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Swept: Yankees offense does it again (which is to say, did almost nothing)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 13, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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The Yankees pitching staff has very little margin for error these days, and when Mariano Rivera finally gave up a run in the 18th inning, it sent the Yankees to a 3-2 loss that completed an A’s sweep in Oakland and left last weekend in Seattle feeling like a long lost memory of long gone better days. The heart of the Yankees order blew three prime scoring opportunities in extra innings, and Nate Freiman made them pay with a walk-off single off the last available reliever who hadn’t pitched the past two nights.

Mark Teixeira, Travis Hafner, Kevin Youklis and Vernon Wells combined to go 0-for-28 with 12 strikeouts, and they were at their very worst when given a chance to take a late lead. Hafner and Youkilis struck out to strand the bases loaded in the 11th. Hafner flied out, and Youkilis and Wells struck out to strand two more runners in the 13th. Teixeira popped out to leave the bases loaded in the 14th. Hafner, Youkilis and Wells went down in order in the 15th, then did the same in the 18th.

Brett Gardner started the game with a double, and two batters later, Robinson Cano hit a two-run homer. In five pitches, the Yankees had snapped a five-game homerless streak and matched their extra-base hit total for the previous three games combined. But as soon as the offense arrived, it disappeared again. In the next nine innings, the Yankees got only two more runners into scoring position, and they never again had two runners on base in the same inning until that blown opportunity in the 11th.

The A’s came back to tie the game in the third, scoring one run on a ground out and another on a double, when the throw home beat the play but Chris Stewart pulled the ball out of his glove in the process of applying the tag. After the play at the plate, Kuroda retired the next 16 in a row and finished with two runs on two hits through eight innings. Adam Warren pitched six scoreless, getting help when Stewart held onto the ball through a vicious collision for the second out of the 15th. It was a stunning play that only delayed the inevitable.

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198 Responses to “Swept: Yankees offense does it again (which is to say, did almost nothing)”

  1. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Blow this offense up. I mean seriously, blow it up.

  2. Tyler June 13th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Neal shouldn’t be the only move. Bring up Musty.. Bring up anybody. And play Adams and Romine.

  3. Pat M. June 13th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Hope this doesn’t translate into a downward spiral

  4. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Mo sux
    Yankees suck
    Cashman sux
    Injuries suck
    This blog sucks

  5. longtimefan June 13th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Wells, besides being over the hill is a quitter, had play at 3rd wanted this game over, this whole team is pathetic

  6. Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    I would rather have Warren blow the game instead of Mo. It seems like Mo gives up a hit or 2 every time he pitches. Oh well the offense blew this one.

  7. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Wells should be DFA’d, Hafner and Youk should be DL’d, assuming none of them are ready to retire immediately.

    Adams, Musty, and Neal should get their AB for the next month.

  8. NYY fan in NH June 13th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Gotta be the low point of the early season with this 18 inning, 2 run loss. Loss for words as to where this offense is headed. Cashman don’t look so good right now.

  9. Tyler June 13th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Wells should be DFA’d, Hafner and Youk should be DL’d, assuming none of them are ready to retire immediately.
    —————————————————————————-

    I wish they’d retire immediately :)

  10. longtimefan June 13th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Youngster could not be any worse than these over paid has beens

  11. RSM June 13th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    The Early 90′s Part II

  12. igotid88 June 13th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Trade Riveraaaaaaaaaaaaa

  13. Niblick June 13th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Wow, the Yankee suckitude has even enveloped Mo.

  14. Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    I really don’t like Wells’ non hustle, he is lucky that he hasn’t been released yet. If Mo is asking for the ball how do you not throw the ball to 3rd? He didn’t even try to get the lead runner and just gave up. He is too lazy.

  15. bruceb June 13th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Hearty congratulations to the pitchers who gave yeoman service today.

    To the offense, particularly Tex, Hafner and Wells, feck u.

  16. igotid88 June 13th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Trade CC for 3 outfielders of similar valuuuuuee

  17. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Excuse me Chad but get real. This is the exact same team that won three games over the weekend. There’s been no transformation. Sometimes the final score has little to say about who you are. This team has been terrible for over a month. Their luck has just dried up which in a just universe is exactly what should have happened.

  18. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Good thing is that this feels like a night game that ended fast

  19. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    This is like 2005 when Cashman forced Cano and Wang on the roster.

    They don’t have that type of talent to bring up, but they have options and they would be fools not to try them out.

  20. NYY fan in NH June 13th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Vernon Wells 0-8 seriously???? Youkilis 0-7.. That’s tough to take right there

  21. leeteam June 13th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Absolutely awful!!! 0-for-28
    Oakland pitched a no-hitter against Teixeira, Hafner, Youklis and Wells.

    The Yankees’ DEAD zone.

  22. RhapsodyInBlue June 13th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Project donkey has failed.

  23. theREALkevin June 13th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Just to recap what others were posting: Hafter, Youkilis and Wells were a combined 0-23 tonight. If you include Tex it’s 0-28. No hits in 28 at bats. Not even a bloop single. Utterly pathetic.

    Cashman always has a snide response for everything but it’s hard to defend this. I guess he would point to their record still but that’s hardly comforting. There’s a lot of games to be played still and this team could easily miss the playoffs even with second wild card. Even if they make it they won’t go far and overall this roster is going in the wrong direction. Just poorly constructed. Not enough youth sprinkled in, and the farm system just hasn’t been built well enough. Therefore they have to rely on past their primes, praying they’ll contribute geezers like Wells, Overbay, Youkilis, etc. And what’s sad they couldn’t even get some of those guys for pennies like they sometimes do.

  24. jacksquat June 13th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    jacksquat June 13th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    A home run! That means we are going to win, right?

