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Game 58: Yankees vs. Indians

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jun 04, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees lineup

1. Ichiro Suzuki CF

2. Jayson Nix SS

3. Mark Teixeira 1B

4. Robinson Cano DH

5. Vernon Wells LF

6. Kevin Youkilis 3B

7. David Adams 2B

8. Lyle Overbay RF

9. Chris Stewart C

David Phelps RHP

Cleveland lineup

1. Michael Bourn CF

2. Jason Kipnis 2B

3. Michael Brantley LF

4. Nick Swisher 1B

5. Carlos Santana C

6. Mark Reynolds 3B

7. Jason Giambi DH

8. Mike Aviles SS

9. Drew Stubbs RF

Scott Kazmir LHP

 

Umpires: Tony Randazzo HP, Larry Vanover 1B, Brian Gorman 2B, Manny Gonzalez 3B

TV/Radio: YES/WCBS 880

Weather: Clear, comfortable

 

One-sided fight: So far the Yankees have outscored the Indians 39-12 and out-homered them 10-3 in winning four of the five games.

Update, 7:13: Phelps has a 1-2-3 first, which was better than his previous first inning as I recall.

Update, 7:24: Teixeira bloops a single, but that’s it off Kazmir, who fans Nix and Cano.

Update, 7:40: Another good inning for Phelps despite a walk. He fanned Swisher and Giambi.

Update, 7:44: Three up, three down in the second for the Yankees.

Update, 8:02: RBI single for Ichiro. In other news, ESPN is reporting MLB might seek a 100-game suspension for Alex Rodriguez in the matter of performance-enhancing drugs and that Miami anti-aging clinic. The report states about 20 players could be suspended.

Update, 8:10: Teixeira may be heating up, two HR in two games, this one a three-run shot. 4-0 after three.

Update, 8:34: Four runs, seven hits for the Yankees through four.

Update, 8:49: Phelps walks two to start off the fifth, but then got three straight with Logan warming.

Update, 8:58: Wells now 0 for 3 and 1 for 17 on the homestand, strands a runner at second to end the fifth.

Update, 9:04: One-hit shutout for Phelps through six, and that one shouldn’t have been a hit if Nix had gotten rid of the ball quicker. Phelps now over 100 pitches.

Update, 9:13: Phelps is done. Chamberlain on for the seventh.

Update, 9:30: Chamberlain booed off the mound after giving up a three-run shot to Stubbs, 4-3. Logan is in.

Update, 9:46: Bases loaded, one out for the Yankees in the seventh, who haven’t had a hit since the fourth. Lefty Nick Hagadone will come on to face Cano.

Update, 9:51: Cano raps into 4-6-3 double play. David Robertson on for the eighth.

Update, 10:05: Robertson lets the first two get on, then gets out of it as he has been known to do.

Update, 10:14: Yankees get a double from Gardner, first hit since the fourth. But Brignac leaves him at second. Mariano Rivera on for the ninth.

Update, 10:23: Yankees win, 4-3.

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563 Responses to “Game 58: Yankees vs. Indians”

  1. mick June 4th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    is meredith alright?

  2. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    mick relax sometimes ppl fill in for Meredith. You don’t know if she has a family emergency or something along those lines.

  3. mick June 4th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    maybe she should have tweeted.

  4. yankee21 June 4th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    The Yankees have a lead off hitter that seems to be getting his hitting stroke back.

    I believe Ichiro will start going on a tear.

    Signing off.

  5. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
    you just make yourself look bad.

    Coming from an expert on looking bad I’ll take that into consideration.

    Ok, 23rd iteration of troll #19.

  6. comet June 4th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Who is meredeth?

  7. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Pat M. June 4th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    mick….I meant the Other # 7 !!!! And oh by the way, Cashman and Hal are coming off like numbnuts by ragging on Alex’s contract….I heard that if the first Brink’s truck wasn’t enough they had another Brink’s truck just waiting to give him more dough……

    ———————–
    Very interesting Pat, thanks for sharing.

    And I can’t believe Cash is still trolling the fan base.. ugh.

    Go Phelps!!

  8. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    comet June 4th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
    Who is meredeth?

    —————–

    Sideline reporter for the Yankees

  9. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    What Hal said was very tame and reasonable.

  10. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Good first inning by the Yankee drafted and developed 14th round pick.

  11. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Few and far between, but yeah.

  12. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    mick June 4th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
    maybe she should have tweeted.

    ——————

    I know your being sarcastic but if she did you would have had a problem with it.

  13. Boston Jim June 4th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Kay-
    Al=
    John+

  14. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    21 pitches.

  15. igotid88 June 4th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Supposed to be at the game but waiting for the person with the tickets

  16. mick June 4th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    ——————

    I know your being sarcastic but if she did you would have had a problem with it.
    ========================
    it just shows the insincerity of tweeting.
    when something important occurs, they don’t care enough about their supporters to notify them.

  17. Pat M. June 4th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Be careful with Reynolds

  18. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Or they would rather keep it private. People choose what they want to tweet about. I’m on Facebook and I doubt I see everything that someone posts because not everyone sees what I post.

  19. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Interesting stuff on Giambi.

  20. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Now please get him out.

  21. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Giambi was a great hitter for the Yankees, miss that guy.

  22. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Same here, JF.

  23. Pat M. June 4th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    The Giambino, real good guy ….

  24. astrocityfan June 4th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    I bet Giambi would be a great guy to play for. And the press conferences would be epic!

  25. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    @Buccigross 1m

    Outside the Lines has learned that MLB is preparing to suspend Alex Rodriguez, Ryan Braun and others connected to Biogenesis clinic in Miam

    I don’t see how they can, but ok

  26. mick June 4th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    phelps can be erratic.
    one inning so efficient, few pitches.
    the next all over the place…

  27. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    “Giambi was a great hitter for the Yankees, miss that guy.”

    Admit it, you really miss the “golden thong”.

  28. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    That Biogenesis thing is still news

  29. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    “Outside the Lines has learned that MLB is preparing to suspend Alex Rodriguez, Ryan Braun and others connected to Biogenesis clinic in Miam”

    If true would the suspension wait until he gets off the DL? I would guess that would mean Cervelli as well.

  30. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    If true would the suspension wait until he gets off the DL? I would guess that would mean Cervelli as well.

    No, players serve suspension on the DL.

  31. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Bud will claim MLB won’t tolerate PEDs. An arbitrator will overturn the any suspensions. Bud will shrug and say he has done all he can.

  32. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    “No, players serve suspension on the DL.”

    Thanks, I guess thats a bonus.

  33. theREALkevin June 4th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Rich, I’m not sure the arbitrator will definitely overturn a suspension. Last time that happened the guy got canned. Those guys might be worried about the same thing happening to them.

  34. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    theREALkevin

    I question the reliability of any “evidence” that MLB will produce. My guess is that it would be based on hearsay and documents that they would have trouble authenticating.

  35. SoS June 4th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Will texs 8 yr contract end up worse than 7yrs of giambi. Both came in batting over 300 end up an all ornothing hitters bbarely hitting their weight.

  36. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    I’m curious to see what proof they offer. They must have more than what we’ve heard about.

  37. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    @TJQuinnESPN 2m

    BREAKING: MLB will seek to suspend A-Rod, Ryan Braun and about 20 players connected to Miami clinic. Founder Tony Bosch agreed to cooperate.

    Well thats the way you get your suspensions :x

  38. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    The reports that have linked Ortiz prompt no action… hate it.

  39. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    @TJQuinnESPN 2m

    BREAKING: MLB will seek to suspend A-Rod, Ryan Braun and about 20 players connected to Miami clinic. Founder Tony Bosch agreed to cooperate.

    Well thats the way you get your suspensions :x

    ———–

    *whistle*

  40. SoS June 4th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Could the front office have the inside scoup on this alex suspension and part of the reason of the bad talk yesterday? If he gets suspended for the rest of the year does the yanks get ins. Money?

  41. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    I never in a million years would have thought the dealer would snitch. Why would he? He has dodged everything and MLB can’t do anything to him!

  42. tucker June 4th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Wonder if MLB will pursue against Cervelli

  43. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    “Could the front office have the inside scoup on this alex suspension and part of the reason of the bad talk yesterday? If he gets suspended for the rest of the year does the yanks get ins. Money?”

    With Cashman, whatever happens, he looks good because he was right from the time A-Rod opted-out.

    With the Steinbrenners, they look dumb for the same reason Cashman looks good. IOW, why would any smart businessman or baseball person ever think that the contract would turn out well?

  44. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    If he gets suspended for the rest of the year does the yanks get ins. Money?

    No, players who are suspended are suspended without pay, but for players on a multiyear contract their AAV still counts for the luxury tax. So the Yankees would not have to pay A-rod for 50-100 games but they would still have all the negatives for it.

  45. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    “I never in a million years would have thought the dealer would snitch. Why would he? He has dodged everything and MLB can’t do anything to him!”

    Maybe they’re paying him for his testimony?

  46. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Yeah it does seem like the dealer has no reason to snitch… MLB couldn’t do anything. Something is up with this.

  47. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    I don’t think a suspension matters at all in regards to the cost of his contract.

    JF – I wonder what type of proof he’ll produce/provide.

  48. Pat M. June 4th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    SoS…..Good call

  49. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Lyle Overbay… enough said.

  50. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Worst. Baserunner. Ever.

  51. SoS June 4th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Jerk
    I read earlier this season if alex doesn’t nor play at all this season insurance would kick in. Does this mean they would pay the rehab days prior to suspension?

  52. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Good hit, bad base running.

  53. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Maybe dehydration causes poor judgement on the paths?

  54. theREALkevin June 4th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Rich, yeah, I mean I guess some of the documents with the payments listed, along with testimony from employees would be what they’re going on. We’ll see how it progresses.

    Ichiro!

  55. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    T.J. Quinn of ESPN’s Outside the Lines reports that Major League Baseball is preparing to suspend Ryan Braun, Alex Rodriguez and about 20 others connected to the Biogenesis clinic in Miami.
    Uh oh. The Biogenesis mess had seemed to calm down over the last couple months, but apparently there could be a major fallout yet to come. Quinn is reporting that founder Tony Bosch is prepared to testify against the players connected with his clinic. He also adds that because A-Rod and Braun could face 100-game suspensions because of their connection to Bosch and because they lied about PED use. Bosch has previously denied any knowledge of suspected PED distribution at Biogenesis but has apparently reversed course. Gio Gonzalez, who was connected to Biogenesis, will reportedly not be suspended because he only acquired legal substances. Quinn says suspensions could come within two weeks, though most players are expected to appeal.

  56. Doreen June 4th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    If suspensions are served on DL, could that be why they rushed Cervelli to the 60 dAy DL?

  57. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Ah, I worded it wrong but ultimately it doesn’t help them at all since the LT is what matters and it still counts towards the cap regardless of the physical dollars they actually have to pay him.

  58. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    I read earlier this season if alex doesn’t nor play at all this season insurance would kick in. Does this mean they would pay the rehab days prior to suspension?

    Insurance is different. He’d have to be on the DL the whole year and I think the suspended list may be a different list than that so it would interfere. And just like the suspension, the insurance only provides money to the Yankees it doesn’t alleviate their luxury tax burden.

    If A-rod is on the DL for an entire season consecutively they can get like 85% of that years salary repaid by the insurance company.

  59. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Ichiro has stepped up pretty nicely since Granderson went down.

  60. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    This will be the end of Arod & the NYY

  61. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    He also adds that because A-Rod and Braun could face 100-game suspensions because of their connection to Bosch and because they lied about PED use.
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    Wait, is this MLB policy?

