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Pitching matchups in Seattle

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 06, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
RHP Phil Hughes (2-4, 5.37)
vs.
RHP Aaron Harang (2-5, 5.82)
10:10 p.m., YES Network

Friday
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (6-4, 2.59)
vs.
RHP Jeremy Bonderman (0-1, 13.50)
10:10 p.m., YES Network

Saturday
LHP Andy Pettitte (4-3, 4.17)
vs.
LHP Joe Saunders (4-5, 5.20)
4:10 p.m., YES Network

Sunday
RHP David Phelps (4-3, 4.15)
vs.
RHP Felix Hernandez (7-4, 2.58)
4:10 p.m., YES Network

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104 Responses to “Pitching matchups in Seattle”

  1. G. Love June 6th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Shame,

    Rummy’s Regret

  2. Warning Track Power June 6th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Slightly off topic-
    I have so much respect for Derek Jeter because he does not participate in
    Twitter.
    Thank You!!

  3. pat June 6th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    FPilierePG
    Back by popular demand, in the next hr our PG draft chat will launch early where I’ll be at your disposal all the way thru the draft

  4. MTU June 6th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    I’m out.

    Time to get some exercise.

    later.

  5. Hassey June 6th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Phelps excellent on road…big stadium…I’m feeling that he’ll outduel Queen Felix

  6. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Warning Track Power,

    Government agencies make deals with people all the time for their testimony against other people. Frank Lucas was a major drug kingpin who was used by the NYPD and District Attorney to take down dirty cops in exchange for considerations. That’s what MLB is doing here. They’re offering to drop their lawsuit in exchange for Bosch’s help cleaning up their house.

    They did the same thing with Radomski and McNamee for the Mitchell Report.

  7. Warning Track Power June 6th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Chip
    I know how the process works. I am somewhat familiar with the steps MLB is taking
    in order to take down these players.

    My problem is with Tony Bosch. I’m sorry, but in my eyes this man can not be trusted
    to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
    I also can not trust MLB as well.
    MLB is on a mission and they are not above telling more lies to save face.

  8. tomingeorgia June 6th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Mr. MTU,
    Another Deming fan, who’da thunk it! Yanks should haul out the old 4Q textbooks, but then, so should every other organization.

  9. Warning Track Power June 6th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Curious to learn if the M’s make any moves before the game today to
    get fresh arms in the pen for the Yankees series.
    Noesi threw 69 pitches yesterday
    Farg threw 36
    Capps 23
    Medina 18

  10. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Warning Track Power June 6th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Chip
    I know how the process works. I am somewhat familiar with the steps MLB is taking
    in order to take down these players.

    My problem is with Tony Bosch. I’m sorry, but in my eyes this man can not be trusted
    to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
    I also can not trust MLB as well.
    MLB is on a mission and they are not above telling more lies to save face.
    —————-

    Everyone in the process has dirt under their fingernails. The dealer, the league, the players who have lied about their usage. The arbitration panel won’t have the proverbial busload of nuns to pick from. It’s a matter of which scummy group do they believe least.

  11. pat June 6th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “…..dropping the lawsuit MLB filed against him earlier this year and paying his legal bills, indemnifying him for any civil liability that arises from his cooperation and providing him with personal security.”

    It would be interesting to know what type of a civil liability they are anticipating to indemnify him from? HIPPA violation? Confidentiality agreement? Defamation? Slander?

  12. RadioKev June 6th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    MLB is on a mission and they are not above telling more lies to save face.
    ———

    MLB is on a mission to suspend PED users by whatever means necessary. The players are also not above lying to our faces.

  13. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    RadioKev June 6th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    MLB is on a mission and they are not above telling more lies to save face.
    ———

    MLB is on a mission to suspend PED users by whatever means necessary. The players are also not above lying to our faces.
    —————-

    That’s correct – such as creating false websites, saying they didn’t know what they were taking, claiming the sample was tainted….

  14. RadioKev June 6th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    “Everyone in the process has dirt under their fingernails. The dealer, the league, the players who have lied about their usage. The arbitration panel won’t have the proverbial busload of nuns to pick from. It’s a matter of which scummy group do they believe least.”

    Bingo. This will come down to who presents their side best.

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    “My problem is with Tony Bosch. I’m sorry, but in my eyes this man can not be trusted
    to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”

    Seriously?

