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Mixing and matching and trying anything

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 15, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Whether yesterday’s flurry of moves made the Yankees any better might depend on whether you consider Thomas Neal an upgrade over Kevin Youkilis or Chris Bootcheck an upgrade over Adam Warren. One thing the moves seem to have done for certain is add a few options and alternatives to the Yankees lineup.

For the time being, first base, second base, center field and catcher are pretty much set. Mark Teixiera is healthy, which means he’s going to play every day. Robinson Cano and Brett Gardner have been the team’s best hitters, so they’re obviously in there. Chris Stewart is hitting for a higher average than expected, and has outperformed young Austin Romine.

But without Youkilis, and with Neal, the Yankees could play around with some different combinations.

Left side of the infield
Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter are rehabbing in Tampa, and their replacements — Youkilis and Eduardo Nunez — have followed them to the disabled list. So the Yankees are left with a trio of Jayson Nix, David Adams and Reid Brignac.
The obvious: Yesterday was a special case because of Thursday’s marathon, but I have to think Nix plays shortstop and Adams is at third against basically every lefty.
The choices: Out of necessity, Nix has played a ton this season. He’s hit against lefties, hasn’t done much against righties, and could probably use a day or two. Brignac is an obvious alternative against righties, but despite being left-handed, Brignac’s vRHP career splits are brutal. The question is, how often should he play? Should Brignac be an everyday guy against right-handers, with Adams occasionally playing against them so that Nix can get a day off? Or should Adams be the regular at third base, with Brignac and Nix splitting the shortstop duty?
The alternative: Corban Joseph is on the 40-man, but the more intriguing option at third base is Ronnier Mustelier. He got off to a slow start, and still hasn’t hit for a ton of power, but he’s starting to heat up in Triple-A. If Adams gets a second chance at regular playing time and stumbles, how long will the Yankees wait before giving Musty a look? You know, assuming his latest injury isn’t serious.

Ichiro SuzukiOutfielder corners
Brett Gardner is the everyday center fielder, but Vernon Wells and Ichiro Suzuki have done little to keep their everyday status in left and right. With Lyle Overbay getting some time in the outfield, and Neal freshly promoted from Triple-A, the Yankees could mix and match.
The obvious: Neal was brought up specifically to face lefties, so he’s probably in there somewhere on that side of a possible platoon. Overbay only hits righties, so when he plays, he’ll be on that side of a platoon. Despite his overall struggles, Wells has actually been alright against lefties this season, and that’s clearly his best fit.
The choices: Ichiro is actually hitting lefties much better than he’s hitting righties, so it’s not quite as simple as platooning Wells/Neal with Ichiro/Overbay. I guess it comes down to who you trust. Overbay has been the best bat of the bunch, but he’s also the least experienced outfielder and presumably the worst defender. Neal has hit both lefties and righties in Triple-A, but will he do the same at this level? Can Girardi play matchups and ride the hot hand from night to night?
The alternative: Mustelier certainly factors into the outfield discussion, but so does Zoilo Almonte. He’s a switch hitter who’s better from the left side, and that’s always made him kind of a bad fit in this left-heavy outfield. Today, though, the Yankees need help against right-handed pitching, and that could be a perfect opportunity for Almonte to get a look.

Designated hitter
Girardi quickly shot down the idea of Travis Hafner no longer getting all of the DH starts against right-handers, but the idea might not be so easily cast aside if Hafner continues to struggle like he has the past three weeks. Hafner has one responsibility, and right now he’s not doing it.
The obvious: Clearly the easy thing to do is stick with Hafner. He was terrific earlier this season and he still has some of the best overall numbers on the team (which says more about the team than Hafner). He’s drawn walks and at times he’s hit for power, but his batting average is undeniably ugly and his recent success is nonexistent.
The choices: Overbay is the obvious immediate alternative. He was terrific as Mark Teixeira’s fill-in, hitting well enough that the Yankees have kept him despite having no obvious role for him. He could slide into this spot against righties if Hafner continues to sink lower. Meanwhile, against righties, the DH spot is basically wide open. The Yankees only have two right-handed outfielders and three right-handed (or switch-hitting) infielders, so left-handed hitters are going to have to lay against left-handed starters.
The alternative: Dan Johnson has gotten a little better down in Triple-A, but the reality of this offense is that there aren’t any standout hitters who have emerged as legitimate alternatives at the DH position. At some point, guys like Curtis Granderson and Alex Rodriguez might be available, but for now, the choices are slim.

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264 Responses to “Mixing and matching and trying anything”

  1. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Kevin Long must be fired

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....s_hug.html

  2. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    “Trying anything“? How about trying to get better players before the season? How about turning that excess pitching into a bat, say, like, last year? You can’t expect the pitching to be perfect every game, especially when the hitting stinks.

  3. Shame Spencer June 15th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Chip June 15th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Joel Sherman made the point that what the Yankees might be seeing that will impact their pursuit of Cano this winter is that he’s not a draw at the gates.

    ——————

    I’m not sure exactly how fair this is to Cano… I mean, would you make the case that Mo’s last season isn’t enough of to draw fans to the gates?

    This is really just a matter of having a good team vs. not having a good team.

  4. Rich in NJ June 15th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Rich,

    Hal’s lack of understanding isn’t about marketing, it’s reality of the economic situation. He keeps looking at the payrolls of teams like the Giants who are winning championships and says “hey, you don’t need $200 mil to win a championship” but doesn’t look at the money he has tied up on so few players on the roster.

    Then you have Cashman who doesn’t know how to put together a competent staff capable of developing or identifying talent and this is what you get.
    -

    Chip

    That is true, but it does not negate my point. How you spend and on what is as important as how much.

    I do get amazed that anyone could think that Cashman has done more than a pedestrian job given the overwhelming advantages he has had at his disposal.

    And back in 2004, he seemed to get it. Since then, he transformed into someone else.

  5. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    “The Yankees’ makeshift lineup has remained in contention but ratings on the YES Network are down 38% from last season, leading Brian Costa of the Wall Street Journal to speculate if the Bombers may feel obligated to acquire star players in order to maximize fan and business interest.”
    ___
    This would be so wrong. The kind of panic move we do not need, to appear to be “doing something.” If we blow up the farm for a quick fix to cover the mistakes we’ve already made then we will set ourselves back even further.

  6. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    This was all obvious. Signing old, injury plagued players is moronic. Not signing a single significant international player for year is moronic. Not seeing the offensive decline that was coming is moronic.

    Now, they rely on AROD and Jeter, both nearing 40 and returning from very significant injuries. Another good plan.

    The worse news is the major league roster on the offensive side is awful and I don’t see a single minor leaguer making a case to come in and play. The Red Sox have Boegartis, at 20, knocking on the door. We have–absolutely not one young player who we can feel excited about at any level.

  7. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Long should have been fired after the playoffs last year.

    It is not entirely his fault of course, no one disputes that. However, he preaches a philosophy/approach that has generated these results- especially in the post season. I also believe Girardi has the same philosophy “we are the bronx bombers not the bronx bunters” kind of BS spin. So he is part of the problem.

    You have to start somewhere and getting rid of Kevin Long is a start.

  8. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Sabathia
    Kuroda
    Pettitte
    Phelps
    Pineda
    Nova
    Warren
    Nuno
    Hughes

    ________

    DO something with it. No excuses.

  9. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Good morning all and a very Happy Birthday to Andy Pettitte (41) and me (55) !!!

    The 38 % drop in YES ratings might be a bigger concern than the Goldman Sachs no-shows in the building.

    Cashman has made some bad moves, but his job is very challenging in that he is balancing three situations that work against the other two. He’s trying to get younger and cheaper while still remaining a contender AND carrying the albatross contracts of A-Rod, Tex, CC and to a lesser extent Jeter.

    that is in large part why he’s been relegated to dumpster diving the last two off-seasons. Some of it has gone well, but the extended missed playing time for Teixeira, Granderson and Jeter has forced part-time players into full-time roles they are no longer equipped for.

    The question each of us has to ask ourself as a fan is:

    Would you rather do it this way and know you have a shot at post-season play or go through a miserable season like Boston had last year and speed up the transition.

    The front office obviously believes most fans prefer this plan. I’m not sure I agree. We’ll find out next year when a slew of veteran contracts run out.

  10. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    I used to think the Red Sox prospects were more about hype than substance, and to a certain extent some of them were, we are all remember some of Gammons’ comments.

    Then I look around and I look at Iglesias, Middlebrooks, Nava on the BOS big league roster.
    I look at Reddick and Lowrie on the OAK roster. Iglesias was considered an outstanding SS who couldn’t hit, but he is hitting above .300. Nava was a guy who toiled in their system for years who they gave a shot to and has done nothing but produce. Middlebrooks looks like he will be a keeper long term. IN other words BOS has some results, pretty decent actually despite the hype.

    Then I look at the Yankees development and other than Cano and Gardner they have not produced one position player in the last 8 years that has started for them on a regular basis. Unbelievable. That is clearly at the feet of Cashman and the coaches responsible.

  11. Shame Spencer June 15th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    And it’s also about the fact that people are hurting and I don’t think that many people are fooled by the $189 goal. The goal is to save money. And with the economy the way it is you can’t expect the majority of middle-class Yankee fans to want to contribute to a millionaire increasing his overhead.

    I was just looking at some deals and I can get my hands on a ’47 inch smart tv with all the bells and whistles for less than $600. A trip to the stadium with my nephews or cousins costs me: $12 toll, $30-40 parking, 4 tickets at lets say $25 a pop. I’m already in the hole $150 and haven’t even treated myself to a beer lol.

  12. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Buster,

    Next year it will be CC, Phelps and who knows. It is not really an excess when three of your starters probably won’t be back next year, including your no.1, 3 and 4 starters.

  13. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    K Long isn’t the problem; the injury/age issue and the dumpster diving and players reverting to the back of baseball cards and the big hairy monster philosophy is. Long just executes based on orders from above.

  14. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Doesn’t this writer think Neal’s numbers in the minor leagues warrant full time play? He doesn’t think it was a poor move to hit for Neal last night? This blog is informative in the moves that the Yankees are making but does little in the way of questioning decisions.
    More and more I find Jennings pretty supportive of management.

  15. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    The 38 % drop in YES ratings might be a bigger concern than the Goldman Sachs no-shows in the building. …

    Absolutely, imo their overall programming and broadcasting sucks compared to SNY too.