  62. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    To my naked eye it seems that Ichiro is more willing to go the other way vs lefties, which could explain his high babip and average this year.

  63. SoS June 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Good to see you Pat. Hope the beach is to your liking these days.

  64. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    theREALkevin

    If they have Bosch under their control, my take may be wrong, but I do think they are paying him.

  65. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Is there official punishment associated with lying about PED usage…?

  66. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    I’m sure Arod’s 100 game suspension would never come until there are <=100 games left in the season.

  67. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Wait, is this MLB policy?

    I don’t see how, or else any player that appeals would be hit with a second suspension.

  68. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Someone just texted me about Robbie….. please tell me I’m being trolled on right now….

  69. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    The only play who has ever been double tapped for PEDs was a minor leaguer unprotected by the joint drug agreement.

  70. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Yeah, HRs!!

  71. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Tex vs lefties yay also scott kazmir bad

  72. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    RH Tex is still good!

  73. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Wow, could tell that was the gone the split second it was off the bat.

  74. theREALkevin June 4th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Rich I wouldn’t put it past them. Selig and co. really have it out for A-Rod and Braun, I’m sure Selig is still seething at Braun wriggling off the hook from his previous suspension. It may also explain why Bosch has suddenly changed his stance on the whole thing.

    Tex!!

  75. Niblick June 4th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    That Tex guy is finished, isn’t he?

  76. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    might not like who the 20 peeps are

  77. Benny Blanco June 4th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    see what happens when we complain about tex :)

  78. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Doreen June 4th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
    If suspensions are served on DL, could that be why they rushed Cervelli to the 60 dAy DL?

    I think he was going to be out near that amount of time anyway.

    But I doubt suspensions can be served retroactively for players on the DL.

  79. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    i thought all along that mlb would make a move on alex before he came back from the injury.

  80. Benny Blanco June 4th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Francesa is going to have a field day tomorrow with phone calls with tex…

  81. CountryClub June 4th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Sounds like Cervelli and Jesus Montero are part of the group of 20.

    Isn’t it nice having someone that can hit for power vs lefties?

  82. mick June 4th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Tex is a Beast.
    O’ Boy Overbay!
    Leave Cano 4th.
    Tex our best hitter for now.

  83. Triple Short of a Cycle June 4th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Francesa is going to have a field day tomorrow with phone calls with tex…

    —————————–

    What do you mean?

  84. jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    If arod is out 50 games, that isn’t a big deal since he’s probably out until possibly August anyway. 100 games though will hurt since that’s the season. Even arod at this stage of his career is still a solid player to have in the lineup.

  85. tomingeorgia June 4th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    8 rbs, two games. Not bad.

  86. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    But I doubt suspensions can be served retroactively for players on the DL.

    Its not retroactive. Its just that players can serve their suspension on the DL, so the suspension starts whenever it starts, and if the player is already on the DL they stay there.

  87. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    I don’t see how, or else any player that appeals would be hit with a second suspension.
    —————————————————————————–

    Exactly. This would seem to have huge legal implications, no? Basically would turn the appeal process into a huge game of risk for the player…

  88. theREALkevin June 4th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Gotta run, be back later

  89. mick June 4th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    To my naked eye it seems that Ichiro
    =======================
    The naked eye theory?

  90. theREALkevin June 4th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Go Phelps!

  91. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Okay, I know Twitter is not the best source for news but someone is leaking Robbie’s name. Let’s all cross our fingers this isn’t the case and he’s not amongst the 20……

  92. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    boesch has agreed to cooperate with mlb

  93. Triple Short of a Cycle June 4th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    8 rbs, two games. Not bad.

    ———————————–

    Let me know when he does something in the playoffs

  94. CountryClub June 4th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Cano is not mentioned in the ESPN article.

  95. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
    Okay, I know Twitter is not the best source for news but someone is leaking Robbie’s name. Let’s all cross our fingers this isn’t the case and he’s not amongst the 20……
    _

    Cano has been the subject of knowingly false allegations, but really, personal feelings toward the guy aside, the most important thing is to get this out of the way before any new contract.

  96. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
    But I doubt suspensions can be served retroactively for players on the DL.

    Its not retroactive. Its just that players can serve their suspension on the DL, so the suspension starts whenever it starts, and if the player is already on the DL they stay there.

    Right, I was replying to Doreen who seemed to think that maybe the suspension maybe could begin when the player first went on the DL. That would be nice…

    I’m a little afraid of who might be part of the 20.

  97. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    He’s not being mentioned as much from what I’ve seen but Granderson was also implicated in that very, very early report that came from Dog and Pony Show.

  98. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Shame-

    According to ESPN (Is that actually worse than a no-name twitter source though? lol), they have been looking into Robbie to see if the spokeswoman for his foundation served as a conduit. I would guess he’s not one of them as of now but I hate MLB snooping around this stuff. Goes back to my Ortiz hatred.

  99. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Francesa is going to have a field day tomorrow with phone calls with tex…”
    _

    I don’t think Francesa has any awareness of Tex’s disparate platoon splits.

  100. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    I’m hearing Cano too, oh snap

  101. jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Trying to figure out how they think arod has a second offense. The positive test in 2003 was before they did strict testing. That should not count towards him gets 100 games.

  102. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    twice for Arod..NYY have to lawyer up and see if they can cut him loose, & if Cervelli is part of the sweep dump him also….is it possible joba and Youkilis also involved

  103. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    -1 maybe

  104. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    ESPN not reporting anyone but Braun and Arod, FWIW.

  105. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
    Trying to figure out how they think arod has a second offense. The positive test in 2003 was before they did strict testing. That should not count towards him gets 100 games.

    Correct, arod never failed a test, technically.

  106. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
    Trying to figure out how they think arod has a second offense. The positive test in 2003 was before they did strict testing. That should not count towards him gets 100 games.
    —————————————————————————–

    It seems like they are counting not being honest as a second offense. One minor leaguer got the double suspension but I don’t know how this flies at all with the Players Union…

  107. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Cano wouldn’t surprise me

  108. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    I’m hearing Cano too, oh snap

    —————–

    At first I was like ‘absolutely not’ and now I’m just sorta hoping this is all noise…. noise I say! Noise!!!

  109. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Trying to figure out how they think arod has a second offense

    They would say lying counts as one offense, but I don’t see how that flies in an appeals court. Because then appealing would be lying about lying and then boom its infinite offenses as you keep appealing :)

  110. Triple Short of a Cycle June 4th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Yet David Ortiz goes Scott Free. What a joke

  111. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Shame-

    They have some other names in the story on espn.com…. includes Montero, Jhonny Peralta, Melky, Fernando Martinez, and a few others.

  112. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    A-Rod has a right not to incriminate himself.

  113. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle June 4th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
    Francesa is going to have a field day tomorrow with phone calls with tex…

    —————————–

    What do you mean?

    —————–

    Francesa was fielding non stop calls after the Red Sox series about Tex needing to be benched and being a failure. After his GS he decided to have a little fun. He played 3 calls on the HR one was in Spanish and said things like this can’t be the guy ppl wanted off the team right…no way.

  114. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    As I said earlier minor leaguers are not subject to the JDA that players get for being on the 40 man roster, so I dunno how they are going to apply lying as a second offense.

    I mean, at that point anyone who is using PEDs is actively lying so you may as well double tap everyone that tests positive.

    Its dumb.

    Also I don’t understand why MLB is jonesing so hard to create a scandal in their own sport. PEDs are cool.

  115. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
    jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
    Trying to figure out how they think arod has a second offense. The positive test in 2003 was before they did strict testing. That should not count towards him gets 100 games.

    Correct, arod never failed a test, technically.

    —————————–
    come on..he admitted it…not good enough, I’ll just take a guess and it’s back to the Sea days

  116. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Tyler – The fact that he’s mentioned at all is not comforting.. Me no like!!

    NOISE!!! JUST BE NOISE!!!!!!

  117. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
    Trying to figure out how they think arod has a second offense

    They would say lying counts as one offense, but I don’t see how that flies in an appeals court. Because then appealing would be lying about lying and then boom its infinite offenses as you keep appealing

    What does Ortiz saying that he had a shake in the DR count as? :)

  118. tomingeorgia June 4th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle June 4th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
    8 rbs, two games. Not bad.

    ———————————–

    Let me know when he does something in the playoffs
    ————
    We’ll find out when and if we get there. He’ll help us do that. After that, who knows?

  119. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    The fact that he’s linked at all might be a stain that’s hard to get out. F*$%.

  120. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    anyone noticed how much Jhonny Peralta has slimmed down

  121. Sir Harden Thick June 4th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Cano is one of them. Most the guys are from the DR.
    Arod, Cruz, Cano, Manny, Colon, to name a few.

    Sucks for Cervi though.

  122. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    And yes David Ortiz being bulletproof while I have see dozens of articles by sanctimonious sports writers about A-rod is obnoxious

  123. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Cashman probably knew about the Arod suspension the other day and that’s why he made those comments. Otherwise it doesn’t make much sense to start bashing him out of no where.

  124. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Jerk
    A lot of this stuff is really about guys the media likes, Ortiz, Giambi and guys that they do not arod, braun, bonds. It outrage is so selctive.

  125. Sir Harden Thick June 4th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Maybe Overbay can play 2nd when Cano is suspended.
    Heard he played 2nd in little league.

  126. I Am Winning June 4th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Oh how I miss that power Tex use to have … I mean has!

  127. Sir Harden Thick June 4th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Adams is working his way back to AAA

  128. Triple Short of a Cycle June 4th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Oh how I miss that power Tex use to have … I mean has!

    ————————————–

    Don’t worry his lack of power will be on full display if we make the playoffs

  129. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    im not so sure that separate purchases (or separate injections) of banned substances can’t be considered separate violations of the ped policy. obviously it would have to be arbitrated and or litigated.

    in that case, 100 games (two violations) would be something of a settlement.

  130. I Am Winning June 4th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    What’s this talk about suspensions? What did I miss? Does anyone have a link?

  131. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    I hate when they trickle out information… if they have a list of 20 players give me the names.

    And if I’m on the list of players I’m immediately like: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr.....qfqdfr.gif

  132. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Adams just has to be more patient. In the minors he was a very patient hitter and up here he is swinging at too many pitches that he shouldn’t be.

  133. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    im not so sure that separate purchases (or separate injections) of banned substances can’t be considered separate violations of the ped policy. obviously it would have to be arbitrated and or litigated.

    No way can something like separate injections be considered separate violations, since by their nature most PEDs require separate injections. If you’re ‘using PEDs’ you are naturally doing them more than once. You are banned for the presence of them in your system not for the amount of needles you stick in your butt.

  134. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/st.....estigation

  135. jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Cano is being suspended now? I don’t see that a anywhere.

  136. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Wacha strikes out the side in the 1st… Besides Ortiz being bulletproof, I hate that every pitcher the stupid Cards bring up is awesome.

  137. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    yes but i have heard several times that delivery of ped’s to you personally is banned. if you’re recieving ped’s monthly and paying for each purchase separately, i think they can argue that they are separate violations.

    as i said, it would have to be arbitrated and probably litigated. if this is true it indicated that mlb thinks they can win.

  138. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    The thing that doesn’t sit right with me is that in that ESPN article they say they’re investigating Robbie because of the reasons Tyler mentions… the question becomes: would they report it (MLB that is) if they didn’t think they had a case? Maybe they want to appear to be doing their due diligence since he was linked early in the year…?

