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Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jun 19, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

1. Gardner CF
2. Nix SS
3. Cano 2B
4. Wells LF
5. Neal DH
6. Suzuki RF
7. Adams 3B
8. Overbay 1B
9. Stewart C
Kuroda P

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  1. PacoDooley June 19th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    I’m numb to the lineup at this point in the season – hoping that the guys on the DL return and there is a big influx of talent that can propel them to the finish and into the postseason…

  2. blake June 19th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Seeing Vern in the 4 hole is rough…..

  3. Shame Spencer June 19th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    ……….why is Wells still in the 4 hole? Overbay 8th?

  4. blake June 19th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    looks like a split squad lineup…..worse than that really.

  5. Shame Spencer June 19th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    blake – Considering how they shuffle Alex around it’s amazing Vern has earned such loyalty. His May and June numbers are so ungodly I’m surprised Mo hasn’t staged an exorcism.

  6. Shame Spencer June 19th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    86w183 June 19th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    You think they can get Shoo for one year, $ 12.5 M ? Not likely.

    —————–

    Rios would be on a 2 year deal, through 2014.

    If they can afford the LT hit in 2014 there is no reason they shouldn’t get a better/younger player for the same rate even if it’s more years. I think you can get Choo on a 3-4 year deal.

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    I don’t want Rios. Sick and tired of retreads and old guys.

    I want to see Zoilo get a real chance to stick in RF. He’s got issues as a defender, but I’m starting to think, so what. It’s not like they have demonstrated any real concern for defense on the corners and he’s got more range than *Boesch and he also has a good arm. Besides, his power potential is very real, and he can mitigate bad defense with one swing. Not like RF hasn’t been a spot for iffy OF defenders any way.

    What’s more, he earned the call up by mashing at AAA, and last year he did hit 21 dingers. I don’t want to see him sent down after one game. Good move to bring him up. Now keep him, be patient with him, and play him!

  8. onejay76 June 19th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Neal in the DH spot… sure, you can D him… but can he H??

  9. Shame Spencer June 19th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    He’s got issues as a defender, but I’m starting to think, so what. It’s not like they have demonstrated any real concern for defense on the corners

    —————–

    Yeah this. At this point you need to give to get and if it means sacrificing a little D for more O you just need to bite the bullet.

  10. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    86, now I’ll know who to blame!

    That thing ending up with Lasorda blubbering about the Dodgers and God…crap.

  11. Shame Spencer June 19th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Does this mean we’ll see both Almonte and Neal in the OF tonight? Interesting. Definitely don’t envy Girardi.

  12. longtimefan June 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Whats really coming back that can actually make an impact, Jeter and Arod are at least a month away or more barring any set backs and then what can you realistically expect from them, Cervelli no real impact there may be looking at a 50 game suspension, Granderson can add some life but not nearly enough to over come our short comings. Blue Jays are quietly climbing towards .500 and could make a strong 2nd half run.

  13. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Girardi will earn his money if he can get this team to the playoffs.

  14. Yankee Trader June 19th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    After Ryu, a lefty pitched a CG 2 hitter vs the Angels at the end of May, Mattingly mentioned his command of both sides of the plate, his ability to dial his heater up to 93 late in the game, and his quality off speed stuff.

    Hopefully the Yankees can provide Kuroda, who usually gets even less run support than the other starters, 5 or more runs for this afternoon and aYankee win!

    Go Yankees!

    I’m leaving this interesting article again on Yankee current needs before I go.

    http://www.chatsports.com/new-.....-2-8044374

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Shame, Almonte has power from both sides, too, despite his unpersuasive OPS right-handed. He just is a kid with power, and he has effortless opposite-field power from both sides. The thing is, they’re going to need to have a long view on him, if they want him to succeed. He could just hit the ground running, but he may not, and if he doesn’t, then of course they probably don’t have the attention span to let him ride out the learning curve. I think he’s ready as he’ll be, frankly, even though the righty ABs could use more time.

