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In his own words: The Cashman conversation

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 17, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This afternoon, it was morning. For me, anyway. I spent most of the off day in California, jumped on the Brian Cashman conference call at noon Pacific Time, put the basics on the blog and then headed north on the 405 to catch a flight back to New York. I’m actually in the air right now.

In the scramble of catching a flight, put the basics of Cashman’s conference call on the blog using the notes I was taking during the call. Here are the extended quotes on some of the bigger topics of discussion.

Mark TeixeiraOn the long-term concern for Mark Teixeira…
“Like before the season started, when this injury hit, he’ll either get through it or he’ll have to have surgery. The MRI showed no new tear, it’s not a re-injury there; it’s inflammation of the tendon. But is this something that’s a recurring theme because of the previous injury that’s going to prevent him from being all he can be? If that’s the case, he’ll have to have surgery. That’s not a long-term concern; it would be a this-year concern. It could be as simple as it got inflamed, we have to calm it down and then turn him loose and he doesn’t have an issue going forward, or it’s a much broader issue that has every relevance to that injury and it’s not going to survive. I can’t tell you. I don’t think anybody honestly can tell you right now. The experts looking at the MRI diagnosed it as an inflamed tendon, and clearly it’s related to the injury he had in the spring. Is it something that’s going t prevent him from playing? Is it something that’s going to eventually force him to have the surgery? I can’t rule any of that stuff out.”

On whether the Yankees would consider using Teixeira as a right-handed hitter…
“I haven’t thought about it. I would tell you this: I would think that if it’s something that is going to prevent him from playing, that would make him a part-time player, I’d rather he just go get it fixed (with surgery). Up until him pulling himself from the game because he was having issues, there’s been no conversations that have been conveyed to our medical staff, our doctors, front office, that he was having any issues at any time.”

On Kevin Long’s comments about Teixeira…
“It’s alarming in the fact that K-Long would say that to the group of the reporters, but he never said that prior to that. This is a lot of times how things work out when things go bad, things get said that, if K-Long felt that way, he should have been saying that from day one, but we never heard that from K-Long. Before anyone asks, am I mad at Kevin Long because of that? No. But do I think that that commentary jibes with Kevin Long’s comments internally in that clubhouse regarding this player prior to him going down? The answer absolutely is not. So sometimes in the situation where people have a chance to say something publicly it’s a lot different, or you have a conversation with somebody saying why are you saying that today when you never said any of that in any day prior to this. That’s the only way I can answer that. So if K-Long said that, he’s a monk, because he kept his mouth shut the whole time.”

Kevin YoukilisOn the long-term concern for Kevin Youkilis…
“Back issues usually don’t get better. They can, but they’re very debilitating and hard to get a handle on. It’s definitely a concern. As of right now, I’m not planning on him until they tell me I can plan on him. He’s going to see (Dr.) Watkins and we’ll get an update on that. I can’t say I’m expecting bad news, good news or any news, but I just know he’s not the player that he can be because of the back right now. Are we going to be in a position to get that player back at some point throughout this season? It would be nice, but just don’t know what the issue is and what’s possible. The early process of what he’s been dealing with, the full expectation was that the time out would help and he would be back. That obviously hasn’t happened. Medicine is an inexact science, it’s trial and error. They can see something, they can work through it, but again, when people continue to fail in a rehab process, then you’re dealing with a much more concerning issue.”

On whether Youkilis’s back issue was a concern this winter…
“He passed his physical, came in through flying colors, and that’s with a history of back issues and certainly having a full diagnostic workup. And (there was) a comfort level of knowing the White Sox offered him a two-year deal and that’s where he just came from.”

On whether Cashman has looked into trade upgrades for the offense…
Man, I’ve been active already. I feel like up until recently we’ve been getting a new player in here — they weren’t relatively big splashes, but it just feels like from mid-Spring Training on, we’ve been on overdrive mixing and matching stuff. I’m always open for business if it feels like they’re incremental upgrades or significant ones. The opportunity for significant upgrade trades obviously don’t usually take place until after the June draft. We’re past that date, so I think the atmosphere should be right about there. Activities in terms of conversations have definitely increased where clubs have turned their attention to: ‘All right, what are you guys looking to do? Who do you need? Who’s available?’ Every GM is kind of cataloging the available players and team needs. From that, obviously something can transpire over time with a few more conversations. Listen, because of the injuries that have hit us from the winter and March, we’ve been active and open to try to do something that would make sense for us. I think we’ve done a lot, and we’re going to continue to try to do a lot. We’ll see where it takes us.”

