where offensive shortcomings really come into play. If the pitching is not good, the Yankees dont win … plain and simple.

    Thru today’s game, the Yankees have had only 2 wins so far this year where the opponent scored 5 runs or more – in April at Cleveland and in May at KC … both games they won 11-6.

    ===

    The Red Spx jave only won 3 games this year when their opponent scored 5 or more runs. It’s not easy to win when your opponent scores 5 or more runs.

  60. yankeepankee June 2nd, 2013 at 12:48 am

    Folks:
    Can’t defend Cashman anymore.
    With the money to hire the best scouts, farm system coaches, trainers, doctors..Cashman, his scouts, farm directors, etc. have done a horrible job drafting players and signing international amateur free agents.
    You have to stumble across a star-caliber position player, starting pitcher, even a solid lefty relief specialist over the last several years and Cashman has come up empty.
    Flops, horrid amounts of arm injuries and surgeries to pitchers..
    And before MLB decreed spending limitations on international free agents, the Yankees should have stockpiled talent there like the rangers and other teams did.
    Cashman and his incompetent staff have left the Yankees in bad shape for years. And now most teams have signed their top young players to long-term deals and he can’t go the spend-big bucks on major league free-agents route anymore.

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