  16. fantasygame101 June 19th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    they can put neal on rf and dh almonte if they are concern about zoilo defense.

  17. blake June 19th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    the cumulative WAR of that lineup is 6.5. Gardner and Cano make up 4.7 of it.

  18. blake June 19th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Stewie is actually 3rd at 0.5 WAR

  19. austinmac June 19th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    The team is now in the middle of the AL East, four games out of first and four and a half out of last. Toronto is playing well now with Johnson pitching effectively and Reyes about to come back. The team needs to turn it around, but then I look at the batting order and I wonder how. Wells at cleanup with him likely being the worst hitter in baseball the last two months is not, to say the least, encouraging.

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    fantasy, I doubt they’ll view Almonte as a DH. RF shouldn’t be too bad, in the balance of what this team apparently accepts as passable defense. He’ll make some big plays, and then turn a routine play into a double. I don’t know if he can learn to get better reads or not. But they’re no longer in the position to be so discriminating about these things. They need a good young bat with some power. He fits.

  21. pat June 19th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    jnorris427
    Apparently the Yankees have signed an outfielder named Hunter Lockwood.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Yup, jmills may be sneaking back into the AL picture, having run off 7 in a row. If JJ is going to pitch like his last outing and stay healthy, there’s plenty of time for them to do something, especially with Reyes on the verge.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 19th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    http://img2.timeinc.net/people.....15;450.jpg

    So sweet!

  24. pat June 19th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    jnorris427
    RT @r_j_anderson: @jnorris427 Weird. Rays signed an outfielder named Hunter Lockwood yesterday—their 11th-round pick. //Must be typo on FSL

  25. 86w183 June 19th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Chris Stewart shouldn’t be the third best bat in a AA lineup.

    Almonte should start against all RHP. Look for him and Hafner in lineup tonight.

    Rios is 32 with an .820 OPS. He’s not exactly old or a re-tread.

    Based on recent reports it looks like Alex might be the next one ready. He and Granderson could make this lineup a TON better.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    longtimefan June 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Whats really coming back that can actually make an impact, Jeter and Arod are at least a month away or more barring any set backs and then what can you realistically expect from them,
    ///

    Well who knows but they won’t be worn down in the stretch, like they might be, given their ages, had they played all season. It’s not inconceivable that, if they have recovered from the injuries, and can get their stamina and timing back….

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 19th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    austin – as always, there is a method to Girardi’s madness and oftentimes it isn’t readily apparent. I can understand why this would appear to be one of the times. :)

    I can you give you guesses. Girardi has been encouraged by what he’s seen lately and thinks putting him in the 4 hole will actually help him to be more productive!

    Personally I would have gone with Overbey, but I wasn’t consulted.

    Let’s hope that Girardi’s roll of the dice works out.

  28. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    rooting for such a dirtbag to come back and save your team is somewhere i just can’t go.

  29. CountryClub June 19th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Yanks are only 2 games out of first in the loss column.

    I will say this, though, I think the Jays are very much in it. The other AL East teams had a chance to bury them and none of them did it.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    86, not for our team, he isn’t old.

    But a 24 year old switch hitter with doubles and HR power is my preference. Signing Rios means a guy like Almonte doesn’t get a serious trial and gets blocked. Been there, done that. They already have foolishly signed Ichiro and Wells for next season.

  31. CountryClub June 19th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    K. Levine-Flandrup ?@YankeesDraft 1m #Yankees 1st rd #MLBDraft pk Ian Clarkin has passed his physical and officially signed his full slot contract

  32. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    alex rodriguez, in the biggest moment of challenge in his baseball career went with his default option and dialed up his ped dealer to save him.

  33. CountryClub June 19th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    K. Levine-Flandrup ?@YankeesDraft 52s #Yankees 2nd rd #MLBDraft pk Gosuke Katoh has passed his physical and officially signed a full slot contract.

  34. gallagwar June 19th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “Girardi will earn his money if he can get this team to the playoffs.”

