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The return of Don Mattingly

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 18, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Don Mattingly

There’s a solid chance that the loudest ovation at Yankee Stadium tonight will be for the opposing manager.

“If Mo gets in the game, maybe he can overtake him,” Joe Girardi said.

Don Matthingly is back in town. It’s the first time the Dodgers have ever played a regular-season game at Yankee Stadium, and the matchup of two iconic franchises will be highlighted by the return of one iconic first baseman.

“Donnie is one of the greatest Yankees that has ever played, and one of the greatest teammates that has ever put on that uniform,” Girardi said. “I know that I’ve always loved him and appreciated what he’s done, and the fans have seen a lot more than I have. I think it will be a great day for him.”

The Yankees seem more than happy to relinquish the spotlight for a while.

“Donnie, himself, was and will always be a Yankee,” Brian Cashman said. “A tremendous Yankee. Fans obviously love him. When he left here and went to the Dodgers, the new stadium got built ,and I remember Donnie coming back on an off-day or earlier in the morning before a game at Citi Field. He came over here to get a tour of the facility on an off-day or the day of a game situation. He wanted to get a chance to look at the new Yankee Stadium. So I know he’s been here. … He’s coming back, obviously, as manager of the Dodgers and life-long Yankee who’ll always be a Yankee. I just hope we can beat him. I hope we take every game that we’re playing these guys, and I know that he feels the same way. Listen, Yankees fans haven’t gotten a chance to show him the love, so he’ll get it when they introduce his name.”

Of course, it’s hard to ignore the fact that Mattingly was almost managing in Yankee pinstripes rather than Dodger blue.

Yasiel Puig, Don Mattingly“It was extremely difficult; the process was difficult,” Cashman said. “There were extensive interviews. Our entire baseball operations team put these guys through a pretty extraordinary interview process. I had, obviously, three candidates (Mattingly, Girardi and Tony Pena). … Part of the criteria that was already set up was people who had worked with me, had worked here, understood the politics here, understood New York. Being the manager of the New York Yankees involves a lot more than just managing game strategy. It’s also trying to manage the press, trying to manage the expectations that come with being a Yankee, the pressures of winning, the politics of the front office.

“… I felt someone from that group was going to emerge from that group and be successful, and I believe I made the right selection. Joe Girardi has been a great asset for us. It was a very tough call. The only thing that, for Donnie, was difficult, was that at the time he had never managed before. That’s a hard hurdle to get over when you’re trying to put forward a team that’s trying to win now. We’re trying to win immediately, and that’s an area where Donnie — he knows the game inside out, he had the right personality and demeanor, he has the resume as a former player, he knows the ups and downs and the struggles and players can easily relate with him on that. The area that was a very difficult hurdle for him at the time — and obviously he doesn’t have that anymore to deal with — is obviously at the time, he hadn’t managed a game in the big leagues.

“So was I going to be in a position to be comfortable enough to turn over 200 million dollars worth of assets to someone who hadn’t done that before in game? That was obviously something he was going to have to overcome in the interview process compared to Joe and Tony. But he, without a doubt, was worthy. He was there for a reason. For the Dodgers, I think he was a great selection by tapping him. Now he’s a finished product and ready to go, and like every team in baseball, if he has all his assets going and healthy, they have a chance to run with a real strong, championship-caliber situation, and that’s what they’re trying to get when they get all their horses back.”

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523 Responses to “The return of Don Mattingly”

  1. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    cool sunglasses donne!

  2. blake June 18th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Can he hit 3rd tonight?

  3. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    cashman was pretty cool about klong in public. ill bet he wasn’t quite as mellow about it in the clubhouse.

  4. Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    GM

    The manager isn’t the issue with this team, it’s the roster.

    One thing that does make me a little hopeful is A-Rod’s potential return. If Selig doesn’t get in the way, I think we may see an .800+ OPS hitter.

  5. Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    I think Long stated what should have been obvious to everyone.

  6. mick June 18th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    True about Arod.
    If he , Jeter and Grandy are back soon enough we can see a team that resembles last years with better pitching and more situational hitting. Add Youk , Wells and Overbay as role players and they might even stay healthy.

  7. austinmac June 18th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    AROD is a possible key addition. Or not. We sure need him to be.

    I have no doubt Youkilis is having disc issues. That’s not good.

  8. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    ” Rich in NJ June 18th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    I think Long stated what should have been obvious to everyone.”
    =====================================
    i think you’re right in terms of everybody pretty much knew that his condition was iffy.
    cashman was specifically pisseed that long didnt bring up his thoughts or any observations that tex was missing that ‘snap’ in bp, which would be long’s department.

    in any case, i always thought this was the most probable outcome given his situation.

  9. mick June 18th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Ideally Youk and Overbay would platoon at 1st.

  10. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Chad-

    Did you manage any sleep on your flight last night?

    I was surprised by the Kevin Long comments and the apparent lack of communication. Could you ask Kevin Long if he did indeed communicate his concerns with anyone else?

  11. MTU June 18th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    YT-

    “Bohdi” was “Bohdisattva”. One of our long time posters who Trisha was particularly fond of.

    Very interesting guy. Good guy.

    He left the blog after Melky was traded.

    Many believe he has another life as JAP.

  12. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    ‘if only george was still here’ fans should note that long would not only have been fired sunday if old george was here, but he probably would have had to fly commercial back to ny and pay for out out of his pocket.

  13. blake June 18th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    “The manager isn’t the issue with this team, it’s the roster.”

    Absolutely

  14. blake June 18th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    MTU,
    How’d your art thing go?

  15. MTU June 18th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    If they do decide to can Long I hope they bring in an instructor who can teach situational hitting and using the whole field instead of just being pull crazy.

    We need to get those BA’s up.

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    The manager’s not the issue because the team is so woeful. But I remember when the manager had options that may have saved our postseason and inexplicably did not try them. Letting guys like Martin and Swisher kill us over and over again in that best-of-five vs. Detroit – and using Ayala when he had a fresh DRob with us trailing by only two runs at home in Game 2, will not leave me, soon.

    Overall, I’d like to have a manager who values what certain hitters might be able to do in a given spot and who isn’t just going to live and die by the status quo, especially in the postseason, when there’s no tomorrow. It’s also like pulling teeth to get these guys – whether Cashman is calling the shots on that or it’s left to Girardi’s discretion – to give young players a real chance, even when they call them up. The only thing that works there is desperation, being down to the last option.

  17. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    idk about the pruf-bodhi thing. that would be quite a switch in temperament. but its possible. im sure many one here have 2 or more sn’s.

  18. MTU June 18th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Blake-

    Thanks for asking.

    It is onging. I was just there for the Grand opening.

    That night I went 1 for 4. This week I open my official website.

    I’ll be called “Wind, Water, and Time Photography”.

    Hoping there will be some follow on sales.

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    MTU,

    I was here all of 2010, after Melky Cabrera was traded.

    Now, can we actually get back to baseball. I know that’s what you want, as well. :)

  20. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    i dont think long is the issue. it wouldnt kill me if he were let go, maybe a different voice could help some. but i’ve never been huge on crediting or blaming the hitting coach.

  21. Niblick June 18th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Arod’s OPS over the years:

    2007 – 1.067
    2008 – .965
    2009 – .933
    2010 – .847
    2011 – .823
    2012 – .783

    Notice the trend? He may be better than the Youk/Adams/Nix/et al combination, but he isn’t going to set the place on fire.

  22. blake June 18th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    The manager has to have somebody who can actually hit to replace the guys that can’t hit with…..Joe has nobody right now and really didnt last year either. When all your players stick their heads in the sand and disappear during a playoff series there isn’t a ton you can do as a manager……

    Girardi isn’t perfect but he’s pretty good IMO and a lot better than whoever they could get if they fired him…..he needs better players

  23. blake June 18th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    MTU.

    Cool I’ll check it out ….that sounds like a 70s band :)

  24. MTU June 18th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    JAP-

    Sure thing.

    I’ve got to run, or at least walk.

    See you all later.

    ;)

  25. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    it used to be that you could add to your screenname on here. so when i first came here i was ‘i miss bernie’.

    when i changed it, i became Chien-Ming Vase (formerly i miss bernie) for about a month. same when i switched to ys guy.

    you cant do that as easily anymore.

  26. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    There are so many question marks with the key position players on the DL.

    Will Jeter have enough mobility to play the majority of games at SS?