    If the Yankees start becoming mediocre their ratings will continue to plummet and that will get all the brass’ attention.

  16. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Austinmac,

    Next year it will be:

    CC
    Pineda
    Nova
    Phelps
    Nuno
    Warren
    Banuelos
    Ramirez

    Offer Pettitte 5 million. QO to Kuroda, Hughes, Granderson. Pick up extra draft picks.

    Spend big on a hitter or two.

    Choo, Zobrist, McCann

  17. ron June 15th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Cano,hughes,granderson should of been traded for 4 players minimum.Some combination of players/prospects.
    My first choice would have been to extend cano,and hughes,but that ship has sailed,and compounding the problem by giving cano 7 years will set us back further.
    It started with the arod contract.
    A simple correct decision to not sign him after he opted out,and we are in much better shape by that alone.
    Ichiro,wells,youk are 3 other mistakes,but I understand the youk move.
    Haffner,and overbay were not bad moves.

  18. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Kevin Long continues to re-up his contract which means he validates and endorses the hitting philosophy from above, I’d say he’s implicated in the problem. He needs to go.

  19. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Oh so it was the people from above who asked Kevin Long to implement this stupid hero ball HR drill?

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....s_hug.html

    The idiot has this one trademarked.

  20. Shame Spencer June 15th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Happy birthday 86!!!

    fem – If they make a move for a legit player I won’t be upset about it at this point. It really depends on the deal. It can’t be a surface fix, fans will see right through it. I think they put a lot of eggs in the development of some of their players and those guys aren’t really rising to the occasion like they hoped (in the time frame they hoped, anyway, whether it was realistic or not). They’ve sorta backed themselves into a corner. It isn’t fair to the young players in the system but they’ve bungled a lot of key decisions. I dunno if they try to make a major acquisition but I can’t pretend I’m not at least a little satisfied that their palms might be sweating.

    This is the team they gave Mo for his final year in pinstripes. I dunno that they can sit on their hands. If they do, I’ll be eternally embarrassed for the organization.

    And to be clear – I really want to believe this team isn’t as god awful as it’s looked on this trip lol. Really. But it’s hard to imagine this team facing top of the rotation pitching and winning series.

  21. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Yankee21,

    I agree. The flawed philosophy isn’t going to change with a new man implementing it but it’s also not going to change while the current guy who carries it out gets to keep his job, especially after last years playoff performance.

  22. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    86w183,

    Happy birthday. Let’s hope you get a win as a gift.

    I would far prefer a cogent long term plan than the pointless method I see now. Free agents leave for only draft picks, the international market is ignored and no willingness to spend into 2014. How can it go well.

    For once, they should try to get younger. This team is not going to win this year.

    As much as I can’t pull for losses after 50+ years of fandom, maybe huge income losses will cause a revision of this directionless management group.

  23. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    The point is that KLong is part of the systemic problem of this org. What will getting rid of Long do? How about the guys above him?

    Rays have club options on Zobrist through 2015.

  24. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Joel Sherman made the point that what the Yankees might be seeing that will impact their pursuit of Cano this winter is that he’s not a draw at the gates.

    ———————————–

    Maybe that’s the reason he went with Jay-z/CAA

  25. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Mark Texiera was a .290 hitter before coming to the Yankees. He is a sub .250 hitter in the last 3 plus years. Cano used to rap doubles all over the ball park, he is now thinking HR first and hits second. Just two examples of guys following Kevin Long. One guy who didn’t follow Kevin Long- Derek Jeter who even at the age of 38 was still hitting .300.

    Cano used to be a great hitter and an incredibly tough out, now he’s just a very good hitter.

    If NY re-signs him to a moon deal they are unbelievably stupid.

  26. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    The point is that when you let Kevin Long keep his job you endorse a systemic problem.

  27. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    yankee21 —-

    Well said, and that’s the paradox. Player development and annual post-season contention are at least somewhat at odds with each other. Patience with a young position player might cost you a few games short term and that’s not a price the Yanks have been willing to pay.

    Thus Austin Jackson and Phil Coke become Tigers and Ian Kennedy a Diamondback. I wrot emore than a year go I wanted them to go with a Maxwell/Dickerson platoon post-Swisher but they wont go that route. Instead they give a two-year deal to an aging Ichiro who has less power than a Hugo trying to pull a tractor trailer.

    I’d love to hear them say David Adams will be at 3B until A-Rod is healthy. Nix and Brignac will platoon at SS and Zoilo Almonte will share LF with Wells until Granderson returns. I’d release Hafner or Overbay and give Almonte some AB.

  28. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Yankee21,

    Agree once again. People want us to go out and get better hitters than Cano and Tex when those 2 were MVP caliber hitters who hit to ALL FIELDS before Kevin Long got his hands on them. He is perpetuating a flawed system that has completely broken these hitters. He endorses the system and feeds the culture. You leave him in his job and NOTHING CHANGES.

  29. Tar June 15th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    So you mean to tell me that all the “negative posters” were on to something with all our griping pre-season? Who knew!!

    “the offense is fine” Any other myths that have been busted this year?

    Anyway what’s done is done. Now is not the time to panic for the Yankee front office. Get to the All Star break however you can, assess your chances and options. If bleak sell off anybody who will bring back young talent, including Cano. Let your fans know that you are in rebuilding mode and PLAN for 2015.

    Have a nice day everyone.

  30. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    yankeefem; you like the results that Kevin Long has contributed to, keep him.
    I don’t, so I say get rid of him. Got to start somewhere.

    Sometimes a team needs a wake up call, shock treatment so to speak, to let them know not everything is ok, not everything will turn around, the status quo is not acceptable. This has been going on for years, it has to end at some point.

    Kevin Long is part of the problem because even if he believes the philosophy is wrong he still renews his contracts, salutes and teaches it to his players and this offense is what we get especially in the post season.

  31. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Should Tex consider full-time duty as a RH hitter?

    Here’s his slash line versus RHP as a Yankee

    2009 — .282 / .373 / .579

    2010 — .244 / .342 / .457

    2011 — .224 / .325 / .453

    2012 — .239 / .331 / .438

    2013 — .091 / .184 / .273

  32. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    All winter many of us said the payroll reduction plan will lose more money than it saves. Now, they have a $230M team no one wants to watch because of payroll reduction in 2014.

    Hal, as a numbers guy, you are losing your rear end because of your poor management and utter lack of understanding of the operation of a baseball team.

    Inheriting money and assets from your parents does not make you smart or capable. The world is filled with sons who ruin businesses left to them by their fathers. Sell the team before it loses value.

  33. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    It’s defeatist to assume that firing Long changes nothing at all. It could signal a change in direction. Not firing him is what truly changes nothing at all. So if you are not for him getting fired, you want nothing to change because you believe that Long has the capacity to act independently of the system when he is the very person IMPLEMENTING IT

  34. mick June 15th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Tar June 15th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    So you mean to tell me that all the “negative posters” were on to something with all our griping pre-season? Who knew!!
    ===========================
    Do you want a pat on the back?

  35. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    I have been saying for three years that we need to get younger and improve our offense and bat speed. But we are always the last to know what is best for our own team. Other clubs deal off veterans for picks or younger players. The RS reloaded last season, and at the time I was envious because I knew this Yankee team’s success wasn’t sustainable and wasn’t playoff viable. But the Yanks still need to let the kids develop come hell or high water. We could/should have dealt in IFA’s that could have helped us now, but we chose not to go that route. So, unless we make a now and future move, we need to live with our decisions, and not blow things up. Let the kids develop. We do have a ton of international but very far away talent that we drafted last season. The additional GCL team we added will help with getting developing players AB’s. The problem is the bad current moves may result in more cosmetic/short term moves. The Yankees need to be careful of what they do next. If they make a smart move for a young player that improves the club that is so different than making the kinds of deals that they are known for, short term deals for aging players…

  36. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    I would okay going under the cap in 2014 if they begin now by trading Cano, Granderson, Hughes, Logan and Joba for positional prospects.

    Instead, they will let them all walk, blame this year on injuries, go old and cheap next year and tell us the results will be different. Does anyone really think it will go another direction or are we just vainly hoping?

  37. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    IFA’s that we signed* (not drafted*)

  38. ron June 15th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Long needs to go.
    A change needs to be made.
    When your pitching struggles for 2 years,you change pitching coaches.When your hitting struggls,you change your hitting coach.
    Wade boggs or something.

  39. Tar June 15th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “Do you want a pat on the back?”

    No.. reading all your back-peddaling posts is good enough for me. How quick you changed sides.

    The good ship Yankee is apparently taking on water :D

  40. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Mick,

    Something other than a wise guy remark would be refreshing from you as a leader of the all is well gang.

  41. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Ron,

    I’d like David Ekstein.

  42. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    ————————-

    You know the position player development is bad when after Garnder and Cano the only players developed worth their weight in gold came up 16-17 yrs ago.

  43. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    What hitter in the last 7-8 years has come to NY and become a more productive hitter, using OPS as a metric, under Long then what he was before?

    What minor league hitter has come up to the big leagues with the Yankees that Kevin Long has worked with that has produced at least 90% in line with their minor league numbers?

    I can think of only 1, Jesus Montero, and he was jettisoned somewhere I forget to….

  44. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Yanks waited too long on players that are impending FA’s. Should have made some move last years, but they thought they had a WS team. We can deal lame duck players, but I wonder what we will get for them.

    As for KLong, sure, start somewhere, but the hitting philosophy the Yankees tout is all Cashman. Why would he fire a guy who exemplifies his hitting ideology?

  45. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Let your fans know that you are in rebuilding mode

    ————————–

    The are having attendance issues now. It’s crazy to think what a rebuilding team would like.

  46. pkyankfan69 June 15th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Any word on Musty?

    What exactly is “midsection tightness”?

    Could that be just a fancy way of saying he had a bad case of diarrhea?

  47. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    The agism here is silly. Ortiz is older than every current Yankees hitter except Ichiro. Jeter hit over .300 last year at an age older than every current Yankees hitter except Ichiro.

    The farm system has not developed a star position player prospect since Cano.

    He’s the only one and NOT anyone they’ve traded recently.

  48. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    You know the position player development is bad when after Garnder and Cano the only players developed worth their weight in gold came up 16-17 yrs ago.