    He’s already earned it just having them in this position with this roster at this point in time. This was a 75-win team coming into the season. The team could finish below .500 and he’d still get my vote for Manager of the Year. It’s time Yankee fans gave this guy his due. I’ve seen tons of comments and blogs where people are STILL wishing they hired Mattingly, who’s been awful in LA. It’s unbelievable. Is Joe perfect? Of course not. No manager is. They’re all generally overrated. My only real gripe with Joe is his batting orders and his pandering to the veterans in that regard. Otherwise, he’s been great. A master with the bullpen.

  35. blake June 19th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    awesome news on the draft front…..only Judge remains.

  36. gallagwar June 19th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “alex rodriguez, in the biggest moment of challenge in his baseball career went with his default option and dialed up his ped dealer to save him.”

    I’m pretty sure the “biggest moment of challenge” wasn’t the 2012 ALCS.

  37. Doreen June 19th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Ys Guy -

    Do PEDs work that quickly? I mean, get a shot, get a hit?

    Seriously, I’m willing to believe ARod hired someone to steal information; I’m a lot more skeptical concerning flying the good “doctor” to Detroit for a quick fix.

  38. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    dor, idk how quickly hgh effects you physically, but i think we’re looking at an athelete who needed the psychological hit.

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 19th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    “rooting for such a dirtbag to come back and save your team is somewhere i just can’t go.”

    I’m with you on not wanting him back. MLB had been talking a short turn-around time on the hearings, so I would think that there’s a strong possibility that we won’t be seeing him this season. In addition, and I keep wondering about this, if the Yankees were smart enough to amend his contract to say that his contract would be void if he was found to be using PEDs again, his days with the Yanks could be over. (Of course there would have to be clear and convincing evidence.)

  40. blake June 19th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Again they might all bust but it seems like the Yankees really did a nice job in the draft based on what we know……all you can do is have a good plan and try to execute it and the rest is kinda up to the players….your development guys….and luck…..and it seems that DO and co. did their part this year.

  41. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Ys Guy -

    Do PEDs work that quickly? I mean, get a shot, get a hit?

    Seriously, I’m willing to believe ARod hired someone to steal information; I’m a lot more skeptical concerning flying the good “doctor” to Detroit for a quick fix.
    ___

    Isnt it more likely he called him for something to take the pain in his hip away so he could hit?

    Either way, his continued need to find these characters instead of working with the Yanees directly is ridiculous.

  42. Frankg June 19th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Brignac is a batting 4 for 40 as a Yankee. Wouldn’t Gonzales at SW be better?

  43. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Mattingly would have been a bad decision. If nothing else, he has some real personal problems after he left NY for LA. No way he would have been able to handle that AND managing this team with the NY media.

  44. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Brignac is a batting 4 for 40 as a Yankee. Wouldn’t Gonzales at SW be better?
    _

    Yes

  45. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I will say this, though, I think the Jays are very much in it. The other AL East teams had a chance to bury them and none of them did it.
    ___

    Yankees have been doing their part to bury Toronto.

  46. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    as much as i dont want to see arod in a yankees uni again, i think its inevitable that he will be.

    and as usual i will have to hold my nose and hope he comes through when he’s at bat in an important situation.

    but id much prefer not to see that.

    and its not going to be pretty at NYS his first game and especially if he struggles when he first comes back.

    you can bet they will bring him up on the first day of a road trip to give him a shot to find his swing before he comes home.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Alex at fifty percent will be a welcome sight! :D

  48. DONNYBROOK June 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Neal in the 5 Hole? If your forced to go rag-tag, Ichiro should lead off, and drop Gardner down in the 4 or 5 hole area. You gotta go with the relative “hot hand, whoever that may be. Maybe at some point Neal becomes that hot hand. Currently, that’s Not the case. Bring on Ramon Hernandez as both a back up C, and RH DH. Counting on Cervelli when at some point Bud is gonna cuff he and A-Rod together would be foolish. Also, Eric Young Jr would add depth and run generating speed.

