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One day until decision day

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 02, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Lyle Overbay, Jose Lobaton

One more day before the Yankees make their decision. Or at least, one more day before they announce their decision.

Andy Pettitte will come off the disabled list tomorrow, and the Yankees will decide who stays and who goes. The most logical roster setup — to backup each position and bring some left-right balance to the lineup — requires that the Yankees cut ties with Lyle Overbay, but Overbay’s been terrific and provides valuable insurance behind Mark Teixeira and Travis Hafner, who players with a history of injuries.

“I would never tell you the move we were going to make before we make the move,” Joe Girardi said. “Because, A: There’s feelings in that clubhouse. B: You don’t ever want a guy feeling like he’s going to be the guy going down, and (he’s) just kind of a lame duck. So I would never give you any idea what we were going to do because my job is to get the most out of the guys in the room, and they are all very important to us. The other thing is, something could happen before Monday.”

At this point, what are you hoping the Yankees will do? And more importantly, what are you expecting them to do? Here are five options, some more realistic than others.

David AdamsOption David Adams to Triple-A
Technically speaking, the Yankees don’t need Adams any more. Youkilis can play third base every day, Jayson Nix/Reid Brignac can back up every infield position, and Adams has cooled considerably after that red hot start. Yet the Yankees are giving every indication — in a Brian Cashman radio interview, in Girardi’s pregame press conferences — that Adams isn’t going anywhere. The Yankees need a right-handed hitter to DH against lefties, and Adams gives them that.

Designate Lyle Overbay for assignment
With Travis Hafner at DH and Mark Teixeira at first base, there’s really nothing for Overbay to do on a regular basis. Hafner has been a better hitter, Teixeira has been a better overall player, and it’s worth wondering whether the Yankees can give a roster spot to a pinch hitter who provides no defensive flexibility. Hard to imagine Overbay clearing waivers, and it’s also hard to gauge the trade value of a platoon first baseman who’s had two good months.

Option Brennan Boesch to Triple-A
Boesch doesn’t have an everyday role, but he does have a role. Right now, he’s the only true outfielder on the bench. The only thing that gives the Yankees the option of sending him to Triple-A is the fact Jayson Nix can play the outfield corners and could serve the unusual role of platoon shortstop and backup outfielder. But obviously that wouldn’t be ideal. It’s especially not ideal because Ichiro Suzuki has been wildly unpredictable this season, and Vernon Wells has gone cold after his hot start.

Designate Reid Brignac for assignment
This one seems like a real long shot to me, but I’ve heard it mentioned — not by anyone with the Yankees — so I’ll mention it here. The Yankees could decide to play Nix everyday at shortstop and assume that either Adams or Robinson Cano could handle the position in a real emergency. They’ve played without a backup shortstop other times this season, but that was only because of injuries to Eduardo Nunez. Now that Nunez is on the DL, and not particularly close to coming back, it’s hard for me to believe the Yankees could cut ties with a good fielder who bats left-handed.

Go with a six-man bullpen
It seems to be a safe assumption that the Yankees will get rid of a position player, but for the sake of argument, is it possible they’ll temporarily get rid of a reliever to buy some more time before making a decision on Overbay? This is another scenario that seems unrealistic, especially now that they’re down to just one reliever who’s capable of pitching more than a couple of innings at a time. It’s hard to see this happening — especially knowing that neither Vidal Nuno or Ivan Nova can be recalled for another week or so — but I suppose it’s technically an option.

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247 Responses to “One day until decision day”

  1. MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Chad, I don’t understand why a 6 man bullpen can’t work-they have a bunch of guys to fill that spot (Warren, Nova, Nuno, Marshall) why not just run a Scranton shuttle with them so they always have a fresh arm in the ‘pen?

    The Yankees are challenged offensively, the long reliever fills pretty much a mop-up role anyway.

  2. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Gardner,Cervilli,Joba,Youkilis & Hughes you can have them all

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    alright then I’ll give you all of them just for jose

    Anybody need, Colby Rasmus?

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    is his dad still his agent

  3. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:08 am

    blake says:
    June 2, 2013 at 9:07 am
    “I also don’t buy into the modern ‘strikeouts don’t mean anything’ mentality in baseball.”

    One of my least favorite ” new age” things about the game. I hate strikeouts and I do think they matter a lot

  4. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Jmills,

    Rasmus is one of those players who I expect to play better than he has. That said, trade you Nova and Joba for him.

    We have the power to make trade, don’t we?

  5. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Let me join in hating strike outs. What ever happened to cutting down on your swing with two strikes?

  6. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    As I said yesterday Id DFA brignac and try to slip him through waivers and assign him to AAA…..if Mixmwent down then either Adams or Cano could man SS for the rest of the game until a roster move could be made.

    It’s not ideal but with the Yanks offense they can’t take one of their better bats vs LHP out of the lineup to worry about a back up SS IMO.

    Nothing about this roster is ideal anyway so I think the main focus needs to be on making sure you can put the best lineup possible on the field…..and worry about more injuries if they happen

  7. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:14 am

    austinmac says:
    June 2, 2013 at 9:11 am
    Let me join in hating strike outs. What ever happened to cutting down on your swing with two strikes?

    It’s one thing if Adam Dunn is taking a hack with 2 strikes…..everybody does though….you have not bat SSs out there swinging from their heels in 1-2 counts

  8. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 9:11 am
    Let me join in hating strike outs. What ever happened to cutting down on your swing with two strikes?

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    are you talking about Gardner ?….if so I don’t understand how he can K so much being the type of hitter he should be….and if your not then I’ll butt out

  9. NYYROC June 2nd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Lotsa good observations about PH in last post. IMO he may never be a #1, but I think he has the talent to be better than he is. His biggest problem IMO, is he is way too predictable. I don’t understand how he doesn’t see this. Does LR tell him and he just doesn’t listen or what? Pitching is all about keeping hitters off balance. He doesn’t do that. His offspeed will never get better if he doesn’t throw it. Unbelievably frustrating. PH says the same things post game but never fixes the problem.

  10. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    The Dodgers could use Hughes + Joba. Trade them Hughes + Joba + Nunez for Hanley Ramirez. Hanley can play SS or 3B and that ends the debate about whether the Yankees should target a SS or 3B. You can get BOTH in one player. Hanley, Jeter and Arod could rotate between SS, 3B and DH. That takes care of the here-and-now and 2014.

  11. MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:17 am

    blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:14 am
    austinmac says:
    June 2, 2013 at 9:11 am
    Let me join in hating strike outs. What ever happened to cutting down on your swing with two strikes?

    It’s one thing if Adam Dunn is taking a hack with 2 strikes…..everybody does though….you have not bat SSs out there swinging from their heels in 1-2 counts
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    both Nix and Gardner strikeout way too much-Hafner and Youk are K’ing at a ridiculous rate as well but at least they have power to partially offset that.

    Have the Yankees put on a single hit and run the entire season?

  12. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Hughes needs to pitch in the other ballpark in NY….

  13. jmills June 2nd, 2013 at 9:19 am

    I’d take Joba and Nova for, Colby. Your problem child for mine. ( Never can have enough pitching )

  14. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    1) Hanley has been hurt and hasn’t been a good player in years
    2) he’s fairly expensive
    3) he’s probably not make up wise what they are after
    4) where do you play everybody when Arod and Jeter come back?

    Other than those things…..ok :)

  15. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Good morning all —-

    Here’s how I would rank the choices

    1. Six-man bullpen. Seeing how I’ve always been an advocate for an 11-man staff why abandon that principle? I’d probably send Warren down and maybe see about stretching him out. If you have a long game for the pen you can always make another move to get someone up. A second SS or 4th OF is more likely to make a difference in winning/losing a game than the 12th man on the pitching staff.

    2. Send Adams down. Makes the most sense with Youkilis and Teixeira back and will ensure he gets regular playing time until One or both older guys gets hurt again.

    3. Send down Boesch. Not a good idea at all, but better than the other two.

    4. DFA Brignac. Bix is a lousy SS. Brignac should start vs RHP and be late inning defense against LHP. Very useful player on a daily basis.

    5. DFA Overbay. He’s been very good and is crucial insurance against more health problems for Tex and/or Youk. A must keep in my mind.

    That’s my ranking of Chad’s list, but to be honest with you, I’d put Hafner on the DL.

  16. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Jmills,

    How about Hughes, Nova, and a prospect for Joey Bats? :)

  17. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 am
    The Dodgers could use Hughes + Joba. Trade them Hughes + Joba + Nunez for Hanley Ramirez. Hanley can play SS or 3B and that ends the debate about whether the Yankees should target a SS or 3B. You can get BOTH in one player. Hanley, Jeter and Arod could rotate between SS, 3B and DH. That takes care of the here-and-now and 2014.

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    nice idea….

    on the line about SS …JJ Hardy is having a nice 3 year run, he was good in 07 & 08 then injuries set in

  18. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Putting Hafner on the DL should absolutely be a consideration if he’s hurting….it doesn’t solve anything long term but it kicks the can down the road a couple of weeks and could potentially get Haf where he can hit again

  19. jmills June 2nd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    My neighbour, Cathy, is beside herself. She hates Dickey, but you have to understand, she’s a Raptors fan. Somehow, her heart is intact.