    Desperate Times Call For Desperate Measures In The Case Of Tony Bosch

    By no means is it a surprise to anyone that Bosch would seek protection from Major League Baseball in return for damning evidence that could confirm suspicions as well expose two of the sport’s biggest names as liars and cheaters. Bosch doesn’t care about the integrity of the sport, the health of its players or even the social responsibilities that accompany America’s national pastime. The grim reality of insurmountable legal odds and exorbitant fees due to the lawsuit Major League Baseball filed against him for tortious interference have forced Bosch into a dark corner. The intense pressure, financial ruins and emotional damage to family and friends have simply overwhelmed him as Bosch is now at the mercy of Major League Baseball. The fear of potential prosecution by the federal government for obstruction of justice is also another motivating factor for a man that has clearly run out of options.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/wa.....ony-bosch/

    This is a man who is about to sing like a canary. And let there be no question that MLB realizes that it can no longer falter when it comes to moving on anything that becomes public knowledge regarding PEDs.

    Big brother is watching. That keeps Bud up at night.

  16. pat June 6th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    “Everyone in the process has dirt under their fingernails.”

    Then legally the burden of clean hands doctrine wouldn’t be met and any suit brought should be dismissed.

  17. Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    “Then legally the burden of clean hands doctrine wouldn’t be met and any suit brought should be dismissed.”

    That only applies in a court of equity, but since no one is seeking money damages, it probably should have applicability.

  18. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    According to Wikipedia, Twitter allows users to send information up to 140 characters.

    Perhaps Shame that’s why you haven’t heard the names of the 20 players? I heard them three days ago on WEEI. I didn’t bother memorizing them or would recite them for you. The point is the information is public. All 20 names are out there.

    I’ll check the EEI website and other places, and if they are listed there, I’ll post them here.

  19. kd June 6th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    trade arod for josh hamilton and be done with it

  20. blake June 6th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    @FPilierePG: If you’re a “draft expert” today and don’t mention Rob Kaminsky when talking about best left-handed curveballs, you don’t have credibility.

  21. 86w183 June 6th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Our legal eagles on this site might be able to confirm/refute this, but I believe that the only civil litigation MLB can “indemnify” Bosch from if from MLB itself. MLB cannot protect Bosch from any legal action taken against him by former clients/customers or anyone else.

    Witnesses against bad people are often bad people. It comes down to how credible this guy is behind closed doors.

  22. pat June 6th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Statement from Alex…..

    Myself and others are being mentioned in a media report before the process is even concluded. I would hope this thing would follow the guidelines of our basic agreement. I will monitor the situation and comment when appropriate. As I’ve said previously, I am working out every day to get back on the field and help the Yankees win a championship.

  23. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    “Then legally the burden of clean hands doctrine wouldn’t be met and any suit brought should be dismissed.”

    That only applies in a court of equity, but since no one is seeking money damages, it probably should have applicability.
    ————–

    There’s also a difference between a court of law run by the government or civil authorities and an arbitration hearing.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    The league has dirt under its fingernails? Although MLB, aka Bud Selig, is one of my least favorite entities, where in this particular process does the league have dirt under its fingernails?

    How does this differ from the state offering a deal to a person serving time or potentially serving time to get the person to cooperate to bring about justice in a case in front of them? It happens every day of the week.

  25. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    86w183 June 6th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Our legal eagles on this site might be able to confirm/refute this, but I believe that the only civil litigation MLB can “indemnify” Bosch from if from MLB itself. MLB cannot protect Bosch from any legal action taken against him by former clients/customers or anyone else.

    Witnesses against bad people are often bad people. It comes down to how credible this guy is behind closed doors.
    ——————

    That’s correct. And here’s the other thing, as long as we’re talking about Bosch’s credibility:

    If Bosch is lying, or if an arbitration panel concludes that he’s not reputable enough to base their decision off of – then Braun, Alex, Melky and everyone else he gives up can come after him for damages in an actual court. That’s a lot of risk for him to take.

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    “Witnesses against bad people are often bad people. It comes down to how credible this guy is behind closed doors.”

    And you can bet your sweet bippy that he is going to do everything he can to get as much leniency as he can. I’m not thinking that a man in his position is about to skirt the truth. Perjury isn’t a pretty prosecution.

  27. gallagwar June 6th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    “Witnesses against bad people are often bad people. It comes down to how credible this guy is behind closed doors.”

    So PED users are automatically bad people?

  28. tomingeorgia June 6th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    My question to the lawyers: Who gets billed for hours on lohud?

  29. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Again, in an effort to change the subject:

    Milwaukee gets: Nova, Betances, Joba, Ichiro and Mason Williams

    Yankees get: Lucroy, Carlos Gomez and Aramis Ramirez

    Milwaukee ends up with a couple of live arms in Nova and Betances as well as a solid outfield prospect in Mason Williams and they get out from the contract of Aramis Ramirez

    Yankees get a solid catcher who can hit, an up and coming outfielder which they desperately need and some right handed power for their lineup.