  49. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    “Isnt it more likely he called him for something to take the pain in his hip away so he could hit?”
    ———————————————————–
    surrounded by training staff and team doctors as well as personal (real) doctors on speed dial, arod had to fly a fake ped doctor to detroit to give him painkillers.

    sure, im buying that…

  50. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Who is that guy they just brought in to DH at AAA this week?
    He has been hitting pretty well no?

  51. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Ys it just seems odd that Alex would think that injecting a roid would have an immediate effect, given his experience with it. I have no doubt if he called him it was for something illegal but i would still guess it was something related to his hip and not a PED. Maybe HGH.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    ac1, you mean the disgraced and tainted Randy Ruiz? Who we just signed? :D

  53. austinmac June 19th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    It’s very good to see the draftee signings. I would have thought Judge would be the easiest. I bet they are trying to go below slot for him saving money for someone else.

  54. Giuseppe Franco June 19th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Mattingly dealt with the NY media his entire playing career and coaching career until 2008.

    He would not have had any issues dealing with the media had he been given the managerial job.

    Whether he would have been able to handle his off the field issues during that time is another matter.

  55. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    hgh IS a ped according to mlb rules

  56. Giuseppe Franco June 19th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    I’m no expert on such matters but I have a hard time believing that PEDs work that quickly.

  57. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    ac1, you mean the disgraced and tainted Randy Ruiz? Who we just signed? :D
    ____

    Him yes.

  58. blake June 19th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    I doubt Mattingly is as good a manger as Girardi right now to be honest…..Girardi isn’t the problem…..the roster is the problem.

  59. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    hgh IS a ped according to mlb rules
    __

    I know, thats why I added the maybe HGH comment at the end.
    I agree either way he was doing something shady.

  60. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    mattinly himself said last week that he would not have been able to give his full attention to the yankees job that first year.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    More importantly, Mattingly would have used his bench in that 2011 ALDS instead of watching us flail on breaking balls with the bases loaded, time and again.

    We win Game 5, who knows how far we might have gone.

  62. CountryClub June 19th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    It’s very good to see the draftee signings. I would have thought Judge would be the easiest. I bet they are trying to go below slot for him saving money for someone else

    —————-

    It’s been reported that they offered him full slot and he hasnt accepted it. He must want more than that but I’m not sure why they would give it to him when the other 3 1st/2nd rounders all took slot.

  63. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Mattingly dealt with the NY media his entire playing career and coaching career until 2008.

    He would not have had any issues dealing with the media had he been given the managerial job.

    Whether he would have been able to handle his off the field issues during that time is another matter.
    ___

    I meant BECAUSE of his off the field issues, the media would have been all over it.
    I know he can handle media on a good day.
    He readily admitted he would not have been able to handle it based on what happened when he went to LA.

  64. austinmac June 19th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    The Yankees have added Ruiz and F Mart. A team can never had enough PED users.

  65. Money Mike June 19th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    would the Yanks look into acquiring someone like Kendry Morales? Wonder what it would cost to get him from Seattle

  66. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Im surprised they didnt look into Chone Figgins.
    A wash out vet.
    Seems right in their wheelhouse.

  67. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    joe girardi has won a WS and a manager of the year as a mlb manager. and a couple of WS as a player.

    mattingly has won what?

  68. ac1 June 19th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Most people seem pretty convinced the Yankees will lock up Judge at some point.

  69. blake June 19th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    The Yankees and Braves should both be asking the Padres about Headley….he’s really not hitting at all since coming back but he’s a good player. Wonder what the Padres would be asking now….

  70. Giuseppe Franco June 19th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    mattinly himself said last week that he would not have been able to give his full attention to the yankees job that first year.

    ——

    As I said, whether he would have been able to do it due to the off the field issues is another matter.

    The media’s role in this is irrelevant.

    The media can be heartless jackasses at times but they respect Mattingly enough to stay out of his private life.

  71. blake June 19th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    The Yanks should have plenty of money to get Judge done even if they have to go a little over slot…..Clarkin was the guy that everyone thought they’d have to pay more to and he signed for slot money.

