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Game 59: Yankees vs. Indians

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jun 05, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees lineup

1. Brett Gardner CF

2. Robinson Cano 2B

3. Mark Teixeira 1B

4. Travis Hafner DH

5. Vernon Wells LF

6. Lyle Overbay RF

7. Kevin Youkilis 3B

8. Jayson Nix SS

9. Chris Stewart C

CC Sabathia LHP

Indians lineup

1. Michael Bourn CF

2. Jason Kipnis 2B

3. Nick Swisher DH

4. Mark Reynolds 3B

5. Carlos Santana 1B

6. Mike Aviles SS

7. Michael Brantley LF

8. Yan Gomes C

9. Drew Stubbs RF

Corey Kluber RHP

 

Umpires: Larry Vanover HP, Brian Gorman 1B, Manny Gonzalez 2B, Tony Randazzo 3B

TV/Radio: YES/WCBS 880

Weather: partly cloudy, comfortable

 

Cold on road and in general: Cleveland has dropped seven straight on the road and 11 of 15 overall.

 

Update, 1:12: Tidy 10-pitch, 1-2-3 first for Sabathia.

Update, 1:25: Hafner hurts his old team again, two-run shot to the second deck in right, 2-0 after one.

Update, 1:31: Indians go six up, six down so far.

Update, 1:41: Yankees clubbing Kluber, Stewart RBI single, 3-0 in second.

Update, 1:45: Three-run shot to right for Gardner, HR No. 6, 6-0.

Update, 1:57: CC perfect through three. Strikes out the side in the third.

Update, 2:02: Yankees finally go down in order.

Update, 2:10: Sabathia perfect through four, has fanned five of the 12.

Update, 2:16: Kluber has settled down, two straight 1-2-3 innings, 6-0 after four.

Update, 2:23: Perfect game is lost on the bloop single to left by Mike Aviles, two outs in the fifth. But that was it for the inning.

Update, 2:42: Two runs in off Sabathia now in the sixth, not that he’s getting pounded, three singles in the inning.

Update, 2:49: Vernon Wells now 0 for 3 and 3 for his last 44.

Update, 2:55: Kluber has given up no runs and two hits over the last four, 6-2 after six. Ichiro takes over for Overbay in right.

Update, 3:02: Gomes hits two-run HR to left, now 6-4 in the seventh.

Update, 3:21: Bases loaded, two outs for Wells. Joe Smith comes in to face him. Wells is overdue.

Update, 3:26: Soft pop to second, 3 for 45.

Update, 3:33: Sabathia finishes a one-walk eighth, four runs, seven hits allowed.

Update, 3:44: Nix and Stewart strand Ichiro at third. Sabathia comes out for the ninth.

Update, 3:52: Complete game for Sabathia. Yankees win 6-4 for the sweep.

 

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445 Responses to “Game 59: Yankees vs. Indians”

  1. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    2007 – 1.067
    2008 – .965
    2009 – .933
    2010 – .847
    2011 – .823
    2012 – .783
    2013 – hip injury
    2014 – 50 – 100 game suspension

  2. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    A-rod will serve his suspension this year.

  3. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    If he is suspended.

  4. RayVT June 5th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    While I understand the anger & dismay at ARod & PEDs, let’s just let things play out first. There are tons of folks using PEDs or who have used them while playing MLB. So a report that condems ARod (who else would ESPN want to attack?), Braun (who made MLB look stupid B4) & Melky (Already Caught) and throws in another Yankee (Cervelli) seems a bit biased. You mean there are no stones to throw at anyone in Beantown?

    I believe nothing will happen this season to any of them. Next year maybe. If they let Biogenesis talk, there could literally be 100s or 1000s of folks implicated as well they should be! (Big Papi maybe?)

    All this said, 100 Games suspension next year would reduce payroll. Maybe this is what Stein had in mind!

  5. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    All this said, 100 Games suspension next year would reduce payroll. Maybe this is what Stein had in mind!

    Doesn’t reduce the luxury tax payroll :) Also he would serve it while on the DL this year.

  6. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    AL average 3B: .265 .322 .437 .759

    I’ll take the over, Chip, at least short-term.

  7. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    A full investigation could take all year.

  8. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Mike F. making the same points some of us made last night.

  9. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    A full investigation could take all year.

    The article says they will hand down suspensions in 2 weeks.

  10. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Oh, so if they hand down 100 game suspensions, there is nothing the players association can do to drag it out?

  11. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    50 wouldn’t really hurt with Arod if it comes soon enough, he would do most of that on the DL. Cervelli missing 50 probably hurts more.

  12. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Rich,

    Fransayso is making the same mistake a lot of people are – he’s assuming the same burden of proof for Baseball that there is for the Government.

    That’s just not the case.

    Baseball doesn’t need proof positive of steroid use to suspend a player – they just need probability of guilt.

  13. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Mike F. is making it sound like this is a court of law and that the same rules apply and they don’t.

    He’s saying that MLB can’t suspend these players without a failed drug test – which is flat wrong.

    The players’ lawyers aren’t going to get to shred Bosch in front of a jury – there isn’t a jury to shred him in front of…it’s an arbitration panel. I don’t think the lawyers even get to question Bosch.

  14. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Broom Time in the Boggie Down

  15. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Oh, so if they hand down 100 game suspensions, there is nothing the players association can do to drag it out?

    The PA / Players would appeal. The appeal would happen within a month.

  16. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Chip

    There is still some due process that has to be complied with. Relying on a guy with no credibility who is being paid for his testimony will not withstand scrutiny. He will be impeached under some type of cross-examination, and the case could fall like a house of cards.

  17. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Two weeks and a month could take us to August. Then what happens if the appeal is denied? Then could the PA/Players appeal again?

  18. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Cano ok?

  19. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Two weeks and a month could take us to August. Then what happens if the appeal is denied? Then could the PA/Players appeal again?

    No. And playoff games count when serving the suspension.

  20. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    If Cano runs to first base instead of jogs, he doesn’t have to bust it to barely make it in to 2B.

  21. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    sweeping this good cleveland team would go a long way towards forming a scab over the recent 10-game wound.

    Is there anything more gut wrenching than the ebb and flow of a 162-game MLB season?

  22. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    “a report that condems ARod (who else would ESPN want to attack?), Braun (who made MLB look stupid B4) & Melky (Already Caught) and throws in another Yankee (Cervelli) seems a bit biased.”
    —————————————————
    who’s being attacked? espn reported that mlb wants to suspend them and others for violating the ped policy. is espn wrong? is mlb NOT investigating?

  23. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    These things aren’t like a real court case, where you can keep delaying/delaying and run through multiple appeals courts. You get the suspension, decide to appeal, date is set, arbitrators decide in your favor or don’t and then you serve the suspension or not.

  24. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Sounds like if a suspension of 100 games is waged, appealed and denied, 50 games will carry over into 2014.

  25. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Hafner

  26. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    What did Sterling call Hafner?

  27. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    If anyone wants to talk about players knowing best or that your brain can remember everything, Al Leiter is a good proof against. He doesn’t even remember his performance between day games / night games to the point where he thinks he was better during the day and that he liked it more. The truth is the opposite (as to his performance, not his preference)

  28. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    And the arbitration panel is 3 people. The one picked by MLB always votes for the MLB side, the one picked by the players always votes for the players, and the 3rd, mutually agreed upon person really decides the cases. :)

  29. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Cave Troll!

  30. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    A-Rod will not get a 100 game suspension.
    MLB is reaching past 50.
    Their logic is 50 for association and 50 for lying.
    It doesnt work like that.

    Though I wont cry myself to sleep if the Yankees gave 100/162 on A-Rod’s salary.

  31. Colorado Pinstripes June 5th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    PRONK! Good start by CC and good to take advantage of the Bourt error to take the early lead; a sweep would definitely help erase the bad tatse of this home stand vs. the Mets and BoSox.

  32. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    good lord – wellsy is down to .245

  33. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    GO Hafner!

    Has Wells had a hit since April?

  34. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Do the rules permit a face-saving plea bargain for both sides? Like a 10 game suspension?

  35. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Sounds like if a suspension of 100 games is waged, appealed and denied, 50 games will carry over into 2014.

    If he starts serving by the second or third week of august his 50 game suspension would not carry over. Also depends on how many playoff games they play. And they would have to get him on atleast 1 count to get the 50 games, which isn’t guaranteed. And a month from 2 weeks from now is in the middle of July.

  36. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Do the rules permit a face-saving plea bargain for both sides? Like a 10 game suspension?

    Theres no mitigation.

  37. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Wells should be suspended for stinking up the joint

  38. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Do the rules permit a face-saving plea bargain for both sides? Like a 10 game suspension?
    ___

    Neither MLB or the players care about rules. They might as well just make something up.
    Players cheat, MLB violates the procedure regarding keeping it quiet until the process is complete.

  39. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    next we’ll hear that A-Rod is being connected to that Scarsdale mom’s pot ring

  40. austinmac June 5th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Hafner crushed that ball. CC not throwing hard but good command.

  41. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    ND Farm Boy. That was a big boy fly. Sweep here would salvage this 8 game home stand.

  42. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    I hope he gets 100 games.

  43. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    What the heck is Flaherty talking about, when he and leiter got drafted the draft took like 5 minutes, they did all the rounds over the phone with like 30 seconds between picks.

  44. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    I’m plesantly surprised that the ball has yet to really find Lyle yet in right. Not saying he can’t do it but if someone else on the field can make the play that is fine by me.

    This also has a feeling of a good ol fashion afternoon game blowout in the Bronx.

  45. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Does Chris Stewart really have the 2nd highest average on the team?
    Is Cano really at .281 and LEADING the team?

  46. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Cano is the best .281 hitter in team history

  47. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    This also has a feeling of a good ol fashion afternoon game blowout in the Bronx.
    ___

    Wish our offense could put up enough runs to be called a blowout.
    Definitely CC vs. Whoever this is makes this lopsided.

  48. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Ovie moving well for a guy with a piano on his back

  49. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Cano is the best .281 hitter in team history
    ___

    In a walk year, i kinda expected Cano to battle for the batting title.

  50. 86w183 June 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    jerkface —

    I know you are the Czar of the CBA, but if Alex is suspended, he’s not paid. Therefore the Yanks would get credit for his lost wages, wouldn’t they? How can you be taxed on $$$ you didn’t spend?

    Also another question that came up — and I don’t even know if it’s addressed in the CBA — should an injured player’s team receive insurance payments due to inability to perform does that $$$ get credited for luxury tax calculations?

