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Hal speaks on Yankees issues

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Hal SteinbrennerHal Steinbrenner was grilled on a variety of subjects before last night’s 7-4 win over the Indians. Here are some more highlights besides expressing the Yankees’ disappointment in Alex Rodriguez’s past escapades and his praise regarding how the team has done despite their injury adversity:

On Robinson Cano and his expiring contract: “There’s nothing new to report. If something significant (happens), believe me you guys will be the first to know.”

On whether Cano changing agents from Scott Boras to Jay-Z’s Roc Nation Sports is a positive thing: “We’ve had a good relationship with Scott, so we’ll see. … There’s been a lot of years and my dad certainly had his dealings with him and Scott’s been around a long time, so it is what it is. Whoever the agent is, that’s who we’ll be dealing with.”

On the challenges of meeting the sub-$189 million payroll goal for next season: “Again, tell me how the young players are going to continue to develop. Tell me how Pineda is going to do. It’s too early to speculate.”

On how George Steinbrenner would cope with losing to the Mets last week: “He went through a few, so I mean sometimes he handled it better than others, right? … Maybe he would have been fine. Maybe he would have surprised everybody. Maybe not. But it’s a long season. It’s a marathon and we’re right in the middle of it. We’re right in the middle of it.”

More on getting swept by the Mets: “Look, they are the crosstown rivals. There’s no doubt about that. But I concern myself maybe a little bit more with the teams in our division. You have to. But does it feel good? No. Does it sting? Yes, absolutely.”

On Brian Cashman’s comments to ESPN about Alex Rodriguez not being about to live up to his contract: “It’s big contract to live up to. I didn’t see Brian’s comments to be honest with you. Look, we just hope he comes back healthy as he did in ’09 after the surgery and we hope he contributes in a big way.  I mean, he’s a heck of an athlete, and if the surgery has fixed the problem, you may see good things out of him. We hope so.”

On Cashman saying that nobody can live up to the contract: “Well, that may be true. That’s a philosophical argument there, I guess. It’s a big contract. But we all hope he’s going to act like a Yankee and do the best he can to live up to it.’’

On how the investigation into Biogenesis has complicated the relationship between the team and A-Rod: “We haven’t been told anything, so it hasn’t complicated it at all. He’s been in Tampa. He’s been rehabbing and we hope he comes back strong. But there’s innocent until proven guilty, right? We haven’t heard a thing.”

On the decline in attendance: “As I said a couple of weeks ago, I think there’s a lot of factors. We’re not the only major-league team by a long shot that’s down and I still think the economy’s not great and there’s other things going on, too. The weather was horrible in April as you know, but we’re starting to see better crowds now and that’s going to continue with summer coming, and I just urge people to come out and support this team. Number one, they need it right now. They’re in the fight of their lives. And number two, they’ve earned it.”

Also, here’s a link to my story today on the Yankees finally finding some offense last night, plus my feature story on Nick Swisher and his return and Lyle Overbay stepping into right field for the first time in a regular-season game since 1999 in rookie ball.

Photo by The Associated Press.

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482 Responses to “Hal speaks on Yankees issues”

  1. blake June 4th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    pkyankfan69 says:
    June 4, 2013 at 8:47 am
    Sanchez + Jose Ramirez + Mason + Austin for Stanton

    That’s tough….it effectively guts the system. You still have some good ones like Heathcott and Depaula left but it significantly drains the farm system…..on the other hand you get a legit superstar type talent at 23 years old. My biggest concern would be Stanton’s health…..gun to my head I probably do it as all prospects carry risk

  2. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Blake-

    Maybe it should be considered ?

    As you point out. We still would have talent remaining.

    Murphy, DePaula, Campos, Heathcott, Flores, Banuelos, Etc.

    If you want that type of talent you have to be willing to give to get.

    We couldn’t snare JU. maybe we can get this one.

    It would take max effort. That’s for sure.

  3. gallagwar June 4th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    There is no package the Yankees could put together than could land Stanton. Please stop.

  4. gallagwar June 4th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Furthermore, the farm system is already depleted enough. Now you want to completely empty it for one player?

  5. gallagwar June 4th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Regarding Hal’s comments, the Steinbrenners have absolutely no right whatsoever to be disappointed in A-Rod. They gave him that contract when they were the only bidder, and had the chance to lowball him after the opt-out fiasco. Cashman wanted nothing to do with A-Rod, and ownership should have listened to their GM.

  6. Locke June 4th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    I don’t think the Marlins will ship Stanton for less then a huge package headlines by a superstar like Price or Profar.

    The only way to get Stanton (which won’t happen) would be for the Yankees to eat 28mm of Alex’s deal and send him to Miami with prospects. I don’t think Miami would do it for anything else we could put together.

  7. austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    The attendance is down at least in part because the team talked more about budget this winter than building a winning team. Every pundit had the team falling. They compete in the entertainment industry. Last night’s attendance was a good crowd for a Monday.

    The Yankees have always had a star during their best times. That brings people. I wonder if attendance and ratings concerns make someone like Stanton a bigger possibility,

  8. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    OK guys.

    Take it up w Sutcliffe since he’s the one who thinks it’s possible.

    ;)

  9. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Looks like Youk at 3rd tonight for sure.
    Adams DH?

  10. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    IMO there is no one in the Farm system who the Yankees would not make available for a guy like Stanton.

    There are no untouchables.

    Only fans who think so.

    ;)

  11. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Fans come to see Jeter and to a lesser extent Arod.
    They are the draws.
    I’m sure Jete will bring this up for his new contract.
    Winning isn’t enough for some fans.

  12. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    I don’t think we’re in the right position to trade so many young players for one guy. We’re going to need many position players in the future as our roster turns over, and I don’t think free agency will supply the same quality as it did 10 years ago.

    Stand pat and let it play out. We need these younger guys to stick on the roster, one player isn’t the answer moving forward.

  13. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    MTU-
    So you would let Fla pick and choose from our farm system?
    Whatever and as many as they want?

  14. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    And Robbie is absolutely a bigger star than Stanton. Your lay fan has no idea who Mike/Giancarlo Stanton is, besides some old reliever.

  15. blake June 4th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    gallagwar says:
    June 4, 2013 at 8:58 am
    There is no package the Yankees could put together than could land Stanton. Please stop.

    It depends on what other teams offer…..the yanks have a lot of good players to offer. My guess is that Texas is just waiting to put Profar in a package for him and in that case no….the yanks could get him most likely……but to say the yanks couldn’t make a good offer is incorrect IMO….

  16. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Kev-

    Not even tempted ?

    Cano and Stanton back to back ?

    Whew !

    ;)

  17. blake June 4th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    RadioKev says:
    June 4, 2013 at 9:20 am
    And Robbie is absolutely a bigger star than Stanton. Your lay fan has no idea who Mike/Giancarlo Stanton is, besides some old reliever.

    I think all baseball fans know who Giancarlo is by now…..

  18. blake June 4th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    I think the Yanks might should target 3 good players in free agency instead of spending on Cano….then trying to trade for another good player a some point.

    If there was no budget then is want them to sign Robbie….. If Hal is gonna hold the contract over the teams head then they should pass. Cano is a great player….probably a HoFer….however it’s very possible he’s already played his best baseball

  19. tbone1570 June 4th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    MTU – no concerns about the amount of time Stanton’s missed at this stage of his career?

  20. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Mick-

    I’d limit the number but probably not the quality.

    Stanton is an absolute stud. He’s 23 yrs. old. A young superstar.

    He’d look really good backing up Cano.

    You wouldn’t even be tempted ? That’s if we could even swing it.

  21. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Fans today want entertainment.
    Take a look at the scoreboard and see all the happy fans enjoying themselves at the ballpark.
    They don’t have the money for the game but gouge on $9 beers.
    Make sure it’s loud between innings as there can’t be a minute of non-action.
    Generation gap? Could be…

  22. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Tbone-

    Some. But not enough to stop it.

    People were concerned about JU. They worried about his shoulder, etc.

    How’s that working out ?

    ;)

  23. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I think all baseball fans know who Giancarlo is by now…..
    ———

    I think all baseball fans that post on baseball forums do. I think a not-insignificant percentage of folks who go out to the ballpark have no clue who he is.

    But anyway, no, not really tempted. We’ll need a new core of position players, and I don’t see how he helps in that regard. I’m also not a long term believer in Cano… so there’s that.

  24. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    MTU
    Haven’t seen enough of Stanton but I wouldn’t strip the system.
    Want to get younger remember?

  25. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    So they can have JRam, DePaula, Banuelos, and who else for starters…

  26. ac1 June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    I would NOT give up Gary Sanchez.

  27. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Mick-

    Stanton is 23. He adds youth. He can be a cornerstone player.

    He launches moonshots.

    Anyway, Sutcliffe just brought it up last night so I thought I’d see what others thought.

    I’ll paraphrase Stick Michael.

