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Yankees postgame: Nothing to see here

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jun 19, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Robinson CanoThe second game of this doubleheader against the Dodgers won’t be included in the Yankees’ highlight video. Phil Hughes wasn’t good again. And the offense was nearly nonexistent again, like it was before the finale of the road trip and the first game of this doubleheader. It added up to a 6-0 loss, leaving the Yankees at 39-32.

The offense managed three singles, all off starter Chris Capuano, who worked six. Two were infield hits. Robinson Cano was the only one to reach the outfield with a hit and he got thrown out trying to stretch it. That was in the fourth, and it was the Yankees’ final hit. They had just one baserunner to show for their last 18 trips to the plate — Jayson Nix getting drilled by Brandon League in the ninth.

Lyle Overbay, who had one of the infield hits, said the lefty Capuano kept the ball down, mixed his pitches and had the Yankees off balance.

“We couldn’t get anything going,” Overbay said.

The erratic Hughes had his second straight substandard start. He gave up four singles to start the game, down 2-0 just like that. He allowed five runs and 10 hits over six.

“I really didn’t have good control in the first inning,” Hughes said. “From then on, it was a struggle to find any sort of rhythm.”

Back to the offense, Vernon Wells went 0 for 7 in the doubleheader, leaving him at a nearly unfathomable 9 for his last 87. It’s hard to remember his fast start now. Zoilo Almonte made his major-league debut, grounding out as a pinch hitter in  the ninth.

The Yankees were blanked for the sixth time this season. They have dropped six of their last eight overall. With the split, they are 14-1-18 in twinbills since 2000.

Photo by The Associated Press.

 

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410 Responses to “Yankees postgame: Nothing to see here”

  1. Tar June 19th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    The Astros have now scored more runs than the Yankees have. :sad:

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 19th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    repost:

    Bojy!!!! So nice to see you around!!!

    ************

    1. I loved George. George loved the fans, and he lived to win. He put HIS money where his mouth was. I don’t care that he reamed out players if he felt they were partying too much and not producing because of it. Newsflash. It was his team.

    2. If George were alive, Hughes would have been yanked from the rotation and either sent to AAA or to Tampa. He did it to Cone when Cone was continually stinking up the joint, and Cone had been a top-notch pitcher. Torre couldn’t see his way out of a paper bag when it came to playing favorites, so he was ready to keep trotting Cone out there – until George called a halt.

    3. I have eyes and can see that Vernon Wells isn’t producing. While I can’t say he will never produce again, I can say that I believe Joe would be doing him and the team a great favor if he “rested” him for a while. While I’d like to keep making excuses and saying it is unequivocally a slump, he’s getting unlucky breaks, the umpire is making bad calls, etc., those things would ring so hollow as to undermine any credibility that I may have.

    4. It’s painful to hear anyone try to keep making excuses for Hughes. Sometimes you have to call it the way it is, no matter how much love you’ve sunk into a player. Are you about the team or about a player? Well if the team is being hurt – and a pitcher certainly can hurt a team a lot more than one position player since he’s really the pivotal player in the game – then it’s time to make some changes, whatever they are. You put someone in the pen, you send the to AAA if they have options, you send them to Tampa to work on their stuff, you do anything except keep trotting them out there a la Cone!

  3. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    Do they really have to wonder about ratings and attendance being down when they trot out has-beens like Wells and think it’s a compelling story?

    When it comes to marketing and understanding what animates fans, Hal’s acorn fell miles away from George’s tree.

  4. Run it Out June 19th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Hughes does not have options. Are you going to release him? He’s so bad nobody will pick him up right?

  5. Captain Clutch June 19th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    The Yanks are lucky that Mo is retiring so fans will come to the games in September to see him. Otherwise it would be completely empty. This organization is sad all the way around.

  6. Ys Guy June 19th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    ” J. Alfred Prufrock June 19th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Someone needs to tell Hal and Cashman that it’s a risk to wake up in the morning.”
    ================================
    best comment on the game post.

    different theories of where to take that but we’re in agreement there.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Run it Out – then how about the bullpen? Let’s give Warren his next start.

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Run it Out – then how about the bullpen? Let’s give Warren his next start.

  9. austinmac June 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Cespedes and Puig are athletes that gravitate to football in the US. Very impressive. I like the enthusiasm. It beats jogging on the bases.

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    lohudophrenia noun

    Definition of LUHODOPHRENIA

    1: the act of wailing so loudly about the offense after a game in which the Yankees failed to score that you can’t hear someone trying to get your attention to tell you that they scored 6 runs that same afternoon and 6 runs in the game before that

    2: refusing to acknowledge that the offense has recently put up more than zeroes

  11. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    “Cespedes and Puig are athletes that gravitate to football in the US. Very impressive. I like the enthusiasm. It beats jogging on the bases.”

    And they didn’t need the development that younger, less experienced amateurs do. Which would have made them a perfect fit for the Yankees, especially given the abundant age on the team and lack of ML ready mL bats. But the people who make decisions are lost right now.