    Will ARod also be able to man 3rd, and generate power from his lower half?
    Will the chance of suspension affect his concentration?

    Even if Tex avoids the knife, and the inflammation subsides, there is always going to be a risk of more inflammation of that right wrist tendon sheath, that could crop up from his workouts, his batting from the left side, his throwing righty, etc.

    Can Youkilis contribute at all this year, and if so will he be relegated solely to be a pinch hitter or at DH?

    Will Granderson regain full strength in his right wrist to generate his power stroke?

  27. MTU June 18th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Blake-

    :)

    When it’s all up and runnning I’ll provide the link.

    Should be up by the early part of next week at the latest.

    See ya’ later.

  28. blake June 18th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I knew Id miss Posada when he retired but I didn’t know Id miss him this bad…..it’s not the same without he and Jeter out there. Jete will be back but realistically I know he may never be the same after that ankle injury……

    I guess I have to wrap my head around it and move on…..it just makes me feel old I guess and it’s sad that all these guys are filtering out

  29. Madrugador June 18th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    JAP
    I am not so sure it is desperation that drives the team to use young players. It could be the money. If the trigger was pulled to sign an expensive player like Youk, the person who pulled that trigger would really want Youk to succeed and justify that expense. If Musty plays instead and plays well in his place, someone just spent a lot of money for a broken player.

  30. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    MTU-

    I’ll be checking your website out too.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    There’s not a change in temperament. I have the same baseball sensibilities, the same cultural references, same, same, same. The dictates of this whole sordid business originate with like 3 people who spend the blog’s time trying to start fires with personal attacks, and feast on this kind of BS, here, day and night.

    I ignore them, even though they frankly border on a pathology of interest in whatever I say, here. Really – I’m not that fascinating. Why don’t you thinking posters who otherwise talk baseball do what you and what 99 percent of this blog does best: discussing the Yankees. Thank you in advance. I won’t be discussing this again.

  32. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    pruf, i wasnt knocking you, just pointing out that i didnt think you were bodhi. you’re all good with me, man and im glad you’re back from your hiatus.

    ill argue baseball with you till the cows come home, but i skip all those long cross-post tirades when i see them.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I knew Id miss Posada when he retired but I didn’t know Id miss him this bad…..it’s not the same without he and Jeter out there. Jete will be back but realistically I know he may never be the same after that ankle injury……
    ///

    They were two extraordinary players. We were lucky to have them for as long as we did. The last thing you want to do is see Jeter try to come back and pull up lame, but I’m not betting against him.

  34. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Mustelier.

    It doesn’t seem to be in the stars for him. When he has a chance to break camp and go north with the team, he runs into the guardrail and contuses his keecap, putting him on the DL for weeks. Then when he starts hitting again and could be a valuable right handed bat, he’s again on the DL.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    YsGuy, well I was/am, over and out. Thanks, yes, I skip it, as well.

    I think if Chad were not so busy the blog wouldn’t be allowed to run off the tracks so frequently.

  36. blake June 18th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    The Yankees should have flown Vin Sculley out and booted Kay and Co. out of the booth and had him do both broadcasts

  37. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    And (there was) a comfort level of knowing the White Sox offered him a two-year deal and that’s where he just came from.

    Of all the things Cashman said yesterday – this was the only one that really annoyed the poop out of me.

    Look, you’ve been GM for a long time now. If you know that backs are tricky then stay away from them. Just because Rick Hahn was willing to offer Youk a 2 year deal doesn’t make signing him smart; it just means that another GM was willing to take that risk.

    In the grand scheme of things it isn’t that big a deal. It’s not like the Yankees invested multiple years in Kevin so this deal won’t hamstring them going forward; and by the time they signed him the other options weren’t very good (I was rooting for Kelly Johnson) – but it’s just a really illogical move by a guy who, whether I’ve agreed with him or not, I believed always did his due diligence and this sort of backwards thinking concerns me.

  38. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    When Tex is placed on the DL today, as well as Youkilis, who comes up from the farm and who might be cut from the 40 man roster?

    Randy Ruiz, who has been out of baseball for 2 years? Dan Johnson?

    Who plays 1st tonight against Dodger lefty RYU?

  39. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    still alot of $21 tickets for the puig show tonight, i’m gonna have to get me a couple…

  40. 86w183 June 18th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Granderson has a broken pinkie… not a wrist injury.

    That said, I agree with other questions regarding the injured Yanks and if/when they are healthy what can be expected.

    The problem is the Yanks can’t invest resources on other replacements when they are already paying tens of millions to the guys on the DL.

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Madrugador June 18th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    JAP
    I am not so sure it is desperation that drives the team to use young players. It could be the money. If the trigger was pulled to sign an expensive player like Youk, the person who pulled that trigger would really want Youk to succeed and justify that expense. If Musty plays instead and plays well in his place, someone just spent a lot of money for a broken player.
    ///

    You’re right – they always find a way to put a veteran in the path of a young player who might be ready/deserves a look. Once they’ve spent the $$$, they will keep putting that dude out there, even if he falters. That’s why it has to be real desperation: like Youkilis’ back and Adams. Womack and Cano. Cash wanted to humiliate Bernie, so he brought up Melky (who was greener than green). That’s the way you get a chance around here as a position player – the only way.

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Welcome back, Donnie baseball. My Dad’s favorite modern-era player. We used to marvel at Mattingly’s slick hands when nearly the entire upper deck was empty.

  43. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Had ARod broken his wrist a few days earlier in July, would Cashman have been in on trade talks with the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez and Randy Choate, both of who were traded to the Dodgers one day after ARod was placed on the DL?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....hoate.html

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Puig will be fun to watch live. Wish he was in pinstripes!

  45. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    i was as big a bernie fan as anyone here. bernie was DONE but wouldnt accept this. the team and the fans wouldnt let him go.

    for these ‘lifetime yankee’ careers to end well, the athelete has to see when the end is near and get out or it will be uncomfortable at the end.

    this goes way back before cashman.

  46. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I knew Id miss Posada when he retired but I didn’t know Id miss him this bad…..it’s not the same without he and Jeter out there. Jete will be back but realistically I know he may never be the same after that ankle injury……

    I guess I have to wrap my head around it and move on…..it just makes me feel old I guess and it’s sad that all these guys are filtering out
    ——————————

    I think the question that this year is posing is “who is the leader on this team?”

    With Jeter out who is the guy on the team that rallies the troops? It certainly isn’t Cano. He’s a great player but I don’t see him as a leader. Is it Mo?

    Who will it be next year?

  47. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    In the grand scheme of things it isn’t that big a deal. It’s not like the Yankees invested multiple years in Kevin so this deal won’t hamstring them going forward; and by the time they signed him the other options weren’t very good (I was rooting for Kelly Johnson) – but it’s just a really illogical move by a guy who, whether I’ve agreed with him or not, I believed always did his due diligence and this sort of backwards thinking concerns me.

    ———————–

    Chip – I thought the weird thing about those negotiations was that they made an offer that was 2xs as much as he was getting elsewhere for a year and then…. they let him think on it. For like.. weeks.

    What?

    For why?

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    YsGuy, there were more graceful ways to gently move away from Bernie Williams. Cashman is gratuitous, at best, not to mention Cabrera was not ready. So he humiliated a beloved Yankee, and he threw a kid with buck fever into the deep end who couldn’t swim. There’s nothing sober and methodical about that.

  49. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    When Tex is placed on the DL today, as well as Youkilis, who comes up from the farm and who might be cut from the 40 man roster?

    Randy Ruiz, who has been out of baseball for 2 years? Dan Johnson?

    Who plays 1st tonight against Dodger lefty RYU?
    ———————-

    I think Dan Johnson comes up and Melky Mesa is dropped from the 40. Johnson has been hitting a bit better lately. Another option might be Alberto Gonzalez who has also been playing pretty well. They could play him at SS with Adams at 3b and Nix at 1b.

    If it is Johnson I think they’ll leave Overbay at 1b tonight or try Thomas Neal there (he’s been taking grounders at 1b lately)

  50. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    86-

    I was referring to Granderson’s right wrist fracture. He had one homer, off a righty in 28 total at bats before he broke the pinky. Will the power and strength in that wrist be there when he returns? He’s going to need to show teams that he can hit the long ball to generate some interest in the FA market.

  51. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    sorry, bernie was a big boy. he humilited himself, imo.

    then he did it again in the wbc.