    All MiLB players exist either to play for your Parent club, or to be traded for someone who can.

    Most are designed for trade. Even as they are drafted.

    I don’t believe the Yankees have any untouchables at this point.

    I’d love to see them reach that level.

    :)

  28. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    blake June 4th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    pkyankfan69 says:
    June 4, 2013 at 8:47 am
    Sanchez + Jose Ramirez + Mason + Austin for Stanton

    That’s tough….it effectively guts the system. You still have some good ones like Heathcott and Depaula left but it significantly drains the farm system…..on the other hand you get a legit superstar type talent at 23 years old. My biggest concern would be Stanton’s health…..gun to my head I probably do it as all prospects carry risk

    ——————-

    It’s an interesting exercise… I think I lean towards your final ‘gun to my head’ decision. But I don’t even think that’s enough for Stanton. I can’t imagine they’d trade him for only prospects.

  29. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Well… Stanton is a pretty banged up 23 year old.

    And I still don’t see where the other players come from if we trade them all. Superstars don’t hit free agency that often anymore. And the superstars that do are… Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton…

  30. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    ac1 June 4th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    I would NOT give up Gary Sanchez.

    ———————–

    I wonder how the org privately view Sanchez/Murphy. Sanchez has always been considered the better offensive C, but overall, I wonder how they rank them.

  31. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    We have no idea how Stanton would react to playing in NY.
    Why is he hurt so much?
    His salary will reach the moon in a few years…

  32. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Mick-

    4 guys max.

    But anyway. I’ll drop it.

    I like our Farm guys too.

  33. Kelvin June 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Can anyone tell me how Overbay did out in Right Field last night? I missed the game.

  34. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    This whole discussion on Stanton is all Rick Sutcliffe’s fault.

    :)

  35. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Stanton strikes out a lot.
    If you want to get the Stadium loud then listen to it if Stanton got off to a bad start.
    Can he handle that?
    Enormous pressure…

  36. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Kelvin June 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am
    Can anyone tell me how Overbay did out in Right Field last night? I missed the game.
    ————–

    Looked better than Vlad Guerrero circa 2010.

  37. gallagwar June 4th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “We’ll need a new core of position players, and I don’t see how he helps in that regard.”

    What??? You don’t think Stanton is a core player?

  38. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Kelvin – Not bad at all. I can’t imagine them putting Overbay and Wells in the OF at the same time though.

    Like JF mentioned last night, however, Overbay has been our most consistent vet pick up but his slash line since May 1 hasn’t been off the charts exactly. Assuming Tex is healthy and can outhit him (which he absolutely should) Overbay might not last for the rest of the season. It’s going to depend on a few factors, of course.

  39. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    gallagwar June 4th, 2013 at 9:38 am
    “We’ll need a new core of position players, and I don’t see how he helps in that regard.”

    What??? You don’t think Stanton is a core player
    ———

    He’s one player

  40. gallagwar June 4th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    “Want to get younger remember?”

    He’s 23.

  41. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Mick-

    Things like that I leave to the Yankee Brass to assess.

    Honestly, I have no idea if he can handle the spotlight.

    All I can say is that Stanton is physically gifted.

  42. gallagwar June 4th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    I agree, you don’t empty your already depleted farm system for one player. I’m just seeing some bizarre statements.

  43. CompassRosy June 4th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    blake says:
    June 4, 2013 at 8:36 am
    The Angels got swept by the Astros 4 games…..lol

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    At home even.

    Thank goodness the M’s are not only children to the daddy that is the Houston Astros.

    ;)

  44. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Overbay and Wells should be platooned and he should play 1st on days Tex gets off or DH’s.
    He can also DH occasionally and can pinchhit .

  45. Chip June 4th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    I’m gonna take a nice deep breath and count to twenty before delving into Hal’s latest nonsense.

    Ok…

    The development of young players including Michael Pineda is not the key to getting this team to $189 and being competitive. There’s too much money tied up in too few players to form a team and still hit $189 and that’s before they re-sign Cano at $25/year.

    Even if we speculate that Cano’s the only FA they retain…meaning Hughes, Youk, Rivera, Andy, Kuroda, Logan, Joba, Granderson and Pronk all go by the wayside – you’re still looking at approximately $117 million for CC, Alex, Tex, Cano, Jeter and Ichiro. That leaves Cashman with $72 mil for about 30 players since you figure that a team uses about 10 additional players each year over the 25 who break camp. And it doesn’t factor in arbitration numbers for Gardner or Robertson.

    Next…how his dad would have acted about losing to the Mets. This infuriated me simply because it confirmed what everyone already knew. Hal was completely disconnected from this team until a couple of years ago. Ted Lilly screwed up against the Mets and a week later was in Oakland. There’s no way he would have glossed over it.

    One thing I will say in Hal’s defense about his comments – this I think is the first time we’ve seen him bristle at the not so subtle jabs Cashman has taken at his bosses…the line Cashman dropped about Alex not being able to live up to his contract seems like a direct shot at the people who gave him that contract and I think Hal took it that way too – very interesting to see how this plays out.

  46. mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Honestly, I have no idea if he can handle the spotlight.
    =============================
    Well, that should be considered before the farm is emptied.
    Do we have spies?

  47. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Mick-

    Absolutely agree. Makeup is important.

    I think we always have spies watching guys like Stanton.

    Especially when they might be made available.

  48. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Chip – Nice post.

    I’m just totally puzzled over how much influence Cash has. It really seems like none at all. At every turn, at every move, we keep hearing it has nothing to do with him.

  49. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I’d go five-for-one for Stanton, no hesitation:

    Two pitchers — Nova, Phelps, Hughes, Kelly, Joba, Warren, Nuno, Marshall

    Two OF — Flores, almonte, Almonte, Austin, Mustelier, Neal, Boesch, Heathcott

    One C — Murphy, Sanchez, Romine

    They get to choose the pitchers and outfielders, I get to choose the catcher

  50. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Mop walk time.

    later.

  51. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    mick June 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Honestly, I have no idea if he can handle the spotlight.
    =============================
    Well, that should be considered before the farm is emptied.
    Do we have spies?

    ——————–

    How do you determine if your prospects can handle the spotlight?

  52. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I’d go five-for-one for Stanton, no hesitation:

    Two pitchers — Nova, Phelps, Hughes, Kelly, Joba, Warren, Nuno, Marshall

    Two OF — Flores, almonte, Almonte, Austin, Mustelier, Neal, Boesch, Heathcott

    One C — Murphy, Sanchez, Romine

    They get to choose the pitchers and outfielders, I get to choose the catcher

    ————————–

    Hmm.. if I’m the Marlins I go with: Phelps, Nuno, Austin, Mason, and… I guess if I allow the Yanks to pick the catcher I’m left with Romine.

    That’s a pretty intense package, even if you get to keep both Murphy and Sanchez.

  53. Chip June 4th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    The notion of going out and getting Giancarlo Stanton is wrong.

    The Yankees don’t need one great player under contract. They need lots of really good ones.

    To empty the farm system to get one player at a time when so many of your players are old and/or at the end of their contracts leaves you in a really bad spot.

    Having one great player is fine if you’re a basketball team – but not the case with a baseball team where one player can’t dominate the game.

    What the Yankees need to do is continue to develop their position players like Sanchez, Murphy, Heathcott, Almonte, Adams, Williams, Gumbs and the rest…and actually trust those guys to play in the majors rather than deal them off. They need to improve their development of high end pitching so that Campos, Ramirez and DePaula don’t become the next in the line of Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Betances, Brackman and Banuelos.

    Then they need to make smart free agent decisions, such as letting Cano walk rather than giving him $25 million for 6 or 7 years and then using that money to sign two or three players to 3 year contracts instead.

  54. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Chip – I think it depends on how much they’re willing to risk. I don’t make a move like that for Stanton and then stand pat. Assuming we use 86′s package, for example, you’d need to probably find a way to turn Murphy/Sanchez into pitching depth or maybe a position player and then you’d have to move Hughes (I’m assuming this Stanton move is being done at this year’s deadline?) packed with something else to get something else you need.

    Basically, they’d need to change how they normally do business completely to make a move like that.

    For me, the moves that would follow a trade of that nature would be just as important. I wouldn’t want them just making a deal of that nature and being like ‘okay we’re all set!’

  55. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Chip — you might want to stick to your day job and give up the amateur psychology. Reading Hal Steinbrenner’s mind?? Seriously??

    You expected him to throw his deceased father under the figurative bus in reacting to the Mets’ sweep?

    As for Cashman. I suspect he’s like most every other GM… he has 100 % influence on the smaller decisions and less and less influence on the bigger ones. I doubt there’s an owner in the game who has given his GM authority to make $$$ 100 Million decisions.

  56. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    How do you determine if your prospects can handle the spotlight?
    ======================
    You should know them by the time they are ready and they are low cost.
    Stanton will cost a kings ransom in prospects then in payroll, IF he pans out.
    Maybe they knew something about Montero…

  57. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Make sure it’s loud between innings as there can’t be a minute of non-action.

