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Notes from Cashman conference call

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Quite a few notes from a lengthy Brian Cashman conference call…

Mark Teixeira• The Yankees were surprised by Kevin Long’s comments about Mark Teixeira being not quite right ever since he came off the disabled list. Cashman said Long had not mentioned any of those concerns during his internal discussions with the team. “It’s alarming in the fact that K-Long would say that to a group of reporters,” Cashman said. In fact, Cashman went on to say that he never had any reports, whatsoever, that Teixeira was having any issues with his wrist aside from the obvious stats. Responding to whether he’s upset with Long, Cashman said: “I think some people are better with the microphone than others.”

• Despite the setback, Cashman said he does not second-guess the Yankees decision to postpone surgery with Teixeira. The Yankees were told he had a 70 percent chance of not needing surgery, and they had to play those odds. “You can’t put him down to do a surgery when the doctors are saying a 30 percent chance of having to have a surgery,” Cashman said. For now, the Yankees are still hoping he won’t need surgery.

• Did Teixeira come back too quickly? “No,” Cashman said. “I think we actually went longer to the point that the player was complaining publicly with it. We actually took a very slow and methodical process here.”

• Cashman expressed what felt like significant concern about Kevin Youkilis’s recurring back injury. “Back issues usually don’t get better,” he said. So why did the Yankees sign Youkilis knowing his history? Cashman said it had to do with Youkilis coming through his offseason physical with flying colors and the “comfort level knowing the White Sox offered him a two-year deal and that’s where he just came from.”

• Cashman said he’s been actively involved in several trade talks and has, at times, felt close to making things happen. Not always massive impact moves, but smaller improvements. “I’m always open for business whether they’re incremental upgrades or significant ones,” he said.

Alex Rodriguez• Michael Pineda will make his next start on Thursday in the Florida State League. He could have pitched Wednesday, but that’s a day game and the Yankees would rather have Pineda pitch at night.

• Alex Rodriguez did three rounds of batting practice on the field today. He also did ground balls to both sides and fielded slow rollers. He will also get simulated at-bats against live pitching tomorrow. “Obviously Alex is doing a lot more stuff (than the other guys),” Cashman said.

• Eduardo Nunez took 30 ground balls on the dirt today. He also did tee and toss and long toss. Is it possible he could be playing before the All-Star break? “I guess it’s possible,” Cashman said.

• Francisco Cervelli did long toss and receiving drills. He’s “maybe” a week to 10 days away from swinging a bat underwater. He won’t be back before mid-July.

• Curtis Granderson will have the pin taken out of his hand on Thursday. He’ll need roughly a week of strength and grip exercises before beginning to swing a bat.

• Derek Jeter did tee and toss and 15 swings of cage batting practice. He also did 20 ground balls with side-to-side movement and throws to first base.

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563 Responses to “Notes from Cashman conference call”

  1. mick June 17th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    So…this was a precursor to LOng’s firing?

  2. Hassey June 17th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    The good news is that we will definitely win the Eastern division in the DL league.

    The bad news is that K-Long will soon be on the soup line.

  3. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 2m
    Cashman said Pineda has been sitting at 92 mph in his rehab outings, topping out at 94-95.

    Before the injury he was basically at Justin Verlander velocity, now he’s Phil Hughes velocity.

    If he does come back this season he won’t be nearly as effective as he was in 2011.

  4. mick June 17th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    This all sounds like after the ASB in Boston, we will start becoming whole again, for the 1st time.
    Message: Tex will not be a distraction till then.
    Lets sprint to the break fellas…

  5. Mike in Harrisburg June 17th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Does Cashman really call him K-Long?

  6. mick June 17th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    The bad news is that K-Long will soon be on the soup line.
    ==========
    Why is that bad news?

  7. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Advice for the Yankees:

    1. New hitting coach with focus on Average and singles/doubles.
    2. Move the stupid wall in RF back 20 ft and tell the hitters to stop trying to hit pop ups over it.
    3. Come up with a REAL plan for 2013 and after. You would be surprised how many fans will get behind a rebuilding year IF there is a real plan to make the team better in the future years. You will not get 50K fans out to watch Vernon wells hit .100 over a month, or Brignac his .100 forever. Hell, even watching Cano hit .275 is hard for fans to pay to see.

  8. fantasygame101 June 17th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Long is making stuff to save himself.

  9. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    They better not bring Pineda back from the minors until they are 100% sure he is an upgrade. 92 is not going to do it for him. Leave him in AAA, and let him get stronger there, work on his stuff. We already have CC’s decreased velo to talk about weekly.

  10. Chip June 17th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    I don’t want them to call up Almonte.

    With Gardner and Ichiro being two of the few Yankees who are hitting – they’re going to play. I want Neal to play and then there’s Wells so Almonte won’t get at bats.

    With CoJo hurt I would be fine with the organization DFA’ing Melky Mesa and adding a Dan Johnson type to the bench until Mustelier is ready to play.

  11. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    There you have it from Cashman. Tex will NOT be a part time player.
    So surgery or full time suckitude.

  12. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Pineda is still building arm strength.

    It’s possible his avg. velo will rise.

    That said, he is coming back from shoulder surgery and an expectation that he will be exactly as he was before this soon seems overly optimistic to begin with.

    It usually takes quite a bit of time.

    Maybe he needs more.

  13. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    I assume Cashman was also including himself with regard to people who aren’t good with a microphone.

  14. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    CoJo is hurt too?
    So Boesch, Musty, Nuno and CoJo are all injured?
    There are more players in the majors and the system hurt than not.

  15. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Is replacing Kevin Long really going to make bad hitters into good hitters? There isn’t a hitting coach on the planet that will make Brignac, Stewart, Nix, Romine, etc into good hitters

  16. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Is Rudy Jaramillo available ?

    Said to be one of the better hitting coaches in baseball.

  17. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    LOL @ the Youk explanation.

    Chad – Do the writers audibly snicker during these things???

  18. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    “There isn’t a hitting coach on the planet that will make Brignac, Stewart, Nix, Romine, etc into good hitters”

    True, but at least Romine has a shot to become better, although obviously, not while being glued to the bench.

  19. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    “Chad – Do the writers audibly snicker during these things???”

    Feinsand bows.

  20. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    “Back issues never really go away but since the White Sox made him a 2 year offer we felt comfortable signing him for one year at double whatever AAV anyone else was offering.”

  21. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Translation: The White Sox were dumber than we were.

  22. 86w183 June 17th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Alex would like to have Jaramillo so that probably rules it out.

    Interesting he’s doing more baseball activity than Tex, Jeter, Granderson, Cervelli or Nunez.

    As for Pineda… don’t get too obsessed with velocity. There are guys in Cooperstown who never threw 92. His velocity will (or at least should) gradually increase. We wont know until spring just how high it is likely to get.

  23. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    True, but at least Romine has a shot to become better, although obviously, not while being glued to the bench.

    A very small shot, in my opinion. The last time he put up decent numbers was 2 years ago in AA. I’d love for him to become an above average hitter but I don’t see it, at least not this year.

  24. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Patrick

    Although league average is probably his ceiling he did have a good start to this mL season, albeit in 46 PA:
    333 .391 .405 .796

  25. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    JR Murphy is going to leapfrog Romine.

  26. DONNYBROOK June 17th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    The injuries are bad enough. Now we got internal finger pointing via Cashman attempting to dodge blame by throwing Long under the bus for Not being forth coming with information at “internal discussions”. A GM displaying this type of Public conduct should be called on the carpet immediately. I’m No Long guy, but even if Cashman’s comments are true, they should be confined to being expressed behind closed doors.

  27. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Was this posted already?

    ?@BryanHoch \

    Mark Teixeira’s 30% chance of season-ending surgery is still in play. Cashman said he’d prefer surgery over having Tex as part-time player.

  28. exiledintampa June 17th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    When I read Tex can’t hit off a tee left handed, I think it means, he hits like a kid who hits the tee or the top of the ball but can’t hit a line drive. He’s never gonna be good from that side again.

  29. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    As for Pineda… don’t get too obsessed with velocity. There are guys in Cooperstown who never threw 92. His velocity will (or at least should) gradually increase. We wont know until spring just how high it is likely to get.

    This is the weakest excuse ever. Yea some guys made due with less, so what? Plenty of guys didnt make due with less when it happened or didnt when that was all they had. Pineda’s only sustained stretch of excellence came with a fastball he threw 97+ 20% of the time. More velocity = better than. Velocity is an important component of pitching. It is not the only component and by itself does not guarantee success, but Pineda was specifically a good get because of his velocity and command of it.

  30. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Dont worry guys, Pineda will just become Greg Maddux, no big deal.

  31. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Rich like you said, 46 PA, also .448 babip

  32. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    It seemed like Romine always took more time to adjust to a new level. He was never projected to be much of a bat. I always figured he could be a .240-.270 guy, with .270-.280 being his absolute ceiling.

  33. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    “Mark Teixeira’s 30% chance of season-ending surgery is still in play. Cashman said he’d prefer surgery over having Tex as part-time player.”

    Why Brian ?

    He’s pretty good from the rt. side, you still get the D when you want it, and you don’t lose him for the whole season.

    Isn’t some production better than none ?

    Don’t get the reasoning there.

  34. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Translation: The White Sox were dumber than we were.

    —————-

    I just wanna know why that doesn’t work with other players lol. Like, ‘Hey Beltran had some injuries but we were comfortable making the 2 year offer since someone else was!’

  35. DONNYBROOK June 17th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Who cares if the W\S offered Youk a 2 yr deal? Basing a decision on the conduct of a 3rd party will get you snookered Everytime.

  36. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    I wonder if Pineda has gotten into the best shape of his life and taken the rehab super seriously, as Schilling’s doctor said was necessary to fully recover from this surgery.

  37. Russell Munson June 17th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    ““Back issues never really go away but since the White Sox made him a 2 year offer we felt comfortable signing him for one year at double whatever AAV anyone else was offering.””

    Didn’t Cashman justify trading for Pineda because he read an article on Fangraphs about his velocity not declining or something?