  72. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    We’ve been bandying this lineup around on Pinstripebible.com

    Do you guys think this would work?

    1) Ichiro Suzuki (L) [LF]
    2) Jayson Nix (R) [SS]
    3) Brett Gardner (L) [CF]
    4) Robinson Cano (L) [2B]
    5) Vernon Wells (R) [RF]
    6) Thomas Neal (R) [DH]
    7) Lyle Overbay (L) [1B]
    8) Chris Stewart (R) [C]
    9) David Adams (R) [3B]

    The set-up allows Ichiro and Nix to score on all the extra-base hits Gardner is hitting lately. Gardner is second on the team in extra base-hits (4 behind Cano). It seems like a waste to see Gardner stranded on second with all those doubles and triples and nobody in front of him to drive in.

  73. blake June 19th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    maybe they should tell Judge he can hit cleanup tomorrow for the Yankees if he’ll sign…..he can’t be any worse.

  74. mick June 19th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Can’t have enough PED’s? …rather have pitching.

  75. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    pinstripebible apparently needs some hits.

  76. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Blake,

    I’d be willing to bet that the Yankees are going to take the wait-and-see approach before they start trading for the #3 hitters of another team.

  77. blake June 19th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    “Do you guys think this would work?”

    I think lineup configurations with this bunch are pretty trivial…..it’s gonna be bad any way you stack it. Honestly I’d hit Gardner and Cano 1 and 2 just because they are the only guys any good and that would ensure they hit the most number of times.

  78. pkyankfan69 June 19th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Based on our awful set of position players at the moment, I don’t think the order in which they are arranged really even matters all that much.

  79. blake June 19th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    “I’d be willing to bet that the Yankees are going to take the wait-and-see approach before they start trading for the #3 hitters of another team.”

    of course….that’s what they always do…..I’m not sure what they are waiting for however. Prime aged Arod, Grandy, and Jeter aren’t walking through that door….they need offense no matter what.

  80. CountryClub June 19th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    K. Levine-Flandrup ?@YankeesDraft 16h My theory on Judge: The #Yankees had apprx $350K excess 2012 #MLBDraft pool money. Maybe his advisor is waiting to see whats left in 2013?

    K. Levine-Flandrup ?@YankeesDraft 15h My theory on my Judge theory: Even if the #Yankees have excess #mlbdraft pool $ they wont just give it out. Dangerous precedent to set .

  81. Giuseppe Franco June 19th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    joe girardi has won a WS and a manager of the year as a mlb manager. and a couple of WS as a player.

    mattingly has won what?

    ——

    Do you really want to hit Mattingly below the belt like that?

    I can play that game too.

    Ernie Banks has won what? Ted Williams won what?

    Girardi has certainly played a role in this team winning championships both as a player and in 2009 as the manager.

    But he also had some luck on his side and was surrounded by a young core not likely to ever be duplicated again (Williams, Posada, Jeter, Mo, and Pettitte).

  82. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Hitting them 1 and 2 wouldn’t necessarily net you the most runs.

    You usually want your faster singles hitters in front of your extra-base hitters. That way the guys like Ichiro and Nix can score on any extra-base hits by Gardner and Cano. However, Gardner’s extra-base hits rarely plate any runners because – generally speaking – the batters in front of him are slower and/or have lower OBPs.

    With the loss of Youk and Tex and Arod and all the rest, the Yankees need to take advantage of every opportunity, including Gardner’s recent development of power.

  83. austinmac June 19th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    We all have complaints about Girardi from time to time, but he has done a very good job this year. The manager is not the problem. The line up is the problem.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    joe girardi has won a WS and a manager of the year as a mlb manager. and a couple of WS as a player.

    mattingly has won what?
    ///

    Like Mattingly would have found a way to not win in 2009.

  85. DONNYBROOK June 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Lineup configuration is Never trivial, it is Always critical. And justifying batting guys in the 1 and 2 Slots, just so they bat more often is laughable. That logic would justify Miggy Cabrera batting leadoff. Absolutely ridiculous.

