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Pitching matchups vs. Dodgers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 18, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight 
RHP Phil Hughes (3-5, 4.89)
vs.
LHP Hyun-Jin Ryu (6-2, 2.85)
7:05 p.m., MY9 and MLB Network

Wednesday
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (6-5, 2.78)
vs.
TBA
7:05 p.m., YES Network and ESPN2

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230 Responses to “Pitching matchups vs. Dodgers”

  1. blake June 18th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    “In fairness – that’s double the risk that the Yankees took with Youkilis who has very similar numbers to Beltran.”

    No way man…..Beltran had a .910 OPS in 2010 and showed he could still play…..Youk has looked toast for 3 years and so have his numbers.

    Very different guys IMO

  2. Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    There was no excuse for giving Youk $12m no matter how much CYA Cashman wants to engage in.

  3. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Blake -

    Beltran had been hardly playing for two years until he miraculously recovered in time for his FA walk year.

    Given that the Yankees had Swisher, Granderson and Gardner I can’t fault them for not wanting to commit to multiple years for a guy who didn’t fill an obvious need.

  4. blake June 18th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Had Youk not stunk in 2012 and played like he used to the it may have been similar…..but he was awful last year and his signing was a total flyer than he could get back his mojo……Beltran really good in 2010 which is why the mets could get Zack Wherler for him…..you couldn’t have traded Youk for Sidney Ponson last year

  5. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    They love him on River Ave.

    ——————

    He’s the people champ over there. They went crazy on Axisa when he wrote that article after the Yanks got swept by the A’s

  6. blake June 18th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Beltran had been hardly playing for two years until he miraculously recovered in time for his FA walk year.”

    Yes but he showed he was healthy and that he could still play at a high level before his free agency…..Youk did not and that the very big difference

  7. Tackelberry June 18th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I agree Chip. Problem with a lot of people on these boards is they bring all this up after things don’t work out. Hindsight is 20-20. If GMs could see into the future then every move would work out

  8. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    i dont do rab. they used to come in here and reference their posts to steal readers, which was probably smart, but i thought a little unseemly. i dont think they do that anymore and im sure they’re all fine writers and commenters, but i live here.

  9. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    There was no excuse for giving Youk $12m no matter how much CYA Cashman wants to engage in.
    ————————

    I don’t want to defend the signing, but, for the sake of argument, let’s assume that the three 3b who were out there (Reynolds, Keppinger, Youkilis) all would have taken what they got – Youkilis at 1 year makes more sense than Reynolds, who can’t play 3b or Keppinger who had one solid season as a starter under his belt – at 2b – and ended up getting a 3 year deal and who has been terrible for Chicago.

  10. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    in other words, you’re all stuck with me…

  11. blake June 18th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    “Given that the Yankees had Swisher, Granderson and Gardner I can’t fault them for not wanting to commit to multiple years for a guy who didn’t fill an obvious need.”

    As I said then you could have either traded Swisher or made him the DH with Beltran DHing some too…..as it turned out Gardner missed the whole year so instead of 40 year old Ibanez roaming the outfield you’d have had Beltran

  12. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Tackelberry June 18th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    I agree Chip. Problem with a lot of people on these boards is they bring all this up after things don’t work out. Hindsight is 20-20. If GMs could see into the future then every move would work out
    —————————————————————————–
    I could not have said it better myself.
    So many folks here claim to have all the answers and can see about 10 steps ahead.
    Which is obviously untrue.

  13. blake June 18th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “agree Chip. Problem with a lot of people on these boards is they bring all this up after things don’t work out. Hindsight is 20-20. If GMs could see into the future then every move would work out”

    Again I and others said the exact same stuff 2 years ago…..

  14. blake June 18th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Huh, apparently the WBC is still on the hook for Tex’s salary since he re-injured the wrist. Thought they were off the hook once off the DL.

  15. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    i have 2 lohud yankees blog t-shirts, which i had to drive to scranton to get. but at least its something.

    now, maybe if RAB came up with a few prime tickets……

  16. austinmac June 18th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    No one is really saying anything in hindsight. It was foresight when it was said, something the Yankees seem to lack.

  17. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    i have 2 lohud yankees blog t-shirts, which i had to drive to scranton to get. but at least its something.

    now, maybe if RAB came up with a few prime tickets……
    ————————————————————————————————–
    Where can a person like me score a LoHud Yankees Blog t-shirt??

  18. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    wtp, mine are all worn out as i had them in my regular work-shirt rotation for a while. now they’re kinda, yardwork shirts, so you don’t want mine.

    pete probably gave out 4 or 5 dozen at the game and he had some left that he gave away another time, i think, so they’d be hard to track down.

    im not sure there’s any blog regulars left who got one.

    can we talk chad into doing another one? (im sure he’d love to see the new railrider’s setup….

  19. Doreen June 18th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Ys Guy -

    Pete didn’t organize those outings, a blogger did. (Ron?)

  20. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    yes it was ron. were you there dor?

    a funny side thing about the lohud scranton trip was that some guy from up north of syracuse came and he worked for north country public radio, which is the npr affiliate in extreme northern and central NY. he recorded alot of the people there chatting about getting together with strangers you met on a blog.

    npr picked up the story he produced and i heard myself on morning edition (the national broadcast) about 2 weeks later.

  21. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    i have to admit, i am very much looking forward to hearing the ovation
    Donny Baseball receives tonight.

    will this happen when he takes out the line-up card?
    or when the Dodgers line-up is announced?
    or each and every time he steps on the field to take out a pitcher?

  22. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    i think there will be a tribute on the big board between innings. hopefullly he’ll tip his cap or something.

  23. Tar June 18th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    RAyVT

    re: Cashman… My feelings exactly, great posts.

  24. Bo knows June 18th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    or each and every time he steps on the field to take out a pitcher?
    —————-
    He deserves all of the above.

  25. Doreen June 18th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Ys Guy -

    It never worked out with our schedule for us to get up to SWB. Wish we’d been able to, all reports were a good time was had by all. :)

  26. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Harvey throwing 100 mph. Good lord..

  27. Disco June 18th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    What are the odds of a rainout tonight?

  28. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “agree Chip. Problem with a lot of people on these boards is they bring all this up after things don’t work out. Hindsight is 20-20. If GMs could see into the future then every move would work out”

    Again I and others said the exact same stuff 2 years ago…..
    ——————

    But you agree that many of those same people who wanted Beltran two years ago would be ripping Cashman for signing an oft-injured player to a 2 year deal if he had broken down like he did with the Mets?

  29. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    St. Louis took two risks that have paid off – signing Beltran and letting Pujols walk. Either one could have been epic disasters had they gone the other way.

  30. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    harvey was holding at 99 in the 7th inning last i saw him.

    he is all that and a bag o chips…

  31. pat June 18th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Wow. Not sure whose credibility this helps or hurts but when you cut through the layers of slime, there seems to be lots of questions about the legality of the evidence and how everyone obtained it (or destroyed it).

    http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2.....guez/full/

  32. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    harvey was holding at 99 in the 7th inning last i saw him.

    he is all that and a bag o chips…
    ———————————————————-
    Harvey also plays for the Mets. That’s nothing to brag about
    Harvey leads the league in No Decisions.
    NEXT!!!

  33. Hassey June 18th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    We may have to scream for Donnie before the game, because the Yanks may not be able to force him out of the dugout to change pitchers mid-inning

  34. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    MLB Network is televising the game tonight. Not sure if that means
    both Costas & Kaat will be in the booth or not.

    That’s my channel of choice this evening(since I don’t get MY9 or Yes where I live)

  35. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Pat,

    It’s a bad story from a number of angles.

  36. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    sorry i often forget this is a yankees blog not a baseball blog.

    just like yes is the yankees network but not a baseball network.

    me, i just like good baseball and good baseball players.