  139. CountryClub June 4th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Also sure to be on MLB’s list of questions is whether the Yankees’ Robinson Cano, who could sign a lucrative free agent contract after this season, had any connection to Bosch or the clinic. The spokeswoman for Cano’s foundation, Sonia Cruz, was listed in Biogenesis documents, as ESPN reported, and MLB officials have investigated whether she might have been a conduit for Cano.

    The players who might ultimately face discipline from MLB include: Rodriguez, Braun, Cabrera, Colon, Grandal, Nelson Cruz, Francisco Cervelli, Jesus Montero, Jhonny Peralta, Cesar Puello, Fernando Martinez, Everth Cabrera, Fautino de los Santos, Jordan Norberto and a number of players who are either identified by code names or whose names appear in other documents not obtained by “Outside the Lines.” All are on major league rosters except for Puello, a top outfield prospect for the New York Mets who is playing in Class AA Binghamton.
    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/st.....estigation

  140. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    ————-

    lol

  141. PRDENTIST June 4th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    In the best interest of baseball, I ban…….

  142. jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    How Ortiz being bulletproof is beyond me. He’s in his late 30s and instead of declining when it was looking like be was in 2008, ends up getting better. Makes you wonder.

  143. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    I’m not sure I understand why Gio is on the periphery with these reports.. I thought he was involved?

  144. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    I hope that Cervelli doesn’t get suspended. The Yanks can’t afford to lose him for even more time. As far as Arod goes who cares what happens with him.

  145. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Ortiz will always skate somehow….

  146. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Gio bought legal substances. At least that’s what the report claims.

  147. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    No more stupid walks…

  148. Triple Short of a Cycle June 4th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Gio bought legal substances. At least that’s what the report claims.

    ———————————

    Sounds like the milkshake defense to me

  149. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Also sure to be on MLB’s list of questions is whether the Yankees’ Robinson Cano, who could sign a lucrative free agent contract after this season, had any connection to Bosch or the clinic. The spokeswoman for Cano’s foundation, Sonia Cruz, was listed in Biogenesis documents, as ESPN reported, and MLB officials have investigated whether she might have been a conduit for Cano.

    ——————

    Didn’t they come out and say he was not involved at all.

  150. ac1 June 4th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Regarding this PED thing, baseball can try to suspend the players but they will ALL take it to court. There is no way that Bosch alone will be seem as a credible witness and the idea that a man who is covering his butt is the ONLY witness would NEVER hold up in court.

  151. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    I wonder what Sonia purchased….

  152. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Phelps is pitching himself into trouble. It looks like he is rushing and not finishing his delivery.

  153. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
    Ortiz will always skate somehow….

    —————

    Someone is on the take

  154. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Gio bought legal substances. At least that’s what the report claims.

    ————-

    Right, gotcha sorry I’m on information consumption overload right now…

  155. ac1 June 4th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    I love that MLB irresponsibly threw Cano’s name in, even though they already established what his ‘connection’ was about. OH MY someone who worked for his foundation called once.

  156. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle June 4th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
    Gio bought legal substances. At least that’s what the report claims.

    ———————————

    Sounds like the milkshake defense to me
    —————————————————————–

    Just happening to buy legal substances from the lab primarily providing PEDs to fellow major leaguers is definitely the most plausible situation. Lol.

  157. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Ultimately you kinda have to ask yourself even if he’s cleared if you believe it. It’ll be interesting to see how people reconcile their feelings over Cano and Arod.

  158. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Phelps has to be able to give them length if he is going to stay in the rotation. It seems like he is ok for 3-4 innings and then the wheels fall off.

  159. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
    I wonder what Sonia purchased….

    ————-
    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1324454

  160. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
    How Ortiz being bulletproof is beyond me. He’s in his late 30s and instead of declining when it was looking like be was in 2008, ends up getting better. Makes you wonder.

    Go take a look at his Twins David Arias card and you’ll wonder some more.

  161. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    “Ultimately you kinda have to ask yourself even if he’s cleared if you believe it. It’ll be interesting to see how people reconcile their feelings over Cano and Arod.”

    Most people only seem to care when the players they root for no longer produce.

  162. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    ac1 June 4th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    I love that MLB irresponsibly threw Cano’s name in, even though they already established what his ‘connection’ was about. OH MY someone who worked for his foundation called once.

    —————–

    That’s what makes me think there must be more to it, because why would they indict a player with such a high profile (that’s not negative) if they didn’t have to?

  163. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Phelps just needs to keep it together here… We should be on our way to a W.

    What a distracting story though..

  164. ron June 4th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    “In exchange for Bosch’s full cooperation, sources said, Major League Baseball will drop the lawsuit it filed against Bosch in March; indemnify him for any liability arising from his cooperation; provide personal security for him and even put in a good word with any law enforcement agency that may bring charges against him. Sources said negotiations over the agreement, which lasted several weeks, stalled over the last point, as Bosch wanted the strongest assurances he could get that MLB would help mitigate any prosecution”.

  165. Mordot11 June 4th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    If there’s evidence against these guys then by all means suspend them. If there isn’t REAL evidence though MLB needs to let this go. (Hi Roger Goodell!)

  166. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Thanks for the article.. still not really sure what to think.

  167. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    Rich – I agree. That’s how I feel about it mostly lol.

  168. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    I love watching Tex play 1st base, he is like a cat out there.

  169. ron June 4th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    “One source familiar with the case said the commissioner’s office might seek 100-game suspensions for Rodriguez, Braun and other players, the penalty for a second doping offense. The argument, the source said, is that the players’ connection to Bosch constitutes one offense, and previous statements to MLB officials denying any such connection or the use of PEDs constitute another. Bosch and his attorneys did not return several calls. MLB officials refused to comment when reached Tuesday”.

  170. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Kill the sport even more

  171. ron June 4th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/.....52922.html

  172. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    ron June 4th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    “In exchange for Bosch’s full cooperation, sources said, Major League Baseball will drop the lawsuit it filed against Bosch in March; indemnify him for any liability arising from his cooperation; provide personal security for him and even put in a good word with any law enforcement agency that may bring charges against him. Sources said negotiations over the agreement, which lasted several weeks, stalled over the last point, as Bosch wanted the strongest assurances he could get that MLB would help mitigate any prosecution”.

    ———————–

    Ummm.. let me just be the first to say:

    What. The. F***.

  173. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    “In exchange for Bosch’s full cooperation, sources said, Major League Baseball will drop the lawsuit it filed against Bosch in March; indemnify him for any liability arising from his cooperation; provide personal security for him and even put in a good word with any law enforcement agency..”

    So, paying him, as long as he says what they want to hear.

  174. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    In order to suspend these guys mlb needs real proof they can’t just go on whatever this guy says. Also who knows how much of his story will be the truth.

  175. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    So, paying him, as long as he says what they want to hear.

    —————

    Yep so they can turn around and say they’re cleaning up the sport. Forget the fact that the sport is losing interest.

  176. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    This MLB story seems like it’s going to be a long legal battle and it really does seem extremely shady… not saying that just because a couple of Yanks are involved. This is going to take a while.

  177. ron June 4th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    The players union should of said,only a failed test constitutes a violation.
    Trying to double tap for violations is shady,but we might be one step closer to getting rid of arod.
    How many offenses does it take for a permanent ban?
    Then the Yankees would not have to pay arod.

  178. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Cano damn it

  179. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    MLB is protecting a criminal so they can suspend baseball players.

    How do we feel about this?

    I’m not sure… on one hand, I love a good bribe… on the other, I’m a tax payer… hmmm..

  180. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Tex feeling it
    Hard to believe flash played with jack Clark in Boston of all places …if tex just caught him, Clark hit a lot of hrs
    Canos 3-2 swing in the first inning changed his season
    Wonder why the yanks didn’t consider Kaz for thie bp

  181. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Sterling sucks.

  182. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Isn’t all this exactly what general Von steingrabber did with spiro to winny?

  183. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    In order to suspend these guys mlb needs real proof they can’t just go on whatever this guy says. Also who knows how much of his story will be the truth.

    ——————————

    He’ll need to produce documentation, no doubt.. I’m assuming he has it but I’m curious to see how the evidence shapes up.

  184. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Bosch may well have records, which he will claim are genuine, although maybe with pseudonyms.

    There are likely going to be plenty of avenues for impeachment, but that’s for an appeal, and that depends on the rules of evidence in any proceeding.

    Baseball just doesn’t know how to market itself. They keep killing the golden goose.

  185. ac1 June 4th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    “In exchange for Bosch’s full cooperation, sources said, Major League Baseball will drop the lawsuit it filed against Bosch in March; indemnify him for any liability arising from his cooperation; provide personal security for him and even put in a good word with any law enforcement agency..”

    So, paying him, as long as he says what they want to hear.
    ________________

    This is why there will be a law suit against MLB before those player serve any suspension.

  186. ron June 4th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    These lab owners keep insurance for the future.
    Test results,checks,etc…
    They might have some kind of test results.

    Read this from the article.

    “The ESPN story also says that Washington Nationals pitcher Gio Gonzalez may be “possibly exonerated.” He had previously passed a post-Biogenesis drug test. There are also questions about Yankees star Robinson Cano’s ties to the clinic. More from ESPN”:

  187. jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Seems like Wells has been stuck at 10 homers and 24 RBI for 3 years now.

  188. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    I really don’t think that Arod will be a Yankee much longer. Either he will retire, the team will work out a by out or something. With all of his issues I can’t see the Yanks putting up with this for even 2-3 more years. I also can’t see him hanging around when it’s obvious that the management doesn’t want him here.

  189. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Kazmir throwing meatballs. Tex and Cano robbed that inning. Should be a laugher by now.

  190. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Wells is starting to look like he might be coming out of his slump. Cano also looks like a guy that’s about to break loose. Their timing would be excellent with the 10-game west coast road trip coming up…

  191. ron June 4th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    It sounds like biogenesis has test results.
    Please not cano.
    My fantasy team is going to take a hit.

    Darn it.

  192. tomingeorgia June 4th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    Let’s win this game tonight and worry about the bogus MLB investigation some other time. Lots of police have been all over this and nothing’s happened. Then, let’s win tomorrow, too.

  193. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    I really don’t think that Arod will be a Yankee much longer. Either he will retire, the team will work out a by out or something. With all of his issues I can’t see the Yanks putting up with this for even 2-3 more years. I also can’t see him hanging around when it’s obvious that the management doesn’t want him here.
    ==

    If he can’t play when he comes back, then he might hang them up. However, I suspect that he’ll do fine when he comes back.

  194. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    tomingeorgia June 4th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    Let’s win this game tonight and worry about the bogus MLB investigation some other time. Lots of police have been all over this and nothing’s happened. Then, let’s win tomorrow, too.

    I’ll believe it when I see suspensions and indictments getting handed out.

  195. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Please not cano.
    My fantasy team is going to take a hit.

    Really? Yanks would have to re-sign Francisco to bat cleanup.

  196. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Can Arod’s 100-game suspension be backdated?

  197. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Baseball just doesn’t know how to market itself.

    ——————-

    And they wonder why kids aren’t into the sport as much as they used to be.

  198. Pat M. June 4th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Just hoping that Robinson Cano doesn’t get caught up in this dragnet

  199. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    The players should be the ones getting immunity for giving up the dealer, not the other way around. Its sick.

  200. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    The players should be the ones getting immunity for giving up the dealer, not the other way around. Its sick.

    Why?

  201. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Somebody should have caught that one. Lucky break.

  202. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Why?

    Because the dealers are more of ‘the problem’ than the players are.