  12. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    Rich in NJ June 19th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    Do they really have to wonder about ratings and attendance being down when they trot out has-beens like”…

    jesse barfield, the best player on the team that george left when he was suspended?

    danny tartabull?

    do you realize that lee gutterman was the winningest pitcher on the yankees when george was suspended?

  13. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Tar, thanks for your comments on the previous thread.

    I don’t really care whether Random Commenter X does or doesn’t believe that I possess a particular piece of common historical knowledge, but it was really odd that he was so insistent that I was being phony and that I must have googled the info, so I wanted to play it out a bit to get a sense for whether there’s any reason to pay attention to or engage with that guy in the future. People have bad nights — and bad weeks — so the jury is still out, but their brows are furrowed.

  14. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    yeah, 11 wins, lee gutterman. he wasnt even in the rotation for most of the year. lee f’in gutterman, thanks george.

    of course, tim leary was next at 9 wins. what a trip!

  15. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    “jesse barfield, the best player on the team that george left when he was suspended?

    danny tartabull?

    do you realize that lee gutterman was the winningest pitcher on the yankees when george was suspended?”

    Why do you use such a skewed and constricted time horizon and think that it’s conclusive of anything.

    The man’s record, albeit flawed, spanned almost 40 years. He turned around a once great franchise that had become moribund by buying stars, and at least for a while, benefiting from Gabe Paul’s smart trades.

    He turned a $10m investment into a billion dollar empire.

    Sure, he was maniacal at times, but whose money do you think enabled them to keep the young homegrown stars that Stick assembled that formed the founation of the team that won 5 rings?

    Whose money paid for Clemens, El Duque, Moose, A-Rod, and Giambi (who was a much better player on the Yankees than Tex has been)?

    I don’t know what team you watched over George’s tenure, but to think that it is best characterized by Barfield, Tartabull and Gutterman is bizarre.

  16. Tidrow June 20th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    Can you name one everyday player or starter on this team who is in his prime and playing up to his potential? Can you really expect a team so devoid of top notch talent to contend for a division title or wildcard much less a championship? Open your eyes people this is a sinking ship that will not be righted by the return of guys like Jeter, Granderson or ARod. Time to really decide who you want to build around moving forward and trade off the rest of the players to try to get some type of decent return. Those who don’t fit either category send em packing.

  17. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    but, yeah, george ALWAYS WANTED TO WIN’
    somehow it ended up that doing things ‘george’s way’ (‘always wanting to win’) resulted in the value of the franchise increasing exponentially while they won the fewest championships in any 26 year reign of ownershp.

    owners making tons of money while the team can’t make the PS…..hmmm what a GREAT OWNER!”

    ill take my chances making the playoffs pretty much every year while the franchise valuation still increases.

    and we don’t have a dick owner.

  18. Duh Innings II June 20th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    First RIP James Gandolfini.

    Why is Zolio Almonte making his MLB debut PINCH-HITTING when he should be playing every day?

    The Yanks should release Suzuki now, designate Neal for assignment, bench Wells (release him in the offseason), start Almonte in LF, Boesch in RF.

    If the Angels can eat I believe $28.1M of Wells’s remaining contract (since he’s due $42M for 2013-14 and the Yanks are paying $11.5M of it this year and $2.4M of it next), the Yanks can eat the remainder of Suzuki’s $6.5M for this year and $6.5M for next and Wells’ $2.4M for next year. There is no reason whatsover to play Suzuki and Wells every day anymore other than to put up this front that it’s better to have veterans out there every day than kids when it is not. Suzuki and Wells are two hasbeens taking up space i.e. plate appearances from Almonte and Boesch – that has to stop.

    C – Romine then Cervelli when he comes back (if he does)
    1B – Overbay the rest of the year (why not for the paltry $1.2M he’s making?)
    2B – Cano (look into trading him as .279 BA and .352 OBP are not star deserving 6-8 years and $22-27M a year numbers)
    3B – Adams (let him play)
    SS – Nix (only because there are no alternatives in AAA)
    LF – Almonte (enough of Suzuki)
    CF – Gardner (sign this guy to an extension already)
    RF – Boesch (enough of Wells)
    DH – Hafner (leave him be as he’s doing well)

    Bench: Stewart, Brignac, Wells, Mustelier when he’s healthy enough to be called up

  19. Hankflorida June 20th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    Once Musty and Boesch get off the DL, they will be replacing some of the dead wood on the Yankees. The fact that they pitch hit for Adams with Brignak may mean that Musty is the next to play third, and that Boesch may be playing even when a leftie is pitching holding down the fort till Granderson gets back. Boesch like Overbay can spray the ball to all fields and still take advantage of the right field porch. Giradi has to juggle his line up with these players up from the minors until he can find some hot hands because the trading market with next years cap looming takes
    away many of his options and hope that he can win with pitching and defense.

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 20th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Duh – Suzuki has hands down been our best all-around player of late, sharing honors with Overbey. We need Suzuki out there!

  21. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    ” 12:23 am

    First RIP James Gandolfini.

