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Yankees cast a wide net in the draft’s first two rounds

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 07, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In last night’s first two rounds of the amateur draft, the Yankees took a pretty wide mix of players. Their first choice was a fairly polished college hitter, and their last first-rounder was a fairly raw high school pitcher. They took an outfielder with extreme power potential, and an infielder with a small-ball approach.

“We think we had a great first day,“ amateur scouting director Damon Oppenheimer said in a released statement. “I’m excited and the staff is excited. We feel really good about what happened for us today.”

The draft resumes this afternoon with rounds 3-10, and it will conclude with rounds 11-40 on Saturday. You can get basic scouting reports on top picks from either MLB.com or Baseball America (or several other sites). Here are the basics on the four guys the Yankees drafted last night.

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3B Eric Jagielo
Notre Dame
Left-handed hitter who put up good numbers in the wood bat Cape Cod League last summer. There seems to be some question about whether he can stick at third base, but he has a fairly advanced bat, and Baseball America notes that he improved his defense and his plate discipline this season. As far as late first-round picks go, Jagielo seems like a fairly safe choice because he’s a little older, a pretty good hitter across the board, and has had success with wood bats.

Oppenheimer: “Eric Jagielo is a physical, left-handed hitter with plus power. He performed well in Cape Cod, and shows a good combination of plate discipline and power.”

No. 32
OF Aaron Judge
Fresno State
This guy is huge at 6-foot-7 and roughly 250 pounds (I’ve seen the exactly number listed differently on different sites). He’s another guy who had some Cape Cod success last summer, Judge seems like more a risk-reward player than Jagielo. As you might expect from a guy this big, he’s struck out a lot and there certainly seems to be some uncertainty about whether his raw power will play. He’s been a center fielder, but a guy that big just screams right fielder, doesn’t he?

Oppenheimer: “Aaron Judge is a big man, and obviously a great-bodied athlete who has a high upside. He can run, he has a good work ethic, he can throw and has the potential to be a five-tool guy with some size and strength.”

No. 33
LHP Ian Clarkin
Madison High School
An 18 year old who throws 92 mph — and according to Baseball America, gets up to 94 mph — from the left side, which leaves a pretty easy answer to what there is to like about him. Baseball America’s scouting report says his curveball isn’t consistent, but it can be a legitimately sharp breaking ball. He also has a changeup with potential. As with most high school pitchers, there’s some work to be done, but he’s also a powerful left-hander with some upside. Most definitely a wait-and-see kind of guy.

Oppenheimer: “Ian Clarkin has a combination of the things we were looking for. He is a left-handed pitcher with plus velocity and has a plus curveball. On top of that, he’s a tireless worker. We think we got something special with him.”

No. 66
Gosuke Katoh
Rancho Bernardo High School
The first line of MLB.com’s scouting report sums it up: “Katoh is the rare high school second baseman who is regarded as a legitimate prospect.” Most legitimate high school infielders are shortstops, maybe third basemen, but Katoh seems to be limited to second base because he doesn’t have a great arm. At the plate, he’s been a good contact hitter with speed, and Baseball America notes that he has “sneaky strength” that led to improved power this year. He’s committed to UCLA, and Baseball America tabbed him as a “tough sign” who could follow through on college.

Oppenheimer: “We were excited to get this guy in the second round. On our scale, he’s an excellent runner with great hand-eye coordination who can hit with some surprising power. He’s a really good defender, and someone that excites us.”

Photo of Jagielo from und.com

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304 Responses to “Yankees cast a wide net in the draft’s first two rounds”

  1. Hassey June 7th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Well, in huge stadiums against bad offenses, Hughes pitches lights out.

    His starts should be limited to those opportunities

  2. blake June 7th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    “Players with high ceilings are brought along too slowly…. especially in this organization.”

    I do agree they can drag their feet sometimes with players…..that said it’s not like they have had a Mike Trout or Manny Machado they could push either though.

  3. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Well now that the draft if over we’ll shift our attention to the trade deadline… what players are most likely on the move? I’m thinking we’ll see a lot of pitching moving around. Garza? Hughes? Nolasco? Lee?

    The Rays are going to have to hope Price bounces back so they can trade him next year.

  4. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Hassey June 7th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Well, in huge stadiums against bad offenses, Hughes pitches lights out.

    His starts should be limited to those opportunities

    ————————————

    Hughes does pretty well overall. I’m really confused by people’s opinions of him because I don’t know who they’ve been watching for the last 6 seasons. It’s sort of willful ignorance at this point to expect top of the rotation stuff from him and base every criticism on those unattainable expectation.

  5. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Shame-

    The Draft is far from over.

    ;)

  6. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Shame-

    The Draft is far from over.

    ;)

    ——————-

    Lol, the part that’s most likely to net value is! I caught a bit of it last night.. televising the MLB draft was a weird idea. They didn’t seem all that prepared for it from a viewer standpoint. After the first 15 picks they didn’t have a lot of debate going on. It didn’t seem like they had a lot of info on the players.

  7. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    I think Garza will be traded…..I think Headley might be…..Giancarlo possibly could be…..Lee might be…..I don’t think the Yankees will trade Hughes to be honest unless a real good deal for a bat is involved.

  8. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Knowing absolutely nothing about these players other than what I’ve heard…it sounds like they’re four good picks.

    The 3b is projected to move quickly due to his advanced training at UND and Jonathan Mayo suggested he could be in the mix by 2015 which would put him on the same timetable as Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott and JR Murphy/Gary Sanchez.

    Being that big a man with that long a swing, Judge panning out might take time if it happens at all (thinking Kyle Blanks here).

    I saw MLB Network comparing the pitcher to Kershaw – that’s probably a bit of a stretch for me. I have a hard time comparing a kid who has never pitched in pro ball to one of the best pitchers in the majors. I did find it very amusing during his pre-draft video clip when he said his favorite moment was when Arizona beat the Yankees in the world series, that he had tears of joy because he hated the Yankees so much. It’s just funny how things work out sometimes and I liked the way he didn’t get flustered when it was brought up in his post draft interview. This is an organization that has failed miserably in developing high end pitchers, so hopefully Gil Patterson being in charge has positive results for him, Hensley, Ramirez, Campos and DePaula.

    After taking three guys – I don’t mind that their fourth pick might not sign – he’s a good upside prospect if he does and if he doesn’t – well you got three guys ahead of him so that’s fine.

  9. Crawdaddy June 7th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    I think the Yankees scouting reports on Katoh are different than those listed on the various draft internet sites. I bet you they try to see if he can play SS and that his arm is stronger than what’s been reported.

  10. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    I think Garza will be traded…..I think Headley might be…..Giancarlo possibly could be…..Lee might be…..I don’t think the Yankees will trade Hughes to be honest unless a real good deal for a bat is involved.
    —————

    Yankees won’t trade Hughes for three reasons: One, they want to win this season and feel they need Hughes to accomplish that. Two, it isn’t the “Yankee way” to trade away guys during the season. Three, I can’t see anyone giving up the kind of player Blake describes for an inconsistent pitcher on the cusp of free agency when they won’t even get a draft pick for him.

  11. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Shame-

    There are always diamonds in the rough found in the later rounds.

    Matt Moore was an eigth rounder. D-Rob was taken in the later rounds.

    Albert Pujols did not go early.

    Guys like Nuno and GGBG were barely visible.

    Just sayin’.

  12. Tackelberry June 7th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Couple of guys who were thought to go in the first round are still on the board, probably cause of signability concerns. Catcher John Denney, who was heavily connected to Yanks in round 1 was not taken, and another righty power arm, Kyle Serrano.