    @yagottagotomo 3m

    The whole thing is kinda unseemly. MLB filed a frivolous lawsuit against a ‘drug’ dealer so they could blackmail him into a deal. Yikes.

    @yagottagotomo 2m

    They then agreed to indemnify said drug dealee against all claims and to put it in a good word with authorities. For the dealer. Yikes again

  203. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Because the dealers are more of ‘the problem’ than the players are.

    How do you figure that?

  204. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    The players are the game.

  205. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    It will take many, many months before anything happens in this case. It’s not the type of thing that happens in days. After mlb makes a decision it will be appealed by the players association and unless they have solid proof nothing will happen. Right now it’s just the players words against his.

  206. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    In a lot of places using steroids is a misdemeanor but selling them is always a felony offense.

  207. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    How do you figure that?

    Should you be giving drug dealers immunity to nail their clients? No.
    Some kids smoking joints they bought from some guy are not the problem. The guy and the people who supply him are the problem. If the problem is ‘drug use’ and not ‘omg our precious sanctity of the game!!’

  208. ron June 4th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    if the players gave urine,or blood to that clinin,they are stupid.
    It would break my heart if cano is involved,and sink his payday.

    That is what drug tests are for,and only that should constitute a violation,administered by mlb,not a shady clinic.
    Mlb looks like the real drug dealers here.Buying,selling testimony.

  209. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Players in every other professional sport use PEDs? Hear much about it?

    Nope

    Because those sports know they would be cannibalizing the product.

  210. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    110 pitches is a lot for a guy who hasn’t pitched in years. Considering he probably only has 100 innings in his arm for this year why would you waste it now.

  211. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Because those sports know they would be cannibalizing the product.

    ——————-

    That and I’m convinced someone has a grudge against MLB. According to reports there were NFL, soccer, tennis, boxing, and other athletes on the list. I might be wrong but have any of their names surfaced.

  212. Barry June 4th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Other than absurd anger with David Ortiz, who apparently isn’t on the list, not as ingle person on this board hoped that the accused players were innocent — as in not guilty. Lots of concern about money that isn’t any of ours. But, if the guy(s) cheated…who needs him.

  213. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    How do you figure that?

    Should you be giving drug dealers immunity to nail their clients? No.
    Some kids smoking joints they bought from some guy are not the problem. The guy and the people who supply him are the problem. If the problem is ‘drug use’ and not ‘omg our precious sanctity of the game!!’

    ===

    Your analogy falls flat in that we aren’t talking about “kids”. They’re grown men, some of them are millionaires. They aren’t victims. These sellers aren’t exactly hanging out in the schoolyard, getting kids hooked.

  214. ac1 June 4th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    At the very least, I think Cano has lost his chance to get an extension before FA. Maybe it doesnt hurt, but if he gets caught in this, it will hurt him big time.

  215. ac1 June 4th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    where was that pitch?

  216. MG June 4th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    did Santana cut in front of Chamberlain at the all night buffet line or something?

  217. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Nice start for Phelps tonight. He need that, and so did the club.

  218. 4TrainNorth June 4th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    I need to talk more xhit about Teixeira–it’s really starting to pay off. #yousuckmarkt

  219. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    GW – If you replace the kids with hedge fend coke addicts it’s the same concept.. who is more punishable: rich coke heads or cocaine traffickers?

  220. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    MG June 4th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    did Santana cut in front of Chamberlain at the all night buffet line or something?

    Hey, how about that Tex?

  221. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Your analogy falls flat in that we aren’t talking about “kids”. They’re grown men, some of them are millionaires. They aren’t victims. These sellers aren’t exactly hanging out in the schoolyard, getting kids hooked.

    Ok I don’t care who smokes the joints. Old people who should know better. Middle aged people who should know better. College grads who should know better. It doesn’t matter.
    They’re not the problem. The War on Drugs is stupid. The Baseball War on PEDs as stupid or worse.

  222. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
    Players in every other professional sport use PEDs? Hear much about it?

    Nope

    Because those sports know they would be cannibalizing the product.

    I think a lot of it is the way mlb sells the game, especially after the strike. The game is sold on numbers, 61, 714, 2130. It was the pursuit of the hr numbers which mlb used to get the fans back. And most of the guys in pursuit were roided up. No one cared, rhe owners, mlb, the union because revenues were big. Its just a lot more subtle in other sports, but just as bad. Of course those sports don’t self inflict the damage either.

  223. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Rich – Goodell must be thrilled people won’t have time to worry about his players getting their heads kicked in.

  224. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    hedge fund* ugh..

  225. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    If Claiborne was warming up why can’t he pitch the 7th inning? Joba puts too many guys on base because he isn’t aggressive. I don’t get it.

  226. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    And I personally think the way they are going about it is skeevy. Any of these players using steroids doesn’t really hurt the game. If no news ever leaked about it no one would care.

  227. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    i’ve been saying all along that baseball intended to suspend arod. i heard rob manfred on ed randall’s show at the start of the season say that job#1 for him was to investigate biogenics and he indicated that baseball was working several angles to obtain cooperation and testimony.

    this has really gotten serious now.

  228. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Joba is so fat now that with his flat brimmed hat he looks like Charlie brown

  229. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    GW – If you replace the kids with hedge fend coke addicts it’s the same concept.. who is more punishable: rich coke heads or cocaine traffickers?
    ==

    Well, that’s better. Still, steroid use isn’t addictive (to my knowledge). The players are in control themselves (even if they might be a bit greedy).

  230. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
    If Claiborne was warming up why can’t he pitch the 7th inning? Joba puts too many guys on base because he isn’t aggressive. I don’t get it.

    Yet Kay!leiter and Flash tell you how well he is throwing and how ood his velocity is.

  231. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    “Other than absurd anger with David Ortiz, who apparently isn’t on the list, not as ingle person on this board hoped that the accused players were innocent — as in not guilty. Lots of concern about money that isn’t any of ours. But, if the guy(s) cheated…who needs him.”

    Do you think this investigation is an exhaustive study of those who used? Do you think the Mitchell Report was? Do you think that Selig, owners, GMs, managers, and clean players were unaware of potentially rampant PED usage for 20 years?

    Yet they were all a part of a conspiracy of silence, in part, for money.

    So forgive me for not being particularly outraged at a small sample of potential users.

  232. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Oy Joba…

  233. MG June 4th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    I hear Chamberlain is working on a 5th plus pitch-the eephus…

  234. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Joba found CC’s weight!

  235. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    That was a nice pitch.. he was taking all the way though..

  236. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    joba vs. giambino!

    pretty cool!

  237. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Your analogy falls flat in that we aren’t talking about “kids”. They’re grown men, some of them are millionaires. They aren’t victims. These sellers aren’t exactly hanging out in the schoolyard, getting kids hooked.

    Ok I don’t care who smokes the joints. Old people who should know better. Middle aged people who should know better. College grads who should know better. It doesn’t matter.
    They’re not the problem. The War on Drugs is stupid. The Baseball War on PEDs as stupid or worse.
    ==

    Fair enough, I guess. Of course, if it’s okay to buy it and use it, then it should be okay to sell it.

  238. MG June 4th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
    That was a nice pitch.. he was taking all the way though..
    ————-
    that wasn’t a good pitch, it was a hanger that Reynolds thought was out of the zone

  239. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
    “Other than absurd anger with David Ortiz, who apparently isn’t on the list, not as ingle person on this board hoped that the accused players were innocent — as in not guilty. Lots of concern about money that isn’t any of ours. But, if the guy(s) cheated…who needs him.”

    Do you think this investigation is an exhaustive study of those who used? Do you think the Mitchell Report was? Do you think that Selig, owners, GMs, managers, and clean players were unaware of potentially rampant PED usage for 20 years?

    Yet they were all a part of a conspiracy of silence, in part, for money.

    So forgive me for not being particularly outraged at a small sample of potential users.

    You said it perfectly

  240. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    GW – ‘Addictive’ is an interesting word… I’d imagine there’s a psychological dependency. And there is most definitely a withdrawal period.

  241. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Of course, if it’s okay to buy it and use it, then it should be okay to sell it.

    Which is my position anyways :) Legalize it!

  242. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    That’s it
    Pitch to contact fat man

  243. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Yet Kay!leiter and Flash tell you how well he is throwing and how ood his velocity is.
    ————–

    Who cares about how hard he throws since all he throws is sliders

  244. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
    In a lot of places using steroids is a misdemeanor but selling them is always a felony offense.

    Possessing them is a felony as well. “Using” can’t really be pursued for “civilians”, unless caught in the act (they aren’t tested). The feds will go after the steroid dealer, not the users. They would use the customers to get to the dealer, the opposite of what MLB is doing.

  245. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    If no news ever leaked about it no one would care.

    ———————

    I honest to God forgot about it. Out of site out of mind but no MLB wants to be crusaders.

  246. 4TrainNorth June 4th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Stubbs versus Tubbs.

  247. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Damn Joba smh c’mon

  248. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    :mad: Joba! :mad:

  249. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    It didn’t look like he hit that hard.

  250. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Joba writing his own train ticket to palookaville

  251. longtimefan June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Why Chamberlain rather than Claybourn

  252. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
    Yet Kay!leiter and Flash tell you how well he is throwing and how ood his velocity is.
    ————–

    Who cares about how hard he throws since all he throws is sliders

    Wow, the ball is really doming out of his hand great, 96 mph. Damn slider again for a hr. you called it.

  253. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    HWT did that get out when Cano’s stayed in? Unreal.

  254. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    MG June 4th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
    That was a nice pitch.. he was taking all the way though..
    ————-
    that wasn’t a good pitch, it was a hanger that Reynolds thought was out of the zone

    ——————

    It was better than the last one. :|

    That was painful.

  255. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    What a surprise….Joba hasn’t earned the right to pitch late in the game. But of course he is out there because he is one of Girardi’s boys.

  256. jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Drew Stubbs? Really joba?

  257. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Joba :(

  258. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Of course, if it’s okay to buy it and use it, then it should be okay to sell it.

    Which is my position anyways :) Legalize it!

    I half agree with you. Yes, on the pot; no on steroid use in sports because it creates pressure on players to keep up. But that’s beside the point. I was simply making the point that buying and selling are essentially morally equivalent (assuming the drug isn’t addictive). As a result, I don’t much care about who snitches on who.

  259. MG June 4th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
    It was better than the last one.

    That was painful.
    ————-
    they were both bad pitches, it’s just that Stubbs swung at the second one.

    I’ve never seen a pitcher get as little out of his ability as Chamberlain

  260. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Too bad Claiborne isn’t one of the manager’s pets like Joba, Nix and Stewart

  261. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    No inherited runners, Boone is ok here.

  262. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    If we’re going fat, I would rather have soft throwing Rick reuchel than hard throwing jobs…who is jobbing no one but hisself

  263. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    I was simply making the point that buying and selling are essentially morally equivalent

    How are they equivalent even morally? Selling is distributing to a wider network. Buying is a 1 person thing.

  264. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Alright, Tony Bosch in his aviators looks like the stereotypical sleazy drug dealer… it’s almost too perfect. You’d cast him for the part in a movie.

  265. longtimefan June 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Joba looks like he has had one too many captain’s

  266. Barry June 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    There was a guy named Lyle Alzado who had something to say about steroids and peds. And, if there was a conspiracy,; and that is uncertain, then it is to be condemned not used as justification.

  267. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    If players get suspended they are going to f*** that dealer on the stand. Maybe not a wise decision.

  268. j9d June 4th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    It’s not the homer that was the issue. It wasn’t a terrible pitch. It was letting the two base runners on before that was really frustrating.