    How about the team that’s blowing millions on replacement level players do their own research instead of farming it out?

  38. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    JF-

    What were you expecting with Pineda at this stage ?

  39. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Shame

    You need to be in on these conference calls with a press credential!!!

  40. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    What were you expecting with Pineda at this stage ?

    Reduced velocity till the end of his days. Its exactly what I expected. He isnt getting back his 95+.

  41. Russell Munson June 17th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    “I wonder if Pineda has gotten into the best shape of his life and taken the rehab super seriously, as Schilling’s doctor said was necessary to fully recover from this surgery.”

    Has Schilling ever been in good shape?

  42. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Rich-

    All reports were that he was taking things extremely seriously.

    These kinds of things take lot’s of time.

    You, compared to most, should understand that.

    ;)

  43. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    “Hey, we know all we got were YouTube videos but since someone else extended a four year offer to Cespedes we felt comfortable with it..”

  44. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    “How about the team that’s blowing millions on replacement level players do their own research instead of farming it out?”

    At what point will they have spent more this season than they could potentially save by going under $189m next season?

  45. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    JF-

    I think that conclusion is way premature.

    But you’re entitled to it.

  46. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    MTU

    I really haven’t read that, but if that’s true, that’s a positive.

    It would be nice to have some objectivity readings on strength, BMI, etc.

  47. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    They weren’t keeping Montero.
    They would have traded him for less.

  48. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    “There isn’t a hitting coach on the planet that will make Brignac, Stewart, Nix, Romine, etc into good hitters”
    ___

    I would argue Nix is hitting a lot better than anyone expected.

  49. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    “There isn’t a hitting coach on the planet that will make Brignac, Stewart, Nix, Romine, etc into good hitters”
    ___

    I would argue Nix is hitting a lot better than anyone expected.

    Stewart too.

  50. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Didn’t Hughes sit 90 his last start, at full strength in mid season form? If Pineda is sitting 92 at the beginning of a minor league rehab assignment and touching 95 does anyone really think his velocity is capped with a hard cap so early?

  51. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Sure Rich but that info. will never be made public.

    even if it exists.

    That’s what I what I remember reading somewhere on his progress and attitude.

    You can Google Pineda/rehab and see if you can locate anything.

  52. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    I would argue Nix is hitting a lot better than anyone expected.

    Stewart too.
    =============
    They have nothing to do with Long.

  53. Niblick June 17th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    I don’t believe Cashman’s statements about K-Long for a second. They knew what was going on with Tex, but they panicked, like they did when they made Hughes take his first start this year.

    Cashman is just setting K-Long up.

  54. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Nix .282 wOBA, career .288
    Stewart .299 wOBA, career .269

    So Stewart is only terrible instead of beyond terrible. Nix is his usual below average self

  55. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    I still believe the Yankees should sit Tex down and convince him he is no longer a worthwhile hitter from the left side and to take the time he will be on the DL and rehabbing learning how to hit RHP from the right side. Gets him in the field and hitting from his better side. Hell, he even goes opposite field batting righty sometimes.

  56. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    It is all subterfuge.
    PR nonsense. We know nothing about Pineda and his “progress.”
    The Yankees are tighter than the KGB.

  57. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Nix .282 wOBA, career .288
    Stewart .299 wOBA, career .269
    _____

    Nix has been hitting the ball very well over the last month.
    I dont care about career numbers.
    I care what they are doing right now and both are currently hitting much better than their average.

  58. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    The Yanks are putting Long on notice and will use him as a convenient fall guy to try to shake things up if necc.

  59. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    The road back from shoulder surgery was always gonna be a hard one. Setbacks would be the norm.

    The greatest difficulty is for the player to continue to stay healthy.

    Sounds like some might have had their hopes up a bit too high on Pineda.

    It took Anibal Sanchez almost 3 years to fully regain his stuff after shoulder surgery.

    And he is pretty much the best case scenario.

    ;)

  60. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Mesa is on the DL too?
    So Musty, Boesch, Nuno, Demel, Mesa?
    The AAA team should NOT be taking queues from the big club.

  61. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I dont care about career numbers.
    I care what they are doing right now and both are currently hitting much better than their average.

    If you don’t care about career numbers how would you know if a player is hitting above their average? Makes no sense

  62. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    With all those guys on the DL, wouldn’t NOW be a good time to promote Heathcott and Austin?
    They have been hitting better lately in Trenton.

  63. MTU June 17th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Later gang.

    I’m out for now.

  64. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    The Yanks are putting Long on notice and will use him as a convenient fall guy to try to shake things up if necc.

    __________

    I hope this is true. If his job is not to help bad hitters become good hitters or good hitters become better (Tex and Cano) then what is the point of having a hitting coach to begin with. Either he has an effect or he doesn’t. If he has no effect then hitting coaches don’t matter and I guess pitching coaches don’t matter either. Let’s go back to Dave Eiland then.

  65. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    but what does shame think about all this?

  66. tbone1570 June 17th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    DONNYBROOK June 17th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    The injuries are bad enough. Now we got internal finger pointing via Cashman attempting to dodge blame by throwing Long under the bus for Not being forth coming with information at “internal discussions”. A GM displaying this type of Public conduct should be called on the carpet immediately. I’m No Long guy, but even if Cashman’s comments are true, they should be confined to being expressed behind closed doors.

    ======================================================

    Just like during the Jeter negotiation. Jeter tells them he won’t talk to other teams becuase he wants to be a Yankee. Two days later, Cashman is all over the radio and the print media telling Jeter to “go shop around”.

    Cashman’s a sniveling little (and I mean little in both senses) whiny, self centered twep who’s pissed that he got picked on by the jocks all thru high school.

  67. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    I care about Nix’s career numbers because they are identical to his current stats and sample sizes even out fluctuations over time.

  68. Mike in Harrisburg June 17th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    I’m okay with that.

  69. Russell Munson June 17th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “At what point will they have spent more this season than they could potentially save by going under $189m next season?”

    They have to be past that point already, I think. And their silly spending has led to a decline in attendance and a massive ratings decline that’s going to hurt them THIS year too.

  70. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    I hope this is true. If his job is not to help bad hitters become good hitters or good hitters become better (Tex and Cano) then what is the point of having a hitting coach to begin with. Either he has an effect or he doesn’t. If he has no effect then hitting coaches don’t matter and I guess pitching coaches don’t matter either. Let’s go back to Dave Eiland then.
    ======================
    buster- I think we are heading to a time when each player will have a personal hitting coach.
    you know like in the nba where they have 15 asst coaches…

  71. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Austin and Heathcott aren’t ready for promotion .. they have been in AA for half a year and aren’t exactly tearing it up. Age 21 and 22 respectively, there is no reason to rush them.

  72. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    I dont care about career numbers.
    I care what they are doing right now and both are currently hitting much better than their average.

    If you don’t care about career numbers how would you know if a player is hitting above their average? Makes no sense
    ___

    What are you talking about?
    The career average is important to know they are hitting above it.
    But them hitting that in years past is less relevant than what they are doing at the moment which is way better than the numbers you put out.

  73. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    nix has been the team MVP.
    just thnk about where we would be without him manning the left side for the injury d’jour…

  74. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Mick,

    Good, then Arod can keep Kevin Long and keep him far away from the rest of the hitters and their hitting coaches. Until then, I’d settle for a hitting instructor for the team that doesn’t block half the field with a net during HR drills.

  75. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    “nix has been the team MVP.”

    That’s been Gardner among non-pitchers.

  76. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    More than one hitting coach is actually a good idea and i can see it coming…

  77. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    forgot gardy but he is streaky, stevie nix is not…

  78. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Didn’t Hughes sit 90 his last start, at full strength in mid season form? If Pineda is sitting 92 at the beginning of a minor league rehab assignment and touching 95 does anyone really think his velocity is capped with a hard cap so early?

    -

    He sat around 91 but his season average is 92.2. So of course some starts he may sit lower and some higher. Pineda will probably be around the same number going forward. The history of shoulder injuries says that is the most likely case.

    He was uninjured (apparently) last spring and was a 91-92 mph pitcher. Now he did his rehab and his velocity is improved. Thats what happens when you rehab. The days of 95 mph pineda are over.

  79. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    What are you talking about?
    The career average is important to know they are hitting above it.
    But them hitting that in years past is less relevant than what they are doing at the moment which is way better than the numbers you put out.

    I literally quoted each player’s current wOBA for the 2013 season and their career average wOBA. You said you don’t care about career numbers because you already know they are hitting above their career numbers

    Nix is hitting the same he’s always hit – not very well. Stewart is doing slightly better than his usual but is still a significantly below average hitter. Both guys would be marginal bench players on a decent team, they should probably be playing 1-2 games out of every 10.

  80. austinmac June 17th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Pineda throwing 92 will not make him the successful pitcher he was in the first half of 2011. He is not exactly a command guy at this point with multiple pitches he can throw for stirkes.

    The unanswered question is whether he will regain his velocity. None of us knows nor do the Yankees.

  81. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    More than one hitting coach is actually a good idea and i can see it coming…
    _____

    Long can teach them how to hit homeruns at Yankee Stadium and the other hitting coach can teach them how to hit for average in YS and on the road. Like a platoon.

  82. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    buster- please reference the last thread toward bottom as we are in negotiations and need your input.

  83. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    I think teams should develop a philosophy/approach on offense and find players who fit within or possess the potential to develop within that system. A single hitting coach should be able to implement a good sound philosophy and keep everyone on the same page, drawing strengths from unique traits and mechanics of every hitter.

  84. hardwired7 June 17th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    When you’re basing your decisions on moves the Chicago White Sox are willing to make, you might have a problem with your thought making process.

  85. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Nix is hitting the same he’s always hit – not very well. Stewart is doing slightly better than his usual but is still a significantly below average hitter. Both guys would be marginal bench players on a decent team, they should probably be playing 1-2 games out of every 10.
    ____

    No you referred to on base percentage not average.
    I dont have to look at the numbers to know that Nix is hitting a higher average than he has in the past. Same with Stewart. Neither seem to be walking much, hence the lower OBP. But you would be wrong to imply that they are not hitting better in 2013 than they HIT before 2013.