  86. 86w183 June 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Signing of draft picks has gone extraordinarily well.

    Might be the first time in forever they end up signing all of their top 15 picks. Add to that the fact (well not fact, but my strong opinion) that this is the best Yankees draft in many years I’d give mega kudos to Oppenheimer et al.

    things have been slow with # 7 pick Nick Rumbelow because they couldn’t talk to hm until last night once LSU was eliminated at the CWS.

    Morales might be a good buy-low option, but the last thing the Yanks need is someone who can only DH and play 1B. They need a RH bat for the OF and LH bat for 3B.

  87. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    pkyankfan69

    I disagree.

    If you look at it from a ranking standpoint, it could easily make the difference of three or more runs a week. Nobody is going to claim that changing the order is going to make the Yankees the top offensive team in the League. But it could easily be the difference between having the 22nd ranked offense and having the 17th.

    Between the two, there are alot of wins to be had between the Yankees pitching and the Bullpen.

    The Yankees are not a Home-run-hitting ballclub right now. But they don’t need to be. They can do their damage with extra-base hits like all the other top teams in the League. Gap-to-gap hitters can drive in as many runs if not more than any home-run hitter. Yadier Molina and the Cardinals are the perfect example of that. And Yadier Molina (all of 4 home-runs) plates plenty of runs with his extra-base hits in part due to the speed of the batters in front of him and his position in the order.

    At this point, Gardner is one of the better hitters the Yankees have and has as many extra-base hits as Molina (and 4 behind Cano). It makes sense to use him as such and take advantage of his development.

  88. 86w183 June 19th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    What I’m hoping on bonus $$$ is that if the Yanks can save $ 500 K or more on the top ten that they’ll use some/all of that to sign the three guys who they drafted later who slid because of signability issues:

    # 25 LHP Jordan Floyd — College pitcher with excellent fastball/changeup combo
    # 26 RHP Cal Quantrill — Paul’s son, may want guarantee Torre will never manage him

    # 30 OF Cody Thomas — GREAT athlete, football/baseball combo recruit to Oklahoma

  89. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    DONNYBROOK

    Indeed, I think the “bat better hitters at the top is overly simplistic and unrealistic.

    Girardi knows better.

    But I think he should go back to his days in the Marlins organization when he had to be creative with what he had. Players that are pigeon-holed for a particular role due to their size and speed don’t necessarily belong in a particular position.

    Nobody believes Dustin Pedroia should be removed from the #3 spot in Boston’s lineup just because he’s small and fast. And Pedroia has shown less power this year than Gardner.

    So a lineup comparable to

    1) Ichiro Suzuki (L) [LF]
    2) Jayson Nix (R) [SS]
    3) Brett Gardner (L) [CF]
    4) Robinson Cano (L) [2B]
    5) Vernon Wells (R) [RF]
    6) Thomas Neal (R) [DH]
    7) Lyle Overbay (L) [1B]
    8) Chris Stewart (R) [C]
    9) David Adams (R) [3B]

    …actually seems like a no-brainer with the current players that we have.

  90. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Blake,

    So who do you want the Yankees to trade for? What position will that person play? And what spot in the order is that person going to take?

  91. RadioKev June 19th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    CountryClub June 19th, 2013 at 11:37 am
    K. Levine-Flandrup ?@YankeesDraft 16h My theory on Judge: The #Yankees had apprx $350K excess 2012 #MLBDraft pool money. Maybe his advisor is waiting to see whats left in 2013?

    K. Levine-Flandrup ?@YankeesDraft 15h My theory on my Judge theory: Even if the #Yankees have excess #mlbdraft pool $ they wont just give it out. Dangerous precedent to set .
    ————

    It would be nice to get Judge. They have room to negotiate, but passing on him wouldn’t be the end of the world. He’s going to be a project.

  92. RadioKev June 19th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Indeed, I think the “bat better hitters at the top is overly simplistic and unrealistic.
    ———–

    Yeah? Why’s that?