  13. Crawdaddy June 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Jagielo and Judge need to get sign quickly so they can start playing before July. I want to see them above SI before this season is over with so they can be in position to play in the FSL by April of next year.

  14. ac1 June 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Yankees should consider trying to move some of their 2nd base prospects in the lower minors to SS. We are going to need a SS long before we need a 2B (even if Cano leaves), we have CoJo and Adams.

  15. pkyankfan69 June 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    To me, Aaron Judge looks a lot like Ritchie Sexson at the plate…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YT6Gh9YFB4

  16. Crawdaddy June 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Serrano’s father tweeted last night his son is heading to Tennessee to play for him.

  17. PacoDooley June 7th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:16 am
    Yankees won’t trade Hughes for three reasons: One, they want to win this season and feel they need Hughes to accomplish that. Two, it isn’t the “Yankee way” to trade away guys during the season. Three, I can’t see anyone giving up the kind of player Blake describes for an inconsistent pitcher on the cusp of free agency when they won’t even get a draft pick for him.

    ————————

    I also think that his value is too low to make it worthwhile, unless a team in the NL or a larger ballpark sees the upside and is willing to pay for it. The Yankees also have to weigh the fact that they can potentially get a 1st rounder for him, or at least bring him back on an inflated 1 year deal if he were to accept a qualifying offer.

    So best case scenario is that he is great for the NYY the rest of the way, they win with him (whatever that ultimately means) and they get a 1st rounder for him or bring him back.

  18. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    I’m the dream police!

    It is quite a wide net. Hopefully we sign all of these guys.

    Do any of these guys excite you more than Ty Hensley? I’m honestly not sure, even with Ty’s lost year.

  19. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    I think Hughes could get a qualifying offer…..if he stays with the Yankees I’d certainly offer him one if he’s healthy and pitches to a 4 era or so as I expect him to.

    “Do any of these guys excite you more than Ty Hensley? I’m honestly not sure, even with Ty’s lost year.”

    eh….not really but there are 3 of them instead of 1 which I like.

  20. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    The Dodgers could really use Hughes….so could the Giants really.

  21. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    IMO DePaula is the highest upside arm in the system.

    Followed closely by J-Ram.

    Don’t sleep on Banuelos either. He’s still young and has all the tools.

  22. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Katoh actually sounds the most interesting to me, by these descriptions. Maybe I’m just being silly. Power often develops… as long as you get the bat on the ball you’ll probably be OK.

  23. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    MTU – I’ll wait until I can seem some sparkle from the diamond lol. There’s already very limited predictability in the MLB draft. These guys are going to need to be in the system for a minimum of 2-3 years before we’ll start to be able to really discuss who might end up contributing to the big club.

  24. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    IMO DePaula is the highest upside arm in the system.

    Followed closely by J-Ram.

    Don’t sleep on Banuelos either. He’s still young and has all the tools.
    ———

    Yeah, you’d place J-Ram over Man Ban now? Is that based on health? Up until last season Banuelos had ace-type upside…

  25. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Shame-

    Patience Grasshopper.

    :)

  26. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    PacoDooley June 7th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:16 am
    Yankees won’t trade Hughes for three reasons: One, they want to win this season and feel they need Hughes to accomplish that. Two, it isn’t the “Yankee way” to trade away guys during the season. Three, I can’t see anyone giving up the kind of player Blake describes for an inconsistent pitcher on the cusp of free agency when they won’t even get a draft pick for him.

    ————————

    I also think that his value is too low to make it worthwhile, unless a team in the NL or a larger ballpark sees the upside and is willing to pay for it. The Yankees also have to weigh the fact that they can potentially get a 1st rounder for him, or at least bring him back on an inflated 1 year deal if he were to accept a qualifying offer.

    So best case scenario is that he is great for the NYY the rest of the way, they win with him (whatever that ultimately means) and they get a 1st rounder for him or bring him back.
    ————–

    I don’t think there’s any chance Hughes would accept a qualifying offer. He’ll probably get a deal similar to what Edwin Jackson got from an NL Team with a big park (Atlanta, San Diego, San Francisco) or maybe even the Angels.

    The time to trade Hughes was before the season. At this point you’re not going to get more value out of him than you would find in a first round pick. Besides, the only teams that are going to be interested in Hughes are competing teams and I don’t see the Yankees doing a deal with a team that they feel they will need to beat in the playoffs or World Series.

  27. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    IMO DePaula is the highest upside arm in the system.

    Followed closely by J-Ram.

    Don’t sleep on Banuelos either. He’s still young and has all the tools.
    ———

    Yeah, you’d place J-Ram over Man Ban now? Is that based on health? Up until last season Banuelos had ace-type upside…
    ——————
    Banuelos hasn’t pitched in over a year. Hard to consider him as being anything other than a latter day Brien Taylor at this point.

  28. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I’m just glad that when we went “safe” this season, it was with a college player and not some dark horse high schooler…

    What perplexing drafts… I can’t wait to hear some leaks about Culver and Bichette Jr.

  29. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Kev-

    Yeah. Health mostly.

    Also takes a while for command to return after TJS. Banuelos will need that.

    Might be a whole year before it’s 100%.

    Hopefully by then Both J-Ram and Manny will knocking on the door.

  30. Tackelberry June 7th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Anyone remember the days when the MLB draft was held in complete secrecy? Only the names of the 1st round picks were released unitl weeks later. Clubs were always fearful of college recruiters recruitng their H.S. choices away from then so they kept everything secret. Entire draft was done then on conference call. Its come a very long way since then.

  31. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Chip,

    Banuelos just turned 22 and was pitching in AAA. Jose Ramirez turned 23 this year and he’s in AA.

  32. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    “I don’t think there’s any chance Hughes would accept a qualifying offer.”

    which is why whoever has him should offer him one :)

  33. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Shame-

    Patience Grasshopper.

    ———————–

    Exactly why I don’t get all that excited about the MLB draft! It’s a multi-season process. I was looking at that list of Yankee 1st round picks over the last several years…. there’s not much to get excited about lol.

    Can someone explain why you can’t trade picks in MLB? I think that’s kinda weird.

  34. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Banuelos still has a chance to be really good if he can get and stay healthy…..

  35. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    folks tend to dismiss injured players like they disappeared…..JRam was an afterthought for a long time because he’d been hurt….the talent never went away he just couldn’t pitch.

  36. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    At this point you’re not going to get more value out of him than you would find in a first round pick.

    Fundamentally disagree… if you can get a 3B or SS prospect that’s close and has a larger body of work in the minors, that’s way more valuable than a first round pick IMO. Especially a supplemental pick.

  37. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    “What perplexing drafts… I can’t wait to hear some leaks about Culver and Bichette Jr.”

    the Baseball America’s and Law’s etc aren’t perfect but these days they do collect enough info from their research and just talking with the teams to put together fairly accurate top 50-100 lists based on what the consensus of people think……which was why the Culver and Dante Jr picks were so strange…..neither of those guys were even on anybody’s top 100 let alone high enough to be taken in the first round. If you’re gonna try to outsmart the room on stuff like this you need to be right…..and so far it doesn’t look like they were and it looks like they just reached for a couple of guys they liked…..

    Glad they haven’t done that the last couple of years…..

  38. Jesus Bustero June 7th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    The Yankees now have 4 prospects to replenish the farm should the Yankees make a trade. The Yankees should be open to trading Hughes in a package fortified by a couple prospects, Joba with a couple prospects too.

    The Yankees need to add a guy like Hanley Ramirez or Chase Headley and an OF like Hunter Pence or Heyward.

