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Pettitte trying to get back to normal

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 21, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Andy Pettitte

When Andy Pettitte came off the disabled list earlier this month, he and the Yankees talked about cutting down on some of his work between starts. He’d been used to throwing two bullpens, but it was suggested that he cut down to just one. Pettitte’s been doing that, but in four starts since coming off the DL, Pettitte hasn’t been happy with the results.

“I’ve got to use my fastball, and when I get it where I want to get it, I’m getting guys out with it,” he said. “I just need to get sharper, whether it’s my focus, whether it’s maybe a little bit more work. I knew I would probably go back to that eventually. Maybe I need to do a little bit more work on the side. I haven’t been throwing my (second) pens, and as my back gets back in shape, that’s something I want to maybe get back to.”

Pettitte has a 4.91 ERA since coming off the disabled list. He hasn’t been walking many guys, but he hasn’t been happy with his command within the strike zone. He’s getting hit too much, and it could be that more work between starts will help make his fastball a little sharper, but there also seems to be a fine line between trying to get better and doing a little too much.

Back in April, Pettitte had been terrific through his first two starts of the season, but then he missed one start while dealing with an early back issue, and he wasn’t nearly as good when he came back. It seems possible that he should have taken a little more time off the first time his back hurt him.

“There’s no doubt I lost my release point, I lost my command,” he said. “Whatever was going on in my back was jacking with that, there’s no doubt about that. I pitched with it, and then obviously it moved up into my upper back (and resulted in the DL stint). I feel like I’m getting back to normal and I think as long as my body feels good, I’m going to get back to where I want to.”

In this disappointing month of June, Pettitte seems to know the problem. The only question is how best to fix it.

“Really, to tell you the truth, (the extra bullpen) hasn’t even been an issue,” he said. “But I know my last two starts my command in the zone hasn’t been that great. I feel like I’m able to throw the ball somewhere where I want to, but I need to be able to hit the corners. I don’t throw for the middle of the plate. When you leave balls over the middle of the plate, you’re going to get hit.”

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168 Responses to “Pettitte trying to get back to normal”

  1. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Trader – Thanks for sharing the Sherman article.

    I just want to see this team trade high on a guy… once. Just once.

  2. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:05 am

    GM

    Trading high takes discipline and good self-scouting.

    I didn’t read the article, but I assume it means dumping what was once our rotation foundation.

  3. tbone1570 June 21st, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Hassey June 21st, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Kevin long just tweeted that Brignac’s swing is close and that Wells seems to have found something in yesterday’s backyard wiffle b all tournament

    =========================

    Did they let Almonte play? Or did Joe sit him because he hasn’t gotten that elusive :first wiffle ball hit”?

  4. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Here’s the Sherman article again:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....nt=Yankees

    I think he must be reading Chad’s blog!

    Blake- I think you’ll like Man of Steel. Very different take and good special effects, but how does Superman shave?

  5. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:06 am

    blake – It really wouldn’t be a bad idea to extend Gardner, but we’ve seen them be averse to making any proactive decisions.

  6. tbone1570 June 21st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Trader – Thanks for sharing the Sherman article.

    I just want to see this team trade high on a guy… once. Just once.

    ===========================

    Shame, some would say they traded high on Montero.

  7. pat June 21st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    The latest legal skirmish began on June 10, when John C. Lukacs Sr., a Coral Gables attorney who represents now-former defendant Marcelo Albir, filed papers seeking documents related to MLB’s investigation of the now-defunct anti-aging clinic, as well as depositions of MLB officials who have been involved in the investigation into baseball’s latest doping scandal

    MLB responded to Lukacs’ request for depositions and documents by dismissing Albir from the tortious interference lawsuit it filed on March 22 in Miami-Dade County circuit court.

    By dismissing Albir from the suit, MLB lawyers blocked Lukacs’ attempts to gather information through depositions about how baseball is conducting its Biogenesis investigation.