On the reports on Michael Pineda…
“The reports have been really good. He’s had a very good rehab process without issues. His velo has been topping out at 94, topping out at 95, sitting at 92. Today he was up to 94, sat at 92, or today, he was up to 95, sat at 93. I think, over time, you’re going to get a chance to see more — if there’s more there — as he gets stretched out, but that’s where he’s at so far.”

It was suggested that the Yankees had at least somewhat salvaged the road trip…
“It wasn’t a good West Coast trip at all, actually; 4-6 makes it sound better than it felt. That’s because we got swept in Oakland, and especially with the 18-(inning) loss, then the extended losing streak into Anaheim for two, it puts a lot of distance between what you did in Seattle before you got into Oakland and Anaheim. We’re glad we’re off the West Coast. There are obviously a lot of ups and downs throughout the season, and that was not an enjoyable trip.”

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334 Responses to “In his own words: The Cashman conversation”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    repost:

    I’m still in “push me over with a feather” mode that Bodhi is Prufrock.

    Bodhi was absolutely the most gentle, kind, unassuming poster I ever met. He never used grandiose words and there was nothing about him that ever had a hint of condescension. Nothing. He would never be mean and nasty to anybody. He was pure sweetness. He did get upset when people were trashing Posada, but he still never turned into a shot taker or a meanspirited person over it. He left the forum because he was upset over it, or at least that’s why I thought he left. And I constantly wished that he would come back.

    I do not believe they are the same person. If they are, all I can say is that someone had to have kicked the crap out of his dog, shot his best friend, called his mama hideous names, and pulled out every one of his teeth with no provocation in order for him to have turned into someone so different.

  2. mick June 17th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    nothing was proved on the road trip.
    they are still the same team, the 18 inning game counts a 1 loss.
    time to turn the page.

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    mick, I saw your answer on the other thread and responded to it there.

    :)

  4. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Chad-

    Thanks for the extended quotes.

    I must say there are several amazing statements contained therein.

    Pearls like :

    “I never thought about using Tex Rt-handed only.” Really ?

    Or this beauty

    “Medicine is an inexact science. Mostly trial and error.” Really ?

    Maybe the guys you use.

    Perhaps you should consider changing them.

    I really can’t believe he actually said some of the things he did.

  5. Pat M. June 17th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Tricia……I agree , The Bod was a very mellow and astute contributor.. Fantasy101….At this point we can only hope but I see the problem is not entirely who they pick, it’s the lack of instructors that roam the system and with their dough there should be at least one more coach on the staff at some capacity. Gil was a huge acquisition though, long time coming….He should have never left. Man what a talent he was before his arm went

  6. mick June 17th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    cash says things in such a matter of fact way, it doesn’t seem like he’s lying.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Pat M, I think it is definitely a case of mistaken identity.

    MTU – are you Bodhi?

  8. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Pat M.-

    “it’s the lack of instructors that roam the system and with their dough there should be at least one more coach on the staff at some capacity.”

    Me, you, Randy, and GB used to disuss that all the time.

    ;)

  9. tbone1570 June 17th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    mick June 17th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    cash says things in such a matter of fact way, it doesn’t seem like he’s lying.

    ==============================

    He does have a tell when he’s lying. It’s when his lips are moving! :)

  10. Chad Jennings June 17th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    mick June 17th, 2013 at 9:51 pm e
    cash says things in such a matter of fact way, it doesn’t seem like he’s lying.

    I largely agree. There are situation in which it’s clearly in Cashman’s best interest to lie — trade talks, interest in a certain player, the value of prospects — and you have to take those comments in a certain context.