  269. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    I’m ready to move on from Chamberlain.

  270. moctezuma June 4th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Jobs sucks

  271. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Haven’t these players ever studied Biggie’s ten crack commandments?

  272. j9d June 4th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Totally ready as well.

  273. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Major League Baseball employs Mark McGuire.

  274. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Ridiculous how two nights’ running we’ve let the Indians right back in the game when you consider our struggles with the bats against the Mets and Sox. Now we’re going to have to use DRob and Mo, which rules them out of contention for the day game tomorrow. Absolute stupidity.

  275. moctezuma June 4th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Does Joba drink Captain?

  276. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Joba would look great in a Cubs uniform.

  277. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
    What a surprise….Joba hasn’t earned the right to pitch late in the game

    ——————

    This is the first run he has allowed since April 6 but it is frustrating.

  278. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Joba has no idea how to pitch and every at bat is the same. Slider, slider, fastball, slider, slider. He just came off the DL and only pitched twice in AAA. Let the guys who have been doing it all season handle the 7th. They should actually make him earn what he gets.

  279. moctezuma June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Chamberlain just doesn’t have it. Never will.

  280. I Am Winning June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    What ever happened to that dominating pitcher Chamberlin once was? I was excited to see him progress for years to come when he initially came up. Now if he pitches an inning and its relatively clean in surprised. A couple years back I would be surprised if he gave up a run.

  281. MG June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    this just in:

    Chamberlain admits to allowing Indians to score 3 runs so Mo can get a save opportunity.

    ‘I never should have told Mo to shush’, said the rotund righty reliever. ‘I figured if I give him an extra save opportunity maybe it will keep me in New York a little longer, there are still lots of mile high corned beef sandwiches to scarf down after games’.

  282. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Jason Giambi is managerial fodder.

  283. moctezuma June 4th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Would much rather see Claiborne or Kelley

  284. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    If you like aviator drug dealers, you should read “American Desperado”

  285. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    It’s not the homer that was the issue. It wasn’t a terrible pitch. It was letting the two base runners on before that was really frustrating.

    Exactly, but of course Joba has to show us his full repertoire rather than just pounding the strike zone with fastballs like Chapman does for the Reds. Trouble is Joba has half a brain.

  286. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    I was simply making the point that buying and selling are essentially morally equivalent

    How are they equivalent even morally? Selling is distributing to a wider network. Buying is a 1 person thing.

    That’s a fair point. I meant on a per-transaction basis. Still the network aspect plays to the seller’s benefit when it comes time to snitch, because he has more to sell. Of course, that throws Bosch’s credibility into question.

  287. j9d June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Hilarious, MG!!

  288. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    MG June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    this just in:

    Chamberlain admits to allowing Indians to score 3 runs so Mo can get a save opportunity.

    ‘I never should have told Mo to shush’, said the rotund righty reliever. ‘I figured if I give him an extra save opportunity maybe it will keep me in New York a little longer, there are still lots of mile high corned beef sandwiches to scarf down after games’.
    ==

    Heh.

  289. Niblick June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Only if the uniform was an XXXXXXXXL.

  290. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Nice. They have to score an insurance run now.

  291. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Jim Belushi at the hawks- kings game is awesome

  292. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    “There was a guy named Lyle Alzado who had something to say about steroids and peds. And, if there was a conspiracy,; and that is uncertain, then it is to be condemned not used as justification.”

    It’s tragic what happened to him, but he was adult who made a choice.

    I don’t want big brother telling people how to live their lives. I want people to make their own choices.

    For all we know, he had some idiopathic drug sensitivity.

    Why should everyone have their choices limited because of one person?

    It’s not about condemnation or justification. It’s about a recognition of hypocrisy, and having people who lack clean hands now judge others for conduct that they have previously ratified, implicitly or explicitly.

  293. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    moctezuma June 4th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
    Would much rather see Claiborne or Kelley

    Both has earned the chance to try.

  294. Brian June 4th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    I don’t like this trend with Adams. Last night Nix replaced him at third late for defense.

    Tonight Nix replaced him at second late for defense.

    Has Adams’ defense been that bad, and is Nix really that much better at second?

  295. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    Tex is a prime candidate for a double play ball. Don’t think they will walk him to get to Cano.

  296. Doreen June 4th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Jack squat, no, I wasn’t thinking they could back date any of the suspension. I was just thinking that some of the suspension could be served while on the DL, so the net is fewer games lost to suspension.

  297. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Has Adams’ defense been that bad, and is Nix really that much better at second?
    ————–

    No and no. Girardi is just obsessed with Nix. I really don’t like when Girardi does it because it makes Adams feel like crap. Give the kid a chance.

  298. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    I have Lyle Alzado’s autograph from one time he was in the federal court in brooklyn

  299. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Rubbish call.

  300. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    I Am Winning June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
    What ever happened to that dominating pitcher Chamberlin once was?

    ————————-

    Injury
    Mechanics
    Maturity
    Lack of confidence
    Stuff isn’t as good as it once was

  301. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
    Joba would look great in a Cubs uniform.
    ———————————–
    Lot teams are looking for RP..it really shouldn’t be to hard to find one

  302. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    I was just thinking that some of the suspension could be served while on the DL, so the net is fewer games lost to suspension.

    This is definitely the case.

  303. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Adams had a couple tough plays at 3B last night but from what I’ve seen, his defense has been pretty steady…

  304. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
    I have Lyle Alzado’s autograph from one time he was in the federal court in brooklyn

    ——————————————————-
    I have a Pete Rose auto…not much I can do with it

  305. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    joeman June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
    joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
    Joba would look great in a Cubs uniform.
    ———————————–
    Lot teams are looking for RP..it really shouldn’t be to hard to find one

    And there is always a pitching coach who thinks he can fix him

  306. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Adams had a couple tough plays at 3B last night but from what I’ve seen, his defense has been pretty steady…

    HIs arm isn’t the best. And I certainly can see why Girardi might prefer the veteran glove man to the rookie in a tight spot.

  307. Pat M. June 4th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Rightfield at The Stadium is an embarrassment……

  308. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Arod
    Kardashian
    Logan
    Bieber
    Beyonce
    Rinse
    Repeat

  309. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Great walk. Now cmon Robby.

  310. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
    I was just thinking that some of the suspension could be served while on the DL, so the net is fewer games lost to suspension.

    This is definitely the case.

    But only game days count while on the DL, right, not every day?

  311. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Tex putting up a good fight.

  312. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    HIs arm isn’t the best. And I certainly can see why Girardi might prefer the veteran glove man to the rookie in a tight spot.
    —————————————————————————

    Yeah I’m not blasting Girardi for this. Adams has gotten the ball there so far.. hasn’t always been pretty but he’s made the plays. Especially from 2nd he has no issues. But Nix is the veteran.

  313. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Adams is passable at third at best, but considering he has never played there he did not embarrass himself. That said Nix isn’t a bad defender.

  314. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Nice AB! That’s Yankee baseball!

  315. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
    joeman June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
    joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
    Joba would look great in a Cubs uniform.
    ———————————–
    Lot teams are looking for RP..it really shouldn’t be to hard to find one

    And there is always a pitching coach who thinks he can fix him
    ————————–
    pending FA & not going to get much at all for him

  316. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    I have weird autographs
    Alzado’s
    Phil Simms
    Darryl Dawkins
    Sugar ray Leonard
    Joe dimaggio

  317. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Nice AB! That’s Yankee baseball!

    The teams discipline has been much better this series.

  318. MG June 4th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    nice AB by Teix, he battled after being down 0-2 (or was it 1-2?)…

  319. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Predictions for the outcome of Cano’s at bat with the game on the line.

  320. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Flyball scores one.

  321. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    “Joe dimaggio”

    Wow!

  322. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    joeman June 4th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
    joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
    joeman June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
    joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
    Joba would look great in a Cubs uniform.
    ———————————–
    Lot teams are looking for RP..it really shouldn’t be to hard to find one

    And there is always a pitching coach who thinks he can fix him
    ————————–
    pending FA & not going to get much at all for him

    Is a bag of balls too much to ask?

  323. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Predictions for the outcome of Cano’s at bat with the game on the line.

    Laser to left-center gap for extra bases.

  324. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    I can see St. Louis wanting to rescue jobs and/or Hughes. They have plenty of minor leagurs to give up so maybe we’d get at least something back
    And then that something will get hurt

  325. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    MLB Network still showing Sox game up 17-3… everything MLB sucks tonight!

  326. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Have to score at least 1 run otherwise they are asking for trouble

  327. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Hassey-

    St. Louis doesn’t need Joba or Hughes. Almost every guy in their rotation is better than both and they have better internal options. I could see them maybe getting Joba for the ‘pen in free agency.

  328. longtimefan June 4th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Cano another choke like Arod when he needs to come thru

  329. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    25 m dollar man……..

  330. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    ugh

  331. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Anyone else got a bad feeling about this game?

  332. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Rats.

  333. Tyler June 4th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Cano’s looked bad.

  334. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    One this I’m certain of: MLB has more leaks than the Titanic.

  335. longtimefan June 4th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Yes

  336. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Damn, Cano has really been awful. It seems like he can never get the big hit or even hit consistently.

  337. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    I wonder if something is on Cano’s mind.

  338. Niblick June 4th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Yet another wasted opportunity.

  339. longtimefan June 4th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    No way should Cano get more than 5 yrs

  340. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    And yea, boo double play..

  341. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    The idea that mike carp may have found himself in Boston really bothers me

  342. jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Cano should be going deep against a bum reliever like hagadone not hit into a double play. He’s chosen the worst time to be going into a slump.

  343. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    They are never in control of the story.. if they’re intentionally leaking this stuff, they’re dumb.

  344. j9d June 4th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    I’m having a sinking feeling about NYY that has nothing to do with this game. This story and related developments are not going to be pretty, justified or not.

  345. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    This is really the 1st year that Cano swinging at everything in sight and not having any patience is really hurting him. He seems lost most of the time because he is just up there hacking away. It’s almost like he doesn’t have a plan at the plate. He is having a bad year so far.

  346. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Cue the calls to Francesa tomorrow saying Tex is great but Cano stinks and should be run out of town.

  347. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Cano should be going deep against a bum reliever like hagadone not hit into a double play. He’s chosen the worst time to be going into a slump.
    -

    I don’t care what his ERA is, he was making some tough pitches on Cano. Sometimes, the other guy deserves some credit.

  348. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Cleveland can certainly put up a big inning here

  349. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    The dreaded leadoff walk…

  350. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    sigh.

  351. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Great…This is sooo frustrating with Robertson. He walks the lead off hitter too often. He needs to throw strikes.

  352. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Please not swish

  353. jlyanks85 June 4th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    This game has a bad vibe to it ever since joba gave up that homer. Hopefully Robertson and mo can shut the door.

  354. Dill Pickler June 4th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Cano is in postseason form.

    Can we all please stop pretending he’s a superstar now???

  355. longtimefan June 4th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Sure going to miss Mo, seems like none of these guys have learned anything from him, what a waste

  356. Barry June 4th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Rich —

    You must be a lawyer … but, are you also libertarian…? And, by the way, the point about Alzado goes to other pro sports that have had their issues. MLB is rooted in its own history. PED’s debase that form of currency. And, everyone doesn’t do it. They respect themselves, society in general, the game and our culture, which is not reflected in the corruption of bumper sticker level societal contempt.

  357. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Bad loss this would be young skywalksr

  358. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    DP please.

  359. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Well there goes this game. Joba giving up the homerun was the start of it and the DP by Cano sealed it.