  52. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    In the grand scheme of things it isn’t that big a deal. It’s not like the Yankees invested multiple years in Kevin so this deal won’t hamstring them going forward; and by the time they signed him the other options weren’t very good (I was rooting for Kelly Johnson) – but it’s just a really illogical move by a guy who, whether I’ve agreed with him or not, I believed always did his due diligence and this sort of backwards thinking concerns me.

    ———————–

    Chip – I thought the weird thing about those negotiations was that they made an offer that was 2xs as much as he was getting elsewhere for a year and then…. they let him think on it. For like.. weeks.

    What?

    For why?

    ——————————

    I think the reason he took so long to sign was because it was a one year deal and he knew this was a possibility.

    I mean, who is going to sign him next year coming off what’s virtually a lost year with back issues at age 35? He might find himself Kenny Lofton’ed out of baseball.

  53. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Thanks Chip. I see where Johnson is hitting, for this month, .271 with 2 homers and and 11 RBI’s with an OPS .730.

    However he’s a lefty bat.

  54. Madrugador June 18th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    JAP
    For the moment money and therefore desperation are the only drivers for playing or not playing a young player but the winds are changing. Large, long term contracts are going the way of the dinosaurs, Pujols? Hamilton? Dare I even whisper the name, Cano?
    We are stuck with several dinosaurs and given the weather, I’d have to think in for some lean years. Hey, winning is a lot more fun but watching good baseball is pretty entertaining too.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    blake June 18th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    The Yankees should have flown Vin Sculley out and booted Kay and Co. out of the booth and had him do both broadcasts
    ///

    Striking differences between Scully’s and Sterling’s final call in 1996.

    John did his usual scenery-chewing, if more frenetic “th-uh-uh-uh-uhhhhh YANK-keezzz winnnnn!” schtick, and Scully just said nothing for what seemed like five minutes (probably more like 20 seconds or so) and let the roar of the crowd speak. He finally said….”well, that says it all, doesn’t it.”

    Yes, nothing else needed to be said.

  56. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Who will it be next year?

    ———————–

    Probably Tex.

    I think Cano is the next face of the organization. Maybe that’s why he signed with CAA/Jay-z

  57. longtimefan June 18th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Cashman is full of it, always trying to spin a situation. He wanted Girardi over Mattingly so he could pull the stings and Joe dances, funny how the dodgers had no problem turning a team over to Mattingly. Cashman is constantly trying to run from responsibility, remember how Boesch was a big hairy monster that was going to crush the ball at the stadium, I guess he meant the SWB stadium, he is primarily responsible for putting together this joke of a team.

  58. Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Have to go.

    Have a great day. Until later.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    sorry, bernie was a big boy. he humilited himself, imo.

    then he did it again in the wbc.
    ///

    He got old. It happens. CF in YS will let you know, rather harshly, when you’ve had enough.

    Cashman has behaved like a punk regarding iconic and young players alike. His statements speak for themselves. Rivera did not care for how Bernie was treated; that was clear when he played coy, saying “well, maybe…” re possibly signing elsewhere. Never would have said anything like that.

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Hey, winning is a lot more fun but watching good baseball is pretty entertaining too.
    ///

    Yea and the Great Yankee Lie is that they’re mutually exclusive; they’re not. Good luck winning in anything meaningful with the cosmetic approach.

    Nobody wanted them to raze the house in recent years, just wanted to inject some youth. Now, they won’t have much choice next season, unless they flip out and blow the farm for some shiny toy.

  61. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    that just tells me that mo agreed that bernie was done. cashman only gets nasty when these guys want to keep playing beyond their usefulness. its going to happen no matter who the gm is when ‘lifetime players’ stick around too long.

  62. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I think the reason he took so long to sign was because it was a one year deal and he knew this was a possibility.

    I mean, who is going to sign him next year coming off what’s virtually a lost year with back issues at age 35? He might find himself Kenny Lofton’ed out of baseball.

    ———————-

    I totally agree with you… but it strikes me as odd that for some guys like Ibanez and Chavez, who game with much lower price tags than their replacements, were basically told to wait, wait, wait… Then we threw a bunch of money at Youk and ended up being forced to wait for him to be ready to pick us. It doesn’t strike me as a great negotiating tactic for a guy that isn’t an everyday player. There are some guys you want to retain, so you say ‘hey, we’ll wait’… but Youk?

    For how much they spent on Youk and Wells, they could have had Chavez and Ibanez for a fraction of the cost.

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Mad, just want to be clear: I think Cano will be fine and age well, if they re-sign him. I hope they do. For one thing, I don’t really want it to be down to what Cashman/Eppler think is a good return for him, and worst-case scenario, he’s a fine, aging LHDH for the park. The higher-end 2B aren’t ready, any way. I like Adams and have been advocating for him all along, but I don’t want him to follow Cano. Rather stick with Robi and see if super toolsy guys like Gumbs/Feliz can be the future. I haven’t seen Refsnyder, but he’s another one they like.

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Ysguy, Cashman’s in the Akashic records. :) You are your words.

  65. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    chavez couldnt play 3 games in a row without taking a week off last year. this year az tried to play him most days and guess what, he’s on the dl again.

    love the guy but totally undependable healthwise. no loss there.

  66. blake June 18th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    With Jeter out who is the guy on the team that rallies the troops? It certainly isn’t Cano. He’s a great player but I don’t see him as a leader. Is it Mo?”

    Id guess Mo and Andy but you need a position player leader that’s out there every day

  67. blake June 18th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    “John did his usual scenery-chewing, if more frenetic “th-uh-uh-uh-uhhhhh YANK-keezzz winnnnn!” schtick, and Scully just said nothing for what seemed like five minutes (probably more like 20 seconds or so) and let the roar of the crowd speak. He finally said….”well, that says it all, doesn’t it.”

    Yea…..it’s night and day.

  68. mick June 18th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    The dictates of this whole sordid business originate with like 3 people who spend the blog’s time trying to start fires with personal attacks
    ===========================
    The 3rd one is the mystery guest.
    I didn’t like you as Bodiswatever either…it’s not your opinions, it’s the way you express them.

  69. mick June 18th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    You are your words.
    =============
    then you better watch out…

  70. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    joe d had a tough time at the end. he sure didnt like being moved to RF and pretty much refused to play 1B and left in a huff.

    ruth wasnt a lifetimer but might as well have been because there were no yankees before him.

    he left in a huff.

    rizzuto got chopped before he thought he was done. lots of others.

    this isnt a cashman thing.

  71. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    love the guy but totally undependable healthwise. no loss there.

    ——————–

    Yes… so very different from Youkilis, who was completely dependable health wise (for 4xs as much money)…???

    :D

  72. Madrugador June 18th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    JAP
    Let’s just agree to disagree on Cano (I seem to recall we already have) 31-in-October Cano.
    He will want big money for long term and I for one don’t want to see the same discussions about Cano in 3-5 years that are going on now re Tex and Arod.
    It is the rare player that ages well in baseball. Jeter was one of the rare ones.

  73. Tackelberry June 18th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Seems like we’ll have almost a whole new team coming out of the All Star break as that is the return date of most of the injured. Granderson, Cervelli, Arod, Jeter, Nunez. Honestly, I’m not counting on Tex any time soon and YOuk for the rest of the season.

  74. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    mantle got out easy because management at the time couldnt care less how bad the team was as long as they had ‘the mick’ selling tickets.

  75. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Yankee Trader June 18th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Thanks Chip. I see where Johnson is hitting, for this month, .271 with 2 homers and and 11 RBI’s with an OPS .730.

    However he’s a lefty bat.
    ———————-

    The fact that he’s a lefty is the problem. He’s not going to start over Lyle or Hafner so he’s really just going to be a bat off the bench, not even someone they can platoon – that’s why I think there’s the chance that they go with Gonzo instead. It lets them play Nix at 1b without having to play Brignac against a LHP.

  76. austinmac June 18th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    They should bring Almonte up and platoon him with Wells. I really hope they don’t go with the released Dan Johnson. We have enouigh of them.

  77. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    not signing chavez because of his health is still a sound decision. they made a mistake filling the spot for sure, but that still doesnt make chavez worth bringing back.

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Mad,

    Agree to disagree is fine, but my point is the player is not only a great one, he’s still viable and it’s not like he’s Teix. Cano’s bat is still exceptional, and I do think the issues with LHP are to do with a lack of protection and trying to force the issue, generally. That’s gotten him out of the “do less” mentality that has made him a player with good splits.