  86. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    He was uninjured (apparently) last spring and was a 91-92 mph pitcher. Now he did his rehab and his velocity is improved. Thats what happens when you rehab. The days of 95 mph pineda are over.

    ______________

    He needs to sit 93-94 and touch 96. He sits 92 and touches 95.

    So his full recovery is over now that it has begun?

    Start a campaign, recruit other posters, leave me out.

  87. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    “forgot gardy but he is streaky, stevie nix is not…”

    Nix is usually consistently bad. If he has been better than his career, then it’s a streak by definition.

  88. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Oh you’re talking about batting average ONLY? Who cares about just batting average? Ok so Nix is hitting a couple more singles than usual but is walking less, hitting for less power. Dude has 49 hits, only 7 have been for extra bases. He’s a singles hitter hitting .250 .. not exactly a great player.

  89. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    he has been bad b/c he never plays.
    now , as with stewie, they are showing what they can do when used consistently.

  90. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    He needs to sit 93-94 and touch 96. He sits 92 and touches 95.

    No he needs to sit 94-95, regularly hitting 97

    Pretty enormous difference than what he’s at now.

  91. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    He needs to sit 93-94 and touch 96. He sits 92 and touches 95.

    He needs to sit 95 and touch 99 to be ‘traded for uninjured pineda’. But don’t expect that because his injury has affected him permanently like these things tend to do.

  92. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    “he has been bad b/c he never plays.
    now , as with stewie, they are showing what they can do when used consistently.”

    They are both over 30. They never play because they aren’t good. Anything else is an aberration.

  93. austinmac June 17th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Other teams hired an assistnat hitting coach in the past year or two. Long didn’t need one, apparently. That is the coming trend.

  94. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    20% of Pineda’s pitches in 2011 were at 97 or better. Thats an elite number. If 20% of his pitches are now 95-96 he is a different guy.

  95. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Long is living off of Grandy’s one big year.

  96. tbone1570 June 17th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Nix is hitting the same he’s always hit – not very well. Stewart is doing slightly better than his usual but is still a significantly below average hitter. Both guys would be marginal bench players on a decent team, they should probably be playing 1-2 games out of every 10.

    =====================================

    And the offensive alternatives are? These two guys are who they are and you really can’t complain about their offensive numbers this year (but Stewie’s defense – ugh!).

    If you want to complain that we should have better offensive players it’s a reflection on poor development and roster construction. Perhaps Mr Cashman can tell us who is responsible for that?

  97. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    if they are no good why are they on a team?
    nix is a ballplayer…

  98. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Oh you’re talking about batting average ONLY? Who cares about just batting average? Ok so Nix is hitting a couple more singles than usual but is walking less, hitting for less power. Dude has 49 hits, only 7 have been for extra bases. He’s a singles hitter hitting .250 .. not exactly a great player.
    ___

    Patrick you are ridiculous. I never said Nix is a great player. I said he and Stewart are hitting BETTER than their averages and their OBP’s are BOTh 30-40 points higher than career averages.

    So to summarize: BOTH are hitting almost 40 points higher than career avg and BOTH are OBP almost 40 points higher than career average.

    I will give you that Nix is hitting for less power and OPS is down, but at least he his hitting. We always said HOMER or BUST was a bad way to go and finally we have a couple guys hitting singles to mix in when power dries up LIKE IT HAS THIS YEAR.

  99. Warning Track Power June 17th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    I really like the photo of Alex. Not sure if the photo is current or not, but the image
    gets me excited that he’s making a lot of progress and working hard to help the win.
    ARod has always had a rep for working hard. He’s not afraid to sweat or hard work. That’s a nice rep to have. Which makes me feel that he will be as prepared as humanly possible when he returns next month.
    Cannot happen soon enough

  100. RespectTheGame June 17th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    We don’t want a “bridge year”. *

    But it’s looking like that.

    And next year may be Phase 2…ouch.

    *Theo Epstein’s inflammatory words to Red Sox Nation a few years back…lol

  101. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    if they are no good why are they on a team?
    nix is a ballplayer…
    _

    Because they can’t develop players.

  102. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    I love how .259 and .270 are considered well below average hitters to Patrick. That from two players who in their careers hit .220. I’ll take what we are getting from them this year.

  103. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    it is high, it is not far, it is long, he is gone…..

  104. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    And the offensive alternatives are? These two guys are who they are and you really can’t complain about their offensive numbers this year (but Stewie’s defense – ugh!).

    If you want to complain that we should have better offensive players it’s a reflection on poor development and roster construction. Perhaps Mr Cashman can tell us who is responsible for that?

    Well the point is that many on here think that Kevin Long is the problem and will make these hitters better. I’m saying that they are who they are, no hitting coach on earth can make them better.

  105. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Because they can’t develop players.
    ======================
    when we go a decade of losing like tampa we will develop

  106. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Pineda needs to sit 95 and touch 99?

    Or what?

    He’s still a damn good prospect to become a #2?

    How many elite starters sit 95 and touch 99?

    Less than 3?

  107. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Montero!

  108. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Because they can’t develop players.
    ___

    This may be true, but let’s be real here. We knew there would be injuries, but we never could have guessed the team would be crippled in NY and in AAA quite like it has been. If even half of those guys weren’t hurt, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

  109. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    “when we go a decade of losing like tampa we will develop”

    Which is never, because the money has put a floor and a ceiling on how good they are.

  110. Russell Munson June 17th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    “nix has been the team MVP.”

    So mick is either John Sterling or Suzyn Waldman?

  111. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    ac1,

    How am I ridiculous? You said career averages, you didn’t say career batting averages. When you say career averages I assume you meant overall numbers. Batting average alone is almost completely worthless. So I guess I’m sorry you worded your posts poorly?

    I quoted you wOBA which is a decent number to represent a player’s offense. This showed that Nix is about the same as he always has been and Stewart, while still pretty bad, is doing slightly better than his career numbers.

  112. tbone1570 June 17th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    He’s not afraid to sweat or hard work. That’s a nice rep to have.

    =============================

    And he’ll be very happy to tell us all how hard he works! :)

  113. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    So mick is either John Sterling or Suzyn Waldman?
    =====================
    some have said cashman…

  114. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Well the point is that many on here think that Kevin Long is the problem and will make these hitters better. I’m saying that they are who they are, no hitting coach on earth can make them better.
    ___

    Then why does any team need a hitting coach, if the players are what they are?
    Long’s job is to help them improve.
    And i would argue he has turned our guys who used to hit for average into players who look to hit homeruns to right.

  115. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Pinedas entire prospect status was wrapped up in his fastball. The velocity and his command of it.

  116. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Pineda needs to sit 95 and touch 99?

    Or what?

    He’s still a damn good prospect to become a #2?

    How many elite starters sit 95 and touch 99?

    Less than 3?

    This is getting ridiculous. Pineda was billed as an ace. If he sits 92 he will not be an ace because his secondary pitches and command aren’t good enough. If he sits 95 and touches 97+ he has the potential to be an ace.

  117. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    You’re basically saying, “Mariano Rivera’s fastball needs to cut? Or what?” or “Anyones best pitch needs to work correctly? or what?”

    Pineda was already a right handed, extreme flyball pitcher with elite velocity. Put him in NYS with less velocity and he is going to be a 1 HR/9 guy.

  118. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    but what does shame think about all this?

    —————–

    About what? Platoon hitting coaches? I like it! :D

  119. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    pineda could become a better pitcher if he has to learn to pitch without relying on velo alone

    it happens to many later in their career and this could have the same effect.

  120. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    How am I ridiculous? You said career averages, you didn’t say career batting averages. When you say career averages I assume you meant overall numbers. Batting average alone is almost completely worthless. So I guess I’m sorry you worded your posts poorly?

    I quoted you wOBA which is a decent number to represent a player’s offense. This showed that Nix is about the same as he always has been and Stewart, while still pretty bad, is doing slightly better than his career numbers.
    ____

    You are just a guy who wants to see only the negative and then try to whine to everyone that will listen. You can throw up any stat, but I think 99/100 are going to tell you we are getting a lot more than we expected from Nix and Stewart who are two back up players thrown into full time play. Both have increased their average AND their OBP. If you think those two stats don’t matter, then I dont know what to tell you.

    Go back to thinking the world is ending.

  121. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    “This may be true, but let’s be real here. We knew there would be injuries, but we never could have guessed the team would be crippled in NY and in AAA quite like it has been. If even half of those guys weren’t hurt, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.”

    Well, it’s a mutli-faceted issue.

    Guys like Jeter and A-Rod, the two most important players on the team for years, both had serious injuries at the end of last season, from which a full recovery was in doubt.

    Both are pushing 40. Despite the fact that an injury or a decline has been foreseeable for several seasons, no mL contingency plan was in place except Nunez, who hasn’t hit much in his mL career, and Cashman publicly dissed him at the start of the season.

    They tried to sign both Ross and Martin at C, despite having said for like 5 years that they were stockpiling mL catchers. The way Cervelli hit in April was unforeseeable based on his mL career, and may have been unsustainable.

    Yeah, it wasn’t foreseeable that Grandy and Tex would go down, but they had 0 mL options.

  122. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Are you both dodging my question?

    How many elite pitchers sit 95 and touch 99?

  123. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    About what? Platoon hitting coaches? I like it!
    ============================
    what about personal pitching coaches?
    they would have to widen the dugouts and bullpens.

  124. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Are you both dodging my question?
    ==================
    They can’t handle the truth.

  125. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    This is getting ridiculous. Pineda was billed as an ace. If he sits 92 he will not be an ace because his secondary pitches and command aren’t good enough. If he sits 95 and touches 97+ he has the potential to be an ace.
    ___

    Technically he was billed as a #2.

    But of course Negative Nancy here wants to make these seem like the worst case scenarios.

  126. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Then why does any team need a hitting coach, if the players are what they are?
    Long’s job is to help them improve.
    And i would argue he has turned our guys who used to hit for average into players who look to hit homeruns to right.