    :sad:

  25. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Also, Oakland didn’t look so fantastic
    We were only two crappy pitching performances and one AA offense away from a sweep ourselves

  26. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    The Yankees left 30 men on base. (in comparison, Oak, 15)

  27. bruceb June 13th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    This sweep feels far worse than last year’s. The absolute futility of seeing the lineup fail time and time again is absolutely sickening. The only way we as fans can vote is with our feet. Much as I love the Yankees, I hope the Stadium is empty when we are out of contention by mid-August (if not sooner).

  28. longtimefan June 13th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Hefner, Wells, and Youkilis, package them up trade them for a good grounds keeper

  29. Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    they have options and they would be fools not to try them out.
    ————

    I think Girardi is part of the problem when it comes to change. He doesn’t like the unknown and if the player goes 0-10 he wouldn’t play them anymore. If Adams isn’t playing 3rd base tomorrow then Cashman/Girardi are morons.

  30. Pat M. June 13th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    It’s a good time for Mariano to hang em up…..

  31. RhapsodyInBlue June 13th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Seriously Joe what more could you have done at this point in the game to inspire Oakland to win then bring in Mo?

    You were better off letting Claiborne work out of the inning.

  32. DONNYBROOK June 13th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Yea, the offense sucked, but really the Yanks shoulda won 2-0 in 9. Kuroda fell asleep out there, and the A’s ran on him resulting in 2 runs. Blame Kuroda this time.

  33. Triple Short of a Cycle June 13th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Also, Oakland didn’t look so fantastic
    We were only two crappy pitching performances and one AA offense away from a sweep ourselves

    ———————————

    They were missing 2 of their best hitters for games

  34. theREALkevin June 13th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Captain Clutch, Wells did not pass on throwing it to 3rd because of lack of hustle. He thought there was no play and he didn’t want to potentially make a bad throw if there wasn’t a play in the first place. I personally think it was worth a shot, but the runner almost certainly would have been safe. It’s fine to critique Wells, he’s been awful, but it’s not about lack of effort.

  35. longtimefan June 13th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Pitching is not this teams problem

  36. Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    @DanBarbarisi

    Girardi says he expects several roster moves for yankees before tomorrow’s game. Pitchers with options, look out.

  37. longtimefan June 13th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Wells had the runner at third by a few feet, held the ball, that is lack of effort

  38. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Arod in Miami tweeting pics of him hooking up with Kim k, Lindsay Logan, Miley Cyrus and that stoned arrested wig blonde, all during this dh

  39. Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Warren is out of here tomorrow and maybe Adams for a fresh arm

  40. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    And folks need to stop talking playoffs or whatever. This is probably not even a .500 team now. A bigger problem is the total dearth of talent throughout the whole organization including the minor leagues. This will get much much uglier before it gets better. The earlier management can identify the problem and stop with the bandaids, the sooner they will solve it.

  41. theREALkevin June 13th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    “Also, Oakland didn’t look so fantastic”

    I agree, without Cespedes that team is kinda ordinary. They have to hope he comes back healthy and regains his form from last year. A lot of guys that played well for them last season have really come back to earth this year, Reddick has been terrible, same with Moss for the most part. Luckily for them Donaldson has played really really well but I certainly wasn’t all that impressed with him in this series. Their pitching is pretty good though and that should keep them competitive.

  42. theREALkevin June 13th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    “Wells had the runner at third by a few feet”

    Disagree

  43. RadioKev June 13th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    They better take Warren out tonight

  44. longtimefan June 13th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Girardi. Don t worry about the veterans, media guys still soft balling the questions

  45. JT June 13th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Well kids, the road to getting under the salary cap is going to have some unpleasant stops like today….

  46. Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    I really don’t get how the A’s have such a good record this last year. The pitching is obviously good but the lineup is filled with a bunch of nobodies. Their lineup is like the Rays, one good hitter and garbage everywhere else.

  47. theREALkevin June 13th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    He should have tried, there was a small chance they would have gotten him. But it’s not lack of effort. Wells thought there wasn’t a play, Rivera was not stationary he was running to cover, he was worried about that as well. It is ridiculously easy to throw the ball to third from that short of a distance. If a guy is going to dog it it’s not on a short throw like that, it’s running to first and things like that

  48. longtimefan June 13th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Recorded game watched replay at 3rd three times, runner would have been out

  49. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    The Yankees have 2 options :

    1) Bring up their in-house guys, i.e. Musty, Neal, etc.

    2) Trade for a bat

  50. theREALkevin June 13th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    “wasn’t all that impressed with him”

    Meant “them” not “him”.

    Alright I’m out, looking forward to seeing what changes are made if any. I don’t really think they’ll start playing better though until they get away from the west coast.

  51. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Trade Ron Davis for Roy smalley

  52. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Warren and Claiborne were fantastic.

    Nova or Marshall to replace Warren ?

  53. theREALkevin June 13th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    “Recorded game watched replay at 3rd three times, runner would have been out”

    Dude I don’t agree, I saw it also, it’s fine if you think that though. My main point was that it wasn’t about laziness or anything by Wells. If you want to question his decision fair enough but he wasn’t dogging it by not throwing there.

  54. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Marshall pitched tonight.

  55. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    When the middle of your lineup puts up numbers like today’s you should not just accept the status quo.

    Shake some things up.

  56. longtimefan June 13th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    RealKevin, it’s ok to be wrong, dud

  57. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Looks like Nova then.

    Can’t get reall excited about that.

    Still not commanding that FB.

    Betances ?

    Too bad MM is injured.

  58. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Same with Nuno.

    :(

  59. jlyanks85 June 13th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    A’s team is overrated. It’s the same money all team beane has built for the last decade that won’t get past the first round. They won because they faced a team that’s terrible.

  60. jlyanks85 June 13th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    *moneyball

  61. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    Potential new Yankee fans at 6 years old should be required to watch that entire game as boot camp

  62. Mike in Harrisburg June 13th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    I agree with bigdan22. The writing has been in the wall for some time with this squad and now the statistical chickens are coming home to roost. Need a major shakeup. I hope the FO feels the same way we all seem to.