  51. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    This solution won’t please the purists who revere a game that never existed. It won’t please the anti-steroid furies who think that the behavior of children are determined in Pavlovian fashion by the actions of Major League Baseball players. It certainly won’t please baseball’s owners who like a system where fleecing cities out of millions in tax money isn’t cheating but taking a pill to workout longer is. It would however finally at long last take the game out of the courts, off of the front pages, and put it back on the field. Bud Selig isn’t Eliot Ness and Ryan Braun isn’t Al Capone. It’s time to stop the madness and decriminalize the game.

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/.....-drug-wars

  52. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Stewie telling Cano the Yankee batting title could be HIS.

  53. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Stew! Let’s get one more here.

  54. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    I know you are the Czar of the CBA, but if Alex is suspended, he’s not paid. Therefore the Yanks would get credit for his lost wages, wouldn’t they? How can you be taxed on $$$ you didn’t spend?

    Because the luxury tax is not calculated based on what a team physically pays in that year for multiyear contracts. The language of how to calculate it does not fit. The closest argument you can make for suspensions affecting the luxury tax is on single year contracts. It doesn’t work for multi-year.

    And no insurance money does not help either.

  55. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    1 more? Lets match Boston and put up 17!

  56. jlyanks85 June 5th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Cano will eventually have one of his hot stretches where he hits .600 in a 3 week span to get his average over .300. It’s only a matter of time. He does this every year.

  57. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Gardner is playing really well.

  58. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    The Yankees own the indians.

  59. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    damnnnnnnnnnnn

  60. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Get this 4th outfielder off the team

  61. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    I felt it. Blowout time.

  62. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    “gardy goes yardie?!?”

  63. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    4th outfielder!

  64. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    the unbalanced schedule is Cleveland’s best friend. They have been getting owned by NY and Bos. Good thing they can feast on the AL Central.

  65. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Gardy is on the list

  66. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    CC pitching with this lead?
    Chance at a no-no?

  67. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    More Indians please. I like playing them.

  68. blake June 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Gardner has 6 homers….that’s kinda unexpected

  69. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 2m

    Now, “Gardy goes yardy.” Only thing that might be left to find out today is if CC allows anyone to reach base or not. 6-0 in the 2nd.
    ___

    We are on the same page.

  70. RadioKev June 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I’m guessing Yahoo hasn’t tabulated Kubler’s massive ERA yet. He’s on my fantasy team…

  71. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Love the big wins before the road trip…

  72. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Cano .281

    Stewart .279

    :D

  73. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    Gardy is on the list

    ————————

    He has that classic steroid look…oversized head.

  74. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    did you just jinx cc?

  75. jlyanks85 June 5th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    To bad we couldn’t play the Indians and blue jays all year.

  76. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    5.04 as of the start of tex’s ab.
    then tex hit into a dp.
    Tex not really getting it from the left side yet.
    He is hot from the right though.

  77. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Tex sux

  78. 86w183 June 5th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    jerkface —-

    but the Yanks get credit for the money the Angels are paying for Wells and for the money that Pittsburgh is paying AJ Burnett.

    Why wouldn’t they get credit for a reduction in ARod’s compensation due to suspension??

    I don’t get the rationale

  79. RadioKev June 5th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    There it is. 18.00 ERA. Thanks for nothing fangraphs peripherals.

  80. blake June 5th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Gardner has 6 homers and 9 steals….

  81. Doreen June 5th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    They need to play the Indians once a week.

  82. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “Tex sux”

    That almost sounds like a political statement. ;)

  83. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Maybe Gardner should bat cleanup :)

  84. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    but the Yanks get credit for the money the Angels are paying for Wells and for the money that Pittsburgh is paying AJ Burnett.

    Why wouldn’t they get credit for a reduction in ARod’s compensation due to suspension??

    I don’t get the rationale

    Because that ‘credit’ is a debit on the teams paying for the contract. Its kept within the luxury tax system. Also the rules that govern it are clearly stated in the CBA. There is nothing relating to suspensions. Basically the CBA uses self-defined terms like ‘Salary’ and the definitions of Salary do not say ‘the actual amount of money paid to a player in that year’. For multi year deals the ‘Salary’ is the AAV of a combination of things including ‘Base Salary’ which is ‘the amount set out in the contract’ not ‘what the team paid’.

  85. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Wow, CC really got a call there.

  86. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    That was some inning by CC

  87. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
    Do the rules permit a face-saving plea bargain for both sides? Like a 10 game suspension?

    Theres no mitigation.
    _

    Thinking about it some more, not that it would happen, but couldn’t they reach an agreement before a suspension was handed down. IOW, we will only suspend you, for example, 10 games, as long as you don’t appeal.

  88. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    CC is just doing whatever he wants right now.

    This is perfect and exactly what this squad needed. Get those good loving feelings about the team back again.

  89. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Thinking about it some more, not that it would happen, but couldn’t they reach an agreement before a suspension was handed down. IOW, we will only suspend you, for example, 10 games, as long as you don’t appeal.

    Theres no mitigation. The penalties are stated in the JDA and it says you can’t change it.

  90. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “Theres no mitigation. The penalties are stated in the JDA and it says you can’t change it.”

    OK, but I am wondering whether they could reach a deal before a decision (a suspension) is handed down.

  91. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    OK, but I am wondering whether they could reach a deal before a decision (a suspension) is handed down.

    Related to drugs? I don’t see how, they can’t go against the JDA.

  92. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Vernon Wells needs to dial up HG Wells, go back in time, and get his groove back

  93. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    That 0-1 hack was embarrassing by Vern. I’m going to need to see more than one or two hits from him to be convinced. He looks every bit of the player that a lot of people expected.

  94. CountryClub June 5th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    It really is nice having Cano, Teix and Hafner batting back to back to back. At least they have a legitimate middle of the lineup now.

  95. blake June 5th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    @RiverAveBlues: 2013 Draft: Hunter Dozier http://t.co/BW73kphyYe

    Sounds pretty good for one of those picks maybe

  96. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Once Jete is back and Youk is hitting, we’ll have our whole 2007 AllStar team back and then IT’S ON!

  97. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Where did they say Flaherty had to go?

  98. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    “Vernon Wells needs to dial up HG Wells, go back in time, and get his groove back”

    I wonder how best to explain his out of context April. Luck? Something else?

  99. blake June 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    gameday has CC at 92 a lot again

  100. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    http://www.thebiglead.com/inde.....ght-video/
    ———-

    Hassey check this out. Good humor here.

  101. blake June 5th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    “I wonder how best to explain his out of context April. Luck? Something else?”

    who knows…..I don’t think he’s this bad as I do think his bat looks quicker than it did but he’s certainly in a funk. He needs to get back to see more lefties.

  102. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    blake June 5th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    ———————-

    Not sure if you heard it but during the pre game Curry said Cashman wants to draft the best baseball player not the best athlete. What does that mean exactly?

  103. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Will they pass on a player with great talent but is raw in terms of playing the game?

  104. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    “who knows…..I don’t think he’s this bad as I do think his bat looks quicker than it did but he’s certainly in a funk. He needs to get back to see more lefties.”

    Yeah, he should be platooned for now, but with Ichiro’s reverse split, that’s hard to do without overplaying Overbay in RF.

  105. 4TrainNorth June 5th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    When all is said and done, who will have been the better signing: Wells or Hafner?

  106. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    Where did they say Flaherty had to go?

    ———————-

    Personal issue.

  107. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    sterling just said cc is perfect through four. so the jinx is in.

    j/k really, i dont believe in jinxes but i know it really upsets some people

  108. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Not sure if you heard it but during the pre game Curry said Cashman wants to draft the best baseball player not the best athlete. What does that mean exactly?

    Well you can draft a toolbag player that doesnt have good baseball skills / raw baseball skills and end up with a massive failure of a player.

    I think the idea there is that they will be looking at projectionable baseball skills rather than just pure athletic talent. A guy with 5 tools doesn’t mean anything if they cant ever get the hit tool to work. Consider that ‘knowing which pitches to swing at’ is not a tool, so a guy with a nice looking swing that beats up on HS competition may not necessarily be a good baseball player.

  109. G. Love June 5th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Man, if Bret Gardner gets to double digit HR’s and 40SB’s with his defense this season? That’s a very valuable player.

  110. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    A toolbag with baseball skills = trout, harper
    A toolbag with raw baseball skills = Melky Mesa

  111. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Or like CJ Henry

  112. G. Love June 5th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    I hope the Yankees are drafting baseball players over toolsy guys.

    Every year we hear about toolsy guys and then a few years later they’re out of the system.

    Who was that kid from LA we drafted that everyone went nuts about who was compared to Strawberry because he had power and they went to the same high school in the early rounds? Chris Smith or something I remember? I don’t even think he’s in our system.

  113. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    G. Love June 5th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    ————————–

    40-40 I’m calling it now. :)

  114. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    http://thenosebleeds.com/forme.....ast-night/
    ———

    Carp gets K’d by Murphy and then tossed. Funny stuff.

  115. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    G.. Love

    Eric Davis?

  116. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Oh, now. Never mind.

  117. G. Love June 5th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Odds,

    If it happens, you are officially Ruler of Lohud and you can start the beheadings whenever you decide.

  118. blake June 5th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    “When all is said and done, who will have been the better signing: Wells or Hafner?”

    well Vern was a trade not a signing and he costs a lot more….both have helped the Yanks get through April

  119. 86w183 June 5th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    CJ Henry was a helluva athlete… but he couldn’t play.

    Can’t compare Wells (trade) and Hafner (FA) acquisitions because they’re different. That said, Wells is still costing the Yanks a LOT more $$$ so Hafner has a big lead, though Wells was really important to the Yanks’ good start

  120. G. Love June 5th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Hafner had some performance incentives built into his deal. If he stays healthy and hits HR’s and gets plate appearances I think he can get his deal up to around 6-8 million for the year.

  121. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    CJ Henry was a helluva athlete… but he couldn’t play.

    Yup, big time athletes are tantalizing, but the kind of big time athletes the Yankees can draft almost always come with the big warts of ‘doesnt know how to play baseball’. Sometimes it pays to get projectionable guys.

  122. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Thanks JF for the explanation.

  123. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Tool bags get talked up outside of the game. “Wow you should see the bombs this guy hits in BP… he’s so fast, you should see him during drills, this kid has a lot of potential, once he gets his swing together, once he figures out how to lay off that pitch, etc.”. Maybe draft the guys that get talked up on the diamond for what they are actually going.

  124. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Wasn’t Bo Jackson the rare tool bag that could play?

  125. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Dive for it Wells :x

  126. MG June 5th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Yankees undefeated with Overbay in right field?

    Just coincidence or has Lyle ‘Wally Pipped’ all of the Yankees outfielders? :)

    CC is putting on a pitching clinic today, it’s a pleasure to watch him toy with the Indians…

  127. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    G. Love June 5th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    —————-

    Beheadings will occur at dawn for all those to see. The first ppl on the chopping block why the trolls of course.