    I also think there are different kinds of leadership, and that Cano has done a nice job mentoring Cervelli, Nunez, and Pena (now with the Braves). I would love to see him work with Gumbs and Feliz. The latter so reminds me of Cano, the way he can glide to the ball and the velocity he gets on his throws. Those two are a ways off, but they have great raw tools. I also don’t dismiss the importance of the DH. Cano has power and is a lefty. That’s extremely valuable. We’ll see what happens.

  79. Bo knows June 18th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Well, the masochistic side of me kicked in a bit, just went over to Fangraphs and looked at Beltran’s stats. Sniff, Waah!

    That’s where Cash and co crashed and burned. I don’t care if Swisher brought back, one top end kid in A ball, normally he would now be in AAA and Beltran would give them continuity. He wanted to come here. Expletive!

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Dan Johnson can only play 1B. He’s a disaster at third. Dropped a popup that he had 10 minutes to settle under. Just popped right out of his glove. Awful.

    Might as well bring up Almonte. Ideally, you’d like a SH to have longer, and his weird routes will cost you sooner or later, but this team is so in need of oxygen offensively.

  81. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Cashman says in reference to Mattingly Not being hired as the Yankees Mgr, “I believe I made the right selection”. Yea, like it was Cashman’s call alone? Coupled with Cashman Publicly throwing Long under the bus yesterday, this ego maniacal GM has got to be allowed to walk when his contract expires at seasons end.

  82. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Seems like we’ll have almost a whole new team coming out of the All Star break as that is the return date of most of the injured. Granderson, Cervelli, Arod, Jeter, Nunez.

    ——————————–

    That might not be a good thing.

  83. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    if girardi had crapped out, you’ would have hung that on cashman, so give the guy some credit when he does something right. he made the right call on the mgr. even mattingly said so last week (because he said he wouldnt have been able to handle his personal issues that first year as mgr)

  84. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Bo knows June 18th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    ——————-

    That’s the thing they said they wanted guys who wanted to be here. Beltran basically begged them to come but they looked somewhere else.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Cashman I would doubt got a weigh-in from the owners on Girardi or Mattingly. Girardi philosophically fit Cashman’s “keys to the kingdom” paradigm. It’s almost beside the point, now. They need young players to have any chance to become viable again. It’s a shame – the pitching is there, but it needs help.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Beltran basically begged them to come but they looked somewhere else.
    ///

    Twice!! He even said he’d take less money, the first time around.

  87. 86w183 June 18th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    YankeeTrader —-

    Granderson did not have a wrist fracture it was a forearm (ulna) fracture a few inches above the wrist. With fractures getting back strength is not an issue like it is with tendon and ligament injuries.

    It’s amazing how Carlos Beltran “always” wanted to come here and yet never did. If Beltran really wanted to be a Yankee he would have become one. If he had said name your price and I’ll sign it would have happened.

    What players who want to be Yankees really mean is they want the Yankees to be part of a bidding war.

  88. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    ive always been big on beltran.

    but you have to admit, at the time he left the mets his knee was a bigger issue than youkilis’s back was before this season.

    im glad he’s been healthy, but at the time, this was a big question mark.

  89. Madrugador June 18th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    JAP
    Maybe time will prove your point. I am aware of many more players who did not age well than did. I am going to go with that. I know that Philly, like the Angels, isn’t happy with their big signings either, witness Cole Hamels: 2-10, 4.40 ERA.
    What will Detroit look like in a few years when the only thing moving on that team will be Austin Jackson?

  90. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Who will it be next year?

    ———————–

    Probably Tex.

    I think Cano is the next face of the organization. Maybe that’s why he signed with CAA/Jay-z
    ———————

    I’m not sure that Tex is a real captain type either.

  91. austinmac June 18th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Mickey wasn’t selling many tickets in his last few years. The attendance was awful.

    I really hope the team doesn’t think big names are what is needed to attract more interest. Good young players would create far more excitement. I’m not sure where they come from, but p[lease no more over the hill gang members. They do not sell tickets.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Beltran desperately wanted to be a Yankee in 2005 and reportedly was willing to take a lesser contract. Bernie was his hero, he wanted to come here. George wanted to spend the $$ on Johnson instead.

  93. Bo knows June 18th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    That’s the thing they said they wanted guys who wanted to be here. Beltran basically begged them to come but they looked somewhere else.
    ————
    There’s a saying in Ukrainian “If God wants to punish you, he takes away your thinking skills.”

    What the hell were they thinking?

    I don’t care how good Jagielo is, he’s at least three years away. Swisher and Granderson trades could have shortened the offensive gap in years and Beltran was the bridge to next year.

  94. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:15 am
    not signing chavez because of his health is still a sound decision. they made a mistake filling the spot for sure, but that still doesnt make chavez worth bringing back.
    ————————————————————————-
    Yeah, not signing Chavez was a great idea… .325/.368/.588/.956.

    Chavez is definitely always going to miss time but when he is in there he kills righties.

    He signed for $3M… We could have had him for a few million on top of that, he would have been a nice platoon mate with Adams/Nix/Musty.

  95. 86w183 June 18th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    DONNYBROOK —-

    If what everyone says is true Cashman SHOULD have thrown Long under a bus. Hell if I was the G.M. I would have fired his butt. If he really could tell something was wrong from day one of Tex’ return and kept it to himself he shirked his responsibilities.

    To bring it up to reporters after the fact but not the manager, trainer or G.M. right away is unprofessional.

  96. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    austinmac June 18th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    They should bring Almonte up and platoon him with Wells. I really hope they don’t go with the released Dan Johnson. We have enouigh of them.
    ——————-

    That’s another way to go too. That said, Alberto Gonzalez is the only option where you don’t wind up with Lyle Overbay playing 1b against LHP…of course the downside is that you have Alberto Gonzalez playing against LHP.

  97. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Chip June 18th, 2013 at 10:31 am
    Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Who will it be next year?

    ———————–

    Probably Tex.

    I think Cano is the next face of the organization. Maybe that’s why he signed with CAA/Jay-z
    ———————

    I’m not sure that Tex is a real captain type either.

    ———————————

    He might not be but there aren’t many options. If Cano comes back I can see the Yankees forcing him to take a bigger role in the club house if Tex doesn’t step up.

  98. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:15 am
    not signing chavez because of his health is still a sound decision. they made a mistake filling the spot for sure, but that still doesnt make chavez worth bringing back.
    ————————————————————————-
    Yeah, not signing Chavez was a great idea… .325/.368/.588/.956.

    Chavez is definitely always going to miss time but when he is in there he kills righties.

    He signed for $3M… We could have had him for a few million on top of that, he would have been a nice platoon mate with Adams/Nix/Musty.
    ————————

    Chavez wasn’t let go because of health concerns. Chavez left because he had an offer on the table to go play in Arizona where he lives year ’round and, at the time, a back up corner infielder wasn’t a priority for the Yankees so they told him to go ahead and take the offer he had in hand if he wanted to

  99. luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Good morning still,

    Primo!!

    It’s good to see that Donnie is back… If only as the opposing manager

    Agreed on Bernie and Po.

  100. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    “Yeah, not signing Chavez was a great idea… .325/.368/.588/.956.”
    —————————————–
    hes been on the dl for a month. was supposed to start rehab last week but a ‘illness’ stopped him,, so they are still waiting.

  101. 86w183 June 18th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    The Yanks had no choice with Chavez. He wanted to be back in Arizona with his kids.

    JAP — Offering to accept a few million less in a nine-figure contract aint exactly “desperate to be a Yankee”.

    Amazing some of you are so gullible

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Mad,

    Cano is my exception, because of his position, handedness and unusual bat, but I get where you are coming from.

  103. luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    There’s a saying in Ukrainian “If God wants to punish you, he takes away your thinking skills.”

    What the hell were they thinking?

    I don’t care how good Jagielo is, he’s at least three years away. Swisher and Granderson trades could have shortened the offensive gap in years and Beltran was the bridge to next year.

    ===========================

    I likethe way you think ;)

  104. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    What the hell were they thinking?

    —————————-

    Too many yrs ans too risky lol

  105. luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Seriously though,

    I liked Ajax better than Beltran…. But Beltran was a much better option than Swisher

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    There’s a difference between that CJ Wilson schpiel about the “great Yankee tradition” and how “everyone wants to wear the pinstripes” and Beltran’s obvious enchantment with playing for the Yankees and with his countryman and idol. The latter struck me as genuine, and no one said he was willing to play for free.