  30. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    gallagwar June 6th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    “Witnesses against bad people are often bad people. It comes down to how credible this guy is behind closed doors.”

    So PED users are automatically bad people?
    —————-

    They are in baseball terms.

  31. pat June 6th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    “Bosch is lying, or if an arbitration panel concludes that he’s not reputable enough to base their decision off of – then Braun, Alex, Melky and everyone else he gives up can come after him for damages in an actual court. That’s a lot of risk for him to take.”

    MLB has agreed to pay his legal fees and indemnify him. Only risk to Bosch is to his credibility.

  32. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    “My question to the lawyers: Who gets billed for hours on lohud?”

    :lol:

    Since I am now a sole practitioner working out of my home and set my own hours, I bill myself for any time spent on lohud!

    Now if you meant who pays us for our services on lohud, since I personally do much of my work pro bono, I certainly won’t be charging!

    :D

  33. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    pat June 6th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    “Bosch is lying, or if an arbitration panel concludes that he’s not reputable enough to base their decision off of – then Braun, Alex, Melky and everyone else he gives up can come after him for damages in an actual court. That’s a lot of risk for him to take.”

    MLB has agreed to pay his legal fees and indemnify him. Only risk to Bosch is to his credibility.
    ——————-

    MLB can’t indemnify him against a 3rd party. All they can do is say that they won’t go after him. They can’t promise that the players he names won’t go after him, nor can they promise that he won’t be subject to a criminal trial if the local or federal authorities want to go after him.

  34. Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    “There’s also a difference between a court of law run by the government or civil authorities and an arbitration hearing.”

    I’m talking about the spirit of the law.

    MLB may run a star chamber for all I know, and I am unsure of the limitations, if any, on a player (or owner) seeking redress in a court of law, but this America, after all, and the spirit, if not the letter, of our traditions of due process should be afforded to players who are at risk of losing their ability to earn a living for a substantial period of time.

  35. Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    “MLB can’t indemnify him against a 3rd party.”

    Why not? They can agree to pay him whatever they want for whatever reasons they want.

  36. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    “There’s also a difference between a court of law run by the government or civil authorities and an arbitration hearing.”

    I’m talking about the spirit of the law.

    MLB may run a star chamber for all I know, and I am unsure of the limitations, if any, on a player (or owner) seeking redress in a court of law, but this America, after all, and the spirit, if not the letter, of our traditions of due process should be afforded to players who are at risk of losing their ability to earn a living for a substantial period of time.
    ————–

    Players are being afforded due process as per the agreement they signed.

    No one has been summarily suspended or banned from the league

    No one has been officially named as being under investigation by the league

    In fact the league went out and said that any player who is investigated will not have their name made public until they have exhausted the appeals process.

    What more can you ask for than that?

  37. GregD June 6th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    How does ESPN have the names then?

  38. pat June 6th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Chip

    They can’t stop players from suing him but they have promised to pay for his lawyers and to take financial responsibility resulting from those suits. That’s what indemnify means.

    MLB is taking on all his financial risk to get Bosch to testify for them.

  39. 86w183 June 6th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Bosch is not clear unless MLB has agreed to pay any settlement his former clients/customers win in civil litigation.

    My reference to “bad people” was in context of rules breakers and yes, if you are taking banned substances NOW you are a bad person as it relates to your baseball career.

    Trisha — I am not betting my Sweet Bippy…. I love my Bibby.

    I will however bet my bottom dollar… not any of my other dollars, but the bottom one.

  40. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Can we at least get the lawyers on the board to confirm if this were a trial under federal/state law this evidence is rather suspect?

    In the court of MLB, I dunno how it’ll hold up, but in a real trial any decent lawyer could have a field day for the defense.

  41. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    G. Love – Rummy’s Regret!!!!!!!!!

  42. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    “MLB can’t indemnify him against a 3rd party.”

    Why not? They can agree to pay him whatever they want for whatever reasons they want.
    ——————-

    You’re right, they can agree to cover his expenses should he lose a civil trial against the players, however if MLB was dumb enough to actually do that (and put that in writing) then if I’m the players I name MLB as a co-defendant and file a civil suit against them for slanderous defamation of character as well.