  20. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:24 am

    blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:20 am
    1) Hanley has been hurt and hasn’t been a good player in years
    2) he’s fairly expensive
    3) he’s probably not make up wise what they are after
    4) where do you play everybody when Arod and Jeter come back?

    Other than those things…..ok :)

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    I don’t think you’ll see much of Jeter & Arod playing the field any more…

  21. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Unless you can acquire the Hanley Ramizez of pre-2010 I’m not the least bit interested.

    The need a RF power bat more than anything else right now. Ichiro and Hughes for Morse?

  22. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Blake,

    What are the odds both Jeter and AROD come back healthy enough to play regularly this year? I’d say far less than 50%.

    Since a good shortstop or catcher is probably impossible to acquire, I would try to add an outfielder. Headley would also make me very happy, but he is probably too costly.

  23. jmills June 2nd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    blake, what kind of prospect are we conversing about?

  24. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    1) Hanley has been hurt and hasn’t been a good player in years

    _____________

    Finally healthy

    http://espn.go.com/blog/los-an.....-star-form

    2) he’s fairly expensive

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    Yet prospects are fairly unreliable

    3) he’s probably not make up wise what they are after

    ________________

    Well neither is Joba. Hanley has never been part of a team like this anyways.

    4) where do you play everybody when Arod and Jeter come back?

    ____________

    Hanley, Jeter and Arod could rotate between SS, 3B and DH. Youk and Tex share 1B. Or maybe Youk goes in that deal or in a separate deal.

  25. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Good morning all

    The Yankees, as said above need offense above all. How can you cut Overbay, who is 2nd on the club with RBI’s. The two righty bats that came back two days ago, struck out 3 times each in their 4 at bats, mainly versus a lefty.

    Send Warren down for Pettitte.
    Send Boesch down for Mustelier who has been playing 3rd and RF and has his average up to .292 after a 3 for 5 night.
    Or as Blake and others have said, cut Brignac and hope he sneaks thru waivers.

  26. jmills June 2nd, 2013 at 9:28 am

    When Dave Stieb and Dustin McGowan make it back to the fold, everything is peaches.

  27. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:26 am
    blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    1) Hanley has been hurt and hasn’t been a good player in years

    _____________

    Finally healthy

    http://espn.go.com/blog/los-an…..-star-form

    2) he’s fairly expensive

    _______________

    Yet prospects are fairly unreliable

    3) he’s probably not make up wise what they are after

    ________________

    Well neither is Joba. Hanley has never been part of a team like this anyways.

    4) where do you play everybody when Arod and Jeter come back?

    ____________

    Hanley, Jeter and Arod could rotate between SS, 3B and DH. Youk and Tex share 1B. Or maybe Youk goes in that deal or in a separate deal.

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    so you want to trade Hughes,Joba & Youkilis….include Gardner & Cervilli & I’ll piss my pants with joy

  28. jmills June 2nd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Hi YT!. Haven’t crossed you in a while :)

  29. MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Mustelier should be brought up, he’s hitting at Scranton and adds something the Yankees desperately need-someone who makes consistent contact and can go the other way.

    Only 12 K’s in 120 ABs this year, averages about the same in other years.

  30. Giuseppe Franco June 2nd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    LOL. Hanley Ramirez.

  31. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 9:31 am

    What are the odds both Jeter and AROD come back healthy enough to play regularly this year? I’d say far less than 50%.
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    I’d have to agree as both are unlikely to be able to resume their natural positons in the field on a regular basis.

  32. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    If they have a chance for Hanley, maybe line up a separate deal including Youkilis + Gardner for an upgrade in the OF. Who? I have no idea.

  33. MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Youk has no trade value unless the Yankees take back almost his whole salary for the season.

  34. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Don Mattingly on Hanley Ramirez

    ANAHEIM, Calif. – Hanley Ramirez said he felt more confident than he had in three years when he came off the disabled list at the end of April. Why?

    “Because of this,” Ramirez said, gesturing to the three-inch scar on his left shoulder, a souvenir from September 2011 surgery. It took Ramirez that long — 18 months — to feel as if he was back to being himself following the surgery.

    “To me, Hanley has looked really good. In spring, he was hitting a lot of balls the other way, he had a simpler leg kick and wasn’t near as big,” manager Don Mattingly said. “It’s hard to know really what to expect because he essentially hasn’t played since spring training. I know how good Hanley is.”

  35. Locke June 2nd, 2013 at 9:35 am

    From MLB Trade Rumors:

    The Dodgers might not be in as strong of a position for Robinson Cano as they initially appeared. Clayton Kershaw is going to go for ~$200MM and the team might not be able to take another contract in that range. As Josh Kosman and Mark DeCambre of the New York Post reported earlier this week, the club will have to commit a greater percentage of their deal to revenue sharing than the originally thought. That could cost them more than $1B over 25 years and that could affect their ability to maintain skyhigh payrolls.

  36. jmills June 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    The whole baseball world is peeked at the showing again of, Arod. I hope he passes, Barry Bonds who had no place being anywhere near, Aaron, but…..I guess he did.

  37. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 am
    Youk has no trade value unless the Yankees take back almost his whole salary for the season.

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    are you saying they overpaid for him ?

  38. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I repeat…. the 12th pitcher is not as likely to impact a win than the backup (superior defensive) Shortstop or 4th Outfielder.

    If Hafner can’t go today put hm on the DL, otherwise send Warren down. He needs 4-5 days off anyway.

    If they need a spare arm Betances can come back soon or they could give Wang a shot.

  39. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    As far as Phil Hughes is concerned, he remains consistently inconsistent, and predictable. If the Yankees/Cashman start getting calls on his availability in a trade, I’d be all ears. Foolish to lock him up for 4-5 years at some 12M or so a year to give up homers in YS at an alarming rate.

  40. Madrugador June 2nd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    “Fasten your seatbelts. It’s going to be a bumpy (night).”
    Too much sun to stay. All be well, Go Yanks!

  41. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    It’s probably true you can’t move Youkilis but the deadline is still 2 months away so anything can happen. And the overpay for Youk is no excuse to not improve the ball club if a chance presents itself for Headley or Hanley. I guess it could be used as an excuse, but it shouldn’t.

  42. MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:40 am

    joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 am
    MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 am
    Youk has no trade value unless the Yankees take back almost his whole salary for the season.

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    are you saying they overpaid for him ?
    —————–
    I said what I said.

    If he continues to play at the current level he isn’t worth half of what they paid him but I think the jury is still out.

    Certainly if his back continues to be an issue they shouldn’t have signed him at all at any price.

  43. Giuseppe Franco June 2nd, 2013 at 9:40 am

    The flop of a baseball season the Dodgers have had so far in 2013 may make ownership think twice about dropping another $200M on Cano, especially since Kershaw is going to get a huge payday as well.

  44. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 9:38 am
    As far as Phil Hughes is concerned, he remains consistently inconsistent, and predictable. If the Yankees/Cashman start getting calls on his availability in a trade, I’d be all ears. Foolish to lock him up for 4-5 years at some 12M or so a year to give up homers in YS at an alarming rate.

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    he would pitch well in SD…package him with ? and get CH here

  45. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:42 am

    MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:40 am
    joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 am
    MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 am
    Youk has no trade value unless the Yankees take back almost his whole salary for the season.

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    are you saying they overpaid for him ?
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    I said what I said.

    If he continues to play at the current level he isn’t worth half of what they paid him but I think the jury is still out.

    Certainly if his back continues to be an issue they shouldn’t have signed him at all at any price.

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    saying that since the day they signed the Stiff

  46. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Joeman,

    Of course they overpaid for Youkilis. Tell me anything about his stats the last two years that suggests he is. Same for Ichiro. But, they’re veterans, and we love veterans. Even ones near retirement.

  47. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 9:42 am
    Joeman,

    Of course they overpaid for Youkilis. Tell me anything about his stats the last two years that suggests he is. Same for Ichiro. But, they’re veterans, and we love veterans. Even ones near retirement.

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    he’s got a lot of love from a lot of peeps here & I don’t understand why

  48. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    I’m with Joeman – just trade Hughes + Joba + Gardner and I’m happy. I’ll let others decide who we get back or try to defend trading away those guys.

  49. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    MG-

    The Yankees are loaded with current parent club position players that have no trade value in securing a young major league ready or near ready bat.

  50. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 am
    I’m with Joeman – just trade Hughes + Joba + Gardner and I’m happy. I’ll let others decide who we get back or try to defend trading away those guys.
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    it looks like we have a lot in common on the state of the NYY …

  51. jmills June 2nd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Have a great day Yankee fans. May you kiss the glove that Gehrig put on, over and over :) The left front brake of the ’91 Prelude is sticking, but at least the sunroof isn’t leaking since the vaseline rimmed it.

  52. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:50 am

    and Gardner has 9 SB in 55 games whats up with that…..on pace for 27

  53. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Joeman,

    Hughes and Joba have half year left with the franchise. Gardner has 1 year and a half. Collectively they make a good package for a pitching starved team with an OF upgrade to offer us. Individually they’re not worth enough for an upgrade. But since they are not part of the future I’d rather move them than trade Phelps, Nova or anyone else with a potential future like Adams or Romine even.