  39. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    “I don’t think there’s any chance Hughes would accept a qualifying offer.”

    which is why whoever has him should offer him one
    ————————-

    Can’t. Only the Yankees can make him a qualifying offer. If a player is traded in his free agent year, the team that acquires the player cannot make him a qualifying offer.

  40. Tackelberry June 7th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Cano, Granderson and Hughes should all get qualifying offers. Joba, definitely not!

  41. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    For example, if you can trade half a season of Hughes for Olt, who isn’t having a great go of it this year, I think that’s a better move than extending the QO at the end of the season.

    If Hughes is as mediocre of a pitcher as we seem to think he is, why would we fear facing him if we had to play the Rangers?

    Letting Hughes go for a pick (a really low first round pick, especially) would be hella annoying.

    I need some help on the trading picks policy.. they can’t just swap picks right? But you can trade a player for a pick, can’t you? No? If you trade Hughes for a top 5 pick, that’s a different story too. I dunno how the rules work though. So I’m just rambling as usual.

  42. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Banuelos still has a chance to be really good if he can get and stay healthy…..
    ————–

    Same could have been said about lots of pitchers…Christian Garcia, Andrew Brackman, Brien Taylor, Scott Kazmir, Wade Miller, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood….

  43. 86w183 June 7th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    gotta run gang —-

    Hopefully they’ll get some high ceiling guys today to supplement an excellent first trio.

    they don’t let teams trade draft picks because they’re afraid bad teams wont get enough young talent and the best/wealthiest teams will buy the top prospects.

    I don’t agree with that, but they didnt ask me

    Later

  44. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    “Can’t. Only the Yankees can make him a qualifying offer. If a player is traded in his free agent year, the team that acquires the player cannot make him a qualifying offer.”

    true….Yanks should though if he’s still around.

  45. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I actually don’t think targeting a guy like Hanley is a bad move, but it really depends on the deal. It would be nice to have a guy that could cover either SS or 3B depending on how things shake out.

  46. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    “Same could have been said about lots of pitchers…Christian Garcia, Andrew Brackman, Brien Taylor, Scott Kazmir, Wade Miller, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood….”

    sure…..but TJS is predicatable and he’s still very young.

  47. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    For example, if you can trade half a season of Hughes for Olt, who isn’t having a great go of it this year, I think that’s a better move than extending the QO at the end of the season.

    If Hughes is as mediocre of a pitcher as we seem to think he is, why would we fear facing him if we had to play the Rangers?
    ————–

    But Shame, why would the Rangers trade a well regarded prospect having a down year for a player you yourself describe as potentially being a mediocre pitcher that a team like the Yankees wouldn’t fear in the post season?

    Wouldn’t it make more sense for the Rangers to go after better pitchers on teams that aren’t in contention – like Matt Garza?

  48. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    “Same could have been said about lots of pitchers…Christian Garcia, Andrew Brackman, Brien Taylor, Scott Kazmir, Wade Miller, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood….”

    sure…..but TJS is predicatable and he’s still very young.
    ——————

    True, but it wasn’t just the TJS with him…prior to it I seem to remember he was often having trouble staying on the field – I could be wrong and if so…apologies.

  49. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Shame-

    I agree with you in the sense that if the can trade a guy like Hughes for something better than a draft pick they should.

    With two provisos:

    That they have someone who can fill his slot.

    That someone might just be Michael Pineda. But then again maybe not.

    And secondly, that they do not belive they will re-sign him.

    ;)

  50. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am
    “Same could have been said about lots of pitchers…Christian Garcia, Andrew Brackman, Brien Taylor, Scott Kazmir, Wade Miller, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood….”

    sure…..but TJS is predicatable and he’s still very young.
    ———–

    Yeah, I dunno. I guess specifically regarding Banuelos, I don’t see that type of injury history with him. Maybe I’m just being optimistic here.

  51. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    “Can’t. Only the Yankees can make him a qualifying offer. If a player is traded in his free agent year, the team that acquires the player cannot make him a qualifying offer.”

    true….Yanks should though if he’s still around.
    —————

    Completely agree – they should make qualifying offers to several of their guys: Granderson, Youkilis, Hughes, Cano and Kuroda. Only guys I would let walk away are Logan, Joba, Pronk, Overbay (assuming he’s even here by then)

  52. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Banuelos’s mechanics are pretty clean…..he’s a little dude but there isn’t a ton that screams injury risk so hopefully he will get past this and get back on the right track

  53. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    I wouldn’t make a QO to Youk at all…..

  54. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Actually – I’m not sure if Youkilis fits into the area where you can make a player a qualifying offer – I’m not positive what the rule is on that any more. Whether you can only make QO’s to the guys who would have fallen into Type A FA status in the past.

  55. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Banuelos has been relatively healthy other than the TJS.

  56. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Just think if the Yankees had signed the Cuban outfielders.

  57. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Chip – 1) There’s no place for Olt to play on their MLB roster, 2) The Cubs will be looking for the best package and the Rangers might feel moving one player is better than moving a package for a soon-to-be FA, 3) I don’t consider Hughes mediocre – I think there are a lot of teams that would trade a non-performing minor league 3B for a guy to sure up the back of their rotation that historically gives his team a 75% chance of winning.

  58. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:50 am
    Banuelos’s mechanics are pretty clean…..he’s a little dude but there isn’t a ton that screams injury risk so hopefully he will get past this and get back on the right track
    ———-

    He’s also not a fireballer like some of those other guys. I guess he over exerted his body, but maybe the TJ takes care of it and he’s good from here on out.

  59. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    You can make a QO to anybody I think as long as you are willing to pay them 13+ million if they accept……which I certainly would not be for Youk

  60. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Now, let’s sign them!

  61. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    I wouldn’t make a QO to Youk at all…..

    ————–

    WTF would a QO to Youk look like in terms of dollars? I still can’t believe we gave this guy twice as much as any other team was willing to offer.

  62. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Chip-

    I wouldn’t give Youkilis a QO. He might just take it.

    The others you mentioned absolutely.

  63. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    “WTF would a QO to Youk look like in terms of dollars? I still can’t believe we gave this guy twice as much as any other team was willing to offer.”

    between 13 and 14 million probably…..the number hasn’t been determined yet I don’t think but it was something like 13.3 million last year.

  64. blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Ben Badler ?@BenBadler 1m
    Best available talent, Day 2: C Jon Denney, RHP Connor Jones, RHP Kyle Serrano, RHP Bobby Wahl, OF Cord Sandberg http://bit.ly/18Tm42I

    Denney was a guy linked to the Yanks

  65. PacoDooley June 7th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Chip June 7th, 2013 at 9:32 am
    I don’t think there’s any chance Hughes would accept a qualifying offer. He’ll probably get a deal similar to what Edwin Jackson got from an NL Team with a big park (Atlanta, San Diego, San Francisco) or maybe even the Angels.

    The time to trade Hughes was before the season. At this point you’re not going to get more value out of him than you would find in a first round pick….
    ——————————–

    I totally agree – basically what I was trying to say – you are probably not getting a better return for him than a 1st round pick, and he is unlikely to accept the offer (and in the off event that he did, it wouldn’t be a bad thing). He doesn’t carry that value when he is traded, so the moment they move him his value declines (since the team cannot make a qualifying offer). So his value is highest to an organization if he stays in NY.

    Plus, he could actually help this team. I think Pettitte will not spend a lot of time in the rotation, so they will need pitchers, even with Nova and Pineda in the wings.

  66. Bo knows June 7th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    If someone could explain to me the high hand set, I would be extremely grateful. All it does is create a long to the ball, especially when pitchers focus on pitching down.

    Someone clone Long and send them to all the colleges. It just offends me.