    I don’t know the inner workings of an MLB coaching staff but I think it’s safe to say that hitting coaches have very little effect on most established players. Granderson was a special case, but that is looking like just pure luck after his 2012 season.

    If hitting coaches were critical to how well a team hits why don’t we see more variation when players change teams?

  127. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Go back to thinking the world is ending.
    ==================
    This actually happened around the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
    Look what it has led to.
    A world of partying and immediate gratification…

  128. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    An ace is an unreasonable standard to set. Pineda was NOT the ace of the Mariners in 2011. I may not speak for everyone but my expectation has always been #2 behind CC.

    If you guys think Montero was worth a young cost controlled ace you are hilarious.

  129. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    who is this negative nancy you speak of?

  130. Warning Track Power June 17th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    tbone1570 June 17th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    He’s not afraid to sweat or hard work. That’s a nice rep to have.

    =============================

    And he’ll be very happy to tell us all how hard he works!
    ————————————————————————————————-
    The media constantly recognizes how hard ARod works as a baseball player
    ARod is usually one of the first guys on the team to show up for BP or take early BP or
    extra fielding practice on the field. Hours and hours before the players are supposed to
    report to the field

  131. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Given the treatment of Hughes for ‘only’ being a league average pitcher after being billed as a top of the rotation starter, I’m fairly worried for what this blog will look like a year from now if he isn’t the baby ace he was touted to be.

    Pineda has delivered exactly one half of a major league season of elite pitching. In a pitchers ballpark.

    Put me on Team Tempering Expectations on this one.

  132. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Forgetting Patrick for a second: Why are they ‘considering’ putting Tex on the DL? I feel like we do this same dance every time a player is hurt. We play short for a week and then end up putting the player on the DL anyway. Just put him on the DL NOW and get someone up here, though at this point, Scranton is as depleted as the Yankees.

  133. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    “You are just a guy who wants to see only the negative and then try to whine to everyone that will listen.”

    I don’t think this is fair.

    People aren’t being negative, they’re being realistic.

    Could you imagine someone dissing this team from ’95-’04?

    They would have been laughed at because the objective reality was very positive due to the foundation laid by Stick and Buck, as well as George’s willingness to spend.

    None of that exists now.

  134. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    who is this negative nancy you speak of?
    __

    Patrick.

    The one putting down part time players playing above their heads and the idea that if Pineda cannot be an Ace he must be worthless.

  135. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    About what? Platoon hitting coaches? I like it!
    ============================
    what about personal pitching coaches?
    they would have to widen the dugouts and bullpens.

    ————-

    I’m on board!

  136. Russell Munson June 17th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Please don’t use the word realistic. The Yankees have won one game in a row and it may trigger the return of Obvious Man.

  137. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    You are just a guy who wants to see only the negative and then try to whine to everyone that will listen.

    I am a realist … Nix and Stewart are not that good at hitting, that’s just the truth. Make up all the spin you want, they have not been significant contributors on offense this year.

    Saying that Nix and Stewart have increased their batting average and OBP is like saying someone who weighs 320 pounds just lost 10 pounds. Ok great, that person is still grossly obese, 10 pounds doesn’t make a large difference. Same thing with Stewart and Nix, ok yeah maybe they are hitting for a higher average but it’s really not that significant because they are still not good hitters.

    Stewart and Nix have done their job as best as they could, the problem is that they are being asked to do more than they are capable of. And many people on this blog are arguing that Kevin Long is the reason they aren’t accomplishing those unrealistic goals.

  138. Russell Munson June 17th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    If we are doing platoon hitting coaches, do switch-hitters get two then?

  139. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    If it turns out Cashman turned a triple AAA grade turd with no position into a #2 MLB starter behind CC you Jerkface and Patrick should be licking the ground before him. And I can’t stand Brian Cashman, outside of this trade.

  140. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Start a campaign, recruit other posters, leave me out.
    ===================
    buster was this directed at me?

  141. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Technically he was billed as a #2.

    But of course Negative Nancy here wants to make these seem like the worst case scenarios.

    He was billed as a current 1 or 2 starter and a future ace. Well guess what, the future is now! The Yanks traded their best prospect for this guy in 2011.

    It’s really simple, looking at Pineda’s past success, he was a guy that relied heavily on his fastball. Now that his fastball is diminished it’s not a good bet that he will fulfill that ace potential.

  142. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    If it turns out Cashman turned a triple AAA grade turd with no position into a #2 MLB starter behind CC you Jerkface and Patrick should be licking the ground before him. And I can’t stand Brian Cashman, outside of this trade.
    _

    Just one? Do facts matter?

    They haven’t developed a consistent top of the rotation starter since Pettitte.

  143. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    And I love the way, as Pineda works his way back and his return nears, you shift from “He’s dead” and “He might never pitch again” to “He needs to throw 100 MPH at the beginning of his rehab or he can never be an ace which is what a Triple A turd with no position is worth”

  144. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    People aren’t being negative, they’re being realistic.
    ___

    There is realistic and there is negative.
    Realistic is seeing the positives while acknowledging the frustrations.
    But ripping players who are having much better years than expected and ripping Cashman because Pineda may not get back to 95 and be an ace even though he was never billed as an ace is being negative.

  145. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Pineda’s upside was ACE, regardless of your own personal expectations of where he would slot in behind CC. A guy who throws 95 with a plus slider and very good command has a high ceiling, and scouts/prospect evaluators all gave him a high ceiling. It will be disappointing if he doesn’t get reach that. Just like its disappointing that Joba and Hughes are not #1s like their ceilings were.

    Some people cannot seem to separate accepting reality and being disappointed that a desired outcome didn’t arrive. Which is very funny coming from Bret who lays into Hughes all the time. Pineda will be helpful replacing Hughes as the ‘guy who is never as good as he should have been’ until he is sent to the bullpen to replace Joba as the ‘guy who is doubly never as good as he should have been’. I assume Bret will turn on him in about 3 years.

  146. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Yanks never developed anybody.
    They have always used their assets to acquire what they need.

  147. tbone1570 June 17th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    The media constantly recognizes how hard ARod works as a baseball player
    ARod is usually one of the first guys on the team to show up for BP or take early BP or
    extra fielding practice on the field. Hours and hours before the players are supposed to
    report to the field

    =======================================

    WTP, I’m not saying any of that bis untrue. A-Rod does have a well deserved rep as one of the hardest working guys in the majors. I’m saying that A-Rod also loves to point out that he works harder then anyone. There are lots of guys who work hard at their craft with out talking about how much work they do. A-Rod isn’t one of them, he like to make it know.

    As a matter of fact I think that his burning desire to improve is how he keeps ending up in hot water (pharmacologically speaking).

  148. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    I’m really happy with Nix and Stewie lately but you can’t honestly expect this to continue. Didn’t we already learn this lesson from Wells and Youk, two players that have always had way more talent than either of the former?

  149. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    No mick it was not directed at you. Use of the word “recruit” was coincidental. I saw your exchange with Stuckey or Pruf or whoever that guy is.

  150. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    They haven’t developed a consistent top of the rotation starter since Pettitte.
    ___

    Techncally they developed Ian Kennedy and he is the ace in Arizona.

  151. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    HOW MANY MLB ELITE STARTERS SIT 95 AND TOUCH 99?

  152. bruceb June 17th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    I vote G. Love for next Yankees GM…and everyone else here who so correctly predicted the not-so-triumphant return of Tex. What’s next? My guess is he goes on the 15-day DL, returns to play a handful of games and then books in at his local hospital for surgery.

    As for Youkilis, anyone care to hazard a guess on the over and under for games he plays for the Yankees? The total currently stands at 28. I’ll go for an optimistic 58. What a waste of $12 million.

  153. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    I saw your exchange with Stuckey or Pruf or whoever that guy is.
    ==================
    I need your input.

  154. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    “There is realistic and there is negative.
    Realistic is seeing the positives while acknowledging the frustrations.
    But ripping players who are having much better years than expected and ripping Cashman because Pineda may not get back to 95 and be an ace even though he was never billed as an ace is being negative.”

    That a short sample size of a journeyman 30 year old like Nix is playing above his career norm is viewed as positive is a thin reed. It’s a nothing burger to me because it doesn’t reveal any useful information about what he will be going forward.

    The reason to diss Cashman is that during his tenure they have developed one high end position player, Cano, and no high end starter. That’s unacceptable.

  155. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    I vote G. Love for next Yankees GM…and everyone else here
    ==================
    platooning or multi GM’s?
    I like it…

  156. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Patrick, coaches and mgr.s in every sport are not wizards.

    They are however necessary because younger players will respond to suggestions.

    The problem on the Yankees is they’re too old and set in their ways , and of course ridiculously overpaid!

    We have enough people who are unemployed.

  157. Warning Track Power June 17th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    i welcome the reports on Pineda to date.
    sitting at 92 right now is just fine with me. i’m sure with more rehab starts the MPH could
    increase every so slightly.

  158. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    “Techncally they developed Ian Kennedy and he is the ace in Arizona.”

    No, they drafted him. His development took place somewhere else.

  159. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    HOW MANY MLB ELITE STARTERS SIT 95 AND TOUCH 99?

    2? 3? The Yankees won’t have one, sadly. How many elite pitchers have only 2 pitches? How many have a sub 40% GB rate? How many have a >1 HR/9?

  160. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    The reason to diss Cashman is that during his tenure they have developed one high end position player, Cano, and no high end starter. That’s unacceptable.
    ========================
    Was it ok during the “dynasty” years when they won 4 of 5.

  161. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Hey Chad,

    Personally, I would’ve titled this post, “Nero Fiddles While Rome Burns”

  162. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Mick,

    Trisha suspects comnsnse is Pruf. My theory is he can’t help himself from raving about the next Zoilo Almonte…literally he can’t go a minute without wasting time talking up some insignificant prospect. Comnsnse also seems more stable.

  163. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Is Rome burning yet?

  164. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    “Was it ok during the “dynasty” years when they won 4 of 5.”

    That was because of what Stick did, not Cashman.

  165. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    HOW MANY MLB ELITE STARTERS SIT 95 AND TOUCH 99?