    Why is Zolio Almonte making his MLB debut PINCH-HITTING when he should be playing every day”-
    ______________________________________________
    he’s up, he’ll play, relax.

  22. Run it Out June 20th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue June 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am
    Run it Out – then how about the bullpen? Let’s give Warren his next start.
    *******************************************************

    That’s fine if you feel Hughes has no value on the trade market.

  23. G. Love June 20th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    After taking in both ends of the double header (that’s what she said) I can assure you I will never attend another Phil Hughes start at Yankee Stadium. It’s simply not worth the time or the money.

    Forget about trading him. You won’t get anything for this pitcher.

    And Cashman should never credit himself for developing this mess of a major league starter. Hughes isn’t an accomplishment. He’s a cautionary tale.

    But the “coaches son” will live on in our rotation until the contract Gods set us free from him unless Cashman brain farts him into an extension.

    He doesn’t fit the ballpark. He doesn’t fit NY. And he doesn’t fit the Yankees.

    And all the love of him being a top prospect can’t change any of that.

    The first game was a pleasure to watch because the team competed on both sides of the ball and pulled it out.

    Seeing them lay down while Hughes served the Dodgers dessert…well, I just have no desire to see the kid pitch anymore. Let him run to San Diego already and win his 12 games a year. It’s never happening for him here and the only one’s who aren’t admitting it are the manager and the front office who still cling to him as some example of them doing something right in an area they’ve been nothing but wrong in for the most part.

  24. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    but, yeah, george ALWAYS WANTED TO WIN’
    somehow it ended up that doing things ‘george’s way’ (‘always wanting to win’) resulted in the value of the franchise increasing exponentially while they won the fewest championships in any 26 year reign of ownershp.

    owners making tons of money while the team can’t make the PS…..hmmm what a GREAT OWNER!”

    ill take my chances making the playoffs pretty much every year while the franchise valuation still increases.

    and we don’t have a dick owner.
    __

    This is crazy.

  25. Run it Out June 20th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    Putting Hughes in the pen will not help the offense. Trading him may help the offense and I think his value is higher than many think.

  26. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    Hughes hasn’t been the same since the 2007 hamstring which caused him to lose leg extension, and with hit his plus, if not plus plus, curve and command.

    That is not the biggest problem with the current team.

  27. G. Love June 20th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    And if you’re seriously saying the Yankees should DFA Ichiro, then you’re not a Yankee fan. You’re just a prospect fan.

    Ichiro plays hard, is helping win games and is doing a lot better than most of the stiffs on this team. He’ll be hitting .300 shortly on the season.

    You either want the team to try to win or you want them to lose just so you believe they’ll play young players exclusively, which by the way they will never do.

    Ichiro helps win the 1st game, has been our hottest hitter by a mile and people are seriously calling for his head? Are you kidding me?

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 20th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    “That’s fine if you feel Hughes has no value on the trade market.”

    Run – is it possible that some team sees value in him because he has some good days and their field is so large that no one’s ever hit a homer there? Maybe. I don’t know what teams are looking for and exactly what they value. I just know that he’s become a total albatross for us and the pitching albatrosses are the very worst kind to have because they dictate whether the opposition puts up zeroes or crooked numbers. They can singlehandedly kill you — and Hughes has done just that.

  29. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    Not wanting Ichiro was about 2014 if they are going to shrink payroll, but if you only hit for AVG and don’t walk or SLG, you really have to hit .320.

    But the only player who should be DFA’d is Wells.

  30. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    please point out to me when the yankees won only 2 championships in any 26 year period.

    or do you credit the dynasty to george?

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 20th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    “Putting Hughes in the pen will not help the offense.”

    Well actually it will because there’s easier breathing and much less tension when you don’t have to continually climb out of pitching-induced holes!

  32. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    ” resulted in the value of the franchise increasing exponentially while they won the fewest championships in any 26 year reign of ownershp.”

    To this uninformed point, there was something called the amateur draft that was put in place in 1965 having a bigger effect on parity than anything since.

  33. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    Look up:

    “please point out to me when the yankees won only 2 championships in any 26 year period.”

  34. G. Love June 20th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Rich,

    I honestly think by season’s end Ichiro will be hitting close to .320. It’s all starting to click again like it did after he was dealt here. If we’re making the playoffs, he’s going to be a big part of it.

  35. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    G. Love

    I love (no pun intended) being wrong when it benefits me. So if it happens, great. For now, I’ll take the under.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 20th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    Anyway Run, I think I read earlier that they are not ruling out someone else starting in Hughes’s place next start. At least I think that’s what I read. I hope it’s true.

    Night all.

  37. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    …that’s right, ‘george’s way’ was in fact the worst period in yankee history according to championships won.

    unless you count the 90s dynasty to george.

  38. Run it Out June 20th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    I would think there are conversations ongoing re. Hughes trades. Many teams have not decided whether they are buyers or sellers and therefore the firm list of suitors has not been determined.

  39. igotid88 June 20th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    I posted it before and My9 showed it today. Hughes had similar numbers last year but had more wins last year. He is a second half pitcher.