    Put the bat on your shoulder if you have to, your hands are now in the hitting zone.

  67. Tackelberry June 7th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:52 am
    Just think if the Yankees had signed the Cuban outfielders

    They did make a strong bid for Soler, but Cubs just blew everyone out of the water there. Don’t know why they didn’t at least try on Cespedes and Puig though.

  68. Tackelberry June 7th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:55 am
    Ben Badler ?@BenBadler 1m
    Best available talent, Day 2: C Jon Denney, RHP Connor Jones, RHP Kyle Serrano, RHP Bobby Wahl, OF Cord Sandberg http://bit.ly/18Tm42I

    Denney was a guy linked to the Yanks

    Those guys must all be very difficult signs. Yanks should pop at least one of them though and give it a try

  69. pkyankfan69 June 7th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Tackelberry June 7th, 2013 at 9:44 am
    Cano, Granderson and Hughes should all get qualifying offers. Joba, definitely not!
    ———————————————–
    Hiroki also

  70. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Has anybody seen this article?

    Via the NY Daily News: Biogenesis chief Anthony Bosch tried to extort money from Alex Rodriguez before agreeing to cooperate with MLB’s investigation into the South Florida performance-enhancing drug pipeline. A-Rod refused the apparent six-figure request.
    In return for cooperating with the investigation, MLB will drop their lawsuit against Bosch, cover any legal bills and civil liability, and provide him with bodyguards. Trying to extort Alex before rolling over for the league doesn’t exactly help Bosch’s credibility here. This is some shady business.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....mlb-88317/

  71. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    I think they missed with their scouting on Cespedes.

    Big time.

    I think the reports at the time indicated that they did not like his swing.

    That the value just wasn’t there.

    That is one possible explanation.

  72. blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    “If someone could explain to me the high hand set, I would be extremely grateful”

    It’s wasted movement but some guys use the movement from there to the hitting position as a timing mechanism or part of their load…..it works for some guys but you need the talent and timing necessary to make it work.

  73. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Tackelberry June 7th, 2013 at 9:44 am
    Cano, Granderson and Hughes should all get qualifying offers. Joba, definitely not!
    ———————————————–
    Hiroki also
    —–

    Some here claimed that the qualifying offers would really aid teams like the Yankees. It’s becoming evident that it will really be great for us. We have stronger leverage to keep players on 1 year deals, and we also lock up draft picks. Basically we can offer anybody worth $11mm a year a QO. If they return we get a low risk contract, if they leave we get a draft pick. Most teams can’t afford to risk giving out $14mm contracts to anybody but real stars.

  74. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    One of things Long cocncentrates on with players is being quicker to the ball.

    As part of that he tries to get them to shorten up their swing and eliminate any unecessary pre-swing motion either with the hands or legs.

  75. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    I’m all for having another 3 or 4 early round picks again next next year.

    Just keep throwing stuff at the wall hoping some of it sticks.

    :)

  76. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    I wouldn’t make a QO to Youk at all…..
    —————

    Why not? It’s a small raise off of what he’s making this year (I think) and a 1 year deal for him to be a DH/3b/1b

  77. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    I still don’t get why they won’t allow teams to trade picks… teams that suck for a while and have already flooded their farm could use those as valuable trade chips to get a good return.

  78. blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    “Why not? It’s a small raise off of what he’s making this year (I think) and a 1 year deal for him to be a DH/3b/1b”

    1) he’s not that good anymore
    2) the budget….you can’t give him nearly 14 million next year and get under the cap. They did this year because they have a 230 million dollar payroll

  79. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    From the description of the 3b the team drafted I guess the downside would be Brett Wallace (which would be a pretty big downside)

  80. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    He might accept that (since it’ll be like triple what he’s actually worth) and the Yankees are still trying to get to $189… I don’t see how giving Youk almost $15 million helps that cause at all.

  81. pkyankfan69 June 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Pretty nice write up on Clarkin from January

    “Projecting Clarkin to have a 91-92 MPH fastball, a plus breaking ball and an average change to me is the low end of his potential and that would be a good #3 starter. I could see him better than that in the future and he could be a #2 starter if he commands all three pitches well and sits 92-94. That could be very likely. He has higher potential than many in the draft, though a lot of it depends on command and that curveball. He is one of my favorite arms in this class and could be a top 15 pick, if not higher with a good spring.”

    http://www.minorleagueball.com.....iego-ca-hs

  82. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Chip-

    Because IMO he is just too injury prone.

    I never wanted him in the 1st place.

    I’d rather they give Adams a shot.

    Or Mustelier.

  83. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    “Why not? It’s a small raise off of what he’s making this year (I think) and a 1 year deal for him to be a DH/3b/1b”

    1) he’s not that good anymore
    2) the budget….you can’t give him nearly 14 million next year and get under the cap. They did this year because they have a 230 million dollar payroll
    —————–

    Blake, I don’t see how they’re getting under the cap anyway. Not if they’re committed to signing Cano.

  84. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    I wouldn’t make a QO to Youk at all…..
    —————

    Why not? It’s a small raise off of what he’s making this year (I think) and a 1 year deal for him to be a DH/3b/1b

    ————-

    I think the 12mm was high for Youk this year. If he can be a MVP down the stretch then we can offer him a QO, but I’m guessing there is little to no chance we offer him a QO.

    He would accept it and we’d be on the hook for $14.1mm

  85. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    How much do you guys think Theo is gonna get for Garza..?

  86. Bo knows June 7th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    it works for some guys but you need the talent and timing necessary to make it work.
    ———-
    That’s exactly what I don’t understand. Unnecessary extra impediments to create a level swing plane. Hell, you can’t create a level swing plane from there.

    There are many other forms of timing devices.

  87. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    If we offer Youk the QO we’d be paying him $26 million over two years…. good lord.

    It ain’t my money so they can spend it however they want.. but in 2014 you’d have spent $20 million on just Youk and Ichiro in that scenario.

    Highly doubt they do that.

  88. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    If ARod is healthy, and isn’t going to be serving a suspension, there is no place for Youk. I’d rather have Adams up at the ML level.

  89. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    If you want a real 3B trade for Headley.

    He’d be more of a longterm solution.

  90. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Call me crazy, but I’d rather take the pick and bow out of the Cano contest, unless money is not an issue and we’re willing to spend like crazy from here on out. None of this Alex contract stuff….

  91. blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    “Blake, I don’t see how they’re getting under the cap anyway. Not if they’re committed to signing Cano.”

    they can sign Cano and get under…..what they can’t do is sign Cano and give guys like Youk 13 million and get under.

  92. blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    “Call me crazy, but I’d rather take the pick and bow out of the Cano contest, unless money is not an issue and we’re willing to spend like crazy from here on out. None of this Alex contract stuff….”

    it really just depends on the length of contract and how serious Hal is about the budget…..

  93. Jerkface June 7th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Youk’s slashline is almost identical to his boston slash line last year right now. I dont think thats a player you invest 14 million in. He’d definitely take the QO.

  94. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    Call me crazy, but I’d rather take the pick and bow out of the Cano contest, unless money is not an issue and we’re willing to spend like crazy from here on out. None of this Alex contract stuff….

    ——-

    I think we could get Cano for something like $200/8 years. (At least I hope so). I don’t think the market for him will be that big (at least for the dollar amount he will command).

    Dodgers: If the Dodgers don’t turn things around I think they will probably have to slow down on their spending. Plus, they aren’t keeping as much of their TV money as they thought.

    Red Sox: Already have a top 2nd baseman.

    Rangers: Already have a top 2nd baseman and Profar fighting to get into the big leagues.