  54. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    joeman-

    Hughes is from the SD area, and I wonder if either the Padres or Dodgers, would have any interest in acquiring him before the trading deadline.

  55. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Thunderstorms in the area tonight, on & off all night with some severe…just got the word from work

  56. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    jmills says:
    June 2, 2013 at 9:25 am
    blake, what kind of prospect are we conversing about?

    Id give you one good one at least

  57. MG June 2nd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    I don’t usually indulge in fantasy trades but let’s say the Padres think that with some extra pitching they have a chance in a weak NL West (they are 5 games out and 3 below .500).

    They need a starter and a closer, they also need a young outfielder because all of their major leaguers are older and retreads.

    They could probably use a catcher as well-a backup might do the trick.

    The Yankees would probably want Headley, he’s arbitration eligible next year and a free agent after that so is going to cost the Padres money.

    Headley wouldn’t be cheap, but Hughes and Chamberlain help them immediately, throw in Nova and either Gardner/Austin and a catcher (it would have to be either Murphy or Sanchez, unfortunately) and maybe there is a deal there.

  58. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    might be a long night at the ballpark in the Bronx

  59. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Id do Hughes, Nova, and Mason Williams for Bautista in a heartbeat

  60. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:52 am
    might be a long night at the ballpark in the Bronx
    ——————-
    because of the pending weather event

  61. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Teams in contention that need pitching: Brewers, Indians, Dodgers, Royals, Rockies, Giants.

  62. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 9:57 am

    KC could use Joba & since he’s from out that way ….maybe they could give the NYY something for him

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 2nd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Quick drive by in response to Chad’s lead in.

    My vote would be for sending Adams down. That’s a quick read on the options.

    My prediction for tonight is that unless laptops is able to pull off watering himself every inning – which with hot temps he probably will think he can pull off – the Yankee bats will come alive again and Hiroki will be his masterful self.

    Series – Yanks.

    Great day y’all.

    :)

  64. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 9:59 am

    I didn’t love the Youkilis signing, especially at $ 12 M, but he did have a .878 OPS versus LHP last year and they needed help in that area.

    I have no clue why they signed Ichiro for two years. I just keep hoping Seattle would like him back so he ends his career there.

    Ichiro and Hughes for Mike Morse might be good for both teams.

  65. DONNYBROOK June 2nd, 2013 at 9:59 am

    - SUNDAY MORNING, THE FUNNY PAPERS, AND THE YANKEES -

    (1) BEETLE BAILEY always cracks me up. If he wore pinstripes, the guy would be Cashman. Tries hard, but is inept.

    (2) I keep tellin’ you guys that Cashman cut a deal with Adams. Adams STAYS.

    (3) BRIGNAC and his D, (the capital is merited here), STAYS.

    (4) BOESCH hitting in Yankee Stadium makes opponents wet their Uni’s. Boesch STAYS

    (5) OVERBAY gets a “hearty handshake” and a Pink Slip simultaneously.

    (6) WELLS turning into a pumpkin before our very eyes. Right now, he’s a stick in the spokes. If Girardi is gonna play him, get him outta the heart of the order.

    (7) Stewart dehydrated? From what? Must be from chasing down balls to the backstop. The ball is consistently on the ground when this guy gets behind the plate. HORRIBLE

  66. Doreen June 2nd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Are the Dodgers in contention?

  67. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Id do Hughes, Nova, and Mason Williams for Bautista in a heartbeat
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    Blake-

    If you can get a team within the same division to trade with the Yankees, I want a younger bat——-Machado or Longoria! :)

    But if you did that deal for Bautista is this your Yankee rotation?

    Kuroda
    Sabathia
    Pettitte
    Phelps
    Nuno
    Warren or Wang when one of the above gets injured?

    Suddenly the starting pitching is thin, unless Pineda returns 100% healthy and with a 3rd pitch.

  68. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I would be curious to know if the Brewers would listen on CF Carlos Gomez who is putting together a monster year to build upon his breakout year last year. He is only 27 and locked up for 3 more years at reasonable money.

    We have Gardner, Heathcott/Mason Williams + Joba + Hughes + Betances + Warren + Nuno + Phelps + Nova + Jose Ramirez… lots of pitching to choose from.

  69. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Donnybrook —–

    Easy on the ALL CAPS dude

    They should just DL Hafner who’s obviously hurting. Buys ‘em more time

    Wells should get more days off and get back to going the other way which was a key to his early success.

  70. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    The Dodgers[23-31] are 7.5 games out. Arizona[31-24]

  71. ltl June 2nd, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Hughes to the Giants might go–they might believe they could work some Righetti (sp?) magic. What would the Yankees get back?

  72. G. Love June 2nd, 2013 at 10:10 am

    If I were the Yankees, I’d stuff Hughes back in the pen and kill his free agent prospects. Sure, he’d still get a contract from another team. But he wouldn’t get Edwin Jackson money if the Yankees stuffed him in the pen for the remainder of the year.

    Girardi actually saying Hughes has to do better means the “coaches son” ride he’s gotten here is coming to an end.

    I’d rather see Nuno and Phelps at 4&5.

    It was a miserable night at the stadium last night and I knew better knowing Young Master Lose was on the mound.

    Not to worry though, his next 2 starts will be good and everyone will be crowing about him again and then in a big game he’ll have us out of it by the 4th inning.

    Same as it ever was.

    As for the roster crunch, if sending down Adams keeps him under the Yankees control so they can promote him again, it’s the move to make.

    The minute you waive Overbay, Tex will hold a presser announcing his wrist is only 60% but he’s battling but doesn’t expect to put up anything close to his expected numbers and we’ll all just have to learn to live with that.

    On the plus side, I feel like Ichiro is about to get hot. The bullpen is really fantastic too. And Kuroda is nails and is on the hill for us tonight. We should take this series. Hope Girardi benches Tex for Overbay tonight since RHP with breaking pitches own Marky T.

  73. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    No, I don’t see any reason on earth the Brewers would want to move Gomez…. the only remote possibility might be an offer to eat that Kyle Lohse contract.

    That would be a bad move, because Lohse would be a disaster in NYS with his HR rate.

    With three OF tied up long term maybe there’s a deal that could be made with the LA Dodgers for Yasiel Puig?

  74. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 10:15 am

    in on the white horses..the stiff & Tex 2/14….hope Tex doesn’t think it’s April

  75. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Braves looking for RPing

  76. MTU June 2nd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Bring up Mustelier.

    He fills 2 slots.

    He can play 3B and Corner OF.

    That let’s you send Adams down and even Boesch if you need to.

    See. That was easy.

    ;)

  77. Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    How about Gardner + Joba for Jordan Shafer?

  78. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    I fear we far overvalue our players and prospects.

    What the heck ever happened with the Cuban SS? Too young to not count on the international signing limit?

  79. Brian June 2nd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Chad wrote…

    “Youkilis can play third base every day…”

    More accurately, he can be CALLED the everyday third baseman, but really he didn’t even get out of April w/o an injury while plating third most of the time.

    He doesn’t have the range at third anymore.

    He doesn’t have the body to be able to throw himself around out there w/o getting injured.

    And it’s not as though this was a one time thing with him. Past few years he’s had the same issue.

    Why think it’s going to change for the better with even more playing time at third?

  80. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    86w183-

    Wells still seems to be mainly a pull hitter, who has been flailing at the outside pitches.

    When looking at his hit/spray chart using some AL East opponents in their ballarks, most of his hits are to left center and left. For some reason I can’t view his hit chart at YS.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/p.....rnon-wells

  81. MTU June 2nd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    The Yankees aren’t going to do anything until the TD.

    If then.

  82. MTU June 2nd, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Time to go hiking.

    It will get last night’s bad taste out of my mouth.

    ;)

  83. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Trader,

    He’s something like that…..I think the improvement in the offense would out weigh whatever was lost in the rotation.

    It’ll never happen of course but…..

    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Bautista RF
    Tex 1B
    Granderson LF
    Adams/Youk 3B
    Youk/Hafner DH
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF

    Is a lineup I could get down with

  84. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    YT —-

    I know he’s a “pull-first” guy, but like most hitters, he does better than he goes opposite field on pitches on the outside. ‘d also like to see him sit at least 2X a week.

    Brian —

    I agree. Youkilis is at most a half time 3B.

  85. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Jesus Bustero June 2nd, 2013 at 10:17 am
    How about Gardner + Joba for Jordan Shafer?
    —————————
    you think they would give up that catcher

  86. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    The Yankees will not be buyers at the TD. They haven’t been for years. Sellers is a possibility. I would move Granderson and Hughes if they would return a couple young upside players. I doubt they would.

  87. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    By David O’Brien

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    The Braves continued to talk to at least five teams that have expressed some interest in trading for third baseman Juan Francisco, who was designated for assignment on Thursday.

    If the Braves don’t trade him in seven or eight days, they’ll put him through waivers and could either release him or send him to Triple-A.
    —————————–
    Likely if they are able to deal him, they’ll get a RP in return.

  88. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Remember when Wells was considered to be washed up and have a terrible contract? He is looking just like that guy again. He has to quit swinging at pitches a foot outside. I would never throw him a fastball over the plate.

    By the way, Martin is looking a bit better than our catching corp.

  89. comnsnse June 2nd, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Warren makes the most sense. He will not improve either as a starter which is his primary value or as trade material by getting an inconsistent amount of work out of the pen.