  63. jacksquat June 13th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Teixeira, Hafner, Youkilis and Wells combined for 20 runners left on base, wow.

  64. Jerkface June 13th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Even the A’s radio guys thought he would have been out if Wells had actually thrown the ball

  65. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Cashman ran out of hooters without paying his bill, looking for a pay phone in hunts point

  66. DONNYBROOK June 13th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    We all appreciate the job Overbay did for 2 months, but the dude is toast. He goes, and if the price is right, Eric Young Jr is added to provide the spark this team needs.

  67. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Epic fail by the band-aid brigade.

    :(

  68. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Well all be sorely disappointed when we see the same lineup tomorrow

    Giro doesn’t care or respect what we think, he’s the manager of the Frilkin ny yankees

  69. Jerkface June 13th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    We all appreciate the job Overbay did for 2 months, but the dude is toast.

    Overbay is certainly the easiest guy to cut. I agree that his clock is ticking closer to done.

  70. Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    @BNightengale

    Awful news for the #Rockies, as MVP candidate Troy Tulowitzki breaks rib in thier loss, and headed to DL

  71. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Not much likely to happen before the TD.

    Musty and Neal look like the only options for now.

    Both require 40 Man moves I believe.

  72. RadioKev June 13th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Exactly how bad does a breaking ball on the outside corner have to be in order for Wells to to hit it? Could be an interesting study.

  73. Jerkface June 13th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Awful news for the #Rockies, as MVP candidate Troy Tulowitzki breaks rib in thier loss, and headed to DL

    Tulo made of glass :(

  74. Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    I wonder if Youk looks this bad because he missed a month or is he done?! It’s probably a little of both.

  75. beedogs June 13th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    2 runs in 18 innings.

    What an absolutely horrible excuse for a team. DFA the whole lot of ‘em and bring up the Scranton team. They can’t possibly be any worse.

  76. jacksquat June 13th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Need Arod back, I don’t care if he has needles falling out of his back pocket when he hits.

  77. jacksquat June 13th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    And Jeter, and even Granderson.

  78. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Tulo is injury prone.

  79. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    MTU, I had been advocating a trade for a bat for some time now pointing out that Phelps was an ideal (and perhaps only) candidate for such a trade. But to get a return of value the Yanks would have to include top prospect(s) which they really don’t have. I think the Phelps or pitching for bat trade probably should wait till the off season. The big hope has to be a much much better second half from their Trenton guys. Otherwise they’ll be no one to trade.

    I’ve been proposing promoting Neal and Almonte for some time now. It’s probably no panacea but moving the furniture is all they really can do now. But if they would cut Ichiro, platoon Tex and Wells (with Almonte) and start Neal everyday in right that would be the courageous and appropriate thing to do.

  80. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    He’d be perfect for the Yankees.

    :)

  81. DONNYBROOK June 13th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    More like 0 runs in 17 innings.

  82. pkyankfan69 June 13th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    I just saw This is the End, awesome movie… Much more enjoyable then watching the Yankees fail to score 17 straight innings.

  83. berniebaseball June 13th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    perhaps Wells didn’t throw because he’s lost his confidence, which is understandable. if that’s the case he needs to sit indefinitely or be released or traded. good guy, but he’s literally of no use to this team, hasn’t been for too long now.

  84. fantasygame101 June 13th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    awful news for the Yankees. hafner, wells, youk are all healthy and not headed to dl.

  85. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    If our lineup was avg., literally the AL mean, we’d be running away with the league

  86. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    jacksquat June 13th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Need Arod back, I don’t care if he has needles falling out of his back pocket when he hits.

    —————–

    :lol:

  87. RadioKev June 13th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
    @BNightengale

    Awful news for the #Rockies, as MVP candidate Troy Tulowitzki breaks rib in thier loss, and headed to DL
    ———-

    So much for my fantasy team

  88. Mike in Harrisburg June 13th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Sucks for the Rox. CarGo also got just tagged by a foul ball in the on deck circle, on his already balky ankle. That’s Colorado’s problem, their stars are made of glass.

  89. jacksquat June 13th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    berniebaseball June 13th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    perhaps Wells didn’t throw because he’s lost his confidence

    He didn’t seem to lack confidence or arm strength making that throw to the plate.

  90. MTU June 13th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    It’s time to shake things up in so far as they are able.

    Chop out the dead wood. Replant with whatever seed is available.

    ;)

  91. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    I am very curious to see how long they go tomorrow without scoring

  92. implosion June 13th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    The YANKEES ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE….. THE METS.

  93. berniebaseball June 13th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    true, perhaps it was just the 18 innings…

  94. exiledintampa June 13th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Wells has been Randy Winn bad.

  95. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    That KC kid who threw out the first pitch last night via TV camera should start in LF tomorrow

  96. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    That KC kid who threw out the first pitch last night via TV camera should start in LF tomorrow

    ————–

    I wonder if that Tupac hologram is available.. ?

  97. implosion June 13th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    A few thoughts. CC can hit or at least he could. I would have used him. Joe refuses to make the super stars bunt as it is beneath them. This is a poorly run business despite the numbers you all through at me re there profit. The product stinks, sales are down and customer satisfaction is way down. I am not a baseball God but I know business and I could fix the business side of this in 60 days flat. Night the best seats in the house are empty, the place feels like a funeral parlor and the fans are not involved nor having fun even when the team is winning. There is so much wrong now beside the lack of offense that it is comical.

  98. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Ortiz looks like Mr 3000

  99. Jerkface June 13th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    I wonder if that Tupac hologram is available.. ?

    Maybe we can get the Reagan hologram and we’ll have some runs trickle down from the good offensive ball clubs to us.

  100. implosion June 13th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    OH and Tex will never hit above .265 again in his career. He is an utter and total waste of a roster spot. Lazy lazy and more lazy is he. Oh but he plays good D.