  128. jlyanks85 June 5th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Figures the guy who gets a hit shouldn’t even be playing. Aviles getting thrown out yesterday should of counted for today.

  129. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    I don’t know if Wells could have caught that or not but it he has definitely a step or 2 or 3 in the outfield. He used to be much better coming in on the ball.

  130. Doreen June 5th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    It means it hasn’t worked out so well drafting athletes, who hen cannot hit a baseball. ;)

  131. 86w183 June 5th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Hafner is guaranteed $ 2 M… could earn up to $ 4 M additionally based on plate appearances

  132. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    lost a step

  133. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    ” Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    A toolbag with baseball skills = trout, harper
    A toolbag with raw baseball skills = Melky Mesa
    ——————————————————————-
    which category for yasiel puig?

  134. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    big deal – we have a whole blog full of tool bags

  135. Niblick June 5th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Yanks need more “4th outfielders”.

  136. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Leiter eating in the booth talking through this inning, a Jeter head mask in the crowd, and Vern not being able to get to a lazy fly ball.

    All part of an afternoon tilt today.

    BTW I would have loved to have gotten the MO Fat Head today that was given out to the first 18,000.

  137. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    yankees helping indians in the detroit series by letting this SP stay in the game instead of burning out the BP….

  138. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    which category for yasiel puig?

    toolbag with skills so far :) Cuban toolsy players atleast play in a league equivalent to the minors. These HS and 16 year old IFA guys are not playing good competition.

  139. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    somebody tell Cano that these games are for money, not regional pride

  140. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Hafner is perfecting the all or nothing thing.

  141. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Puigs debut has been so impressive, but its the exact kind that can hurt a team if he really does need more seasoning in the minors. HE bought himself probably a month of extended playing time with that throw and those bombs, regardless of production.

  142. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    do the LA right field bleachers now become Pigland?

  143. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    i added puig on all my fbb teams. so far so good, im trying to find room for wheeler next week.

  144. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Soler, Puig, Cespedes all look like pretty good players/prospects. Too bad the Yankees couldn’t get 1.

  145. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    don’t Joba us, CC

  146. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Ryu has also looked like a pretty good pitcher as well, I didn’t expect he’d be this good.

  147. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    No hitter in atl alert

  148. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Bad defense cost CC 2 runs in this inning

  149. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    we don;t turn too many groundball DPs anymore

  150. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    marcel ozuna in fla impressing, too. wait till he has stanton hitting behind him.

  151. bruceb June 5th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    If it were not for the Jays and Indians (plus our stellar play against both), we’d be four games under .500.

  152. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    if not for the games we’ve won, we’d be winless, too.

  153. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Teheran 4 outs away

  154. yankeefeminista June 5th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    How’s C looking?
    ___
    Baseball America ?@BaseballAmerica 7m
    Int’l Update: Rangers Sign Omarlin Lopez For $825,000 – The Rangers have made one of the biggest international sig…

    :(

  155. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    No hitter over. Inge liner to left

  156. Against All Odds June 5th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Damn it’s gone

  157. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    didnt inge break up someone else no-no, too?

  158. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Wells has to lay of that crap on the outside corner and in the dirt

  159. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Baseball America ?@BaseballAmerica 7m
    Int’l Update: Rangers Sign Omarlin Lopez For $825,000 – The Rangers have made one of the biggest international sig…
    _

    Hal strikes again?

  160. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Ugh Wells doesnt need that crap called a strike :x

  161. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Wells avergae going down faster than OJ futures in Trading PLaces

  162. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Seriously, Wells, Youk, and Ichiro get over $30m, but they can’t top $825k?

  163. blake June 5th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    ‘Soler, Puig, Cespedes all look like pretty good players/prospects. Too bad the Yankees couldn’t get 1.”

    really sucks they didn’t get at least one…..

  164. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Wells hitting .198 in his last 126 AB/35 games

  165. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Igawa has to still be a painful memory for Cashman

  166. blake June 5th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Teheran is really pitching well of late…..

  167. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    these Ks are troubling again…proliferating like locusts

  168. jlyanks85 June 5th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Get 6 runs off this guy in 2 innings, then turns into sandy Koufax the next 4. Makes sense

  169. tomingeorgia June 5th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Nice DP.

  170. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Not again… I thought this would be a cruise to the finish.

  171. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    indians all “singles” today ?

  172. ac1 June 5th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    WOW what happened. CC looked unhittable and not he has given up 4 runs and the same number of hits as we have.

  173. GoldGlove9486 June 5th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Incredible how the Yanks can never win an easy game.

  174. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    They do come back alot under Tito. Wonder what their record is when losing at any point during the game

  175. NYY fan in NH June 5th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    CC let’s them right back in the game where you have to think about using Mo again.. Ridiculous

  176. tomingeorgia June 5th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Rats.

  177. jlyanks85 June 5th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    3 days in a row the Indians keep rallying back from big defecits. Like what the hell.

  178. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    CC is a dependable starter, an innings eater, and can spin a gem, but I’m not sure we’ll see consistently dominant CC. He is still good and worth his contract.

  179. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    if this was a cruise, it would explain why CC and Joba are so fat

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    If the Yankees didn’t write something into Arod’s contract after the last controversy saying that any further use of PEDs would result in a termination of his contract, they are ridiculous. My guess is that they did.

    *********

    Woo hoo!!! Anything for a ratings’ spike!!! :roll:

    Actually I don’t believe it would bring a ratings’ spike. I believe it would bring nothing but resounding boos and a lot of derision. That ship sailed a long time ago.

    *********
    JF is correct. Suspensions will be coming soon. Bosch has been assured protection in exchange for telling the entire story. Good.

    ****************

    “There are tons of folks using PEDs or who have used them while playing MLB.”

    Speeding results in a fine. Weak example perhaps, but lots of people speed and don’t get caught. If you speed and get caught, oh well.

    *********************

  181. bruceb June 5th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Been the pattern of this series. Be surprised if he uses either DRob or Mo today. Remember, we have a game tomorrow too.

  182. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “CC is a dependable starter, an innings eater, and can spin a gem, but I’m not sure we’ll see consistently dominant CC. He is still good and worth his contract”

    Not a question. In addition, I think when a pitcher is pitching a no hitter and finally gives up that first hit, I think there can be a little bit of an adrenaline let down.

  183. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa 3m
    Pretty sure Vernon Wells is the guy who needs to come out for a defensive replacement at this poiont, not Overbay.

  184. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    It’s hard to believe that neither Neal or Mustelier can provide more than Wells at this point.

  185. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    A bad end to CC’s day. It looks like we will have to get used to the fact that this is what he is now. Now the back end of the bullpen doesn’t get a rest.

  186. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “It’s hard to believe that neither Neal or Mustelier can provide more than Wells at this point.”

    And unlike Wells, they may actually get better over time.

  187. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Rich-

    Exactly. Add in their potential upside and it seems easy at this point. But Girardi has said he expects Wells to snap out of it. Just not sure recent history supports that… I’m afraid they stick with him until July-ish and get burned.

  188. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    for all of you offense bashers….

    screw you

    I mean, take that!!!

    :D

  189. jlyanks85 June 5th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    How CC goes from having his way with the Indians for the first 5, to then give up 4 runs in the next 2 is mind boggling. These are usually the type of starts for CC where he goes a CG and gives up 1 run at most.

  190. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Tyler

    I think that’s Wells’ contract talking. My guess is that they have to decide from above if he is done before Girardi can stop playing him.

    As blake said above, for now, he should only face LHP.

  191. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Rich-

    I think that’s the case. He’s not a simple move at this point (as he hasn’t been since Toronto gave him that absurd deal). I really feel like he could just use a week off straight. Rest up and just take a mental break.

  192. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    cc is worth his contract now but likely wont be the last 2 years of it.

  193. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Cmon Robbie sharp base hit here to score one.

  194. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    I wonder if his contract or what is on Cano’s mind?! He really looks bad and almost like he isn’t all there at times.

  195. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Smart move by Tito. Tex is too good RH.

  196. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    cc is worth his contract now but likely wont be the last 2 years of it.

    He is a lefty with some very good offspeed stuff. I think he can pettitte the last 2 years. Thats why I was also bullish on pairing him with Cliff Lee. Lefties can get away with diminished stuff far easier than righties can. And in NYS especially so.

  197. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    He should walk Haf too and pitch to Wells.

  198. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    lee wasn’t worth signing at what he got, even if the yankees could have somehow convinced him to come to ny.

    at no point is lee’s contract going to be worth picking up imo.

  199. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Kept staying away from Hafner…. this is huge for Wells.

  200. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    vwells is overdue…

  201. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Vern one time here. Base hit and we hop on the plane to Seattle.

  202. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Ys Guy, have you seen Cliff Lee

    532.0 2.71 ERA since signing his contract and only under control for 3 more years. He is already worth his contract.

  203. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Wells is beyond due here

  204. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Come on Vern. Hey he’s hit a few into the outfield over the last few days – even though they’ve been caught. I’m thinking he’s due. Hoping he’s due!

  205. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Sigh

  206. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Geeze Louise. I think he needs to sit for a while. I really do. I don’t think he’s washed up but I think he needs to regroup. Or get a darned hit!

  207. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Wells doesn’t have a hit in June (this stat will be more surprising in a few weeks)

  208. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    lee is signed for 2 more years plus a club option with a huge buyout.’

    from cot’s:
    cliff lee 2016: $27.5 club option, (12.5M buyout)

    he gets 21 teams on his no trade each year (its a lock that the yankees are one of them)

    for the yankees to pick up that contract they’d have to pay him that 2016 full salary to buy out the ntc.

  209. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Rumors of Wells great demise have NOT been over-exaggerated. Hopefully he misses the flight out West.

  210. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    They can’t pretend with Wells much longer.

  211. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    But thats fine, Ys Guy, he has pitched 200 innings each of the last 2 years with an awesome ERA. He is a fantastic pitcher.

  212. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Welp now it’s still very much a game. Got to pitch.

  213. pat June 5th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Not so fast….

    craigcalcaterra
    Players to be interviewed in June, decisions on discipline, if any, to occur in early July at the earliest. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......s-players/

  214. bruceb June 5th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Every time we have a chance to ease the pressure on the pen we blow it. It will catch up with us in the end…if not today.

  215. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised If Vernon’s playing time is really cut. Eventually he has to show something if he wants to be in there everyday. That at bat was really awful.

  216. jlyanks85 June 5th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    If wells can’t turn it around by the time Granderson comes back in July, he needs to just be cut. We’re lucky to even gotten a good month and a half out if him.

  217. Dill Pickler June 5th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    No, Trisha, he’s washed up. The last two years don’t lie. 3 for 45??? Good God, enough is enough.

  218. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    CC doing WORK! Finish strong #52.