  37. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    how about if i try it this way…
    can’t we just trade hughes and joba for harvey and parnell?

  38. blake June 18th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    “But you agree that many of those same people who wanted Beltran two years ago would be ripping Cashman for signing an oft-injured player to a 2 year deal if he had broken down like he did with the Mets?”

    I guess but 2/24 wasn’t that big a risk to me

  39. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    But you agree that many of those same people who wanted Beltran two years ago would be ripping Cashman for signing an oft-injured player to a 2 year deal if he had broken down like he did with the Mets?

    ——————————————

    He was healthy for 4 and a half years with them and hurt for 2 years and he has been healthy since

  40. pat June 18th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    and Bud’s final year gets more interesting….

    abc7newsBayArea
    #BREAKING: The San Jose City Council has voted to sue #MLB for refusing to let the Oakland #Athletics move to San Jose.

  41. blake June 18th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Again the “Beltran is injury prone ” notion is kinda bunk…..he’s had one serious injury and has been otherwise pretty darn durable in his career. 140+ games in 10 of the last 12 years

  42. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    as a yankee fan, i love watching NL baseball. i have always gotten out to flushing to watch the cards or the dodgers or the phillies. in fact the first time i went to shea that wasnt with dad or the cub scouts, i took my brother to see bob gibson v tom seaver. we were quite young, mom never knew.

  43. pat June 18th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    “challenging baseball’s powers and #sfgiants territorial rights Bud Selig named as defendant.”

  44. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    “But you agree that many of those same people who wanted Beltran two years ago would be ripping Cashman for signing an oft-injured player to a 2 year deal if he had broken down like he did with the Mets?”

    I guess but 2/24 wasn’t that big a risk to me
    —————————-

    Wasn’t that big a risk to me either – but I understand why Cashman didn’t go after him.

    The bigger issue to me, honestly, is not going after Torii Hunter this past winter.

  45. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    There is no logical reason mlb is keeping Oakland in that dump

  46. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    The bigger issue to me, honestly, is not going after Torii Hunter this past winter.

    ———————————————–

    Or AJP

  47. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “The bigger issue to me, honestly, is not going after Torii Hunter this past winter.”

    2014

  48. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    There is no logical reason mlb is keeping Oakland in that dump
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    Speaking of dumb, the locker rooms over the weekend were backed up.
    Raw sewage backed up into the players locker rooms.

  49. austinmac June 18th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    I don’t know about others, but I don’t spend my day thinking up ways to criticize Cashman. Many of us argued they should sign Beltran last year and trade Swisher since he was going to be a free agent. They would be far better off today had they done so.

    Cashman and the management team, or whoever has the authority, simply have not dealt with the impending and past free agency deparatures as other teams do. We just let them walk. When it is obvious theywon’t be re-signed–see Granderson, Joba and Hughes for example–they should get what they can, when they can.

    They will not and we will get one or two draft picks, if the Yankees have the nerve to risk accepting the QO, instead of a player who may be major league ready in less than 3-5 years.

    My hopes are simple. Make no trades giving up players we control in the future for a player who we would only control this year. For once, think 2-3 years down the road. We cannot do it any other way and have success, IMO.

  50. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    harvey was holding at 99 in the 7th inning last i saw him.

    he is all that and a bag o chips…
    ———————————————————-
    Harvey also plays for the Mets. That’s nothing to brag about
    Harvey leads the league in No Decisions.
    NEXT!!!
    ———————

    Do the Yankees have a Matt Harvey??

  51. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    #BREAKING: The San Jose City Council has voted to sue #MLB for refusing to let the Oakland #Athletics move to San Jose.

    Wow interesting .. I hope this goes somewhere.

  52. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    i dont think you can so easily dismiss the injury concerns at the time for beltran. he missed most of 2010 and was still missing alot of games in 2011. he also went on the dl in august after he was traded to san fran.

    ive always been a beltran fan and i wanted him when he was available the first time but i didnt trust his knee enough to want the yankees to sign him.

  53. pat June 18th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    YankeesWFAN 2m
    Mark Teixeira is going on DL. No surprise. Yankees bringing back RHP Adam Warren. Heard OF Zoilo Almonte could be added too.

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Zoilo? That’s sort of exciting – both good and bad exciting :) Better fasten the seat belts.

  55. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    yeah, if the nats can move so close to the o’s and work things out, the a’s should be allowed to move further away from the giants. the giants are just being jerks about the whole thing.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Hope the Z-man gets a start instead of just sitting on the bench.

  57. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Woooow… can’t wait to see how that suit turns out.

    Mac – We’ve said it over and over but it is never really about one player or one move, it’s about long term planning and decision making. We were trying to come up with some potential solutions to make the 2014 budget possible. They never really did anything and spent $26 million on Youk and Wells instead. $31 million on Ichiro, Youk and Wells lol, it’s so funny I could almost cry.

  58. Doreen June 18th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    pat -

    I hope they win that one. (The A’s to San Jose thing). I heard the day after the Yankees left town there was a sewage backup into the clubhouse.

  59. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    harvey was holding at 99 in the 7th inning last i saw him.

    he is all that and a bag o chips…
    ———————————————————-
    Harvey also plays for the Mets. That’s nothing to brag about
    Harvey leads the league in No Decisions.
    NEXT!!!
    ———————

    Do the Yankees have a Matt Harvey??
    ————————————————————————————————
    Did The Mets win the 2000 WS?

    Thank You!

  60. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “The bigger issue to me, honestly, is not going after Torii Hunter this past winter.”

    2014
    ————–

    It’s only $7 mil more than they’re paying Ichiro and Hunter’s RH bat isn’t as redundant as Ichiro’s LH bat is when you consider the presence of Gardner.

  61. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    i dont think you can so easily dismiss the injury concerns at the time for beltran. he missed most of 2010 and was still missing alot of games in 2011. he also went on the dl in august after he was traded to san fran.
    ——————

    Eh, it isn’t really about dismissing it. Beltran would have been brought in as the 4th OFer and some felt like with occasional rest he’d be fine.

    This is the same team that went after Youk and Martin, two pretty big injury risks.

  62. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Why are we arguing about Matt Harvey? He is a great pitcher. I wish we had him

  63. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    pat June 18th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    YankeesWFAN 2m
    Mark Teixeira is going on DL. No surprise. Yankees bringing back RHP Adam Warren. Heard OF Zoilo Almonte could be added too.
    ————–

    My guess would be that Zoilo comes up at the expense of Bootcheck…not that that’s a huge expense.

  64. jacksquat June 18th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Still, I asked Brian Cashman yesterday whether he would be willing to try to build a better tomorrow by selling in July/August if matters looked bleak, and he said, “I will worry about that if I have to deal with it. That is not on my plate, right now..”

    This is true. Despite all the injuries and underperformance and recent losing they are still only 3 games out.

  65. ac1 June 18th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Smart move not waiting to put Tex back on the DL. Glad Warren is back too.
    But I think we need more position players and not another pitcher. Now that Warren is back, maybe send Booty back to AAA and get Johnson or one of the other 3 healthy Scranton players up here.

  66. jacksquat June 18th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 10:32 am
    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:15 am
    not signing chavez because of his health is still a sound decision. they made a mistake filling the spot for sure, but that still doesnt make chavez worth bringing back.
    ————————————————————————-
    Yeah, not signing Chavez was a great idea… .325/.368/.588/.956.

    Chavez is definitely always going to miss time but when he is in there he kills righties.

    He signed for $3M… We could have had him for a few million on top of that, he would have been a nice platoon mate with Adams/Nix/Musty.

    Chavez wanted to play close to home, that’s why he signed with AZ. This is not a legitimate non trade to criticize.