    This roster needs production from the offense without which a fragile pitching staff will not win many games in any case. Better to enhance the value of Nova, Nuno and Warren and possibly Phelps either to replace aging vets next year or as trade bait.

    The other obvious consideration is who knows whether or not Jeter will be back this or next year, will Arod, Tex and Granderson actually contribute enough this year to be a playoff team?

    If the answer is unclear which looks to be the case, now is the time to plan for life without these aging and oft injured vets and bite the bullet for a year or two while hoping some of our vaunted prospects become ML players.

  90. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 10:30 am

    blake June 2nd, 2013 at 9:13 am
    As I said yesterday Id DFA brignac and try to slip him through waivers and assign him to AAA…..if Mixmwent down then either Adams or Cano could man SS for the rest of the game until a roster move could be made.

    It’s not ideal but with the Yanks offense they can’t take one of their better bats vs LHP out of the lineup to worry about a back up SS IMO.

    Nothing about this roster is ideal anyway so I think the main focus needs to be on making sure you can put the best lineup possible on the field…..and worry about more injuries if they happen

    Yes, this what I’ve been saying.

  91. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I like Phil a lot and really want him to succeed….but just the way he pitches he probably is better suited to a different division and ballpark if he’s never going to be able to change.
    ===========================
    Blake-Everything you say points to the fact that Hughes is not a Pitcher, he is a thrower.
    Being in a rotation with Pitchers like CC, Kuroda , Andy and Phelps makes it all the more evident what this guy is Not.

  92. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 10:33 am

    austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 10:26 am
    Remember when Wells was considered to be washed up and have a terrible contract? He is looking just like that guy again. He has to quit swinging at pitches a foot outside. I would never throw him a fastball over the plate.

    By the way, Martin is looking a bit better than our catching corp.

    ———————————
    never wanted Martin to leave

  93. Ys Guy June 2nd, 2013 at 10:35 am

    i’m officially ‘over’ phil hughes. he is mediocre. thats it, just a mediocre starting pitcher who is poorly suited for yankee stadium.

    trade him at the deadline. sign a less mediocre pitcher to replace him next season.

    let the met’s give him a pile of money.

  94. yankee21 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    The solution to this question is one of two choices IMO:

    1. DL Hafner if he is not at least 90% (buys the team time to evaluate TEX and/or look at trade suitors for Overbay).

    2. Go with an 11 man pitching staff. One of those 6 relievers needs to be a long man, the other five are Mo, Robertson, Joba, Kelly and Logan.

    Until Joba gets moved, or until another RP goes down with an injury, I’d stash Claiborne in AAA to close games.

    As bad as Brignac has been, IMO I try to hold onto him at the big-league level and have Long work with him to shorten his swing.

  95. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I have some of the same concerns as Sense. Given the injuries, the type of injuries, the aging offense, the uncertainty that Jeter will have the range to play SS, and any other concerns that you might have, do you feel fairly confident that the Yankees could advance to the WS if they make the playoffs?

  96. yankee21 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    By the way, it may be controversial but I try to move Hafner before I move Overbay.

    At least Overbay has a position and in a limited sense does offer a threat to TEX as an option for Joe G if TEX continues his downward decline.

    I understand Hafner is a better hitter than O-Bay and I also understand there is limited trade partners looking for an injury prone DH but nonetheless, I hold onto Overbay over Pronk.

  97. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Can’t believe the Gypsy is 65.

  98. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    this team has so many decisions to make it’s making me dizzy

  99. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    YT,

    I will be very surprised if the Yankees make the playoffs. The “vaunted” prospects are quite overhyped. They may have one minor leaguer in the top 50 at this point.

    I think they need to look to the future. Please no more released players whom we expect to miraculously rebound.

  100. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    never really saw Sidney Crosby play much but after seeing him in action last he’s to good of a player to act the way he does…

  101. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 10:48 am

    MTU June 2nd, 2013 at 10:17 am
    Bring up Mustelier.

    He fills 2 slots.

    He can play 3B and Corner OF.

    That let’s you send Adams down and even Boesch if you need to.

    See. That was easy.

    Musty up to .292 after a slow start, which is (as I’ve been saying) not surprising since he has hit .300+ at every level he has played. You can’t keep them man down!

  102. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 10:48 am

    austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 10:44 am
    YT,

    I will be very surprised if the Yankees make the playoffs. The “vaunted” prospects are quite overhyped. They may have one minor leaguer in the top 50 at this point.

    I think they need to look to the future. Please no more released players whom we expect to miraculously rebound.

    ——————————————
    it’s called throwing crap against the wall and hoping something will stick

  103. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    blake June 2nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Trader,

    He’s something like that…..I think the improvement in the offense would out weigh whatever was lost in the rotation.

    It’ll never happen of course but…..

    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Bautista RF
    Tex 1B
    Granderson LF
    Adams/Youk 3B
    Youk/Hafner DH
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF

    Is a lineup I could get down with
    =====

    I like the look of that lineup… this year. However, Bautista is already in decline, and I suspect that decline will accelerate in the next couple years. I don’t see giving away all of that young pitching for a guy whose best days as a player are likely behind him. It’s just not worth it.

  104. yankee21 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:51 am

    By the way were there any excuses from Joe G or Cashman or from TEX himself about TEX 3 K performance?

    TEX nor Cash gets zero slack as they both said TEX was ready after just two days of re-habbing in miL games.

  105. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:51 am

    For much of the last few years I argued Hughes had a higher ceiling as a reliever than a starter because of the absence of a third pitch. I’ve since dropped the argument, but it’s still how I feel.

    austinmac —- actually Cervelli + Stewart is almost exactly the same as Martin this season.

    Martin ——– 168 Plate Appearances — 6 HR, 14 RBI…. .262 / .345 / .450

    Stewie/Cervi — 157 Plate Appearances — 6 HR, 16 RBI…. .267 / .336 / .421

    I’m not counting Romine because I’m not counting Martin’s backup either.

  106. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    yankee21 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:51 am
    By the way were there any excuses from Joe G or Cashman or from TEX himself about TEX 3 K performance?

    TEX nor Cash gets zero slack as they both said TEX was ready after just two days of re-habbing in miL games.
    —————————–
    Tex might think it’s April

  107. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    MTU June 2nd, 2013 at 10:17 am
    Bring up Mustelier.

    He fills 2 slots.

    He can play 3B and Corner OF.

    That let’s you send Adams down and even Boesch if you need to.

    See. That was easy.

    ==

    I like that plan alot. But it’s never going to happen. Besides I would like to give Adams a shot. I still think that the short-term move is to DL Hafner, and kick the can down the road for a couple weeks.

  108. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I mentioned that Mustelier has resumed hitting. Went 3 for 5 yesterday with no strikeouts, and has been playing 3rd and RF.

    Go with 11 pitchers. Send Warren down for Pettitte.
    Get Mustelier and his bat up for either Boesch or Brignac, unless Pronk is still not 100%

    Now is the problem solved? :)

  109. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    yankee21 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:51 am

    By the way were there any excuses from Joe G or Cashman or from TEX himself about TEX 3 K performance?

    TEX nor Cash gets zero slack as they both said TEX was ready after just two days of re-habbing in miL games.
    =====

    Why does Tex need an excuse?

  110. yankee21 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Maybe because TEX always has an excuse?

  111. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I would be happy to see them DL Hafner and activate Pettitte, send down Warren and call up Mustelier.

    That would be a better and more versatile 25-man roster.

  112. joeman June 2nd, 2013 at 10:57 am

    The stage is set for violent thunderstorms to erupt in and around the Northeast this afternoon and evening.

    Places from Quebec City and Montreal, Canada, to New York City and Washington, D.C., lie in the threat zone.

    This area also encompasses Albany and Binghamton, N.Y., Burlington, Vt., Lebanon, N.H., Hartford, Conn., Harrisburg and Philadelphia, Pa., Trenton, N.J., and Hagerstown and Baltimore, Md.

  113. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 10:59 am

    86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I would be happy to see them DL Hafner and activate Pettitte, send down Warren and call up Mustelier.

    That would be a better and more versatile 25-man roster.

    They aren’t going with a 6-man bullpen to carry a fifth outfielder.

  114. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Today should have been a day game anyway. Two night games on Sat/Sun sucks.

  115. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Could you see this line-up, using healthy players vs a lefty?

    Gardner CF-or Ichiro dedending on who is hot
    Mustelier DH
    Youkilis 1B
    Cano 2B
    Adams 3B
    Wells LF
    Nix SS
    Ichiro RF
    Stewart C

  116. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    They maybe need to switch Warren out with someone, they have no long man.

  117. Yankee Trader June 2nd, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Have to go.

    Have a great day everyone.

    Until later.

  118. Captain Clutch June 2nd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    This pretty much sums it up…no out pitch.
    ————

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand

    Hughes has allowed 11 HRs after 0-2 counts since start of ’12… 4 more than any starter

  119. DONNYBROOK June 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Right now, there is little difference between the SP pitching performances of Hughes and Nova. That should tell you something.

  120. groundhoggator June 2nd, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Overbay will come down with back spasms in the next 24 hrs – 15 day DL – problem solved

  121. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:16 am

    I have a bad feeling it will be Overbay, and I think that’s the worst choice of all their options.