    But some of the stuff he says about players under contract with no hope of trading them, I think he’s at least as honest as any other GM in the game. You or I may disagree with many, many moves he’s made — and some of his quotes my come across as goofy because of his personality — but I don’t think he lies about facts. He might misrepresent his position and his opinion on certain players, but when facts are involved, I think he’s a fairly straight shooter. For example, I believe him when he says Long never voiced his concern about Teixeira. I’m less convinced of the details about his interest in the trade market.

  11. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Trisha-

    Absolutely not.

    I never have been anyone other than good ole MTU.

    Bohdi/JAP have way more literary ability in their little fingers than I have in my whole body.

    Also, I am not a vegetarian. I love eating meat.

  12. theREALkevin June 17th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Good to see Tex’s wrist isn’t hurt enough to stop tweeting. Granted his last tweet looks like it’s about a good cause, but damn do him or Joba ever quit with that? I really question how much Joba actually cares about baseball

  13. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Chad-

    How bout that in-flight wi-fi ?

    The marvels never cease.

    :)

  14. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Blogging at 500 MPH 30,000 ft above the ground.

  15. mick June 17th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    I think the purpose of the Cashman state of the union was to bury the lead on Long.
    He used to read the riot act in the past when he felt it was needed.
    Like when a Mgr purposely gets thrown out to wake the team up I think he will use Long as the scapegoat if they don’t start hitting by the ASB.
    That is, if he can get the OK from Girardi and Arod. Hal would go along with it.

  16. Pat M. June 17th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    mick…..my buddy who runs the stickball team told me that there’s a complex on the lower west side that sits on the Hudson on what used to be piers. It’s there that the Championship games will be played and the fields have lights . At least that’s what he was told . Stickball under the lights ?????

  17. mick June 17th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    chelsea pier?

  18. Chad Jennings June 17th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    MTU June 17th, 2013 at 10:09 pm e
    Chad-

    How bout that in-flight wi-fi ?

    The marvels never cease.

    Not sure how Pete did the blog without it! People always tell me that flying is great for reading, and I do read fairly often — working on a terrific Thomas Jefferson biography right now — but most of my flight time is spent working on blog posts or early newspaper stories (or booking travel, or replying to email, or doing expenses). Having internet on flights is a game-changer.

    By the way, this job lets you really build up some frequent flyer miles … I’m on this flight with Billy Eppler, and I’m pretty sure I got bumped up to first class and he didn’t. That’s what he gets for shooting me in the back of the head during paintball two years ago!

  19. mick June 17th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    indoor stickball. i tried indoor softball once and it unnatural and deceiving. all of a sudden i thought i was a pull hitter with that short LF wall or was it canvass?

  20. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Chad-

    I used it too a while back on a trip back East.

    I find it amazing.

    I used to log a lot of air miles too for my work so I completely understand the ocassional perks.

    ;)

  21. mick June 17th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    indoor stickball or softball also provided no hitters backdrop in CF….all white was not alright.

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    MTU – Bodhi was just like you.

    And Bodhi was never into literary name dropping or anything else. Just salt of the earth, lovely person. Much like you.

    But anyway, I don’t accept they are the same person. If they are, then Bodhi has changed immensely.

  23. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Tomorrow is a hike day so I’ll bid you all a good night.

    Enjoy the rest of your evening.

  24. Pat M. June 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    MTU…..I remember those discussions and especially on that topic. SJ always had some good insights as well, but it’s always bewildered me that once the Bombers started to pile up championships George would slash the minor league system of scouts and instructors. Most foolish and now they continue to pay the price…..Miss the Greenberet 7

  25. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Cashman isn’t lying, he’s butt covering

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 17th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Definitely miss GB7. :(

    Awesome guy. Truly.

    Pat M – I’m going to have more pictures for you to see in the near future.

  27. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Pat M.-

    Yes. SJ too. I miss his commentary.

    And like you GB.

    Perhaps you are like me and believe you’ll see him again ?

    Have a pleasant evening.

    See you tomorrow.

  28. ron June 17th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Chad:

    I would have traded them before the season.
    I know it will be much more difficult now,that is why I would of done it when the dodgers,angels wen’t crazy.

    I believe cano would of easily gotten us 2 top prospects.A 3b,and maybe a ss.
    Granderson,i would of gotten,or tried for a top 2b prospect,and hughes maybe an o’f. prospect.