    I cannot stand all the crap between innings. Too many really small kids. No one used to ever waste money on a ticket to the ballpark for a child under 7 or 8.

  58. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Stanton costs nothing until like 2017, why worry about how much he might cost after 4 seasons?

    Also, you can gauge personality but I don’t think anyone really knows if a guy can handle the spotlight until they’re feeling the heat.

  59. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    No one knows exactly where Hal stands on the $ 189 M issue, but I agree it’s gonna be tough to get to if they keep Cano. But it’s not impossible.

    Much more concerned about improving this team than worrying about next year.

    Gotta run… back in an hour or two

    have a day

  60. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I cannot stand all the crap between innings.
    ==========================
    It’s pitiful.
    Is this our mentality as a country?
    It has been taken to an extreme.
    I mean,are these people they show on the scoreboard even at the park?
    Such elation, such joy at being there, oh the celebration of life and Yankee baseball…Don’t you want to tell your friends you must go to a ballgame!

  61. Jesus Bustero June 4th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Don’t forget we’re adding 3 new prospects to the system on Thursday.

    So subtract 3 as needed for a trade.

  62. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Stanton costs nothing until like 2017, why worry about how much he might cost after 4 seasons?
    ==================
    So you strip your farm system for 3-4 years for a player you might not resign?
    Isn’t that what fans are complaining about , they want youth and we should just give it up ?

  63. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    gallagwar June 4th, 2013 at 9:00 am
    Regarding Hal’s comments, the Steinbrenners have absolutely no right whatsoever to be disappointed in A-Rod. They gave him that contract when they were the only bidder, and had the chance to lowball him after the opt-out fiasco. Cashman wanted nothing to do with A-Rod, and ownership should have listened to their GM.

    Agreed. The GM is hired to evaluate that. I doubt Topping ever interfered with Weiss. Cashman has been overruled going back to Tony Womack. More up to date he was overruled on Suzuki and Martin. You are correct, the GM if he’s good should run the show.

  64. blake June 4th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “The Yankees don’t need one great player under contract. They need lots of really good ones.”

    This is kinda the cardinal formula….however the key is to actually developing those “good” players into good big leaguers. That takes a good system and some luck too.

    Developing this “young core” sounds great but it’s not as easy as it sounds…..if it was then teams like the Royals wouldn’t suck

  65. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    The young core means less without a good group of pitchers.

  66. austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Chip,

    I agree. Good post. Does your $72M figure include the $10M or so in fringe benefits that are calculated in the cap number?

  67. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:05 am
    I cannot stand all the crap between innings.
    ==========================
    It’s pitiful.
    Is this our mentality as a country?
    It has been taken to an extreme.

    It has become more and more like the stuff at minor league parks. That’s where the really little kids belong. One other thing that has begun to bother me are those ridiculously staged home plate walk off celebrations. That is amateurish college crap.
    They are supposed to be professionals. They do this for a living. They should act like they have done it before. It’s become very disturbing to me when I hear a professional baseball player say, “We’re just going to go out and try and have fun.” What? No, I didn’t pay all this money to go to a game and watch you have fun. I’m at the game to watch you play baseball and act like a pro.
    They have definitely cheapened the game but they charge top dollar for what is a lesser product. this is the last year I will get a mini plan. I just don’t enjoy the ballpark like I used to.

  68. fantasygame101 June 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    last offseason, the Yankees were beaten by other teams on players bec. they are offering 2 yrs and not by the amount.

  69. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    With his swing, Stanton’s another A-Rod in the making. Immensely talented but a case of Buyer Beware.

  70. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    It has become more and more like the stuff at minor league parks.
    =====================
    You have to be lucky if you can sit in a section where there are no distractions.
    You just want to watch a game, let your mind wander, look at the scoreboard, keep up with the count, the score, the inning, the pitch count, out of town scores, the pitch speed, the men on base and all that and you don’t want some fidgety kid harassing his father about another ice cream or squirming in his seat.
    What’s worse is the incessant chit chat about what happened at the office yesterday or in their childhood 35 years ago.
    Everything but the ball game…

  71. Russell Munson June 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Stanton’s not going to cost peanuts until 2017. He’s arbitration eligible and figures to get paid a fairly good amount. He’ll be more cost-effective than he’d be if you signed him as a free agent but he’s not going to be that cheap.

  72. Russell Munson June 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Arbitration eligible after this season.

  73. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    this is the last year I will get a mini plan.
    =========================
    do you do this for the playoff tickets?

  74. mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    It seems like esp at night games, ppl come just to get their drunk on.
    It is a necessity and the game is a nice backdrop.
    Thank god there are less young kids at night games because of school the next day as they will be hearing and seeing things they shouldn’t be seeing, esp at a ballgame, our national pastime…

  75. Doc Iac June 4th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    can u believe Hamilton is hittin .216 in June?

  76. Mike Ri June 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    can u believe Hamilton is hittin .216 in June?

    ———-
    I can ! ….. he’s on my fantasy team ! ughhhh

  77. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    By the way, how damn inconsiderate of Tex to go and hit a Grand Slam last night and completely ruin our day. I was thoroughly enjoying the debate about his merits as a Yankee. Some feisty characters on this board. Sure helps the day at work pass. Keep it up.

  78. Chip June 4th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Chip — you might want to stick to your day job and give up the amateur psychology. Reading Hal Steinbrenner’s mind?? Seriously??

    You expected him to throw his deceased father under the figurative bus in reacting to the Mets’ sweep?

    As for Cashman. I suspect he’s like most every other GM… he has 100 % influence on the smaller decisions and less and less influence on the bigger ones. I doubt there’s an owner in the game who has given his GM authority to make $$$ 100 Million decisions.
    ————-

    No of course I don’t expect him to throw his father under the bus, but there are ways to laugh off the differences between himself and his father in a joke rather than by pretending his dad would have reacted any differently than the way every Yankee fan and reporter saw him act a million times before.

    As for Cashman, this isn’t a question of authority – how many other General Managers do you see out there taking the kinds of digs that Brian has taken at the Steinbrenners? The Soriano contract, Alex’s contract, some of the other moves that may have come from Randy Levine and not Brian’s office. Only one I remember is Theo over the Beckett deal.

  79. Chip June 4th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Chip,

    I agree. Good post. Does your $72M figure include the $10M or so in fringe benefits that are calculated in the cap number?
    —————

    Nope

  80. Patrick June 4th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    It’s not that hard to figure out why attendance is down. Just look at the lineups of this season compared to the past.

    Man I wish we still had a lineup like 2009:
    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Posada C
    Matsui DH
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

  81. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    mick June 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am
    this is the last year I will get a mini plan.
    =========================
    do you do this for the playoff tickets?

    Playoffs, opening day, save a little on the ticket price. This year one of the plans offered 4 day games and I love those, especially on weekdays. For the most part I love the ballpark but lately the entire atmosphere has changed so much. I haven’t sat next to or near to a real baseball fan in a while. Last game the guy to my right played with his laptop the entire game. The group of office workers behind me talked politics.

  82. Chip June 4th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    blake June 4th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “The Yankees don’t need one great player under contract. They need lots of really good ones.”

    This is kinda the cardinal formula….however the key is to actually developing those “good” players into good big leaguers. That takes a good system and some luck too.

    Developing this “young core” sounds great but it’s not as easy as it sounds…..if it was then teams like the Royals wouldn’t suck
    ————

    Correct, developing a young core isn’t easy. It’s not made any easier when you deal away your young players, draft poorly, limit your exposure overseas and have a minor league department that seems inept at developing high end pitching or separating the wheat from the chaffe in terms of talent evaluation.

  83. Chip June 4th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Patrick June 4th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    It’s not that hard to figure out why attendance is down. Just look at the lineups of this season compared to the past.

    Man I wish we still had a lineup like 2009:
    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Posada C
    Matsui DH
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF
    ———————-

    Yankees didn’t draw in the first two rounds of the playoffs last year either. My thought is that the product on the field isn’t the problem with getting butts in the seats.

  84. Patrick June 4th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Yankees didn’t draw in the first two rounds of the playoffs last year either. My thought is that the product on the field isn’t the problem with getting butts in the seats.

    That was what, a 5 game sample? Not conclusive, you have to compare bigger samples. 2013 regular season attendance is down from 2012 right? I think it’s the on-field product, it’s tough to get excited about the hitters we have. I have gone to one game this year and that’s only because it was Felix vs CC.

    Attendance will go up when Jeter, A-rod, etc get back and if the Yankees are in a playoff race. If Pineda comes back healthy he could be a nice draw every 5th day, I know I’d like to see him in person.

  85. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    The “Bronx Pitchers”.

    Has kind of a nice ring to it.

    Used to be the “Bombers”.