  360. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    What odds we get the DP when we need it now? 100-1?

    This game stinks.

  361. Niblick June 4th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Turn out the lights …

  362. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    C’mon Robertson…

  363. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Time for Houdini to show up, Come on DRobini!!

  364. TheStraw June 4th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Bullpen fail.

  365. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    I hope strike out man Swisher doesn’t get a big hit here. Make him swing at crap in the dirt like he always did as a Yankee.

  366. TheStraw June 4th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Good ole swish…

  367. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Season saved for now
    Swisher powers – activate

  368. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Big DP. Thank you Swish.

  369. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Sorry. The book is closed. LOL :)

  370. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Not that one I had in mind, but…

  371. MG June 4th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    that was fortunate…

  372. I Am Winning June 4th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    It would be quite embarrassing if Caliborne would need to clean things up for Robertson. Robertson has got me more nervous this year, I don’t know why, but he just does.

  373. MG June 4th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Swish hit a rope, how can anyone put that DP on him?

  374. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    And breathe…

  375. TheStraw June 4th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Bullet dodged….

  376. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
    DP please.

    —————–

    called it

  377. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Now hopefully Mo can do his job

  378. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Houdini lives up to his name.

  379. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    A senior Yankee official told ESPNNewYork.com the team has been informed that Robinson Cano is not in danger of being suspended in the on-going Biogenesis scandal.

    “Cano is not a part of this,” the official said.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....rt-of-this

  380. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
    What odds we get the DP when we need it now?

    ===========

    :)

  381. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Joe G laying into Drob

  382. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Barry

    Yes and sort of yes, although certainly not in absolute terms (I mean, inspect the food supply, dammit, because I can’t, and it’s central to human subsistence.)

    Did “greenies” debase MLB too? How about the spitball or the Vitalis ball or amphetamines?

    Where was the societal respect for culture then?

    Paul Simon wrote: “Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio” in the ’60s. Why? Because our heroes have always had clay feet. Nothing much has changed except the speed at which it is reported.

    It’s a slippery slope to plant a flag on PEDs as being so different.

  383. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    How many balls have we hit to the warning track tonight yet Stubbs hangs his bat out for a YS cheapie? No justice in this game. All down to Mo.

  384. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Damn. Wells is close. Now, Youk. Yeesh.

  385. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    “PED’s debase that form of currency. And, everyone doesn’t do it. They respect themselves, society in general, the game and our culture, which is not reflected in the corruption of bumper sticker level societal contempt.”

    DO you believe MLB had an idea that Mark Mcgwire and Sammy Sosa were doing PEDS during the Home Run chase?

  386. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Cano used to do that but wouldn’t have to leg out the double

  387. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    That is Gardner at his best.

  388. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    “PED’s debase that form of currency. And, everyone doesn’t do it. They respect themselves, society in general, the game and our culture, which is not reflected in the corruption of bumper sticker level societal contempt.”

    DO you believe MLB had an idea that Mark Mcgwire and Sammy Sosa were doing PEDS during the Home Run chase?

    What does that have to do with anything? The problem with PED usage are the externalities that it creates for the other players, incuding them to use to keep up.

  389. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    What does that have to do with anything? The problem with PED usage are the externalities that it creates for the other players, incuding them to use to keep up.

    But that follows for any advance in medicine/training. Players used to just dig holes in the offseason or whatever!

  390. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    MLB let’s an admitted user coach hitters…I don’t get it.

  391. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
    What does that have to do with anything? The problem with PED usage are the externalities that it creates for the other players, incuding them to use to keep up.

    But that follows for any advance in medicine/training. Players used to just dig holes in the offseason or whatever!

    Digging holes generally doesn’t screw up your body, shorten your life and possibly kill you.

  392. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    But that follows for any advance in medicine/training. Players used to just dig holes in the offseason or whatever!

    ===

    That would be fine if PED usage wasn’t injurious to their health.

  393. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Lucky tex has shown up the last two nights or this offense would be cooked again.

    Lock it down now goat.

  394. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Digging holes generally doesn’t screw up your body

    Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you should see some old farmers in Japan.

  395. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    “Digging holes generally doesn’t screw up your body, shorten your life and possibly kill you.”

    Greenies can. Chewing tobacco can. Baseball didn’t suspend users of either Why draw such an arbitrary line?

  396. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    That would be fine if PED usage wasn’t injurious to their health.

    Under a physicians monitoring, I am skeptical of the overall health impacts of PEDs

  397. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Now if you dig holes responsibly… oh wait :twisted:

  398. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
    “Digging holes generally doesn’t screw up your body, shorten your life and possibly kill you.”

    Greenies can. Chewing tobacco can. Baseball didn’t suspend users of either Why draw such an arbitrary line?

    Just because something slipped in the past doesn’t mean it should now. We as a society are much tougher on drunk driving now, for example.

  399. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Dill Pickler June 4th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
    Cano is in postseason form.

    Can we all please stop pretending he’s a superstar now???

    I’ m onboard

  400. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    That would be fine if PED usage wasn’t injurious to their health.

    Under a physicians monitoring, I am skeptical of the overall health impacts of PEDs

    Perhaps. However, color me skeptical.

  401. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    “Just because something slipped in the past doesn’t mean it should now. We as a society are much tougher on drunk driving now, for example.”

    The difference is that drunk driving puts innocent people at risk. PEDs don’t (again, I’m only talking about adults, not kids).

  402. Boston Jim June 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Giambi gots no shot

  403. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    DO you believe MLB had an idea that Mark Mcgwire and Sammy Sosa were doing PEDS during the Home Run chase?

    What does that have to do with anything? The problem with PED usage are the externalities that it creates for the other players, incuding them to use to keep up.

    I jumped in the middle here and did not go back and read all the prior posts but….

    DId MLB not profit from the Home run chase? IF they knew, and did nothing while raking in the cash, are they not complicit in PED use? Does a GM who signs someone like say Giambi not have an idea that he was using? is he not complicit in PED use?

  404. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    But that follows for any advance in medicine/training. Players used to just dig holes in the offseason or whatever!
    ——–

    Yeah man. A-Rod is really just performing civil disobedience in the name of science, not cheating at all.

    Arguing the principle is fine, but the actuality is what it is. Players have an advantage by breaking the rules, when other players are following the rules.

  405. joecembrale June 4th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    K’d that fat tub of goo

  406. BD (Boston Dave) June 4th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    “Under a physicians monitoring, I am skeptical of the overall health impacts of PEDs”

    ———-

    really depends on what PEDs we’re talking about. The ones the players are likely using? quite possibly no major health impact. That said, these guys knew they were cheating when they used them so if they get caught, they can’t complain.

  407. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Are PEDs going to be legalized when they are relatively health free supplements? Do you think MLB would? How would you as a fan react?

    Like we’re close to lots of things medically that will lengthen and improve our life, and I think banning PEDs is such a shortsighted, stupid, silly thing to do. Meanwhile, you can have teenagers cramming artificial protein and junk into their mouth to bulk up.

    Or like what if Jeter’s career is over unless he gets a banned injection into his ankle, but if he gets the injection he can play for 5 more years and possibly break a record?

  408. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    “Arguing the principle is fine, but the actuality is what it is. Players have an advantage by breaking the rules, when other players are following the rules.”

    That’s a theoretical advantage. Nothing has ever been proven.

    Some players have an advantage because their parents had more money and could afford private instruction.

    Nothing is pure.

  409. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    GO YANKS!! GO PHELPSIE!!! GO RANGERS!!!

    Just got in. Forgot to do it earlier. See we’re winning.

    YAY!!!

    :)

  410. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
    “Just because something slipped in the past doesn’t mean it should now. We as a society are much tougher on drunk driving now, for example.”

    The difference is that drunk driving puts innocent people at risk. PEDs don’t (again, I’m only talking about adults, not kids).

    That was not the point of the analogy. The point was about something slipping in the past but not now.

  411. longtimefan June 4th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Thank God for Mo!

  412. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Nice win… should be a fun discussion on here tomorrow.

  413. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    That’s the first time I’ve seen a player get thrown out of a game that was over. :)

  414. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    THE YANKEES WIN!!!! THEEEEE YANKEES WIN!!!!

    (And I helped!)

  415. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Yes!

  416. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Thanks heavens. That game had a bad vibe once Joba came in.

  417. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    “That was not the point of the analogy. The point was about something slipping in the past but not now.”

    But the behavior aren’t analogous.

  418. BD (Boston Dave) June 4th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Brady Anderson hit 50 HR.

    PEDs help.

    case closed.

  419. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Marianowns.

  420. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    I jumped in the middle here and did not go back and read all the prior posts but….

    DId MLB not profit from the Home run chase? IF they knew, and did nothing while raking in the cash, are they not complicit in PED use? Does a GM who signs someone like say Giambi not have an idea that he was using? is he not complicit in PED use?

    ——

    Past complicity really has no bearing on whether it should be allowed.

  421. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Aviles arguing that foul call is just lame. Get over it buddy, Mo got you to fly out.

  422. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    It’s nice to have a little wiining streak going after last week.

  423. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Brady Anderson hit 50 HR.

    PEDs help.

    case closed.
    _

    So why couldn’t he do it for multiple years?

  424. TheStraw June 4th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    That was vintage Mo.

  425. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
    “That was not the point of the analogy. The point was about something slipping in the past but not now.”

    But the behavior aren’t analogous.

    I agree, but that’s besides the point.

  426. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    “Past complicity really has no bearing on whether it should be allowed.”

    Until MLB admits it, they are no better than any player who has. Not only that but they encouraged it by throwing money at known users.

    MLB needs to suspend themselves!

  427. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    JF-
    Lets make em mandatory.
    If you don’t use you fall by the wayside so from now on if you don’t use you are banned.

  428. Jesus Bustero June 4th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    As hard as I am on Teixeira, I couldn’t be more happy if any other player proved me wrong than if he does.

  429. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    I’m not even going to argue whether steroids can help players or not. That’s willful ignorance.

    I appreciate saying we cannot easily translate or quantify how much steroids help players, if they help all players equally, whatever, but it seems rather indisputable that steroids have helped players.

  430. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Hopefully Tex gets off of lohuds radar now for at least a few days. I got your back 25

  431. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    “Past complicity really has no bearing on whether it should be allowed.”

    Until MLB admits it, they are no better than any player who has. Not only that but they encouraged it by throwing money at known users.

    MLB needs to suspend themselves!
    ==

    Perhaps. But it’s a non sequitur.

  432. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    steroids have helped players.
    ===============
    and hurt those who don’t.

  433. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    “I agree, but that’s besides the point.”

    It is? If you want to argue that society has changed, then you need to cite a behavior that serves as a proper vehicle to highlight that change.

    Your analogy is like saying that a loaded gun with a bullet that can only kill its user is the same as one that can kill a room full of children.

  434. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Hopefully Tex gets off of lohuds radar now for at least a few days. I got your back 25
    ==

    They’ll shut up until his next 0fer.

  435. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    I’m not even going to argue whether steroids can help players or not. That’s willful ignorance.

    _

    Then willfully post some studies that support your point.

  436. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    “Hopefully Tex gets off of lohuds radar now for at least a few days. I got your back 25″

    I don’t think anybody had an issue with RH batting Tex. It’s the left handed version thats the issue.

  437. 4TrainNorth June 4th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    The time has come to convert Joba … to a hitter.

  438. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Wow. ARod might get 100 game suspension. precedent already sent. Bosch of Biogenesis to testify.

  439. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    are joba drob and mo off limits tmw?

  440. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    True but he did homer last night lefty. Just have to see ho it plays out I guess.