    I think that is very reasonable,imo.

  29. Pat M. June 17th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Tricia…..Prom time of the year .. Mick, I remember playing a Pony league in the Kingsbridge Armory back in the 60′s and it was very strange as the lights weren’t too good. I think it’s Pier 40 but it doesn’t matter because I’m not sure we’ll be around for the quarter finals and finals…….The yard in Harlem is on Park Ave because guys have hit balls onto the tracks of the Metro North.

  30. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Not trading Cano during the offseason could turn out to be the most costly non-move the franchise has made in a very long time.

  31. Chip June 17th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Luke Murton, who led the organization in HRs last year, was released.

    Mustelier was put on the AAA DL (as was Melky Mesa)

    With Dan Johnson starting to hit a little and the signing of Ruiz I’m guessing that Johnson will be called up when Tex gets put on the DL. They’ll need a spot on the 40 – I would give him Mesa’s.

  32. Chad Jennings June 17th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    ron June 17th, 2013 at 10:41 pm e
    Chad:
    I would have traded them before the season.

    Not saying it would have been the wrong thing to do, but would you have been basically punting on this season? Would you have been sacrificing the present for the future? Plenty of teams do it, but selling off Cano, Granderson and Hughes would have been worse than what the Marlins did this winter. The idea of it would have played exceptionally well with a small part of the fan base, but on the whole, I think it would have been ugly. Again, maybe the franchise has gotten to the point that it needs to do something that drastic, but it would have been an epic turning point.

  33. Chip June 17th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Chad,

    I don’t know that dealing those three (or some combination of them) would have been a punt on the season. It really depends on what the team could have gotten back for them.

  34. Giuseppe Franco June 17th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    theREALkevin June 17th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Good to see Tex’s wrist isn’t hurt enough to stop tweeting. Granted his last tweet looks like it’s about a good cause, but damn do him or Joba ever quit with that? I really question how much Joba actually cares about baseball

    ———-

    So I guess you’re saying that players who are under-performing shouldn’t have the same rights the rest of us do participating on Twitter.

    But you don’t have any problem with players using Twitter who are playing well.

  35. Giuseppe Franco June 17th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Bodhi usually had reasonable contributions to the discussion until he would play the race card when people would criticize Melky Cabrera or simply preferred Brett Gardner to be a better long term option for this club.

    In fact, I seem to recall Bodhi left LoHud for good not long after Melky was traded to the Braves.

  36. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    “They can see something, they can work through it, but again, when people continue to fail in a rehab process, then you’re dealing with a much more concerning issue.”

    ————

    Just saw that. Thanks for the extended quotes Chad.

    Very interesting…I’m really glad to hear Cash say so.

  37. Chad Jennings June 17th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Chip June 17th, 2013 at 10:51 pm e
    Chad,

    I don’t know that dealing those three (or some combination of them) would have been a punt on the season. It really depends on what the team could have gotten back for them.

    True. If it’s a deal for someone like Justin Upton, then maybe it works both short-term and long-term. But it just seems that if a team is going to trade away a big league ready prospect — Upton, Profar, Stanton, etc. — why wouldn’t they just keep the young player and not take on Cano (or whoever else)? It’s just hard to find a good match for high-dollar guys in the final year of their contract. The theory of it makes sense, but finding a match is tough.

  38. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    “The idea of it would have played exceptionally well with a small part of the fan base, but on the whole, I think it would have been ugly. ”

    There is a good chance that things may get ugly next season if they go to $189m, but without the benefit of getting assets back that could have jump started a reloading process.

    So really, the choice wasn’t necessarily that stark.

  39. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    By the way, this job lets you really build up some frequent flyer miles … I’m on this flight with Billy Eppler, and I’m pretty sure I got bumped up to first class and he didn’t. That’s what he gets for shooting me in the back of the head during paintball two years ago!

    How wonderfully petty! I love it. Chad do you pay extra for internet on a flight or can you expense it? I imagine you’d expense it since you’re doing work. Thats a great deal, I’d kill to have internet on a flight.

  40. Giuseppe Franco June 17th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Trading Cano and jump starting a rebuilding process most definitely would not have been the kind of message the organization wanted to send to the fan base.