    When asked if he intended to file a lawsuit against MLB or its investigators, Lukacs again said, “We are exploring all legal remedies at this time.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1378303

  8. blake June 21st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    “Blake- I think you’ll like Man of Steel. Very different take and good special effects, but how does Superman shave?”

    In the old Lois and Clark show he shaved with his heat vision. I’m hoping to see it this weekend…..

  9. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    And here’s the article on Gardner:

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....-comeback/

  10. Frankg June 21st, 2013 at 9:10 am

    May be they’d be better off with Nuno than Pettitte. I wouldn’t have Andy back with this kind of season on his resume and the salary he commands. What a disappointment he has been!

  11. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:10 am

    YT-

    Chamberlain is not even going to get an offer, and he’s totally fungible at this point.

    Pretty much anything of use you can get for him.

    Hughes is a slightly different case IMO.

    He’s a starter who can still turn it around and be useful.

    If the Yankees intend to make a run at him now would be an excellent time to try to extend him.

    If that is not their intention (to keep him) then what they need to get back for him needs to be better than a comp pick.

    That shouldn’t to hard to do.

    Lettng either walk w/o getting anything for them would be extremely foolish.

  12. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:12 am

    tbone – Some would say that lol.. I dunno that I agree, but sure hope Pineda proves me wrong.

    If I’m the Yankees I’ve been having people looking into next year’s draft like crazy and trying to determine if moving Hughes now is more effective. I tend to believe it is, but I’d at least be checking into the draft to the best of my abilities… if it’s a strong talent class next year, anyway.

  13. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:13 am

    By the way, has anyone heard anything on Cabral’s current status ?

  14. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Shame, some would say they traded high on Montero.
    -
    Even if that is true, they traded for Pineda when his value was maxed out so it is negated.

  15. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Blake-

    What do the Giants have to offer for Hughes ?

  16. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Hughes for Olt.

  17. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Hughes for Flores.

  18. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:15 am

    “We still believe that he can get it done,” Yankees manager Joe Girardi said. “I know he’s capable of doing it because I’ve watched it. I’ve watched it with my own eyes. I saw him do it in April and I believe that he can still get it done.”
    -

    Scary.

  19. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Shame-

    I’m NOT helping the Rangers.

    Trade him to the West coast somewhere.

    ;)

  20. BIG AL June 21st, 2013 at 9:17 am

    This team, I’m sorry to say, is pathetic.

    Cano doesn’t run out balls hit to the IF, and he was lucky when the 2B let the ball get far enough away he still made it to 1st safe. He wants a huge paycheck, but, he’s not showing any leadership, and not producing when the team needs him the most.

    The team needs Jeter back, more for his off field leadership than his playing time.

    Gardner is the only playing earning his pay check these days, with perhaps Stewart as well.

    Who knows how things will shake out if A-Rod and Jeter can come back and do well next month, but right now there doesn’t seem to be much hope of not finishing in 4th or 5th place at best.

  21. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Big Al-

    The Yanks are lucky to be as close as they are.

  22. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:20 am

    MTU – In the fine words of Brian Cashman, ‘Beggars can’t be choosers.’

    Any young OFers we could trade a guy like Hughes for…? An Ajax type in AAA?

  23. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:20 am

    While it would be great to have Jeter back, this team needs talent more than leadership, and f they do need leadership, that doesn’t exactly speak well of Girardi.

  24. Frankg June 21st, 2013 at 9:20 am

    MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:13 am
    By the way, has anyone heard anything on Cabral’s current status ?

    Cabral is at Trenton and has not done good until his last outing. He passed thru waivers untouched and landed with the Yankees. He is not on the 40-man roster.

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=501627

  25. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:20 am

    And by ‘Ajax type’ I don’t mean skill set, I just mean in terms of being close.

  26. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Jeter, A-Rod, Grandy, and Cervelli should all help.

    But will it be too little too late ?

  27. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Shame

    Looking at Olt’s current milb stats. BA not too hot. Why are you sold on him?

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=592609

  28. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:15 am

    “We still believe that he can get it done,” Yankees manager Joe Girardi said. “I know he’s capable of doing it because I’ve watched it. I’ve watched it with my own eyes. I saw him do it in April and I believe that he can still get it done.”
    -

    Scary.