    I don’t put position player development at the feet of Kevin Long. That lies squarely with Cashman and Newman and the minor league coaches who contributed to this rot. Cashman should have been fired for this alone but because NY has an owner that is completely disengaged other than the budget, he either doesn’t recognize how bad a job Cashman has done developing minor league talent or he simply doesn’t think it’s important to worry about relative to the budget.

  49. Jerkface June 15th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    HAL: I don’t understand why the fans don’t wanna watch the Yankees?? I told them we wanted to save money and be more efficient, isn’t that what people like to do?

  50. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    As for KLong, sure, start somewhere, but the hitting philosophy the Yankees tout is all Cashman. Why would he fire a guy who exemplifies his hitting ideology?

    Cashman wouldn’t because in a sense he would be firing part of himself.

    I’m just saying what I would do and the good thing is it’s free advice to Hal!

  51. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    What hitter in the last 7-8 years has come to NY and become a more productive hitter, using OPS as a metric, under Long then what he was before?

    What minor league hitter has come up to the big leagues with the Yankees that Kevin Long has worked with that has produced at least 90% in line with their minor league numbers?

    ___________

    The answer is zero! Kevin Long has not helped a single Yankee outperform.

    And even if only 2 hitters have regressed significantly under him, Cano and Teixeira are BIG ones.

  52. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Let’s face it the Yanks have made their bed for 2013. They are going with aging veterans, hoping other aging veterans get healthy and are likely to have a shot at the post-season when September rolls around — this putrid offense can’t last forever, can it?

    The real mystery is the 2014 roster. The Yanks have a slew of player contracts running out that will free up a fortune in payroll:

    Cano ($ 15), Kuroda ($ 15), Granderson ($ 15), Pettitte ($ 12), Youkilis ($ 12), Rivera ($ 10), A.J. ($ 8.5), Hughes ($ 7), Logan ($ 3), Hafner ($ 2), Joba ($ 2), Overbay ($ 1).

    That’s roughly $ 100 Million — plus Wells, who counts about $ 10 M for luxury taxes counts nothing in that area in 2014.

    Things will be very different in 8-9 months for sure.

  53. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    The latest Yes ratings I have seen was in May which showed a 38-39% decline. Can you imagine where that might go? People find other things to do rather than watch the team score in only one inning in about every game.

    The team has spoken with Cano’s agent. They know his demands. If you are not going to meet it, for goodness sakes trade him. You cannot let a perennial all star leave for a 30 something pick in the draft. But, they will.

  54. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Again, don’t agree fans would be against the rebuild. It wouldn’t have been a complete overhaul. Fans enjoy watching exciting players even with bumps in the road. Stadium was electrified by Melky in 2009, Montero in Sept. 2011 Look at how many turned out in Pitt to see Cole pitch; partial season ticket holders even traded in tix for a different game to see Cole pitch. Fans like young players. Lohud fallacy that Yankee fans won’t come out to see kids or that you can’t win with youth.

  55. blake June 15th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    “Mark Texiera was a .290 hitter before coming to the Yankees. He is a sub .250 hitter in the last 3 plus years. ”

    Age related decline…..exacerbated by a poor hitting mechanics from the left side. His swing has ways been bad….he’s just not able to overcome it anymore

  56. ron June 15th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    They were so focused on the 189,they lost their direction,and do not know how to compete when facing a cap.
    We need a clear direction,and a plan.
    Start by trading joba for a pitching,or position prospect.

  57. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Yes, all that payroll may leave, but subtracting that from the current payroll number does not leave much money to fill perhaps half of the roster. 2014 will be interesting, to say it optimistically.

  58. Tar June 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “The are having attendance issues now. It’s crazy to think what a rebuilding team would like.”

    If thats the the reality of the situation, no panic moves they make is going to make the attendance any better.

    I know we are not typical fans here, but it would be refreshing to hear them say we screwed up, and this is how we are going to fix it. We are going to get under the cap, get younger and come back with a vengeance in a year and half.

    I would buy into that and enjoy watching younger players play. But than again I may not be a “typical” fan.

  59. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    YF,

    There is nothing more fun than watching good young players develop. Aren’t we all much more interested in watching any younger player(we have no prodigies) hit than watching Wells, Hafner and the like?

    I would bring up Almonte. His swing reminds me a bit of Melky No. 1.

  60. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Age related decline…..exacerbated by a poor hitting mechanics from the left side. His swing has ways been bad….he’s just not able to overcome it anymore

    So the second high paid position player on the team, Kevin Long could not help or influence positively?I know TEX is as stubborn as a mule but have we ever heard any words or innuendo from Kevin Long that maybe TEX needs to alter his swing or something reveloutionary like bat from the right side only?

  61. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Jim Callis@jimcallisBA 59s
    #Yankees ink 5th-rder David Palladino for $371k. Howard JC RHP, 6-9/255, 89-94 w/bore & sink, CU has some promise, LSU commit. #mlbdraft

  62. blake June 15th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Jerkface says:
    June 15, 2013 at 9:52 am
    HAL: I don’t understand why the fans don’t wanna watch the Yankees?? I told them we wanted to save money and be more efficient, isn’t that what people like to do?

    Go Profit margins!

  63. Jerkface June 15th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I don’t think Yankee fans want to watch an inept offense. Its too much of the game for them to be happy with a team that struggles to score 2 runs.

  64. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    The team has spoken with Cano’s agent. They know his demands. If you are not going to meet it, for goodness sakes trade him. You cannot let a perennial all star leave for a 30 something pick in the draft. But, they will.

    Yup. But I don’t think they’ll let him go, they will resign him to a moon deal and it will hamper the franchise for years to come or until the team is sold off.

    Why, because Hal doesn’t seem to understand the game, know the game and doesn’t like the game.

    He likes numbers, and in his world of crazy math, the numbers look better with Cano in pinstripes.

  65. blake June 15th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    “So the second high paid position player on the team, Kevin Long could not help or influence positively?I know TEX is as stubborn as a mule but have we ever heard any words or innuendo from Kevin Long that maybe TEX needs to alter his swing or something reveloutionary like bat from the right side only?”

    Not significantly IMO…..his swing is what it is and a little tweak isn’t going to fix it. It woukd require a massive rebuild from the ground up of muscle memory he’s had for 20+ years. It wouldn’t be easy and I’m not sure it’s possible at his age.

  66. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    The sad thing is that it didn’t have to be this way. They lacked any foresight over the past several years. Players age and decline. Every one. Yet, not one young player was brought in over the last three years.

    They passed on Holliday who wanted to be a Yankee as well as every single good international player. Can you imagine how excited we would be with Puig? Have you seen Cespedes hit a baseball?

    I don’t know of it was the baseball guys who said they aren’t worth it or whether it was ownership who said no.

  67. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    “I know we are not typical fans here…”

    All I know is the Stadium always has a buzz when young exciting players are in the lineup, especially those who express emotion. Melky used to energize that club and was a key part of 2009; the vibe was contagious with the players and even with the fans in the stands. Same thing with Joba pitching and fist pumping: crowd went nuts. Ditto Montero in Sept 2011 hitting bombs. I wouldn’t underrate that element as an incentive for fans to attend games vs. watching dumpster divers. Some dumpsters, sure, but not a whole team made up of them. And raise your hand if you didn’t think Youk et al would be spending time on the DL, or playing compromised because of injuries (Hafner)…

  68. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    —————————-

    I understand what you’re saying but portions of the fan base and FO have been conditioned to be against rebuilding. Look at generation in 08 there were fans upset that they wrre going through growing pains. Hell even players on the team let it be known they weren’t happy about it.

  69. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    blake, I think TEX as a good hitter is pretty much a lost cause, I’ve resigned myself to thinking he has dwarfed into a .240 ish type hitter with some power who plays good D. Unless he bats from the right side exclusively but he is too proud to change I think.

    Somebody worth about 8 million a year or so on the market. Unfortunately he’s getting paid a whole lot more and this hampers the franchise big time.

    Too bad Kevin Long can’t help, another reason for him to go in my mind? What good is he?

  70. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    ——————–

    True the stadium was buzzing with those players but the team was also winning. If the team is winning and the young player is playing well it’s a win win for some fans.

  71. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Tar June 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    ———————

    If they said that at the beginning I don’t think it would have been a bad thing to do. The thing is they were not suppose to be at this point with this team. The 06,07, and especially the 08 transition yr was suppose to set them up so that a full rebuild wouldn’t happen.

  72. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Odds, that 2008 was Cash at his most naive. We were going to integrate not 1, not 2, but 3 young pitchers at once. It is not an all or nothing proposition. Nor should Cash have gone to the opposite extreme thereafter. We could have integrated youth and remained viable. Also don’t forget that Joba got hurt, as did Po etc.

  73. MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    The LoHud has gone over the edge this morning.

    :(

  74. ron June 15th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Fans wan’t to see top prospects,and in 2009,and 2011,the Yankees were filled with stars,and the reality of the 189 was not upon us.
    A Harvey,wheeler,cole,harper,yes,but fans have to be excited about the prospect.
    Lineups have to be turned over,and not with boring veterans,and low to mid level prospects.
    Either star players,and,or top prospects.
    I love the Yankees as much as ever.Just a lot harder to watch nix at ss,etc…
    Without our pitching,we’d be in last place.

    This is why we should of blown it all up,because we are going to have to anyways,and to a degree,have already done so.

    This is why I wanted to trade cano,granderson,hughes,because they will be paid more than they are worth,and could of brough back 4 top prospects,minimum,imo.
    With cano,i’d wan’t a 3b,and pitching prospect.Hughes gets me one of a 2b,ss,o.f. prospect,and granderson one of the same as hughes got me.Joba for something also.
    Then a couple of free agent signings,and we can compete.

    I think cano,hughes,granderson,joba,we could have,at one time gotten a 3b,p,o.f.,infield prospect.
    That is 2 prospects for cano,one each from granderson,and hughes,with joba added to a hughes,or granderson deal,if needed.
    That is 3 position player prospects,and a pitching prospect,minimum,and I think that is reasonable.
    I would go heavy on pitching,building a great pitching staff,and downsize the offense,concentrating on 2-3 big bats in the lineup.
    Yankees,detroit,texas,angels,all have gone heavy on offense,and teams like the cardinals,giants,with great pitching,and enough offense,are the teams that win it,unless you are lucky to have both,in wich case,it gets very expensive.