  101. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Kanye West just tweeted that he is the Vernon wells of fatherhood

  102. astrocityfan June 13th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    As I understand it they have an open spot on the 40. Which means there is no excuse to not add Neal or musty. You have several guys to choose from on the roster to dump. There will definitely be a bus load of changes tomorrow but I doubt we see any that make a difference.

  103. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Wow – this from Axisa says a mouthful. It will be interesting to see if there’s fall out from a “Yankee affiliated blog”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....oss-88753/

  104. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Ok, I just watched the trailer for This is the End. Pretty damn funny. Are all of Judd’s people in that movie? Sink hole de mayo haha

  105. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    “I’ve had meetings where a guy actually told me, “What we’re trying to figure out is how we can control you.” In the meeting, to me! Why do you want to control me? Like, I want the world to be better! All I want is positive! All I want is dopeness! Why would you want to control that? ” – Kanye West

    I agree with Kanye that we need more dopeness right now..

  106. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Maybe we can get the Reagan hologram and we’ll have some runs trickle down from the good offensive ball clubs to us.

    ——————–

    :D

    There’s also an Elvis hologram. Elvis in RF, Reagan in LF, Tupac in CF.

  107. UnKnown June 13th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    So I’m thinking the offense is a problem. I don’t want to jump to any conclusions though… #**#/! $*&#

  108. UnKnown June 13th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    O B V I O U S! ! ! ! ! !

  109. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    What is happening to the world when a handsome smart wealthy well hung guy like me has to even know the name of someone called kanye west

  110. pkyankfan69 June 13th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    bigdan22 says:
    June 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    Ok, I just watched the trailer for This is the End. Pretty damn funny. Are all of Judd’s people in that movie? Sink hole de mayo haha
    —————–
    It’s awesome, don’t try to learn anymore about the movie before you see it…. The trailer mostly only shows clips from the first half hour.

  111. astrocityfan June 13th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    We don’t need an Elvis hologram, the real thing isn’t any older than half the current roster.

  112. bruceb June 13th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Excellent column by Axisa, which says it all.

    This para is brilliant:

    The Yankees lost on Thursday because they’re desperate. Desperate to hold onto the last glimmer of success from the dynasty years and afraid (unable?) to adapt and move forward with a new chapter in franchise history. Now they’re left with this laughable relic of a roster that is caught between being not truly good enough to contend and not bad enough to completely tear down and rebuild. It’s a very dangerous place to be, just ask the Phillies.

  113. Pat M. June 13th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Great piece, now forward it to Hal and his cronies….

  114. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    From the article I just linked to:

    Of course, the team’s reliance on over-the-hill has-beens could have been mitigated if the farm system Brian Cashman has been talking about since getting his “autonomy” in 2005 actually produced a competent everyday player once in a while. Eduardo Nunez? Frankie Cervelli? lol. I’m sure Zoilo Almonte will come ride in on a white horse to save the day. The Yankees have done a fine job talking the talk when it comes to building from within and developing their own players, but they’ve fallen flat on their face when it comes to walking the walk. Outside of the Mariners, I’m not sure any team has gotten less from more out of their farm system than New York in recent years.

  115. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Thanks pkyankfan69. Good advice. I hate learning too much about a movie before I see it. On a seemingly apocalyptic day for Yankee fans, that movie could be the best medicine :)

  116. Pat M. June 13th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Oh by the way, The Oakland A’s are a very good and fundamentally sound ballclub… It was no fluke that they broomed the Yanks out of the East Bay

  117. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    bruce and pat – he’s been saying what we’ve all been saying.

    The farm has failed. The idea of supplementing through dumpster diving was turned into construction through dumpster diving.

    It is a team without direction.

  118. kotulak52488 June 13th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Yankees really need to go back to the drawing board as far as player development. Start developing more hitters like Allen Craig. Start looking at what the Cardinals are doing. Allen Craig isn’t a superstar by any stretch of the imagination, so this excuse that the Yankees can’t develop players because they pick at the bottom of the draft is nonsense. You can find an Allen Craig player in the draft, the problems is when you have Cashman who is only hell bent on superstars in the draft you can see why they fail so miserably at player development. Even when they are fully healthy I dismiss so many of these guys, because they’ll always figure out in the end to get themselves out. Everyone brings up sabermetrics, well the sabermetric that needs to be used more is F-Strike% or first pitch strike, this gauges what a hitter is going to do in a particular count and provides a better assessment as to whether this patient hitting strategy at the plate is really all that cut out to be.

    Let me give you an example as to why this sabermetric needs to be looked at deeper. Curt Schilling in the 2001 season had hitters hit 421 when they put the first pitch in play. In contrast when hitters too the first pitch for a strike, hitters hit 171 for the rest of the at bat. Forget about sample size, because unless more hitters make more of a willingness to swing at the first pitch, they will continue to operate under the assumed but not proven assumption that being patient works. You can’t use sample size as a measure unless it’s proven that more hitters exercise an opportunity to accurately validate an assumption. It’s a different animal taking strike 1 right down the middle and working the count only to make an out. Missed opportunities are never taken into an account in an at bat.

  119. Dill Pickler June 13th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Wells wishes he’s been Randy Winn bad. Even Randy Winn didn’t hit .097 for 72 at-bats, the way Wells has. with ONE extra-base hit. One. He is 7 for 72, people. That’s not a slump. That’s an end to a career.

    It’s time for Vern to go. That’s a start.

    Yankee fans need to STOP going to games. Stop putting money in the Steinbrenners’ pockets. They need to know that this is not acceptable. Fielding a team of washed-up has-beens and garbage dump losers in Yankee pinstripes should not be acceptable. Period. Let them feel it in in the wallet. Yankee stadium should be a sea of emptiness when this collection of pathetic losers returns home. It should be so empty in the stadium that the losers hear echoes coming back to them when they speak.

  120. Jerkface June 13th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    The A’s are the best in team in baseball over the last calendar year. 108 wins in their last 162 games.