    I was concerned about his knees for this second go-round.

  107. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Repeat from previous thread.

    This entire Kevin Long situation is absurd, since it is out of the realm of possibility that any coach hides injury concerns from his mgr.

    This is the Cashman distraction machine intending to obfuscate his own inept administration of Yankee fortunes,including our less the productive minor league system.

    Simply ask yourself this question, if Cashman were truly concerned about anything but his own lame butt, why wouldn’t he take his own advice and keep it in house instead of going public?

    Fire Cashman and hire Brian Sabean!

  108. Hassey June 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    if Donnie Baseball can still bend over far enough to snag a grounder, we should sign him to play 1b for the remainder of the year

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    primo! :)

    How are you, man? Agree – AJax would have been sweet, AJax and Beltran would have been nice, too, as long as his legs held up. Beltran over Swisher, all day.

  110. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    *crowd cheers…music plays*

    Luis!!!!! is back

  111. pkyankfan69 June 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Chavez wasn’t let go because of health concerns. Chavez left because he had an offer on the table to go play in Arizona where he lives year ’round and, at the time, a back up corner infielder wasn’t a priority for the Yankees so they told him to go ahead and take the offer he had in hand if he wanted to
    ——————————————–
    Wasn’t it already known that Arod would miss the majority of this season before Chavez signed with the D-Backs?… If that is the case, which I seem to remember as so, we could have offered Chavez a few million on top and got him to stay in NY. Cash is king and I no I am not referring to our GM. With Arod out and a very thin market @ 3B last winter we needed more than a back up for 3B.

  112. luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    On Cano,

    As I said a while back…. I would love to resign him… But not for 8 years more, 6 years sound about right… The problem I see in this case is that his talent will mostly be wasted, since there is an inevitable rebuilding in the cards… I don’t want him to suffer the same fate Mattingly had

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Hassey, he’d outhit some of these guys I bet.

  114. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    - 86 -
    As a GM, you do Not handle a Possible situation like the Long\TEX comment Publicly. Cashman doing so is nothing but a Grandstand Play. This is what we saw going on with Valentine and the R\Sox players last season. No one wants things to degenerate to that level.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    *crowd cheers…music plays*

    Luis!!!!! is back
    ///

    Hear, hear :D

  116. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    not signing chavez because of his health is still a sound decision. they made a mistake filling the spot for sure, but that still doesnt make chavez worth bringing back.

    ——————-

    Not filling a void with Chavez because he wan an injury risk is sound logic.. I agree. Until you sign Youk for 4xs what Chavez would have cost. Then, the sound decision making is not so sound, IMO. In fact.. it’s ass backwards.

  117. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Luis, it’s only in retrospect that Beltran was a better option than Swisher.

    The problem with that analysis is that Swisher cost nada comparably in both dollars and personnel, whereas Beltran would have cost millions.

  118. luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Hey Odds!

    Thanks… Is good to be back

  119. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “Simply ask yourself this question, if Cashman were truly concerned about anything but his own lame butt,”
    ==================================
    he was asked the question.

  120. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Shame, you’re overlooking the fact that Chavez wanted to be closer to his family and that the only “persuasion” the Yankees had was to …….overpay him!

  121. 86w183 June 18th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Simply ask yourself this question, if Cashman were truly concerned about anything but his own lame butt, why wouldn’t he take his own advice and keep it in house instead of going public?

    Fire Cashman and hire Brian Sabean!

    **************************************************************************

    Because Long MADE it a public discussion, thus putting Cashman’s credibility on the line. It’s the same reason he insisted on being able to publicly distance himself from the Rafael Soriano contract. If Cashman is lying he should be fired. If not, Long should. One of them deserves to go.

    No problem with the Yanks making a Cashman/Sabean trade. Can only imagine how successful Sabean would be with total contract and the Yankees resources. I think he’s the best G.M. in the business.

  122. luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:43 am
    Luis, it’s only in retrospect that Beltran was a better option than Swisher.

    The problem with that analysis is that Swisher cost nada comparably in both dollars and personnel, whereas Beltran would have cost millions.

    ====================

    Sure…. I agree with this… But I was thinking more about the second time around, not the first.

  123. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Ysguy, and what? I am not a code breaker!

    And I guess you expected he would give a less than self serving answer?

  124. Chip June 18th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Luis, it’s only in retrospect that Beltran was a better option than Swisher.

    The problem with that analysis is that Swisher cost nada comparably in both dollars and personnel, whereas Beltran would have cost millions.
    ————–

    Not only that, but it discounts the two years where Beltran hardly played.

    In retrospect would I rather have had Beltran than Randy Johnson? Absolutely. But at the time, with Bernie still around and the Yankees starved for pitching and Johnson coming off a very strong season I didn’t have an issue with it.

  125. Hassey June 18th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I know I am saying what many of you already know.

    Even at the low points of the early-to-mid ’80s, the old stadium was sold out every Saturday and Sunday…absolutely packed houses on 85 degree summer days. Beautiful stuff. And those crowds went absolutely bezerk for Donnie even though the front office couldn’t get out of its own way…the pitching was terrible (save Gator and Rags) and Dale Berra was at short.

    My point is that Donnie was the best memory that many of us have of our beloved Yanks for a LOOOONNNGGG stratech of time. When he hit that ALDS HR vs. the M’s in 1995, it was an explosion that must have registered on the Bronx Richter scale. I think I hugged a man, but eventually I went home with my girlfriend

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Simply ask yourself this question, if Cashman were truly concerned about anything but his own lame butt, why wouldn’t he take his own advice and keep it in house instead of going public?
    ///

    Well, yeah. How about when he traded for Pineda, and right away started in on the kid about his changeup having to be there… You THINK those things, you oversee those things…you don’t scream “develop your change or bust” to the media before the stitches are on the new uni. He’s a mess.

  127. 86w183 June 18th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    - 86 -
    As a GM, you do Not handle a Possible situation like the Long\TEX comment Publicly. Cashman doing so is nothing but a Grandstand Play. This is what we saw going on with Valentine and the R\Sox players last season. No one wants things to degenerate to that level.

    **************************************************************************

    Not a valid comparison at all. Valentine called out one of his key players questioning his character and commitment. Cashman simply answered a question based on Long saying that he could tell Tex wasn’t right.

    Again, if Long kept those thoughts to himself and then shared them with the media he should be fired. If Cashman lied about Long not telling anyone than can his butt.

  128. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Luis, even so the Swisher deal was Cashman’s finest hour/minute and more than paid for itself.

    The other fly in the ointment was and is Beltran’s injury history, check his career with the Mets who also thought they had the “real deal”.

  129. luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am
    primo!

    How are you, man? Agree – AJax would have been sweet, AJax and Beltran would have been nice, too, as long as his legs held up. Beltran over Swisher, all day.

    =================================

    In Asia at this moment…. Had a little health scare and then I had to come here for work

  130. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Shame, you’re overlooking the fact that Chavez wanted to be closer to his family and that the only “persuasion” the Yankees had was to …….overpay him!

    ———————

    By $10 million dollars..?

    Youk was never offered anywhere near $12 million from any other club. To me, this really isn’t about Chavez it’s about the clear gap in logic being applied. Chavez sounded like he just didn’t wanna wait, and I don’t blame him. I also don’t blame the Yankees for *not* signing him. I just cannot see how they got from point A to point B to point Youkilis.

  131. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    There was a lot of talk about the options acquiring Beltran could open up. It wasn’t always an either/or situation. It was a good problem to have. Grandy was coming off an MVP season and some of us thought trading him at his peak value with 2 years left on the deal would be a good idea, also there was the opportunity to move a cost effective Swish, or even flip Beltran after a year (given what the Mets got for him, it wouldn’t have been out of the question).

  132. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    luis – Hope you’re doing okay, my man!

  133. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    how good was girardi milking 113 games out of chavez last year? he hadnt been able to do that since 2006.

    and he was hurt and unavailable alot, but joe has a great feel for when to use aging players.

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    In Asia at this moment…. Had a little health scare and then I had to come here for work
    ///

    Oh, man. I’m glad you’re ok. I know you take care of everyone, but be sure to take care of yourself, my friend.

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    How about some young ones to go with the aging ones?

  136. luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 10:52 am
    luis – Hope you’re doing okay, my man!