    There are number of us who would accept such a philosophical transition in order to build a young core over the long term but I think it’s safe to say that we are in the minority.

    Cashman these days plays a lot of checkers with his roster decisions and not enough chess.

  41. Pat M. June 17th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Rich in NJ…..I think once Hal and the Brass decided against investing in the international market after passing on Holliday they painted themselves into this corner. And the paint isn’t drying anytime soon…….They can still hope to get something for Cano and Hughes ( who is getting attention my several clubs ) but frankly they’re screwed on getting full value on them and Granderson of course. This is a club that might be only a 85 win team for the next few years and that’s if their pitching comes through in 2014-15…..Lean times folks are on the horizon

  42. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    “Trading Cano and jump starting a rebuilding process most definitely would not have been the kind of message the organization wanted to send to the fan base.”

    But what message will they be sending in 2014, if they vastly overpay Cano yet keep the payroll at $189m, while relying on a 39 year old A-Rod, a 40 year old Jeter, a Teixeira who has been declining v. RHP since ’09, Ichiro, Wells, and no ML ready bats of note? Smoke and mirrors, really, which insults fans.

    “Cashman these days plays a lot of checkers with his roster decisions and not enough chess.:

    Yup, no strategy, only tactics.

  43. ron June 17th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    I would of gambled on players like dom brown,olt,etc…Prospects instead of established players like Stanton,upton,etc…

    Imo,we end up there either way,and are basically there now,not including the dl’d big contract players that we can’t trade anyways,and havn’t helped us all year.
    Outside of cano,granderson has not helped at all,and hughes has not been great.
    All i’m saying is,trading those 3 might be a way to get by the draft limitations,and compete under the new cba.
    If there was no 189,we would not be having this conversation.

  44. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    Pat

    They didn’t invest in Holliday because Cashman, by his own admission, convinced them to spend the money a year ahead of time for Tex.

  45. Chad Jennings June 17th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    Giuseppe Franco June 17th, 2013 at 11:14 pm e
    Trading Cano and jump starting a rebuilding process most definitely would not have been the kind of message the organization wanted to send to the fan base.

    There are number of us who would accept such a philosophical transition in order to build a young core over the long term but I think it’s safe to say that we are in the minority.

    Cashman these days plays a lot of checkers with his roster decisions and not enough chess.

    No question a part of the fan base would have embraced such a move, but that sort of move coupled with this year’s struggles from Heathcott and others would have been a bad combo. The Yankees are trying to have the best of both worlds, which might be impossible, but that’s clearly that they’re trying to do. Short-term fill-ins to try to help the team win now without sacrificing the future.

  46. Chad Jennings June 17th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 11:06 pm e
    How wonderfully petty! I love it. Chad do you pay extra for internet on a flight or can you expense it? I imagine you’d expense it since you’re doing work. Thats a great deal, I’d kill to have internet on a flight.

    Definitely expense it! Internet on one flight is about half of what it costs for a month at my apartment. I’ve gotten so used to it, though, that I usually pay myself when I’m flying home in the winter. I just feel like I’m wasting too much time otherwise.

  47. JobaTipsHisCap June 17th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    K long big mouth. He is in trouble.

  48. ron June 17th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    The rs slopped together a team,and are in 1st place,but they were smart enough to get their bad contracts under control,and are competing with decent pitching,in wich case,outside of debth,trading hughes does not kill us,imo,especially if we are going to lose him anyways,wich I do not know if that is the case.
    A lot of money might be coming off the books,but because we are over the 189 by like 44 million,we can’t replace the players with any significant ones.
    What next,lose granderson,hughes,others without qo’s because we are afraid they might accept?

  49. jacksquat June 17th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    I think Pineda should be sitting 100 and touching 105, like right now. That’s what it will take to get fair value for the great Montero.

  50. Giuseppe Franco June 17th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    But what message will they be sending in 2014, if they vastly overpay Cano yet keep the payroll at $189m, while relying on a 39 year old A-Rod, a 40 year old Jeter, a Teixeira who has been declining v. RHP since ’09, Ichiro, Wells, and no ML ready bats of note? Smoke and mirrors, really, which insults fans.