  93. blake June 19th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    “So who do you want the Yankees to trade for? What position will that person play? And what spot in the order is that person going to take?”

    well the trade market is just now forming so I’m not sure to be honest…..it may be that they are stuck and can’t do anything and if so they’ll just have to make due…..but this lineup likely isn’t going to be good enough to win a title and might not be good enough to make the playoffs so if they have those aspirations then Cash needs to be looks for upgrade any and everywhere and I think he probably is. They need 3B help, SS help, Corner OF help, catcher help……any of those spots could be upgraded and help the team.

  94. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    RadioKev

    For the logic DONNYBROOK gave: You don’t bat Miguel Cabrera as lead-off.

  95. RadioKev June 19th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    The big difference makers the Yankees can add are Jeter and Granderson. I would say Alex, but it’s just so likely he gets suspended. A matter of when.

    Maybe Adams or Mustelier can do something too. Maybe JR Murphy mashes and takes the starting position by storm. That’s about it, I think. I don’t see the answer in the trade market.

  96. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Right Blake, but I was asking for a name? :P

  97. RadioKev June 19th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    RadioKev

    For the logic DONNYBROOK gave: You don’t bat Miguel Cabrera as lead-off.
    ———

    We don’t have Miguel Cabrera to bat lead off, so who cares about that logic anyway? By the numbers it makes sense to group your best players together, and to give them as many at bats as possible.

    Just sticking some guy between Gardner and Cano doesn’t help you unless the player is good. The Yankees don’t have a third guy. A below average player should not be hitting before Cano.

  98. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    There isn’t likely to be a difference-making trade unless the Yankees are willing to break their pledge to cap their spending.

    Of course, it isn’t a “pledge” that stops them from spending, but more likely their current financial straits, much like the Mets – albeit the Yankees are not as dire as the Mets.

  99. 86w183 June 19th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    I thinking failing to sign Judge would be a very big deal.

    The Yankees don’t have nearly high end athletic types in the organization and Judge has the potential to be a long term solution in RF.

    Two years ago the Yanks didn’t sign their # 10 pick. Jonathan Gray got a fortune this year as the third overall selection. When you draft high ceiling players, sign ‘em.

  100. RadioKev June 19th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Jayson Nix has a 75 OPS+.

  101. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    “Athletic types” and “Body types” are over-rated.

    You’re better off watching someone develop through your minor league system than giving him a boat-load of cash and hoping he’ll make it through the minors.

    Once they get to the majors, then you can throw money at them.

    There are too many “sure-thing” prospects who don’t pan out for Judge to have much negotiating leverage. And Judge is not considered a “can’t miss” prospect by a long shot.

  102. 86w183 June 19th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Best available OF trade targets are probably Josh Willingham and Alex Rios. The fantasy is getting Giancarlo Stanton from Miami.

    Chase Headley is clearly the best long term 3B option. Aramis Ramirez is more likely.

    Problem is both Rios and ramirez are signed for next year.

    It’s easy to want help. But good help is hard to find.

  103. RadioKev June 19th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    86w183 June 19th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    I thinking failing to sign Judge would be a very big deal.

    The Yankees don’t have nearly high end athletic types in the organization and Judge has the potential to be a long term solution in RF.

    Two years ago the Yanks didn’t sign their # 10 pick. Jonathan Gray got a fortune this year as the third overall selection. When you draft high ceiling players, sign ‘em.
    ———–

    We’d get the pick back if he doesn’t sign. Obviously they want to sign Judge, but it’s not the end of the world if they don’t. Gerrit Cole turned into Slade Heathcott. They’ll get another shot at talent.

  104. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Radiokev

    What about it?

    So he hasn’t been slugging much…but he’s at the top to get on base, not to necessarily drive in runs.

  105. 86w183 June 19th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    “Athletic types” and “Body types” are over-rated.

    You’re better off watching someone develop through your minor league system than giving him a boat-load of cash and hoping he’ll make it through the minors.