  122. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Someone will hurt themselves sneezing?

  123. DONNYBROOK June 2nd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Enjoyed that 15 inning Girls College Championship Softball game last night. They play with enthusiasm, have smiles on their faces, and treat their fans to a Show from start to finish. Watching this current Yankee team go 9 innings is the equivalent of The Chinese Water Torture.

  124. Ys Guy June 2nd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    dont get too crazy over overbay. he will soon turn back into the guy who was released twice and non tendered once in the past year. i’d like to keep him, but only until i feel that tex is really healthy. beyond that he has little value to this team.

    thanks lyle!

  125. Captain Clutch June 2nd, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Overbay is nice insurance to have but you can’t keep him on the roster all season. It’s going to be a hard decision on when to decide that Tex is ok. I would send Adams down to AAA for 2-3 weeks and when they think Tex is good get rid of Overbay and bring back Adams. Adams makes the team better right now but they need 1st base protection.

  126. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:16 am

    I have a bad feeling it will be Overbay, and I think that’s the worst choice of all their options.
    ===

    I n one sense that’s the logical choice. However, releasing Brignac might make the most sense, because he isn’t likely to get claimed by anybody. If Cashman can sneak Brignac through waivers, then he could just reassign him to Triple A. I still say that putting Hafner on the DL is the way to go.

  127. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    If they send down Adams they have no real DH vs LHP (Youk or Adams, or Tex, or Cano with Adams at 2B). Plus Cashman and Girardi have been talking like he is staying.

  128. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Hafner to the DL might not be bad, but if he’s not really hurt he may have a problem with it.

  129. cs in la June 2nd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    G. Love you continue to be the voice of reason here. Sending Hughes to the pen is the best move. Lets ride with Nuno, Phelps and Pineda. Adams to AAA temporarily.

  130. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Enjoyed that 15 inning Girls College Championship Softball game last night. They play with enthusiasm, have smiles on their faces, and treat their fans to a Show from start to finish.

    ***********************************************************************

    amen! And Go Gators!

  131. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 11:29 am

    I’m assuming that his back may be barking a bit, which may or may not be correct.

  132. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 11:30 am

    They aren’t going with a 6-man bullpen to carry a fifth outfielder.

    *****************************************************

    Maybe not but they should. A 5th OF is a helluvalot more likely to help you win a game than your 12th pitcher. That’s generally a mop up role and often unneeded for two, three weeks as a time.

  133. Captain Clutch June 2nd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I hope it’s not Adams but it could be the move that they have to make right now. I think Reid stays until Nunez comes back I can’t see them playing without a backup SS. Adams has been taking ground balls at 1st base so if Tex needs a day off in a pinch Adams can play 1st base. Overbay is never going to play he is just taking up a roster spot if Tex is healthy.

  134. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Tonight’s lineup?

    Gardner
    Cano
    Youk
    Tex
    Hafner
    Wells
    Boesch
    Brignac
    Stewart

  135. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Overbay has been every bit as good as Hafner against RHP. If Hafner doesn’t go on the DL and one of them has to go Overbay should stay. He can play 1B and has a better track record as far as his health is concerned.

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 2nd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Here are a few thoughts:

    1. Nobody knows who will turn into a pumpkin, revert to whatever, etc. etc. unless and until it happens. If it should happen, the Yankees can take action then. No reason to act prematurely.

    2. In an ideal world, Hughes would immediately be relegated to the pen and the rotation would look like this: (not in any particular order) – CC, Hiroki, Andy, Phelps, Muno/Nova. (Until Nova shows that he can get himself together, he needs to be at AAA. If he gets it back together, he could come up as long-man, sport starter. Hughes could be middle relief, extra hands in the pen.)

    However, we are not in an ideal world. Lots of things go into the decision-making process of a team like the Yankees. Salary considerations, “fairness” to players who have some kind of longevity, etc. etc. Therefore I expect to see Hughes continue to be trotted out there until it is beyond painfully evident that someone with a (current) 2-4 record and his proclivity for giving up the home run is totally screwing with the Yankees’ chances of getting where they need to get.

    3. I am convinced the Yankees will make the playoffs. Though I said I don’t bet on the Yankees – meaning I don’t ever making paying bets when it’s the Yankees vs. a specific team – I am more than willing to make paying bets with anyone on lohud who feels equally convinced that the Yankees will NOT make the playoffs. Just let me know.

    :)

  137. G. Love June 2nd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    My Hughes to the pen idea is simply this – Let’s develop the guys who WILL be here next year.

    Would you honestly start Hughes in a playoff series at this point? I wouldn’t. He’s roster chum as far as I’m concerned.

    Yes, he can throw a magical game and all the “young master” nonsense starts all over again.

    But he’s not to be counted on. Trade him for anything or put him in the pen and let him go find a his free agent Valhalla coming off a 1/2 season where the Yankees decided they couldn’t anymore.

    I love Nuno. I also love Phelps. I believe Nova can still come back and be good and Pineda is going to get his shot here.

    There’s also a guy named Wang at AAA who is pitching his heart out to get back up here.

    Give me the guy pitching his heart out over the guy who can’t be trusted to keep his team in the game.

    He’s a fly ball pitcher. We get it. The only place safe for him to pitch is the Grand Canyon.

    Developing Hughes and helping him leave here with a nice free agent contract is folly.

    We have other options.

    Move on.

  138. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 11:46 am

    86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 11:30 am

    They aren’t going with a 6-man bullpen to carry a fifth outfielder.

    *****************************************************

    Maybe not but they should. A 5th OF is a helluvalot more likely to help you win a game than your 12th pitcher. That’s generally a mop up role and often unneeded for two, three weeks as a time.

    If they go with a 6-man bullpen, it will be to keep Overbay a while longer. I seriously doubt that they would do that to promote Musty. I’m not even sure that it’s a good idea if they wouldn’t be playing him.

  139. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I have a feeling the Yankees aren’t thinking much of Nuno because he doesn’t throw 92-93+. They did the same thing with Phelps, not much respect until he started throwing harder, no matter what the results are.

  140. G. Love June 2nd, 2013 at 11:50 am

    jacksqaut,

    I think you and I know Nuno is a pitcher. He doesn’t need to throw hard to win in this league. He’s more of a pitcher than Hughes is at this point to me.

    And I love how the media are focusing on the struggles of Wells, Nix, Adams, etc. now that Tex and Youk are back.

    Watch that narrative get legs how the cast surround Tex, Youk and Cano aren’t good enough yet that was the cast that put us in 1st place.

  141. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Same might go for Wang also since I’ve heard he is not even touching 90.

  142. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 am

    However, we are not in an ideal world. Lots of things go into the decision-making process of a team like the Yankees. Salary considerations, “fairness” to players who have some kind of longevity, etc. etc. Therefore I expect to see Hughes continue to be trotted out there until it is beyond painfully evident that someone with a (current) 2-4 record and his proclivity for giving up the home run is totally screwing with the Yankees’ chances of getting where they need to get.

    I’m not so sure about that. I suspect that Joe’s remark on the need for Hughes to be more consistent could signal a changing tone. I have to think that they must like the idea of slotting Nuno as the number-5 guy when Andy returns. I think they are running out of patience with Hughes.

  143. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:54 am

    I don’t need velocity if the results are there, but it seems the Yankees really prefer a pitcher who throws at least 92-93. CC got a pass because he’s CC (and Andy because he’s Andy) and they are counting on his velocity to improve with warmer weather. Notice how after CC’s last good start, when Girardi was asked why he thought CC was more effective he said “because he threw harder”. At this point I would also prefer to watch Nuno over Hughes.

  144. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 11:56 am

    jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I have a feeling the Yankees aren’t thinking much of Nuno because he doesn’t throw 92-93+. They did the same thing with Phelps, not much respect until he started throwing harder, no matter what the results are.

    It’s hard not to like the results that Nuno is getting. He is making it easier for the Yanks to make a move on Hughes.

  145. G. Love June 2nd, 2013 at 11:56 am

    I think with the way guys are striking out and not hitting for average in the league right now, having control pitchers with breaking stuff over power pitchers with straight stuff is a better option.

    Guys like Rick Reed and Paul Byrd would be carving this league up right now.

  146. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 11:58 am

    The question with Nuno is whether he’ll be able to remain effective once the league seen more of him. And it’s way too soon to tell.

  147. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    All else equal, it’s always better to have a guy that throws harder. However, control is extremely important.

  148. G. Love June 2nd, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Ghost,

    It’d be worth finding out re: Nuno since he’ll definitely be here next year under team control.

    Wasting starts so Hughes can build up free agent value makes no sense to me. He’s not a top rotation starter that we need to get us to the post season. He’s back end. He’s Edwin Jackson.

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 2nd, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    “I’m not so sure about that. I suspect that Joe’s remark on the need for Hughes to be more consistent could signal a changing tone. I have to think that they must like the idea of slotting Nuno as the number-5 guy when Andy returns. I think they are running out of patience with Hughes”

    Ghost, I pray to God you’re right. I always fear remarks like that are benign chatter for lack of something better to say. They should be running out of patience with Hughes if they’re not.