  40. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    “…that’s right, ‘george’s way’ was in fact the worst period in yankee history according to championships won.”

    This is now getting funny.

    “unless you count the 90s dynasty to george.”

    Of course, the ’90s dynasty is credited to George’s tenure. He hired Stick and Buck and signed the checks. Was he stupid to get rid of them? Absolutely, but he still signed the big checks so it’s on his watch.

  41. Tar June 20th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    Nick

    No problema. I am not shocked by anything you pull off the top of your head. I guess he doesn’t know you like I do :wink: . But the weird part is even if you didn’t, what would be the purpose of lying about it? Crazy stuff

    Anyway, like I said he was out of line.

    Good night all.

  42. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:46 am

    But for George, Hal, instead of running a billion dollar corporation, is telling people at the country club about how his grandfather the shipbuilder was still able to create a single digit million dollar trust fund for him.

  43. Run it Out June 20th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    Hughes had similar numbers last year but had more wins last year. He is a second half pitcher.
    *******************************************************
    I’m sure teams who may have interest in Hughes at the trade deadline are looking at the same stats. Team management isn’t about emotions like fans are.

  44. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    ‘second half pitcher’, that’s what i’d be trying to sell the giants and padres on…

    …which is to say “maybe your stadium is big enough that some of the bombs they hit off him will be caught”

  45. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    .320 sounds ambitious, but I love what Ichiro has been doing lately.

    Y’s Guy, Rich is absolutely correct that the system in place now is wildly different from that in place during the glory decades of Yankee history.

    That aside, you seem wildly biased when you want to give George credit for certain championships but not certain other championships on the one hand, but on the other hand you give all previous owners credit for all other championships? How does that work?

  46. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:49 am

    Hughes has value, but it’s diminishing. He’s young enough and has enough of a resume to interest some teams.

  47. Rich in NJ June 20th, 2013 at 12:49 am

    GN all.

  48. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    “This is now getting funny.”
    ———————–
    no, just uncomfortable for the ‘if only george were still alive’ crowd.

  49. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    :”just where we expected you to go…”
    you seem wildly biased when you want to give George credit for certain championships but not certain other championships.
    ——————————————————-
    how long has brian cashman been gm?

  50. UnKnown June 20th, 2013 at 12:55 am

    One thing I do know and is complete FACT is that calling Wellsy Washed Up is disrespectful to driftwood everywhere. Toast City USA

  51. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    “how long has brian cashman been gm?”

    I’m not sure of the precise length of his tenure and I’m sure as hell not going to google it right now. ;)

  52. Tyler June 20th, 2013 at 12:58 am

    Good to see that the Yanks put up a fight while I was at work. Hughes might turn out to be a quality starter one day but it’s pretty evident that it’s not happening as a Yankee. If they can still get anything decent for him, I’d deal him quickly. And it kills me to say that because he really was the first great real minor league hope in a long time.

    Wells just shouldn’t play anymore. Give Almonte his time. 9-87 is beyond pathetic. Thanks for a great April and being a good teammate. But that’s over.

  53. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    now that i’ve drawn you in..
    “in feb.of 1998 brian cashman was named general manager of the new york yankees.

    ill give you the dynasty which was created once george was banned,

    but only if you will finally admit that brian cashman has won 4 world series.

    …bitter pill, isn’t it?

  54. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:03 am

    you did just credit george steinbrenner with the 90′s dynasty ‘because he was the owner’, right?

    how many championships have the yankees won with brian cashman as the gm?

  55. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    the answer is 4

  56. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 1:06 am

    “but only if you will finally admit that brian cashman has won 4 world series.

    …bitter pill, isn’t it?”

    Um… to whom is that addressed? Are you confusing me with the people here who strongly dislike Brian Cashman?

    Is there something in the water tonight?

  57. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:09 am

    no, just sayin…

  58. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 1:10 am

    But why are you just sayin’ it and why would it be a bitter pill for me to swallow? What is the relevance to anything that I’ve said in this conversation?

  59. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 1:17 am

    Y’s Guy, I’m going to repeat myself: I am somewhat sympathetic to some of what you’re saying. The whole “if George was alive” shtick is often just shorthand for using the complicated legacy of the Boss to bolster some thought of the commenter.

    George was the owner for a long time and didn’t do things the same way all the way through. There are plenty of different aspects of his tenure for people to glom onto and say “If George was alive, he would do [insert thing that the person wants done].”

    But George gets both credit and blame for everything that happened while he was owner. For people to ignore the suspensions completely would be superficial, but saying “he gets credit for two titles only” is pretty superficial too.

  60. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:17 am

    not about you nick, you da man!
    but just to be straight, if we count all championships to the people in charge,we’ll go 7 for george and 4 for cashnan right?

  61. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:20 am

    gm’s who’ve won 4 championships….in the era of free agency….

    …must be a ton of those guys…..

  62. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:20 am

    just sayin….

  63. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 1:23 am

    Eh, hard to give Cashman full GM credit when Stick and Bob Watson put together so much of those clubs. Then again, he was an assistant during that time too, so whatever. I really have no interest in litigating what Cashman does and doesn’t get credit for. All the GM’s contributed greatly to putting together those teams; that’s what GM’s do.