  75. MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    So let’s see :

    Fire Long

    Fire Cashman

    Make Hal sell

    Blow the Team up and start over

    Did I miss anything ?

    :)

  76. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    It was a dumb move on his part and they made a mistake putting all 3 in the rotation at once.

  77. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am
    YF,

    There is nothing more fun than watching good young players develop. Aren’t we all much more interested in watching any younger player(we have no prodigies) hit than watching Wells, Hafner and the like?

    I would bring up Almonte. His swing reminds me a bit of Melky No. 1.
    ____
    Agree. As for Zoilo, he is killing righties; however, I do think his fielding is unfortunately very erratic.

  78. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    MTU,

    I hope your first night of the show went well.

    What you are reading is the frustration of saying up late again to have the offense be painful to watch. We need some photos please. Stat!

  79. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Hi MTU, how was the show?

  80. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    YF,

    If Zoilo can hit a little , he can wait until the ball in the outfield stops rolling and throw it in. Please, can we have a few runs.

  81. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    yf; Does Zoilo Almonte practice catching fly balls? Do any coaches work with him?

    It is possible his inability to master the basics for an OF such as catching a routine fly ball will keep him from getting to the big leagues.

  82. MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    OK Mac.

    thanks for asking.

    Went 1 for 4 last night. Better than a lot of Yankee hitters. I’ll see if there are any follow on sales.

    Your wish is my command.

    Will these do:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/WindWaterAndTimePhotographyGallery2?authkey=Gv1sRgCIWEr5Hsk9q2qgE#

    Let me know if you need more.

    :)

  83. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    “I understand what you’re saying but portions of the fan base and FO have been conditioned to be against rebuilding. Look at generation in 08 there were fans upset that they wrre going through growing pains. Hell even players on the team let it be known they weren’t happy about it.”

    Yanks actually almost use the rhetoric to qualify the moves (lack of moves) they make. It is kind of an excuse and a self-fulfilling prophecy of why they can’t get young.

  84. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    MTU,

    Thanks, that helped. 1-4 in your first game isn’t bad. Maybe an official scorer with a checkbook will up your average after further consideration.

  85. MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    YF-

    It was an interesting experience.

    Talked w a lot of folks. We had quite a bit of traffic. Maybe 75-100 people.

    Sold one item. Hope there will be some follow on sales.

    My expectations were set low so I’m a happy camper for now. It’s a very competitive buisness.

    Next week my website opens up.

    Thanks for asking.

    Hope your ankle is better ?

  86. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    yankee21, good questions. One would hope so and that he would improve.

  87. Tackelberry June 15th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am
    So let’s see :

    Fire Long

    Fire Cashman

    Make Hal sell

    Blow the Team up and start over

    Did I miss anything ?

    Yeah. Go walk the mop heads.

  88. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    MTU, sounds like you had a nice evening. I look forward to seeing the website! And thanks for sharing the always welcome pics. Ankle is almost 100%, thanks for asking.

  89. MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Mac-

    That would be the hope.

    Not quitting my day job just yet.

    Oops. I forgot. I don’t have a day job. Yet.

    :)

  90. pkyankfan69 June 15th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Looking at contending teams that would need 2B help, there really are not many fits:

    Most glaring D-Backs with Cliff Pennington @ 2B.
    Could Cano bring back Tyler Skaggs? Or Maybe Archie Bradley + a lesser position prospect.

    If the Dodgers claw their way back into contention they could definitely use a 2B upgrade over Ellis but their farm system is baron of top prospects.

    While the Rox are in contention now I think they will fade and not be a buyer, esp with Tulo injured again… They don’t really have any top prospects either, likely not a match.

    Doubt the Nats would give up Rendon would has been really solid for them in about 50 AB’s for a 1/2 year of Cano so they are very likely not a match.

    The A’s could definitely use an upgrade at 2B…. Would they be willing to give up Addison Russell a SS/3B with a bunch of pop for a 1/2 year of Cano?… Doesn’t seem like their organizations MO but maybe they just decide to go for it this year?

    Didn’t look at AL East teams… Not trading Cano in the division.

    Anyway, this is all for naught though… Yanks aren’t trading him.

  91. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    True but they have been conditioned going back all the way to the Boss. I’m sure there are some execs wringing their hands when a guy like Adams struggles. I think the only way they could do it is if a number of the vets on the team are no longer here.

  92. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    There was at least a couple positive things from last night.

    Neal looked good at the plate. Patient at bats, a walk, a good opposite field hit. Seems to have some speed. Maybe just an average arm and should be in LF, but we’re not in a position to be picky. I hope he plays tonight instead of Wells vs the rhp. Girardi has gone way past stubborn/loyal.

    Adams looked good aside from the pop up brain cramp. Some good plays at 2B and drove in two runs. I think he’s fine at 3B also.

  93. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    I was out last night and missed pre (and post games); was their any report on Pineda’s sim game, and when he will pitch next?

    Dellin’s stuff is looking nasty.

  94. MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    You’re welcome YF.

    My pleasure.

  95. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    The Yankees should not have to go through rebuilding phases with their payroll (even 189). They can field a competitive team and develop players at the same time. They need to give young players more of a chance sometimes though.

  96. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    “I’m sure there are some execs wringing their hands when a guy like Adams struggles. ”

    And not when the more costly Youk, Wells, Haf does… And Adams just needs reps; he will hit and make adjustments. Romine is the one who needs more AAA AB’s.

  97. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    *do

  98. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    YF,

    It was reported he threw five plus innings giving up 3 hits and striking out 5. At least, that’s close. No reports seen on velocity or other details.

  99. MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    YF-

    I think Pineda threw around 75 pitches.

    He had a good outing.

    Meaning he stayed healthy and continued the progression.

  100. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:34 am
    I was out last night and missed pre (and post games); was their any report on Pineda’s sim game, and when he will pitch next?

    His sim game went very well, sorry I don’t remember the exact numbers, only a few hits and 1 walk in something like 5 2/3 “innings”. I assume he will pitch on schedule with a side day and then a start in 5 days.

  101. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Thanks, austinmac. Do you know who took the AB’s? No other stats? Think Yanks are keeping it close to the vest. I was hoping his next start would be Wed. at SI (NY Penn league starts on Monday), so I could attend it. Also De Paula pitches locally in Sally ASG on Tuesday.

  102. Doreen June 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    MTU

    Congratulations on the sale, and I’m glad it was a good experience for you. Best wishes for continued success. Your photographs are truly amazing, and I am so glad you share them with us.

  103. Jerkface June 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    The Yankees should not have to go through rebuilding phases with their payroll (even 189). They can field a competitive team and develop players at the same time. They need to give young players more of a chance sometimes though.

    Agree 100%. There is no reason why the Yankees can’t work in young players besides their locked up super stars and veteran free agents/traded for players.

    You can have 1 or 2 SP slots taken up by guys developing. You can work guys into the bullpen. You can have 1 to 3 position players working in and getting reps.

  104. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Thanks, js.

  105. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    I remember Pineda also had a very high strike/ball ratio.

  106. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Yeah, integrating youth while being a playoff team is not mutually exclusive. To say otherwise is just spin.

  107. MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Thank you Doreen.

    It definitely was interesting.

    Much appreciated.

    The pleasure is all mine.

    :)

  108. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    No other info given about Pineda. I assume he pitched to the extended spring training young guys.

    We are now average under 3.4 runs/game since May 1st. Can we stop calling it a slump? It is who they are. A team filled with released players just might not be too good.

  109. MTU June 15th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Mac-

    The questions now are what they can and should do about it ?

    ;)

  110. Jerkface June 15th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    The only teams in the AL scoring less runs than the Yankees are:

    Houston – a team literally made up of little leaguers in trench coats standing on each other’s shoulders

    Chicago White Sox – A team uniquely allergic to walks and hitting the ball

    Seattle – A senior req league team playing at the bottom of the ocean

  111. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    We are getting the SI roster in bits and pieces. It is always a last minute update. Jagielo will be in SI. I’d love to see Omar there, but I am betting with the additional GCL team in the mix that a lot of the Latin players will go to one of the two GCL teams.

  112. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:37 am
    “I’m sure there are some execs wringing their hands when a guy like Adams struggles. ”

    And not when the more costly Youk, Wells, Haf does… And Adams just needs reps; he will hit and make adjustments. Romine is the one who needs more AAA AB’s.

    ———————-

    Agree with everything you said here.

  113. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    austinmac, yes pitched to EST players, no doubt. Usually they say which ones.

  114. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Jerkface June 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    ————————-

    The thing is though that’s what they were attempting to do and then somewhere along the line the messed up.

  115. Tar June 15th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    “Yeah, integrating youth while being a playoff team is not mutually exclusive. To say otherwise is just spin.”

    Catcher, 3B, At least 1 corner OF spot, 2 SP spots, and the pen. They can do that right now. But what if that doesn’t work or more injuries???

    So……if they are out of it close to TD than you sell off Cano, Grandy, Joba, Hughes and anyone else that can help them out in the future.

    And that would be a full on rebuild mode. And that is not spin.

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Dellin’s stuff is looking nasty.
    ///

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 13h

    Betances struck out Overbeck looking. 98 mph, at the knees.
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    Donnie Collins Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 13h

    Wow…this outing by Dellin might be most overpowering pitching performance of season for RailRiders. This or Nova start vs. SYR.
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    Donnie Collins Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 13h

    Betances pitching angry tonight, my friends. Just blew a 95 mph heater past Ruf, above the belt. He’s overmatching IronPigs.

    DeanBeers ?@DeanBeers 13h

    @RailRidersTT that performance is how I remember him from last season. Why is he not a starter?
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    donna p donna p ?@dp57 13h

    @RailRidersTT maybe betances wanted to be long man at the show
    Exp

    DeanBeers ?@DeanBeers 13h

    @RailRidersTT if I were Yanks, I’d hang onto him
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    Donnie Collins Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 13h

    @DeanBeers Me too. Because when he’s on, you get what just happened here. Ruf and Overbeck are no joke, and he dominated them.

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 13h

    That is dominant work by Betances right there. Came in w/ runner on 3rd, 0 out. Got two pop ups and two Ks

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 13h

    Here’s how bad it is: There was another pop up in the infield. And Betances attacked it like he was Willie Mays. Ran over Johnson doing so.