    Sometimes fans say that in games like last night it wouldn’t have made a difference anyway because the Yankees only scored one run. Well hell, a pitcher pitching with a 5-run lead sure has a lot more latitude to pitch his game than does a pitcher with a 1-run lead! Maybe if Hughes hadn’t coughed up 5 early runs Dubrount would have been forced to pitch a different game and the Yankees would have put up a lot more than one run! Don’t dump on the offense for not being able to shovel out of a canyon.

  150. Ys Guy June 2nd, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    the situation isnt just ‘who will turn into a pumpkin.’ its, when will the pumpkin turn back into a pumpkin.’

    the 36 y/o lyle overbay that has played 13 major league seasons has only hit 90+ rbis (his current pace) once in his entire career. his current HR pace is also higher than any season in his entire career.

    im not against overbay, but if you’re going to make a roster decision on him based on the assumption that he’s gonna keep hitting at this pace, then you are making a big mistake.

    when you consider what lyle overbay actually is, based on his lengthy record, he is not a good fit for this team other than insurance for tex not being healthy.

  151. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    The thing about Hughes is that it would take balls to trade him.
    You get less for him if you deal him after a start like yesterday.
    If you wait for his next good one, which could come his next start, that’s where the balls come in.
    I’m sure there are teams that would love to have him and take the chance he resigns with them.

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 2nd, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Ghost, at least we know with Nuno that he is winning, plus he doesn’t appear to fold under pressure. Those are two great things.

    I’d rather take my chances with him in the rotation, even if it ends up being for a short while. In the meantime Nova can be working out his problems, and Pineda can be working on getting himself ready to return. It may be that Nuno would lose his place in the rotation at some point in the near future just because of returning pitchers. But at least we could conceivably count on Ws when he goes out there!

  153. 86w183 June 2nd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    time to be productive! Have a day all

  154. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    The question with Nuno is whether he’ll be able to remain effective once the league seen more of him. And it’s way too soon to tell.
    =========================
    Not getting this. If not Nuno, then Nova or Wang.
    Pineda is guaranteed a shot.
    Hughes has become superfluous.
    He’s a #4-5 starter here.
    Someone is going to be moved for Pineda, it’s just a matter of time.

  155. G. Love June 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    mick,

    If the Yankees are serious about fielding a team within a budget, dealing rental players heading into free agency is where you start the process. Hughes, Joba, Youkilis, Granderson should all be dealt by the trade deadline for whatever you can net for them.

    Cano should also be dealt if the team decides not to resign him. Cano is the only one I would not deal because we need him here long term with Arod and Tex bogging down our payroll with lackluster results. Hopefully, by the time Cano declines their contracts will be over or bought out.

  156. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    G. Love June 2nd, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Ghost,

    It’d be worth finding out re: Nuno since he’ll definitely be here next year under team control.

    Wasting starts so Hughes can build up free agent value makes no sense to me. He’s not a top rotation starter that we need to get us to the post season. He’s back end. He’s Edwin Jackson.
    ===

    Personally, I’m not ready to give up on Hughes. Yes, his inconsistency is immensely frustrating, but I do think that he helps the club. I’m willing to trade 3 good starts for one clunker. The potential outcome of Hughes’ free agency doesn’t enter into the calculus for me. As far as I’m concerned, I would love to see him have a terrific year and cash in on it, even if it meant losing him next year. Nevertheless, if a good opportunity to move Hughes came along, then I think that the Yanks should seriously consider it.

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 2nd, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Ys Guy – nobody can say what combination of elements causes a player to resurrect his talents. Don’t ever discount the Pinstripe Syndrome. It’s not like Overbey has never had productive years! Cashman also mentioned that he might try him in the OF. Now even if that never happens, it doesn’t sound like the Yankees are ready to part company with him!

    But anyway, gotta race. Hopefully we get tonight’s game in.

    :)

  158. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    With this 40 man situation they will have to make some trades.
    Why DFA guys who have some value? That’s why they are on the 40 man, they have value.
    So deal them, even if just for prospects. That would be consistent with the upcoming philosophy, right?
    Sometimes I wonder if there is a conspiracy against the Yanks by other teams as far as making trades with them. That could be a problem…

  159. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    G. Love June 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    mick,

    If the Yankees are serious about fielding a team within a budget, dealing rental players heading into free agency is where you start the process. Hughes, Joba, Youkilis, Granderson should all be dealt by the trade deadline for whatever you can net for them.

    Cano should also be dealt if the team decides not to resign him. Cano is the only one I would not deal because we need him here long term with Arod and Tex bogging down our payroll with lackluster results. Hopefully, by the time Cano declines their contracts will be over or bought out.
    ==

    Youk and Cano aren’t going anywhere. I think Granderson stays because he’s hurt. Hughes and Chamberlain could go in trade, but only if they bring back value. Particularly with Hughes, expect Cashman to get something exceeding the value of the draft pick that he stands to pick up from Hughes signing elsewhere as a free agent.

  160. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Todays lineup should be:

    Gardner
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Hafner
    Tex
    Youk
    Boesch
    Brignac
    Romine

  161. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    With this 40 man situation they will have to make some trades.
    Why DFA guys who have some value?

    ===
    Why trade for a guy from a team in a roster crunch, when you can pick up the player later without giving up anything in return? There are obvious answers to that question, but the fact remains that it has to be worth the other team’s while to make the deal, potentially helping a rival.

  162. pkyankfan69 June 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Ichiro and his sub .300 OBP in the 2 spot?

  163. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    I have already dropped Tex in the order.
    No way he should be hitting cleanup during ST.

  164. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Ichiro will hit near 300 by seasons end.

  165. tomingeorgia June 2nd, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    With the Qualifying Offer somewhere in the neighborhood of $14 million, do you really make that offer to Hughes? I don’t think so, because he might well accept it, and you’re right where you are now. Trade him for something.

  166. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    when you can pick up the player later without giving up anything in return?
    ====================
    if youre talking about waiting for FA, then you might be talking about hughes or joba or grandy.
    it could give that team an advantage when it comes to resigning them.
    but there aare other guys who have value that might have to be dfa’s, guys w/out options.

  167. Ys Guy June 2nd, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    pkyankfan69 June 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Ichiro and his sub .300 OBP in the 2 spot?
    —————————————————–
    ichiro’s obp vs. LH is .377 this year.

  168. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Ichiro hasn’t hit .300 since 2010.

  169. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    as is customary with yankee teams, 1/2 of these guys won’t be here by seasons end.
    might as well get something is right, mr Tom.

  170. pkyankfan69 June 2nd, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Is Bucholz pitching lefty tonight?

  171. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    youk isn’t a #2 hitter.
    he doesn’t want to bat 2nd.
    he’s a middle of the order guy who drives in runs.

  172. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    tomingeorgia June 2nd, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    With the Qualifying Offer somewhere in the neighborhood of $14 million, do you really make that offer to Hughes? I don’t think so, because he might well accept it, and you’re right where you are now. Trade him for something.
    ===

    I would make the QO to Hughes, because I don’t think that he would take it. My point simply is that Cashman shouldn’t give Hughes away without getting something of real value in return. At a minimum, the return has to be at least as good as the draft pick that he would expect from making the QO. Time is on Cashman’s side with Hughes, so he doesn’t have to do anything precipitous.

  173. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    In fact, Hughes is the least of our problems.
    What do you think they are going to do with Pineda, Nova, Nuno and Wang, in that order?
    Someone is going to moved out of the rotation and maybe not by an injury.

  174. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    when you can pick up the player later without giving up anything in return?
    ====================
    if youre talking about waiting for FA, then you might be talking about hughes or joba or grandy.
    it could give that team an advantage when it comes to resigning them.
    but there aare other guys who have value that might have to be dfa’s, guys w/out options.
    ====

    I’m talking about waiting for the player to get DFA-ed. For example, if I’m the Orioles, and I want Overbay, I wouldn’t come running over to offer minor league prospects or anything of any value for him, because I know that the Yanks are in a roster crunch. The only reason to help the Yanks out of their roster crunch would be to ensure that I got the player (in this example, Overbay). This would mean that I had something that I was willing to give up, and that I wanted Overbay enough that I was not willing to take my chances with picking him up off waivers. This dynamic makes trading a guy that’s on the bubble problematic, even if he does have value.

  175. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I wouldn’t put Ichiro #2 vs a rhp.

  176. tomingeorgia June 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Ghostwriter,
    Seems to me that some player equivalent to a 31+ draft pick has to exist somewhere out there in an organization that could use Hughes, maybe a guy in high A or AA. I’d be OK with that for Hughes.

  177. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    In the case of Overbay it depends on how much the O’s want him.
    Yanks might want to keep him so waiting for a DFA would be fruitless.

  178. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Ichiro batting in some mopup role in the order prolly hurts his pride.
    I have seen flashes from him and still think he can hit.

  179. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    I have to believe Hughes could bring more value than a supplemental draft pick. They should certainly see.

  180. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Ichiro and his sub .300 OBP in the 2 spot?
    =====================
    is nix much better?

  181. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    I don’t want to help the O’s.

  182. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    no one wants to help us…hence trades are scarce.

  183. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Ichiro averaged 181 hits in 2011 and 2012.
    Would you take that?

  184. tomingeorgia June 2nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    I hate Sunday night games. Nice rainy afternoon here, I should be settling in for Yankees baseball about now.