    Verlander, Price, now Harvey.

    The question you should be asking is, how many elite starters sit 92 with plus slider and nothing else?

    The answer is zero

  166. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Trisha suspects comnsnse is Pruf.
    ====================
    I doubt pruf is as creative as Comn. You know he tends to repeat himself, posada and all that…

  167. Warning Track Power June 17th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Too many cynics around here.
    Is there nothing without this complaining?

  168. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Yanks have never depended on minor leaguers.
    if they did they woudn’t have been the yanks.

  169. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    What’s The Problem.

  170. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    bruceb,

    Thanks for the plug.

    Here’s my Youk prediction. We’ll see him again when rosters expand in September.

    As for Tex, I predict we being winning again this week, he forces himself back into the lineup and we immediately lose 5 out of 7, the offense sputters and he gets 2 hits in those 7 games (1 of which will be a HR) and his average will plummet to .100 when he feels “stiffness” in his wrist again.

    After that, it’ll be the last we see of him this season.

    Next season though, he’ll be in the best shape of his life spouting platitudes about 30/100 (which he’ll not have done for 2 years) and not worrying about his average since he’s just here to thump.

  171. mick June 17th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    As for Tex, I predict we being winning again this week, he forces himself back into the lineup and we immediately lose 5 out of 7, the offense sputters and he gets 2 hits in those 7 games (1 of which will be a HR) and his average will plummet to .100 when he feels “stiffness” in his wrist again.
    =============
    deja vu all over again, but you have also put me on your Do-Not-Talk-To List…

  172. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Jerkface,

    So your expectation is that Pineda pitches like an ace among an elite class of power pitchers made up of exactly 3 pitchers? Who are the 2-3 other pitchers BTW who sit 95 and touch 99?

    Project much? You have a feeling I’m going to turn on Pineda when you’re the one who expected him to be an ace included in an exclusive group of elite power pitchers only to turn on him at the beginning of a rehab assignment and written him off.

    My expectation from the beginning was #2 behind CC.

    If he turns out to be anything less, in your dreams I will turn on him like I’ve turned on Hughes. Just to punish Hughes huggers I will demand a 4 year 52 million extension for him.

  173. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    No one is more cynical than Cashman:

    “I’ve had a lot of people say, you’ve got to get 500 at-bats for this guy, find a position for him as if he’s some sort of offensive juggernaut.”

    Cashman pointed out that Nunez had just a .678 on-base-plus-slugging percentage as a minor leaguer.

    “That’s not a great offensive player,” Cashman said.

    _

    I know a lot of people have told me they think home runs are bad,” Cashman said

  174. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    I know a lot of people have told me they think home runs are bad,” Cashman said
    =================
    depends on your definition of “a lot.”

  175. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    mick,

    Rome’s not burning, but the temperature certainly got turned up last week, no?

  176. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    The reason to diss Cashman is that during his tenure they have developed one high end position player, Cano, and no high end starter. That’s unacceptable.
    __

    I am fine with the Cashman bashing.

    I was referring to some of the players they were picking on in particular.
    There are so many to bash yet he chose the ones playing better than ever.

  177. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    nearly 200 posts on a monday afternoon….my job is done here.

  178. bruceb June 17th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Interesting that Francesa rates the Yankees’ chances of reaching the play-offs this year at 50% (compared to the 95% that they normally are). I know you’re never as bad as when you’re losing, or as good as when you’re winning, but given the latest injury news, no way would I take an even money bet on the Yanks playing baseball in October.

  179. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Richard, right oin time with another pretentious post.

    First if 30 is old then Cano is also old! Do we not all know that Nix is a career bench player?

    Next, where is noted beyond what he is doing to suggest he is a permanent solution?

    As for your gratuitous comment that “it doesn’t reveal any useful info about him going forward”, Are you suggesting that anyone expects him to be the Yankee 3b of the future?

    Your final paragraph about both Cashman’s tenure and the system’s inadequacies inferred is the most “useful” , factual and revealing in your post.

  180. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    People that have multiple handles and will not freely admit their identity are cowards. Afraid to express their opinions and own them. I highly doubt Pruf is one of them. No matter your opinion of his posts I’ve never seen him run from a fight.

    Bret finally admitted he was Bret. He was forced to but he eventually came around to owning it. All multiples should own it.

  181. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Who are the 2-3 other pitchers BTW who sit 95 and touch 99?

    I already named them – Verlander, Price and Harvey. Although maybe too early to say that Harvey is an elite pitcher, but he certainly looks like one.

    Go back to this very blog when the Yankees traded for Pineda. A large percentage of the people on here were talking up Pineda as a future ace. It was the main reasoning given for why the Yanks were willing to give up Montero. I’m sure I could find quotes of Cashman talking about Pineda as a future ace.

  182. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    You have a feeling I’m going to turn on Pineda

    I know you will, because it is in your nature. I did not expect Pineda to become an ace, but it was his best case scenario. One which you’re now denying because its unreachable, rather than accepting his injury is what is lowering the ceiling.

  183. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    And re: Cashman, i find some of his comments ridiculous.
    How do you go out and openly bash your players like he does.
    He has done it several times to Nunez, but he spreads the wealth.
    Way to value your players to other teams, moron.

  184. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    And comnsense isn’t Pruf despite Nancy Drew’s well researched theories. They don’t write the same way. Pruf is Pruf. He took a blog sabbatical and came back. He was hardly wounded when Montero went to AAA and everyone jumped on him.

  185. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Rome’s not burning, but the temperature certainly got turned up last week, no?
    =======================
    yankee drama i.e temperature is measured in Sun terms, son.

  186. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Wait a second Patrick, so you’re mad we didn’t trade a triple A turd with no position for Verlander, Price or Harvey?

    :lol:

    Pineda is sitting 92 and touching 95 at the beginning of a rehab assignment. I think your campaign to fear monger is weak sauce. You and Jerkface and others used to spread this negative crap about Pineda being dead and his arm having fallen off and you fear mongered about him never pitching again. Now we’re supposed to all be disappointed he will never be Verlander or Price.

    BOO HOO

  187. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    He was hardly wounded when Montero went to AAA and everyone jumped on him.
    =================
    new theory: you are prud, mean pruf….or at least his prufreader.

  188. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “I am fine with the Cashman bashing.”

    To me, bashing means criticizing someone in a way they don’t deserve. That’s not what this is. Cashman’s record as GM is spotty at best.

    “I was referring to some of the players they were picking on in particular.
    There are so many to bash yet he chose the ones playing better than ever.”

    I just don’t think Nix is anything to be too excited about. If you do, ok.

  189. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    all this sitting and touching, is this a baseball blog?

  190. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Its not good when your baseball opinions are formulated to simply be in opposition to people you dislike, Bret.

  191. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    all this sitting and touching, is this a baseball blog?

    Baseball is a sexual sport. Cone hates when relievers get jerked off in the pen.

  192. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Listen, if Pineda just turns out to be nothing more than a league average pitcher with all the ups and downs that come with it I’ll be happy. Considering his shoulder like, fell off, why wouldn’t I be?

    But to pretend that there should be a disconnect between expectations and results for some players and not others is a little ridiculous, and that’s what goes on here a lot. Guys like Gardner that never had any lofty expectations are grilled for not being what people want him to be – even though there was no fan fair surrounding him as a player. And guys like Hughes that did come with high expectations are killed for being just average. Expectations have to be a factor on some level.

  193. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Baseball is a sexual sport. Cone hates when relievers get jerked off in the pen.
    ============
    good one

  194. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Shame that’s hilarious because Pruf admits to having one other handle. And his original handle was not banned. He just opened up a second one for the hell of it. And he said that he was consistent in his opinions from handle to handle. Being the same person, that shouldn’t be something worthy of a pat on the back, ya know?

  195. Against All Odds June 17th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    An ace is an unreasonable standard to set.

    ——————–

    For this yr and even next I agree but he eventually has to become an ace.

  196. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    “Listen, if Pineda just turns out to be nothing more than a league average pitcher with all the ups and downs that come with it I’ll be happy. Considering his shoulder like, fell off, why wouldn’t I be?”

    They’d put him in the pen. His stuff would play up better if it’s diminished.

  197. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Shame that’s hilarious because Pruf admits to having one other handle. And his original handle was not banned. He just opened up a second one for the hell of it. And he said that he was consistent in his opinions from handle to handle. Being the same person, that shouldn’t be something worthy of a pat on the back, ya know?

    ——————-

    He was always forthcoming about his second handle… unlike some people that had Chad tattling on them. :D

    As far as I know he’s never posted under both handles at once.. just retired one and moved on to a new one, with full disclosure of his prior identity. If I’m wrong I’ll stand corrected but I don’t see why he’d bother with another one.

  198. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Find one post of me saying Pineda will never pitch again. You can’t because I never said that, so good job I guess making stuff up.

    I’m disappointed, but not surprised, that Pineda will likely never be an ace. I think what Jerkface said sounds pretty likely: ” Pineda will be helpful replacing Hughes as the ‘guy who is never as good as he should have been’ until he is sent to the bullpen to replace Joba as the ‘guy who is doubly never as good as he should have been’ ”

    Everyone that was in favor of the Montero trade billed Pineda as a future ace of the Yankees. All wrong ….

  199. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    And comnsense isn’t Pruf despite Nancy Drew’s well researched theories. They don’t write the same way.
    ==============
    wouldn’t it be stupid to write the same way if you are trying not to be that person?

  200. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Changing internet handles is fine, its when its done maliciously to circumvent bannings or to troll where it becomes a problem. Pruf/bodhisattva left for a long time and came back with a new name. No big deal there. It wasn’t designed to fool anyone or trick people or troll everyone. LGY used to be lets go twins before he settled on Lets Go Yankees/LGY. Trisha has changed handles multiple times (but always included trisha in there, but changed her little tags).

    Its an issue when people like WCYF and C R 9 that are toxic personalities do it, because they are simply trying to disrupt conversation.

  201. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Its an issue when people like WCYF and C R 9 that are toxic personalities do it,
    ==================
    many here are toxic in their own way.