  219. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    lee is good now. putting aside that he hates ny and doesnt want to come here, i dont see him or cc being worth the last 2 years of their contracts.

    thats just my opinion, we won’t know till at least mid 2016. he may be worth $52.5M for the seasons he turns 37 and 38, but its very unlikely imo.

  220. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    lohud reporting narcotics delivery to Chris Perez’ home

  221. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    The 6 runs were nice but not being able to add on is hurting them here. The at bats have to get better in those situations.

  222. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Good inning for CC

  223. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Ichiro!! Nice catch. Looks like he took over for Lyle just in time. I wonder though if Gardy could’ve laid out for that though.

    Nice game for CC.

  224. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    If Wells gets cut in July, it will go down as the best temp assignment in history

  225. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Some of the more common superstition include purposely stepping on or avoiding stepping on the foul line when taking the field, and not talking about a no-hitter or perfect game while it is in progress, a superstition that also holds for fans and announcers.

    True story. I’m a big believer in baseball superstitions. I once emailed Kitty and gave him hell for using magic words when a no hitter was going on. He actually emailed me back and said he didn’t realize he was doing it and wouldn’t do it again. He also said he loved my passion and invited me to come up and visit him in the booth when I was at the Stadium. (I never did).

    Kay was doing the same thing, so I emailed him too. I never heard anything back. But next time a perfect game was going on, he went into a diatribe about how he didn’t believe in the superstition and therefore wasn’t going to stop saying the magic words. I thought that took amazing hubris for a baseball announcer since it is a baseball superstition! So I decided he needed to be fired and wrote to the Boss and emailed every VP, other announcers, and anyone in the Ys organization I could find an email for (talking about hubris…). I thought sure that the Boss of all people would ream him out and/or fire his butt!

    Well Kay is still there. I can’t remember whether he’s been using the magic words during those games. But I was in the car during the 5th inning of today’s game, when Sterling was discussing CC’s “perfect game” with Anthony McCarron. I got into the house to find that CC had given up his first hit.

    Just sayin’

    :)

  226. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Hassey yeah that news came out this morning. Perez has some answering to do with that I would think.

  227. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    “If Wells gets cut in July, it will go down as the best temp assignment in history”

    Fer sure.

  228. Dill Pickler June 5th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    “If wells can’t turn it around by the time Granderson comes back in July, he needs to just be cut.”

    I’m sorry, but no. Wells is hitting .067 over the past two weeks. He doesn’t get to hit .067 for the next 5 weeks and stay in the big leagues, let alone the lineup. He’s not a pitcher. In fact, .067 is even terrible for a pitcher!

  229. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    If talking about a no hitter/perfect game jinx’d them there never would be one.

  230. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Ichiro should get all of Wells’ AB.

  231. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Ichiro has been awesome since Grandy got hurt. Stepping it up big time.

  232. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Then why aren’t we jinxing Wells’ slump by talking it to death? You can only jinx good things?

  233. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    “If Wells gets cut in July, it will go down as the best temp assignment in history”

    That is sort of like talking about the tallest um, to be politically correct, short person.

  234. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    “No, Trisha, he’s washed up. The last two years don’t lie. 3 for 45??? Good God, enough is enough.”

    Yeah and several days ago the offense had finally turned into a pumpkin, the way so many lohuddites assured us it would, right Dill?

    Sorry Dill, I just can’t buy pronouncements of doom made on lohud. I think I’ll just wait it out.

    Meanwhile, I do think he needs to be benched for a while anyway.

  235. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    “Then why aren’t we jinxing Wells’ slump by talking it to death? You can only jinx good things?”

    I don’t make ‘em up, Hass. I just follow ‘em.

    :)

  236. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Yeah and several days ago the offense had finally turned into a pumpkin

    It was a pumpkin for a month.

  237. Dill Pickler June 5th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    The offense HAD turned into a pumpkin. Tex revived it.

    The replacement-level players are still that: replacement level. Exhibit A: Wells. 45 at-bats is not just a blip. Especially for someone who provides no on-base percentage whatsoever and not much on defense either.

  238. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Nixy can really handle the bat huh?

  239. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    “Kay was doing the same thing, so I emailed him too. I never heard anything back. But next time a perfect game was going on, he went into a diatribe about how he didn’t believe in the superstition and therefore wasn’t going to stop saying the magic words. I thought that took amazing hubris for a baseball announcer since it is a baseball superstition!”
    ==========================================
    id say most announcers these days just come out and say ‘he’s got a no no going’ or ‘he’s perfect through___ innings” (and john sterling was doing today.)

    its the job of the announcer to tell people what’s going on in the game and burying the lead is not being fair to people just tuning in or coming in and out of the room, imo.

    superstition is just that and if we still followed it we’d be calling people witches and burning them.

    announcers have to make that choice but nowadays, the vast majority see their job to tell the story as being more important than some superstition.

  240. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    “Nixy can really handle the bat huh?”

    About 1 of every 4 PA.

  241. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    K’s just piling up lately like a blizzard on I-81

  242. jlyanks85 June 5th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    A good offense would of easily tacked on a few more runs off this crappy Indians pitching staff and put away this game.

  243. GoldGlove9486 June 5th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    No reason not to try the squeeze with Nix there. Girardi should show some GUTS.

  244. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Kind of still is. Even with their run scoring (thanks to Tex’s HRs!) they are only hitting .240 as a team with a sub .700 OPS in June.

    April: .261 .330 .432 .763 , 4.62 runs per game
    May:.233 .286 .376 .662 , 3.64 runs per game
    June: .239 .311 .349 .660 (they are hitting .258 in todays game.) , 3.6 runs per game

  245. Hassey June 5th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    CC rumbling towards the finish line

  246. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    cc is a workhorse.

  247. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    CC says I got this SH- Stuff

  248. bruceb June 5th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Ridiculous how many runs we leave on base with less than two out. That’s going to kill a bullpen over the course of the season.

  249. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Ys Guy, actually you’re wrong. One day I heard the Mets announcers absolutely walking around it beautifully. The same thing happened with the Chisox announcers when they cut in. Both sets referred to “something special happening.”

    I think it’s wicked cool when announcers respect superstitions.

    ************

    “It was a pumpkin for a month.”

    That’s called an extended slump. I’m talking about the ones who referred to midnight being on its way or people who said they had told us from jump street that “this was going to happen with this offense”, “they’ve played over their heads and now they’re coming back to earth” – all things that portended the ultimate doom was on our doorstep. Not those – like you – who weren’t quite sure the slump was over just because the offense had gotten a few hits. Heck, at least you referred to a slump!

  250. bruceb June 5th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Either that or CC’s arm is going to fall off. Talk about abusing a guy.

  251. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
    Since Gardner HR in 2d, #Yankees 0-10 with men on base, have helped leave door open in 9th. CC back out, Mo not warming. #Indians

  252. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    wow, ump must want to go home. bad call there

  253. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    “A good offense would of easily tacked on a few more runs off this crappy Indians pitching staff and put away this game.”

    :)

    Sure thing. A good offense can hit ANY pitcher or reliever and if they ONLY put up 6 runs it indicates they are not a good offense.

    Gotcha.

  254. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
    Rivera got up with 1 out, maybe Girardi willing to give piece of inning if necessary #Yankees

  255. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Sorry to say it but it’s not a slump if it’s the norm. Over the last few years Wells has been more bad than good. His april was an outlier. Expecting anything more from Wells is just wishful thinking

  256. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Holy crap. We definitely get our money’s worth with this guy. You sure can never question is work ethic.

  257. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    YES YES YES!

    SWEEEEEEEEEEP

  258. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    CC based

  259. tomingeorgia June 5th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    What a Spartan CC is.

  260. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Patrick – sorry to say I’m talking about the entire Yankee offense when I refer to a slump. And if Wells never snaps out of it, I’ll be the first to say it wasn’t a slump. No biggie.

    I’m not a player sycophant to the extent that I’m blind to what’s happening. When a player isn’t getting the job done, I think the player needs to sit a while. But I’m not the manager so I don’t get a say. Maybe Girardi thinks that the best way to snap him out of it is to play him. But hey, he gets the big bucks, I don’t.

  261. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    well, both yankee announcers ‘jinxed’ the no no today.

    Vin Scully always tells people when there’s a no-no going on (and two of the games he’s ‘jinxed’ ended up being no-no’s)

    (so that’s two lousy announcers and one hall of famer.)

  262. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    The offense HAD turned into a pumpkin. Tex revived it.
    ———–
    + 10000

    Big believer in this. Everyone else in the offense can relax a little bit. Also last night we score 1 run without him and the night before 3 runs without him. WOAH Offensive Outburst. 1 and 3 runs. LOOKOUT!!

    I like to look at all sides and I don’t think you can count out how huge of an impact Tex has had so far.

  263. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    mark buehrle ‘jinxed’ his own game, chatting with teammates in the dugout about it before he finished it.

  264. blake June 5th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    That’s why CC is great…..made a few mistakes and gave up some runs but goes the distance and saves a taxed pen and they win the game to boot. Maybe he’s not as dominant as he used to be but he’s a very good pitcher and should be an asset for years.

  265. bruceb June 5th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Seemed like an awful home stand with two losses to both the Mets and Sox…yet we still managed to finish it 4-4. Good comeback.

  266. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    “Maybe he’s not as dominant as he used to be but he’s a very good pitcher and should be an asset for years.”

    I suspect he is still regaining arm strength from the surgery.

  267. Dill Pickler June 5th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    “That’s called an extended slump. I’m talking about the ones who referred to midnight being on its way or people who said they had told us from jump street that “this was going to happen with this offense”, “they’ve played over their heads and now they’re coming back to earth” – all things that portended the ultimate doom was on our doorstep. Not those – like you – who weren’t quite sure the slump was over just because the offense had gotten a few hits. Heck, at least you referred to a slump!”

    Trisha, you need to acknowledge that we weren’t talking about EVERYONE on the team. We were talking about the scrap heap reclamation projects, like Wells, etc., who WERE playing over their head for the month of April. Not guys like Tex and Cano (who, one assumes, will come out of his slump at some point). And clearly we were correct, as Wells continues to prove. You can’t count on two or three guys every single night to carry the offense, you have to have more contributing over the long haul, and counting on Vernon Wells, Lyle Overbay, etc., to be middle-of-the order hitters over the long haul is foolish. They’re reverting to form.

  268. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    one of the no no’s scully jinxed was larsen’s in the WS

  269. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Patrick – sorry to say I’m talking about the entire Yankee offense when I refer to a slump.

    Well my argument is the same for the offense at large. The players that make up the offense are for the most part, bad hitters. Just because they stayed above water for a month doesn’t mean it’s a good offense. This is not a slump, this is the offense hitting the way we all expected them to. If the Yankees are going to score runs it’s mostly going to be on the backs of Cano, Tex and Youk.