  67. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Calling up Almonte makes some sense:

    Dan Johnson hits from the wrong side of the plate – the Yankees have a lefty hitting 1b.

    I thought they might bring up Alberto Gonzalez so that they could play Nix at 1b and not have to play Brignac against LHP.

    But with Wells scuffling, sure, give Almonte a shot at LF against RHP, platoon him with Wells and Neal with Hafner.

  68. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Chavez wanted to play close to home, that’s why he signed with AZ. This is not a legitimate non trade to criticize.

    ——————-

    I’m not sure how accurate that is.. The Yanks weren’t in a position to make him an offer and he had one so they told him to go ahead and take it lol. They didn’t make any sort of offer for him, so we don’t know if he would have returned.

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    We don’t have Harvey, but apparently Giovanni Gallegos had a very nice NYPL debut last night. :)

  70. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    howie rose says he thinks the atlanta gun is a little ‘hot’.

    o sorry let me lohud that… howie rose says the atlanta gun is a little ‘hot’ based on the last time he watched joba pitch for the yankees in atlanta…

    …better? :)

  71. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Chavez wanted to play close to home, that’s why he signed with AZ. This is not a legitimate non trade to criticize.
    ————————————–
    $$$ has a funny way of persuading people otherwise.

  72. jacksquat June 18th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    I don’t think Cashman would flat out lie about Long not telling them about Tex’s issues.

    Say what you want about if he should have said something about it in public, but I don’t think he just makes that up.

    It is certainly plausible that Long kept some things between himself and a hitter, as he is close to the players and on the player side of the player/management thing.

  73. jacksquat June 18th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Well Chavez’ home is right there (in AZ), so I’m inclined to believe what he said.

  74. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    chavez is on the dl. for a month now. still not rehabbing….

  75. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    im telling you, girardi was great with chavez last year. he knew just when 3 days rest would keep him from going on the dl. it was a minor miracle that his only dl stint was 7 days for a concussion.

    anybody willing to bet me this wont be his only dl stint this season? (that is assuming he comes OFF the dl)

  76. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    chavez is on the dl. for a month now. still not rehabbing….
    ———————————-
    He was placed on the DL May 31st… Let me check my calender, is that a month?

    He was supposed to start swinging this past weekend, I dont know if he did or not.

    Eric Chavez (oblique) will start swinging a bat on Saturday.
    Diamondbacks manager Kirk Gibson said Chavez has been “getting much better” of late. Out since late May, he seems likely to require a brief rehab assignment before returning, which should come later this month. Jun 14 – 9:04 AM
    Source: Arizona Republic

  77. bruceb June 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Swisher’s injured too (left shoulder). While I absolutely hated the Youkilis signing, it seems as though we would have been stymied whichever way we had turned.

    The one guy we missed out on who could have been really useful to us is Nate Schierholtz. He’s having a pretty good year so far in a very average Cubs lineup.

  78. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Is Eloy Jimenez yet another IFA the Yankees won’t go after?

  79. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
    Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    harvey was holding at 99 in the 7th inning last i saw him.

    he is all that and a bag o chips…
    ———————————————————-
    Harvey also plays for the Mets. That’s nothing to brag about
    Harvey leads the league in No Decisions.
    NEXT!!!
    ———————

    Do the Yankees have a Matt Harvey??
    ————————————————————————————————
    Did The Mets win the 2000 WS?

    Thank You!

    ————————

    Of course no one would trade a WS for what the Mets have. There is no comparison between both organizations but right now the Mets have what the Yankees have been trying to develop since what 2006/07. A young coat controlled ace. His future has to play out because anything can happen but at least they can see what will and won’t happen. Where is the Yankees young ace?

  80. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Chip June 18th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
    Calling up Almonte makes some sense:

    Dan Johnson hits from the wrong side of the plate – the Yankees have a lefty hitting 1b.

    I thought they might bring up Alberto Gonzalez so that they could play Nix at 1b and not have to play Brignac against LHP.

    But with Wells scuffling, sure, give Almonte a shot at LF against RHP, platoon him with Wells and Neal with Hafner.
    —————————————————————–
    Exciting to think Almonte could be called up, but at who’s expense?

  81. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    this is newer actually:
    “Chavez (oblique) did not take any swings Saturday after coming down with an illness, the Arizona Republic reports.
    Spin:
    It’s not a major deal in the grand scheme of things, as Chavez figures to just push his rehab program back a day or two once he’s no longer feeling under the weather.” (rotowire)

    so the rehab was on hold as of saturday. but we’re talking about chavez, who probably has more dl time than nick johnson.

  82. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    but right now the Mets have what the Yankees have been trying to develop since what 2006/07

    ——————————————————

    2006/2007? How about since Andy

  83. ac1 June 18th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Exciting to think Almonte could be called up, but at who’s expense?
    ___

    Bootcheck
    And hopefully less playing time for Wells.

  84. Tyler June 18th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Exciting to think Almonte could be called up, but at who’s expense?
    —————————————————————————-

    Maybe Bootcheck now that Warren is back up?

  85. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    Of course no one would trade a WS for what the Mets have. There is no comparison between both organizations but right now the Mets have what the Yankees have been trying to develop since what 2006/07. A young coat controlled ace. His future has to play out because anything can happen but at least they can see what will and won’t happen. Where is the Yankees young ace?
    —————————————————————————————————————
    There is no Yankees young ace at the moment. Are these 2 teams in competition?
    Where is the Mets answer to Jeter?

  86. Wave Your Hat June 18th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Chavez’ signing with Arizona and the discovery that ARod’s hip would need surgery were practically simultaneous. Had the Yanks learned about ARod’s issue sooner they might have taken a different tack toward Chavez.

  87. Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
    this is newer actually:
    “Chavez (oblique) did not take any swings Saturday after coming down with an illness, the Arizona Republic reports.
    Spin:
    It’s not a major deal in the grand scheme of things, as Chavez figures to just push his rehab program back a day or two once he’s no longer feeling under the weather.” (rotowire)

    so the rehab was on hold as of saturday. but we’re talking about chavez, who probably has more dl time than nick johnson.
    —————————————————————————————
    Is there someone here complaining the Yankees did not
    sign Chavez in 2013?
    He didn’t want to come here. He wanted to play close to home and AZ was the destination.

  88. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    If you want a Matt Harvey then you need to lose enough so that you draft in the top 10 then hope to get lucky

  89. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Yea, so he got a cold or something this weekend and will start rehab early next week instead…

    Has he been out a month already?

  90. pat June 18th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Lew Wolff today on lawsuit: “I have no details. However, I am not in favor of legal action or legal threats to solve business issues. I’ve lived my life trying to solve things with patience instead of lawyers. That’s just the way I operate.”

  91. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    blake, harvey is one of the top 25 pitchers in baseball already and he can’t win a game. seems like the mets have his back on that idea…

  92. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Chavez wanted to play close to home, that’s why he signed with AZ. This is not a legitimate non trade to criticize.

    ——————-

    I’m not sure how accurate that is.. The Yanks weren’t in a position to make him an offer and he had one so they told him to go ahead and take it lol. They didn’t make any sort of offer for him, so we don’t know if he would have returned.
    ————————

    The Yankees miscalculated on something – it wasn’t just Eric Chavez it was the whole scenario around the kind of players Cashman had signed the year before.

    A year earlier guys like Chavez, Ibanez, Jones – the so called “dumpster guys” were all available right around the time pitchers and catchers started reporting. This past winter teams were grabbing those guys up early, leaving the big ticket items that Brian had no interest in (Bourn, Loshe, Soriano) on the vine instead.

    Cashman went into this winter thinking that he could take his time, be methodical as he had the year before and still have his pick of quality bench guys in January and February but that wasn’t the case.