    **************************************************************************

    So your approach to the draft is what? Take guys you know will sign? Make one take it or leave it offer to your draft picks and then move on?

    Neither makes a bit of sense.

  106. RadioKev June 19th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    Radiokev

    What about it?

    So he hasn’t been slugging much…but he’s at the top to get on base, not to necessarily drive in runs.
    ————

    His OBP is .319. That’s good for 4th best on the team, but I really don’t think it’s effective put an OBP like that between Gardner and Cano.

  107. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    86w183

    The Yankees will shop within their own system long before they venture outside of it.

    The Yankees are no longer keen to spend stockpiles of cash on the hope of getting a Ring or even a divisional pennant. I am of the mind that the reasons are out of necessity rather than pique;

    “Oh we’ve decided to follow a 20 year-old New Year’s resolution to become frugal just because….”

    No, the Yankees are being frugal because they’re in choppy financial waters…they won’t make a move outside the organization that involves taking on big contracts with short-term gain. Forget Rios and Willingham. Just focus on what you have and maximize it like the Rays do.

  108. 86w183 June 19th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    RadioKev —-

    I don’t know what you mean by saying not signing Judge “wouldn’t be the end of the world”.

    Well what would be? An 0-162 season wouldn’t be. Its a meaningless phrase.

    Signing high draft picks is either important or you should sit out the draft. The didn’t sign Gerrit Cole and got Slade Heathcott. Guess which one has more value now. It aint close.

    They didn’t sign 10th rounder Jonathan Gray in 2011. He was a big arm, raw kid. He was the third overall pick this year.

    You need to bring as much talent into the organization as possible.

  109. mick June 19th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    If the lineup is the problem and they happen to win it all , would it still be the problem.
    Even if they didn’t win it all…

  110. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    RadioKev

    It’s effective based on how and where you use it.

    If he were hitting 3rd or 6th in the order, yes, it would be a problem.

    But he hits 2nd or bottom-of-the-order. And the requirements there are different. If you had a choice between a high OBP% or a high SLG% for your #2 hitter, it’s a no-brainer: You want high OBP%. Your lead-off man and 2-Hole batters are not sluggers. They CAN be, but that’s not their primary role. Their job is to get on base.

    It’s your #3 through #6 batters who are supposed to be high SLG% hitters. This allows those fast runners at the top of the lineup to score on just ONE extra-base hit from teh high SLG% hitters.

    Do I want a 2-Hole hitter to have high SLG%?

    Yes, but Irrelevant because it’s either here nor there.

    We work with what we have, and Nix is the perfect 2-Hole hitter right now. He breaks up the lefties with his Right-handed bat, has lots of speed to steal bases, can score on any extra-base hit from first, and gets on base at a decent clip.

    The problem I have is Gardner’s position in the Lead-off. That should be Ichiro’s spot.

    Gardner (he with the second highest SLG% on the team being wasted at lead-off) should be hitting #3, while Cano cleans-up at #4.

  111. Terrekain June 19th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    And on that note, I have no idea what Ichiro is doing at the #6 spot.

    The guy has all of 10 extra base hits. He’s a singles hitter, and he’s not going to drive many baserunners in with a singles. His speed should be utilized in FRONT of the sluggers, not behind them.

    There are generally two categories in which teams drive in their runs. One philosphy is to do it with high OBP% and Homeruns, speed not being much of a factor. This is traditionally how the Yankees scored a majority of their runs.

    The other philosophy is to do it by meshing fast baserunners and extra-base hits.

    The Yankees are doomed if they continue to cling to the Homerun philosophy, and that is the weakness of this current lineup Girardi just sent out; it’s mired in a homerun philosophy without many homerun hitters.

    It’s not that it can’t work, it’s just that it doesn’t work as well when Granderson, Tex, Arod, etc are not available.

    Girardi has to start focusing on putting the higher SLG% (not just homerun hitters) in the middle of the order. A fast set of baserunners along with doubles and triples can score as many runs as the homerun philosophy – more runs when you don’t have alot of homerun hitters.

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