    Also I really don’t get all the love Overbay gets. His OBP is below .300. This is how bad the Yankee offense is, the Yankees are dying to get a .294 OBP hitter into their lineup. So desperate they play him at a position he’s never played before.

  270. fantasygame101 June 5th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    The clock strikes twelve already for wells so time to platoon him or sit him.

  271. Warning Track Power June 5th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    People: I have worn my Yankees jackets 3 consecutive days and the team
    has won 3 consecutive games.
    How about that?

  272. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    “Well my argument is the same for the offense at large. The players that make up the offense are for the most part, bad hitters.”

    Yeah, April was what was out of context for many, not what has come after.

  273. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    “It’s insuting the listeners to make them think they’re silly and superstitious enough to believe my telling them that a no-hitter is going on will affect the game.”

    vin scully

  274. blake June 5th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Dan Szymborski ?@DSzymborski 9m
    Note relevant to yesterday’s #franchisedraft: of top 30 bWAR for previous 6 years (2007-2012) 25 were 28 and under in 2007.

    Cano will be 31 at the end of the year

  275. Dill Pickler June 5th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    I’ll happily admit I was wrong about Tex being able to contribute so much so quickly. The guy essentially had a 6-at-bat spring training. I didn’t see him mashing like this for a couple more weeks, at least. I’m thrilled that he’s come up big for us so quickly.

    I still think we need another legit bat for this offense (an outfielder) if we want to stay in the race for the next 5-6 weeks before we get Granderson back.

  276. Warning Track Power June 5th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Dill-
    That legit bat will have to come within. Almost impossible for Cashman to make a trade at this point in the season.
    Maybe Youk can get hot or maybe Tex can knock off that rust and get really hot at the place.
    Could be a player like Adams who once again finds his stroke and contributes to the offense.

  277. filthy slider June 5th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Just sick of watching Cano dog it. Wish Torre would have had the stones to straighten him out as a rookie. I won’t be sad to see him go.

  278. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    6 runs scored, a win, and some people still complain about every little thing…

  279. Dill Pickler June 5th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    “Also I really don’t get all the love Overbay gets. His OBP is below .300. This is how bad the Yankee offense is, the Yankees are dying to get a .294 OBP hitter into their lineup. So desperate they play him at a position he’s never played before.”

    At least Overbay’s been somewhat consistent, and has gotten some clutch hits. Wells’ OBP is actually lower — .287! And he did all his hitting in the first 6 weeks of the season. He’s absolutely fallen off the cliff since then.

  280. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    the best baseball radio announcer i ever heard call a game, jack buck always said when there was a no no going. the second best i ever heard, ernie harwell would never jinx a no no.

  281. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Patrick,

    Pronk’s a good offensive player. The question is health. If he’s healthy he’s going to crush.

  282. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    “Cano will be 31 at the end of the year”

    Maybe an off year could be the best thing that happens to the Yankees over time.

  283. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa 3m
    Pretty sure Vernon Wells is the guy who needs to come out for a defensive replacement at this poiont, not Overbay.

    Second highest UZR/150 in the AL among qualified in LF.

  284. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Sweet series. Pumped to see the results of these games go on the left side. Yankees are hanging tough.

    I’m out.

  285. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    is mike axisa high?

  286. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Overbay had to play vs LHP, which he isn’t here for, and won’t much from now on.

    vs RHP .287/.333/.535

    Gonna complain about that?

    (probably)

  287. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    I love the people who call up and say “They didn’t get Bonds, they didn’t get Clemens, they’re not getting Braun and Alex.”

    Dummies – the burden of proof facing the US Government in a perjury case is a lot higher than the burden of proof facing MLB in an arbitration hearing

  288. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Doesn’t matter about Wells defense right now. He isn’t hitting enough to warrant playing.

  289. Warning Track Power June 5th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Very good series against a pretty good Indian team.
    Swish was a non-factor.

    Yankees pitching was just fine. The offense scores a few more runs then before.

    Nice to see C.C. out there in the 9th. Was it really a difficult decision based on the thin bullpen?
    NO. Send him out there and let him get 3 more outs. His pitch count was at 102 when
    the inning started. If you ask me, getting to 100 should not mean a starter needs to be removed.

  290. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “Dummies – the burden of proof facing the US Government in a perjury case is a lot higher than the burden of proof facing MLB in an arbitration hearing”

    What is the burden of proof in arbitration hearings?

  291. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
    Since Gardner HR in 2d, #Yankees 0-10 with men on base, have helped leave door open in 9th. CC back out, Mo not warming. #Indians

    Yeah, let’s point out the negative after scoring 6 runs. But that’s Sherman.

  292. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    “Cano will be 31 at the end of the year”

    Maybe an off year could be the best thing that happens to the Yankees over time.
    ——————–

    If the Yankees use the money that they would spend on Cano smartly – say 3 years at $13 each for Ben Zobrist and Brian McCann – there won’t be a year off.

  293. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    tonight and next week, while the yankees arent playing at 7, it’ll be a good chance to catch up on a couple of the better NL teams, the nationals this week and the cardinals next, play the mets. (skip the marlins…)

  294. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Chip

    I meant an off year by Cano, but otherwise, I agree.

  295. blake June 5th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    I’d rather sign Zobrist, McCann, and Choo than Cano alone if possible.

  296. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “Dummies – the burden of proof facing the US Government in a perjury case is a lot higher than the burden of proof facing MLB in an arbitration hearing”

    What is the burden of proof in arbitration hearings?
    —————–

    According to the CBA Major League Baseball just needs to show that the players likely used banned substances.

  297. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    the burden of proof in the arbitration hearing will be who can convince the nuetral arbitrator that their case is better than the other side’s.

  298. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    “According to the CBA Major League Baseball just needs to show that the players likely used banned substances.”

    Likely is vague.

    IOW, is that more likely than not? Like a preponderance in a civil case? I’m skeptical.

  299. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Chip

    I meant an off year by Cano, but otherwise, I agree.
    ————-

    Ah, thought you meant a non-competitive year.

  300. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa 3m
    Pretty sure Vernon Wells is the guy who needs to come out for a defensive replacement at this poiont, not Overbay.

    Second highest UZR/150 in the AL among qualified in LF.

    Furthermore, Gardner 2nd best in CF, Ichiro 2nd in RF.

  301. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Cano has been my favorite player since he came up but I’m conflicted on him. He’s going to get a huge contract even if his numbers stay a little down this year (only thing that could change this is if the PED rumors get stronger). I’d hate to lose him for nothing but the Yanks could almost play this like the Cards did with Pujols. They could play Adams at 2nd and still get some production… just don’t know if they reinvest wisely.

  302. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    i believe its not just that they have to show it’s likely they used. they dont even have to show usage if they can show that the player recieved the ped’s. (which is likely to be all they will try to do here).

    and now mlb is apparently going to claim that lying about it is also a violation.

  303. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    “According to the CBA Major League Baseball just needs to show that the players likely used banned substances.”

    Likely is vague.

    IOW, is that more likely than not? Like a preponderance in a civil case? I’m skeptical.
    ————-

    It is vague, I agree – and I’m shocked that the lawyers for the Union let it through unless it was intentionally done by the clean players to further distance themselves from people using legal loopholes to avoid punishment for steroid use.

    As YS Guy says…it’s just who presents the better argument and sways the arbiter. There isn’t any law involved here.

  304. fantasygame101 June 5th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    what will girardi do in the mariner’s series, play wells for his defense or overbay for his offense? they sure need a legit of who can hit better than wells right now in the coming road trip.

  305. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    I’d rather sign Zobrist, McCann, and Choo than Cano alone if possible.
    —————————————————————————-

    This. The Yanks could almost take the Cards route after losing Pujols (although they badly wanted the guy but got outbid by a dumb offer). Cano’s production at 2nd is unreal but they could plug in Adams and still get adequate production from 2B. And strengthen other weak areas. It will be tough.

  306. Warning Track Power June 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    tonight and next week, while the yankees arent playing at 7, it’ll be a good chance to catch up on a couple of the better NL teams, the nationals this week and the cardinals next, play the mets. (skip the marlins…)
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    I feel bad for the east coasters that have to literally wait all day and night for
    the 1st pitch.
    Lucky us out here on the west coast, the 1st pitch is at 7 pm local time.

  307. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Not buying what some are trying to sell.

    Nobody here has any clue about how any particular player will be doing, and when. Up or down.

    And by the way, yes, many people here were talking about the entire offense. The words are there.

    So they were obviously WRONG.

  308. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Pronk’s a good offensive player. The question is health. If he’s healthy he’s going to crush.

    You are definitely right but I think it’s safe to assume he will get hurt. He may not even necessarily go on the DL but he could get hurt and just not produce, like a few weeks ago with his back problem. I am a big Pronk fan but I think the safe bet is to assume he will be hurt off and on throughout the season.

  309. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    I don’t get wanting to ditch Wells after one very good month and one bad month. His swing is still good, his approach has regressed. Give him a chance.

  310. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    so far, girardi’s idea to keep overbay by putting him in RF looking pretty smart.

    at some point overbay will overpursue a ball at the fence or throw to the wrong base or something, but i dont think he’s going to have any big problems handling the normal OF chances.

    he won’t be making any full-extention, full-speed catches deep in the alley, but i think it’s a good play for right now. that may change as time goes on, but for now, good call joe!

  311. Pat M. June 5th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Rich in NJ……You & I spoke extensively on the Cano / Granderson situation and I’m even more emphatic that Cano’s best years are behind him and his most expensive seasons lie ahead…….Someone will overpay him I just hope it isn’t The Yanks

  312. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    they could plug in Adams and still get adequate production from 2B.

    I don’t think that’s a given. He had a decent start but his stats at this point are well below average for 2B (or any position). It’s too early to say one way or another but Adams is still a huge question mark at the moment.

  313. Warning Track Power June 5th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Well will be fine. Give the guy a break already.
    Plus, with Granderson on the DL, there isn’t any other player that can be called up and
    counted on at this point.

    Well will find his stroke on the west coast.

    3 straight wins will make for a nice flights across the country.

  314. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    I don’t get wanting to ditch Wells after one very good month and one bad month. His swing is still good, his approach has regressed. Give him a chance.

    Don’t worry, he’ll get plenty of chances because there is nobody else right now. This is a team that has to bat Nix 2 against LHP because there is such a dearth of right handed hitters on the roster. Wells is locked in for 2 seasons, he’ll easily get 500 AB’s this season whether we like it or not.

  315. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    “It’s insulting the listeners to make them think they’re silly and superstitious enough to believe my telling them that a no-hitter is going on will affect the game”

    YAWN!!!

    I’m grateful for the ones with enough respect for the game, those who believe in baseball superstitions (surely you know that players do, don’t you?), and even those that keep their traps shut even if they think it’s silly.