    The disturbing part about this isn’t that Brian miscalculated how the market was going to trend before it opened because, hey, no one could have seen that, no, the disturbing part was that Brian couldn’t/wouldn’t adjust. He wouldn’t/couldn’t multitask. What was it he kept saying when asked about guys on the market, “I’m not thinking about that position yet.” Or that once the team addressed the pitching they would move on to other things – stuff along those lines. If you can’t multitask and react to a changing landscape then you’re probably in the wrong line of work. And what’s more, what was the rush to get Andy Pettitte signed? Did the Yankees fear he was going to sign elsewhere?

    If you see players coming off the board that you like, you need to be willing to react, not overreact, but react to that situation rather than just stay the course because it’s what you had planned…that is why there is a Plan B…for when Plan A goes kerfluey which I think it did this winter.

  93. jacksquat June 18th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    pat June 18th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    and Bud’s final year gets more interesting….

    abc7newsBayArea
    #BREAKING: The San Jose City Council has voted to sue #MLB for refusing to let the Oakland #Athletics move to San Jose.

    Good. I lived in that area and it’s stupid for MLB to consider SAN JOSE to be SAN FRANCISCO’s territory. SF is just being greedy.

  94. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    If you want a Matt Harvey then you need to lose enough so that you draft in the top 10 then hope to get lucky

    And finally have a solid minor league system with good coaches and instructors that can develop the talent properly.

  95. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    If you want a Matt Harvey then you need to lose enough so that you draft in the top 10 then hope to get lucky
    ———————

    You also need to have development people in your organization who can help them reach their potential rather than failing them into relievers.

  96. Tackelberry June 18th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Exciting to think Almonte could be called up, but at who’s expense?
    ___

    Bootcheck
    And hopefully less playing time for Wells.

    ________________________________________
    ALmonte is a switch hitter, but his numbers are much better from the left side, so maybe he would platoon with Wells

  97. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    the mets will be in the front of the line at next year’s draft, too…

  98. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “And finally have a solid minor league system with good coaches and instructors that can develop the talent properly.”

    Eh we don’t know what the yanks would do with a Harvey cause theyve never really had one…..is day he’d still be awesome even if he grew up on the other side of NY

  99. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    jacksquat June 18th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    pat June 18th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    and Bud’s final year gets more interesting….

    abc7newsBayArea
    #BREAKING: The San Jose City Council has voted to sue #MLB for refusing to let the Oakland #Athletics move to San Jose.

    Good. I lived in that area and it’s stupid for MLB to consider SAN JOSE to be SAN FRANCISCO’s territory. SF is just being greedy.
    ——————

    The problem is that San Jose doesn’t have any legal standing to bring the suit.

  100. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “And finally have a solid minor league system with good coaches and instructors that can develop the talent properly.”

    Eh we don’t know what the yanks would do with a Harvey cause theyve never really had one…..is day he’d still be awesome even if he grew up on the other side of NY
    —————————-

    Probably turn him into the next Joba Chamberlain.

  101. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “You also need to have development people in your organization who can help them reach their potential rather than failing them into relievers.”

    Yea but again the yanks have never had a guy like that that you almost can’t mess up…..they have bad a bunch of injury risks and projects…….if the Yanks had drafted David price #1 then he’d still be awesome I’m almost positive…..the notion that he’d be a LOoGY or something now if he were a Yankee is way off IMO

  102. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Eh we don’t know what the yanks would do with a Harvey cause theyve never really had one…..is day he’d still be awesome even if he grew up on the other side of NY

    Hughes and Joba were more highly touted prospects than Harvey was and the Yankees botched their development pretty badly.

  103. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Here are the 3B FA’s from the last year… See anyone we would rather than than Chavez that was a realistic option?

    Eric Chavez 3B
    Chone Figgins 3B
    Jack Hannahan 3B
    Brandon Inge 3B
    Jose Lopez 3B
    Placido Polanco 3B
    Scott Rolen 3B
    Ian Stewart 3B
    Steven Tolleson 3B
    Jeff Keppinger 1B / 2B / 3B
    Miguel Cairo 1B / 3B
    Casey McGehee 1B / 3B
    Mark Reynolds 1B / 3B
    Kevin Youkilis 1B / 3B
    Ty Wigginton 3B / 1B
    Hector Luna 3B / LF
    Drew Sutton 3B / LF
    Mark DeRosa 3B / LF / RF

    If we weren’t already going to sign Chavez we should have signed him immediately after the news about Arod missing most of the season. Instead we waiting and let Pukalis hold us hostage for $12 Million Smackaroos…. Chavez got $3 mill from the D-Backs… He liked his time in NY, he would have stayed for an extra few million.

  104. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    No hitter for Harvey through 5

  105. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Joba wasn’t Matt Harvey…..he had injury issues etc coming out of college…..if he was Matt Harvey he would have been drafted in the top 10 like Harvey was….a lot of folks thought Joba was a reliever before the draft.

    I think the Yanks screwed up with Joba development wise….but still a lot of it is on him and he was never a Harvey or price

  106. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    “Hughes and Joba were more highly touted prospects than Harvey was and the Yankees botched their development pretty badly.”

    Harvey was drafted like 20 spots ahead of Hughes and like 35 ahead of Joba

  107. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Hughes became the #2 prospect in baseball after being drafted at the back of the first round……developing a true ace is very hard and the Yankees just don’t get that many guys who actually have the talent to be that…..

  108. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Harvey wasn’t supposed to be a number 1. He was a 2 or 3

  109. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Harvey was drafted like 20 spots ahead of Hughes and like 35 ahead of Joba

    Hughes was the #1 or #2 prospect in baseball for awhile depending on who you talked to..

    Joba was only in the minors for part of 2007 but was arguably more hyped than Harvey ever was.

    The Yankees problem isn’t getting highly talented pitchers, they have had a long string of guys that have massive talent (or perceived talent). Their problem has been developing those players to reach their full potential.

  110. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    That’s why they should have probably bought 25 year old Yu Darvish for a 9 million AAV when they had the chance…..scouting fail …..owner fail

  111. Hassey June 18th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Kanye West should be our new GM, if everyone wants dopeness

  112. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    That’s why they should have probably bought 25 year old Yu Darvish for a 9 million AAV when they had the chance…..scouting fail …..owner fail

    Agreed. The Yankees have really quieted down in the Japanese and cuban markets in recent years. George would have been all over Darvish, Cespedes, Puig, Chapman, etc

  113. blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle says:
    June 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm
    Harvey wasn’t supposed to be a number 1. He was a 2 or 3

    Well he was drafted like 7th overall I think so he was highly thought of….then one day be woke up with that insane slider and his ceiling changed.

    My point was that Hughes was made into the #2 overall prospect in baseball by the Yankess…..if other teams had known he’d become that then he would have been drafted higher

  114. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Blake –

    The Yankees have had lots of pitchers with Harvey’s talent: Hughes, Joba, Garcia – they all fail. You can’t just go by where a guy was drafted, in some cases the Yankees wound up drafting better guys than the ones who went earlier because of signability issues.

    The Mets, in fact most teams, have done a far better job developing pitchers than the Yankees have through the years.

  115. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    “The Yankees problem isn’t getting highly talented pitchers, they have had a long string of guys that have massive talent (or perceived talent). Their problem has been developing those players to reach their full potential.”

    No the problem is getting low risk talented pitchers….the guys they get usually that have talent always have warts attached…..whether its injury risk or no secondary pitches or whatever…..they never get to draft that pre packaged College stud that doesn’t need much development

  116. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    “The Yankees have had lots of pitchers with Harvey’s talent: Hughes, Joba, Garcia – they all fail”

    Zero of those guys have Harvey’s talent…..

  117. Wave Your Hat June 18th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    “If we weren’t already going to sign Chavez we should have signed him immediately after the news about Arod missing most of the season.”