  64. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:26 am

    er..uh..hmmm…yeah…i hear ya.

  65. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:27 am

    yeah, george was the mastermind of the 96 yankees. just ask torre.

  66. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:30 am

    “a split is no better than a rainout ‘cept you gotta play twice as hard”

    night…

  67. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:32 am

    “hard to give _______ full credit when Stick and Bob Watson put together so much of those clubs. ”
    ——————
    fill in the blanks as you see fit.

  68. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 1:36 am

    Owners hire front office staff. You might want to re-think this tomorrow.

  69. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:39 am

    not a really big chance i ‘rethink’ 1996 tomorrow.

    i might rethink 1496 tomorrow but problyl not 1996.

  70. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:40 am

    charlie hayes and all..

    …probly not…

  71. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 1:41 am

    But maybe re-think the wisdom of answering arguments that weren’t made like you did just now in reference to 1996?

    And maybe re-think your conception of the different roles that owners, front office staff, and field managers play in the building and management of a baseball team.

  72. Ys Guy June 20th, 2013 at 1:57 am

    night!

  73. theREALkevin June 20th, 2013 at 2:06 am

    Is anyone seriously giving Cashman credit for winning the WS in 1998, the year he was made GM? 99, and 2000 also? Oh yeah, he drafted all those guys that were already in the majors the year he was made GM. Right. And all those other acquisitions, he definitely had time to make those basically instantly I guess after he was installed.

    No, I don’t think so. The team was largely in tact before the Yankees won it all 98-2000. It would be ridiculous to give Cashman credit for those teams. Maybe he made an impact as an assistant, but no way can you give him credit for those as GM. And yes in 2009 they won it all after he had been GM for a long time, but that was only after they bought CC, Burnett, and Teixeira. All he did was just buy those guys, offered them more money than any other team because they’re the Yankees and they could afford it. Wow, amazing.

    The fact is Cashman has been maybe an average GM over his tenure, anyone arguing that is pretty much a Yankee apologist and giving the them too much credit simply because “they’re the Yankees so they must know what they’re doing”. Uh, no, they’re a an MLB just like the 29 others. And so many of Cashman’s brilliant little gets, scrapheap etc., these guys have interest from other teams also but they end up choosing the Yankees a lot because well, they’re the Yankees.

    Ownership is stale already, but they’re the owners and not much can be done about that unless they sell the team. Cashman is definitely stale, but ownership seems to think he’s a genius so unfortunately the Yankees will be dealing with his mediocrity until maybe they maybe miss the playoffs like two seasons in a row. Girardi, while he hasn’t been bad this season, continues to make inexplicable decisions like batting Vernon Wells cleanup. Overall it could be a lot prettier in Yankeeland right now, and the focus has to be getting younger going forward. But, Cashman sucks at the draft so that will probably not happen as long as he is GM.

  74. sammiejohnson June 20th, 2013 at 2:37 am

    Duh Innings II June 20th, 2013 at 12:23

    The Yanks should release Suzuki now

    ______________________________

    Thanks Duh. Another quality post.

  75. 4TrainNorth June 20th, 2013 at 3:37 am

    Can’t understand all the talk about Cashman. He’s no different than Theo, another guy who just happened to inherit a good situation and rode the wave. It’s no different than it is in the corporate world, where getting assigned to a project that is sort of, you know, too big to fail (the Yankees), can do wonders for one’s career. But it’s all total BS. I refuse to believe any of these guys has any real talent at all–just a finely honed skill at dealing with the media. So: who gives a f about Cashman? The team is playing with no heart right now. I’d look more to Joe to fix that.

  76. 4TrainNorth June 20th, 2013 at 3:46 am

    That said, and since I have nothing else to do right now except listen to a crying baby, it’s hard for me to criticize the players too much. I mean, LOOK AT THIS LINEUP: these guys aren’t supposed to be good (except for Cano, whom I don’t have the patience to get into right now on this goddamn tiny keypad). The pitching is the only reason we’re above .500, and it’s bending to the point of breaking. So from now on, when I watch games, I’m gonna put back a coupla cold ones, and just enjoy the Game.

  77. Nick in SF June 20th, 2013 at 3:53 am

    “That said, and since I have nothing else to do right now except listen to a crying baby…”

    Don’t scroll back too far or it might feel like you’re pulling a double shift.

  78. 4TrainNorth June 20th, 2013 at 4:07 am

    Too late–but I see what you mean. Good thing the kid didn’t see his old man sobbing after each pathetically weak infield groundout.

  79. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 6:23 am

    Looking at the earlier argument about George from above:

    1. George’s philosophy was that you needed big stars to draw fans but you also needed to win – it was the combination that drew fans. Even when the Yankees had Henderson, Winfield and Mattingly you saw lots of empty seats in the Stadium. It wasn’t until the mid-90s that the place was packed.