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 13h

    ///

    Yankeefem – lol on Betances making sure Johnson didn’t have a chance to misplay that popup. We’ve both: been there, seen that, said that :) If I can get some work done in a timely fashion, I’ve got a little window to watch Betances’ lights out performance. You never know when he’s coming in, so you can never plan to slot in time to watch him. Being a reliever now, it doesn’t take up much time to watch his outing.

    By the way, congrats to our other kid, Jo-Ram, for the promo, if brief. We’ll probaby have him back in my backyard shortly.

    Was wondering if you knew: Andujar and Ravel S slated for short season? Haven’t had time to check. Thanks :)

    Really hoping he gets traded so he can pitch in the majors.

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 13h

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    We are getting the SI roster in bits and pieces. It is always a last minute update. Jagielo will be in SI. I’d love to see Omar there, but I am betting with the additional GCL team in the mix that a lot of the Latin players will go to one of the two GCL teams.
    ///

    Ah, I see you addressed SI happenings. Jagielo and Andujar splitting time at 3B? Andujar headed back to GCL? Rough numbers for him down there.

  118. Captain Clutch June 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Girardi pinch hitting for Neal with Ichiro really made my stomach turn last night, That tells you all you need to know about Cashman/Girardi not facing reality with the washed up players. This is the same Ichiro that is hitting .220 against righties this year. Either Girardi can give the younger/unknowns a chance or maybe this job isn’t for him. It’s time to face reality and give other guys a chance to see what he can do.

  119. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Pruf! I haven’t watched either b/c I was out but was keeping track of both JRam, Betances, et al on my MiLB app and through DC’s tweets. So, also need to watch replay of Dellin’s nastiness. I may go out to watch Nova pitch tomorrow in LHV, and hoping Dellin pitches again. Just not sure of my sched b/c of Sally ASG, Pineda next start and JRam’s if in Trenton would be on Friday vs. Portland.

    I am not sure but think Ravel may get short season SI to start and then quick move to Charleston. I know he is feeling a lot better and ankle was more of a problem than he let on, so as soon as he is ready to be with the Dogs he’ll get moved there. I fear Andujar gets GCL repeat, but sure would love to have him in SI.

  120. blake June 15th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    “blake, I think TEX as a good hitter is pretty much a lost cause, I’ve resigned myself to thinking he has dwarfed into a .240 ish type hitter with some power who plays good D. Unless he bats from the right side exclusively but he is too proud to change I think.”

    I think his days of being what they paid him to be are over yes…..I think if he can stay healthy then he can have value as a power guy from the left side and a good hitter from the right side and plus defender though.

    Unfortunately though he was only what they paid him to be for one year of 8 most likely……

    Tex was a great player when they signed him but his swing always was a concern and it should have been for them too…..

    I heard someone ask Jon Daniels how he planned to replace Hamilton’s 43 homers….he said that those 43 homers were gone he minute the season ended whether they kept him or not…..meaning it’s in the past and they evaluate based on what they project a guy to do going forward and not what they have done already.

    Tex’s swing was a red flag for an early decline……Cano’s swing isn’t but his approach is so they need to be careful if they aren’t going to eat the cost if he declines early

  121. mick June 15th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    The good ship Yankee is apparently taking on water :D
    ================
    You seem to take joy in that.
    Do you feel better now that you have said “I told you so.”
    You come out in throngs you smell blood.
    You guys are no better than those you criticize.
    You know who. The dumbbells who do not know what you do.
    The know all see all group has spoken , they saw this coming and will tell you so over and over again.

  122. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    J. Alfred

    If Betances can show a smidgeon of consistency coupled with 95-98 mph heat he will be in the big leagues with some team, hopefully the Yankees.

    It really is up to him now. He needs to take ownership of his career and get resolute about success or die trying.

    No more excuses. Period.

  123. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Tar, I would doubt they sell off Cano. The others? That would be a sight to see; does Cash/Yanks have it in them? They didn’t even want to do extensions. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but those new tricks are imperative to learn for the health of this franchise.

  124. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    As perhaps the first person to suggest Betances to the bullpen two years ago — and the recipient of much criticism for that suggestion — I am very pleased to see that the kid just might have a very high ceiling as a reliever, perhaps even as a closer.

  125. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    MTU,

    I have no great ideas. Try young players. Trade the prospective free agents. Don’t trade young for old. That’s it for me.

  126. blake June 15th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    @RailRidersTT that performance is how I remember him from last season. Why is he not a starter?
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    donna p donna p ?@dp57 13h

    Cause he doesn’t pitch like that as a starter……

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Fem, Friday night in Trenton is always a blast – of paper horns in and the shrieks of over-sugared children in your ears. But I will suffer for Jo-Ram :)

    Very cool to be able to see Jagielo and a hopefully fully healed Ravel. Wonder if he’ll ever get all his swiftness of foot back. I’m buried in work, but will have to check on Ravel and Jag one day soon.

    Would love to see Nova with Betances in short relief but don’t think I can make it for that one. Let me know how they look, or Nova, if Dellin doesn’t get into the game.

  128. CompassRosy June 15th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “Seattle – A senior req league team playing at the bottom of the ocean”

    ~ ~ ~

    And yet, they still have more HR, 2B and BB than the Yanks. Now, if they could just figure out how to win more games, they might have something ;-)
    Baby steps . . .

    On another note, it’s only been 2 games but, now I remember what a real catcher looks like (and, I was wrong, appears he’s in for the long haul) http://compassrosy.com/2013/06.....mr-zunino/

  129. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    yank21, Betances is well known for his work ethic, think he just has to repeat at this point. So, don’t ever think it is a character issue with him. Maybe sometimes he thinks too much. Repeating is much easier to do in short stints likely, and I’d be very excited to see him succeed in mlb, but would still consider his not getting another shot in the SP as a huge waste of talent. No doubt he can be dominant out of the pen with his stuff/velo. Too bad he is forced to do so b/c of the value/time issue.

  130. blake June 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    “And yet, they still have more HR, 2B and BB than the Yanks. Now, if they could just figure out how to win more games, they might have something
    Baby steps . . .”

    This is so depressing …..

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    He’s in the bullpen because he’s run out of clock. That he would pitch well there, if throwing strikes, is kind of obvious.

    The more ambitious plan would have been to let him continue to start, because in his prior three outings before they switched him he pitched really well and looked like he did in parts of 2011 and in 2010.

  132. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Could that be just a fancy way of saying he had a bad case of diarrhea?

    Maybe. But wouldn’t that be midsection looseness?

  133. Brian June 15th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Chad wrote:
    “The obvious: Neal was brought up specifically to face lefties, so he’s probably in there somewhere on that side of a possible platoon.”
    ——————

    Like I said before the game last night, someone needs to slip a note into the binder that Neal hit 340 against righties in AAA this season.

    340!!!

  134. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Teixeira is still a very good RH hitter. At some point he needs to go there full-time. His declining efficiency on offense is almost all from the left side of the plate.

    I charted his miserable declining LH hitting slash line above. Here’s his OPS form each side of the plate:

    2010 —– Vs LHP .940 Vs RHP .799

    2011 —– Vs LHP .967 Vs RHP .788

    2012 —– Vs LHP .865 Vs RHP .769

    2013 —– Vs LHP .935 Vs RHP .457

  135. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    86, why would you want him to go to the bullpen two years ago? Instead of giving him a shot at being a much more valuable commodity as a SP. You do realize converting a guy to the pen isn’t hard. You wait to do that because he has so much more value as a SP. It is keeping him as a SP and developing him that is the hard part.

  136. yankee21 June 15th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    yf; you misintrepreted my comments. I don’t know the guy personally but he strikes me as someone who has strong desire to succeed and lights out stuff. Good combination.

    What I’m advocating is for him to stop taking advice from anyone but maybe one guy-who he trusts who he relates to who he feels can get him to the next level. Shut everyone else out, shut out all the noise and listen to himself and focus. He knows what he can do and not do.

    If he does that, he will be in big leagues.

  137. Brian June 15th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    For those saying Teixeira’s amazing decline is “age related”, the man was born in 1980.

    So in 2010 when he did this as a lefty…

    2010 — .244 / .342 / .457

    …he was 30.

    So his prime years ended at his age 29 season?

  138. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “Would love to see Nova with Betances in short relief but don’t think I can make it for that one. Let me know how they look, or Nova, if Dellin doesn’t get into the game.”

    Will do, if I go. I am still trying to figure out this MiLB week, especially with SI now in the mix. A week of Nova, Betances, Pineda, JRam is what I hope to pull off. Also want to spy on Hudson Valley, Tampa’s NY Penn league team, who are in SI on Thursday.

  139. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Got it, Yank21. I think in the RP, it is more about just learning how to prep as a RP, keep his arm healthy. He is having no problem throwing strikes, and all reports are that his stuff has been devastating. Hope to watch the vid later today.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Repeating is much easier to do in short stints likely, and I’d be very excited to see him succeed in mlb, but would still consider his not getting another shot in the SP as a huge waste of talent. No doubt he can be dominant out of the pen with his stuff/velo. Too bad he is forced to do so b/c of the value/time issue.
    ///

    Yankeefem – He was repeating better before they put him in the bullpen. He had three very good starts (including the five inning of no hits) before they made their switch.

    One thing I think he may find possibly useful is that by pitching every couple-few days, he may lock into the elements of his delivery that all came together for him in 201 and rediscover how to throw strikes consistently as a starter, which, I’m fairly confident, would be the role a team trading for him would envision him in. You wouldn’t deal for an arm like that and not try again to turn him back into a starter.

  141. blake June 15th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    “So his prime years ended at his age 29 season?”

    Could have yea….everybody is different and 30 years ago a lot of players started downhill around 30

  142. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    *in 2010

  143. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    A ny word on Judge or Clarkin?

  144. blake June 15th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Clarkin has signed or will ….judge no word yet I’ve heard

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    What I’m advocating is for him to stop taking advice from anyone but maybe one guy-who he trusts who he relates to who he feels can get him to the next level. Shut everyone else out, shut out all the noise and listen to himself and focus. He knows what he can do and not do.