  202. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Changing internet handles is fine, its when its done maliciously to circumvent bannings or to troll where it becomes a problem. Pruf/bodhisattva left for a long time and came back with a new name. No big deal there. It wasn’t designed to fool anyone or trick people or troll everyone. LGY used to be lets go twins before he settled on Lets Go Yankees/LGY. Trisha has changed handles multiple times (but always included trisha in there, but changed her little tags).

    Its an issue when people like WCYF and C R 9 that are toxic personalities do it, because they are simply trying to disrupt conversation.

    ————–

    Word.

    Patrick – Well said, especially the bit about how it relates to Hughes.

  203. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    shame shouldn’t you have left “work” by now?

  204. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    This is how I read between the lines of this press conference.

    -Team had an all time bad road trip offensively.

    -Youk & Tex both got re-injured making Yankee decisions makers looks foolish.

    -Long stuck his foot in his mouth again.

    -Ticket sales are probably looking soft for week ahead and Yankees want fans to think they’re out there trying to fix this mess and they want to control the Yankees news cycle on the off day so columnists don’t get creative.

    Damage control.

  205. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    If I hadn’t been falsely smeared constantly after my handle was banned I would have gladly rejoined the conversation as Bret.

    Now I’m keeping this handle. Because “Bret” is a wife beater dontcha know.

  206. BD (Boston Dave) June 17th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    “Yankees signed 1B Randy Ruiz to a minor league contract.

    Ruiz, 35, was batting .370 with six homers and a 1.020 OPS in 37 games this season while playing in the Mexican League.”

  207. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    G. Love,

    What are the chances Long is fired?

  208. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    “If I hadn’t been falsely smeared constantly after my handle was banned I would have gladly rejoined the conversation as Bret.”

    How did changing your user name make a difference? Everyone knows who you are.

  209. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Bret,

    I really don’t know or have a guess about Long. I don’t think they fire people anymore. I think Hal doesn’t want to pay people not to work.

    He’ll get to finish out his contract is my guess. Especially, if there’s a sliver of a chance Arod returns as those two appear to have some symbiotic relationship.

  210. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Too much “handling” going on! It’s not important in the larger scheme of things who you say you are.

    What is important is what you have to say, “a rose by any other name”?

    I will offer this comment as an illustration.

    Please notice how blog “nativists” react to relatively new posters as if their acceptance is predicated on the approval of some assumed blog “illuminati”!

    Which of course makes “bubble pricking” an art form! ;)

  211. BD (Boston Dave) June 17th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    “Pruf is Pruf. He took a blog sabbatical and came back. He was hardly wounded when Montero went to AAA and everyone jumped on him.”

    —–

    he should be. he made one of the most ridiculous comments in blog history calling Montero a young Albert Pujols and confirming that it was no exaggeration.

  212. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    For a small time I got to rejoin and enjoy conversation about baseball independent of smearing. And now that I’ve openly told Chad on this message board my rationale for the joke, I don’t care what handle I’m using. If I want to right now, I can post as Bret The Hitman.

  213. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    G. Love,

    Do you remember reading the piece in Sports Illustrated back in like 2005 or 2006 about Arod not fitting in with his teammates and Giambi was quoted in there. There was one passage where I think Arod’s only friend was said to be some kind of coach. I don’t know if that was Long or someone else, Robby Thompson?

  214. Chip June 17th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Is replacing Kevin Long really going to make bad hitters into good hitters? There isn’t a hitting coach on the planet that will make Brignac, Stewart, Nix, Romine, etc into good hitters
    ———————–

    Replacing Kevin Long only helps the team if Kevin Long is truly the architect of the team’s current philosophy at the plate (ie swing for the fences and hope like hell you make contact). If that’s an organization philosophy that Long is simply trying to put into practice through his instruction, then who ever replaces Long isn’t going to change anything in the way hitters are approaching their at bats. Given that the Yankees, as an organization, have seemed quite pleased with Long over the last couple of years, I would assume this is the case.

  215. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Who is Bret, any relation to Roger Rabbit?

    Let’s start a “Save K-Long ” petition, now he knows how Thomas More felt! ;)

  216. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Smearing implies you did nothing wrong. Which we know is not the case.

  217. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Buster, that last post is indicative of the dreaded sardine syndrome which does tend to set you off on another journey to weirdland!

    Gargle with some carrot juice! ;)

  218. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Smearing is what you did to my name Jerkface and you went overboard. And I explained to you 1000X the entire context of that whole joke. But you kept persisting and you made it personal and then you needed Chad Jennings to put me on record. I went on record on the blog with Chad Jennings. You attempted continuously to portray me as a dangerous, violent, criminal. Now you mention “circumventing banning” and “malicious” in the same sentence.

    Again, if I want to post as Bret The Hitman, I can, but I won’t.

  219. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Can anyone link me to this awesome drama or at least give me a rough date ?

  220. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    “Again, if I want to post as Bret The Hitman, I can, but I won’t.”

    But you are, in effect.

  221. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    BD, Montero compared with a young Albert was a very common theme on most Yankee blogs.

    As a matter of fact no less an authority than moi also suggested the same! ;)

  222. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Again, find me a quote that says, ‘Pineda will be the future ace’. I think most believed he would fit where he did in Seattle, as the #2 behind the true ace of the team. I agree with you that i am disappointed to hear the velo isnt back but I am going to hold off on the judgment until i see 1. whether it returns and 2. Can he pitch at 93 and not 95?

  223. ac1 June 17th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    I just don’t think Nix is anything to be too excited about. If you do, ok.
    ____

    Again I NEVER SAID EXCITED. I said surpassed expectations, which were beyond low. I dont think it is a stretch to say you should be happy with what we have gotten from him this year (particularly the last month), considering what his track record is. Same with Stewart. These guys were supposed to be the back ups. I am way more disappointed in the ‘stars’.

  224. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Ah Ha! Buster is Bret, AKA Sardine Man, resourceful conqueror of the wilderness and inveterate blog seer?

    I like Buster’s posts, he like all of us( well maybe an exception or two) has the First Amendment right to be foolish occasionally! ;)

  225. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    You attempted continuously to portray me as a dangerous, violent, criminal.

    -

    ??? I need some proof of this, all my posts will be there because they weren’t deleted (unlike yours). You are consistently crazypants, but not a dangerous criminal like C R 9.

    I did say you made a sexist joke, which was true, and uncalled for. And you could have been unbanned at any time if you simply apologized, but you never did. Then you circumvented the ban, had a conversation with yourself, and only came out into the open when Chad scooby doo’d you and you had no choice. And then he said as long as you kept things on the level you could stay (which is an aok policy for anywhere).

  226. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Wasn’t Montero the next Ruth, the generational hitter?
    Or was that Posada?

  227. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    BD,

    I’m usually really slow to embrace a prospect and their hype, but even when I saw Montero hitting in Yankee Stadium that September I thought he would be a Miggy Cabrera/Frank Thomas/Pujols type.

    The fact that he didn’t hit in Seattle is kind of shocking to me. It either says he’s way too emotional to handle getting dealt from the Yankees or there were issues with his hitting tool that didn’t show themselves while he was a Yankee.

    I still recall seeing him go down after a low/outside breaking pitch and driving it like a laser to RF.

    That said, I don’t want to re-start the debate. I just want to say after seeing the kid hit in the stadium, I bought into the hype.

  228. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    No jerkface you implied that I made a physically threatening statement in response to Yankeesfeminista.

  229. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Again I NEVER SAID EXCITED. I said surpassed expectations, which were beyond low. I dont think it is a stretch to say you should be happy with what we have gotten from him this year (particularly the last month), considering what his track record is. Same with Stewart. These guys were supposed to be the back ups. I am way more disappointed in the ‘stars’.
    _

    OK, the difference in how we view things apparently is that I want to see development. I don’t want to watch Nix and Stew taking ABs from Adams, Musty, or Romine, because we know what Nix and Stew are, and it isn’t good. So I don’t want them playing much. But they are.

  230. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    he should be. he made one of the most ridiculous comments in blog history calling Montero a young Albert Pujols and confirming that it was no exaggeration.
    =======================
    you are not fooled either. the guy incites ppl here all the time and he does it without mentioning names, he’s clever that way, some would call it cowardly. he has followers too. no coincidence most of them disappear and reappear together. quite the high school mentality but they do use big words and show off culinary knowledge to impress.

  231. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Jerkface,

    In your opinion I’m crazypants but that’s because you’re dull. For people who understand my sense of humor, I’m hilarious.

  232. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    quite the high school mentality but they do use big words and show off culinary knowledge to impress.
    =========
    except for tar…

  233. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    mick,

    Did someone short sheet your bed last night?

    You’re very fired up for a non-game day.

  234. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    No Rich, I’m asking to be called Buster. People still call me Bret but this handle is all about Buster.

    -Buster

  235. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    there will be dissertations forthcoming from the band that can’t shoot straight…

  236. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    G Love- Just killing time.

  237. BD (Boston Dave) June 17th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    “BD, Montero compared with a young Albert was a very common theme on most Yankee blogs.”

    —–

    well, it’s a common mistake among fans I guess. Some people called Harold Miner “Baby Jordan” too….

    go through any draft and look at what the “experts” say about any player as they try to compare them to current MLB players and then count how many of them made it.

    Montero looked like he was going to be a very good hitter, potentially an all-star hitter, and still may be – but comparing an unknown to one of the top 10 hitters this game has ever seen is not wise.

    Is Yasel Puig a young Babe Ruth?

  238. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    In your opinion I’m crazypants but that’s because you’re dull. For people who understand my sense of humor, I’m hilarious.

    I’m sure they say stuff like ‘You’re so random!’ or “I really like how you use sexism and racism to make jokes!”

  239. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    mick – gotcha

  240. Captain Clutch June 17th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    “I’m always open for business whether they’re incremental upgrades or significant ones,” he said.
    —————–

    Oh great. That means the Yanks getting robbed in a trade…the usual.

    Like Carlos Marmol for Sanchez and Austin. I would rather Cashman not do anything instead of trying to pull off something major and getting screwed.