  441. Jesus Bustero June 4th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    The Braves need a late inning reliever. I say try to trade Joba for Jordan Schafer.

  442. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    yeah we should of signed melky…

  443. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Wow. ARod might get 100 game suspension. precedent already sent. Bosch of Biogenesis to testify.
    ==

    How can they suspend him for 100 games?

  444. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    “yeah we should of signed melky…”

    They signed Hafner. There have been past reports that he used.

  445. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    melky has been caught and is stupider

  446. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    “melky has been caught and is stupider”

    Heh.

  447. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Phelps back on the beam.

    What I was hoping for.

    Could have had a no no thru 6.

    More chances to prove himself.

    I have sweet dreams tonight.

    :)

  448. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....nt=Yankees

    Ghost here’s the NYY post article.

  449. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    According to ESPN, MLB has already established precedent to suspend a player for two offenses in one shot: minor league player Cesar Carrillo was hit with a 100-game suspension in March when he was confronted with Biogenesis documents containing his name and then denied having any connection to Bosch or the clinic.

    Because Carrillo was on a minor league contract, however, and thus not a member of the MLB Players’ Association, he was not entitled to an appeal through arbitration. Major league players accused by MLB are expected to fight any suspension, and efforts to charge the players with multiple offenses would bring that fight to another level. In the appeals process, players are allowed to confront witnesses and evidence in a courtroom-like procedure before an arbitration panel.

  450. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    these guys are thumbing their noses with the excuse that the fans don’t care , mlb doesn’t care so why should we care.

  451. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    nobody knows who use and who didn’t. I don’t get worked up about it. It’s a waste of time.

  452. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    “According to ESPN, MLB has already established precedent…”

    “Because Carrillo was on a minor league contract, however, and thus not a member of the MLB Players’ Association, he was not entitled to an appeal through arbitration.”

    So, no precedent.

  453. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    I wonder if Cervelli will get suspended also?

  454. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Nice. Thanks. This is just what I wanted to know.

  455. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    All my fault.

    Sux 17!!! You’ve got to be kidding me!

    I had to do it ahead of time. I apologize. I will NOT forget tomorrow.

    :(

  456. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    The precedent was set on a minor leaguer not under the JDA protection. Aka there was no precedent set. Bud Selig could have had Carrillo sent to a gulag for all the protection being a non-40 man minor league player afforded him.

    He will try and fail to snap Braun and A-rod for more than 1 offense, and I’m not certain they will get either for 1 offense.

  457. Barry June 4th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Re the spitball, greenies, etc…al of these were outlawed and the rules were and have been enforced. We have two men, Derek and Alex. Both more than pretty good. One a known cheater and the other not. The known individual, at one time, got more “love” then the honest man. I would like to have seen it play out on a level field. However, the cheater is out of favor. These are issues of character. And, some people do have families with more money. Some are better looking, stronger…it is what we all deal with.

  458. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Hey wait. What’s going on. Who’s being suspended? I’m reading the posts from bottom to top and am seeing something about suspensions!

    Thanks.

  459. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    I can’t imagine that ARod would have been stupid enough to leave a paper trail. It will be tough to prove.

  460. JobaTipsHisCap June 4th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    will we see Arod play for Yankees again?
    it’s just sad.

  461. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Oh no. Not Arod.

  462. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
    “I agree, but that’s besides the point.”

    It is? If you want to argue that society has changed, then you need to cite a behavior that serves as a proper vehicle to highlight that change.

    Your analogy is like saying that a loaded gun with a bullet that can only kill its user is the same as one that can kill a room full of children.

    I think you are missing the point, and I’m not sure you really don’t understand it.

    You basically said why should they ban steroids now when they used greenies in the past. I just pointed out that lack of enforcement in the past doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try to make things right now.

    And that was the only relevant point of the analogy I used, not which is more dangerous to oneself or others.

  463. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    JF

    So you think ARod will deny any connection to Bosch, after already admitting to steroid abuse in the past. Hal must have gotten word of this yesterday.

  464. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Bob Klapisch ?@BobKlap

    Told there are “other major, major names” involved in the Biogensis scandal besides A-Rod and Braun.

  465. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
    I’m not even going to argue whether steroids can help players or not. That’s willful ignorance.

    _

    Then willfully post some studies that support your point.
    ———

    Since athletes across many sports take steroids to enhance muscle growth, and the preconceived notion is that steroids enhance performance, I think your belief is in the minority. So I think the onus is on you to show me some research to prove why you are so willfully going against the grain on this one.

    I’ll check back in the morning. Thanks.

  466. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Remember the complaints about Ichiro/Nix at the top of the order?

    Combined 2 for 5 with a walk (.500 obp), 2 runs, 1 rbi.

  467. JobaTipsHisCap June 4th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    btw, joba stinks as expected

  468. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Remember the complaints about Ichiro/Nix at the top of the order?
    ================
    I lauded it.

  469. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
    Bob Klapisch ?@BobKlap

    Told there are “other major, major names” involved in the Biogensis scandal besides A-Rod and Braun.

    At least we know Cano is not involved.

  470. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    I heard there is an epidemic of ADHD in the MLB. Anybody want to guess why?

  471. Jesus Bustero June 4th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Yeah all these 100 million dollar athletes are sticking needles in their butts regularly to gain no quantifiable advantage greater than say, drinking a glass of water.

    STEROIDS WORK

  472. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Hi Def attention deficit?

  473. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    STEROIDS WORK
    ==========
    then all should be required to use them to level the playing field, its only fair.i

  474. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Might be 20 players according to the above article. Cervelli?

  475. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
    Bob Klapisch ?@BobKlap

    Told there are “other major, major names” involved in the Biogensis scandal besides A-Rod and Braun.

    ———————

    SMH here we go

  476. Run it Out June 4th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    I can not imagine any suspensions without a blood/urine test to corroborate what the dealer said. Players union won’t tolerate it.

  477. Jesus Bustero June 4th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    I pray one of them is David Ortiz. I want him OFF the field, effective immediately.

  478. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Might be 20 players according to the above article. Cervelli?
    ===========
    Cabrera ? (both)

  479. yankeefeminista June 4th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Yep, Cervelli may get 50 games. But let’s hope not.

    Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
    I heard there is an epidemic of ADHD in the MLB. Anybody want to guess why?
    ____
    So, they can get Adderal…

  480. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Miggy has been Bonds-like.

  481. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Yeah, this could get very interesting.

    On the other hand, does MLB need another major drug/cheating scandal with attendance already down? Big drop after the McGwire/Sosa bubble burst, iirc.

  482. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Hi YF

    Hows the ankle?

  483. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    The problem is that one of the main PED’s now used is testosterone, which clears the urinary system fairly quickly, from what I’ve read and is easily masked.

  484. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Arod will never play another game for the NYY..mark it down

  485. yankeefeminista June 4th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Hi Tar!

    Much better. Thanks!
    ____
    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource 5m
    Dellin Betances tonight: 3IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 4K and picked up the save. He’s walked just 1 in his last 6.1 innings while striking out 9.

  486. Captain Clutch June 4th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Cabrera, Bautista and Ortiz are on there. I would definitely expect the last 2.

  487. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Cervelli is a cheater, why would anyone want a cheater on their team & that goes for anyone else on this team

  488. austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Just when things had bee quiet on the Biogenisis front. What does Bosch get for cooperating? It’s not like MLb controls prosecution. Perhaps, he looks repentant to the DA.

    How does a suspension work for an injured player? If after recovery, who decides when that is?

  489. joeman June 4th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    if you ask me and this is what should be done is the suspension should start after the DL stint

  490. pat June 4th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    “I heard there is an epidemic of ADHD in the MLB. Anybody want to guess why?”

    Adderall can help hitters focus on pitches and pitchers on targets.

  491. Pat M. June 4th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    SJ44 told me last winter that the Miami area is loaded with places like this and this could be simply the first domino to fall…..BALCO Part II

  492. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    Mac

    From what I briefly read Boesch is broke and MLB is going after him every which way they can. So he is trying to call off the dogs, so to speak.

    JF posted earlier that a it doesn’t matter if a player is on the DL. The suspension starts immediately.

  493. pat June 4th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    MLB guaranteeing indemnity for Boesch is interesting.

    If Boesch was compensated to sign a confidentiality agreement with a player/players and his testifying breaks that, MLB might be on the hook to pay the penalty in such an agreement to the player.

  494. yankeefeminista June 4th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    austinmac, as per ESPN: “In exchange for Bosch’s full cooperation, sources said, Major League Baseball will drop the lawsuit it filed against Bosch in March, indemnify him for any liability arising from his cooperation, provide personal security for him and even put in a good word with any law enforcement agency that might bring charges against him. Sources said negotiations over the agreement, which lasted several weeks, stalled over the last point, as Bosch wanted the strongest assurances he could get that MLB would help mitigate any prosecution.”

  495. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    “Adderall can help hitters focus on pitches and pitchers on targets.”

    But it’s not illegal because A Dr. prescribed it. Although in

    fairness I do think MLB took some steps to try and toughen up the rules concerning ADHD meds.

  496. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    How was MLB threatening Boesch? With what authority?

  497. yankeefeminista June 4th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    It doesn’t look like Jonathan Gray et al getting busted for Adderal is going to hurt his/their draft ranking(s). Although he claim was that they used only once…

  498. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    What could the lawsuit by MLB against Boesch be? And the consequences of that outweigh how this could negatively impact a case the feds could bring against him? I don’t get it.

  499. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    “Sources said negotiations over the agreement, which lasted several weeks, stalled over the last point, as Bosch wanted the strongest assurances he could get that MLB would help mitigate any prosecution.”

    How do you find “sources” that connected? Has to be MLB controlling the press on all this.

  500. austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    If AROD’s suspension started immediately it may only cost money since he probably can’t play for fifty games anyway. A hundred game is a different thing.

    Is this why the AROD chastisement came from the Yankees? Seems rather coincidental.

  501. yankeefeminista June 4th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    *the claim

  502. austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Jacksquat,

    Evidently MLB claims Bosch knowingly caused the players to breach their agreement not to use PEDs. It is called tortious interference with contract and is a valid cause of action, in general.

  503. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
    Jacksquat,

    Evidently MLB claims Bosch knowingly caused the players to breach their agreement not to use PEDs. It is called tortious interference with contract and is a valid cause of action, in general.

    Wow, really? Aren’t the players responsible for their own actions? It’s not like he forced them to use drugs prohibited by MLB. Not defending him, but that’s weird.

  504. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    This just broke a few hours ago and I am already bored with it. YAWN

    I obviously understand why people are going to be talking it to death but it just does nothing for me. Suspend, don’t suspend, just make a decision already.

  505. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    At least Pedro Gomez will have something to do now. :grin:

  506. Tar June 4th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Unknown

    I agree

    And with that good night all.

  507. austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    Jacksquat,

    Yes, the players are still responsible. The logic is, I believe, to discourage people from intentionally causing one party to harm a third person. Old common law concept like much of our system.

  508. astrocityfan June 4th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    Wasn’t there a kid who got busted for Addersl yesterday? The guy from Oklahoma?

    And I do think the comments Hal made yesterday were made knowing this was going to come out. Insure MLB would warn the owners. I just hope Cano isn’t a part of this.

  509. pat June 4th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    craigcalcaterra
    When it comes to drugs, MLB has learned nothing from the past, wishes to learn nothing in the future http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......he-future/

  510. yankeefeminista June 4th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    astro, yeah, Jonathan Gray the top pitching prospect and a past draft pick of ours who we couldn’t sign. And one other prospect whose name escapes me.