    If he does that, he will be in big leagues.
    ///

    21, he himself agrees with you – he said that last year (which was really not at all typical for him, tell-tale being his GO/AO rates) that he had too many people in his ear on what to do. Maybe Patterson’s appointment has helped him not only listen to Gil, but to his own intuitive feel. I know Patterson has said he prioritizes a pitcher’s “comfort” in developing mechanics. It’s just too bad the infernal clock was ticking and influenced their change of course.

  146. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    JAP —

    I know its hard to admit when someone else is right and you were wrong, but give it a shot.

    Betances has been in pro ball for EIGHT YEARS. He’s made 122 starts. Exactly how much longer should they have left him as a starter? His starter ERA @ AA+ AAA is almost 5.00

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Should say that Betances works with Aldred on a more daily basis, but I would imagine Patterson’s influence is being felt.

  148. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    austinmac, no, but I would guess Judge maybe to SI, and if they deem Clarkin ready, then GCL…?

    Actually, my bad JRam would next pitch Wed., same day as Pineda. Sigh… but I’d go see Pineda if he were in SI. If he is that game should be on MiLB-TV

  149. Jerkface June 15th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Betances is doing well out of the pen. He will get his shot at the majors and once he shows success there he may get a chance to start. He really needed an extended run of success and at this rate he’ll come up to the majors and get a shot.

  150. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    86, no one would advocate a pitcher with 3 pitches like Dellin’s go to the pen two years ago. It wouldn’t make sense. As for right/wrong, right is always letting the pitcher start until he can’t anymore either because you are out of options and want to get value now or because you evaluate the pitcher as not succeeding as a starter. How do you not get that?

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    86,

    I think Betances will start in the majors and be successful at it. Just because the Yankees have decided to make him a reliever does not mean that is his horizon line. He’s 25 years old and will likely be traded. That team isn’t likely to waste his abilities in the bullpen. If he can consistently throw strikes, which he was doing relatively well in his three starts before his conversion, no one is going to let him fust in the bullpen who isn’t named Brian Cashman.

  152. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Ah, austin, I thought you were asking where Judge and Clarkin would be placed… Ignore and instead… what blake said.

  153. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    yankeefem, agree.

    Since I’m posting here and not working, I might as well have a look at his outing :) .

  154. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Josh Norris@jnorris427 4m
    RT @DPLennon: #Mets had a Q & A session w/ season-ticket holders this morning. //Cashman should do this.
    __
    Ya think?

  155. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I heard Judge and Clarkin were coming for physicals, but no word on signing? Correct?

  156. G. Love June 15th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    J.AP,

    Good to see you back.

    As for the Bronx Bombers, it’s just a slump…a now four year slump of poor at bats that were propped up by HR hitters getting cookies thrown to them.

    Anyone watching this team knows that the minute a breaking ball guy like that Gonzalez kid in Baltimore faced this team, he owned them because we couldn’t hit off speed and only were pumped to hit fastballs in their hot zones.

    Once the hot zones are well scouted by season’s end, we struggle and lose in the post season.

    The only difference this season is the team didn’t load up on HR hitters over the off season. They decreased them without replacing them with hit tool guys who would fix the problem.

    What’s happening was about as easy to see coming as Lindsay Lohan getting arrested again.

    At least last night we got to see Neal and Adams show something where out millionaires show nothing of late.

    More changes are coming, but due to contracts, it’s not going to make much difference.

    What would’ve made a huge difference was Puig and Cespedes in our OF corners and Darvish in our rotation.

    Wish there was a system where we could’ve gotten our hands on those kind of guys.

  157. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Betances had two excellent starts and four lousy ones in Scranton.

    His last start was five no-hit innings, but also included four walks. It was only the second time in six starts he lasted as many as five innings. It is not accurate to say his last three starts were good. They were better than his first three, but when nine walks in 15 innings is the best he can do that’s a problem.

    After well over 100 minor league starts its pretty clear to me he’s not going to be a MLB starter. Hopefully he’ll be a terrific reliever.

    On a completely unrelated note —

    What moron decided to start calculating a pitcher’s ERA against LH batter and RH batter separately?? That’s impossible to do unless you only face LH or RH batter in every inning. What nonsense!

  158. Ys Guy June 15th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    betances can’t start. he can’t repeat his delivery. he’s hat 122 minor league starts and he’s averaging 4.7 walks per 9 this year in 15 starts. and thats worse than his minor league avg.

    maybe he can keep it together long enough to be a reliever but no chance as a starter.

  159. Ys Guy June 15th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    and i was a huge betances guy after i saw him pitch a few times. but he’s gotten progressively worse.

  160. Hassey June 15th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Brosius just finished coaching Linfield College to the NCAA Div 3 title, so now he is free to take over at 3b

  161. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Draft pick signing update —–

    Baseball America is reporting the Yanks have signed # 5 pick RHP David Palladino for $ 371 K and 8th rounder OF Brandon Thomas for $ 80 K.

    They Yanks are $ 120 K under budget with six of their 12 picks in the first ten rounds signed.

    Still nothing official on first rounders OF Aaron Judge and LHP Ian Clarkin, second round pick 2B Gosuke Katoh, # 7 RHP Nick Rumbelow, # 9 LHP Connor Kendrick and # 10 Tyler Webb. I’ve been told they expect to get at least one of the top two signed this weekend.

  162. Ys Guy June 15th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    this winter you were sure that hamilton was the answer and wanted to give him a $125M contract.

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    His last start was five no-hit innings, but also included four walks. It was only the second time in six starts he lasted as many as five innings. It is not accurate to say his last three starts were good. They were better than his first three, but when nine walks in 15 innings is the best he can do that’s a problem.
    ///

    No, there were three of them, and one of them had extenuating circumstances (awful fielding turning groudouts into having to throw more pitches: lots of groundouts that didn’t get bagged – an ongoing and notorious problem with both the SWB and Trenton infields).

    I don’t care that much about the 4BB. Betances will never be a precision starter with plus command. He doesn’t have to be, and he will likely always sprinkle in walks. Fortunately for him, he’s good at getting hitters to pound the ball into the dirt and at missing the ball, so he’s able to redeem himself. He’s probably never going to be a super efficient starter (for one thing, he gets too many Ks for that), but at his best, he can mitigate the high-Ks (necessitating more pitches) with getting DPs on groundballs.

    The main point is/was that the outings I reference were indicative of better control, better downward movement, to come. He was not getting those groundouts last season. Big difference.
    ///

    Hey GLove :) . Don’t have much to add to what you said on the parent club’s strife. You know me – get rid of those who wrought this, start over.

  164. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    DC said Musty was icing his groins after the game, so that might be the “midsection tightness” problem. If so, could be a chronic problem

    Warren’s pitching Wed for SWB, so JRam back to Trenton.

    mac, Judge is referring to himself as a Yankee on his twitter, and Clarkin is expected to sign.

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Last I heard, Cojo was injured.

  166. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    JRam back to Trenton should have ended with a “?”

  167. G. Love June 15th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    I’m glad that Clarkin is signing. Hopefully, after the draft night “I hate the Yankees” mess he has a sense of humor about it going forward.

    I do love that he felt the wrath of the Yankees fans after making those comments and I totally get that if his Mom is a NJ Yankee fan why he would do that to tweak her.

    It’s actually a good lesson for a young player to go through that kind of incident early on and get through it and move on.

  168. austinmac June 15th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    YF,

    Thanks. Let’s get everyone playing.

  169. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Yes, Cojo is on 7 day DL (time frame means nothing, only DL length of time in MiLB)

  170. G. Love June 15th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    As for the big club, Tex is due for his 1x week HR game, so we should win one of the next 2.

    Then everyone in here can tell us we’re all being too hard on him before he goes back in the tank for another 7 games.

  171. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    austinmac, hear, hear. Wish those two GCL and SI rosters were up. But it is almost always a guessing game until OD.

  172. blake June 15th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    I don’t get why some think another hitting coach could make Wells, Ichiro, Stewart, nix, brignac etc any good.

    Sure maybe the homer ball approach isn’t great…. But you can’t make lemonade out of a mud hole…..they need better players and it’s about as simple as that

  173. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    GLove, not sure who is pitching in Dodger series — too lazy to look, but if we get the LHP, at least Teix will bat RH…

  174. comnsnse June 15th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    The primary issues the organization faces have been indentifiable for some time by most posters which is remarkable on a sport’s blog.

    In order of precedence they are, poor results overall from the Tampa group, this is Cashman’s biggest fault and a carry over from George’s dumb philosophy of pitting people against each other to make them more productive and uncomfortable. (Must be from his studies of the workings of communist Russia)

    Overpaying and oft times bidding against themselves for free agents thereby creating in the minds of both FA’s and agents that NY will pay more to sustain their success.

    The organization is late to the party with respect to how smaller payroll teams like the Giants, Oakland etc. are competing with the large market clubs, thereby negating the cap issue while exacerbating the personnel development problems ,since as has been repeated numerous times, Cano is the only star position prospect produced in now the 21st. century. The jury is still out on Gardner imo.

    Redundancies be damned I repeat the there is only one way to improve the current situation. Spend wisely on available FA’s while at the same time fire every person currently on the payroll in Tampa including our scouts. Cashman should be given 1 yr. contracts until further notice, if he refuse let him walk too!

    Otherwise the continuing band aid approach will only result in reduced attendance, reduced Yes watching and reduced value for the brand and it’s entities!

  175. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    “they need better players and it’s about as simple as that”

    QFT, however, solely blaming Long makes it more palatable, I would guess. And gets Cash/FO off the hook.

  176. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    *raises mic*

    Finally…..Prufrock has come back to Lohud!!!!!!

    *fans chanting Prufrock…Pufrock…Prufrock*

  177. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Chip

    I do get amazed that anyone could think that Cashman has done more than a pedestrian job given the overwhelming advantages he has had at his disposal.

    Exactly. I’d like to ask you a question. Cashman 1998-2000. I have always felt he had little if anything to do with those titles in spite of being the GM. Those teams, especially the nucleus were built by his predecessors. He made few if any major contributions. He was basically like a quarterback with an all pro defense who has little more to do then not fumble the ball. Does that track for you.

  178. G. Love June 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    yanksfem,

    You can almost predict his slumps and the fact that he’ll have a breakout game or two in between them that pads stats enough for everyone to lay off him. He’s almost like a procrastinator as a hitter. He waits until the last moment to have a great game, does it all in a flurry and then goes back to slumping. It’s like clockwork.