  43. bigdan22 June 6th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    It’s been pointed out here that witnesses for the prosecution (isn’t that a movie :)) are often unsavory. Perhaps the John Gotti case was one of the best example of that. I believe Sunny “The Bull” Gravano, the witness who brought down Gotti, admitted to clipping like 18 guys. But this is really a different situation. In those criminal cases, the witness and the defendant usually appear similar. Like they came from the same neighborhood. Now we know MLB players can be cheats. But when put up against a guy like Boesh, they are going to look like choir boys (ok so maybe not Arod).

    Ultimately I think this matter will come down to corroboration. Are there other witnesses? What do the records look like and how much can they be trusted. As I said earlier, if I had to choose who to rep here, I’d go with the players. Mostly because Boesh probably wouldn’t pay my bill!

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Actually they cannot indemnify him from charges of perjury. The feds will be watching closely. If they believe that he is obstructing justice by lying, they can bring him up on dual charges – obstruction of justice and perjury.

    This is a man with a lot to lose- though he has already lost just about everything. But what little he has left – any self respect and the desire to stay out of jail – he likely will want to protect.

  45. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    pat June 6th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Chip

    They can’t stop players from suing him but they have promised to pay for his lawyers and to take financial responsibility resulting from those suits. That’s what indemnify means.

    MLB is taking on all his financial risk to get Bosch to testify for them.
    ——————

    I know what it means, but I can’t imagine MLB being dumb enough to put that in writing due to the huge lawsuit it would open the league up to.

    I could understand them being willing to supply him with lawyers, but to actually cover the fees if he loses an ensuing civil suit for defamation of character doesn’t make any sort of sense.

  46. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Actually they cannot indemnify him from charges of perjury. The feds will be watching closely. If they believe that he is obstructing justice by lying, they can bring him up on dual charges – obstruction of justice and perjury.
    ———————–

    He’s not testifying in court under oath – there is no perjury hanging over his head. Should the local or federal authorities decide to bring suit against him, that’s another story.

  47. ac1 June 6th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Statement from Alex…..

    Myself and others are being mentioned in a media report before the process is even concluded. I would hope this thing would follow the guidelines of our basic agreement. I will monitor the situation and comment when appropriate. As I’ve said previously, I am working out every day to get back on the field and help the Yankees win a championship.
    ___

    This is A-Rod’s statement? If I was innocent I would be yelling it at any person that will listen. He, Braun and MLB are all the problem.

    Regarding Ys black or white argument, I will give you the middle as I did yesterday.
    1. Bud resigns – since he allowed this to happen
    2. MLB hires an independent group to do this investigation
    3. The players are punished accordingly.

    Since the punishments won’t change to hurt the players accordingly, this is the best option for this situation. I want the players punished, Bud punished, and I want more than the word of Tony Bosch.

  48. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    trisha – I haven’t seen a full list anywhere and multiple journalists are implying there are still some pretty big names on that list.

    Just hate waiting for the other shoe to drop and also how certain players are, as usual, being targeted.

  49. pat June 6th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Chip

    and yet that appears to be what MLB has done if the Daily News story is correct.

  50. Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    “Players are being afforded due process as per the agreement they signed.”

    This is a case of first impression. As in real life, the permissible limits of the process due are sometimes only determined after a specific fact pattern arises, a decision is rendered, and then is challenged, or not, by the aggrieved party.

    “No one has been summarily suspended or banned from the league.”

    That doesn’t necessarily mean that the ensuing process will be fair.

    “No one has been officially named as being under investigation by the league.

    In fact the league went out and said that any player who is investigated will not have their name made public until they have exhausted the appeals process.”

    Where do you think the leaks are coming from? Those leaks can have significant costs. Reputations are being put at risk and may not be reparable no matter what eventually transpires.

    “What more can you ask for than that?”

    I can ask that MLB doesn’t pay money for testimony.

    And I can ask that the leaks stop.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    “Can we at least get the lawyers on the board to confirm if this were a trial under federal/state law this evidence is rather suspect?”

    To me, the reason the evidence isn’t quick as suspect as one would think is because this man now realizes he can be sued from here to Sunday, and by different levels.

    If he is lying about anything, he has nothing to lose by saying he was lying – and that includes lying about the players involved. If he does that, his credibility is shot already, so he really loses nothing.

    I believe that when all is said and done, whatever the truth is, will be outed. Unless you a professional criminal or someone with money up with wazoo, when you are faced with the prospect of federal prosecution, you probably don’t hold out and hold to any lies.

    JMO

  52. gallagwar June 6th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    “Milwaukee gets: Nova, Betances, Joba, Ichiro and Mason Williams

    Yankees get: Lucroy, Carlos Gomez and Aramis Ramirez”

    Pretty lopsided trade in favor of the Yankees. The only viable trade chip they’re giving up is Mason Williams, and they’re getting three quality MLB players back. Why the hell would they want Joba (a mediocre reliever and impending free agent) and Ichiro (a washed up vet making too much money.