    =======================

    Thanks Shame! I am fine…. It was just stress in the end

  137. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    86w183, again the problem with your thesis is that “Cashman simply answered a question” taken at face value.

    If it were his intention to not be covering his butt he should have said, “we’ve all been concerned with the possibility that Tex might one day need surgery”, and I’m sure Long was simply expressing a concern”!Which I might add he would naturally also say to his mgr.!

    That’s the way a “boss”handles things, he doesn’t cast aspersions on his employee when none are necessary unless he’s looking to deflect his own problems.

  138. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    With Cashman it’s All ego now. Hal and Levine have neutered the guy as evidenced at the Winter Meetings and Cashman having to get permission to sign guys like Schierholtz at $2.25 Mill for 1 season. He desperately is craving attention. Cashman is now Horshack jumping up and down with his hand raised yelling, “Mr Kotter, Mr Kotter”.

  139. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    @baldvinny

    here’s the deal w/ a mattingly roll call: i’m down to do it, but i hate getting dissed. can we get him to come out of the dugout? i dunno…

    Ahhhhhh #YankeeFanProblems

  140. Hassey June 18th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Then who is Mr. Woodman?

  141. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Woodman would be Levine.

  142. Against All Odds June 18th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:43 am
    Hey Odds!

    Thanks… Is good to be back

    ————–

    You’re welcome

    Good to see you around.

  143. luis June 18th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Comnse,

    I agree that Swisher’s move has been the best move of Cashman’s career… But I would have loved to get him a few years back ( with that 2 year deal )and put him on RF… He is a money player, while Swisher tends to over swing in key situations

  144. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Because Long MADE it a public discussion, thus putting Cashman’s credibility on the line. It’s the same reason he insisted on being able to publicly distance himself from the Rafael Soriano contract. If Cashman is lying he should be fired. If not, Long should. One of them deserves to go.

    —————

    I was actually really happy with the extended quotes… the part about the guys returning from rehab only to be re-injured caught my eye immediately. He specifically said it is a bigger problem than just one player and I hope some heads will roll with the medical staff because this is getting a little ridiculous.

  145. mick June 18th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Would that make Hal Barbarino?

  146. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Shame, as to your comments about Beltran in your 10:51 post, it;s called hindsight which always affords the commenter 20/20 vision!

    With respect to acquiring Youkilis, it’s called desperation or zero internal options.

  147. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Hal ain’t even close to cool. No way he could be Vinny.

  148. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    luis – During a stretch of time I was extremely stressed out, which is clearly not my usual disposition :D , I ended up f*cking up my jaw because of it (jokes to yourself, Chip). It can wear you down. Make sure you find a happy place to revert to whenever possible.

    Mine usually looks a lot like a bar…..

  149. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Well, yeah. How about when he traded for Pineda, and right away started in on the kid about his changeup having to be there…
    ====================
    I thought that was Randy..

  150. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    I could see Kevin Towers in his younger days being a Vinny Barbarino.

  151. Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Shame, as to your comments about Beltran in your 10:51 post, it;s called hindsight which always affords the commenter 20/20 vision!

    ——————

    No, it is not/was not. These were discussions taking place in real time when Beltran was available. All of those options were discussed here. It’s a shame you weren’t around at that time to partake. :D

  152. Bo knows June 18th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    It’s strategic thinking rather than fixing things as they break. At this point, if you count Teix, you have three Major League players. That leaves six positions to fill.

    Both Swisher and Granderson should have been trades with one year left on the contract. It’s trying to shorten the gap and lessen the risk between a draft pick and a kid already in someone’s system at a higher level.

    A Beltran signing replaced Swisher’s bat and salary for that critical second year, this year. Plus, whatever the return, it strengthened the minor system at a higher level, again closer to the Majors.

    This was discussed at length back when, now it’s just sniffles.

  153. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Beltran’s a better hitter, better OF, better arm…Swish is a good ballplayer, and he really upped his game in RF and even his throws.. Beltran’s better and has a better approach, hands down, left-handed. Ah well. Water under the proverbial bridge.

  154. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    i love it when people write these little scripts for what people ‘should have said’ when instead they just spoke the truth.

  155. luis June 18th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 10:56 am
    86w183, again the problem with your thesis is that “Cashman simply answered a question” taken at face value.

    If it were his intention to not be covering his butt he should have said, “we’ve all been concerned with the possibility that Tex might one day need surgery”, and I’m sure Long was simply expressing a concern”!Which I might add he would naturally also say to his mgr.!

    That’s the way a “boss”handles things, he doesn’t cast aspersions on his employee when none are necessary unless he’s looking to deflect his own problems.

    ==============================

    This is a good post…. Management 101, never throw under the bus your own employees, especially when you are his supervisor… He is covering his butt, and is willing to sacrifice anyone to keep his job… And if this is not the case, he shouldn’t have made that kind of comments in public.

    Got to go… See you in about ten days guys… It was good to talk a little basebal for a change

  156. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Luis, I don’t want to belabor the point re:Swisher, but he was and extremely good addition at a very modest cost and his in season numbers were in line with most other Rf’rs in the game.

    A very good player who reached his potential with us and was deemed too expensive to keep.’

    However when you combine the salaries of Ichiro, Youk, Hafner etc. maybe today you might rethink it? Particularly when you have no O.F. on the horizon in your system ready for prime time?

  157. 86w183 June 18th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Can I be Vinnie Barbarino ???

    Gotta run gang…. try not to turn Cashman into a gelding while I’m gone.

    And try not to buy every piece of rhetoric thrown out by an agent about any players’ desires. Publicity regarding a guy’s interest in a particular team is a well known negotiating ploy and usually means nothing.

    I bet you cannot find one Beltran quote when he was a free agent about his willingness to take a lot less $$$ to be a Yankee. Ditto the international free agents some of you think the Yanks could have signed by snapping their fingers.

  158. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    the onus for ‘keeping this out of the press’ was on long. there was no way cashman wasnt going to be asked about it once long shot his mouth off.

    cash let him off easy.

  159. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    No, it is not/was not. These were discussions taking place in real time when Beltran was available. All of those options were discussed here. It’s a shame you weren’t around at that time to partake. :D
    ///

    Yeah. You and some others wanted him. I liked him, but was concerned about his ongoing health issues (knees).

  160. luis June 18th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Shame Spencer June 18th, 2013 at 11:01 am
    luis – During a stretch of time I was extremely stressed out, which is clearly not my usual disposition , I ended up f*cking up my jaw because of it (jokes to yourself, Chip). It can wear you down. Make sure you find a happy place to revert to whenever possible.

    Mine usually looks a lot like a bar…..

    ==========================

    You know what’s weird? That I didn’t feel stressed… But I ended up in the hospital… But I will take your advice!! ;)

  161. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    This is a good post…. Management 101, never throw under the bus your own employees, especially when you are his supervisor…
    ////

    and this is not a unique instance. Who hasn’t he thrown under the bus.

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    You know what’s weird? That I didn’t feel stressed… But I ended up in the hospital… But I will take your advice!! ;)
    //

    Oh my, luis. I do not like hearing that. Please take shame’s advice… and maybe some coenzyme Q10.

  163. luis June 18th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:08 am
    This is a good post…. Management 101, never throw under the bus your own employees, especially when you are his supervisor…
    ////

    and this is not a unique instance. Who hasn’t he thrown under the bus.

    =============================

    His mother perhaps? ;)

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Got to go… See you in about ten days guys… It was good to talk a little basebal for a change
    ///

    primo, go relax and enjoy yourself.

  165. luis June 18th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    I will Primo… Got to go… It is nice to see you my friend… I’ll talk to you soon

  166. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    You bet, primo. Godspeed.

  167. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    i know you guys just hate cashman and reading the thread its obvious how he gets no credit when he makes the right call (girardi).

    but how you can blame the gm when the hitting coach pops off to the press i just dont get.

  168. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    all we talk here is baseball, yankee baseball, for without the Yankees there would be no blog…

  169. pat June 18th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “Even at the low points of the early-to-mid ’80s, the old stadium was sold out every Saturday and Sunday…absolutely packed houses on 85 degree summer days.”

    Perception or reality? We had season tickets starting in 1985, Mattingly’s MVP season, and we often had a hard time giving away the tickets we couldn’t use and there always seemed to be seats available day of game when we wanted to bring friends with us.