  185. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    But, Ichiro doesn’t walk and doesn’t hit for any power. An OBP under .300 is not good under those circumstances. I admire Ichiro but everyone gets old. I think age has diminished his ability. 300 ABs for him would be fine. 600 would not.

  186. astrocityfan June 2nd, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Here is a suggestion for your consideration. Send Adams and Boesch down. Activate petitte for Adams and bring up Thomas oneal for Boesch. Oneal can play right and u platoon Ichiro and Wells. Oneal is hitting 350 and if he stops hitting you just send him down and call up the next guy. They need offense and while he won’t hit for much power, what team couldn’t use a guy hitting 350?

  187. astrocityfan June 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Sorry that’s Thomas Neal not oneal. My apologies to the Neal family. And he is currently hitting 353 :)

  188. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    The problem with platooning Ichiro is he has a severe reverse split.

    vs rhp: .191/.250/.287

    vs lhp: .383/.377/.450

    I don’t know if it will continue, but it has been 2 months now, I wouldn’t count on him vs rhp until those numbers start to improve.

  189. Ys Guy June 2nd, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    sorry in my brain i had dubront pitching today not laptops.

    in any case im pretty sure nobody’s pitching against anybody in NYS tonight.

    and no way you can bat ichiro 2nd vs. a RHP.

  190. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    The problem with platooning Ichiro is he has a severe reverse split.

    vs rhp: .191/.250/.287

    vs lhp: .383/.377/.450

    I don’t know if it will continue, but it has been 2 months now, I wouldn’t count on him vs rhp until those numbers start to improve.

    Small sample. Over the long haul those numbers likely will tend to equalize (BA against righties will rise and BA against lefties will fall), slightly favoring his production against lefties.

  191. 4 NYY June 2nd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    DFA Brignac, ( good glove, no bat ) send Warren down.

    Our offense is bad.

    Bring up Musty, now.

    Like Nuno as a SP. Give him a real chance and see what happens.

    Hughes NEEDS a change of scenery. He just can’t do it here for us.

  192. tucker June 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Dominic Brown just hit his 16th HR of the season … Must be nice.

  193. 4 NYY June 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Put Highes in pen for now.

  194. I Am Winning June 2nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    In regards to Phil Hughes it doesn’t matter how great or terrible a lineup is. If he is right, he will dominate any great lineup in baseball. If he isn’t right, he will give up multiple bombs to guys with 10 career homeruns.

    It’s going to come down to September. If he has a 2.0 ERA and 4 wins the Yankees will bring him back. If he has a 5.0 ERA in September and 1 win, he won’t be back.

  195. RhapsodyInBlue June 2nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    I agree put Phil in the pen where he’ll be on a leash where the damage can be controlled.

    Send down Warren bring up Nuno for the rotation. Let’s see what we have with this kid, we know what Phil has.

  196. bruceb June 2nd, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    I hate Sunday night games. Nice rainy afternoon here, I should be settling in for Yankees baseball about now.

    Especially as it’s supposed to rain here tonight with heavy thunderstorms. The irony is it’s beautiful now.

  197. RhapsodyInBlue June 2nd, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    It will be hot and sweaty that grease bag laptop will have his long dirty hair all lubricated up for the occasion.

  198. jacksquat June 2nd, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    2 months isn’t that small a sample.

    At this point I start doubting that it’s all luck. He may have a higher babip vs lhp but that could mean that he’s hitting more line drives and/or fly balls.

  199. Duh Innings II June 2nd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    I say DFA Brignac. If Nix gets hurt, Adams can play SS, Youkilis 3B. Nix is already a weak link at SS offensively, they don’t need another one in Brignac.

  200. theREALkevin June 2nd, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    “June 2, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    Ichiro will hit near 300 by seasons end.”

    What does near .300 mean exactly? .280? .290?

    Ichiro is what he is at this point. Older, hand eye coordination has decreased, very low obp, lost a bunch of speed. The 2 yr deal looks really bad and at this point they shouldn’t think twice about benching him frequently. He just doesn’t bring much to the table anymore.

  201. theREALkevin June 2nd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Get rid of overbay, he’s useless now

  202. tucker June 2nd, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    I was an advocate of trading Hughes this offseason because of his inconsistency and mostly because of 189. He certainly would have returned more in the offseason. He probably still has some trade value, but his value on the market is diminished now.

    It is the year of the pitcher and Hughes’ results are nothing special. There are literally dozens of pitchers bubbling up to MLB that can deliver results. Patrick Corbin of the D Backs is 8-0 with a sub-2 ERA. There are other young pitchers like Corbin.

    There is a glut of good pitching in this game, which diminishes value of non-elite hurlers. At this point, the Yanks best course of action may be to stick with Hughes to see if he gets his inconsistency straightened out. If he still can’t be consistent after a few starts, send him to the pen.

  203. Ys Guy June 2nd, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    imo ichiro isnt going to end up hitting above .275 this year.

    i was surprised when the yankees signed him for two years. i like him and i wanted him back, but i thought he was more ‘roster filler’ at this point than any kind of key guy. they signed him before christmas while i was expecting him to be the kind of guy you’d sign late january after most player movement has settled.

    i dont so much care about the money as he’s not making that much and can be a starting OF on a pretty regular basis at least for this year. it was the extra year and the timing that just didnt make sense to me.

    hopefully he turns it around but at his age, decline is far more expected than resurgence.

  204. igotid88 June 2nd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    I can’t predict the future like most of you can. But unless Hughes completely falls apart. He will pitch better the rest of the way with some bad starts in between. He was only hit hard twice yesterday and unfortunately one was a homerun. But he has pitched better at Yankee Stadium even with the homeruns. Last year to a 3.75 era in 16 starts.

  205. Ys Guy June 2nd, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    i can’t predict the future like most of you can. now im going to predict the future. with some certainty and specificity.

  206. berniebaseball June 2nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    The smartest move is the one MTU mentioned – send down Adams & Boesch and bring up Mustelier. One player replaces two. Musty can also DH against LHP. A smart GM would make that move. Musty is more useful than Adams or Boesch at this time, and I like Adams. Then reevaluate in a couple weeks after Tex gets some AB’s.

  207. Against All Odds June 2nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    But because of those bad starts bringing him back becomes less of a possibility.

  208. Ys Guy June 2nd, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    im done with hughes. he wont be worth near what he’s going to be paid next season. adios phil. trade him at the deadline if he brings anything back, imo.

    wow the mets REALLY suck!

  209. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Hughes had a pretty good season last year.. a lot of us felt if they couldn’t or wouldn’t resign him they should have moved him while his value was high. I do hope his numbers can even out before the trade deadline… that may have been what they were hoping for.

  210. Against All Odds June 2nd, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    wow the mets REALLY suck!

    ———————–

    All is right in the world :)

  211. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Losing Phil for just a draft pick (and that’s no guarantee either) would be kinda annoying.

  212. Ys Guy June 2nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    the only thing worse than being swept in a 3 game series by the marlins is being swept in a 4 game series by the mets, unfortunately…

  213. Against All Odds June 2nd, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm
    Losing Phil for just a draft pick (and that’s no guarantee either) would be kinda annoying.

    —————–

    Would they have the stones to trade him? I went through the thread and many ppl are ready to send him to the pen. They invested so much in him would they even attempt to do that.

  214. Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “Would they have the stones to trade him? ”

    He’s not going to be here next year. He doesn’t provide anything particularly unique, so why not find out about guys like Nuno or Nova who are likely to be here?

  215. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 2nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    I can predict the future and there’s no way the Yankees are going to start to bring up new guys to give them a tryout with so much in flux.

    In other words, Boesch isn’t going back down. So just get that idea out of your head!

    :mad:

  216. jackamir June 2nd, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Check out “El Nino”—Ramiro Pena, His stats are pretty Gaudy this year….

  217. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Sending him to the pen, IMO, doesn’t make any sense unless it’s the end of September and whoever is the #5 is performing much better overall. It’s more likely that Phelps and Hughes will be close in production by that point and they’ll stick with Hughes as their #4 in the playoffs since he’s battle tested.

    All that assumes they don’t trade him. I wondered out loud if the Yankees were taking a huge risk by waiting until the trade deadline to assess the team because some of the pieces they may have assumed they could move might not be performing to the best of their abilities. Right now it’s too early to say so about Hughes. (BTW, rushing him up made no sense for a number of reasons, but one was the impact it could have on his overall numbers in the first half.) I do think he’ll have a fair bit of value at the deadline if he’s around a 4-4.5 ERA, and that is still doable.

  218. Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Shame

    At this point, I don’t think it’s about Hughes anymore, it’s about what’s best for the team. I don’t see how keeping in the rotation helps the team unless they are doing it to trade him.

  219. igotid88 June 2nd, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Did Fox use YES view yesterday?

  220. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Shame

    At this point, I don’t think it’s about Hughes anymore, it’s about what’s best for the team. I don’t see how keeping in the rotation helps the team unless they are doing it to trade him.

    —————–

    As was said last night, Hughes still gives them a fair chance to win in around 75% of his starts. That helps the team. I mean, yes, Nuno has looked good. But I’m not sure I’m prepared to just pencil him in as the #5. Andy is no lock to stay healthy through the rest of the season. When he does come back, Hughes slides back the the #4 slot and I’ll take a a guy I know gives me a chance to win 75% of the time in that spot.