    His deal with AZ was almost finalized by then. The discovery of ARod’s injury and Chavez’ signing by AZ were practically simultaneous.

  118. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    That’s why they should have probably bought 25 year old Yu Darvish for a 9 million AAV when they had the chance…..scouting fail …..owner fail
    ——————

    They traded for Pineda instead – trying to get a highly talented guy who was already established in MLB and thus didn’t need any development – because the Yankees can’t offer any development.

  119. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    all w/e long it was all about how stupid the yankees were for signing the ‘injury prone’ youkilis.

    now all of a sudden it’s all about why DIDNT they sign chavez (who’s ALSO on the dl)

  120. Mike in Harrisburg June 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    I think Harvey is exceeding most everyone’s expectations though. No one thought he would be this good, this fast.

  121. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Again….make a list of the top 15 or so pitchers in baseball and then look and see how many of them the Yankees could have drafted.

  122. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    $9M AAV plus what?

  123. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    trying to get a highly talented guy who was already established in MLB and thus didn’t need any development

    ————————————————–

    He lacked a third pitch

  124. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    “The Yankees have had lots of pitchers with Harvey’s talent: Hughes, Joba, Garcia – they all fail”

    Zero of those guys have Harvey’s talent…..
    —————-

    I disagree. I have no doubt that Joba was as talented when he came up as Matt Harvey. He threw 100mph with nasty secondary stuff. The Yankees effed him up.

  125. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Harvey with 89 pitches through 6 innings… Terry Collins is sitting in the dug out praying that he gives up a hit in the next inning or 2 or has some really economical innings so he does not have to decide another Santana PC nono debate… Obviously Harvey is a hell of a lot more important than Johan at this point… His career high in pitches is 116. The last thing Terry Collins wants to do is answer questions as to why he let Harvey throw 125+ pitches.

  126. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    I saw Harvey pitch at UNC and I didn’t think he’d ever be this good…..but he was always good which is why he was drafted so high

  127. ac1 June 18th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    If we weren’t already going to sign Chavez we should have signed him immediately after the news about Arod missing most of the season. Instead we waiting and let Pukalis hold us hostage for $12 Million Smackaroos…. Chavez got $3 mill from the D-Backs… He liked his time in NY, he would have stayed for an extra few million.
    ___

    And when he got hurt inevitably, people would have reacted to wasting $5-7 M on a major injury concern. Same as Youkilis, just a few mil less.

  128. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Again….make a list of the top 15 or so pitchers in baseball and then look and see how many of them the Yankees could have drafted.
    —————-

    That’s not relevant. There are lots of teams that don’t have the opportunity to draft a guy like Harvey – it doesn’t stop them from developing top end pitching.

  129. ac1 June 18th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    That’s why they should have probably bought 25 year old Yu Darvish for a 9 million AAV when they had the chance…..scouting fail …..owner fail
    __

    Plus the $50M+ posting fee.

  130. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “I disagree. I have no doubt that Joba was as talented when he came up as Matt Harvey. He threw 100mph with nasty secondary stuff. The Yankees effed him up.”

    With a high effort delivery ….injury history….and nowhere near as good a command or pitch ability.

    The Yanks screwed Joba up…..but some of it was probably always underlying time bombs that may have exploded either way

  131. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    The disturbing part about this isn’t that Brian miscalculated how the market was going to trend before it opened because, hey, no one could have seen that, no, the disturbing part was that Brian couldn’t/wouldn’t adjust. He wouldn’t/couldn’t multitask. What was it he kept saying when asked about guys on the market, “I’m not thinking about that position yet.” Or that once the team addressed the pitching they would move on to other things – stuff along those lines.

    ——————-

    Chip – Agree completely. Not sure if it’s Brian or the Owners responsible for that… it was and is really hard to tell…

  132. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Ah Blake after reading your dubious defense of your own opinions which you manage to conform to a reality in your mind.

    I am dubbing your the “Punjab of Pontification”! Let’s see then ,to follow your tortuous logic in pursuit of your Beltran exposition.

    You also conclude that in your self appointed GM capacity this would have necessitated trading Swisher to accommodate Beltran and have deduced that this was your mindset at that time, unequivocally?

    That’s the same Swisher who was healthy, his improving offense and defense as you noted and who was infinitely cheaper than the wondrous Carlos.

    Who had a history of injuries and coming off a bad contract?

    Now assuming honesty is the best policy and you really have nothing to lose but the appellation I’ve bestowed on you, would you care to change anything in your testimony?

    I don’t think you would have lasted as long as Cash! ;)

  133. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    blake I think you are mistaking talent for results. At one point or another all 3 of Hughes/Chamberlain/Garcia had ace-like stuff. Injuries, lack of development, etc have derailed all 3.

    Also lets not be so fast to crown Harvey an ace, he looks incredible right now but Joba had flashes of brilliance too. Everyone thought he was the future ace of the staff (or heir to Mo).

  134. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    “That’s not relevant. There are lots of teams that don’t have the opportunity to draft a guy like Harvey – it doesn’t stop them from developing top end pitching.”

    How is it not relevant if most of the good pitchers were drafted higher than the Yankees draft? The Yankees develop back end guys…..they have tons of tem now. They need a David phelps that throws 97 mph…..those guys he drafted high usually

  135. UnKnown June 18th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    I don’t see TC letting Harvey go more than 125 today. Especially after the Johan episode.

  136. igotid88 June 18th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    What will happen when Mattingly comes out to argue a call?

  137. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Also lets not be so fast to crown Harvey an ace, he looks incredible right now but Joba had flashes of brilliance too. Everyone thought he was the future ace of the staff (or heir to Mo).

    ——————————————–

    When did Joba string together almost a full year’s worth of starting comparable to Harvey?

  138. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “blake I think you are mistaking talent for results. At one point or another all 3 of Hughes/Chamberlain/Garcia had ace-like stuff. Injuries, lack of development, etc have derailed all 3.

    All 3 talented….all 3 had some sort of wart though and none of them are as talented as Harvey. Control/command is a talent too…..

  139. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
    all w/e long it was all about how stupid the yankees were for signing the ‘injury prone’ youkilis.

    now all of a sudden it’s all about why DIDNT they sign chavez (who’s ALSO on the dl)
    ——————————–
    They had a chance to sign a guy for 1/2(ish) the money who actually still hits well… Plus it would have been nice to have a lefty option at 3B to go along with all of the other right handed options at 3rd Nix/Adams/Musty.

    Also, it would have been nice to have never had to watch Youk and his big, sweaty, bald head ever dawn the Yankee uniform.

    Anyway you want to slice it, Chavez was the better fit.

  140. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    cmon now, joba was not in harvey’s class ever.

  141. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    I don’t see TC letting Harvey go more than 125 today. Especially after the Johan episode.

    ————————————————

    He is in for the long haul as long as he doesn’t give up a hit

  142. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “Ah Blake after reading your dubious defense of your own opinions which you manage to conform to a reality in your mind.”

    Dubious was Stuckys favorite word. Also I never said I would have traded Swisher….I said you could have. I would have (and said this 2 years ago) that I would have kept him and DHd him and Beltran some …..as it turned out Gardner missed the whole year and it wouldn’t have mattered……

  143. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    first of all, as many have pointed out, chavez didnt want to stay in NY.

    secondly he’s STILL on the dl, so while it would be nice to be paying a dl player less, he’s still producing nothing.

  144. ac1 June 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    I always got the feeling Yankees DID want Chavez and he signed with AZ before the Yankees were able to offer. They had bigger things to focus on, they assumed he would still be out there when they got to him like the last few years.

  145. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Jordan Zimmermann was a 2nd round pick
    Matt Moore in the 8th round
    Jon Lester in the 2nd round
    Clay Bucholtz compensation round

    Just a few guys who weren’t first rounders but are better than any pitcher the Yankees have developed since Andy Pettitte.