    :)

  86. DONNYBROOK June 4th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Overlooked due to the TEX GS, was Swisher’s decision to throw home in the 3rd inning, instead of getting the easier DP 2nd to 1st. That decision set the stage for TEX. The Cleveland chucker was forced to continue throwing strikes with the bases remaining loaded.
    Hal saying the Yankees have “earned” being supported by the fans is laughable. NO team has earned anything 2 months into a 6 month season. And based on Hal’s Printed word usage, (since I cannot judge his verbal tone), I sence frustration emanating from him. The attendance drop, (especially vs the Mets) is Loud warning bell. Also revealing is that Hal has NO idea what his GM is saying to the media. Further proof that Cashman’s voice is Not being heard or even listened to by the Yankee Hierarchy.

  87. Chip June 4th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Patrick June 4th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Yankees didn’t draw in the first two rounds of the playoffs last year either. My thought is that the product on the field isn’t the problem with getting butts in the seats.

    That was what, a 5 game sample? Not conclusive, you have to compare bigger samples. 2013 regular season attendance is down from 2012 right? I think it’s the on-field product, it’s tough to get excited about the hitters we have. I have gone to one game this year and that’s only because it was Felix vs CC.

    Attendance will go up when Jeter, A-rod, etc get back and if the Yankees are in a playoff race. If Pineda comes back healthy he could be a nice draw every 5th day, I know I’d like to see him in person.
    —————

    You might be right.

    I just think that there are so many other ways to spend entertainment dollars. Plus the Stadium really sucks.

    I’ve used this example before – my dad is a season ticket holder for the Giants. When they moved to the New Giants Stadium, he went to one game, hated the way his seats had moved, the way they made it harder to get in and out of the stadium, and went out the next Saturday, got a huge projector and screen and paid for it by selling a couple of game tickets. Now he watches every game comfortably, doesn’t have to deal with weather or traffic or obnoxious fans.

  88. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    The kinder, gentler Yankees.

    Pitching, D, and less bludgeoning.

    Have to admit. Some of the Monster Truck rollover the top days were fun to watch too.

    ;)

    P.S. I know. Pitching wins Championships.

  89. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    As for Cashman, this isn’t a question of authority – how many other General Managers do you see out there taking the kinds of digs that Brian has taken at the Steinbrenners?

    How many other general managers have the power that Brian Cashman has?

    How many other general managers swing it for their 14-year-old daughter to sing the National Anthem at Yankee Stadium.

    Cashman, it appears, can do no wrong.

  90. DONNYBROOK June 4th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    At the Winter Meetings, Cashman had to go ET and “phone home” concerning players that wanted better than $2 Mill per. The guy is Extremely close to impotent.

  91. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    bruceb —

    Cashman has publicly stated his opposition to two contracts. He also made it clear when he did so that he had permission to since pretending otherwise would brand him as a liar.

    That’s it. The anthem comment is inane.

    Donnybrook — You have no idea what Cashman had freedom to do or not. Making baseless statements doesn’t make them factual.

  92. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Posada C
    Matsui DH
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

    I’d take that lineup today…even with the three retired players. What a 7-9 that is…even with Melky in his infancy.

  93. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    That 7-9 is awesome — the 1-6 is five automatic outs plus Tex at this point in time.

  94. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “On the challenges of meeting the sub-$189 million payroll goal for next season: “Again, tell me how the young players are going to continue to develop. Tell me how Pineda is going to do. It’s too early to speculate.”
    =======================================================
    i’ve been wary of the budget limit, but i’ve also been cool with them keeping it within sight as long as they are willing to delay or ditch the plan if it threatens competetiveness.

    hal’s been saying all along that that is exactly the plan, im not sure i believe him, but so far he seems to be shooting us straight.

    if attendance continues to lag this season, they may ditch the plan just to pump up revenues.

    we’ll see…

  95. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    evan roberts just put up tex’s #’s in texas compared to his time in ny.

    after this season, these #’s will be almost identical.

  96. Patrick June 4th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    That 7-9 is awesome — the 1-6 is five automatic outs plus Tex at this point in time.

    What a difference 4 years makes ..

    Every player in that lineup had double digit HR, every player but one had an OPS+ over 100, 7/9 had OPS+ over 120

  97. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    “Again, tell me how the young players are going to continue to develop…”

    You can’t know until they have played about a full season of MLB, any baseball person can tell him that.

    If you want to rely on young players, and they should, it’s a process that requires time and patience.

  98. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    New Model based on Pitching and D.

    Much less Bronx Bomber.

    A lot more Bronx Pitcher.

    A balance needs to be found.

    Not having sufficient O won’t work either.

    Do we have enough considering the strength of our Staff ?

    The 64 thousand dollar question.

    ;)

  99. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    The Yankees would be better positioned to trade for Stanton if their prospects were actually playing well.

  100. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Anyway you slice it, that was an impressive win last night.
    Masterson is a very, very good pitcher and the Yankees touched him up and drew a lot of walks.

    Appeared to me that Andy simply ran out of gas last night in the 5th. I think the double that glanced off Adams glove was a very tough play. I noticed he tends to play ground balls off
    to the side. Not sure if that is due to inexperience or not.

    Very nice to see Tex hit the line drive just over the wall in RF.
    Very nice to see Gardner getting that clutch 2 run single up the middle.

  101. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    evan roberts just put up tex’s #’s in texas compared to his time in ny.

    after this season, these #’s will be almost identical.

    .283 .368 .533 .901 Texas

    .262 .357 .505 .862 NY

  102. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Tex if you take out 2009
    .251 .347 .483 .830

  103. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Here’s another way to look at the payroll issue:

    The Yanks have committed $ 81 M to five guys — A-rod, Tex, CC, Wells and Ichiro. Additionally Jeter gets either $ 3 M or $ 8 M so let’s assume he takes the $ 8 M. That makes it $ 89 M for six guys, leaving $ 100 M for everyone else.

    The last five guys on the MLB roster and the other 15 on the 40-man will probably average just over minimum, so let’s count that at $ 600 K per person or $ 12 M. Add another $ 11 M for benefits and you are up to $ 112 M.

    That means the Yanks need to add 14 players and have $ 79 M to spend on them in order to be under the luxury tax and reap all the benefits that go with that. If Cano gets $ 23 M there’s still $ 56 M for 13 guys which is $ 4.3 M per person. Not a huge amount of money, but enough to put together a credible roster.

    That could be something like three more players @ $ 12 M, five @ $ 3 M and five @ $ 1 M.

    Would be much easier if A-rod would join a Monastery.

  104. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    “Very nice to see Gardner getting that clutch 2 run single up the middle.”

    He may be the most underappreciated Yankee.

  105. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    OK. So does Mr. Phelps get back on the beam tonight ?

    He really needs to.

    His position is far from secure.

  106. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    86-

    The last place on Earth A-Rod would wind up at is a Monastery.

    More likely the Playboy Mansion.

    ;)

  107. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    The Yanks have committed $ 81 M to five guys — A-rod, Tex, CC, Wells and Ichiro. Additionally Jeter gets either $ 3 M or $ 8 M so let’s assume he takes the $ 8 M. That makes it $ 89 M for six guys, leaving $ 100 M for everyone else.

    Come on 86, you should know better by now! Jeter is worth 9 million if he opts out to the payroll for luxury tax and 15.5 if he opts in. Plus the 11 mil for player benefits.

  108. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Did anybody hear Tex’s postgame comments on ESPN last night? Even Tex admitted he has to knock off the rust. Kind of refreshing for him to admit that. I would be foolish for him or the fans to think that Tex is in mid-season form.
    I’m not sure how many games or weeks it will take for Tex to knock off all the rust.

    Tonight is another test against a lefty starter for Cleveland.

  109. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Speaking of the payroll, why didn’t some media person ask Hal about the advisability of Ichiro’s contract given his budgetary goals?

  110. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    I’ve never been 100 percent sure on how the player options/buyouts are calculated.

    For tax purposes is Jeter’s deal based on three years ($ 51 M) or four ($ 56 M) ???

    However, I DO have the benefits in my calculations.

  111. pat June 4th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    NY Post ran a Page Six item last night about Alex’s reaction to Cashman’s comments- (he was hurt it was voiced publicly) and they had quotes from Yankee sources in NY and Tampa as well as an anonymous agent who questioned whether Cashman would have better served the franchise by not saying what he did because rehab is hard enough without adding negatives into the equation.

    The link to the item now says “We’re sorry, the page you are looking for cannot be found or does not exist”. Is controlling content a benefit of being YES partners with the NY Post owner?

  112. G. Love June 4th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    If we get a HR from Tex in a win, it’s a good day. You have to win the games he HR’s from the left side in.

    If he and Hafner can get into a groove it would huge for this club.

    Beating Masterson is a huge bounceback for us. The Indians are a good club, but it feels like the Yankees have their number.