  121. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Orioles fans have to be the goofiest of all

  122. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Wow – this from Axisa says a mouthful. It will be interesting to see if there’s fall out from a “Yankee affiliated blog”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/…..oss-88753/

    ——————–

    I can’t find anything there to disagree with.. he really had a go at them.

  123. bruceb June 13th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Thanks for the heads-up, Chip.

    The As are a good team but they’re a much more dangerous team with Cespedes. Wouldn’t have gone 18 if he’d been playing today.

    I’m not that surprised by the repeated failures of Ichiro, Tex and Wells but I am by Youkilis. I thought he was a better competitor than that. Do these guys have no pride?

  124. Shame Spencer June 13th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Darvish pitching another crazy good game.. :mad:

  125. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Jerkface –

    This isn’t about the A’s. This is about the Yankees right now. That they are losing isn’t the issue. If you look at what they’re doing – poor player development, bad free agent signings – it’s the business model of teams like the Devil Rays (not to be confused with the Rays), Orioles of the early 2000s, Pirates, Mets and others – that’s what terrifies me as a fan.

  126. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Ok I’m going to disagree with Axisa a bit. (Great article tho). The Yanks’ demise is more connected to a fundamental change in the dynamics of team building brought about by the end of the steroid era and a change in team economics. The acquisition of hitters via free agency has been a hallmark and generally successful strategy of the Steinbrenner era. Long term investment in hitters (Reggie, Winfield, Giambi) have generally worked. The thinking was you needed to develop your own pitching. We know now that hitters in their early prime years are rarely on the market and, because of the end of PEDs, the latter years of long term contracts are less team friendly. We really are going back to the pre Catfish Hunter/George years of team building. It’s all about the farm system. And Axisa in spot on there. The Yanks farm and player development system has been a miserable failure. And their inexplicable move to frugality a few years ago in the international and domestic amateur markets was part of that.

    But overall, great job Axisa.

  127. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    “The A’s are the best in team in baseball over the last calendar year. 108 wins in their last 162 games.”

    And they currently have a $62m payroll.

    I wonder if Hal even knows.

  128. Jerkface June 13th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Chip,

    I know, I was just saying. The A’s are a good team even without cespedes. Like, lets head off anyone trying to say ‘well the A’s only scored 3 runs today’. The A’s score 5 runs a game, them scoring 3 runs in 18 innings is an aberration. The yankees scoring 2 runs in 18 innings is par for the recent course.

    I hope we see some new faces tomorrow.

  129. mick June 13th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    “The A’s are the best in team in baseball over the last calendar year. 108 wins in their last 162 games.”

    And they currently have a $62m payroll.

    I wonder if Hal even knows.
    ===================
    Hal wants to be the A’s.

  130. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    The scariest part of all for me is that I don’t think Hal has the interest or acumen to effect a positive house cleaning.

    Say he gets rid of Cashman and Girardi, who replaces them? Does Randy Levine just assume more power like Luccino did in Boston when Theo left and just promote a figure head like Billy Eppler? Does he have enough knowledge about the sport to drop Levine as well and go find a Team President who can come in with his own people, really organize the minor league side of things with good player development people, a general manager who can identify talent and a manager who can put those pieces in the right spots to succeed?

    I don’t think he can.

  131. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    “Hal wants to be the A’s.”

    The people he has in charge have given no indication that they can achieve that kind of success.

  132. Pat M. June 13th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Chip….I just sense that the baseball folks are calling the shots anymore or not as much . You hear guys talking about Levine and his cronies having Hal’s ear and Cashman is more of a facilitator than an in control General Manager……I’m not giving Cashman a pass however the stench comes from the offices upstairs

  133. mick June 13th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Nova for Warren.
    Neal . (one spot open on 40?)

  134. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Jerkface June 13th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Chip,

    I know, I was just saying. The A’s are a good team even without cespedes. Like, lets head off anyone trying to say ‘well the A’s only scored 3 runs today’. The A’s score 5 runs a game, them scoring 3 runs in 18 innings is an aberration. The yankees scoring 2 runs in 18 innings is par for the recent course.

    I hope we see some new faces tomorrow.
    ——————-

    My guess is that the only new face we see tomorrow is Ivan Nova with Warren going to AAA because he won’t be available for the next few days.

  135. Hassey June 13th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Hal actually hired brad Pitt and the fat kid to run player development

  136. Pat M. June 13th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Correction….Baseball guys aren’t calling the shots ….sorry

  137. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Pat

    Are the non-baseball folks the reason that the Yankees haven’t developed much beyond relievers since 2006? I don’t think so.

  138. bruceb June 13th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Good point about the free agent market, Dan. Even if the Steinbrenners weren’t intent on reducing payroll to $189 million in 2014, is there anyone out there who would make this team significantly better?

    Clubs like the Mets face that dilemma. They can increase payroll with Bay and Santana off the books but if they want to sign an Ellsbury-caliber player, they’re going to have pay for their retirement.

  139. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Hal is engaged in a business management case study in whether or not it’s possible to devalue one of the great brands in sports history in just a couple of seasons.

    If he is not doing that, he is kind of an idiot.

  140. blake June 13th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Sucks that Mo was the one that gave up the run…..but it was inevitable….the Yankees were never ever going to score so it’s better that it ended then as opposed to dragging on 3 or 4 more innings.

    The offense is Turrible….Charles Barkley voice turrible

  141. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Pat

    Are the non-baseball folks the reason that the Yankees haven’t developed much beyond relievers since 2006? I don’t think so.
    —————–
    Like Axisa said in his article; Cashman talks a good game about developing talent but hasn’t done it in ten years.

  142. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Chip

    I’m just reading that now.

    He is making the kind of comments that I got attacked for at RAB over the offseason.

  143. G. Love June 13th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Not much else to say about this offense other than it’s clear to me that this team doesn’t care how these hitters play. They’re okay with the flawed approaches. They’re okay with the rapid declines. They’re okay with the brain dead going through the motions at bats. They’re okay with all of it.