    Facing Lefties helps him, although all it takes is a righty to throw something fast middle in and he’ll get a HR this weekend.

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Hi Odds. :D Been busy with project but also busy screaming on Penguins’ sites :) . I just have so many bullets, besides, the Penguins still have young players so they’re worth fighting for. There’s just so much of “Vernon Wells???!!!” indignation one can muster until it gets old :)

    Now watching Jo-Ram’s outing in his SWB cameo. Now he’s out and Stoneburner (the real one) is in.

  180. blake June 15th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Tex should hit 3rd or 4th vs LHP and 7th or 8th vs RHP. That’s what he is now…..lefty he’s a guy bottom of the order guy that’ll pop some out and not much else…..it’s what it is and the yanks need to accept it and adjust

  181. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Facing Lefties helps him, although all it takes is a righty to throw something fast middle in and he’ll get a HR this weekend.
    ///

    GLove, many switch hitters have marked splits but it is dramatic how utterly different Tex is from right side vs. left. From the right side, his bat is in the hitting zone for so much longer and his swing is so much more level. He looks dangerous, even making outs, from the right.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    blake June 15th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Tex should hit 3rd or 4th vs LHP and 7th or 8th vs RHP. That’s what he is now…..lefty he’s a guy bottom of the order guy that’ll pop some out and not much else
    ///

    Yea, but they’re not doing that :)

  183. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    The so-called “band aid approach” ends with this season. They have 12 expiring contracts representing $ 103 M in payroll coming off the books.

    2014 is a major rebuild no matter what direction they take.

  184. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Blake —

    It would be better if Teixeira would bat RH against all pitching.

  185. blake June 15th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    “Yea, but they’re not doing that ”

    No they are sticking him in the middle and hoping for different results than the last two years…..right now they don’t have much other choice as the hole lineup stinks……but they need to realize that to be legit title contenders they need some prime aged offense…..guys that aren’t declining

  186. joeman June 15th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    told you all many many times about that stiff…he’s was a DL waiting to happen and how the NYY didn’t see this is scary…a waste of $12 mil…

  187. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    luis was advocating for Tex to become a strictly RHB a while back. Has he been around? Excellent poster/great Yankee fan.

  188. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Nice to see you around man. I hope all is well. :)

  189. blake June 15th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    “It would be better if Teixeira would bat RH against all pitching.”

    I don’t know…..I see this idea a lot but I don’t think it’s that’s easy. He hasn’t faced RH pitching RHed in forever…..I mean I guess a point may come where it’s worth a shot but it won’t be any time soon IMO. I think there is a chance that could screw up up from that side too and then he’d have nothing

  190. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Odds, nice to see you, friend. Other than Penguins’ ouster and Yanks’ demise, life is good :D

  191. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    but they need to realize that to be legit title contenders they need some prime aged offense…..guys that aren’t declining
    ///

    Well I don’t imagine the folks who need to realize these things will realize them. We’ve been saying so, for what, two-three years now that they “need to realize…”? They don’t. And I have no reason to believe they will.

    New folks doing the realizing is what is called for. Expecting them to change is kind of like expecting Tex to not be helpless from the left side against changeups. At a certain point, you realize the breaking point has arrived. They don’t get it.

  192. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Dellin trotting out of the BP :) .

    Why is it every team seems to have a squat, thick infielder with some base running ability named Castro who never gets out of the minors? There can’t be that many Castros, can there?

  193. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    If he’s not at that point with a .091 / .184 / .273 slash line batting LH when will he?

    He has always had a better swing from the right side.

  194. comnsnse June 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Someone posted earlier that Jagielo was opening at Staten Is. Why?

    In every other sport especially football and basketball and oft times hockey as well , first rounders are expected to contribute in their first year at the top level.

    Jagielo’s experience mirrors that, he finished his Jr. year in college and is 21 years old.

    It is ridiculous to start him at a level with high school players, those repeating a previous year at this level and 18 year olds with far less experience.

    Judge and Clarkin perhaps but not Jagielo. A first round college player at 21 should be starting at low A at the very least!

    Yes they rushed Eric Duncan but he was 18 and definitely mishandled by this organization.

  195. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    LOL just saw Betances mow down Johnson to catch a popup. Johnson had just dropped one at 3B.

  196. comnsnse June 15th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    JAP, just south of the border resides “El Jefe”!

  197. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Tex throws righthanded so he’s likely naturally righthanded, and that’s why his swing is better from the right side. His lefthanded swing is less coordinated. I don’t think he has the ability from left side to mirror his righthanded swing. He probably should switch to just hitting righthanded, but I think that never happens.

    Anyway, it would be nice if he could at least get back to what he did last year. That alone would be an improvement.

  198. Against All Odds June 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    Odds, nice to see you, friend. Other than Penguins’ ouster and Yanks’ demise, life is good

    ————————–

    Good to hear.

    I’m sure you liked what they did in the draft.

    I’m off for now guys catch you later.

  199. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Yea but he was a pitcher ;)

  200. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Odds, good one. I did like the draft. We’ve got a few years to see how that goes. I’d like to get a look at Jagielo next week, if I can wriggle out to Staten Island.

  201. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Ethan Martin has a nice arm.

  202. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    College pitchers often start in short season to get acclimated and to continue development. You don’t normally come out of a college program ready to contribute at mlb level.

  203. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    I agree Jag should start higher. Hopefully he just destroys that level and moves up quickly.

  204. blake June 15th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    The Yankees started Reysynder at Charleston so in not sure why they’d start a better college guy at a lower level really

  205. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Just found a story on SI including some of the players who will be on roster:

    http://www.silive.com/siyankee.....about.html

  206. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    I was talking about pitchers, but as for Jagielo, probably just need a place to put him to start/get acclimated. Although they did that last year with Saxon Butler and he was too good for the league. However, you do actually have a fair # of college pitchers in the NY Penn League.

  207. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    He probably should switch to just hitting righthanded, but I think that never happens.

    Mickey Mantle should have at some point due to his injuries. I was surprised to read the other day that he was to have said to have done that would have meant his father spent all that time teaching him to switch hit for nothing.

  208. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Actually the article I posted above says that most of the college players will be in SI, and Yanks have also done that in the past, moreso with the pitchers though:

    “It remains to be seen how many college draftees join the Staten Island club, but Pope figures most of the recent signees will be headed north. The parent club dipped into the college ranks for a dozen pitchers from the seventh round (LSU right-hander Nick Rumbelow) through the 24th round, a list that includes Auburn southpaw Conner Kendrick and South Carolina southpaw Tyler Webb in the ninth and 10th rounds, respectively.

    “I think a majority of the signed college guys will end up in Staten Island,” said Pope. ” “

  209. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    In every other sport especially football and basketball and oft times hockey as well , first rounders are expected to contribute in their first year at the top level.
    ///

    Football and basketball don’t have professional “grooming” leagues.

  210. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    I don’t know that switching to hitting solely RH would make sense for Teix at this late stage in his career. Further, don’t think for a minute that the Yankees would want to sacrifice that HR potential at NYSD from Teix’s left side.

  211. pkyankfan69 June 15th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Tex would rather bat .050 from the left side than ever try to just bat righty… He might be even more stubborn than Joe, never going to happen.

  212. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    *NYS*

  213. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    I agree Jagielo should be in Tampa, not Charleston and certainly not Staten Island. Same with Judge and any other top flight college draft pick.

    O’Neill I don’t know as much about so I’d be okay with him in Charleston, but I find no reason to put any college player in the first ten rounds in short season ball. Major college baseball is MUCH better than low-A let alone rookie ball.

    Sending high schoolers to rookie ball is fine.

  214. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Thanks for link. My milb.TV is acting up.

  215. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    GLove, many switch hitters have marked splits

    Berkman does. the really good ones Mantle, Chipper Jones and Eddie Murray didn’t. Not sure about Charley the Hustler.

  216. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    ^YF, thanks for link.
    ///

    Maruzsak as lost in OF as IF.

  217. J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    cogen,

    Posada didn’t, either. Excellent hitter.

  218. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    I bet Tex’s home run total wouldn’t be affected much hitting just righthanded. He has plenty of power.

  219. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    “GLove, many switch hitters have marked splits”

    Po and Bernie didn’t. That’s another reason those Yankees teams were incomparable.

  220. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Are they trying to make Maruzs a SUI? Good luck with that.

  221. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Actually the only switch hitter among the best ever with dramatic splits is Lance Berkman with a .999 OPS against RHP and .779 against LHP.

    Teixeira’s career OPS is still very close… .878 vs RHP, .930 vs LHP…. but it won’t be much longer.

  222. G. Love June 15th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    I understand the concept of splits re: switch hitters.

    But when there’s almost a .100 point batting average difference and even bigger OPS/OBP difference from L/R it’s time to try something different.

  223. Frankg June 15th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    the Yankees can develop good young players—Jackson, Kennedy, Coke, Clippard, Kontos, Arias, Montero. Problem is they have traded them and often don’t get much back.

  224. G. Love June 15th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    86,

    Those are his career #’s. Texy’s career numbers are moot. The past 4 years including this one have been abysmal and nothing has been career about them other than his ability to hit LHP.

  225. comnsnse June 15th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Jap, “grooming leagues” for football and basketball are called colleges and even high schools!

    They are amateur in name only!

    At 21 with 3 years of college experience Jagielo should be expected to be much more advanced than S.I.

    Sometimes people only give what you believe what you expect, so for example if Jags has a modest season at S.I. where does he go next?

    His size, average speed and agility ratings lead me to believe we have drafted Eric Hinske!

  226. tucker June 15th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Well the 38 percent decline in YES ratings and the drop in attendance (masked somewhat by the Goldman Sachs no shows) have come to fruition. Many here predicted that. If you don’t invest in the product, you lose more money than you can possibly save by not investing. The biggest mistake was not signing the Cubans.

    So I wonder if the Yanks will be a serious player for 23-year-old Cuban shortstop Aledmys Diaz? There is no shortstop in the system (don’t count Culver, whom I’m afraid will never make the bigs), and there is an obvious need.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/aledmys-diaz/

  227. tucker June 15th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Fem, it sure would be nice to have a young Bernie Williams in the system …He was the engine of the 98 team.