    And there is a long list of teams that do draft pitchers high and screw them up…nothing is a finished product, all pitchers need development and how you develop that talent is what makes the difference. The Yankees do it very very badly.

  146. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    all w/e long it was all about how stupid the yankees were for signing the ‘injury prone’ youkilis.

    now all of a sudden it’s all about why DIDNT they sign chavez (who’s ALSO on the dl)

    ———————

    I don’t understand why you don’t understand why it makes them look particularly dumb to not sign one player at $3 because he’s an injury risk and go ahead and sign another player at $12 who is also an injury risk….? Forget Chavez. Throw him out of the equation.

    It was still a complete waste of resources and an example of poor decision making to sign Youkilis.

    Don’t even make me remind you guys that Hal referred to Youk as one of the top free agents on the market…. don’t. Cause it hurts too much.

  147. Mike in Harrisburg June 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    They Mets’d it up!

  148. UnKnown June 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Well that was an interesting play for the first hit…

  149. exiledintampa June 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Wow What a way for Harvey to lose the no no. Nobody covering FB.

  150. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Blake, aren’t you being a trifle argumentative today?

    Now I’m afraid you might literally implode given the shrill quality of some of your rants, I mean posts! ;)

    I am concerned with both your physical and mental well being blog buddy.

    Be well and stop taking those B12 shots they’re making you hyperactive.

    :)

  151. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    “Also lets not be so fast to crown Harvey an ace, he looks incredible right now but Joba had flashes of brilliance too. Everyone thought he was the future ace of the staff (or heir to Mo).”

    Joba never was consistent as a starter….maybe he could have been if given the chance but if never showed anything close to what Harvey has

  152. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    any way you slice it, chavez was the more likely player to land on the dl. and that will still be true going forward when and if both of them come off the dl.

  153. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    When did Joba string together almost a full year’s worth of starting comparable to Harvey?

    2008 Joba had 100 innings @ 2.6 era, 10.6 k/9

    My point is that before he screwed up his shoulder, Joba was looking like a no-doubt ace starting pitcher.

  154. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    cmon now, joba was not in harvey’s class ever.

    Looking at stuff alone, yes he was.

  155. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Shame, very sound reasoning, Blake do you concur?

  156. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “Jordan Zimmermann was a 2nd round pick
    Matt Moore in the 8th round
    Jon Lester in the 2nd round
    Clay Bucholtz compensation round”

    That’s 4 guys……of the top 20 or so pitchers in baseball…..most of them the Yanks never could have drafted

  157. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    first of all, as many have pointed out, chavez didnt want to stay in NY.

    —————–

    Lol, Chavez didn’t have any offer from a NY team so again I don’t really understand why people keep drawing from an empty well… here are the facts: one team made an offer and that’s the team Chavez signed with. The Yankees did not make an offer because they had better things to not do at the time. Instead they compounded what could be a reasonable decision (not resigning Chavez) with an absolutely awful decision (signing Youk for double what anyone else would pay him).

    There is no spin here that can make the Yankees look competent. Not while Youk is having trouble feeling his lower extremities and our GM is saying things about how back problems never really go away.

  158. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    any way you slice it, chavez was the more likely player to land on the dl. and that will still be true going forward when and if both of them come off the dl.
    ————————————-
    What?… Why is that?

    Chavez has been injury prone his whole career… Youk has only become injury prone the last few years but that he because he is old and fat.

    You have some sort of crystal ball that says Chavez is more injury prone going forward?

  159. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:16 pm



    Looking at stuff alone, yes he was.”

    Command is part of “stuff”…..raw velocity and the slider sure maybe…..total package of the affect of the stuff though ……no

  160. pat June 18th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “The problem is that San Jose doesn’t have any legal standing to bring the suit.”

    Maybe. San Jose is suing for tortious interference. Same thing MLB is suing for in the Biogenesis suit.

    If they can show something MLB or their partners is doing is discouraging a contract from being reached between the A’s and San Jose, they could show standing.

  161. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    any way you slice it, chavez was the more likely player to land on the dl. and that will still be true going forward when and if both of them come off the dl.

    ————————-

    ???????????????????????????????

    Dude… you’re reaching right now. They’re both basically made of glass. One was just a lot more expensive and therefore a greater risk. I just hope Youk can feel his feet the next time he comes off the DL.

  162. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    “That’s not relevant. There are lots of teams that don’t have the opportunity to draft a guy like Harvey – it doesn’t stop them from developing top end pitching.”

    How is it not relevant if most of the good pitchers were drafted higher than the Yankees draft? The Yankees develop back end guys…..they have tons of tem now. They need a David phelps that throws 97 mph…..those guys he drafted high usually
    ————–

    It’s not relevant because, as I pointed out, there are a lot of teams that don’t have the opportunity to draft in the top 10 year after year but somehow they still manage to turn out better pitchers than the Yankees do.

    Look at the St. Louis rotation:

    Jaime Garcia – 22nd round
    Lance Lynn – 39th pick
    Shelby Miller – 19th pick
    Adam Wainwright was a 29th pick (though by a different organization) and developed by the Cards.

    They can afford to go out and sign a Beltran and a Holiday on a budget because they do such a better job developing their own pitchers.

  163. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    there’s probably 10 guys per year that have ‘stuff’ that should make them elite. less than 10% of those become dominant.

    harvey is well on his way to being dominant, joba never got near where harvey is right now.

  164. Mike in Harrisburg June 18th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Honestly the foot numbness with Youk is mighty troubling. If he’s got nerve damage for example, I don’t know when he might come back.

  165. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Command is part of “stuff”…..raw velocity and the slider sure maybe…..total package of the affect of the stuff though ……no

    Joba had command as well. Look at his numbers in 2007 and 2008, he was absurdly good – a sure fire ace. His minor league career was arguably more impressive than Harvey’s and he was unstoppable in the end of 2007 and 2008 up until August. Basically a 2 year period of brilliance that I would put up against any 2 years in Harvey’s career.

    Joba failed because of injuries, not talent. Which I would argue were caused by the Yankees mishandling of him.

  166. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “Ah Blake after reading your dubious defense of your own opinions which you manage to conform to a reality in your mind.”

    Dubious was Stuckys favorite word. Also I never said I would have traded Swisher….I said you could have. I would have (and said this 2 years ago) that I would have kept him and DHd him and Beltran some …..as it turned out Gardner missed the whole year and it wouldn’t have mattered……

    ———————-

    It was really just one idea that could have worked… any OFer that you could get on a two year deal or low cost deal would have been worth a look. That was really the point of the Beltran debate. I think we even talked about how most Yankee teams needed 4 OFers consistently over the years prior, since Beltran having no place to play concerned so many people.

  167. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    2008 Joba had 100 innings @ 2.6 era, 10.6 k/9

    My point is that before he screwed up his shoulder, Joba was looking like a no-doubt ace starting pitcher.

    —————————————————–

    He started 12 games that year. Harvey has started 25 games

  168. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg June 18th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Honestly the foot numbness with Youk is mighty troubling. If he’s got nerve damage for example, I don’t know when he might come back.

    —————

    It’s actually terrifying. Not from a Yankee fan or baseball perspective, but for him physically. The guy probably shouldn’t even be playing baseball anymore. He could either have nerve or disc damage. That’s some scary stuff.

  169. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    can you please tell me how many times/days youkilis has spent on the dl in his career vs. how many times/days on the dl for chavez? i dont know where to look it up, but im betting chavez has been on the dl more than 3x as long as youkilis in his career.

    i dont know how you can even debate that chavez was the bigger injury risk as there may not be another position player as injury prone in the majors as chavez.