    If they weren’t okay with it, they’d do something different.

    But they won’t. Because the Yankees don’t care and the joke is on all of us for caring even a bit.

    They think, just like some delusional folks in here, that just slapping on Pinstripes makes these guys heroes. Those fans don’t remember the days of Mel Hall and Henry Cotto.

    Great pitching combined with the worst offense I’ve ever seen since the early 90′s equals a bad team.

    Maybe they’ll wake up in Anaheim, but who really cares. The fundamental problem with this team is our 1b, DH, 3b, LF, RF–all of which are positions you’re supposed to be dripping with offense from.

    Tex and Youk came back to spoil the party we were having. I knew that Tex would do that because I feel he will go down as one of the worst signings in Yankee history before it’s all said and done. He’s a soulless multi millionaire who has been resting on his laurels and the noted back of his baseball card for 4 years now.

    It is what it is and this offense is horrid and an embarrassment. The sad thing is we feel it more than any of these players do with a few exceptions.

  144. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    That really was my point of disagreement with Axisa bruceb and I don’t think I made it as well as I could of. Last offseason, even if they weren’t being cheap with long term contracts, I don’t think there was anyone out there to buy. Axisa misses that. Which brings us back to the pre-Catfish era. The Yanks have to develop their own prime time players and use free agency to fill in around the margins.

  145. mick June 13th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    The people he has in charge have given no indication that they can achieve that kind of success.
    =========================
    They feel they have started to develop a farm far more than in the past.
    This will take infinite patience for the Yankee fan who is used to immediate success.
    Without the sprinkling of the expensive FA this dream will be next to impossible and it doesn’t look they have the stones to invest anymore due to past bad contracts.
    Where have the great baseball minds like Gabe Paul and Gene Michael gone?
    The business of baseball is being run by a corporate type who want to run this like one of their business ventures but know nothing about baseball.

  146. G. Love June 13th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    As for the River Avenue guy finally letting loose? Good for him. I just wish he had to deal with some of the mental midgets we all had to deal with in here this off-season when we all posted the same exact rant before the season began.

    I hope J.AP & Randy reads that rant on RAB. None of us were “haters” or “negative”. We were honest and we were eviscerated for it by the insane.

  147. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    “They feel they have started to develop a farm far more than in the past.”

    Since Cashman got more power way back in 2006 and said that thing were going to change exactly the way you say they are supposedly changing now, I think that’s just empty spin on their part.

  148. G. Love June 13th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Rich,

    It’s all empty spin. Everything that comes out of the front office’s mouth and Girardi’s post game mouth is empty spin.

    It stinks rooting for a team run like this.

  149. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Cashman and his people are always excited about what they have in the farm. Why should we believe that Austin, Williams, Heathcott, DePaula, Sanchez, Ramirez and Campos will have any more impact than Jackson, Montero, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Betances and Banuelos have been?

  150. mick June 13th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    When have the Yankees depended on their farm system?
    Why would the richest team in sports worry about developing youngsters?
    They have always depended on their assets to buy what they need.
    The fans almost need guarantees and youngsters don’t provide this.
    Their farm system looks richer now than ever before.

  151. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    It would be nice to bring back Gabe Paul and Stick, but I’d rather have a 21st century Branch Rickey. I want fundamental change in how players are selected, developed and promoted to the big leagues. Sabermetrics is not the revolution. It’s a tool. And it’s best stuff came out a long time ago with the Abstract and OBP and park effects. Most of the recent stuff I think is overstated in value. The revolution hasn’t happened yet. It needs a leader.

  152. mick June 13th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    I hope J.AP & Randy reads that rant on RAB. None of us were “haters” or “negative”. We were honest and we were eviscerated for it by the insane.
    ===============
    G Love- Have to respectfully disagree.
    The 2 of them did their share of taunting.

  153. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    mick June 13th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    When have the Yankees depended on their farm system?
    Why would the richest team in sports worry about developing youngsters?
    They have always depended on their assets to buy what they need.
    The fans almost need guarantees and youngsters don’t provide this.
    Their farm system looks richer now than ever before.
    —————–

    Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera.

    And when the Yankees were going out in the market a) they weren’t afraid of big ticket items like they are now and b) the big ticket items that were available are better than the ones available now. With small market teams flush with cash thanks to revenue sharing you don’t see a team like Toronto dumping a David Cone or a Minnesota needing to unload Chuck Knoblauch…those guys are getting locked up to long term deals and the guys who are getting to free agency are either older (Pujols) or highly flawed (Hamilton)

  154. Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    “When have the Yankees depended on their farm system?”

    As recently as 2008, when at the beginning of the season Cashman said that Hughes, IPK, and Joba were to compromise 3/5 of the rotation as soon as Joba got stretched out.

    But injuries happened, and that “plan” was scrubbed from the official Yankee messaging.

  155. Pat M. June 13th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Tin Cup, where art thou ???? We spoke back during the early days of February that they’d be in many games like this because the staff is so good. The key was to win more of these close low scoring games than to lose of course and that’s not happening anymore. facing The Halos in Anaheim is not a very good recipe for getting well

  156. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    That’s a real good point Chip that I missed. Those trades for Cone and Knoblauch were a key part of the Yanks’ success. They really weren’t trades but rather free agent acquisitions. Money bought those guys. That era is over.

  157. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    Rich,

    It’s true – ever since Cashman made the decision to pass on Johan Santana and Kennedy and Hughes flamed out the Yankees have been terrified of letting their prospects play for them.

  158. blake June 13th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    I agree with pretty much everything Axisa said in that smoke coming out if his ears rant

  159. Tyler June 13th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    It really is amazing to look at the lack of positional players produced since Cashman got more power (back in ’05 I think?). Even of the guys that the Yanks have traded, A-Jax and Gardner might be the only legit big leaguers. Tabata is a 4th outfielder at best and others just haven’t developed.