    Philadelphia: Trying to shop Lee because their team is getting too old. Haven’t really been competitive the past two years. They don’t want to commit to another big contract.

    Angels: Already fighting to stay at/near the cap. Plus pitching is a much bigger concern then adding another bat.

    Who do you think will be able to offer Cano a contract in the $200mm range? I also think that the Jay Z connection will require Cano to go to a large market team. He will be looking for endorsements and those are much more likely to be available in NY or LA.

  95. Jerkface June 7th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    If they are planning to get under 189 still there is only so many 10+ million contracts they can hand out, and you can’t waste it on a guy that may not hit, can barely play third, and is always hurt.

  96. yankeefeminista June 7th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    “Banuelos’s mechanics are pretty clean…..he’s a little dude but there isn’t a ton that screams injury risk so hopefully he will get past this and get back on the right track”
    ____
    Yep, he really shouldn’t be an injury risk going forward. I expect/hope that post TJS rehab will make his arm better than ever. Last they reported he was making very good progress. And Manny may be short, but he is strong as an ox.

  97. blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    8/200 for Cano is a lot of money still….it may take that much to get him but that’s a dangerous contract IMO and one that could look pretty bad towards the tail end of it.

  98. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Headly’s May slash line has been atrocious. :(

  99. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Headley*

    ugh.

  100. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    YF-

    Strong like Bull.

    :)

  101. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:23 am
    8/200 for Cano is a lot of money still….it may take that much to get him but that’s a dangerous contract IMO and one that could look pretty bad towards the tail end of it.

    ——-

    Considering the slumping ticket sales and the pending retirement of Mo, Andy, and Jeter (soon), I think they will want to lock up a real star for the next few years.

    I agree he won’t be worth 25 year from 35-39.

  102. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Shame-

    He’ll get better again.

    Change of scenery is just what he needs. He can really pick it at 3rd. Switch hitter.

    Let’s put him in those magic Pinstripes.

    ;)

  103. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    $20 million on Ichiro and Youk next year would be absolute insanity. No way Youk gets a QO. It was stupid to sign him for $12 million this year, let’s not pile on any further.

    I’m all for spending your way out of trouble, but spend on talent.

  104. MTU June 7th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Have to leave soon.

    Going to lay an old Soldier to rest.

    See ya tomorrow.

  105. Cashmoney June 7th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    The idea of trading Cano (unlikely, cuz Yanks are under the delusion that this is a championship team) or let him walk is actually quite sane. In this case, irregardless of the budget, I think you get the half man he used to be sooner than later.

  106. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    MTU – Lol, perhaps you’re right! Depends on the cost. At this rate, they may be able to extend him to a more team friendly deal after all. I’m not against going after him I’m just not willing to offer nearly as much as I would have in the off season.

  107. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    What do you all think about Granderson?

    Before the season I thought there was almost no chance he’d be here in 2014. I’m starting to think he might take the qualifying offer to get a better contract in 2015 and beyond.

  108. PacoDooley June 7th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Some here claimed that the qualifying offers would really aid teams like the Yankees. It’s becoming evident that it will really be great for us. We have stronger leverage to keep players on 1 year deals, and we also lock up draft picks. Basically we can offer anybody worth $11mm a year a QO. If they return we get a low risk contract, if they leave we get a draft pick. Most teams can’t afford to risk giving out $14mm contracts to anybody but real stars.
    —————————-

    Definitely been good for the NYY< but I just worry that the luxury tax threshold will make them a little conservative if they think that a couple of guys will accept, but not have space on the team. I suppose those players could be tradeable on the 1 year deal, so that could mitigate the concern a little.

    This year I don't see anyone other than Cano, Granderson, Kuroda and Hughes getting offers. Definitely no on Joba and Youk.

  109. jacksquat June 7th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    pkyankfan69 June 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am
    To me, Aaron Judge looks a lot like Ritchie Sexson at the plate…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YT6Gh9YFB4

    Sexson is the first guy that came to my mind, but Judge seems thicker and more athletic.

  110. blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “I agree he won’t be worth 25 year from 35-39″

    may be sooner than that…..Love Robbie but I also think he may have already played his best baseball and is close to creeping past his prime. I think he’s still in his prime now but could exit soon…..giving a guy an 8 year contract where he could be in decline 6 or 7 of those years is a problem.

  111. Cashmoney June 7th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Judge remind me physically more of Stanton, but I cringe to see that big swing and miss on off speed stuff in the dirt. Since I am not a scout, we will wait and see.

  112. djsunyc June 7th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    now batting, eric jageilo

    “i’m just a jageilo…and everywhere i go…”

  113. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    LOL:

    @_Happy_Gilmore Fact… pic.twitter.com/d8IEzwzrIj

  114. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Locke – It really depends on what is most important to Granderson. If I’m his agent, for example, I’m going: ‘Do you see what happened this year? There’s no guarantee it won’t happen again – take the security while you can get it.’

    But that would be the conservative approach.

    He might try to reestablish value on a one year deal but if he gets injured again you’re almost certainly getting that ‘injury risk’ label.

  115. blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “What do you all think about Granderson?”

    he’s a nice guy :) If he’d come back for a year to try and re-establish his value then I’d do that

  116. comnsnse June 7th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    The draft.

    Jags is a legitimate prospect offensively….but can he play better than average D as a 3B? Saying he has corner O.F. possibilities seems to indicate a hedge and at 21 he needs to move quickly up the ladder. Grade B.

    Judge is a complete stretch, I suppose they are comparing him with Stanton but is he a legit first rounder? Grade C.

    Clarkin is a H.S. pitcher which is always a “come bet”, and no doubt they would have preferred Kaminsky. Grade C+

    Katoh is this year’s version of Culver i.e. a huge stretch and rated 186 out of 200 positional players by B.A. Probably available in a later round. Grade D.

    The question is why would you pick a 3B who may not be the defender needed at the position and a 2B who has a “weak arm”, when your obvious needs are 3B and SS?

    The Judge pick flies in the face of the supposedly good OF prospects we already have and on the face of early reports the 5 tool designation is a joke since the real question the scouts have is will he hit for a decent average.

    Second coming of Adam Dunn….if he ever makes it?

    I would hope the organization remembers who the suspects are who have drafted these and other players with their typical glowing assessments a few years from now.

  117. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Blake:

    I agree with you, but

    1) More and more teams are locking up prime talent before FA. The FA market isn’t close to as good as it use to be. The cost of All-stars who reach FA is only going to go up with the scarcity. I don’t think the Yankees can bank on developing another Cano in the next few years.

    2) The Yankees are in the business of making money. This can be done with wins and championships, but it’s also done with great players like Mo, Jeter, Posada, Andy, etc. When the captain retires the Yankees will be desperate to replace that void with another player.

    As a baseball player, he might not be worth $25mm a year. But when Jeter retires having a player like Cano will be really important. Most people are fans of players, not the team. Those of us that follow day by day, and post on this blog are the exception.

  118. blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “I would hope the organization remembers who the suspects are who have drafted these and other players with their typical glowing assessments a few years from now.”

    how many of these guys have you seen play? or are you basing these rankings just off what you have read about them?

  119. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Shame: If you’re a GM of another team, what do you offer Granderson if he has only played half a year and he has a draft pick attached to him?

    I guess I should add the obligatory “gun to your head” :)

  120. blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “As a baseball player, he might not be worth $25mm a year. But when Jeter retires having a player like Cano will be really important. Most people are fans of players, not the team. Those of us that follow day by day, and post on this blog are the exception.”

    I agree and I think they’ll sign him…..I just hope Hal is ok with overpaying him for maybe most of the contract and won’t hold it over the teams head.