  53. gallagwar June 6th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    “MLB can’t indemnify him against a 3rd party.”

    They can essentially indemnify him by agreeing to pay all his legal fees.

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    “trisha – I haven’t seen a full list anywhere and multiple journalists are implying there are still some pretty big names on that list.”

    Shame, I heard all 20 names. I don’t want to throw out a name unless I’m sure of who was on the list, so let me try to find the list for you. There were some big names but as I remember certainly none bigger than Braun and Arod. And then there were players I had never heard of also.

    Let me see if I can find it.

  55. blake June 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    @ProfessorParks: Baseball Prospectus | Perfect Game Presents: MLB Mock Draft – Final http://t.co/PVGCQlC5lf (free)

    Totally different than Callis’s….if anyone has seen….who did Law have them taking in his final mock?

  56. blake June 6th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Chip,

    Id do that easy from the Yanks side….don’t know why the brewers woukd though

  57. bigdan22 June 6th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    One thing that has been lost in all this mess is that MLB’s drug policy is actually working. Anyone familiar with this game can see quite clearly the changes in players and what goes on the field since the policy as been implemented. It’s pretty dramatic. Not only is offense way down but we now look at a player’s career in a completely different way. No longer do we expect players to be productive past their early 30s. That was so different 15 years ago.

    And you know why it works? Testing, testing, testing. Why the Boesh matter is such a mess is because these are likely to be the first actions against ML players who have not tested positive. Bud, and MLB of course have the right to do this. It’s in the CBA. But what they ae really doing is buying a ton of litigation and making everyone focus on matters off the field.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Chip – arbitration is sworn testimony.

  59. Warning Track Power June 6th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Bosch is scheduled to meet with MLB tomorrow.

    How soon after will the character assassination against Bosch begin?

  60. Warning Track Power June 6th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Someone here wrote that Bosch is going to sing like a canary. That reminded me of
    The Beatles-And Your Bird Can Sign

    You tell me that you’ve got everything you want
    And your bird can sing
    But you don’t get me, you don’t get me

    You say you’ve seen seven wonders and your bird is green
    But you can’t see me, you can’t see me

    When your prized possessions start to weigh you down
    Look in my direction, I’ll be round, I’ll be round

    When your bird is broken will it bring you down
    You may be awoken, I’ll be round, I’ll be round

    You tell me that you’ve heard every sound there is
    And your bird can swing
    But you can’t hear me, you can’t hear me

  61. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    “Players are being afforded due process as per the agreement they signed.”

    This is a case of first impression. As in real life, the permissible limits of the process due are sometimes only determined after a specific fact pattern arises, a decision is rendered, and then is challenged, or not, by the aggrieved party.

    “No one has been summarily suspended or banned from the league.”

    That doesn’t necessarily mean that the ensuing process will be fair.

    “No one has been officially named as being under investigation by the league.

    In fact the league went out and said that any player who is investigated will not have their name made public until they have exhausted the appeals process.”

    Where do you think the leaks are coming from? Those leaks can have significant costs. Reputations are being put at risk and may not be reparable no matter what eventually transpires.

    “What more can you ask for than that?”

    I can ask that MLB doesn’t pay money for testimony.

    And I can ask that the leaks stop
    ————————-

    Rich,

    I don’t disagree with any one point you’re making. What I’ll tell you though is that, and I mean absolutely zero offense by this, I think you’re coming at it from a naive standpoint.

    Whether the system is “fair” or not is irrelevant – it’s the system that the players themselves agreed to. Crying foul over it now would be akin to me getting pulled over for doing 75 in a 55 and telling the cop, “but I don’t think it’s fair that you limit my speed.”

    You’re asking for secrecy – there’s no way for an organization the size of MLB to ensure that.

    No one forced the players into this situation. They were given an option, “follow these guidelines that your union agrees to, or find another profession.”

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    “How does ESPN have the names then?”

    I don’t think it’s a big deal for the 20 players names to be out there. They’ve already said Gio Gonzalez’s was for legal substances.

    Corroboration is an interesting thing here. All you need is for one of the 20 players to say it’s true and then the whole thing will really fall like a house of cards.

    The stench of Arod and Braun is what lends it automatic credibility, IMO.

    Anyway, off to try to find the list of 20.