  160. mick June 13th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera.
    ===============================
    They got lucky.
    You don’t know what this current crop will bring and they seem to have more of them then when Jeter and Co. arrived.
    This has never been their m.o. and the average fan won’t stand for it or have any patience.They don’t know what losing is yet. The older fan does.
    They will lose before they win again if they have to wait on the youth.

  161. Pat M. June 13th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Not to be redundant, but this all started by the non-signing of Coors Field driven stat monster Matt Holliday. Then of course there was the Cuban outfielders that were too rich and too suspect for the dudes in the Brooks Brothers suits

  162. austinmac June 13th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Yes, Axisa is saying what many here have been saying since October. They have no clue which way to go other than no contracts for next year unless they are really stupid ones.

    Where are our positive posters who treated many of us as ignorant know-nothing’s for not understanding the Yankees grand plan?

  163. mick June 13th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Where are our positive posters who treated many of us as ignorant know-nothing’s for not understanding the Yankees grand plan?
    =======================
    You really are an instigator.
    This is why you people were excoriated by the good guys.

  164. blake June 13th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    “Not to be redundant, but this all started by the non-signing of Coors Field driven stat monster Matt Holliday. ”

    That decision was a turning point…..it represented a shift in thinking and operating for the Yankees

  165. yankeefeminista June 13th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    G. Love June 13th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
    As for the River Avenue guy finally letting loose? Good for him. I just wish he had to deal with some of the mental midgets we all had to deal with in here this off-season when we all posted the same exact rant before the season began.

    I hope J.AP & Randy reads that rant on RAB. None of us were “haters” or “negative”. We were honest and we were eviscerated for it by the insane.
    ____
    +1. We wanted and want what was/is best for the Yankees.

  166. austinmac June 13th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Again and again, the team was cheap on the last bastion of financial might, international players. It was obvious the team was on the age precipice but Hal, Levine or Cashman let themselves lose every bid, including the open ones. They chose not to get the players. It was all about the money.

  167. Against All Odds June 13th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Chip June 13th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
    Rich in NJ June 13th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Pat

    Are the non-baseball folks the reason that the Yankees haven’t developed much beyond relievers since 2006? I don’t think so.
    —————–
    Like Axisa said in his article; Cashman talks a good game about developing talent but hasn’t done it in ten years.

    ——————-

    And there lies the problem. Forgot not developing A or A+ type players the Yankee don’t even develop B + guys from. Where are the 2 or 3 guys that aren’t stars but hit for average with a little pop and good defense.

  168. mick June 13th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    The same people who can’t stand the way this team is run do so b/c they are losing and see that on the horizon.
    How did they win in the past? It didn’t really matter as their direction didn’t matter then as they were winning.
    Now the team is old and they will have to change direction and it will not happen overnight.

  169. austinmac June 13th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    The farm system is not rich. They have no sure thing. They have few winning teams. The outfield hopefuls have been anywhere from awful to mediocre.

    We have heard it all for so long. Great drafts of Cole, Culver and Bichette also. Three first round picks and nothing.

  170. 56Bomber June 13th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    I miss George. How is Kevin Long flying under the radar here?

  171. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    The real problem is those Matt Holliday deals aren’t around anymore. I remember when the Yanks had a choice between Mussina and Manny. Those were the days!

  172. Tyler June 13th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    This draft is going to be pretty telling for the Yanks. Analysts were all pretty positive about the Yanks haul and it looks like they are going to get Clarkin signed next week to complete the trio signing. These aren’t Cito Culver and Bichette Jr. overdrafts. These are guys with legitimate potential. We’ll see if they can develop them and move them through the system.

  173. Against All Odds June 13th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    G. Love June 13th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
    As for the River Avenue guy finally letting loose? Good for him. I just wish he had to deal with some of the mental midgets we all had to deal with in here this off-season when we all posted the same exact rant before the season began.

    ——–

    He’s dealt with the mental midgets on there. Whenever he took a hard slant on the team over the past several months he was bombarded with “Mike is too negative. He is trolling. What happened to Mike we used to know. You’re just trying to drive traffic to your site. I liked it better when you weren’t this negative.”

    Hell read some pf the comments on there now.

  174. austinmac June 13th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    The team won in the past by spending. Now, no spending and few players to spend it on. This was all very foreseeable. It was foreseen and expressed by many.

  175. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Axisa’s strongest points are the farm system, and his indirect reference to cheapness which really played out in the amateur markets. The two year deal to Ichiro made no sense, but the Yanks simply didn’t have a lot of options last off season.

  176. G. Love June 13th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Odds,

    I can’t do that blog for the most part. I’ve read the comments and I wondered if the posters were for real or Yankee interns or something. They all seem to drink the Kool Aid that Pinstripes can do no wrong there and it’s frustrating to someone who likes real honest discussion and not pie in the sky fluff.

  177. Pat M. June 13th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    Yanks should have moved the few real attractive chips this winter and restocked their cupboards somewhat with an eye towards 2014-2015

  178. mick June 13th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    As long as the pitchers develop, none of which were mentioned in your diatribe, the Yanks will survive.
    Not all of the young hitters will pan out but some could just as some did before.
    Do you want more bad FA contracts now on top of what we have?
    It might take some time and if Hal never spends again, I will concede you could be correct.
    As I see it he has a 2 year window to cut spending and see what youth develops then go after the FA’s they need.

  179. Chip June 13th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    blake June 13th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    “Not to be redundant, but this all started by the non-signing of Coors Field driven stat monster Matt Holliday. ”

    That decision was a turning point…..it represented a shift in thinking and operating for the Yankees
    ——————

    I don’t think you can pick one move or non-move – there have been a series of things that led us here:

    1. Steve Swindall philandering his way out of the Steinbrenner family – he, not Hal or Hank, was supposed to run the team when George stepped down

    2. The failures of Kennedy and Hughes in 2008 when the team passed on a trade for Johan

    3. The Alex Rodriguez contract becoming a massive albatross.

    4. The organization’s inability to develop a front line starter out of the group of Kennedy, Hughes, Joba, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos (and their complete misread of the Cole situation)

    5. The new CBA and television revenue impacting the way small markets do business.

    6. The Jose Contreras and Kei Igawa disasters scaring the team away from international players

    Brian talks about wanting to build through the farm but he doesn’t have the skill set. He doesn’t have the skills to build the team on a budget because he’s never had to do so in the past. It’s like a sprinter saying he’s going to go out and win the NYC Marathon because he can run fast.