    ——–

    You’re preaching to the choir on that point but it will be interesting to see how the organization would respond to an 85 win season and no playoffs.

    I have to wonder if Hal will remain firm on that $189M payroll or if there is any wiggle room.

    I’d really like to see some new blood in that front office because I simply don’t have any confidence that Cashman can rebuild this team long term.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Did Cashman actually say of Youkilis that “backs usually don’t get better.” ?? Yeah, that’s right. So why’d you give this guy $12M again??

    Problem with trading these guys is Cashman/Eppler would be making the deal. The less they do on a grand scale, the better. This is why I could not agree with Randy on the team tanking. I understand where he was coming from philosophically, but as I said at the time, it just puts inept people under pressure and that’s a bad combination. They’re not firing this guy no matter what, at least, I can’t foresee it with these owners; he apparently has the job for life.

    The best thing would be a return to the postseason and then filling in with youngsters in 2014-15. The progress will be slow, but at least we can root for young system players with a future. Jo-Ram, DePaula, Sanchez/Murphy, Gumbs/Feliz, Austin, Flores, Heathcott/Mason… If some of those guys can become regulars on this team, I think the fan imagination can be recaptured, even through their struggles. I know I’d be back in the Bronx to watch those kids.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock June 17th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    JobaTipsHisCap June 17th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    K long big mouth. He is in trouble.
    ///

    He’s got a great role model.

  53. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    “The Yankees are trying to have the best of both worlds, which might be impossible, but that’s clearly that they’re trying to do.”

    How can investing $32m in a player with a bad back, a player who has been horrible for 4 of the last 6 years, and a player who has been in decline for 2 years except for 1 month be construed as having the best of both worlds?

  54. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    JF

    Paid $14 on Delta flight from LA last week for WiFi.

  55. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    GF-

    If the Steinbrenner’s stick to the 189M, I’m not sure any GM could rebuild the team quickly enough.

  56. Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    “If the Steinbrenner’s stick to the 189M, I’m not sure any GM could rebuild the team quickly enough.”

    That’s true of any GM who walked into this situation, but it’s hard to argue that there aren’t GMs who would have done a better job with mL development, trades, and free agent signings over the last 10 years, which would have put the Yankees in a more flexible situation.

  57. Giuseppe Franco June 18th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    Seems like their “best of both worlds” philosophy is now crumbling due to the number of predictably bad short term moves combined with the lack of development of starting pitchers and position players.

    I was thrilled when Cashman took control of the farm system back in 2005/06 but I’ve been tremendously disappointed that they haven’t produced more than a handful of solid major league contributors over that time period.

    I think that is killing them more than any other reason.

  58. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    I’m not surprised that Tex is having trouble with the right wrist. I remember him putting a good lefty swing in the second inning and hitting what I thought was a long fly ball that I thought might be gone, only to softly land in Josh Hamilton’s glove. It was soon after that swing, that he removed himself from the game.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    We signed Randy Ruiz? I guess “former” steroid users are acceptable minor-league filler, then? :D

  60. Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Dan Johnson?

    .218 .363 .374 .737

  61. Pat M. June 18th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Yankee Trader…..I watched that swing and I thought that ball was a drive but it weakly was caught by Hamilton. Funny thing is it sounded good coming off the bat.

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  63. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:23 am

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  65. Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    Had the Yankees been in on one of the reasonable contracts for either Chapman, Cespedes, or Puig, you might feel differently about the front office. Some of the moves were due to bad timing.
    _

    Good now, more hopeful, maybe, but that one move shouldn’t negate the past mistakes.

    The lack of mL development, my biggest criticism, has nothing to do with timing.

  66. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 12:26 am

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  67. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    YT, they need more than one, though. They’re not really in a “we need one guy to put us over the top” position any more. That window is gone.

  68. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    Rich

    I can’t argue about minor league development. It seems that every talented arm they sign will have a prerequisite TJ surgery on their pitching elbow.

  69. Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    If Francesser is to be believed (and he does have “sawrces” inside the Yankees), ownership now realizes they need big offensive stars to drive ratings. The big hairy monsters just don’t get it done for the non-hirsute-o-phile masses.