  170. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    GLOVE, on another historical note I recall a recent post of yours where I believe you said you “go back to Joe McCarthy” who if I recall was the mgr. until 46 followed by Bucky Harris who won the pennant and WS in 47 followed by Casey in 49.

    Am I correct? If so you must be older than dirt! ;)

    I have occupied Yankee fandom since 47 when I believe the Yanks rolled off 19 straight wins and of course ever since. Actually I thought the Sox were the team at the time having stolen all those all stars from the Browns and almost made it in 46.

    Did you also know Miller Huggins? ;)

  171. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Hughes is a different case, he had injuries too but mostly they were just bad luck. However, I do believe the Yankees mishandled him as well. They rushed him to the majors. They also made him stop using his best pitch, the slider, for 2 years. When they let him throw it again he had no feel for the pitch and stopped using it .. it eventually became the mediocre slider/cutter we see today. The Yankees also never had Hughes focus on his changeup. It was also a plus pitch when he was first coming up but it mysteriously disappeared after 2007.

    I don’t think you can make the argument that the Yankees don’t get Harvey level talent. Hughes was it, he had no injury history, he had the stuff, he had the makeup, he had the command. Either through luck or mismanagement, he hasn’t become the ace that all of baseball expected him to be.

  172. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
    but right now the Mets have what the Yankees have been trying to develop since what 2006/07

    ——————————————————

    2006/2007? How about since Andy

    —————————

    I was being generous :)

  173. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Shame, trust me bro but numbness in any appendage is a real problem! ;)

  174. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    can you please tell me how many times/days youkilis has spent on the dl in his career vs. how many times/days on the dl for chavez? i dont know where to look it up, but im betting chavez has been on the dl more than 3x as long as youkilis in his career
    ————————————–
    Oh please… Just like with hitting, current trends are much more important and relevant.

    And the current trend is that they are both injured frequently.

    This is like saying Arod is going to have a better year than David Wright because Arod has more career HR.

  175. G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    comnsnse,

    Um, what are you talking about?

    You taking pulls off a bong over there?

    Please, show me this post. I beg you. Maybe I was drunk or possessed at the time.

  176. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Joba had command as well. Look at his numbers in 2007 and 2008, he was absurdly good – a sure fire ace

    ———————————

    His walks per 9 in 12 games started in 2008 was 3.6

  177. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Warning Track Power June 18th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
    Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    Of course no one would trade a WS for what the Mets have. There is no comparison between both organizations but right now the Mets have what the Yankees have been trying to develop since what 2006/07. A young coat controlled ace. His future has to play out because anything can happen but at least they can see what will and won’t happen. Where is the Yankees young ace?
    —————————————————————————————————————
    There is no Yankees young ace at the moment. Are these 2 teams in competition?
    Where is the Mets answer to Jeter?

    ——————————————————————————–

    Jeter came up what 17 yrs ago we’re talking about right now.

  178. G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Have they announced who’s coming up for Tex yet?

    I give the Yankees credit for DL’ing and not playing with a diminished roster in the hopes the great pumpkin returns by the weekend.

  179. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    hughes didnt have harvey’s velocity nor his seconday or certainly third pitch.

    but other than that….

  180. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    OMIGOD! Everything to do with Hughes and Joba is their bad luck?

    Nosiree boys it’s the Yankees bad luck, and the fact that neither has kept themselves in the best shape or learned how to actually pitch and not simply throw.

    When some loony GM give Hughes a multi yr. deal and millions he will find a way to screw that up as well.

    And as for Slim if George waqs around he’d call Joba “Toad Two, shades of Irabu!

  181. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
    If you want a Matt Harvey then you need to lose enough so that you draft in the top 10 then hope to get lucky

    ——————-

    Or you can draft a Matt Moore

  182. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    GLOVE, someone mentioned Joe Collins! ;)

  183. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    AAO, how about Demi Moore?

  184. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Have they announced who’s coming up for Tex yet?

    I give the Yankees credit for DL’ing and not playing with a diminished roster in the hopes the great pumpkin returns by the weekend.

    ——————–

    Yeah totally agree. I wonder if Long’s comments played a part. I still can’t figure out why there was a presser yesterday lol…

  185. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Eh we don’t know what the yanks would do with a Harvey cause theyve never really had one

    ———————

    They had Joba before the rules, maturity issues, and weight problems. He was the closest ting stuff wise to a future number 1.

  186. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    @eboland11

    Looks like Bootcheck DFA’d an Warren up; Teixeira as expected to the DL and OF Almonte up

  187. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    “This is like saying Arod is going to have a better year than David Wright because Arod has more career HR.”
    ———————————————————–
    yeah, kinda, except the part where they are one year apart in age…

  188. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Chip,

    The Cards are probably the best ran organization in baseball so sure …..the other good organization that has won 2 of the last 3 titles (the Giants) has a rotation full if guys the Yankees couldn’t have drafted

  189. G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Shame,

    I really think the presser was to control the news cycle on the off day. If they didn’t get out in front of it, a reporter could certainly write an article wondering why the Yankees brought back a player who couldn’t hit off a tee.

    It was a damage control blanket in my eyes and it worked as nobody has lit up the Yankees for it outside of blogger/fans.

  190. ac1 June 18th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Welcome to the show Almonte.
    I am happy we are seeing so many of our young players.

  191. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    hughes didnt have harvey’s velocity nor his seconday or certainly third pitch.

    but other than that….

    Velocity no but he had secondary and third pitches for sure. Go read scouting reports from 2004-2007. Supposedly he had a plus-plus curve, plus slider before the Yankees told him to stop throwing it, average change. He also had plus-plus fastball command

  192. igotid88 June 18th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    Hughes is a different case, he had injuries too but mostly they were just bad luck. However, I do believe the Yankees mishandled him as well. They rushed him to the majors. They also made him stop using his best pitch, the slider, for 2 years. When they let him throw it again he had no feel for the pitch and stopped using it .. it eventually became the mediocre slider/cutter we see today. The Yankees also never had Hughes focus on his changeup. It was also a plus pitch when he was first coming up but it mysteriously disappeared after 2007.

    I don’t think you can make the argument that the Yankees don’t get Harvey level talent. Hughes was it, he had no injury history, he had the stuff, he had the makeup, he had the command. Either through luck or mismanagement, he hasn’t become the ace that all of baseball expected him to be.
    ——————

    I agree. But I don’t think he was brought up too soon. Had he not pulled his hamstring who knows what would have happened. He’d probably be over 100 wins by now.

  193. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    ——————-

    Or you can draft a Matt Moore”

    Luck at least somewhat…..his velo jumped and made him a lot better than he was when drafted.

    Sure the Yanks need to get better at finding those gems…..my only point was that its a lot harder when you never get a shot at the best guys

  194. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Blake -

    The point is that “because we don’t draft high enough” is not an excuse for the Yankees’ inability to develop a single front of the rotation starter since Andy.

  195. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Who could have predicted this woukd happen with tex ……

  196. ac1 June 18th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Are there any healthy players in AAA?
    With Almonte here and Mesa and Boesch on the DL, who is playing OF in Scranton?

  197. Triple Short of a Cycle June 18th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    .the other good organization that has won 2 of the last 3 titles (the Giants) has a rotation full if guys the Yankees couldn’t have drafted

    ——————————————–

    Cain was drafted with the 25th pick

  198. Mike in Harrisburg June 18th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    I read Warren is the move for Tex and possibly Zoilo Almonte as well as the replacement.

  199. Wave Your Hat June 18th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    What was Cashman supposed to say, Tex wasn’t close to 100% but the offense stinks so we activated him anyway? Long didn’t think through what he said, it had the potential to embarrass the Yanks and Cashman slapped him down.

  200. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    AAO, how about Demi Moore?