  180. scuzzles June 13th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    These new guys were all hitting the start of the year and were getting clutch singles. Are they all swinging for the fences now with the bases loaded? Did Kevin Long wreck these guys. Long shouldve been fired after last years post season debacle. Im still pissed about that. Good thing Granderson isnt in the line up, or the numbers would be even worse.

  181. bigdan22 June 13th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Think about that. Not long ago you could sign a CC. Choose from Mussina or Manny. Sign a Clemens. Trade for a Cone or Knoblauch. All it took was money and you didn’t have to pay them past the age of 35. That’s the world Cash was brought up in. Any reason to wonder how it’s hard for him to adapt to the present?

  182. Tyler June 13th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Yanks should have moved the few real attractive chips this winter and restocked their cupboards somewhat with an eye towards 2014-2015
    —————————————————————————————-

    I think that Hal believes this will drive fans away but I’d rather watch a young team lose 100 games (and get a top pick) than this team go 82-80.

  183. G. Love June 13th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Pat M,

    Of course they should’ve. But the front office put their heads in the sand and supported an owners objective of slashing payroll going forward to make more profits. They didn’t want to trade off the few “names” they kept because they were still trying to sell “Pride, Power, Pinstripes” to the public.

    If this offense doesn’t get better, they will have more empty seats than filled seats this summer. Fans aren’t going to pay/show up to watch one dimensional hero ball anymore. We’re all sick of it.

  184. G. Love June 13th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    And let’s be honest, as mad at the front office as I get, we Yankee fans are all paying for the sins of Arod and Tex. Their 50 million dollars is money flushed down the toilet now that doesn’t provide a 3-4 in our order to rival other teams. Tex shouldn’t even hit in the middle of the order 2/3rds of the games.

    Those contracts are why we’re being treated to this dreck.

  185. mick June 13th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Fans aren’t going to pay/show up to watch one dimensional hero ball anymore.
    =============
    as soon as jeter gets back the fans will be there to see him.
    heck some will even come to boo arod unless he delivers.

  186. Against All Odds June 13th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    G. Love June 13th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
    Odds,

    I can’t do that blog for the most part. I’ve read the comments and I wondered if the posters were for real or Yankee interns or something. They all seem to drink the Kool Aid that Pinstripes can do no wrong there and it’s frustrating to someone who likes real honest discussion and not pie in the sky fluff.

    ———————–

    Ppl get on Trish for being positive but some of the comments on RAB are just…I don’t know there are no words. I mean Mike has been giving his honest opinion on the team and how hard 189 is and he gets crap thrown at him for it. If he is pointing out the faults of the team how can anyone be mad.

  187. Against All Odds June 13th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    heck some will even come to boo arod unless he delivers.

    —————

    True although they were having some attendance issues last yr as well.

  188. mick June 13th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    all some of you want to do is feel sorry for yourselves.
    oh the big bad fans who don’t see their all knowing predictions for the future.
    who dare to disagree or question.
    the average fan , as you see it, is an idiot and it comes across in your rants.
    this is why you get excoriated…

  189. 56Bomber June 13th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    I think the hardest part about watching this offense is that we’re not even getting productive outs. We didn’t need a clutch hit to win today’s game….all we needed was a productive out.

  190. Tyler June 13th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    mick June 13th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
    all some of you want to do is feel sorry for yourselves.
    oh the big bad fans who don’t see their all knowing predictions for the future.
    who dare to disagree or question.
    the average fan , as you see it, is an idiot and it comes across in your rants.
    this is why you get excoriated…
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    I might understand this better if you add a couple hashtags…

  191. mick June 13th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    hashtag this tyler…. ;)

  192. Captain Clutch June 13th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    By the time Jeter and Arod come back the Yanks could be 10 games out. It doesn’t look like this is going to turn around anytime soon with the washed up players that they have to send out there everyday. The ballpark will be empty Mon-Fri even if Jeter comes back.

  193. mick June 13th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    do you think they are going to keep sending youk hafner & wells out there if they keep this up?

  194. pat June 13th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    @jnorris427
    Just spitballing here, too, but if NYY needs fresh arms for tomorrow, tonight’s rainout means Nik Turley is rested, ready and on 40-man.

  195. Against All Odds June 13th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    mick June 13th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
    do you think they are going to keep sending youk hafner & wells out there if they keep this up?

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    For the foreseeable future yes they will. The team has been known to stick with vets for a while. How long did it take fr Jones to be benched last yr.

  196. Madrugador June 13th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Yanks are buyers or sellers at the trade deadline?

  197. mick June 13th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    For the foreseeable future yes they will. The team has been known to stick with vets for a while. How long did it take fr Jones to be benched last yr.
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    well then lets root for an implosion randy-style for those 3.
    there is nothing we can do about tex.

  198. Dill Pickler June 14th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    “do you think they are going to keep sending youk hafner & wells out there if they keep this up?”

    Again, Wells is 7 for his last 72, with one extra-base hit (a double). That’s .097 for 72 at-bats. How long does someone have to suck for — I mean really, REALLY suck — before they do something? Now, if Wells had been great the last couple of years, I could see giving him some rope. But come on, the guy has been abysmal for a loooong time now, and his 3 good weeks in pinstripes gives him carte blanche to be historically awful indefinitely, in a power position, no less??? And to those who say, “Yeah, but he still hits lefties okay…” No he doesn’t. He doesn’t hit anyone. When you’re hitting .097 for nearly a month, you just plain suck.

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