  170. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    His mother perhaps? ;)
    ///

    Well, as long as she’s not in the cellar with Mrs. Bates :)

  171. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Beltran boys, all of this is revisionist commenting regardless if any of you were for signing Beltran is MMQB’ing!

    It also dismisses the injury concerns teams had about him as “water under the bridge” as if a GM doesn’t have to concern himself with it.

    There is no comparison to make with Swisher, yes Beltran “would” have been more productive than Swish and always had better tools., but given the injury concerns and his Met history, how do you know, you simply can’t.

    But it doesn’t change the facts among them the injury concerns and his stay with the Mets which was an unmitigated disaster and which could easily have happened again.

    Swish did a great job here and had Cashman made a few more deals like his, we would be in far better shape.

  172. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    cashman was right. long is a tool. get off the hate cashman agenda and talk baseball.

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Perception or reality? We had season tickets starting in 1985, Mattingly’s MVP season, and we often had a hard time giving away the tickets we couldn’t use and there always seemed to be seats available day of game when we wanted to bring friends with us.
    ////

    Virtually on one in the upper deck through much of that era.

  174. Russell Munson June 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    My memory of the mid 80s was Steinbrenner threatening to move the Yankees to Jersey because attendance was lousy and the area was ‘unsafe.’

  175. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    if i was the hitting coach of this team, i’d be lying low…..reaaaallllll low…..

  176. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    but how you can blame the gm when the hitting coach pops off to the press i just dont get.
    ====================
    indeed.

    and to tell how tex had been hurting all along. how stupid is long?
    why does he still have a job?

  177. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Virtually on one in the upper deck through much of that era.
    =========================
    How did you “see” from up there?

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Beltran boys, all of this is revisionist commenting regardless if any of you were for signing Beltran is MMQB’ing!

    It also dismisses the injury concerns teams had about him as “water under the bridge” as if a GM doesn’t have to concern himself with it.
    ///

    By definition, it’s not revisionist if those folks were lobbying for Beltran when he was in play.

    I was concerned about his knees, others, like Blake IIRC, were not. But I’m sure his health was a consideration for potential suitors.

  179. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    My memory of the mid 80s was Steinbrenner threatening to move the Yankees to Jersey because attendance was lousy and the area was ‘unsafe.’
    ===================
    like all FA’s, he was negotiating…

  180. G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    I just started reading this thread and wanted to say one thing.

    If the Yankees ever named Tex captain, I would have to start pretending baseball didn’t exist until that atrocity was over. I couldn’t handle that happening. It’d be akin to the Jets naming Mark Sanchez captain.

    Outside of Cano, the next Yankee captain isn’t on the roster although I’m sure Girardi is pining for naming Chris Stewart and Jason Nix co-captains after this season.

    In all honesty, I think after Jeter retires, it should be awhile and no knee jerk captain should be named but if they felt compelled to give it to Cano I couldn’t argue with that.

  181. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    If the Yankees ever named Tex captain,
    ======================
    was this mentioned anywhere?

  182. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    YS guy, no one hates Cashman, hate is a distasteful pejorative word and certainly not applicable here on a sport’s blog.

    Many here including myself simply feel that his tenure as the “man in charge” since post 05 has been less than successful based on the record.

    What you’re failing to see is that in any business throwing an employee under the bus should not be necessary.

    Simply fire him if you will but don’t use it as a tactic to cover your own inadequacies.

  183. G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Beltran was a reality. He wanted the pinstripes more than any free agent I can remember. He offered to take a discount from what the Mets gave him to be a Yankee.

    It was a shame that didn’t work out, but George had a thing for the big unit since he was untouchable for so long. What never struck George was the reason Johnson was available was because he wasn’t the same pitcher at that point in his career.

    The fact that we were this close to having prime aged Vlad and Beltran in our OF stings a bit because George put personal feelings over baseball in those decisions.

    That said, at least he was big game hunting. I’d rather have an owner out there taking huge swings for the fences than an owner trying to keep things quiet inside his shoebox.

  184. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Who says the Yanks have to name a Capt after Jeet retires? I believe the Yanks went from Gehrig to Munson without one.

  185. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    maybe cash is just too honest.
    instead of just firing Long, this is his last chance and he got a warning.
    nothing wrong in pointing out that he didn’t like Long covering up for one of his guys.

  186. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Beltran .922 career OPS w/RISP, 1.1 so far this season. wooh.

  187. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    elevating tex to captain to complain about what you’d do is an interesting new way to attack tex.

    i guess complaining about his texting is losing steam.

  188. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    who’s to say beltran would have put those #’s up here with a short porch surrounded by hairy monsters?

  189. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Beltran was a reality. He wanted the pinstripes more than any free agent I can remember. He offered to take a discount from what the Mets gave him to be a Yankee.
    ////

    Yep, that’s how I remember it. That wasn’t agentspeak. I believe that was sincere.

  190. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    why would tex be named capt with 3 years left on his contract?
    jeter will still be around anyway…

  191. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    who wouldn’t take a discount to be with the yanks over the mets, c’mon…

  192. pat June 18th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Baseball-reference lists attendance. Stadium held 50000+ and only 14 games had attendance of 40000 or more in 1985.

    http://www.baseball-reference......ores.shtml

  193. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    JAP, it’s “revisionist” when you begin comparing his production over Swisher and the fact that he has not been injured and certifying those results with your own opinion which in no way dismisses the factors other GM’s had to concern themselves with.

    There is no comparison to make with Swisher nor does any amount of second guessing make any opinionators here GM’s without portfolios.

    The Cards made a decision and it’s worked out for them, not so for the Mets.

    If you’re the GM that’s what you must weigh in making decisions.

    I told George not to trade Buhner but he never offered me a job! ;)

  194. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Mick, you made a funny but in reality it’s the exact opposite!

    The Yankees historically have to overpay to attract FA’s.

    Yankee pride left the park when free agency came along! ;)

  195. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    some need to talk more baseball and not take things so personally….this blog is all about personal biases which color your opinions and nobody’s opinion is better than anyone else’s,
    therein lies the problem.

  196. Bo knows June 18th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    This Long bashing is just hoo hah. Every one and his dog knew about the LH swing. All the focus was on exactly that. Could his wrist take the torque? Obviously it can’t and won’t for a while, if ever without surgery.

    Teix was the one at fault, yipping to the press about how he was ready and the Yankees were holding him back. Put the big star vs the hitting coach – who gets the cred?

    Once again Teix gets the pass. I doubt he’ll man up and admit he was pushing it.

  197. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    The Yankees historically have to overpay to attract FA’s.
    ===============================
    Not thinking Hal believes in that theory.
    It could attract less of a mercenary.

  198. djsunyc June 18th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    my greatest memory as a sports fan (i am now 39 years old) was watching mattingly’s homerun in game 2.

  199. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Teix was the one at fault,
    ===============
    Can’t you see how insecure the guy is?
    He was afraid Overbay was about to Pipp him out…

  200. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I told George not to trade Buhner but he never offered me a job! ;)
    ///

    How does a fan expressing his/her take equate with fancying him/herself a GM? If the fan weren’t deeply interested in moves and non-moves alike, there’d be no GMs making those decisions, because no one would care enough to support the product.

    We are not GMs. Happy? Even though no one here said they were one.

  201. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    JAP, now you a providing analyses of players emotions and intentions from afar?

    Not even Kreskin can do that! ;)

    Seriously, the “word” in any profession is employees will walk across the street for more money.

    Loyalty is for recruiting posters! ;)

  202. Bo knows June 18th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Can’t you see how insecure the guy is?
    He was afraid Overbay was about to Pipp him out
    ——–
    It was damn close. Throw in a lefty basher or Youk and Teix was toast. And I never saw an Overbay bandwagon.

  203. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    you take care of pruf stuckey, I have bigger fish to fry…

  204. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    JAP, I suspect you’re a little too old to express petulance particularlywhen another poster uses the smiley face emoticon to express levity.

    So please no histrionics when none are warranted and as for your “deep interest” in what pro sport’s franchises do or don’t do, be less serious not more, unless you’re on the payroll.

    Thank you.

  205. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    And I never saw an Overbay bandwagon.
    =========================
    but you don’t know what tex “saw.”

  206. G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Y’s,

    Someone said in this thread that Tex would be the face of the Yankees going forward.

    Considering what an utter landmine his contract has been, am I wrong to be irked by someone placing an honor on him?