    One thing I noticed last night was I thought Joba looked really heavy weight wise. He’s got more velocity though and his fastball looks more explosive. He was also flirting with the beard/facial hair rule as much as any player has in awhile. I wonder if he’s as much done with the Yankees as they secretly may be done with him…

    Our bullpen is pretty sensational though and they honestly aren’t giving off that feeling of being overworked yet which is nice.

  113. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Great catch, pat.

  114. BD (Boston Dave) June 4th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    “Cashman wanted nothing to do with A-Rod, and ownership should have listened to their GM.”

    ———–

    Do they win the 2009 World Series without ARod? No way of knowing for sure but I don’t think they do.

    Obviously, his contract is so much bigger than one season… but if they Yankees were in a 13 year World Series Championship drought right now, Yankee Universe would be pretty pissed off right now.

  115. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    I’ve never been 100 percent sure on how the player options/buyouts are calculated.

    For tax purposes is Jeter’s deal based on three years ($ 51 M) or four ($ 56 M) ???

    Jeter’s deal is 4 years and the option buyout+uncredit tax is applied if he opts out. Which is 3+6 million in missed uncredited tax burden. So if he opts out he counts as 9 million for 2014. If he opts in, he counts as the AAV he has been counting as 14 along with his silver slugger bonus of 1.5 million for a total of 15.5

  116. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    AWWW —-

    Alex is hurt that the Yanks are disappointed that he’s given them 34 HR and 119 RBI over the last three seasons and they’ve given him about $ 90 MILLION dollars for that performance.

    Get over it

  117. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    G. Love June 4th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    One thing I noticed last night was I thought Joba looked really heavy weight wise. He’s got more velocity though and his fastball looks more explosive. He was also flirting with the beard/facial hair rule as much as any player has in awhile. I wonder if he’s as much done with the Yankees as they secretly may be done with him…
    —————————————————————————————————————
    I also noticed Joba appeared to be looking heavy last night. The footage of him leaving the mound after striking out Santana was where I noticed the most.
    I did not notice anything about his facial hair. IMO, Andy Pettitte flirts with that rule more than anybody on the team. Then again he’s Andy and might get a pass based on his accomplishments.

  118. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    G. Love-

    Kelley seems like a sensational pickup especially since all he cost us was Abe Almonte.

    Claiborne seems like a winner too.

    All the more reason Joba is expendable.

    Pat M. said they were actively shopping him. But the return has been insufficent.

    If he keeps pitching well that might change.

    We haven’t even tapped Montgomery yet.

  119. BD (Boston Dave) June 4th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Is Alex also hurt that he got caught using PEDs and is still being caught up in allegations of continued use?

  120. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    It’s not true that Casman wanted nothing to do with A-Rod. After all, it was probably his best trade.

    I think it’s reasonable to believe that he wanted A-Rod at the then current contract price, iow, with the subsidy.

    We don’t know that A-Rod would have gotten better offers, or that he wouldn’t have agreed to a new contract that was equivalent to the one he opted-out of.

    What we do know that by agreeing to that crazy contract, Hal isn’t the business he wants people to think he is.

    We also don’t know that if they didn’t re-sign A-Rod, that the money wouldn’t have been used on several good players who might have helped them win multiple WS.

  121. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Thanx Jerkface —-

    Guess I better re-calculate some things. It’s $ 96.5 for six guys plus $ 12 M for the bottom half of the 40-man roster + $ 11 M for benefits.

    If they are to be at $ 189 that leaves roughly $ 70 Million for 14 guys. Cano and Kuroda might be had for close to $ 35 M (maybe not) which would leave 12 guys @ $ 3 M or so.

    $ 189 M without Cano, not too hard. With him, very difficult.

  122. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    “Is Alex also hurt that he got caught using PEDs and is still being caught up in allegations of continued use?”

    By getting caught, you mean by having his 4th Amendment right violated when a list that was sealed under court order was illegally released?

  123. pat June 4th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    “Cashman wanted nothing to do with A-Rod, and ownership should have listened to their GM.”

    That is said often but is it true? Cashman wanted to negotiate an extension prior to the opt out so he wanted the player. He just wanted Texas’ $21M too.

  124. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    AWWW —-

    Alex is hurt that the Yanks are disappointed that he’s given them 34 HR and 119 RBI over the last three seasons and they’ve given him about $ 90 MILLION dollars for that performance.

    Get over it
    —————————————————————————————————-
    While watching Baseball tonight on ESPN last night, the topic of Hal’s comments was discussed.
    The baseball tonight crew thought that maybe Hal was “getting out in front” of something that was coming down the line regarding ARod and a possible suspension.
    Not sure if that is true or not.
    Big Mouth Curt Schilling added his 2 cents. He said he doesn’t think for a minute ARod will get on the field in 2013. His reason is the Yankees will do everything in their power to keep him off the field. Not sure what Schilling is talking about there, but the guy is a Red Sox and dislikes ARod with a passion. So his opinion might be slightly biased.

  125. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Pettitte and Clemens before him have the same facial hair policy.

    They shave the day after they pitch and not again until they pitch again. Thus the 10 O’clock shadow they show us every five days.

  126. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    btw, The issue pat referenced wasn’t about A-Rod’s feelings, it was about power.

  127. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    It may well be that if Alex misses the entire season the Yanks will get some insurance $$$.

    Schilling just opens his mouth to change feet.

  128. BD (Boston Dave) June 4th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    “By getting caught, you mean by having his 4th Amendment right violated when a list that was sealed under court order was illegally released?”

    ——–

    yes – I agree that it was complete bs. I even think it was an illegal witch hunt on Barry Bonds and he got the shaft.

    but the fact is he used them and continues to be tied to allegations of using. I’m not calling for him to be punished, but he shouldn’t get upset if people are disappointed in his performance. That’s the nature of the beast – especially given his circumstances.

    (I also think the Yankees FO should talk less about that stuff and keep it in house – unless they’re intentionally doing it but even then I doubt the effectiveness of that plan.)

  129. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Very good catch indeed, Pat. Wonder why they “killed” the story?

    A-Rod: I’ll prove you wrong
    New York Post ?- 11 hours ago
    Despite derogatory comments by Yankees General Manager Brian Cashman, Alex Rodriguez plans to make a swinging comeback to the team …

  130. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 11:42 am
    The Yankees would be better positioned to trade for Stanton if their prospects were actually playing well.

    Jose Ramirez
    Rafael De Paula
    Gary Sanchez
    J.R. Murphy
    Rob Refsnyder

    Those guys are playing well or very well, of course they are all A/AA.

    The Yanks have some good prospects they just aren’t “near major league ready”.

  131. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    teixiera with texas (4 2/3 seasons): 151 hr, 499 rbi,
    teixeira with NYY (4 seasons): 135 hr, 425 rbi

  132. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    Very good catch indeed, Pat. Wonder why they “killed” the story?

    A-Rod: I’ll prove you wrong
    New York Post ?- 11 hours ago
    Despite derogatory comments by Yankees General Manager Brian Cashman, Alex Rodriguez plans to make a swinging comeback to the team …
    ———————————————————————————————-
    I am an ARod fan. I don’t have a problem with the comments Hal made and I don’t have a problem if Alex had a problem with the comments or the words hurt his feelings.
    He’s human.
    That being said, I don’t have a problem that ARod has a reaction to the comments made
    by Hal.
    To me this story is a non-story!

  133. yankeefeminista June 4th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Joba does look heavier. He was in prime shape last year when I saw him up close at his Trenton rehab game.

    Still think Alex will can contribute esp. vs. LHP if he is given the chance.

    De Paula, O’Brien, Enns make Sally AS team.

  134. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    “but the fact is he used them and continues to be tied to allegations of using. I’m not calling for him to be punished, but he shouldn’t get upset if people are disappointed in his performance. That’s the nature of the beast – especially given his circumstances.”

    Well, he’s human, so like most of us, he’s going to have some emotions that are unsupportable by the facts.

    But again, pat’s post was really about the ability of some to have stories they don’t like scrubbed.

    “(I also think the Yankees FO should talk less about that stuff and keep it in house – unless they’re intentionally doing it but even then I doubt the effectiveness of that plan.)”

    I think it’s intentional. They are sending the message that receipt of the remaining contract won’t be without other costs, unless of course, he magically returns to being a superstar, in which case, they will embrace warmly.

  135. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    teixiera with texas (4 2/3 seasons): 151 hr, 499 rbi,
    teixeira with NYY (4 seasons): 135 hr, 425 rbi
    _

    That doesn’t get you $23m a year for 8 years.

    A .900 OPS will.

    That has left the building.

  136. BD (Boston Dave) June 4th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    “I think it’s intentional. They are sending the message that receipt of the remaining contract won’t be without other costs,”

    ————

    do they actually think Alex would forfeit the contract or forfeit some money to facilitate a trade?

    I agree with Warning Track Power that this is mostly a non-story…. but vilifying Alex in the media does not help the Yankees.