    Again… I was all about trying to trade Hughes in the off season, so my opinion doesn’t come from some sentimental attachment. If they never planned to retain him, it would have been the right move.

    I think instead they decided they needed to see another year of some of these guys…hoping some would raise their value. It was a risk. It’s not completely f**ked now though.. Hughes still has a fair amount of value it’s just less at a half a season than it would have been for a full season. They probably would have been better off moving him earlier, but they weren’t ready to take the risk. Shot themselves in the foot most likely.

  221. igotid88 June 2nd, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Shame

    At this point, I don’t think it’s about Hughes anymore, it’s about what’s best for the team. I don’t see how keeping in the rotation helps the team unless they are doing it to trade him.
    ——–

    He’s helped the team more times than not. While Nuno and Phelps have been decent. We can’t put them above a 16 and 18 game winner. Especially if you’re serious about what’s best for the team.

  222. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    All that being said, if by the middle of September Andy is dealing and Phelps has been more solid than Hughes, I’m totally fine with them moving forward with Phelps and putting Hughes in the pen. He needs to be outperformed to end up out there, though.

  223. Ghostwriter June 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    ” I wondered out loud if the Yankees were taking a huge risk by waiting until the trade deadline to assess the team because some of the pieces they may have assumed they could move might not be performing to the best of their abilities.”

    ——-

    Huhghes is what he is, and everybody in the league knows it. Barring injury, nothing that he does between now and the trade deadline–whether he pitches lights out or he continues to be erratic–will appreciably alter his value on the market.

  224. igotid88 June 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Matt Harvey had another bad game. Trade him while his value is still high.

  225. Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Shame

    Is that independent of run support?

    As mediocre as this offense is, I think it would be a mistake to make every decision about the team based on this year.

    Would Nuno or Nova be a downgrade over Hughes? I don’t know, but the benefits of finding out and the costs of not knowing should be deteminative.

    Unless the goal is to trade Hughes for offense.

    _

    igotid88

    Run support has a lot to do with wins. The guy’s career ERA+ is 96, and that is inflated by his stats as a reliever.

    As I said, what’s best for the team has to include what is best beyond this season, and Hughes is almost certainly not going to be part of that.

  226. Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    “Matt Harvey had another bad game. Trade him while his value is still high.”

    The only thing that Harvey has in common with Hughes at this point is the position they play.

  227. Against All Odds June 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    “Would they have the stones to trade him? ”

    He’s not going to be here next year. He doesn’t provide anything particularly unique, so why not find out about guys like Nuno or Nova who are likely to be here?

    ———————————-

    I wouldn’t mind them giving those guys a shot. I just can’t see them doing it at least not now. We all know Hughes will string 3-4 starts together and the heat will be off him.

  228. JT June 2nd, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Hughes will be back.

  229. Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    “I wouldn’t mind them giving those guys a shot. I just can’t see them doing it at least not now. We all know Hughes will string 3-4 starts together and the heat will be off him.”

    No, they almost always choose the path of least resistance.

    It’s not about heat, imo. It’s not about 3-4 starts.

    It’s about facing the reality of what he is given the park he pitches half his games in.

  230. austinmac June 2nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Austin and Sanchez have both missed at least the last two games. Has anyone heard anything?

    Williams is down to .230. Yikes.

  231. bruceb June 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Good win for the Fighting Showalters over the Tigers today…man that team can hit. McLouth, Machado, Markakis, Jones and Davis. That’s a tough front five to negotiate. My tip to win the AL East this year.

  232. Against All Odds June 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    “Matt Harvey had another bad game. Trade him while his value is still high.”

    The only thing that Harvey has in common with Hughes at this point is the position they play.

    ————–

    ouch lol

  233. blake June 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    I’m assuming just rest for Austin and Snachez…..heard nothing of Injurjes . Many scouting reports on Mason suggested he needs to be humbled…..seems like he is being

  234. Against All Odds June 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    ——————

    Are they ready to face that reality? I guess time will tell. I think they are really hoping Pineda can come through unscathed and put some pressure on guys not performing well.

  235. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Rich – I think regardless, Phelps has shown he’s a legitimate option for the rotation next season. So I think right now the discussion is Nova/Nuno (I suppose just Nuno, really) over Hughes. I’ve loved what I’ve seen from Nuno, but that’s just not the type of move the Yankees are going to make if they’re retaining Hughes for the remainder of the year. The whole point of them retaining him would mean, to me at least, that they think he gives them the better chance to win….so we’ll see what ends up happening. I’m still hoping for a trade.

    I just hope it doesn’t become something where they think they should move him but won’t because they don’t like the return or something. Pat M. has mentioned something about that with moving Joba.

  236. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    These are the moments when I really ruminate on how much power Cash has…

  237. igotid88 June 2nd, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    igotid88

    Run support has a lot to do with wins. The guy’s career ERA+ is 96, and that is inflated by his stats as a reliever.

    As I said, what’s best for the team has to include what is best beyond this season, and Hughes is almost certainly not going to be part of that.
    ——–

    Of course run support has a lot to do with wins. But 18 wins with a 4 or 2 era is still 18 wins. And some of his era+ is deflated by his injury riddled seasons.

    The only real problem with Hughes is the long ball. His Ks are good and should get better. He doesn’t walk many batters. And most of the hits he gives up are bloopers and seeing eye singles. Eventually those should even themselves out. And yes he sometimes gets a nice defensive play. But those are few and far between.

  238. Run it Out June 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Hughes would probably love to go to SF. 6th best offense in MLB, throwing to an all star catcher, Rags as pitching coach,fly ball pitchers park, and always committed to being a contender. What’s not to love about that if you were Hughes?

  239. igotid88 June 2nd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    “Matt Harvey had another bad game. Trade him while his value is still high.”

    The only thing that Harvey has in common with Hughes at this point is the position they play.
    ——-

    I was being sarcastic. And also no run support. And they play in the same city.

  240. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    So no Boesch or Brignac. No logic.
    Cano up 2nd again, don’t think he likes that.
    Esp. at 12-28 career vs buccholz.

  241. Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    “Of course run support has a lot to do with wins. But 18 wins with a 4 or 2 era is still 18 wins. And some of his era+ is deflated by his injury riddled seasons.”

    I disagree about how what 18 wins really means in terms of pitcher’s true talent, and yes, he has been injured and the Yankees have mishandled him, and if he was under their control for multiple years into the future my opinion would be different.

    But at this point it doesn’t matter. We are left with an inconsistent starter who the Yankees only control for four more months, and they have other, likely similar options who they do control for multiple seasons. Every decision they make should be mindful of that reality.

    The long ball issue, when you stat half your games at YS, is not an “only” type of problem. It has been, and could continue to be, a killer.

  242. Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    “These are the moments when I really ruminate on how much power Cash has…”

    That has both hurt and helped him, but we will probably never know exactly how much of either.

  243. mick June 2nd, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Wins are overrated and inconclusive relative to a team’s performance and a luck factor. Hughes is overrated because of that. I’ll take a year like Kuroda had last year over Phil’s 18 wins any time.

  244. Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    btw, I would have much preferred that the new park was designed very differently from the old park, but I realize 99.9999% people believe otherwise.

  245. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 2nd, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I still have faith in the Yankee organization and their decision making. I have no faith in Phil Hughes. In a division where one game could make a difference in who gets to the postseason and who doesn’t, the last person I want to “help” the Yankees any more than his 2-4 record already indicates is Hughes. I someone who goes out kicking and screaming and I hold on ’til the last possible moment, the last rose of summer. Patience is my hallmark, and I think pretty much everyone knows it. That said, I refuse to get emotionally bound to any player to the extent that my judgment is so badly clouded that I can’t see the forest through the trees. I’ve probably already stayed too long at the Phil Hughes fair. I absolutely believed in him and what he was going to mean to the future of the organization. For whatever combination of reasons, his pitching is far too erratic and his penchant for giving up the long ball is now legend.

    PLEASE YANKEES, END THE PHIL HUGHES EXPERIMENT – at least in the rotation end. Hell I’d rather see Joba start than Hughes.

    I love the Yankees. I want to see them successful.

    Bring back Nuno. Buy another pitcher. Do anything but let this nightmare linger.

    Wang’s inconsistency killed his chances of remaining in pinstripes (at that time).

    Phil Hughes is not CC Sabathia. To me, Hughes is an average to less-than-average, insecure, inconsistent, no-putout-pitch pitcher.

    The Yankees are bigger than Phil Hughes. Sorry Phil, but you just can’t be trusted anymore. I’m sure you’re a nice kid and some team will scoop you up. I’m sure you’ll be inconsistent for them too, but in a much more acceptable way than your inconsistency is for the Yankees.

  246. David in Cal June 2nd, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    I think Youk was a good gamble for the Yanks, because
    – With ARod and Teix injured, his ability to play 3B and 1B give flexibility
    – He was an all-star and twice finished within the top ten in MVP
    – He’s only 34, so he could rebound
    – There’s no commitment to pay him in 2014

    This year, Youk’s OPS+ of 99 isn’t very good, but it’s better than David Adams’ 87. At the moment, our strongest lineup would have Youk at 3B (if healthy)

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