    ————————

    Not bad.

    She was good back in her prime.

  201. igotid88 June 18th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
    hughes didnt have harvey’s velocity nor his seconday or certainly third pitch.

    but other than that….

    Velocity no but he had secondary and third pitches for sure. Go read scouting reports from 2004-2007. Supposedly he had a plus-plus curve, plus slider before the Yankees told him to stop throwing it, average change. He also had plus-plus fastball command
    —–

    That’s what I remember when he was coming up. Then over the years it became that he only had a fastball. But I remember he had a good curve and slider then they took it away from him.

  202. Wave Your Hat June 18th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Cardinals generally draft as low as the Yanks but they find guys.

  203. Jerkface June 18th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Hughes had all the tools to be an Ace. 3 pitches, 2 of which were plus and one average that flashed above average, command of all of them, big build. His FB was 92-95 with insane life and control.

    His no hitter game showed all the stuff. The curve was bonkers, he threw back to back changes to strike out Mark Teixeira lefthanded, the fastball was being hit into the ground not for tons of flyballs.

    He hurt his hammy then twisted his ankle or whatever during rehab. In that time his fastball dropped 2 mph, his change up disappeared, and his curve lost 2 mph and bite. Then in 08 he had a stress fracture in his rib cage probably from altering his delivery due to the hammy pull/ankle injury and he didnt get the FB back until 09.

  204. Jerkface June 18th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Hughes curve was rated as one of the best in baseball when he was coming up. The thing to remember is that we have never seen that pitch outside of the minors because he lost it 2 games into his career. Same with the change.

  205. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Chip says:
    June 18, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    Blake -

    The point is that “because we don’t draft high enough” is not an excuse for the Yankees’ inability to develop a single front of the rotation starter since Andy.

    Well no…..my point is that it’s not as easy as it sounds. Aside from a handful of teams everybody sucks at developing pitching and developing “ace” pitching IMO is a function of getting the talent to start with and then a lot of luck……yes the system does matter and development does matter but the new ones are gonna make it no matter where they are

  206. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Blake, the Cards offered Albert 250mm., how smart would you have said they were now given his first years with the Angels, with another 8 to go? Arod smart?

    Angels farm system which had been one of the top ones is now a shell but their roster at least has their good draft picks in Trout, Trumbo, Aybar, Kendrick,Bourjois etc.,pitching is their bugaboo!

  207. Russell Munson June 18th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    This is a $230 million lineup?

    1. Brett Gardner (L) CF
    2. Jayson Nix (R) SS
    3. Robinson Cano (L) 2B
    4. Vernon Wells (R) LF
    5. Thomas Neal (R) DH
    6. Ichiro Suzuki (L) RF
    7. David Adams (R) 3B
    8. Lyle Overbay (L) 1B
    9. Chris Stewart (R) C

  208. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Wave Your Hat says:
    June 18, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    Cardinals generally draft as low as the Yanks but they find guys.

    They are awesome…..if you want to say they are better at developing players than the Yankees then I won’t argue

  209. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    “Blake, the Cards offered Albert 250mm., how smart would you have said they were now given his first years with the Angels, with another 8 to go? Arod smart?”

    Link? No they didnt or he wouldn’t have left

  210. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Makes me sad thinking about what Hughes could have been. Same with Joba but it’s not as bad because I didn’t follow Joba’s career for 4 years :(

  211. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    “Hughes curve was rated as one of the best in baseball when he was coming up. The thing to remember is that we have never seen that pitch outside of the minors because he lost it 2 games into his career. Same with the change.”

    He developed that pitch as a Yankee and then it disappeared after he got hurt in Texas…..is that the Yankees fault? I dunno

  212. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
    ——————-

    Or you can draft a Matt Moore”

    Luck at least somewhat…..his velo jumped and made him a lot better than he was when drafted.

    Sure the Yanks need to get better at finding those gems…..my only point was that its a lot harder when you never get a shot at the best guys

    —————-

    True having that shot plays a role

  213. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Blake, if draft picks alone were the only or most important component of success then the Cubs or the Pirates should have won several pennants in the last 20-108 years, yes?

    A good admin team is as important as the one on the field.

    Cashman must go, hire Brian Sabean!

    Blake, please remember I said this so I may receive proper credit should it ever occur! I mean you are keeping score are you not? ;)

  214. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Makes me sad thinking about what Hughes could have been. Same with Joba but it’s not as bad because I didn’t follow Joba’s career for 4 years :(

    ———————

    Don’t worry, Patrick, we’ll get a sandwich pick for Hughes that you can track from start to finish.. yay! :D

  215. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
    When did Joba string together almost a full year’s worth of starting comparable to Harvey?

    2008 Joba had 100 innings @ 2.6 era, 10.6 k/9

    ——

    It was brief real brief but ppl forget how much of a buzz he created as a starter. Are they forgetting all the “Future ace of the rotation talk” Or Kay saying “Cashman sees Joba as their Verlander or Beckett”

  216. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Blake, where were Trumbo and Goldschmidt drafted again?

    And as you well know too many other lower round choices to mention here,yes?

  217. Patrick June 18th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Don’t worry, Patrick, we’ll get a sandwich pick for Hughes that you can track from start to finish.. yay!

    I’m in! Hoping Hensley can overcome his injury issues and become a big time prospect

  218. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    “Blake, if draft picks alone were the only or most important component of success then the Cubs or the Pirates should have won several pennants in the last 20-108 years, yes?”

    Hyperbole…..we aren’t talking about overall succes….we are talking about developing ace pitchers

  219. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Ugh Oh….

    Here comes the Mets BP with no outs, the bases loaded, and Justin Upton strolling to the plate

  220. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    comnsnse says:
    June 18, 2013 at 3:46 pm
    Blake, where were Trumbo and Goldschmidt drafted again?

    I didnt know they pitched…..interesting

  221. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Scratch that… McCann.

  222. Tyler June 18th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    The Hughes start against Texas was as impressive as Harvey (maybe even more so at times). He looked like a future ace.. everything was working.

  223. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Gardner has the same WAR as Goldschimdt and we drafted him in the 3rd round! We are so smart !

  224. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Tyler says:
    June 18, 2013 at 3:54 pm
    The Hughes start against Texas was as impressive as Harvey (maybe even more so at times). He looked like a future ace.. everything was working.

    Difference is that was 1 start…..not like every start for nearly half a season . I get your point though

  225. blake June 18th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    The Yankees have to get better at developing players….especially if they are gonna do this budget stuff…..no question about that.

    I hope this years draft was a step in the right direction

  226. mick June 18th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Shame- Have you seen This Is The End?

  227. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Blake the Bloviator, you were speaking of prospects ,yes?

    Did you mean only pitching prospects, only Eddie Feigner did that with two fielders.

    But of course you always manage to slip the usual disclaimer in to cya.

    “The Yankees must do a better job of player development”!

    Wow, the insight is blinding!

    Oh, and Blake prior to Gardner’s recent surge many here and elsewhere were all for trading him, while Goldy has become a fixture in AZ., 16 dingers to date this year!

    I’ll be nicer if you get smarter! ;)

  228. blake June 18th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    “Blake the Bloviator, you were speaking of prospects ,yes?”

    Lol….you talk a lot and really never say anything. Did you have any sort of fact based response to anything I wrote or just more gibberish nonsense?

  229. Ernest Perciful August 22nd, 2014 at 11:23 pm

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  230. Jonathon Mansell September 1st, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    There may be the perception from the public that safety is constantly paramount… when that just isn’t really the case. Safety is usually a statistical trade off from economics… and an example is “Miracle on the Hudson”. No river nearby and in its place of a miracle you’ve a catastrophe. You will discover several approaches that can/could be taken to mitigate this kind of bird strike accidents but none are taken because of to value.

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