  137. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    G. Love June 4th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    One thing I noticed last night was I thought Joba looked really heavy weight wise. He’s got more velocity though and his fastball looks more explosive. He was also flirting with the beard/facial hair rule as much as any player has in awhile. I wonder if he’s as much done with the Yankees as they secretly may be done with him…
    —————————————————————————————————————
    I also noticed Joba appeared to be looking heavy last night. The footage of him leaving the mound after striking out Santana was where I noticed the most.
    I did not notice anything about his facial hair. IMO, Andy Pettitte flirts with that rule more than anybody on the team. Then again he’s Andy and might get a pass based on his accomplishments.

    Joba thinks he has the same status as the veterans and hall of famers on the team.

  138. pat June 4th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    I don’t have a problem with the comments Hal made and I don’t have a problem if Alex had a problem with the comments or the words hurt his feelings. He’s human. That being said, I don’t have a problem that ARod has a reaction to the comments made by Hal.

    Only thing I have a problem with is IF the Yankees are trying to control content being published.

  139. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    “I agree with Warning Track Power that this is mostly a non-story…. but vilifying Alex in the media does not help the Yankees.”

    I think that’s right, it doesn’t help the Yankees, but the story is the scrubbing, not the the underlying facts.

  140. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Some of you guys are softer than Charmin.

    How on earth does acknowledging that pedestrian performance for epic wages is “disappointing” constitute vilifying someone??

  141. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Regarding Joba, he did have a nice appearance last night. I was hoping that he would throw a fastball on the 2-2 pitch to Santana. Just blow the guy away & Joba did exactly that.
    Very nice performance. Unfortunately I’m not very confident he can repeat that performance in
    his next appearance.

  142. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    “Joba thinks he has the same status as the veterans and hall of famers on the team.”

    If he thinks that he’s in for a rude awakening come the TD, or the OS.

    ;)

  143. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Besides NY and Boston do other teams management and front office air their laundry? I always seems the soap opera is coming from one of those cities. I’m not going to put it on the writers, because, face it, they only write what they are provided.
    I recall pre season when 88 Yogi Berra expressed his opinion that Nunez should at least be given a shot at SS. The guy is 88 and Cashman wants to get into a peeing contest and let everyone know that “Nunez isn’t exactly an offensive juggernaut.”
    That may be very well true but is that the kind of thing the average GM just puts out there? Why bash a player like that especially a guy like Nunez.? Has he ever complained about being played all over the field, or whined about playing time or being shuttled so much between SWB he could get to either place blindfolded?
    That’s a big problem I have with the Yankees. The front office guys seem to do more interviews then the average team.

  144. 86w183 June 4th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    gotta go…. seeya tomorrow

  145. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Yankee brass can criticize their players all they want.

    As long as it’s behind closed doors.

    Calling people out in public is classless IMO.

    I always hated that about guys like the Madman, Ozzie Guillen.

    Too bad he didn’t get a hundred for every player he threw under the bus.

    Booby V was similar. You see where that got him.

    There is no need for public embarrasment.

  146. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    I’m out too. Catch you all later.

    Have a great day.

  147. blake June 4th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Patrick says:
    June 4, 2013 at 11:35 am
    That 7-9 is awesome — the 1-6 is five automatic outs plus Tex at this point in time.

    Jeter might could outhit their current SSs with no legs and one arm tied behind his back

  148. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    As for the Florida clinic how much of that information was actually substantiated? Wasn’t it provided by a clinic employee that was paid under the table by MLB? It appears that that probe has hit a dead end because much of the info is now suspect.
    I’ve always believed it began as a witch hunt to nail Braun after he beat that suspension on a technicality.

  149. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    RAB:

    Via Dan Martin & Brian Lewis: Right-hander Michael Pineda will begin an official 30-day minor league rehab assignment with High-A Tampa on Saturday. He came through yesterday’s 65-pitch Extended Spring Training outing just fine after cracking a fingernail last week. There have been no issues with his surgically repaired shoulder.

  150. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    MTU-
    I see where you are going with that, but Hal was asked a question by a member of the media and I think his answer was fair.
    To me this is a non-story, unless you live in NYC, Bristol, CT or lurk here on this blog.

    What is the big deal? I understand why Hal feels the way he does and I think ARod would be the first to admit that he has given the Yankees reasons to feel the way they do.

    Bottom Line: Cashman and the team gave ARod that contract. On the day he signed any baseball expert would have said there was not chance ARod would live up to the contract and all of them were correct.
    IMO, winning 1 WS is a nice start and I want the team to win more over the life of Arod’s contract.

  151. blake June 4th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    June 4, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    teixiera with texas (4 2/3 seasons): 151 hr, 499 rbi,
    teixeira with NYY (4 seasons): 135 hr, 425 rbi

    Power is similar….it’s just that he lost the rest of his hitting ability from the left side which he used to have when he was younger and could overcome all the flaws in his swing

  152. MTU June 4th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    WTP-

    He could have just left off the first part of his answer and communicated the to A-rod in private.

    But you’re right. That would not be considered an egregious example.

    Heading out.

  153. RadioKev June 4th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Power is similar….it’s just that he lost the rest of his hitting ability from the left side which he used to have when he was younger and could overcome all the flaws in his swing
    ————–

    That, and I don’t know if he was consistently shifted on in Texas.

  154. champ809 June 4th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Warning track power

    Regarding Joba, he’s been lights out his last 10 appearances actually. the fastball is coming out nice and easy 95-99 and the slider has that ‘ol bite back. He’s pitching with some of his old swagger which is what he needs to do.

  155. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Joba thinks he has the same status as the veterans and hall of famers on the team.

    I recall, quite some years back when Mike Mussina commented on Joba and to a lesser extent Hughes, blaring their music in the clubhouse. He mentioned how that was a veteran’s priority. Mussina was also asked about the rep he had for not helping young pitchers. Moose commented that he was always glad to help any young pitcher who asked for help. He never offered. He ended the conversation by saying that none of the young guys had asked, and apparently they already knew how to pitch. I’d like to find that article again.

  156. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Chip June 4th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    —————————–

    Preach Chip preach

  157. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    I thought what Hal said was pretty tame.

  158. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Power is similar….it’s just that he lost the rest of his hitting ability from the left side which he used to have when he was younger and could overcome all the flaws in his swing
    ————–

    That, and I don’t know if he was consistently shifted on in Texas.
    __

    His FB% has gone up except for last season (high 30s to mid 40s).

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....battedball

    Shift, more uppercut, bat speed decline, all of the above? IDK.

  159. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    That doesn’t get you $23m a year for 8 years.

    A .900 OPS will.

    That has left the building.

    ——————–

    Cano needs to step the eff up … I dunno if he’s getting pitched around or what, but so far he’s not exactly posting career numbers which is sort of what you’d like to see in a walk year.

  160. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Only thing I have a problem with is IF the Yankees are trying to control content being published.

    —————————-

    pat – Great observation.

  161. Chip June 4th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    AAO -

    The man infuriates me because of how disengaged he actually is while pretending to be anything but.

    It goes back to his notion that you can win a championship with a sub $200m payroll. The theory is correct…however when you have $120 mil tied up in 6 guys I find that idea to be highly flawed.

  162. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    777-Please find that article. Would be interesting to read.

    Champ-I prefer to count his last 2 appearances. Remember, Joba did not pitch from
    April 27 to May 30

  163. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Tex was shifted on before he came to the Yankees. But less teams shifted in general 10 years ago. He was also shifted on in 09.

  164. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    @craigcalcaterra

    Over 400K people voting for B.J. Upton for the ASG is WAY worse than 380K voting for Jeter. At least Jeter would be good if he could play.

    LOL!!!!

  165. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    If Cano starts the ASG (over the 2013 Pedroia, for instance)
    then the voting should be taken out of the fans’ hands and given over to Bill James

  166. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Shame, they won’t pitch around Cano until he starts laying off some of the junk they throw him. Prime example was those pitches he swung at when Gardner was on third with two outs last night.

    Robby seems to go through periods of plate indiscipline, probably because when he’s “on,” he can hit anything anywhere.

  167. Chip June 4th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Tex was shifted on before he came to the Yankees. But less teams shifted in general 10 years ago. He was also shifted on in 09.
    —————-

    I think it was primarily Joe Maddon who brought the overshift into prominence. It’s a copy cat league so after Tampa Bay got to the WS everyone started doing it.

  168. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    bruce – The thing with Cano is he swings at a lot of pitches out of the zone.. and hits them. So you don’t want to hamper what makes him successful but yes, generally speaking, he is going to need to learn a little more plate discipline as he ages to combat some of the natural abilities that will be impacted by deteriorating skills.

  169. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    this whole season, Cano has been swinging at an imaginary pinata that only he can see

  170. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    I think it was primarily Joe Maddon who brought the overshift into prominence. It’s a copy cat league so after Tampa Bay got to the WS everyone started doing it.