  63. blake June 6th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    @EyeOnBaseball: A-Rod notes MLB is violating Joint Drug Agreement in statement http://t.co/IKaJm8VrcJ via @cbssports

  64. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    blake June 6th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Chip,

    Id do that easy from the Yanks side….don’t know why the brewers woukd though
    ——————-

    Blake,

    Thanks for responding…seriously…can’t do more PED stuff.

    Anyway, for the Brewers I think it depends how deep into rebuild mode they want to get. They’re really bad and not getting any better. If I had to include Heathcott or Sanchez I probably would…maybe another young pitcher like Marshall or Campos as well.

  65. austinmac June 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    I’m no draft expert so I hope they draft players that others agree have ability and not go for a reach pick as Culver and Bichette were said to be on draft day.

  66. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    blake June 6th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    @EyeOnBaseball: A-Rod notes MLB is violating Joint Drug Agreement in statement http://t.co/IKaJm8VrcJ via @cbssports
    —————

    Like I said, there’s no one in this entire group with clean hands. MLB has done shady stuff, the players have done shady stuff. It taints the game as a whole and I wish we were talking about baseball instead.

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Shame – I do remember that one of the names was Jesus Montero.

  68. Ys Guy June 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    attack tony boesch and bud selig all you want.

    but does anyone here actually believe arod did NOT buy ped’s from this guy?

  69. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    WTP – I prefer ‘black bird singing in the dead of niiiiiight’ lol

  70. 86w183 June 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Yeah, that’s a GREAT trade for the Yankees.

    If you replace Joba with Phelps and Ichiro with Tyler Austin and Betances with Gary Sanchez THEN you might have Milwaukee’s attention.

    Even then Carlos Gomez is probably a deal-breaker.

  71. Warning Track Power June 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Ys Guy June 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    attack tony boesch and bud selig all you want.

    but does anyone here actually believe arod did NOT buy ped’s from this guy?
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    I don’t believe it. Right now I don’t believe it.
    Gio denied he bought PED’s and however many months later that was found to be true.
    Why can’t ARod fall in that same category?

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Chip – I’m still waiting for you to list the shady stuff that MLB has done. I am their least favorite fan, but I appreciate truth, whatever it is. So exactly what have they done that is shady. I don’t want supposition, I want fact.

    Thanks.

  73. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Warning Track Power – one difference. Bosch didn’t ask Gonzalez for money to help with his legal defense. He did ask Arod.

    I’ll let you see if you can connect the dots in a credible way.

  74. 86w183 June 6th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    I’d be more suspicious of Alex if he HAD given Anthony Bosch $$$ to help with legal fees and other expenses.

    The fact that he rejected what was a very thinly veiled blackmail attempt makes me think he had less to lose by letting him tell his tales.

    We shall see

  75. Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    “No one forced the players into this situation. They were given an option, “follow these guidelines that your union agrees to, or find another profession.””

    Chip

    Maybe I am naive (although I doubt it), but I have no problem with players being suspended for positive tests.

    I do have a problem with paying unsavory characters who supplied the drugs, and may have engaged in extortion, in order to get information that they can’t get from test results.

    It was mentioned above that this is how they get the Gotti’s of the world.

    Yes, but proportionality matters.

    IOW, it’s one thing to extend the limits of the law (e.g., broadly wiretapping phone calls) to apprehend truly evil people.

    It’s another to use these tactics to get baseball players for doing something that Selig, the owners, the GMs, the managers, and the clean players implicitly ratified for so long.

    The methods are worse than the offenses.

  76. Ys Guy June 6th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    arod, braun, evereth cabrera, melky, cervelli, colon, cruz, faustino de los santos, yasmin grandai, fernando martinez, jesus montero, jordan norberto, jhonny peralta, cesar puello, gio gonzalez (mlb has cleared him) and the rest are minor leaguers.

  77. 86w183 June 6th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Trisha —-

    MLB clearly leaked their intent to pursue suspensions for all of the guys mentioned in connection to the Bio-Genesis operation.

    That’s pretty shady in my book.

  78. Ys Guy June 6th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    people here seem more concerned with mlb paying boesch for information than they are about players paying boesch for peds.

  79. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Chip – I’m still waiting for you to list the shady stuff that MLB has done. I am their least favorite fan, but I appreciate truth, whatever it is. So exactly what have they done that is shady. I don’t want supposition, I want fact.

    Thanks.
    ————–

    Mostly they leak and try to win in the court of public opinion before the process has played out. They’ve also pretended from the get go that they didn’t know about the prominence of steroids in the game when there is absolutely no way they could be that naive or incompetent.

    They’ve leaked names throughout this process including players on the 2009 list that were supposed to be confidential.