  241. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    g love- I have never gone after you have I?
    I know you side with that crew but respect your opinion as I know you do mine.

  242. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    No jerkface you implied that I made a physically threatening statement in response to Yankeesfeminista.

    You did. That doesn’t mean I called you a violent, crazy, criminal. That you can’t see how making a joke about shutting up a woman with violence *while in the middle of an argument with a woman* is in poor taste is really sad. Of course its because ‘no one gets you’ and ‘you’re too funny for this crowd’.

    You’re like the mad tv of blog comedians here.

  243. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Don’t count Montero out yet, he’s only 23.

  244. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Jerkface,

    Again the joke in context mocks “culture” and southerners laugh it it because SOOOOOOOME people can laugh at themselves because they don’t take themselves so seriously, but these people have something we human upright walkers like to call personality.

  245. BD (Boston Dave) June 17th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    “That said, I don’t want to re-start the debate. I just want to say after seeing the kid hit in the stadium, I bought into the hype.”

    —–

    agreed. Mark Melancon was gonna replace Mariano too :)

    hope the Montero situation can help fans tempter expectations in the future. It’s cool to be excited of course…

  246. BD (Boston Dave) June 17th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    temper*

  247. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Montero looked like he was going to be a very good hitter, potentially an all-star hitter, and still may be – but comparing an unknown to one of the top 10 hitters this game has ever seen is not wise.
    ===============
    BD-It is the so called knowledge they display re: seeing these guys in person.
    This knowledge should be applied for the greater good of the team as perhaps a scout .
    Then again, they were so wrong about Montero maybe they should not.

  248. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Jerkface,

    You used “malicious” in the same sentence with “circumvent bannings”. Did you make an association unintentionally?

    You’re just a bored attorney.

  249. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Let’s not dismiss the bias toward any youngster that comes up thru the system, many of which they have “seen.”

  250. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    You’re just a bored attorney.
    ================
    Is JF old enough to be an atty?

  251. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    You’re like the mad tv of blog comedians here.
    ==================
    Top 5?

  252. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    No Mick he just obsesses over the Collective Bargaining Agreement in preparation for the bar exam.

  253. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    mick – We’re cool. Always have been. No worries.

    And I really don’t feel like I side with anyone. I like pretty much everyone on here with a few exceptions otherwise I’d leave.

    Pruf and I have disagreed about lots of things at times, but there’s a mutual respect there because we’re both serious Yankee fans who honestly talk baseball and not butterflies. Sometimes it takes going 12 rounds with someone to see where they’re coming from and understand/respect them.

    And sometimes, it’s just not worth putting on the gloves.

  254. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Again the joke in context mocks “culture”

    In this context you are arguing with a woman and then you made a joke about beating women. That is the actual context. Your use of it does not make fun of southern culture. That would be like saying a racist joke in an attempt to make fun of racists.

    As for circumvention of bannings, you did do that, but I left you out of my comparisons to WCYF and C R 9. I think if people want to come and be normal on here and talk baseball its ok. In a 100% literal interpretation of BLOG LAW, you messed up. You got banned, didn’t own up, and then had a conversation with yourself because ‘you’re sooo oppressed’ or whatever whine you made when called on it. Bad form. Shoulda just apologized to YF and moved on.

  255. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Lawyered.

  256. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Simply put.

    She called me an idiot or stupid or insulted my intelligence.

    I said something to piss her off, which it did because she cried to Chad.

    The joke told by a Blue Collar TV comedian who is southern mocks the stereotype of southern males being wife beaters. The first line of the joke is what do you tell a Southern Belle with two black eyes.

    A SOUTHERN BELLE

    Is Yankeesfeminista a southern belle or was that my understanding of her when I tried to piss her off?

  257. Patrick June 17th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Please talk more about how totally hilarious beating women is, it worked out so well for you the first time.

  258. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    And sometimes, it’s just not worth putting on the gloves.
    =========================
    I think if you put them on with trish , there would be an understanding.

  259. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Bret,

    Why re-hash this again?

    It seemed like everyone was moving on from it. Let it go man.

  260. Nick in SF June 17th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Can we all agree that this thread probably won’t be nominated for the LoHud Hall of Fame?

  261. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    You have smeared my character because that’s what bored attorneys do when proven wrong on message boards…in this case the topic being Phil Hughes and the FACT he is a back end starter. You like to strut around saying you’re never wrong Mr. Serious and you never lost a debate. That’s what makes you too serious and boring unless you just said that to be weakly humorous and exciting.

  262. mick June 17th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Can we all agree that this thread probably won’t be nominated for the LoHud Hall of Fame?
    ========
    Why not?

  263. G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    I nominate Nick for the Lohud Hall of Shame after the Yankees performance in Oakland.

  264. Against All Odds June 17th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
    You have smeared my character

    ———————

    How? When you’re the one making jokes about beating women.

  265. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    You need to ascend from your body, inhabit someone elses, and then read what you just wrote because look at yourself.

    The punch line of the joke is about beating the woman, not about mocking southern culture. Its said by a blue collar TV comedian, who are like some of the worst racist/misogynistic comedians in the business, and now you’ve revealed your context was actually ‘just trying to piss off a woman’.

    Very good, Bret.

  266. mick June 17th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    I missed that joke by a minute. I just turned my head and it was gone.
    Can it be repeated or paraphrased without another banning?

  267. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    I think we can conclude that Bret’s diet does not enhance his cognitive functions.

  268. mick June 17th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Wow! 266 posts on a crummy monday afternoon…I know I will get blamed for it.

  269. mick June 17th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    I think we can conclude that Bret’s diet does not enhance his cognitive functions.
    ====================
    Can you put that in “joke” form?

  270. Nick in SF June 17th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Not only that, G. Love, but I also crossed the Bold Yankee Fans Rooting For Implosion (as seen on twitter) picket line and helped perpetuate this mess. Crap.

  271. mick June 17th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    I think if you put them on with trish , there would be an understanding.
    ===========================
    But it might take the edge off some of your material.

  272. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    The beating of the woman is not what makes the joke funny it’s the thought that all southern males do that, which is untrue which should be obvious for anyone with a sense of humor.

    I’m not going to feel any different because I’ve witnessed the effects of the joke in the South. I live in the South. I’ve seen Southern women laugh at the joke.

  273. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    And I have a feeling your diet doesn’t help with your IBS jerkface. It’s not beans. It’s not mexican food or spices. It’s IBS.

  274. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    The beating of the woman is not what makes the joke funny it’s the thought that all southern males do that, which is untrue which should be obvious for anyone with a sense of humor.

    The south is the leading region in domestic violence, they are the #1 producer of it in the US. The Joke then makes light of beating a woman to shut her up. Its not a good joke. Nor does it make fun of the south. What its actually doing is trivializing domestic violence.

  275. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    The beating of the woman is not what makes the joke funny it’s the thought that all southern males do that, which is untrue which should be obvious for anyone with a sense of humor.

    Do you think jokes based on stereotype are:

    A. lampooning the stereotypes as obviously untrue
    B. reinforcing those stereotypes as true

    Because you seem to think its A, when all science and research knows its B. You know that all muslim people aren’t terrorists right, but those same blue collar comedy comedians will make a joke about that and let me tell you the audience is not laughing because of how untrue it is.

  276. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    What its actually doing is trivializing domestic violence.

    __________

    I’m sure everyone who leaves the show after that joke goes back and thinks domestic violence is OK, providing they have no sense of humor of course.

  277. Jesus Bustero June 17th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Oh so now there’s a “science and research” that proves the social effects of jokes about stereotypes?

    That sounds like a feasible research design with results that are reliable and valid.

  278. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    I’m sure everyone who leaves the show after that joke goes back and thinks domestic violence is OK, providing they have no sense of humor of course.

    1 joke doesn’t do it. But a life time of jokes? A culture where its ok to joke about beating kids or women or men to shut them up? When bad things are common place in your dialogues and media it becomes the norm. That is how you get high school students who think its ok to force someone to have sex or use violence to solve a problem.

  279. Tyler June 17th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    So currently I’m thinking up defensive shifts for the slow pitch softball league playoffs I’m in this weekend. I feel like a young Joe Maddon.

  280. tomingeorgia June 17th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Jeez, the last few hours of this have been a total waste of bandwidth. No news, no useful conversation. Seems to me, making moral judgments on posters for whatever reason means people are just bored. There’s a game tomorrow, and maybe a few roster changes, too. Let’s talk then.

  281. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    So currently I’m thinking up defensive shifts for the slow pitch softball league playoffs I’m in this weekend. I feel like a young Joe Maddon.

    Slow pitch? Just put everyone on the hitters pull side.

  282. Tyler June 17th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Slow pitch? Just put everyone on the hitters pull side.
    ——————————————————————————–

    Yeah seems easy right? Well we’ve burned burned for about 5 opposite field homeruns including 2 grand slams in the 7 games we’ve played. I have no idea what to do.

  283. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Yeah seems easy right? Well we’ve burned burned for about 5 opposite field homeruns including 2 grand slams in the 7 games we’ve played. I have no idea what to do.

    Put everyone on the hitters pull side, then put 1 guy at first, and 1 guy at the wall in the opposite field OF. Almost everyone wants to pull the hell out of the ball in slow pitch, so you can’t play them straight up. Better to make them go the other way, they may pop up.

  284. cogen777 June 17th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Keep reading or hearing that somehow Stewart and Nix are really “lighting it up for June.”

    Quick past 14 day OPS: Stewart .698 Nix .661. Nope.

  285. austinmac June 17th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    The story on Pineda is very simple. The harder he throws the better chance at success he will have. Can he pitch well at 92-95? Maybe. Can he regain velocity? Maybe.

    Anyone who claims to know the answers to these questions, doesn’t.

  286. Tyler June 17th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Put everyone on the hitters pull side, then put 1 guy at first, and 1 guy at the wall in the opposite field OF. Almost everyone wants to pull the hell out of the ball in slow pitch, so you can’t play them straight up. Better to make them go the other way, they may pop up.
    ——————————————————————————————-

    This is pretty much what I’ve been thinking. We get a 4 person outfield also. It is a coed league so I don’t think the pull factor is as great as a bunch of dudes wanting to show off though.