  121. Ghostwriter June 7th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    For example, if you can trade half a season of Hughes for Olt, who isn’t having a great go of it this year, I think that’s a better move than extending the QO at the end of the season.

    If Hughes is as mediocre of a pitcher as we seem to think he is, why would we fear facing him if we had to play the Rangers?

    ===

    Hughes would be a full load in the playoffs. I wouldn’t want to face him as a starter or a reliever. I’m not opposed to trading him, but if we do, then we need to get real value in return.

  122. Ys Guy June 7th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    all that time tex dedicated to texting about the nba (probably as much as minutes per day) somehow don’t seem to have disturbed his rehab after all…

    …who would’ve guessed?

  123. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Blake:

    I think George cared more about winning games and having the big name stars.

    Hal cares more about making $$$ and running a profitable business. My hope is that he can see that the Yankees became the most profitable team by having stars and winning tons of games.

  124. Cashmoney June 7th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Huh, If Cano declines, why would fans come to flock to YS to see him? I don’t get that logic at all.The Whole premise on not giving Cano’s huge and length contract is the assumption that he will decline sooner than later.

    As for the scarcity of FA avail it only speak volume to the importance developing a new core of players via sound scouting and development rather than being the sucker who overpays for the best of the mediocre lot.

    lastly, there are other options on FA in 13 one can explore when weighing getting the best bang for your bucks.

  125. pkyankfan69 June 7th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    jacksquat June 7th, 2013 at 10:33 am
    pkyankfan69 June 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am
    To me, Aaron Judge looks a lot like Ritchie Sexson at the plate…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YT6Gh9YFB4

    Sexson is the first guy that came to my mind, but Judge seems thicker and more athletic.
    —————————-
    Agreed… I can’t picture Sexson roaming CF even in college ball lol.

    Chances are he’ll probably stink but if he figures it out you have to love the potential.

  126. Ghostwriter June 7th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Blake:

    I think George cared more about winning games and having the big name stars.

    Hal cares more about making $$$ and running a profitable business. My hope is that he can see that the Yankees became the most profitable team by having stars and winning tons of games.
    ==

    Don’t kid yourself. The old man was all about making a buck. His competitiveness and impatience with the baseball side sometimes got in the way of his best judgment, but he always had an eye on the bottom line.

  127. Against All Odds June 7th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Ys Guy June 7th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    ————————

    :)

  128. Ys Guy June 7th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    george was better at making money and signing stars than winning anything.

    2 championships in 26 seasons till he got out of the way and let baseball people build a dynasty.

  129. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Cashmoney June 7th, 2013 at 10:52 am
    Huh, If Cano declines, why would fans come to flock to YS to see him? I don’t get that logic at all.The Whole premise on not giving Cano’s huge and length contract is the assumption that he will decline sooner than later.

    ——

    I think less then 80% of Yankees fans even know what a qualifying offer even is. Plenty just go to a few games a year, watch some on TV and wear Yankees merchandise. Just look at how many people are voting for Jeter to be in the all star game – those are Yankees fans that don’t even know that he’s injured.

  130. Ghostwriter June 7th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    The day after draft day, I’m happy that the Yanks had three first round picks, and they used them to select some intriguing players. It cracks me up that Clarkin is a Yankee hater; just on that fact alone, I suspect that he’ll wind up being the class of this draft.

  131. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Don’t kid yourself. The old man was all about making a buck. His competitiveness and impatience with the baseball side sometimes got in the way of his best judgment, but he always had an eye on the bottom line.

    I know he was a businessman too (he was successful even before the Yankees) but I think he was a fan first and a businessman second.

  132. Ghostwriter June 7th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Don’t kid yourself. The old man was all about making a buck. His competitiveness and impatience with the baseball side sometimes got in the way of his best judgment, but he always had an eye on the bottom line.

    I know he was a businessman too (he was successful even before the Yankees) but I think he was a fan first and a businessman second.
    ==

    I understood your point; I just think that you’re mistaken. Some–I suspect most– of his bluster was about selling tickets.

  133. Cashmoney June 7th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    those are Yankees fans that don’t even know that he’s injured.
    —–
    I think NY is a star driven town. And, you are right, there are fans out there who remember names rather than looking at performance. But if you are treating player as a brand in this case, There simply are others via trade or FA NYY can definitely build a new brand with. Whom? someone who has considerable baseball skills, personality and easy on the eyes probably will do.

    Now, if you taken all that into consideration, there are still option for NYY to consider other than Cano in this case. I guess what i am trying to say is there are options to consider.

  134. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    I understood your point; I just think that you’re mistaken. Some–I suspect most– of his bluster was about selling tickets.

    —-

    Got ya. I’d disagree, but I see the argument.

  135. bruceb June 7th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    With the Mets game rained out and the Sox vs. Rangers nowhere to be found, I decided to watch the draft on the MLB Network last night. It just ain’t the same as the NFL draft…bunch of spotty-faced kids I’ve never heard of and most I probably never will.

    Not exactly compelling TV but the one thing that did surprise me though was the way the analysts talked as though these kids would be playing for the teams that picked them next year…his swing is ideally suited for the short porch in Yankee Stadium; he reminds me of Michael Kuddyer; he’s just what the Rangers need right now.

    I know they have to say something but it came across more like Fantasy Baseball than the real thing.

  136. Ghostwriter June 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Cashmoney June 7th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    those are Yankees fans that don’t even know that he’s injured.
    —–
    I think NY is a star driven town. And, you are right, there are fans out there who remember names rather than looking at performance. But if you are treating player as a brand in this case, There simply are others via trade or FA NYY can definitely build a new brand with. Whom? someone who has considerable baseball skills, personality and easy on the eyes probably will do.

    ==

    Merchandising is probably why they signed Ichiro to a two-year deal. Shirt sales alone likely will pay his salary.

  137. austinmac June 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    It will be interesting to see who the team makes QOs to this winter. Granderson, with most of the season missed, could take it, it seems to me, in order to rebuild value. Hughes could take it. With the budgetary limits presumably in place, can they afford to risk $28M on these two players?

    I know nothing about any of the players drafted except what I have read. That said, I like their efforts based upon that information. All were, at least, projected by some to be significantly higher picks. They could all become stars or never make it above AA. That can be said about virtually everyone in the draft.

    Too bad Gray didn’t sign with the Yankees after they offered $500K. He oviously made agood decision.

  138. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Cashmoney:

    You’re right, there are other stars. I think Cano will be the best pick since 1) he’s here and available, 2) he’s already known in NY.

    Who do you think they should consider via trade/FA?

  139. Locke June 7th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Merchandising is probably why they signed Ichiro to a two-year deal. Shirt sales alone likely will pay his salary.

    —-

    It suckered me into a $100 purchase.

  140. Ghostwriter June 7th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    austinmac June 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    It will be interesting to see who the team makes QOs to this winter. Granderson, with most of the season missed, could take it, it seems to me, in order to rebuild value. Hughes could take it. With the budgetary limits presumably in place, can they afford to risk $28M on these two players?

    I know nothing about any of the players drafted except what I have read. That said, I like their efforts based upon that information. All were, at least, projected by some to be significantly higher picks. They could all become stars or never make it above AA. That can be said about virtually everyone in the draft.

    Too bad Gray didn’t sign with the Yankees after they offered $500K. He oviously made agood decision.

  141. Cashmoney June 7th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    I know they have to say something but it came across more like Fantasy Baseball than the real thing.
    —–
    that’s pretty true, no dif than NFL coverages, Bruce. I agree with the fantasy part. You have got to drive the interests of the fans. If I tell you the Yankees and others draft picks have no better chance in making the major than the hard hitting Ramiro Pena you probably switch the channel on me.