    2. Last year the Yankees won, with marquis names (Jeter, etc) and didn’t draw in the playoffs

    3. Is Vernon Wells going to draw fans? No. But neither is Zoilo Almonte. If the Yankees are concerned with filling the stadium and bumping up ratings on YES then the likely result will be a short sighted trade for someone like Hanley Ramirez or something (notice, I’m not saying trading for Han-Ram would be a bad idea – just that the Yankees would overpay for him)

  80. Frankg June 20th, 2013 at 6:26 am

    Re: Vernon Wells and possibly Hughes. This happened at least once before, where a player was doing extremely poorly and Girardi didn’t seem to want to do anything about it. Wang started one season by getting hit hard in every outing. Girardi kept him in the rotation, until Sabathia complained publicly and Wang was pulled from the rotation. At least there the Yankees had some obligation to the player for his past years of excellent contribution. They don’t with Wells.

    I believe the other players are upset with the situation. Hitting is contagious, and Wells is a negative catalyst. Wells must be embarrassed by the situation and would welcome somebody putting him out of his misery. Maybe he should try batting left handed.

  81. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 6:33 am

    Frank,

    I think/hope that if Zoilo gets into the lineup and hits that we’ll see them start to platoon him and Wells. And then when Granderson comes back Wells will play less. If Boesch was healthy they might be platooning him now – but in fairness, Girardi’s options are limited.

  82. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 6:41 am

    Some moves I would make (assuming other teams said yes)

    1. Sign Kelly Shoppach – I like Romine but he’s not hitting at all – whether that’s because he doesn’t play enough to get in sync or some other reason is irrelevant right now. He needs to go to AAA to get his swing back.

    2. Joba and a minor leaguer to the Phillies for Michael Young. Would the Phillies who are 8 games out make that trade? Dunno. I think David Adams is going to be a good hitter, but he isn’t now and the Yankees are desperate for a RH bat.

    3. Platoon Vernon Wells

    4. Move Hughes out of the rotation as soon as Pineda’s rehab is complete

    Those are moves that can help the Yankees over the next 6 weeks build into a better team. If they’re not better by the deadline then I seriously consider the following:

    1. Deal Kuroda
    2. Deal Boone Logan

    These are the two Yankees with the most trade value in terms of equal return.

    Would the Rangers, who have hitting galore but not enough pitching, deal Mitch Moreland and Mike Olt to the Yankees for Kuroda? Probably. Would the Angels, if they get back into the race themselves, consider Mark Trumbo for Kuroda? Possibly.

    As for Logan, a late inning LHP is a valuable item on the trade market. I’m sure the Yankees could get a solid prospect for him.

  83. Mike Ri June 20th, 2013 at 7:07 am

    The Astros have now scored more runs than the Yankees have

    sad

  84. blake June 20th, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Run it Out says:
    June 20, 2013 at 12:30 am
    Putting Hughes in the pen will not help the offense. Trading him may help the offense and I think his value is higher than many think.

    Agree. His road era is pretty good this year and he has more value than people think. He’s not a good guy for Yankee stadium….you put him in the NL west and he’d fair better and there are teams in that division that need pitching. The Dodgers and Giants both do…..I don’t know what you’d get for him but it probably would be worthwhile if Pineda is coming back and he’s gonna be out of the rotation anyway

  85. blake June 20th, 2013 at 7:18 am

    Chip,

    Again if you’re trading Kuroda then you’re punting the season and might as well trade Cano, Granderson, Hughes, Joba, Andy.,….everybody.

    Plus Kuroda has a no trade right? That’s not happening

  86. blake June 20th, 2013 at 7:19 am

    Mike Ri says:
    June 20, 2013 at 7:07 am
    The Astros have now scored more runs than the Yankees have

    sad”

    Inexcusable and pitiful

  87. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    The problem w Hughes are his secondary pitches.

    He does not locate them consistently.

    And I’m not sure he has the confidence in them that he should.

    This causes an over reliance on his FB.

    I said it before. He should have developed a split and/or a sinker.

    Factoid: Hughes has the highest % of 1st and 2nd pitch strikes in the entitre AL.

    Where he falls down is in putting guys away.

  88. blake June 20th, 2013 at 7:27 am

    Command has been a big problem for Hughes also…..he just is in the middle of the plate too much

  89. jonathan p June 20th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    I am so tired of watching Vernon Wells and his horrific at bats. What is the harm in playing a young player there? Now I truly see why TWO organizations gave up on min.

  90. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    Blake-

    Good morning.

    I agree. Hughes value is tied to other Teams needs.

    In addition, we’d probably all be surprised at how their professional evaluations differ from our own.

    Since he is a flyball Pitcher he would do better in a larger park.

  91. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    blake June 20th, 2013 at 7:18 am

    Chip,

    Again if you’re trading Kuroda then you’re punting the season and might as well trade Cano, Granderson, Hughes, Joba, Andy.,….everybody.

    Plus Kuroda has a no trade right? That’s not happening
    —————–

    I don’t know – does Kuroda have a NTC?

    I would trade Joba in a second – whether you’re punting the season or not.