    Many announcers do respect the superstition – though they themselves night be superstitious, who knows. I just know that I wouldn’t play the screaming loser to wreck everyone else’s party just because I didn’t like the party games.

    But to each her or his own.

    :)

  316. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    blake June 5th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    I’d rather sign Zobrist, McCann, and Choo than Cano alone if possible.
    ——————

    I like Choo but I think that Boras is going to price him out of the market.

  317. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    trish you just “YAWN!!”ed Vin Scully … let that sink in

  318. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I said they should make some hay in the next 5 games (last 2 and next 3). So far they have. I wanted them to go 4-1 in these games so they just need to take 2 of the next 3. Then they can “afford” to lose against Felix if they do.

  319. blake June 5th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    “I like Choo but I think that Boras is going to price him out of the market.”

    how much do you think he’ll get? The Yankees could give Choo, McCann, and Zobrist 75 million each and probably not pay much more total money than Cano will get…..and they’ll be off the hook 3-4 years sooner in most cases.

  320. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    “I don’t get wanting to ditch Wells after one very good month and one bad month. His swing is still good, his approach has regressed. Give him a chance”

    Weren’t you the same one who told people to keep level heads the other night when there was mass hysteria here the other night, with people pushing each other out of the way so they could be the one to announce the demise of the Yankees and the death of the offense?

    I agree with you jacksquat, especially because he’s started to hit the ball again and had some fly balls into the outfield yesterday. That usually signals the end of a drought.

  321. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    I think McCann will get more than 75. Might be closer to 175 ..

    That being said, I’d love to pick up those 3 players you mention blake.

  322. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    I don’t know if I like the idea of paying Choo (or anyone) a lot of money to only be able to hit from one side of the plate. If they are cheap/inexpensive like Overbay or Hafner that is fine.

  323. Dill Pickler June 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    “I don’t get wanting to ditch Wells after one very good month and one bad month. His swing is still good, his approach has regressed. Give him a chance.”

    The problem with this is that it’s not just one bad month — it’s one bad month after a good month after two horrible YEARS. The guy has a trajectory, which says he’s washed up. The anomaly is his good April, not the slump now.

    If this were our regular lineup, with Granderson and Jeter and Cervelli, then maybe you could get away with carrying a guy like Wells (though I still wouldn’t run a corner outfielder out there who’s hitting .067 for an extended period).

  324. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    “trish you just “YAWN!!”ed Vin Scully … let that sink in”

    Vin Scully – GREAT broadcaster. However still human. Walked on land some of the time.

    So there’s that.

    But I’m actually yawning the thought he put forward.

  325. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Patrick-

    He definitely hasn’t proven anything yet but they have to give him a chance to succeed. It’s not a sure thing but I think a combination of their middle infield prospects (or even a Zobrist there occasionally) can be good enough and much cheaper. I think Adams will hit. He’s hit at every level in the minors and in college. I know the big leagues is much more difficult but I think he’s going to be a good one. Not as good of a bat as prime Cano obviously though.

  326. G. Love June 5th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    I don’t know why you’d get rid of Wells but the same people defend Tex. Wells will probably hit 20+ Hr’s with a low average, good D and will be better against LHP than RHP.

    They’re essentially the same player.

  327. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Pickler – re: Vernon – time will tell!!!

    Other players have resurrected their careers after down years too. That’s baseball Suzyn!

    Great night, all.

    :)

    Oh yeah – GO RANGERS!!!

  328. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    The problem with this is that it’s not just one bad month — it’s one bad month after a good month after two horrible YEARS. The guy has a trajectory, which says he’s washed up. The anomaly is his good April, not the slump now.

    But, his swing has changed, so there is reason to believe he doesn’t have to return to how he has been the past two years. His approach at the plate was good in April, now he is just lost. Just give him a chance to get back on track. And like Patrick said, there aren’t a lot of choices right now.

  329. blake June 5th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    “I think McCann will get more than 75. Might be closer to 175 ..”

    I don’t think he’ll get that much as a 30 year old catcher….I think he’ll get a 4 or 5 year deal probably around 100 million or so….maybe depend how he plays the rest of the year and how healthy he is. Zobrist I’d think 3 or 4 years at 12 or so million a year……Choo maybe a little more than Swisher.

    Honestly I think you could get all three for not much more than Cano will get…..I’d be more per year of course…..but total money I bet it’d be within 50 million and you’re getting 3 players instead of one….and also youre looking at 4 or 5 year deals most likely instead of an 8 or 9 year deal.

  330. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    I don’t know why you’d get rid of Wells but the same people defend Tex. Wells will probably hit 20+ Hr’s with a low average, good D and will be better against LHP than RHP.

    They’re essentially the same player.
    —————————————————————————————-

    I don’t think they are even close to the same player and I’m far from Tex’s biggest fan.

  331. Warning Track Power June 5th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
    I said they should make some hay in the next 5 games (last 2 and next 3). So far they have. I wanted them to go 4-1 in these games so they just need to take 2 of the next 3. Then they can “afford” to lose against Felix if they do.
    ———————————————————————————————————

    a 7 game winning streak sounds very good to me.
    don’t you agree?

  332. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    i was also for moving cano this offseason. it wont kill them to sign him to a 6 year deal, so im not crazy about it, but as much as i like robbie, i think there is too much payroll risk in signing him beyond 5 seasons.

    i’d only go as far as 5/$130 for cano. im quite sure he would reject that. so i’d have traded him last offseason.

    no that doesnt mean i’d trade him at the trade deadline because i wouldnt unless they are out of it.

  333. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    blake,

    Regardless of the dollar amounts I would absolutely take McCann, Choo and Zobrist over Cano. Not even close IMO

  334. Dill Pickler June 5th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Trisha, I agree, time will tell. The question is, when do you decide that the time has told?

    As always, I respect your opinion and love your optimism. From all accounts Vernon’s a great guy, a great clubhouse presence, and a guy to root for. Even if he weren’t, I’d root for him cause he’s a Yankee. But at some point you have to be realistic and run somebody else out there. I’d have loved to see what Boesch could do with a real opportunity.

  335. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    The Yankees of old would re-sign Cano and ALSO go get McCann and Choo

  336. blake June 5th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    I really want McCann….he would mash at YS

  337. blake June 5th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    “The Yankees of old would re-sign Cano and ALSO go get McCann and Choo”

    :(

  338. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    The Yankees are too wrapped up in star power. They don’t like evenly distributing salaries across the roster. Adding some combination of 2 of Choo, Zobrist, McCann conflicts with their style.

    They’re going to want to play it cautious as usual and lock down the face of a franchise.

    I believe they will sign Cano. If the plan is to let him go, what guarantee do the Yankees have that Choo, Zobrist and/or McCann will choose here over other destinations? What guarantee do they have that Cano doesn’t bolt for a big deal in LA while the Yankees are locked in negotiations with these other guys?

    With Cano at least they have a track record. Cano has acknowledged that staying put here has some advantages.

  339. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    I think Zobrist could be in at 3 years $39 mil

    Swisher got 4 and $56 so figure Choo gets 5 years $75

    McCann’s 30, coming off an injury – maybe 4 years $56

    So that’s $42 million towards next year’s payroll

  340. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    I really want McCann….he would mash at YS

    All 3 players you are talking about would be awesome.. I really think McCann’s market will explode this offseason if he stays healthy. He is a plus defender, hits for power, good OBP, solid average can start 130 games if healthy, will just be hitting 30. Not many catchers you can put at his level, and even fewer that hit free agency

    And don’t even get me started on Choo, I’ve had a mancrush on him forever. That OBP ….

  341. blake June 5th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    “So that’s $42 million towards next year’s payroll”

    I think it’d cost more than that probably but that’s in the ballpark most likely….again though you’re getting 3 players instead of one. Of course it may not fit Hal’s budget

  342. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    McCann would be the perfect to take up that 3 or so year bridge to when Sanchez is ready.

  343. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 5th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    “I’d have loved to see what Boesch could do with a real opportunity.”

    DAMN!

    Love Boesch.

    :(

  344. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    blake,

    Regardless of the dollar amounts I would absolutely take McCann, Choo and Zobrist over Cano. Not even close IMO
    ___________________________________________________________
    would you take mccann, choo and anibal sanchez over cc?

  345. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Choo is like a Bobby Abreu light, he would be amazing on the Yankees

  346. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Blake is there any match between the Yankees and Braves on the trade front for McCann? Obviously they need relief pitching. What about starters? What about Romine?

  347. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    “The Yankees are too wrapped up in star power. They don’t like evenly distributing salaries across the roster.”

    I agree!

  348. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    would you take mccann, choo and anibal sanchez over cc?

    Probably not but this discussion is kind of going off track.

  349. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Obviously they need relief pitching

    Joba for McCann straight up, thank me later Cashman

  350. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    joba and what for mccann? theres no way atlanta’s giving up mccann for just joba. no way.

  351. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Uh it was a joke…

  352. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Joba + Murphy + Jose Ramirez.

    Would that be enough for McCann?

  353. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Most “casual” fans would scream bloody murder if the Yankees didn’t make a serious effort to sign Cano.

  354. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    And what about Granderson + Hughes for Choo?

  355. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    And what about Granderson + Hughes for Choo?

    Why on Earth would the Reds trade Choo

  356. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    And one of the LoHud explanations for the Yankees’ lower attendance is that they were/are lacking star power sans Jeter, Arod, Tex, etc. I think that’s at least partly true, and the guys with the money probably think that as well. See the Ichiro signing as a smaller scale example.

  357. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    I wouldn’t give up Jose Ramirez… he looked great in spring training and they could use cost controlled starters.

  358. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    i know they have gattis, but i just dont think they intend to move mccann while they are in first place.
    imo if the braves think they have a shot to go all the way, they will keep mc cann all season.

  359. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    choo is an fa after this season but again, if the reds think they can win, they’re not going to trade him.

  360. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Reds are 36-23 so yeah I think they can win

  361. blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    “And don’t even get me started on Choo, I’ve had a mancrush on him forever. That OBP …”

    he can’t hit lefties at all but he just murders RHP…..like maybe better than Cano murders them. Him and Vern would be a nice Duo

  362. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Let’s sign Cano, Choo and McCann and skimp on the rotation. No Kuroda. No Andy.

    Adams can play 2B instead of Zobrist.

  363. blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    “Blake is there any match between the Yankees and Braves on the trade front for McCann? Obviously they need relief pitching. What about starters? What about Romine?”

    I don’t think they’ll trade him to be honest…..they are a title contender so I see them more as as buyer than a seller.

  364. blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Gattis can catch but he’s more bat than catcher…..if he can play OF enough to keep his bat in the lineup then the Braves will likely just catch McCann and let them both hit.