  70. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 12:34 am

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    I looked at Almonte’s splits this morning. They were decent from the right side in terms of BA.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Chad,

    Is that Randy Ruiz the same Randy Ruiz?

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    YT,

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  73. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    the non-hirsute-o-phile masses.
    ///

    lol. Does Mike have sources? He seems to be out of the loop whenever I have the misfortune of (accidentally) tuning in.

  74. yankeefeminista June 18th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    Let’s hope Francesser’s sawrces are wrong. Last thing we need is a big offensive star who is over the hill. Been there, done that.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    YF, this is the problem with these people. They screw it up and then they get a chance to screw it up some more.

  76. Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    Pruf, yf

    Part of what he said was that they see that Cano isn’t driving ratings (I suppose you can argue that they would be worse without him).

    I think we disagree on the advisability of giving Cano a massive contract, but all that aside, Jeter and A-Rod have driven the ratings gravy train for a long time.

    The over the hill types don’t draw flies.

    Let’s hope they are seeing the overwhelming evidence of that.

  77. Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    GN all

  78. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 12:46 am

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  79. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    Goodnight all.

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  81. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:49 am

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    Randy Ruiz, born in Da Bronx.

  83. yankeefeminista June 18th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    Rich, it’s too bad that who is considered “over the hill” is a matter of perspective or misevaluation.

    Pruf, we should had made moves before we were in lame duck mode like the Rays and Boston did/do.

    Any news on Daniel Lopez (in SI game); he supposedly got hit by a ball. I am too lazy to check the details, but I hope he is all right.

    Any relation to Rosie? :)

    Have a good night.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    Any relation to Rosie? :)
    ///

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  85. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    Didn’t hear about Lopez but hope he is ok. Seems like everyday lately someone else gets hit.

    Josh Johnson with 10Ks tonight. I’m sure jmills likes it.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:58 am

    Toronto’s epitaph may be a bit premature. The division is mediocre from top to bottom.

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:59 am

    Turning in. G’nite YF.

  88. yankeefeminista June 18th, 2013 at 12:59 am

    Guess Lopez after staying down a while walked off on his own, so that is good news. Jairo Heredia, on another comeback try is pitching for SI on Wed.

  89. yankeefeminista June 18th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    G’Night!

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    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
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    Chad,

    Is that Randy Ruiz the same Randy Ruiz?

    —-

    Yep, that’s the guy. I assume just signed to give the AAA lineup a much-needed boost. Can’t imagine he’s being considered a big league option. Just need some offense down there in Scranton. Yankees have made that sort of signing before.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 1:02 am

    YF, always wanted to see “Little Pedro”.

    ‘night :D

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    Thanks, Chad.

    ‘night, all.

  93. Nick in SF June 18th, 2013 at 1:18 am

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    they can bring him up until Granderson gets back. If Neal falters and Musty gets healthy, they can bring him up as a DH against lefties because as a third basemen, he may be a liability. If anyone one can figure out a better solution without trading for better players, let me know because I used to marvel at how Stengel used to platoon his players, and I go back to the Joe McCarthy era where the same players played everyday no matter who was pitching.

  95. Tar June 18th, 2013 at 7:08 am

    I don’t get the Tex is not a RH batter only quote. I’m thinking it has to be because of insurance money. Otherwise why wouldn’t they platoon him this year, which would in effect be less abusive to his tendon while still giving the Yankees a chance ? And by the end of the Year maybe he can swing LH, or if not have the surgery then.

    The KLong conversation probably should have been kept in house. But I guess thats how Cashman rolls now.

    Have a good day

  96. luis June 18th, 2013 at 7:11 am

    Good morning everyone,

    I haven’t been paying too much attention lately… But it seems that the team has come down ( crash down ) to earth… Perception can be deceiving, but stats don’t lie… We were outperforming the mean by a very large margin,this was bound to happen.

    You can’t build a team around aging old players…. At some point it comes back to bite you… If they wanted to compete and at the same time rebuild,they should have started after 2009… Now it is too late for that… I read Axisa’s post and unfortunately is right on point… Their over reliance on a very old core and their “win now” policy has basically left us with no other option than a full fledged rebuilding period… As he says and as I have said many times, I rather see them taking serious steps toward a rebuild and be honest about it than this constant BS or denial on the general direction of the team.