  80. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    trisha – That was another which was reported earlier in the year.. so far those same names are the only ones I’ve seen released (Arod, Cervelli, Montero, Melky, Braun, Gio etc). All guys we’ve heard about already.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Shame – here’s a list I found on an ESPN site. It gives 15 of the 20. Unfortunately I don’t remember exactly what show or what time I heard it on ESPN or I could go to their archives and play it.

    Ryan Braun

    Everth Cabrera

    Melky Cabrera

    Francisco Cervelli

    Bartolo Colon

    Nelson Cruz

    Fautino de los Santos

    Gio Gonzalez*

    Yasmani Grandal

    Fernando Martinez

    Jesus Montero

    Jordan Norberto

    Jhonny Peralta

    Cesar Puello**

    Alex Rodriguez

    * Sources told ESPN that Gonzalez received only legal substances ** minor leaguer, not a member of the MLB Players Association

  82. Warning Track Power June 6th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    86w183 June 6th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    I’d be more suspicious of Alex if he HAD given Anthony Bosch $$$ to help with legal fees and other expenses.

    The fact that he rejected what was a very thinly veiled blackmail attempt makes me think he had less to lose by letting him tell his tales.

    We shall see
    —————————————————————————————————-
    Trisha-Personally, this is exactly how I feel.
    Imagine the firestorm the media would have created if ARod did give Bosch $$$ to help?

  83. Chip June 6th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    “No one forced the players into this situation. They were given an option, “follow these guidelines that your union agrees to, or find another profession.””

    Chip

    Maybe I am naive (although I doubt it), but I have no problem with players being suspended for positive tests.

    I do have a problem with paying unsavory characters who supplied the drugs, and may have engaged in extortion, in order to get information that they can’t get from test results.

    It was mentioned above that this is how they get the Gotti’s of the world.

    Yes, but proportionality matters.

    IOW, it’s one thing to extend the limits of the law (e.g., broadly wiretapping phone calls) to apprehend truly evil people.

    It’s another to use these tactics to get baseball players for doing something that Selig, the owners, the GMs, the managers, and the clean players implicitly ratified for so long.

    The methods are worse than the offenses.
    —————

    The problem is that MLB has to go to these lengths because of the lengths players will go to cover up their culpability.

    The League doesn’t have subpoena power, if they did then they could compel Bosch to testify without making him an offer. The Federal Government, investigating Bosch, is under no obligation to share information with MLB and nor should they. So if MLB wants to know what Bosch knows they have to reach an equitable arrangement with him. That’s what they’ve done here.

    Remember, the rule isn’t a failed test, it’s a likelihood of use. If the names in the Miami paper had come out and MLB simply said, “Well Bosch won’t talk to us there’s nothing we can do” just as many people who are outraged over the way MLB is digging for information would have been outraged at the league sitting on its hands.

  84. Ys Guy June 6th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    thousands of journalists following this biogenesis story.

    dozens of poeple involved in making the deal with boesch.

    there are about a thousand ways this story could have gotten out. it could be a leak by mlb or by arod’s people, or any of the other players or reps, or by any law clerk, secretary, jr parner, executive assistant boyfriend or girlfriend of anyone involved in the negotiations who leaked it.

    we dont for sure and never will. you may suspect mlb all you want but its just as likely not to be mlb as it is that they did leak it.

  85. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Ys Guy June 6th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    people here seem more concerned with mlb paying boesch for information than they are about players paying boesch for peds.

    ———————

    No one is really defending the players.. no one in their right mind anyway.

    The problem I have, personally, is that this is doing nothing to stop PEDs from being in baseball other than punished the absolute lowest common denominator. These guys are just the dumbest ones, not the only ones. Anyone that puts their name on a check and hands it to a guy like Bosch should be punished. I have no problem with that. But What about the guy that’s smart enough not to have someone from his inner circle purchase his product? What about the less gregarious steroid dealers out there?

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    “Mostly they leak and try to win in the court of public opinion before the process has played out. They’ve also pretended from the get go that they didn’t know about the prominence of steroids in the game when there is absolutely no way they could be that naive or incompetent.

    They’ve leaked names throughout this process including players on the 2009 list that were supposed to be confidential.”

    Show me where it says ANYWHERE that the source of any leaks has been MLB. Your supposition isn’t sufficient. No unclean hands in that.

    Remember in all of this that I despise MLB. But hell, if they’re doing something right, even if their heart isn’t in it, I’m all for it.

  87. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    MLB needs to tighten up their process though… Braun’s initially leak was bogus, so was Arod’s from the 2003 list, etc. It hurts their credibility immensely.