  365. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    The only way the Braves would trade McCann is if they think they are getting major league player(s) that will help at positions of need. Like 2B, bullpen, etc

    They would probably take a Cano for McCann swap :)

  366. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    yankees attendance exploded with the dynasty team, followed by arod and then the new stadium.
    it was almost twice what it averaged for decades before.

    without a dynasty an arod type player and in an no longer brand new stadium, attendace was bound to go down some, its hard to sustain abnormally high attendance year after year after year.

    id have to say i have secretly yearned for the days when you could spread out on the empty seat next to you and put you legs over the chair in front of you and you could go buy tickets at the stadium on opening day. i always want the team to win but i just like a little space around me.

  367. blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    I’d like to try and pry away Peraza from the Braves for Joba or something…..

  368. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    i dont think the braves will hand the catcher’s job to a rookie during a championship run. gattis is great believe me i have him on half my fbb teams, but if they think they can go all the way, they are not moving mccann.

  369. Warning Track Power June 5th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    I learned this today: Had to share with the rest of you:

    Babe Ruth wore a cabbage leaf under is cap to keep him cool. He changed it every 2 innings.

  370. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Well the other problem is that the Yankees are going to need to sign a pitcher. Assuming Andy, Hughes and Kuroda all leave that means the rotation would be:

    CC
    Phelps
    Pineda
    Nova
    Nuno

    That’s pretty thin.

    I think they could get McCann, Zobrist and probably a guy like Garza

  371. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Most “casual” fans would scream bloody murder if the Yankees didn’t make a serious effort to sign Cano.
    _

    So?

  372. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    I’d like to try and pry away Peraza from the Braves for Joba or something…..
    ——————–

    I think you probably have more trade value at this point than Joba does.

    If you want something back for a relief pitcher – the guy to offer up is Boone Logan.

  373. blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Im hopeful Kuroda will pitch another year considering he’s awesome.

  374. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    wtp i remember hearing rizzuto talking about that many many moons ago. it wasnt just ruth, that was a not uncommon way to keep cool in extreme heat back then. cabbage is very dense and keeps cold a long time.

  375. Chip June 5th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Blake,

    Kuroda has said he would like to return to pitch in Japan before he retires. He’ll be 39 next season – not sure how many years he’ll have before he retires.

  376. blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    I’d trade Boonie too probably for a good SS prospect

  377. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees will sign any of McCann, Garza, Choo, Zobrist :(

    They are going to stick to this absurd 189 plan and it’s going to suck.

  378. blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Kuroda might decide to go back to Japan but man is he pitching well….he doesn’t look close to finished pitch at 39 here then go back to Japan at 40 Hiro.

  379. blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    ” don’t think the Yankees will sign any of McCann, Garza, Choo, Zobrist ”

    I think they’ll sign Cano to a 25 per AAV contract and probably do nothing else…..

  380. Patrick June 5th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    I think they’ll sign Cano to a 25 per AAV contract and probably do nothing else…..

    This :(

  381. Pat M. June 5th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Cabbage head has been around a long time….It does help, now if they ever came up with something to help your feet on 100 degree days….

  382. bigdan22 June 5th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Here’s something that’s news at least to me.

    I’ve been acting under the assumption that the Yanks have no real legal grounds to void Arod’s contract. I just read an article from BusinessWeek that references a sports law expert who states that Arod’s contract may be voidable if the Yanks can prove his PED usage led to his injuries. That’s the first time I heard that. Now Arod’s doctor has stated publicly that his hip condition was congenital. Something he was born with. But couldn’t it be argued then that steroids allowed Arod to train harder, thereby increasing his strength and putting more stress on his hip joints leading to his injuries? That doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. In litigation, all you really need to do is make an argument strong enough to get past a motion to dismiss, then you are in the world of settlement and anything is possible.

    With close to $100MM at stake here for the Yanks, allocating a couple million in legal fees to get out from under this obligation makes some business sense. Like to know if anyone else has heard of this line of reasoning.

  383. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    call me crazy but i’ve always believe what hal said that he wont go under $189 if the team can’t compete at that level. he has been consistent in saying that for a long time and he said it again the other day.

    id say that it looks to me as if they will have to give up the plan for next year, but we wont know till this season is over. but then we’ll find out.

    i actually expect the yankees to sign cano and go over $189 next season and push the plan back for two years. then the next cba will come into play but it may well be much like this one regarding the LT.

    we’ll see.

  384. Jesus Bustero June 5th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Why not stick with Adams? Zobrist will be 33 next year. His OPS is below .700. Plus the Rays have a reasonable option on his contract for 2014 (not to mention 2015).

    The guys I want are Cano, Choo, McCann, in that order.

    Kuroda is a distant honorable mention.

  385. blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    “Something he was born with. But couldn’t it be argued then that steroids allowed Arod to train harder, thereby increasing his strength and putting more stress on his hip joints leading to his injuries? ”

    it could be argued sure but really not proven…..I doubt they’d win on those grounds

  386. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    “But couldn’t it be argued then that steroids allowed Arod to train harder, thereby increasing his strength and putting more stress on his hip joints leading to his injuries?”

    Sure, but that’s a question of fact that would probably be resolved by which side’s experts are more compelling.

    In real life, this case would probably be ripe for a settlement.

    In MLB, I have no idea what will happen.

    “With close to $100MM at stake here for the Yanks, allocating a couple million in legal fees to get out from under this obligation makes some business sense. Like to know if anyone else has heard of this line of reasoning.”

    A-Rod could easily spend just as much.

  387. jacksquat June 5th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Rich in NJ says:June 5, 2013 at 5:18 pmMost “casual” fans would scream bloody murder if the Yankees didn’t make a serious effort to sign Cano._So?

    All you had to do was read my next post about star power.

  388. Tyler June 5th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    I think Adams would hit if given a full season at 2B (there would be some struggles but they would have to patience with him). Not at Cano levels but I don’t the Yanks would be hurt by 2B production.

  389. Rich in NJ June 5th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    “All you had to do was read my next post about star power.”

    There’s a lot of posts here!!!!

    OK, so your point is lack of star power is the common explanation. But the current star, Cano, isn’t proving to be a draw, and the cost of multiple superstars is prohibitive, so why not just put the best team on the field and see what happens, rather than the veteran castoffs that makeup too much of this roster.

  390. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    @based_ball 2m

    Vernon Wells 2012: 88 wRC+. Vernon Wells 2013: 91 wRC+.

  391. bigdan22 June 5th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    My point is Blake, in big time litigation you don’t have to win. You just need a possibility of winning which opens up if you get past the key pre-trial motion. And the burden of getting past that is pretty low. Which actually begs the question, I’m not sure what is the proper forum for trying to void an MLB contract. If it’s civil court, well then everything I said applies. Would this go to arbitration? A similar procedure my apply there as well, with pre-trial dismissal motions and expert testimony.

    But if the Yanks can get into real litigation with Arod’s contract, all of a sudden settlement starts looking good for both sides. Arod might take 60-70MM to go away if his downside risk is losing $100MM. The Yanks would easily spend $5MM in legal fees to save $30MM. And not having Arod around as a distraction may be good for both sides.

  392. joecembrale June 5th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Yanks had 42,000 for a weekday matinee, maybe thats a start.

  393. BIG AL June 5th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    What stops the slim bucket Bosch from adding any players name to his hand written list, just to please the bigger slim bucket Selig? Bosch is trying to save himself, and will testify to whatever Selig wants in order to save himself. How is it that MLB has been testing these players very carefully, yet they never tested positive, other than those that were caught and suspended. A-Rod has not tested positive since the rules change, but Selig has it in for him, and will do ANYTHING to add his head to his trophy wall. Selig is the one most responsible for this mess getting out of hand.

  394. austinmac June 5th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    The burden of proof is preponderance of the evidence–more likely than not. A far lower standard than the criminal one.

  395. austinmac June 5th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Al,

    I would enjoy cross examining Bosch. There is so much to work with in addition to his motivation.

  396. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Yankees face the Mariners worst 3 starters. Good thing they finally miss Felix.

  397. bigdan22 June 5th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    The key burden here is the quantum of facts and law necessary to avoid a motion to dismiss. That’s much lower than preponderance of evidence in a civil action. That’s what will get you to a place where you can start talking settlement.

  398. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Yankees face the Mariners worst 3 starters. Good thing they finally miss Felix.

    Hate to be the bearer of bad news but did you check sundays probables…

  399. BIG AL June 5th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    mac -

    This is like asking a criminal, after he’s caught, A-Rod was there with you, wasn’t he .. wink, wink. If you are willing to testify to that, we’ll let you go free, OK.

  400. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    No team is suing a player over steroids to void a contract. Least of all the new york yankees vs a-rod.

  401. joecembrale June 5th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Four game series, Captain, we draw Felix on Sunday

  402. joecembrale June 5th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Would be great if Bosch pulls a Frankie Pantangelli…

  403. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    JF – Stats scare people here. No need for that. Rather live off of hope and imagination.

  404. austinmac June 5th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    The crowd today was very big for a Wednesday afternoon game against Cleveland. Maybe people are appreciating. The great thing the Yankees have going for them is the Mets.

  405. Warning Track Power June 5th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    blake June 5th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
    “Something he was born with. But couldn’t it be argued then that steroids allowed Arod to train harder, thereby increasing his strength and putting more stress on his hip joints leading to his injuries? ”

    it could be argued sure but really not proven…..I doubt they’d win on those grounds
    —————————————————————————————————————–
    Question for everybody. Nelson Cruz has been linked to the 20 or so players.
    Any chance his hamstring injuries are a direct result of his PED use?
    Or, could it be that he went down the PED road because of his constant pulled hamstrings he has suffered in his career??

  406. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    my prediction: arod will play for the yankees this year. probably pretty soon maybe before the asb. the yankees will hate it, but the arbitration process will take longer than his rehab and they will not be able to stop it.

    then he’ll be suspended 50 games after an arbitration hearing that will take place late this season or in the offseason. then he’ll come back and finish next season with the yankees collecting the one and only hr bonus from his contract.

    after next season the yankees and arod will come to a settlement and arod will retire.

  407. tomingeorgia June 5th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Anyone notice we won today? CC pulled the freight, guys hit enough. Done deal. So all we can talk about is legal manoeuvres to avoid the CBA. Good win today, boys.

    I watch every game I can, but I pay attention more to series. Win series, you’re in the playoffs. A couple of weeks is much more valuable than nine innings when you look at a team. The last week or so was awful, then you sweep. Does the sweep matter? In W-L terms, sure it does. 10 games in the West, which I probably won’t see any of unless there is an afternoon game or two, will make a difference. How about 7-3? Can be done.

  408. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Good to see McCann trending on Lohud. I would love it. Probably means it won’t happen though. Let’s just get Shoppach and deal with it.