  287. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Im surprised you can shift. Our league didnt allow it.

  288. Nick in SF June 17th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Brestero, I think I am currently more sympathetic to your explanation than most, having witnessed and participated in the incident on that fateful night. That said, I don’t think you’re really helping your case right now and you’re probably hurting it.

    I remember the context quite well and I think what you said was a mistake. I didn’t think there was any malice behind your intent, but you have to be mindful of your audience and the room in which you’re conversing.

    yankeefeminista trash-talked you and you returned the favor, but what you said — the first remark, before you repeated the joke — would only be appropriate to make to someone with whom you had a certain level of familiarity and not at all in the context of this forum. The same and more so goes for repeating the joke you posted.

    It’s never too late to apologize, but barring that, I would advise just letting it go.

  289. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Brestero sounds like the name of mammary-obsessed magician.

  290. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Tommy enough with the pious platitudes, why must everything here take on the aura of a meeting of the Atomic Energy commission?

    Insert a little humor and do hear the music of life, every minute need not be wasted on baseball minutiae.

    I think this is a very funny blog with good posts re: baseball
    /Yankee analysis.

    I also believe that some of you act like your delivering the next ten tablets, so lighten up have a little fun on a slow day .

    Now can someone say something nice about a certain poster who truly illuminates this pedestrian blog? ;)

  291. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Now Richard, that’s getting into the spirit! Applause!

  292. mick June 17th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    I also believe that some of you act like your delivering the next ten tablets, so lighten up have a little fun on a slow day .
    =================
    You aint heard nuthin yet….wait for the rebuttals.

  293. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Cogen, why the 777, why not just “Cogent”?

    Are you a blackjack aficionado?

  294. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Mick lad, that was Jolson’s famous remark to his audiences.

    As for re butt als we’ll have no of that on a family blog! ;)

  295. theREALkevin June 17th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    “If you guys think Montero was worth a young cost controlled ace you are hilarious.”

    If it turns out Cashman turned a triple AAA grade turd with no position into a #2 MLB starter behind CC you Jerkface and Patrick should be licking the ground before him. And I can’t stand Brian Cashman, outside of this trade.”

    You’re talking like the trade was made AFTER Montero had terrible struggles at the big league level. It wasn’t. It was made after he for the most part dominated the minor leagues and then had a very successful call up in the majors. You’re acting like it was completely obvious, even after a call up in which he hit 328 .406 .590 and hit oppo bombs, that he was going to struggle mightily to the point of getting demoted back to AAA. It wasn’t obvious. Not even close.

    Also, it doesn’t matter what we think Montero was worth back then. It mattered what other GM’s thought, and apparently at least one GM thought he was worth a decent amount.

  296. Pat M. June 17th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Just been informed that our stickball team has officially made the cut to the semifinals set for Saturday September 26th with the championship the following day . I still believe that Michael Pineda is going to be a beast in the Yanks rotation. The guy throws a very heavy fastball. Phillip Hughes being asked about or at least that what’s been mentioned and with the breakout season that David Phelps has enjoyed it’s possible.

  297. Carlo June 17th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Remind me who we traded for Pineda?

  298. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Hector Noesi.

  299. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Anyone seen the movie “Parker” starring Jason Straithern(spelling?) based on the Richard Stark novels?

    Notice how many former stars of big movie productions have had to shift to stuff primarily for WW release? Pitt, DeNiro, Gere etc. which if they appear in a theatre last about two weeks to legitimize them?

    Actually done pretty well not with standing the gratuitous violence but just like the Bond movies lately, all problems solved with violence as opposed to wit and duplicity!

    Two of my favorite themes! ;)

  300. Carlo June 17th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Yanks would be in much better shape had they traded Hughes at his peak value, like they did that Monter hype job.

  301. Carlo June 17th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Right – noesi, I liked that kid. He had promise.

  302. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Carlo, ici jackal?

  303. Carlo June 17th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    What does ici jackal mean?

  304. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    “Yanks would be in much better shape had they traded Hughes at his peak value, like they did that Monter hype job.”

    You could say that about virtually every prospect that they have drafted or signed for the last 10+ years.

  305. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    I left out Russell Crowe in Broken City, quite a comedown from his brilliant acting in his AA movies and others!

    Wake up out there another art form might be a relief from this dismal season!

  306. Carlo June 17th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Rich – yes, you are correct.

    Generation Trey is probably a bigger flop than the mets crop with pulsipher et all.

  307. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Carlos, it’s actually from the Movie “The Jackal”, who was one of the world’s most successful assassins in real life.

    Correctly it would be “Ici jackal” when a co conspirator answered the phone for the jackal’s check in meaning here or in this case “you are here”. It can also mean “hello”, remember the phone call?

    I believe I’ve over explained and if your not a movie buff read the book by Frederick Forrest.

    I don’t think he was a baseball fan! ;)

  308. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Carlos, it was actually “Day of the Jackal”>

  309. Giuseppe Franco June 17th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    I’d have to strongly disagree that “Generation Trey” (everything linked to Michael Kay is annoying) has been a bigger flop than the Mets’ young trio back in the day.

    They may not have lived up to the hype but all 3 are still above average major leaguers at this point.

    You’d have a stronger argument invoking the “Killer B’s” but 2 of those 3 still have realistic chances to contribute to the Yanks.

  310. bruceb June 17th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Some of you guys know way too much about both baseball and the Yankees, which I guess can lead to it sounding as though you’re reading the Ten Commandments.

    I like the diverse range of opinions, but I do draw the line when posters start arguing that black is blue, or refuse to admit that the current Yankees lineup is offensively challenged when all the stats suggest otherwise.

  311. mick June 17th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    I’d have to strongly disagree that “Generation Trey” (everything linked to Michael Kay is annoying) has been a bigger flop than the Mets’ young trio back in the day.
    ====================
    Aha! Something we agree on…

  312. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Carlos more early evening delirium, The book by Frederick Forsyth, and a very good one as was the movie.

    Sorry for screwing up your night at the movies! ;)

  313. mick June 17th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    The part about kay.

  314. Jerkface June 17th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Pineda is going to be a beast in the Yanks rotation. The guy throws a very heavy fastball.

    Is that why he has one of the lowest ground ball rates in the majors?

  315. Pat M. June 17th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Senior Franco, hey how are you ????? I still think that both Hughes and Kennedy will win 200 or get real close when it’s all said and done with……Naturally health plays a huge role as Hughes all so well knows, because he could have logged close to 100 by now. As for Joba, I think if it not for his father and son he’d be in Japan next season, but I always though that Joba could have been a dominate closer for about 4 years or so ……For some reason I always think about Lee Smith when talking about Chamberlain

  316. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Mick, have you seen Kay’s new bride? A knockout on PIX NY.

    He was a decent reporter for the DN and a good color man with the always voluble JS.

    He became a “suit” and necessary shill when he starting making the really big bucks at YES.

    He is a good kid and will socialize with most people if you ever meet him in the hotel bar.

    Just don’t mention his weight or hair loss, he’s a big dude and a Bronx boy!

  317. mick June 17th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    He is a good kid and will socialize with most people if you ever meet him in the hotel bar.
    ======================
    you mean he will come down to the level of the common man.

  318. mick June 17th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    pat m where are the finals?

  319. Pat M. June 17th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Face, not certain what % of his fastballs in his early career have been hit on the ground, but guys who hit against him say their hands feel the effects of hitting off of him…..Small sample of players and a few advance scouts.

  320. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    G. Love June 17th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    I nominate Nick for the Lohud Hall of Shame after the Yankees performance in Oakland.

    ——————————

    F*ck superlatives, we’re doing the Hall of Shame this year!

    You guys are continually an inspiration. I love it!

  321. mick June 17th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    what are the requirements to get into the hall shame?

  322. Pat M. June 17th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    mick…..Not certain yet but once again the Saturday games for all 3 flights are to be spread out in all 5 bouroughs again. I think the finals are in a playground in Harlem

  323. tomingeorgia June 17th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Shame,
    My nomination to the hall is anyone who uses the term “generational bat” about a minor leaguer.

  324. mick June 17th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    this off day is the end of an interminable stretch of a poor schedule
    hope this is the last of it

  325. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Everyone is eligible for induction so I’ll make sure we all get our honors… I thought perhaps a round of superlatives after the first half of the season would be appropriate but let’s reserve those for after the year is out.

    The Hall of Shame nominations will carry us through those awful few days in July when there is no baseball. Mark your calendars.

  326. Giuseppe Franco June 17th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Hey, Pat M.

    I’m doing great. How are you and Mrs. Pat?

    I think we’re going to see Hughes pitching on the West Coast next season – perhaps in the NL.

    It would make a lot of sense for him for a number of reasons – bigger ballparks, weaker lineups, and much closer to home. Either way, he’s gonna get a nice contract from somebody.

    I know Joba has been a favorite whipping boy by many in this forum – some of the vitriol has been deserved but some undeserved. I think the organization really jerked him around and did more harm than good to his development.

    And Joba hasn’t been the only one. He’s just one of several examples of Cashman and Co. mishandling of young arms/prospects.

    I’ve never been a Cashman basher, but I’d really like to see the organization go in another direction upon the conclusion of 2013. Right now, I just don’t have any confidence in his decision-making anymore.

  327. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Mick, re: Kay, isn’t that what I said?

    Whether you’re “common” enough becomes the issue would you consent to a “Mick” shirt and shower shoes with black socks?

    For all I know you’re some elitist multi millionaire deigning to blog and flog with us pedestrian types!

    Say something humble! ;)

  328. comnsnse June 17th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    RE: athletes in general and Hughes and Joba in particular.

    The bottom line is the bottom line. It’s what you do that pays off not potential.

    Both of these fellows have been given ample opportunity albeit in multi roles.

    However no matter what you are asked, in whatever situation you produce or your deemed a JAG,just another guy)

    Whether they remain or leave , no matter where they go it will always be the same when judging a body of work. Were you productive when given the opportunity?

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