    Well the overshift existed for 60 years. Giambi got overshifted on. I do think teams like the Rays employing it and sabermetrics and the focus on quantifying defense brought it more into prominence. Though I think that meant more teams shifting on MORE than just the dead pull guys.

  171. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Like there is no way a team would shift on Cano 10 years ago. Now it makes sense for teams to do it and some are.

  172. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    I would like to see some research (spray charts, batted ball data) on if/how much the shift has impacted Cano’s approach over the years, and if it has had any role in his steep decline v. LHP, and then have the beat writers ask Cashman/Hal about it, with follow ups.

  173. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Sox sort of have a tough week ahead. Playing at home but against the Rangers and Angels (who are due for some wins).

    We can climb back on top if we win the games we should. I figure with 6 games left this week we should win 4 of them.

  174. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Should we start placing friendly LoHud bets on when we think Cano’s contract situation will be resolved..?

  175. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
    If Cano starts the ASG (over the 2013 Pedroia, for instance)
    then the voting should be taken out of the fans’ hands and given over to Bill James

    It’s not really a big difference.

    wRC+

    Pedroia 133
    Cano 129
    Lowrie 137
    Kinsler 132

    WAR

    Pedroia 2.4
    Cano 1.8
    Lowrie 1.4
    Kinsler 1.1

    Most of the WAR difference comes from defensive component, which I’m not sure is entirely accurate since Cano is -0.4.

    Cano has 14 HR which is going to help him. Pedroia has 3.

  176. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Next 5 games opposing pitcher ERA

    Kazmir 5.13
    Kluber 4.36

    Harang 5.82
    Bonderman 13.50
    Saunders 5.20

    (then Phelps vs Felix…)

    It’s time to make some hay.

  177. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    It’s time to make some hay.

    ———————

    Yes.

    The M’s starters shouldn’t beat us outside of Felix but that didn’t work out to well for us the last time we saw them. I don’t want to split that set, we really should win 3 of 4.

  178. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    I’d like to win 4 of the next 5.

    3 of 5 would be barely acceptable given the starting pitching.

  179. gallagwar June 4th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    “If Cano starts the ASG (over the 2013 Pedroia, for instance)
    then the voting should be taken out of the fans’ hands and given over to Bill James”

    Pretty absurd statement. I personally think it’s a coin flip but understand if some (or most) would take Pedroia at this point. But they’re not so far apart to be the straw that breaks the back of the fan balloting camel. Just absurd.

  180. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    Next 5 games opposing pitcher ERA

    Kazmir 5.13
    Kluber 4.36

    Harang 5.82
    Bonderman 13.50
    Saunders 5.20

    (then Phelps vs Felix…)

    It’s time to make some hay.
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Thanks for the info. I seem to always look ahead to see who is pitching in the next series.
    4 games in Seattle should be a good way to get some Wins and take a series on the road.

  181. Hassey June 4th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    NY Post is reporting that Joba got an incredible new black tattoo of a full moustache and beard so he couldn’t be accused of breaking Yankee rules

  182. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Buster Olney says the Giants may be looking to send Lincecum to the bullpen and add a starting pitcher.

    Do they have anything we could use for Hughes?

    I really don’t expect Hughes to be traded, this is mostly just mental exercise.

  183. mick June 4th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Tex had a nice line drive swing on that granny last night.

  184. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Mick-
    Was it me or did Tex appear to be way out front of that pitch? I think it was a fastball.
    Masterson throws around 94 and Tex was way out in front courtesy of the Yes slo-mo.
    I wonder if Tex is still working on his timing?
    Usually when a hitter is that much out in front, the pitcher threw a change-up, not a heater.

    Just an observation. Not a complaint at all.

  185. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Do they have anything we could use for Hughes?

    One of their top prospects is an outfielder who is having a crappy year in the PCL. Might be his stock would be low enough to nab for a Hughes. Gary brown.

    They also have a SS/2B Joe Panik that may be worth something.

  186. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    “They also have a SS/2B Joe Panik that may be worth something.”
    ========================================
    its too early to be making panik moves…

  187. bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    I seem to recall someone on this blog singing the praises of Domonic Brown a year or two ago and me thinking to myself, why? I guess I know why now.

  188. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Several of us wanted Brown.

  189. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    its too early to be making panik moves…

    :x

  190. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    could be that montero will take the long to develop into a big hitter, too.

    but to do it, he’ll need a position to play in the majors.

  191. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Hal would be well-served to read about the time it took for Brown to reach his potential, and then think about that when/if some of young players struggle for multiple seasons. Because the payoff for patience can be huge.

  192. Against All Odds June 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Chip June 4th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    AAO -

    The man infuriates me because of how disengaged he actually is while pretending to be anything but.

    It goes back to his notion that you can win a championship with a sub $200m payroll. The theory is correct…however when you have $120 mil tied up in 6 guys I find that idea to be highly flawed.

    ———————–

    He doesn’t quite understand your last point. It’s easier said then done and hopefully as time goes on the outlook will be adjusted.

  193. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Well the overshift existed for 60 years.

    Pretty good estimate. My first recollection was that Lou Boudreau employed it against Ted Williams when Boudreau was player manger at Cleveland. First time I ever saw it in a game was at Fenway. Al Lopez manager of the White Sox again using it for Williams.

  194. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    777-Please find that article. Would be interesting to read

    I’ll get the correct string of words in a google search and I’ll put up the link.

  195. austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I am rather surprised how bad Heyward has been. Last I checked, he was hitting about .150. He looked like a future superstar when he came up. This is a tough game. If you have weakness, they will find it and exploit it.

    He is a guy I would have give a lot to get.

    It is amazing the Braves are winning with Heyward and BJ Upton being among the worst hitters in the game.

  196. Warning Track Power June 4th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    bruceb June 4th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
    I seem to recall someone on this blog singing the praises of Domonic Brown a year or two ago and me thinking to myself, why? I guess I know why now.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    Recently, ESPN broke down his swing with an emphasis on how his swing changed from about 2 years ago.
    His swing today resembles nothing like his swing from 2 years ago. The video footage was all the proof anybody would need to see the kid made a major adjustment.

  197. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Interesting information on the origins and evolution of the Infield Shift.
    Only cover to about 1970.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infield_shift

  198. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Yeah, development is in large part about making adjustments.

  199. Russell Munson June 4th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    “Because the payoff for patience can be huge.”

    Maybe, but most of the time you wind up with Reid Brignac.

  200. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    Hal would be well-served to read about the time it took for Brown to reach his potential, and then think about that when/if some of young players struggle for multiple seasons. Because the payoff for patience can be huge.

    I really have got to take my hat off to Philly on that one. Amazing patience. And with their budget they had other options.

  201. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    domonic brown minor league ab’s: 1989, majors: 639
    jesus montero: minor league ab’s: 1880, majors: 677
    brown is 2+ years older though

  202. Russell Munson June 4th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Brown’s also walked 11 times in over 200 at bats. I wonder if pitchers will start exploiting that lack of patience.

  203. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    “Maybe, but most of the time you wind up with Reid Brignac.”

    What’s the alternative in a world where they can’t spend as much on draft picks with signability issues, restrictions on IFA spending, revenue sharing increasing small revenue teams’ ability to keep their best young players longer, and perhaps a shrinking Yankee payroll?

  204. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    a little taste of the preseason press regarding domonic brown:

    “Domonic Brown: Former top prospect who has struggled to live up to the hype early in his career. ”
    dustin hockensmith-Pennlive

    “The organization had lost so much faith in the kid that they signed a bizzaro version of Brown’s worse case scenario in Delmon Young, and tapped Darin Ruf, who had played a total of 39 games in the OF at no higher than AA to compete with him this season coming into the spring. ”
    joecatz-sb nation

    and some predictions:

    2012: MLB (56 games) 235/316/396 5 HR 26 RBI 0 SB

    2012: AAA (60 games) 286/335/432 5 HR 28 RBI 4 SB

    Bill James: (148 games): 274/347/445 17 HR 77 RBI 12 SB

    Steamer: (102 games): 265/336/432 12 HR 47 RBI 4 SB

    Oliver: (482 PA): .262/.332/.427 14 HR 58 RBI 9 SB

    Zips: (128 Games): .265/.335/.461 18 HR 60 RBI 12 SBe

    “2012: MLB (56 games) 235/316/396 5 HR 26 RBI 0 SB

    2012: AAA (60 games) 286/335/432 5 HR 28 RBI 4 SB

    Bill James: (148 games): 274/347/445 17 HR 77 RBI 12 SB

    Steamer: (102 games): 265/336/432 12 HR 47 RBI 4 SB

    Oliver: (482 PA): .262/.332/.427 14 HR 58 RBI 9 SB

    Zips: (128 Games): .265/.335/.461 18 HR 60 RBI 12 SB

  205. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    In the article on the infield shift that I posted, I found it interesting that Lou Boudreau sid he thought putting on the shift against Williams was more a “psychological” victory then a “tactical” one. :)

    Also that Stretch McCovey once bunted down the 3rd base line against the shift and Willie Mays scored all the way from 1st base. Darn that Mays!