  409. Captain Clutch June 5th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Hate to be the bearer of bad news but did you check sundays probables…
    ————–

    Next time I will know not to listen to Sterling. On the radio earlier he mentioned the other 3 starters and never mentioned his name. Like it was a 3 game series.

  410. champ809 June 5th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Here’s where these markets most likely climb to this offseason;

    Choo – 5-6years @ 18MM per total $ 90-100MM

    McCann- 4-5years @ 15- 17MM per total $ 70-85MM

    Zobrist- 5years @ 15MM per total $ 75MM

    Garza 4-5years @ 18.5- 20MM per total $ 75-100MM

    As such the chances of any of these players being on the Yanks next season are very slim. If the Yanks were to scrap the $189MM budget they may make a play for McCann.

    I think they would be more inclined to convince Hiro to come back for 1 more season than sign Garza.

    It really kinda makes no sense to espouse the wisdom of replacing Robbie over $ for 3 guys who will command $’s at the top of their markets. Any combination of these players is going to out produce Robbie just on sheer volume although he’s the 1 to most likely produce at an “elite” level. The fact is that Robbie’s most likely going to cost $25MM per season where and 3 combo of the guys being mentioned is going to cost at least 2X that and the premise here is the expense of keeping robbie in the fold.

    I’d rather the Yanks say extend Cano and sign McCann for 3 years, let’s say, or Robbie and Choo but again the flaw in these points is that neither McCann nor Choo nor Zobrist is going to take less $ per/shorter length terms to play anywhere much less the Yanks so why should Robbie. All these guys have agents whose #1 priority is their client not the teams needs and there own respective families as well. If the Mariners are willing to go 7years to bring Choo back home he’ll be in seattle.

  411. bigdan22 June 5th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Ok so what do the Yanks need to try to do to go after Arod’s contract. First they need law. If this sports law expert from Tulane is right they may already have that. Then they need facts. They need to show Arod used PEDs during the period of his Yankee contract. Now this Biogenesis matter does become significant. Even though I suspect serious problems with the quality of the evidence uncovered in the investigation so far, once again you don’t need all that much factually to defeat a motion to dismiss.

    So I guess the Yanks will have to wait for the Biogenesis findings, whenever that comes out. You’ll know they’ll be thinking lawsuit if the Yanks come out firing bullets at Arod right away. You can’t sue someone you want to help you get to the World Series. That don’t work. They’ll be a ‘throwing under the bus” period for sure if the Yanks truly want to sue. That will be the key indicator.

  412. austinmac June 5th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Rusty Hardin and criminal lawyers for a long time have been arguing motivation to testify against someone. Not all that different than arguing financial motivation in civil cases but what is more of a motivation than staying out of jail. What do I need to remember? Ah yes, now it is coming back to me.

  413. champ809 June 5th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    If it can be proven that Arod attempted to buy Biogenesis’s archives for the purpose of destroying them to hide his guilt then that would be obstruction of justice and that may be grounds to void his contract and fight it out in court. That’s the only possible window I can see for the Yanks to exploit.

  414. austinmac June 5th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    YS,

    What what I have read AROD is only takes ground balls directly at him and taking dry swings. That sounds like, to me, far more than five weeks to be ready.

    Let’s hope Jeter gets word to move forward from his doctor today.

  415. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    the yankees will let this year play itself out regarding arod. they have no choice, they’re not buying him out and as long as they have to pay him they will use whatever offense he can give them.

  416. bigdan22 June 5th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    I don’t think just breaking the law, even if it’s a felony like obstruction, is a basis for voiding an MLB contract. I think this expert from Tulane is saying you must break the law in such a way that prevents you from playing the game and performing under the contract. So I guess, if a player shoots his neighbor and goes to jail for it, he can’t play so the contract can be voided. If he take steroids and gets injured because he’s been taking steroids, the contract can be voided as well. At least that’s how think this may work.

  417. tomingeorgia June 5th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    blake,
    I think it was you who said that these MLB leaks/revelations suck the life out of the game on the field. Sure sucked the life out of the blog. If it wasn’t you, then props to whoever it was. Front offices and court tactics don’t play baseball. Entertaining game on the field today.

  418. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    teixiera progressed quickly from swinging in the pool to playing starting his minor league rehab. arod may not take that long either.

    waldman said today that pineda’s “rehab clock” starts when he pitches in A ball on saturday. from that point the yankees can only keep him on the dl for 30 days then he has to be assigned to a team (pineda has options and is likely to go to scranton at first.)

    idk if the position players clock is 30 days, i think it’s shorter.

  419. joecembrale June 5th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    tomingeorgia June 5th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    Anyone notice we won today? CC pulled the freight, guys hit enough. Done deal. So all we can talk about is legal manoeuvres to avoid the CBA. Good win today, boys.

    I watch every game I can, but I pay attention more to series. Win series, you’re in the playoffs. A couple of weeks is much more valuable than nine innings when you look at a team. The last week or so was awful, then you sweep. Does the sweep matter? In W-L terms, sure it does. 10 games in the West, which I probably won’t see any of unless there is an afternoon game or two, will make a difference. How about 7-3? Can be done.

    CC was great today. Knowing that the bullpen was short, he did something the sabermaticians never can calculate; with 6-0 lead, he simply extended himself by throwing less pitches and tried to let the Indians hit the ball and get themselves out, he gave up four runs by doing this, but in the 8th and 9th he put the hammer down and threw finished the game with around 115 pitches. Thats what a real team player does and you derive it from a boxscore.

  420. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    idk if the position players clock is 30 days, i think it’s shorter.

    Its less I’m pretty sure, 20-25 days maybe?

  421. bigdan22 June 5th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Front offices and court tactics may not play baseball, but they often decide who does. See the Seitz McNally decision which changed everything in the game. It’s always good to be historical.

  422. Pat M. June 5th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    For what it’s worth, there’s a few clubs who have dispatched their evaluators to follow the Yanks on this western swing. Eyes are on Joba

  423. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    the yasiel puig show will be in NYS on the 18th. i may have to be there…

  424. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    but will donnie baseball be there?

  425. tomingeorgia June 5th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    bigdan22 June 5th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
    Front offices and court tactics may not play baseball, but they often decide who does. See the Seitz McNally decision which changed everything in the game. It’s always good to be historical.
    —————-
    bigdan, I can’t change what courts do, nor am I going to look up legal precedents. That’s what lawyers are for. But we’re playing baseball right now. Nice game today, all I’m saying. Next year is next year. ARod’s guilty or not. Can you predict what’ll happen next? I can’t. Let’s just do 3 of 4 in Seattle.

  426. MTU June 5th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Good afternoon.

    Just checking in.

    I see we won another one.

    :)

  427. Bo knows June 5th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    I’m waiting for the run Gardner off, brigade. Not one of them mentioned that Gardner has changed his base, no longer hitting flat footed and slapping the ball. A well struck single brings a man in from second base, where as a bunt or slap hit move him up one base. So he has changed his approach and it takes time to adjust.

    No need to talk about Gardner’s defense, it’s probably in the top two or three in CF. His range is excellent, he’s reading the ball off the bat much better and there are few high light reel catches. Well there were a couple in the Mets series, where he showed great range as well as timing.

  428. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    i think the issue of when and whether arod comes back is a pretty important matter to this team that won today.

    and it so happens that his availability to play for this yankees team is in some question i read somewhere.

    but it was a good win for the pinstripes today. im really excited for gardner who’s having the kind of season i was hoping for this offseason. keep it up gardy!

  429. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    yeah, bo knows!

  430. MTU June 5th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Pat M.-

    That’s great.

    Hope they like what they see enough to want to make a deal.

    Chamberlain has no future w the Yankees.

    I’d love to see them get something worthwhile for him.

  431. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....-new-life/

    Gardners IsoP has increased by 50 and is now higher than average (before it’d be well below).

  432. Bo knows June 5th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    That’s the other thing that is glossed over. The Yankee OF defense is the best I’ve seen. I seem to remember a couple of very nice Wells catches, going into the gap, and there was Gardner pulling up behind him. Gardner’s range horizontally is elite.

  433. tomingeorgia June 5th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    JF, what in hell is “IsoP”?

  434. bigdan22 June 5th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    The McNally decision is not about law really. It’s about baseball and baseball history. It’s easily the most significant moment in baseball in the last 50 years. Without it, no George Steinbrenner, or Reggie Jackson or CC. And the funny thing is, nobody knew it was coming. It just happened. Sort of. It was really arranged by the most influential person in all of American sports. His initials were MM too.

  435. Jerkface June 5th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    IsoP = isolated power, SLG – AVG, the portion of SLG that is provided by actually hitting for power.

    SLG is a good short hand to know who has power but it doesn’t always work that way.

    A guy who hits .250/.350/.450 vs a guy who hits .320/.350/.500. The latter has a higher SLG but hits for less true power than the first guy.

  436. UnKnown June 5th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    I like Gardner a lot. Does a lot of cool things for the club.

  437. Ys Guy June 5th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    ISO

    Isolated Power (ISO) is a measure of a hitter’s raw power. Or, to look at it another way, it measures how good a player is at hitting for extra bases. The simplest way to calculate ISO is to subtract a player’s Batting Average from their Slugging Percentage, which leaves us with a measure of just a player’s extra bases per at bat.id trade hughes and joba.

  438. Pat M. June 5th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Bo Knows……I’ll try once again to fall in love with Brett Gardner, I just have trouble seeing him as an everyday ballplayer…..

  439. Bo knows June 5th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Well, I’m on record for a while talking about Gardner’s change in setup.

    Even in the article the author is talking about results, not mechanics. I’m puzzled that it has not surfaced. It takes one look at his swing this year vs 2012.

  440. tomingeorgia June 5th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    JF,
    Boy, talk about parsing. Thanks.

  441. MTU June 5th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    I don’t think anyone questions GGBG’s D.

    Do they ?

  442. theREALkevin June 5th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    “I think you probably have more trade value at this point than Joba does.”

    The guy throws 97 and has a decent slider when he doesn’t get too happy with it. He’s also relatively young still. He has value.

  443. MTU June 5th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    New one —–>

  444. Bo knows June 5th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Pat

    I bit my tongue the other day when you were going on about Crisp. Don’t do that often.

    I thought you would have noticed the change as it seemed so obvious to me.

    Gardner is no longer passive at the plate, well maybe let’s try, less passive. You don’t do a major overhaul overnight. But I’ve been excited about his approach this year, to where I’m making sure to watch his at bats. There are a lot less defensive swings in his repertoire. This is the type of thing I enjoy – players developing at the Majors level.

  445. YankeesHub June 5th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Thank you, oh, thank you, CC, for allowing us to rest Mo and D-Rob, and not having to bring Joba in!

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