  142. Ghostwriter June 7th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    austinmac June 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    It will be interesting to see who the team makes QOs to this winter. Granderson, with most of the season missed, could take it, it seems to me, in order to rebuild value. Hughes could take it. With the budgetary limits presumably in place, can they afford to risk $28M on these two players?

    ==

    I would make the QO to Granderson. If nothing else, we would get him back for another year.

    I also make the QO to Hughes, because I doubt that he would take it.

  143. Ghostwriter June 7th, 2013 at 11:19 am

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    —-

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    ==

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  144. Cashmoney June 7th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Who do you think they should consider via trade/FA?
    —-
    someone who is young and talented, preferably lefty. realistically, but I don’t know if this organization are in position to empty the farm for the usual name such as Stanton or Headley.
    but I actually think this team needs to build from ground up instead being in denial. Give a year or two to see what this AA crop might become, while being vigilante about other teams prospects that are block that may fit the criterion i stated above.

  145. pat June 7th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Shame
    I was only half listening to the draft last night and doing something else but Harold Reynolds said now that the first round is over, teams can now trade picks but they needed to declare it by now so I guess no one is.

    Not sure if that just pertained to the supplemental round or all rounds after first round but trades of some kind seem to be allowed unless Reynolds was wrong.

  146. PacoDooley June 7th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Locke June 7th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    2) The Yankees are in the business of making money. This can be done with wins and championships, but it’s also done with great players like Mo, Jeter, Posada, Andy, etc. When the captain retires the Yankees will be desperate to replace that void with another player.

    As a baseball player, he might not be worth $25mm a year. But when Jeter retires having a player like Cano will be really important. Most people are fans of players, not the team. Those of us that follow day by day, and post on this blog are the exception.
    ————————-

    People seem to lose sight of this fact – they pay player a lot of money because it makes the team a lot of money in the long run. They are not like some soccer teams (Man City, Chelsea) that are being bankrolled by billionaire owners – they are generating massive profits with their team, and doing so because they win.

    The Yankees were not that valuable a team or that profitable in the late ’80s and early ’90s because they were bad and no one was interested. They win a lot, put major talent on the field, and are among the most profitable and valuable sports franchises in the world.

  147. bruceb June 7th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Don’t think you need to worry about either Grandy or Hughes accepting qualifying offers. There will be plenty of suitors for both, just as there were for Swisher and Martin (although Martin would have been better off taking it).

    Clubs like the Mets are crying out for an outfielder like Granderson while as we saw last night, Hughes would be a great pickup for teams like the Mariners, As, Giants (i.e. anyone with a cavernous ballpark).

  148. austinmac June 7th, 2013 at 11:28 am

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  149. Jerkface June 7th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Not sure if that just pertained to the supplemental round or all rounds after first round but trades of some kind seem to be allowed unless Reynolds was wrong.

    Its only a very specific set of supplemental picks. The competitive balance picks.

  150. G. Love June 7th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    I actually got to watch some of the draft coverage last night and I cringed when they picked Judge and said “If his hit tool develops/comes”…a guy that massive and old who is still not an accomplished hitter at that pick? Ugh.

    But then the capper was us picking another Ian from Southern Cali who in his pre-pick video profile said his favorite baseball memory/moment was seeing the Yankees lose to AZ and then went on how he and his Dad hate the Yankees.

    I realize that’s all meaningless fluff but it definitely, as a fan, stunk to hear the kid say that there.

    I don’t understand picking Judge though if he’s not a solid hitter. A guy that huge who walked onto the baseball team in college as a lark as they said just doesn’t sound like a great pick. The one good thing they did say though was he HR’d 2x against Appel the 1st pick in the draft.

    Hopefully, the MLB guys were off in their assessment about his hitting ability because it would be pretty awesome to see that mountain of a man gliding across our OF crushing balls to the Deegan.

    And I’m a little upset we lost out on Kaminsky, but only because I knew who he was when they wrote an article about him in the local papers. Sounded like a kid who ate, slept and drank baseball and had his head on straight.

  151. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    “Blake, I don’t see how they’re getting under the cap anyway. Not if they’re committed to signing Cano.”

    they can sign Cano and get under…..what they can’t do is sign Cano and give guys like Youk 13 million and get under.
    —————

    If they sign Cano they’re at nearly $120 mil just for Cano, Jeter, Alex, Tex, Ichiro and CC – they can’t get another 24 players under contract for about $50 mil (what’s left after raises and insurance)

  152. pat June 7th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Jerkface

    Thanks for the clarification. You seem to be on top of the rules. Did you see where Davidoff says 3 people who should know says Alex’s salary wouldn’t count against luxury tax if suspended?

  153. G. Love June 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    And I thought Ian Clarkin looked like Ted Lilly in the footage they showed last night. I’ve always been a big Lilly fan (hated losing him).

  154. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    pat and JF – Thanks for the info.

    Seems really silly to now allow teams to trade picks. That’s a valuable form of currency. Like if you could trade Hughes for a top 10 pick that’s much better than taking the risk of offering him the QO for what amounts to a bubble pick.

  155. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    blake June 7th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    8/200 for Cano is a lot of money still….it may take that much to get him but that’s a dangerous contract IMO and one that could look pretty bad towards the tail end of it.
    —————-

    As I said, I would rather take the $26 – $28 per year that Robbie’s going to get and spread it among two or three ball players on shorter term deals. My two targets (not that this is the first time I’m saying this) would be Ben Zobrist and Brian McCann.

  156. bruceb June 7th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    But then the capper was us picking another Ian from Southern Cali who in his pre-pick video profile said his favorite baseball memory/moment was seeing the Yankees lose to AZ and then went on how he and his Dad hate the Yankees.

    I can’t believe they actually ran that when there was a chance we could actually select him. Embarrassing for the kid, his family and the Yankees. Hope we trade him today :)

  157. joeman June 7th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Hughes one step backwards one step forwards

  158. Jerkface June 7th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Did you see where Davidoff says 3 people who should know says Alex’s salary wouldn’t count against luxury tax if suspended?

    -

    Yes, but I don’t think thats correct, or if it is its based on information not present in the CBA.

    I’ll lay out why I think so. Here is the defined terms of the CBA:

    (7) “Base Salary” shall mean the amount set out in paragraph 2
    of a Uniform Player’s Contract for a given championship season or
    any amount included in a Special Covenant in lieu of inclusion in
    paragraph 2.

    (11) “Salary” shall be defined as provided in Section E below
    and shall be attributable to Contract Years as provided in Sections C
    and E below.

    (2) Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts

    A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1)
    championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to
    have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual
    Value” of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by
    operation of Section E(4) below). “Average Annual Value” shall be
    calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guaranteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other
    payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to
    a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c)
    any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed
    to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall
    be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years.

    (1) General Rule
    “Salary” shall mean the value of the total compensation (cash or
    otherwise) paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform
    Player’s Contract, including any guarantee by the Club of payments
    by third parties, for a particular championship season. Salary shall
    include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such
    as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists,
    and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments. Consistent
    with the rules set out below, all compensation paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be attributable to the Contract Year(s) in which the Player is required under the
    Contract to render services to a Club as a baseball player, regardless
    of how the compensation is characterized under the Contract.

    Basically for single year deals I can see an argument where the luxury tax impact is everything actually paid to the player in that year or not paid. However for multiyear deals it is overridden where ‘Salary’ becomes the AAV of ‘Base Salary’ which specifically is the amount listed on the contract.