  206. Wave Your Hat June 4th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    “What’s the alternative in a world where they can’t spend as much on draft picks with signability issues, restrictions on IFA spending, revenue sharing increasing small revenue teams’ ability to keep their best young players longer, and perhaps a shrinking Yankee payroll?”

    Draft better. See Cardinals, St. Louis.

  207. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Most of those predictions would lead our OF at the moment. He has a lot of talent and the Phils basically jerked him around/messed with him. S’why I wanted to trade for him the past 2 seasons.

  208. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Russell Munson June 4th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
    Brown’s also walked 11 times in over 200 at bats. I wonder if pitchers will start exploiting that lack of patience.

    That’s a very good point.

  209. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    who was that 2nd base prospect the yankees brought up a while back who wouldnt walk and the league was gonna start to exploit that?

    something robinson or robinson something…

  210. Russell Munson June 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “What’s the alternative in a world where they can’t spend as much on draft picks with signability issues, restrictions on IFA spending, revenue sharing increasing small revenue teams’ ability to keep their best young players longer, and perhaps a shrinking Yankee payroll?”

    I wish I knew. With all the restrictions on acquiring amateur talent now in place, the only way for the Yankees to use their financial advantage is on payroll the big league level, on getting the best front office people around, on coaches and development in the minors, or on hiring the best scouts.

    Since Hal insists on cutting payroll, and the front office is apparently a lifetime appointment, that leaves two avenues. Hopefully they explore them.

    I am not disagreeing that you need some patience with young players. But there’s a risk that they never develop. I don’t think anyone can deny that the Yankees have been extremely patient with Phil Hughes. And he’s heading into free agency and I’d question whether he’s ever really rewarded that patience.

  211. jacksquat June 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    JF, I was looking at Joe Panik. Seems like sort of a Flores type hitter, except at SS. The OF you mentioned might be a bit of a reach.

  212. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Jackie Robinson!

  213. mick June 4th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Was Cano highly touted?
    I remember when he came up Mad Dog Russo said “who is this guy Canoe they just brought up,” mocking the Yankees.

  214. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    “Draft better. See Cardinals, St. Louis.”

    I doubt that you would leave development out of what makes them successful and that includes spotting flaws that lead to corrective adjustments and devising and teaching those adjustments.

  215. mick June 4th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Tex is saying he’s going to get a few days off here and there.
    This mandated keeping Overbay.
    Must have never been in question…

  216. Wave Your Hat June 4th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    “I doubt that you would leave development out of what makes them successful and that includes spotting flaws that lead to corrective adjustments and devising and teaching those adjustments.”

    No, but it starts with drafting better.

  217. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “I don’t think anyone can deny that the Yankees have been extremely patient with Phil Hughes.”

    Is he the exception that disproves the rule though? I don’t think so.

    Part of the problem with Hughes, however, is that they didn’t leave him as a starter during the entire development process.

  218. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    “No, but it starts with drafting better.”

    Do you want Oppenheimer to be replaced?

  219. NYYanksFan June 4th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    I would have asked Hal if he was disappointed in any other players or just A-Rod.

  220. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    actually no cano was not highly touted but when he did come up there was alot of talk about him not walking enough.

    cano walked only 16 times his rookie year (551 ab’s)

  221. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Cano was not highly touted. Brown actually has more plate discipline than he has shown. I’m not willing to question him on not walking when he hits double digit HRs in a month and is close to the major league lead in them

  222. Russell Munson June 4th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    “who was that 2nd base prospect the yankees brought up a while back who wouldnt walk and the league was gonna start to exploit that?”

    Alfonso Soriano!

    Sure, sometimes these types of players can continue to get by with less than stellar strike zone judgement.

  223. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    https://twitter.com/AmberSabathia/status/341960383524921347/photo/1

    Tough life. Ha.
    —————-

    I like how Tex said he went and told Joe he will play anywhere the team needs him but catcher.

  224. mick June 4th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    actually no cano was not highly touted but when he did come up there was alot of talk about him not walking enough.
    ================
    I have to look at Cano’s minor league #’s but even Jeter didn’t seem to get the press our present minor league guys get.

    It’s all hit and miss and sometimes an unheralded prospect becomes a star.

  225. Wave Your Hat June 4th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    “Do you want Oppenheimer to be replaced?”

    I just want them to draft better. How that happens I don’t know.

  226. Ys Guy June 4th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    i thought i remembered something like this so i looked it up.

    cano did not walk once in his first 50 major league at-bats.

  227. theREALkevin June 4th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    “Brown’s also walked 11 times in over 200 at bats. I wonder if pitchers will start exploiting that lack of patience.”

    There was an article on ESPN that was pointing out that Brown’s resurgence has pretty much coincided with him actually being less patient. It’s possible he was being too passive earlier in his career. I was firmly in the camp for trading for him but I really haven’t seen a ton of him… he might be a hitter that simply benefits from a more aggressive approach. His plate coverage could also be better than average, i.e. getting to pitches outside the zone that others can’t get to.

    Of course, you also want to be smart and swing at your pitches. So there’s a balance. The article also mentioned that like 43% of his fly balls have been home runs, that’s obviously way unsustainable…. But so is any home run barrage like this pretty much. He’s also pulled every one of his HR’s. It does look like he’s figured something out, but we’ll see

  228. UnKnown June 4th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    One guy I never would’ve thought about turning into the type of hitter he is right now is Chris Davis. Surprise of the league for me personally.

  229. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    I have to look at Cano’s minor league #’s but even Jeter didn’t seem to get the press our present minor league guys get.

    Thats only because the press wasn’t all over the internet/airwaves. Jeter was a top 5 prospect in baseball before he took over SS for good.

  230. cogen777 June 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    mick June 4th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    Was Cano highly touted?
    I remember when he came up Mad Dog Russo said “who is this guy Canoe they just brought up,” mocking the Yankees

    As I recall he wasn’t much more then an emergency call up because the offseason pickup of Tony “Hacking Mass” Womack had went so well. I don’t think that was a Cashman off season pick up in his defense. Was Levine around then?

  231. austinmac June 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Cogen,

    I was a huge Mantle fan, but Mays was the best player I have ever seen. He could beat you in every facet of the game. I have read the Yankees had a chance to sign him.

  232. blake June 4th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    @McCulloughSL: How A Helicopter Sounds Lineup: Suzuki 8, Nix 6, Teixeira 3, Cano DH, Wells 7, Youkilis 5, Adams 4, Overbay 9, Stewart 2, Phelps 1.

  233. Jerkface June 4th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

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    Pleasant one for me. I drafted him for my bench. I don’t know what he’s done or who’s worked with him. But his OPS at Texas was not terrible. .755. I know this season he hits lefties and he walks. Something he wasn’t doing. Lots of 3 ball counts. I remember Hughes had him 0-2, he went to 3-2 and walked. He also had Dickerson 0-2 the first time he homered. Machado same thing.

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    Have been waiting for Adams at 2B, felt it coming.

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    Ichiro leading off tonight with Gardner getting a day off. Good move with a lefty on the mound. Exploit Ichiro’s reverse split.

    And his .292 OBP?

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    Overbay in RF vs a lefty, ok thats for Gardy’s sake.

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    And his .292 OBP?

    His OBP is higher than that vs lefties. So like, in general I wouldn’t bat Ichiro leadoff, but if you’re giving Gardner a day off and you’re facing a lefty sure.

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    Nix is a pest. He is usually an out but a tough one. Key is Ichiro getting on and Nix going 3-2.
    Maybe Ichi steals a base.

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    Batting Nix second is asinine

    Two of the lower OBP guys at the top? I’m sure the reasoning is, “Suzuki runs well and Nix handles the bat well. They’re both baseball players.”

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    “Exploit Ichiro’s reverse split.”

    How long do you think Ichiro can maintain that .411 BAbip vs LHP?

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    Finally Cano up 4th.

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    Have been waiting for Adams at 2B, felt it coming.

    Versatility was always a mainstay of the Yankees so that is good, no? I used to start in the minors. That way you could call up a hot bat and generally have somewhere to play him.

    How many times have Jeter or Cano ever played anywhere other then SS and 2nd base? I was wondering?

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    Nix has close to a .400 obp vs lhp.

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    How long do you think Ichiro can maintain that .411 BAbip vs LHP?

    According to the binder it must be sustainable. :)

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    Adams is a 2B by trade. He won’t get much of a chance there unless Cano leaves us.
    Wonder why Joe put Cano up 4th against a lefty?

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    They have to go with what the hitters are doing right now.

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    As for Jeter and Cano playing elsewhere Just about never in the majors. Outside of DH Cano has played SS once. Outside of DH Jeter has never played anywhere but SS. I would have thought either would have played elsewhere early in their careers but boy was I wrong.

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    You’re a gem Mick.

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    If its just one more game it was worth doing tonight

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