    I don’t think they will be able to do too much toward the rebuilding goal this season, since they didn’t trade the players when they had the most trade value ( during last winter )…. The most we will get is “comp draft picks” after those players are gone… Which means that the rebuild will take longer than it needed to take.

    I honestly don’t think that Cashman is the man for the job, since he is mostly responsible for the situation we are in ( the owners have their fair share of the blame as well )… Especially the reluctance to face reality and act accordingly ( trade present for future for instance or have the patience to let the prospect grow, instead they chose the instant gratification route )

  97. Frankg June 18th, 2013 at 7:18 am

    I hope they call up Ruiz, instead of Johnson. Ruiz was 4 for 6 in yesterday’s double header. It seems like it took Johnson almost 2 months to get 4 hits. They need more right-handed hitters. Someone right-handed to play 1B to platoon with Overbay. Ruiz has more power. Johnson is hitting .227

  98. luis June 18th, 2013 at 7:21 am

    I rather go with Tex as the right handed option…. Ruiz is 35 years old and Tex is alreadya platoon like player

  99. luis June 18th, 2013 at 7:24 am

    Got to go…. Later

  100. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Good morning Luis:

    “I don’t think they will be able to do too much toward the rebuilding goal this season, since they didn’t trade the players when they had the most trade value ( during last winter )…. The most we will get is “comp draft picks” after those players are gone.”

    If Hughes maintains his inconsistancy and Granderson doesn’t regain his power stroke after the fractured right wrist, I don’t think the Yankees will take the chance of extending and having them accept the QO, projected to be 14-15M, up from 13.3M.

    You’re right. Currently the Yankees have little of trade value to obtain bats to improve this “offensive” offense.

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  102. luis June 18th, 2013 at 7:32 am

    Hey Trader,

    I am going out, but I’ll be back in a coupe of hours… I think you are right on Granderson, especially after his dismal PS. I mean he hasn’t have enough playing time to erase those games.. On Hughes if he ends up with a similar season as last year, I would offer him the QO, since he will get a multi year deal elsewhere… But yeah, depending on how their seasons end up, it might be risky to give them a QO… But that would be the worst case scenario IMO..

  103. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    Until later Luis.

    Have a great day.

  104. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Here’s a list of all free agents:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

    There are a handful of position players that might help if their teams fall out of contention by the TD, which is harder to predict since 10 out of 30 teams will make the playoffs.

  105. blake June 18th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Is Julio Franco available? He seems like a good fit for this team

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  107. blake June 18th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    McCann would be my #1 target aside from Cano

  108. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Good morning.

    Julio Franco! :)

    Why not use either Tony Pena or Joe Girardi as player-managers?

    “In the history of MLB, there have been 221 player–managers, 59 of whom are in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.”

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  109. MTU June 18th, 2013 at 8:39 am

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  110. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Blake-

    McCann as an offseason target. If the Phillies fall out of it, as a rental, Carlos Ruiz? I’m not sure he’s been able to stay healthy this year, or off testosterone.

    The oldest free agent position player is Jason Giambi-is Cashman plotting his return? :)

  111. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    MTU-

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  112. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 8:45 am

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    Will be interesting to see if we here about Kevin Long getting his fruit of the looms chewed today. Pretty stupid to publicly state he knew something wasn’t right with Tex from the first game and not have mentioned it to the manager, G.M. or medical staff.

    I don’t see the Yanks having any off-season targets that will be pricey, though it’s possible. McCann would be a very good fit. Would rather spend $ 15 M on him than Granderson…. but that is the strongest position in the system.

  114. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Blake, based on McCann’s size, age and position and given the fact that two of the best rated prospects in the system are catchers,I believe McCann might be another addition to our quota of DH’s in the near future.

    The organization will not be able to solve its personnel problems from without except by trading,and hopefully(emphasis on hope) from its aging vets.

    If we’re looking for a stretch we should have given AJP a two year deal.

  115. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    This entire episode of Long seemingly not expressing any doubts about Tex are ludicrous.

    Does anyone imagine that a coach does not inform his mgr. of any injury suspicions?

    This is the Cashman distraction machine from his own inept administration of the organization.

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