  159. G. Love June 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    bruceb,

    It was really a punch in the gut seeing the kid gleefully recount how much he and his family hated the Yankees in that video package he did before getting picked.

    I realize that shouldn’t matter when drafting, but seeing a hardcore Yankee hater get picked and allowed to wear the jersey last night on TV felt wrong. The only thing that would’ve topped it was him showing he had a Red Sox tattoo on his arm or something.

  160. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    joeman June 7th, 2013 at 11:41 am
    Hughes one step backwards one step forwards
    ———–

    Eh, I thought he could hedge towards a #2 this season but it looks like that won’t happen. He’s a #3 starter. Some good, some bad, some average.

  161. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Keep going after him on twitter, JF!! LOL!

    Davidoff’s been wrong before…. he didn’t really outline specifics in the article on where he was pulling that info from.

  162. Jerkface June 7th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    For such a WELL MADE DOCUMENT (sarcasm) I would think the CBA would lay out a scenario for suspended players. As it stands I would not interpret the CBA in a way that supports suspended players removing their salary from the luxury tax.

  163. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    joeman June 7th, 2013 at 11:41 am
    Hughes one step backwards one step forwards
    ———–

    Eh, I thought he could hedge towards a #2 this season but it looks like that won’t happen. He’s a #3 starter. Some good, some bad, some average.
    ———————

    Again, Hughes is Hughes. The only thing you can count on about him is that he’s inconsistent.

  164. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    I wish you could sort pitchers by #1, #2, #3, etc lol… I’d love to know what the average MLB #3 gives you.

  165. austinmac June 7th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    JF,

    Good analysis of the CBA. It would seem the team could possibly deduct the suspension salary period from the overall contract having only limited impact on any one year.

  166. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    There are a lot of teams that would take a pitcher that inconsistently gives you a chance to win in 3/4 of the games he pitches in.

  167. Chip June 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Jerkface June 7th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    For such a WELL MADE DOCUMENT (sarcasm) I would think the CBA would lay out a scenario for suspended players. As it stands I would not interpret the CBA in a way that supports suspended players removing their salary from the luxury tax.
    —————-

    It could be that not having their salaries removed from the luxury tax is the penalty directed to the teams for signing possible repeat offenders

  168. G. Love June 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Shame,

    I think the average MLB 3 gives you 12 wins, a 4.00 ERA and 180 innings.

    1′s & 2′s give you 200 innings and a sub 4 ERA in my book.

  169. Jerkface June 7th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I wish you could sort pitchers by #1, #2, #3, etc lol… I’d love to know what the average MLB #3 gives you.

    There are some articles sometimes where they do this. I think Hardball Times has one. The last one I read it was like:

    #1 3.40 ERA #2 3.60 ERA #3 4.25 ERA #4 5 ERA #5 6 ERA #6 8 ERA

  170. blake June 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    “If they sign Cano they’re at nearly $120 mil just for Cano, Jeter, Alex, Tex, Ichiro and CC – they can’t get another 24 players under contract for about $50 mil (what’s left after raises and insurance)”

    they can….it’ll be tight but it’s possible. If they sign a bunch of other guys then no….

  171. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 11:46 am
    I wish you could sort pitchers by #1, #2, #3, etc lol… I’d love to know what the average MLB #3 gives you.
    ——-

    Probably something like what Hughes gives you. Have fun guessing!

    I’m not that down on him, actually. I think “it is what it is.” Bit of a shame he’s not more consistent. Not nearly as disappointing as some people suggest.

  172. RadioKev June 7th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    There are some articles sometimes where they do this. I think Hardball Times has one. The last one I read it was like:

    #1 3.40 ERA #2 3.60 ERA #3 4.25 ERA #4 5 ERA #5 6 ERA #6 8 ERA
    ———–

    Eye balling this, it looks right, but maybe dated a couple of years. A 3.40 ERA from your #1 is a disappointing season, these days.

  173. Doreen June 7th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    G. Love, he’ll learn to love the Yankees and so will his family. :)

    Besides if the Yankees drew up their draft plans eliminating all the Yankee haters, there’d be a few kids from NJ, NY and CT left. ;)

  174. Jerkface June 7th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    I’m not sure if anyone has done a new article since the last one I found which was like 2007… so the ERA’s will be high :)

  175. G. Love June 7th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Doreen,

    I know it’s much ado about nothing. On the bright side, we’re going to convert some Yankee haters into lovers so there’s that, lol.

  176. blake June 7th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    “There are some articles sometimes where they do this. I think Hardball Times has one. The last one I read it was like:

    #1 3.40 ERA #2 3.60 ERA #3 4.25 ERA #4 5 ERA #5 6 ERA #6 8 ERA”

    Hughes is a #3 by that definition.

  177. austinmac June 7th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Shame,

    I generally think the pitcher number designation has little value. A number three for whom? A lousy team or a team with a good staff? Or is a statistically average pitcher is a no. 3? Or is he a no. 4?

  178. Doreen June 7th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    G. Love,

    That’s the way to look at it!

    I am surprised though that any prospective draftee would make such a definitive statement!

  179. blake June 7th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    it’s all arbitrary…..

  180. Jerkface June 7th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Suspended players are just placed on the restricted list, and the CBA don’t say jack about the restricted list interfering with the luxury tax. Anyways it would be a nice consolation since so much of the CBA is designed to absolutely screw the Yankees.

  181. comnsnse June 7th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Blake, are you being provocative or are you simply being curious of why fans have opinions which is what blogs are for, yes?

    I am not a professional scout nor are you therefore any opinions are based on professionals in several areas of the game and baseball journals.

    I personally am also basing my own opinions on previous players like the first three picks on comparable players from past drafts and their relative success at the professional levels.

    But if it does make you feel better I do ask someone who coaches at the MLB level as I do with NFL questions of someone who was a pro coach for 30 years.

    PS, their picks and opinions as are fans are also often “out to lunch” since this is not an exact science.

    In closing fellow fan who seems to have an unlimited amount of “opinion” to share and does, have I satisfied your inquiry?

  182. Ghostwriter June 7th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    You would expect a league-average pitcher to be a number-3. Hughes has been pretty close to that.

  183. blake June 7th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    “Blake, are you being provocative or are you simply being curious of why fans have opinions which is what blogs are for, yes?”

    curious. Curious how you can form grades based on reading pundit opinions that are different from the same pundit opinions. Anyway….you’re entitled to your “opinions”…

  184. Shame Spencer June 7th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    :arrow:

  185. champ809 June 7th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

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    Firstly, he’s in the middle of what may end up being his best season when you consider his current production hitting naked the first 2 months of the season. We are approaching that time of the year where Robbie is typically the best hitter in baseball for about 2 months coinciding with Tex coming back swinging a hot bat, giving Robbie real protection and allowing him to see hittable pitches. He may hit 40+ Hrs something that hasn’t been done by a 2B since Brett Boone was shooting the stuff.

    Secondly, does anybody on here think that Jeter wasn’t worth his $ from ages 31-38? he had 1 “poor” season and if Robbie does decline as a hitter at the backend of his career he’ll most likely still post #’s comp to some of Jeet’s best seasons… for example if robbie @ age 36 goes .290-.305/24HRs/90-100rbis still playing an above average 2B is he killing the team?

    Hitting talent like Robbie’s doesn’t just disappear overnight. His bat speed & power is effortless and his hand/eye is off the charts. I can actually see him becoming a more strike zone disciplined hitter as he gets older.

    I’d like to see him re-signed for 6/7 yrs but if it takes 8 then so be it I won’t worry about that last season I’ll more cherish the next 6 or so and the next 2 rings I believe he’ll lead this next group to.

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