  228. G. Love June 15th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Yankees want to show that results matter? Platoon Tex. End of story. That’s what he is.

    Admit the fact that he’s not the guy you signed and he’s a void in the middle of the order and try to win games. It’s not the Yankees fault he conned them into thinking he was a cornerstone bat. A lot of great teams wanted him.

    He is the epitome of a guy who got his money and then took it easy and coasted.

    And don’t give me age. He’s been awful from the left side from 2010 til now which included his prime years the Yankees never benefited from.

    I’d take Pujols’ awful contract for Tex. At least Pujols, as hobbled as he is, still hits as evidenced by him lacing line drives all over the place last night.

  229. comnsnse June 15th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    FrankG, correct but only Jackson,Kennedy and Montero were highly rated by our “crack” developmental gurus.

    Jackson, Kennedy and Clippard have enjoyed modest to good success to date.

    While Coke has pitched O.K. for the Tigers, Mike Dunn has had some success with the Marlins and Arias is starting to do quite well for the guy who should have been our GM, Brian Sabean.

    My point continues to be that very little has changed with our developmental Cabal in Tampa under Cashman from domestic to international scouting and drafting.

  230. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    86,

    Those are his career #’s. Texy’s career numbers are moot. The past 4 years including this one have been abysmal and nothing has been career about them other than his ability to hit LHP.

    ************************************************************************

    G. Love —

    You don’t have to tell me that, I’m the one who has documented Tex’s LH hitting decline over the last four years in multiple posts on this thread (9:37 & 11:11) and others.

    I pointed out career splits because someone raised the question.

  231. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Like I said before the game last night, someone needs to slip a note into the binder that Neal hit 340 against righties in AAA this season.

    340!!!

    it’s unreal and this dweeb is the manger that is described as a genius in some circles.

  232. comnsnse June 15th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Tucker, they did sign the Cubans except for El Duque and a modest success by Contreras we got Morales, Miranda and El Duquecito from our exciting international geniuses!

  233. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    the Yankees can develop good young players—Jackson, Kennedy, Coke, Clippard, Kontos, Arias, Montero. Problem is they have traded them and often don’t get much back.

    They really did not develop these guys. These guys were in their minor league system. Other teams developed them. Developing a player includes moving them to the big team where they become anywhere from a serviceable major league player to a star.

  234. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    I think I’d go with this tonight:

    Gardner CF
    Ichiro RF
    Cano 2B
    Teixeira DH
    Overbay 1B
    Neal LF
    Adams 3B
    Brignac SS
    Stewart C

  235. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    cogen,

    Posada didn’t, either. Excellent hitter.

    Point well taken. How on earth did I forget Jorge. One of my favorite hitters especially with the bags full. He kept the line moving.

  236. tucker June 15th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Really a key time for the Yanks. They need to turn it around in a hurry. I don’t think anybody will run away with the division, but if I was a betting man, I’d put my money on the O’s taking the AL East. They have a young roster that picked up valuable experience last year.

    IMO, yanks will need to catch the Sox to get a wild card, with the second wild card going to possibly the A’s. Rays can always make a run, too.

    Next few weeks can make or break the season. At some point, the pitching staff will have to fight through the dog days of July and August. Will the bats respond when the weather warms and balls begin flying out of the parks?

  237. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    I think I’d go with this tonight:

    Gardner CF
    Ichiro RF
    Cano 2B
    Teixeira DH
    Overbay 1B
    Neal LF
    Adams 3B
    Brignac SS
    Stewart C

    It’s a damn shame. I am not looking forward to tonight’s lineup. Because Neal’s name will be missing. I’d be willing to bet on it.

  238. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    So I wonder if the Yanks will be a serious player for 23-year-old Cuban shortstop Aledmys Diaz

    I’m sorry but I have stopped thinking about the Yankees as a serious team. I don’t think so.

  239. tucker June 15th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Comnsnse (maybe buy a vowel?), those Cubans you cited were low risk, low reward (much like Musty, who may still make it to the bigs).

    Cespedes and Puig were big league ready and obvious major league talents, but the Yanks chose not to seriously bid. It was either a failure among souts/baseball ops or a decision aimed at saving money.

  240. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    If Wells is in there tonight against a rhp again I will not be a happy camper. Need to see what Neal has. Wells and Hafner need time off. Overbay needs to play once in a while. Tex can great a break from the field.

  241. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Po and Bernie didn’t. That’s another reason those Yankees teams were incomparable.

    That’s right. Two more great switch hitting Yanks. 1998, the best team ever, anywhere, period.

  242. 86w183 June 15th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    may day here is done…. lets hope for some offense

    Happy Father’s Day to all the Dads…. and don’t forget to call your Dad if you can.

    SeeYa tomorrow

  243. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    If Wells is in there tonight against a rhp again I will not be a happy camper. Need to see what Neal has.

    Everyone will be disappointed if Neal isn’t there. With these guys from the system coming up Joe Girardi will be so exposed for the lightweight he really is. He won’t know what to do. People say he played young players at Miami. That’s because all he had were young players. he had to play them.

    If the NY writers did not softball him questions he’d be squirming postgame most nights. He has an total and obvious mistrust of new players.

  244. comnsnse June 15th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Cogen777, you’re correct but you continue to overlook is that management has spent a lot of dough on some of our veteran stiffs and if they are sitting on the bench our vaunted front office will be embarassed!

    In addition our manager and front office will be perceived as throwing in the towel on this season.

    Joseph G. is a respected mgr. in baseball circles and would have no difficulty finding a job elsewhere, Cashman meh!

    Cashman has already said he wants Joseph back on another contract which also insures Joseph’s less than candid responses to reporters questions!

    Unless you expect him to start screaming that the idiot in the front office has sent me cripples, stumblebums and minor leaguers who should have stayed in the minors!

    Be of good cheer you could always be a Ranger fan with 1 Cup in 73 years! ;)

  245. comnsnse June 15th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Cogen, “if the NY writers did not throw him softball questions”…….they would be shut out and receive less access than they already have.

    Again you should be consoled by the fact our baseball writer actually gets to ask questions of the G.M. as well as the mgr.

    Ask him about his cohort on the hockey blog!

    There are no Red Smiths or Cosells around anymore,now we have ex jocks who rarely will critisise their brethren. Minor exception is Hernandez on Met broadcasts but who listens? ;)

  246. Pat M. June 15th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    G.Love……Albert Puljos is on the backslide of his career and it’s downward slope. Telling you good folks here once again, Betances is trade chum and he’ll make the bigs but his trips to The Stadium will be in road greys. It’s been almost 20 years since the Yankee fans at Anaheim were as docile as they were last night… A sign of the times as the USS NY Yankees are in distress mode. Even with their outstanding pitching staff I can’t see them keeping up with Showalter’s O’s ballclub

  247. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Joseph G. is a respected mgr. in baseball circles

    Considering the current crop of major league managers that isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. All in good humor of course.

    Joseph’s less than candid responses to reporters questions!

    It is not his responses I question. I pay little attention to him. It’s the softball questions the reporters ask.

    I enjoy your posts. Good humor.

  248. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    There are no Red Smiths or Cosells around anymore,now we have ex jocks who rarely will critisise their brethren.

    You are correct. Cosell proudly stated, “I never played the game.” Now you have guys like Harold Reynolds telling guys like Brian Kenny, “I’m right, you’re wrong because I played the game and you didn’t.”

  249. UnKnown June 15th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Find a way to get a win any way any how. See what happens after that. Maybe we even win two in a row and get this thing going in the right direction again. Its not like we’re 10 games back right now so things can start to look great again in a hurry with a few wins. Starts tonight right?

  250. cfirth60 June 15th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Texeira is a big problem. Body’s probably breaking down from steroid use. Hitting skills the same thing. He might be a good guy but he’s a canser in the lineup.

  251. yankeefeminista June 15th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Unknown, from your lips to our batheads!

    Josh Norris ?@jnorris427 7m
    So, people at SI media day are saying Dillon McNamara is the OD SP. Gil Patterson told me it was Gallegos. So, that’s interesting.

  252. G. Love June 15th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Pat M,

    I’d bet that Pujols outhits Tex this year and every year remaining on Tex’s contract.

  253. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    I’d rather trade Tex for Hamilton. I don’t like that Pujols can’t run the bases.

  254. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Tex has already played for LAA. Would he block a trade there? Hope not.

  255. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    He could do infomercials for juicing machines marketing at Hollywood and SoCal soccer moms.

  256. Jesus Bustero June 15th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    *marketed

  257. jacksquat June 15th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    G. Love June 15th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Pat M,

    I’d bet that Pujols outhits Tex this year and every year remaining on Tex’s contract.

    Maybe, but Tex only has only 3 years left on his contract, Pujols 8, so I’ll ride it out with Tex, thx. Same with Hamilton.

  258. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    I don’t like that Pujols can’t run the bases.

    That Vernon Wells throw doesn’t get any runner except Senor Alberto. In fact on all replays I saw it was offline and if Romine doesn’t handle so well Pujols is safe. Wish Romine was more advanced as a hitter. Needs this season at AAA. He was worth a try though. Hate it when people are tough on the kids and let the dumpster retreads get a free pass. They had their chance.

  259. Pat M. June 15th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    G.Love…….Interesting proposal you offer however let’s keep our eye on the ball……Albert’s contract will go down as the game’s worse contract ever surpassing Alex’s bummer of a deal. Much like The Brother Steinbrenner’s lust for Alex, Artie Moreno had the same lust and attraction for Sir Albert….Both owners went against the grain of their baseball people……Both Tex and Albert have been running into the dl sidings often the past few years and it’s likely that trend isn’t going abruptly change soon…. Although Albert is DH’ing more often as of late

  260. Hassey June 15th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Mark down this date

    A warm June Saturday night and the mere thought of watching the Yankee game tonight interests me about as much as watching indoor soccer.

    Only the silky tones of Frank Murphy could convince me to follow tonight’s lineup of Dave Kingmans and Frank Tavereses

  261. cogen777 June 15th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    comnsnse June 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Someone posted earlier that Jagielo was opening at Staten Is. Why?

    I’m sure he is thrilled to be hitting against HS kids again. LOL. Unreal. Promising 1st round pick and they send him to SS league. IDK. I have even stopped wondering if they know what they are doing at any level. You’re right though. Low A at least.

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