  511. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    “Told there are “other major, major names” involved in the Biogensis scandal besides A-Rod and Braun.”

    Oh poor Braun who got away with murder because the poor delivery guy couldn’t get to a FedEx within 50 miles on a Saturday night, and so the a-hole arbitrator overturned the suspension? That Braun. What a shocker. See this is what makes it all worth it for me. The wheels of justice may turn very slowly, but they indeed turn.

    Karma is a bit*h. We need the stench of cheating far away from the Yankees. If indeed it is proven that Arod is involved (and I am getting all of this just from these posts. I haven’t gotten to read the meat and potatoes of this thing.) I want him ridden out of town on a rail. If he is arrogant enough to use after being caught before, he deserves every black mark he gets. Where’s your natural talent pal?

    I always fee bad for the kid down below who will never sniff the majors because his particular position in the majors is sewn up by a steroid using cheater whose career probably should have ended several years ago.

    I HATE steroids and I HATE that MLB brought this on when the seedy little commissioner decided to drag his feet, even after Congress kicked him in the cojones. He and Donald Fehr belong together. Liars and cheats who apparently sleep well at night. Amoral losers.

  512. astrocityfan June 4th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    I guess people will do anything to get an edge e en if it means taking something like Adderal. That stuff can have horrible side effects though, like making someone a Phil Collins fan :)

  513. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Well that’s it for me too.

    Mustelier now batting .302, second on the team to Neal’s .333.

    Till tomorrow.

    Good night.

  514. tucker June 4th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Mac, I imagine Bosch’s attorney has discussed the case with the US Attorney. You don’t give up your leverage in a situation like this without expecting anything in return. Perhaps the US Attorney or county DA will seek lenient charges with a recommendation of supervised release.

  515. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    “…it never demonstrated a lick of curiosity about the problem itself beyond how it played in the papers.”

    Selig has a boatload of payback on the way. You can’t be that much of a scumbag on earth and enjoy entrance to the pearly gates. You just cannot.

  516. yankeefeminista June 4th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Aaron Blair was the other prospect who used Adderall.

  517. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    And you can bet Selig will do everything in his power to try to find a way to protect Henry’s fat boy Ortiz if his name is on the list.

  518. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa
    Curtis Granderson and his one good hand would surely be more productive than Vernon Wells at this point.
    —-

    Ha, I laughed.

  519. igotid88 June 4th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Came from the game. Nice win

  520. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    tucker June 4th, 2013 at 11:27 pm
    Mac, I imagine Bosch’s attorney has discussed the case with the US Attorney. You don’t give up your leverage in a situation like this without expecting anything in return. Perhaps the US Attorney or county DA will seek lenient charges with a recommendation of supervised release.

    That would be extremely light. In fact, below minimum sentencing I would think. Distribution of these controlled substances is a major felony.

  521. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Wells hit the ball well a couple times, maybe he is coming around.

  522. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    http://instagram.com/p/aJrE3FC909/
    ——-

    Hey Chase from the Trenton Thunder. Cool, but why did they have to try to turn him into a billboard. Ha. I love that breed of dog.

  523. tucker June 4th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    I have no patience for the moral superiority police when it comes to steroids. I’m no Selig fan, but Baseball has done more than any other major sport to rid the game of steroids, HGH and other PEDs. THe game has acted to the point of self-inflicting damage.

    The criticism of baseball’s inaction on PEDs was valid in 1998. It is not valid today.

  524. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    “Since athletes across many sports take steroids to enhance muscle growth, and the preconceived notion is that steroids enhance performance, I think your belief is in the minority. So I think the onus is on you to show me some research to prove why you are so willfully going against the grain on this one.”

    You want me to prove a negative. O…K…

  525. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Igotid sweet. Any insider nuggets you have?

    JS – Yeah I hope. I don’t think he is going anywhere so he might as well grab a hit once a week or something. Right now he would probably be better suited as a jack o lantern.

  526. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    “I just pointed out that lack of enforcement in the past doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try to make things right now.”

    Good for you. You either have ethics, or you don’t. Breaking rules isn’t ethical, and supporting breaking rules isn’t really up for grabs because someone doesn’t agree with the rules. Wrong is wrong. It’s not just a little wrong. It’s wrong. Period.

    Our country is going to hell in a hand basket because the moral compass points in any direction that’s convenient on a given day. How about upholding a moral code that transcends what’s convenient and enjoyable for you (generic you).

    Oh well. It’s like whistling in the wind. But I sleep well at night because I know I try to do the right thing. Scary that violators, rule breakers, and their supporters sleep equally well.

    SMH.

  527. Barry June 4th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Jacksquat — It is not at all weird. Bartenders are responsible for selling drinks to the seriously inebriated — before they drive and damage themselves and other.

  528. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    I’m just pumped with winning the last few games. Anyway Anyhow is my motto. They all count the same and you get extra bonuses for style points.

  529. tucker June 4th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    “That would be extremely light. In fact, below minimum sentencing I would think. Distribution of these controlled substances is a major felony.”

    There have been other cases involving steroid distribution from anti-aging clinics that resulted in supervised release for certain parties. It all depends on who Bosch gives up. For example,is there a compounding pharmacy that is supplying the drugs to this clinic and others? Law enforcement will work its way up the chain … Could be a bigger case than what has been disclosed.

  530. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    “Jacksquat — It is not at all weird. Bartenders are responsible for selling drinks to the seriously inebriated — before they drive and damage themselves and other.”

    And who is the harmed 3rd party in this instance?

  531. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    *don’t get anything extra for winning pretty vs ugly.

  532. pat June 4th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    “I imagine Bosch’s attorney has discussed the case with the US Attorney.”

    Why? Is he under Federal investigation?

  533. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    “Baseball has done more than any other major sport to rid the game of steroids, HGH and other PEDs. THe game has acted to the point of self-inflicting damage.

    The criticism of baseball’s inaction on PEDs was valid in 1998. It is not valid today.”

    Seriously? Baseball did jacksh*t to enforce ridding the game of anything until Congress called them on the carpet. That wasn’t so very long ago. This was no voluntary good act on the part of MLB. Selig and Fehr didn’t even get recommendations to Congress when they were supposed to. And you can bet your last dollar that if MLB didn’t have the antitrust exemption, they’d be thumbing their nose at getting rid of steroids and other PEDs as we speak.

    They’re as committed to the steroid problem as they are to getting calls right during games.

  534. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    “Why? Is he under Federal investigation?”

    If there is, they don’t want Bosch getting paid for his testimony. It would likely completely vitiate his worth as a witness.

  535. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 4th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    “Wells hit the ball well a couple times, maybe he is coming around.”

    Good to hear jacksquat. That’s usually how it starts.

    By the way, I gave you big kudos yesterday. You were one of the few people who was keeping an even and sane mind about the Yankees and not seeing disaster and land mines looming all around you. And sure as night follows day, the Yankees have won their last two games. It appears that the “nonexistent” offense isn’t nonexistent at all.

  536. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Barry June 4th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
    Jacksquat — It is not at all weird. Bartenders are responsible for selling drinks to the seriously inebriated — before they drive and damage themselves and other.

    I can understand that, somewhat. I can certainly understand punishing those who push drugs to minors. But I think mostly when you are an adult you should be responsible for your own actions, unless you are deceived, which doesn’t seem to be the case here.

    I don’t understand Boesch being responsible to MLB for adult baseball players buying steroids from him, with full understanding of what they were doing.

  537. austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    Thanks for your input on Bosch.

    Can a contract get much worse, two PED episodes, two hip surgeries, one knee surgery and severely declining production?

    Phelps was regularly hitting 92 tonight. I hadn’t seen much of that before. He was a bit wild but looked darn good.

    Gotta love the Teixiera RBIs. Even when his other stats declined he has driven in a lot of runs.

  538. tucker June 4th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    “Why? Is he under Federal investigation?”

    If he was dealing steroids for non-medical purposes, then yes. At the very least, his medical license (if he has one) would/should be under review. And medical boards often share information about such prescribing abuses with the DEA.

  539. blake June 4th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    I got a steroid shot today for this cough I can’t get rid of….that sucker hurt .

    Great win tonight….I’m glad Tex is hitting cause they really really need him to

  540. igotid88 June 4th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    No nuggets. I got in by the 4th. Had to wait for the person with the tickets to come. Got to see Mo for the last time.

  541. blake June 4th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    I didnt see any of the game unfortunately….what happened with Joba?

  542. 4TrainNorth June 4th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Why is the list almost exclusively Latin players? What is the connection?

  543. blake June 4th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Just watching the replays….Tex looks about as athletic and fit physically as I’ve seen him in awhile

  544. 4TrainNorth June 4th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    Joba threw another fat slider for a three-run jack. This when he was bringing the FB at 95+. Can’t fix stupid.

  545. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    blake June 4th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
    I didnt see any of the game unfortunately….what happened with Joba?

    —————————

    3 run bomb and then all the hate came right after :).

  546. blake June 5th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Joba Joba Joba

  547. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    4TrainNorth June 4th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
    Why is the list almost exclusively Latin players? What is the connection?

    I know that you can (or could) walk into a pharmacia in Mexico and buy steroids just like apirin. I would guess it is the same in other “less developed” latin countries, like the DR.

  548. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    Yup without Tex this team would have lost both of these last two games. Yeah I know fallacy of predetermined outcome. But I’m glad the Yankees don’t take their directives from those who didn’t want him to come back yet. The cute little scrappy guys who compose the rest of the offense still haven’t found it. Guess their is always tomorrow.

  549. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    blake

    Suboptimal command.

  550. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 12:02 am

    blake June 4th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
    I got a steroid shot today for this cough I can’t get rid of….that sucker hurt .

    —————-

    Can you catch ;)

  551. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Tex had a cough at the beginning of last season, interesting… ;)

  552. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 12:05 am

    Joba threw another fat slider for a three-run jack. This when he was bringing the FB at 95+. Can’t fix stupid.
    ————–

    :lol: Bring the cheese man.

  553. tucker June 5th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    Well, am glad the Yanks are back in the win column. I missed the game as well. Sounds like Phelps was sharp?

  554. blake June 5th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    “Can you catch ”

    Not well :). I could consistently throw 1.9s to 2B in college though just messing around…..the whole rest of the catching stuff though not so much.

    Night all…..that’s 2 in a row….1 more and that’s called a winning streak

  555. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    the espn article said mlb ma act to suspend the players ‘within weeks.’

    the nytimes article says ‘it could be months before baseball acts.’
    —————————————————————————-
    i think baseball wants to prevent arod from going back on the field but considering that they havent even interviewed boesch yet, nor any of the accused players. any suspensions are certain to be brought to arbitration which would take a while.

    so while mlb likely would love to keep arod off the field, barring a setback it is unlikely they can prevent his return this season.

  556. Pat M. June 5th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    Keep an eye on Los Angeles Dodger Yasiel Puig…..Wow what a talent he is

  557. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    puig looks good. so does mariel ozuna on florida.

  558. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    sorry miami not florida…

  559. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    I hope Alex comes back and rakes. Cheering hard for him.

  560. tucker June 5th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    Puig homered tonight … Showed off his arm last night.

    Sure would be nice to have a five-tool talent like him in the system.

  561. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    puig goes deep again!

  562. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Yeah he can be a absolute superstar out in LaLa land. I think the Dodgers are a fun watch. I wouldn’t count them out of anything yet.

  563. YankeesHub June 5th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Kyle Farnsworth is back. He goes by the name of Joba Chamberlain.

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