    The stuff that is leaking isn’t just names, but details of specific negotiations with key witnesses. WTF is that?!

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    86 and Warning- PUH-LEASE!!

    I know you both know that Arod has at least half a brain and absolutely would know that paying the guy would automatically be the final nail in his coffin.

    Bosch would not have gone near Arod if Arod didn’t have something to hide!!!

    He waited for the process to play out last time too, remember? He wasn’t terribly vocal about his innocence except to profess it when asked. Until he finally admitted guilt.

    INNOCENT PEOPLE DON’T WAIT FOR THE PROCESS TO PLAY OUT WHILE THEY DIDDLE IN THE BACKGROUND. THEY SCREAM FROM THE HIGHEST TOWER.

    I think we all know that Arod is guilty. Maybe some of us just don’t want to admit it to ourselves quite yet.

  89. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Gotcha, thanks for the list Ys and trisha.

  90. 86w183 June 6th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    ESPN has touted MLB sources in reporting that MLB will seek 100 game suspensions for A-Rod and Braun citing the contact with Bosch as one violation and lying to investigators as a second.

    There can be no other course for that part of the story.

  91. Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    “people here seem more concerned with mlb paying boesch for information than they are about players paying boesch for peds.”

    Yes, far more.

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    “The stuff that is leaking isn’t just names, but details of specific negotiations with key witnesses. WTF is that?!”

    Shame, that stuff isn’t secret. It comes out all the time. It’s part of the process!

    And by the way, Fat ORTIZ’s name was on the 2003 list too. See how much it’s hurt his credibility! NOT.

    **************

    “Braun’s initially leak was bogus”

    Which initial leak?

  93. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    INNOCENT PEOPLE DON’T WAIT FOR THE PROCESS TO PLAY OUT WHILE THEY DIDDLE IN THE BACKGROUND. THEY SCREAM FROM THE HIGHEST TOWER.

    ——————-

    Lol, it’s funny you say that since that was exactly how Clemens approached it…

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    “people here seem more concerned with mlb paying boesch for information than they are about players paying boesch for peds.”

    Sad isn’t it? The moral compass gone awry.

    Look at the state of the world and you’ll see that turning a blind eye or accepting this BS is more commonplace than not.

    I’m thankful for those who still take umbrage at wrongdoing.

    By the way, who cares that MLB is paying Bosch? You want to get to the truth don’t you.

    DON’T YOU???

  95. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    trisha – His failed drug test. That information wasn’t supposed to be out there according to MLB process.

    blake and Chip – No worries guys, once we know who our picks are tonight we’ll get back to more concrete baseball talk. Hard to talk draft without seeing the picks in MLB (IMO).

  96. 86w183 June 6th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    I don’t KNOW any such thing, but if he is guilty I hope Selig finds a way to suspend him for a decade or two.

    I’m not convinced Alex has more than a tenth of a brain that he makes use of.

    Trisha — You know full well that many innocent people are told by their legal representative to STFU. I would tell Alex that very thing since no one would believe a denial anyway.

  97. Rich in NJ June 6th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Chip

    In the context of baseball history, I don’t view PED usage as that big a deal or that unique an evil.

    They lived with “greenies” and other amphetamines until recently, which may explain changes in performance more than PEDs.

    They tolerate splitballs and greaseball and all sorts of rule breaking.

    PEDs almost certainly exist in other sports and they aren’t using gestapo tactics.

    I think this is mostly Selig trying to cleanup what he perceives as the biggest flaw in his legacy before he finally retires.

    Meanwhile, the NFL is kicking their butts.

  98. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    By the way, who cares that MLB is paying Bosch? You want to get to the truth don’t you.

    ——————-

    The question is how do you know it’s the truth if you have to pay for it? This isn’t really a black and white moral issue.

  99. Shame Spencer June 6th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    :arrow:

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 6th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    “Lol, it’s funny you say that since that was exactly how Clemens approached it…”

    Shame, I already mentioned liars who can afford to pay high-priced pros*itutes, and sociopaths. Both are exempt from the integrity category. (Clemens fits into both)

    :)

  101. blake June 6th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Chip,
    I honestly can’t either….please…..kick that fake trade brain of yours in high gear and go nuts so I have something else to read

  102. gallagwar June 6th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    “people here seem more concerned with mlb paying boesch for information than they are about players paying boesch for peds.”

    Right. MLB is blackmailing him. The players are just conducting business with him.

  103. gallagwar June 6th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    “The stuff that is leaking isn’t just names, but details of specific negotiations with key witnesses. WTF is that?!”

    $$$$.

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