    You think he’s great? Why? Because he tries hard? He won a title here on the backs of Arod, Matsui, Damon, etc. Since many of our tough nosed vets have left, he hasn’t stepped up and filled any voids and instead run for cover in interviews.

    I guess you like all players who get hundreds of millions and then don’t live up to the contract and make excuses.

    He’s the furthest thing from Jeter or a leader on the team.

  207. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    be careful or you may go on the Do-Not-Talk-To List…that’s how some resolve differences.

  208. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    cmmsnse,

    Given the set of information I have, I don’t doubt that Beltran was sincere. Distinct from the lip service of my other example, CJ Wilson. But I already said that ;)

  209. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    be careful or you may go on the Do-Not-Talk-To List…that’s how some resolve differences.
    ==========================
    some would call that “grace.”

  210. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    sweeney just called mattingly ‘jeter without the rings’

    donnie was not as milquetoast as jeter.

  211. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Given the set of information I have, I don’t doubt that Beltran was sincere.
    ===================
    do you know people or is this info your biased opinion?
    (feel free to ignore)

  212. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    cmmsnse, I don’t think anyone here has a GM complex.

    Some may have a blog moderator complex, however.

    :) :) :)

  213. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    donnie was not as milquetoast as jeter.
    ========================
    respect jeter’s gangsta

  214. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Some may have a blog moderator complex, however.
    ===================
    aha! now we are making progress.

  215. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Someone said in this thread that Tex would be the face of the Yankees going forward.
    ==============================
    some have also said Cano would be the face.
    don’t see that happening either.

  216. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    cmmsnse, I don’t think anyone here has a GM complex.
    =========================
    don’t forget brett bustero

  217. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    last chance pruf, as i will be out in a minute….anything graceful you want to say?

  218. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    goodnight gracie!

    (puffs on his cigar…)

  219. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    You guys bashing a Gold Glover, that plays all the time, hits 30+, drives in better than 100, has never flunked a drug test, or been linked to PED’s, and is always available to the press, is ridiculous. The contract is a product of the front office, and they should be held accountable for that. Not TEX. Any of us would have taken that offer.

  220. G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    mick,

    You really appear to just be trolling now. I don’t get it. If you are “aligned” with the “positive” posters, why make it your business to just parse every word written on here and try to stir up trouble?

    Are you just bored again/killing time?

    As for the Do-not-talk-to list, some people abiding by that makes this place a lot more tolerable than the constant re-hashing of petty squabbles of people who wouldn’t know another if they were sitting across from them. It keeps the conversation on baseball.

    I know you want to see chaos and people fighting. It’s what your fearless leader promotes in this forum with all the baiting, knife twisting, I told you so-ing after a successful at bat or OF assist by Vernon Wells, etc.

    But I’ve seen you be better than that. You want to call people out for being dumb, you have every right. But to sit here trying to start fights all day really makes no sense.

  221. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Jeter doesn’t let the media drink his blood. Smart guy.

  222. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    The quote is, “Say goodnight Gracie”.

  223. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    How in the world would you be privy to Carlos thought process even in that exalted state of “Prufrockian” grace?

    May I sit at your feet master? ;) x’s 10!

  224. blake June 18th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    As I posted at the time….Beltran’s injury history is really primary one injury. He had the micro fracture deal but aside from that he’s been pretty durable as a player in his career.

    He has played 140 games in 10 of the last 12 seasons…..the only 2 he hasn’t was surrounding the knee Injury and he has in both seasons since.

    Dude can flat out hit and he mashes in the postseason because he mashes good pitching

  225. mick June 18th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    But I’ve seen you be better than that. You want to call people out for being dumb, you have every right. But to sit here trying to start fights all day really makes no sense.
    ================
    I’m surprised you don’t see thru me G Love.
    The ones who like to ignore are the intolerant ones.
    Let them come off their high horses and relate to those who might disagree in a civil manner and this place would be a better place to be.
    Fighting is fine, if you can make up after it.
    As far as who my leader is, please tell…

  226. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    mattinly didnt let the press ‘drink his blood?” either, whatever that means.
    but he did have interesting and sometimes insightful things to say, he didn’t take the ‘crash davis media relations coarse.
    he rubbed management the wrong way sometimes, but they knew they couldnt do anything about it because new york had donnie’s back.

  227. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    blake, I was very disappointed in the first go-round when we could have had him on a silver platter and then went after the fading RJ instead (he did a great job against Boston though to secure the division).

    I really wanted Carlos – my whole family did. The last time, I was more cautious, very concerned about his knees. I remember well our discussion and how you qualified the risk from your POV. I know others here, like JF, Shame, and people I’m doubtless no including, were really on him.

    Do I wish we had Carlos Beltran in RF right now? Uhhh….hell yeah.

  228. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    G.Love , why do people take everything a known “banterer” says out of context?

    Mick is a witty fellow and as long as he can take it as well as give it, where’s the harm?

    I mean G. these sport’s blogs to get a little too serious at times, so some of us see the funny side when there is no real news to discuss.

    Capisce?

  229. DONNYBROOK June 18th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    I can understand getting spooked off by the Beltran knee history, but Not letting Holliday get away.

  230. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Blake, so you are not discounting any GM’s decision not to sign Beltran based on a serious injury and the Met disaster? Or are you saying the Cards GM was just smarter than everyone else?

    As for his post season “mashing”, it was not in evidence in Houston, yes?

  231. RayVT June 18th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    I liked Cashman at first.
    (1.) He made me wonder a bit when he threw Bernie out as basically garbage. Sure Bernie was basically cooked, but he was still Bernie.
    (2.) Then Cash Turned on Torre. It made me wonder more. Then Joe G over Donnie Baseball seemed questionable too at the time.
    (3.) Then some questionable statements like it was him against the world kind of Mantra.
    (4.) My disgust for Cashman started with Posada & the Red Sox game. It was truly classless & despicable! I wanted Cashman fired!!!
    (5.) The divorce – well even though private lives should be private, Cashman certainly seemed out of control.
    (6.) Jeter treatment. Mo Treatment.
    (7.) Montero trade & treatment.

    In essence the overall sliminess of Cashman reeks. In all fairness Cashman has made some really good decisions. It always seemed to me that Cashman was basing his decisions on the Red Sox Nation & not the Yankees. He was trying to one up his colleague RSN GM now w/ the Cubs. It seems he doesn’t truly stand on his own 2 feet.

    IMO, Cashman wants to be the Face of the Yankees & when I think these thoughts then everything else he has done seems to correlate. Egos! Mixed signals. Excuses & blame of others. Cashman is a little man in a BIG situation and he truly isn’t capable for what he has to do. A mimic, yes. A copier yes. A control freak yes. A great GM, no.

  232. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    mattinly didnt let the press ‘drink his blood?” either, whatever that means.
    ///

    never said he did.

  233. G. Love June 18th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    In all honesty, I enjoy mick’s posts.

    I just feel like he’s sitting here trying to pull Pruf into some fight that Pruf doesn’t seem interested in.

    Move on then. That’s all.

  234. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    ” comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Blake, so you are not discounting any GM’s decision not to sign Beltran based on a serious injury and the Met disaster? Or are you saying the Cards GM was just smarter than everyone else?

    As for his post season “mashing”, it was not in evidence in Houston, yes?”
    ==============================================
    did i read this wrong. he mashed in houston 1.5+ OPS in houston PS.

  235. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Re: Beltran or any hindsight opinions of athletes and leaders in any walk of life.

    “Success has a thousand fathers while failure is an orphan”.

    Now for the record ask yourself how many failures in judgments/opinions you also had on players this organization has acquired?

    E.G. how many of you thought Burnett was a good sign?

  236. Ys Guy June 18th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    mets fans ran one of the best players they ever had out of town because he struck out once (in a NLCS where he had 3 homers and a 1.05 OPS)

  237. comnsnse June 18th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Ys Guy, post season was the context.

  238. J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    RayVT,

    I agree with virtually every word. Some of those antics made me sick to my stomach, and still do.

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    How exactly is it hindsight thinking when all this stuff was said 2 years ago? That’s foresight…..

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    Well the Cards are smarter than most and if you want to check back to my comments I said the 2/24 deal he signed was a steal and it has been……sure there is risk in anything but that was a great value for the risk
    —————–

    In fairness – that’s double the risk that the Yankees took with Youkilis who has very similar numbers to Beltran.

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    No way man…..Beltran had a .910 OPS in 2010 and showed he could still play…..Youk has looked toast for 3 years and so have his numbers.

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