    I don’t trade Cano, Granderson, Hughes or Andy because I don’t think you’ll get value for them. Granderson hasn’t played enough to have any value; Hughes has been brutal (to the point that I don’t think you give him a QO anymore); Andy has been hurt and mildly effective and Cano is going to seek a small fortune as a FA – no one is giving the Yankees back top talent for a guy they’re either going to lose for nothing (a team getting him can’t make him a QO) or going to have to sign for a huge dollar amount to keep him from hitting the market.

  92. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 7:32 am

    MTU –

    Just so we’re clear – what you’re saying is that Hughes is a 1 pitch pitcher with control issues…not much value there.

  93. LGY June 20th, 2013 at 7:32 am

    Hughes has an 80 ERA+ and hasn’t been above 100 since 2010.

    He is a name to Yankee fans, but if you look at it from an outside perspective, I’d puke if I was a fan of another team that gave up something of value for him.

    Erase all the excuses and just look at his career stats and injury history as if you were a fan of another team.

    And one more thing. Man, this team is boring.

  94. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:33 am

    I hope the Yankees are listening on some of their players.

    Joba, Hughes/Nova, Logan, etc.

  95. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    As a free agent some team will look at Hughes the minor leaguer and the Yankees laughable pitching development program and say “we can fix this,” and try to buy low on him. That’s very different than giving up quality talent for him in trade.

  96. pkyankfan69 June 20th, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Does Kuroda has a no trade this year?

    From Cots:

    “1 year/$15M (2013)
    re-signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 11/20/12

    1 year/$10M (2012)
    signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 1/13/12
    full no-trade clause
    performance bonuses”

    Says he had one last year but doesn’t say he has one this year… Could just be a mistake, he also had no trade clauses in his 2 contracts with LA, kinda doubt this would be his first year to not demand one.

  97. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    LGY -

    You’re exactly right – we look at Hughes with pinstripe colored glasses because we watched him grow up. But he’s not a good pitcher. He has talent, whether it was the Yankees fault or not, that talent never got developed.

  98. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Chip-

    No. That’s how you interpreted what I said.

    What I’m saying is that his 2ndary pitches are inconsistent.

    Perhaps another coach or another Team could fix that ?

    The action on the pitches is actually quite good.

    It’s the location that’s a problem.

    He’s also still quite young.

    I see some Teams finding value but that’s just my take.

  99. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Re Kuroda – None of the articles that deal with his contract with the team state that he has a NTC in his contract.

  100. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    MTU -

    I agree that teams will find value in Hughes, but not enough to trade anything decent for him.

  101. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    Time for the most important meal of the Day.

  102. Chip June 20th, 2013 at 7:40 am

    YOu don’t look at a player like Hughes and offer the Yankees value based on what you think he can be…

  103. blake June 20th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    I don’t trade Cano, Granderson, Hughes or Andy because I don’t think you’ll get value for them”

    You don’t think you’ll get value for Cano? You would….

  104. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    Chip-

    That depends entirely on 2 things:

    The acquiring Team’s evaluation

    Their needs

    We can only guess at things like that.

    And I bet we’d be wrong a fair % of the time.

    Take Nuno as an example.

    By his own admission he was not the pitcher he believes he is now UNTIL he was recently taught a CU.

    That has turned him into a successful pitcher.

    Now apply that lesson to Hughes. One tweak, or pitch away.

    Dave Duncan made a career of working w guys like Hughes.

    There may be other coaches who can do the same.

    If that’s the perception the return might be pretty decent.

    just sayin’

    ;)

  105. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Hughes trade talk is probably all moot anyway.

    Unless we know that one of Nova, Pineda, or Warren could step in and fill his shoes.

    Can they ?

  106. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    I don’t see the Yankees as sellers unless there is a complete collapse.

    That’s just not the way the Yankees operate.

    With our pitching I don’t see that. Do any of you ?

  107. sunny615 June 20th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Nuno… Warren… eventually Pineda… give them a shot – can’t be worse than hughes. Forget Nova. He’s as inconsistent as Hughes. Hell, give the rest of the AAA staff a shot. Got nothing to lose now.

  108. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Too bad Adams has not seized his opportunity thus far.

    Wish Mustelier was healthy. I’d like him to get his shot.

    Opinions on Neal ?

  109. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Here’s my new Yankee OF :

    Trout LF
    Harper CF
    Puig/Stanton RF

    Like it.

    :)

  110. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Cashman: “I’m always open for buisness.”

    Really ?

    At what store ?

    :)

  111. pkyankfan69 June 20th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    MTU June 20th, 2013 at 7:56 am
    I don’t see the Yankees as sellers unless there is a complete collapse.

    That’s just not the way the Yankees operate.

    With our pitching I don’t see that. Do any of you ?
    —————————————————————
    I think we’ll be good enough to just stay in the race… Yanks will likely be close enough to justify not selling at the TD but not really a major contender even if they do manage to swing a WC… The way I see it this is almost worst case scenario, not good enough to be a championship contender but not bad enough to trade and build for the future, stuck in limbo… I guess if they do manage to sneak into the playoffs crazier things have happened than an old, beat up Yankee team making an improbable run to the WS in Mo’s last year.

  112. pkyankfan69 June 20th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Here’s my new Yankee OF :

    Trout LF
    Harper CF
    Puig/Stanton RF
    ———————————
    Not enough veteran presence, who’s going to teach these guys how to catch pop flies?

  113. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    It’s remarkable that the Yankees didnt sign any if those Cubans……you know now that they’ll sign the next one and he will bust like crazy

  114. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    I wish Abreu woukd defect

  115. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Cashman is a browser at the trade deadline….. He window shops but always thinks everything is too expensive

  116. austinmac June 20th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Watching Puig perform makes me scratch my head when I think the Yankees made no offer at all. He is like watching someone with Mantle’s physical ability and the crack or cracked scouts couldn’t see that? I am no professional scout, but it took me five minutes to go wow.

    If he played for the Yankees there would be no attendance concerns. He is worth the price of admission.

    As MTU said yesterday, penny wise and pound foolish. Simply stunning they opted out of so much young high end talent and then act surprised the geezer crowd is hurt or non-performing.

    Ichiro is outperforming my expectations lately. I hope he can keep it up.n

  117. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Blake-

    The Yankees definitely blew it there IMO.

    Cespedes and Puig both appear to be excellent.

    Puig has Superstar potential.

    No idea how Soler is progressing ?

  118. austinmac June 20th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Blake,

    They sign Cubans, but they have to be cheap and to have never played in the top league. Morales, Mustelier and Garcia are our examples of shopping in the wrong end of the mall.

    The Yankees do not have a single truly high end prospect. They have some we can hope will be MLB regulars but none we can really get excited about.

  119. austinmac June 20th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Soler has an .810 OPS in the FSL.

  120. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Mac-

    At least we have some MiLB pitching to be excited about.

    I think Austin has great potential as a bat.

    And I’m liking JR and Sanchez.

    Guess we’ll see.

    ;)

  121. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    We should be making some trades.

    :)

  122. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    It’s hard to understand how you can go watch kids with that sort of talent and say nah too risky …..then you pay Youk and Wells 25 million

  123. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Blake-

    Track record.

    :)

  124. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    I mean why will they invest millions in risky old players but not young guys ? Weird

  125. austinmac June 20th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    MTU,

    Austin is hitting in the .260s with no power as a corner outfielder. I liked what I saw of Murphy. Sanchez is hitting pretty well in his second year at the same level.

    From what I have read DePaula sits at 91-92. Could be good but nothing dominant from that. I like Ramirez, but he is on no one’s top prospect list but our own.

    Someone could and better develop. But, I see no one making a case for being an impact player.

  126. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Mac-

    I agree. I do not believe the Yankees have even 1 untouchable player, like a Profar, in their system.

    I look forward to that time.

    I hope we get to that point.

    It’s a signpost of quality.

  127. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    3 years of being terrible isnt a good track record

  128. austinmac June 20th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    The Yankees rely on track records, but the records were old. Maybe they need a new Baseball Encyclopedia. I don’t see how the risk of old, injured an declining players is one they accept but refuse to take a risk on a player who could impact the team for years.

  129. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Austin is hitting .311 in June….. He’s adjusting …. I think he will hit

  130. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Mac-

    I think Austin is still adjusting. I like his tools.

    I don’t know what you’ve been reading on DePaula but he is IMO w/o a doubt our single best picthing prospect. I’ve seen video of him. He touches 95 + easily. He’s got it all. Just needs to saty healthy and log innnings.

    You’ve seen J-Ram. His ability speaks for itself. needs to refine the slider and stay healthy.

    Top-of-the-rotation potential.

  131. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Blake-

    I guess it didn’t come thru but I was being sarcastic.

    Youkilis was a desperation move.

  132. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    I fear Hal and Levine will pressure Cashman into doing something dumb at the deadline…..

  133. austinmac June 20th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Austin looks like he can be a capable hitter, but a corner outfielder must be much more to be an impact player.

    I can’t vouch for my DePaula info other than to say I have no doubt I read it. Ramirez does throw 95.

  134. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    MTU,

    It did…. I still just wanted to expand on the point to give it extra emphasis !

  135. comnsnse June 20th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Tar, awakened to your message on previous blog indicating perhaps you are the blog “dean of discipline” along with the usual pap about being a “newcomer”.

    In your defense of Nick you say,”what if he did look it up”, BFD.

    Exactly the point but then why the tone in his successive responses when the question was posed?

    You “know him”, really,personally? Figure of speech because on this medium rarely does anyone “know” anyone except by their comments.

    Have your opinions and if you choose to criticize others opinions or comments be prepared to be skewered promptly.

    Do yourself a favor and check the tone and words used in his first comment and let me know if you think it and his succeeding babble did not warrant my responses.

    In any case it’s really not a popularity contest is it?

  136. blake June 20th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    LGY is right though…. This team is super boring…..and in NY when you combine that with losing…. Well it’s not a good combo

  137. MTU June 20th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Amigos.

    Vaya aqui ——>

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