    —————

    What did Girardi see over the last three seasons from Wells…? It’s amazing how many people were ready to throw out 3 full years of performance based on one and a half months. Really incredible.

    In that vein, Ichiro looks great.. but you gotta believe there is a slump in the future. He’s been a streaky player in recent years and you can’t just expect that the guy he’s been over the last month is the one he’ll be for the rest of the season. Those types of assumptions are what stops a team from making a necessary move.

  29. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Frank-

    Thanks.

    Shame-

    Hughes has value to the right Team. I don’t like helping direct competitors if at all possible.

    Joba has minimal value. With him you are much more limited.

  30. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Trader – Because he’s young, cost controlled, MLB ready, plays a position of need, and is probably better than Adams. And I’d trade a half a season of Hughes for that. That might be the best return you can get for a half a season of Hughes, in fact…

  31. BIG AL June 21st, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Mike -

    This is truly an epic, Over-the-Hill movie playing live each and every game.

    Someone needs to kick Cano in his lazy a**, and tell him, this is not how we play the game in The Bronx.

    If I were Cashman, I’d see how bad a contender wanted him at the trade deadline to get them over the top, and if the Yankees do re-sign him, they must be sure he doesn’t get a no trade in the new contract.

  32. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:26 am

    MTU – Not keen to help the Rangers either but at this rate we might not need to worry about who we face in the playoffs as we might not even get there. If you can get a long term option for Hughes instead of a rental I’d take it.

    That being said… if you could pry Pence from the Giants and find a way to retain him I’d MUCH rather do that! :D

  33. pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Maybe we can trade Joba to Cleveland for some midge relics.

    We’d probably have to also include money.

  34. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Shame

    Really, 4 out of the last 6, now 5 of 7. I have to believe he is spinning because he thinks he had to play him. Although when Feinsand begins to question you on it, the time to face reality may be near.

    Ich has contact skills, but I agree that prolonged slumps are more likely now.

  35. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Al-

    I hope thing are a little better for you.

    I really don’t know what has happened to Cano this season.

    Gotta believe he’ll snap out of it. Hopefully soon.

    He’s not a .277 hitter.

  36. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    The Yankees will pay $11.5 million of Wells’ $21 million salary this season, then only $2.4 million next season. With the Angels picking up the rest, Wells’ massive salary won’t count against the Yankees’ 2014 payroll for luxury-tax purposes.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2WrCYeaeT

  37. BIG AL June 21st, 2013 at 9:29 am

    MTU -

    I want an all out push for a player like Giancarlo Stanton, or just GS himself.

    Unload the bank, he’s worth it.

  38. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Shame-

    I think the Giants, Dodgers, M’s all might be viable landing spots for Hughes.

    Pence for Hughes ? That’s an interesting one.

    Would both Teams do that ?

  39. BIG AL June 21st, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Mike -

    My little guy is at the vet this morning having that procedure.

  40. BIG AL June 21st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    MTU -

    Knowing Cashman, he’d go for yet another loser like Either.

  41. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Al-

    I have always been for a true upgrade wherever we need it.

    You know I was all over JU.

    Cargo is another young OF’er I’d love to have.

    He’d kill it at NYS.

  42. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    No way they trade Pence for Hughes, MTU

  43. BIG AL June 21st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Got to go, catch y’all later.

  44. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2013 at 9:34 am

    MTU

    Cano .222 vs lefties.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....inson-cano

  45. pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Pence for Hughes ? That’s an interesting one.

    Would both Teams do that ?
    ———————————-
    Not sure why the Giants would give up a guy batting in the middle of their line up with an .800+ OPS for a pitcher with an ERA over 5 who has been struggling of late.

  46. blake June 21st, 2013 at 9:35 am

    “What do the Giants have to offer for Hughes ?”

    I doubt they’d give anything off the big league roster than could help us to be honest…..they do have some decent prospects though that you could consider. They have a few interesting arms…Joe Panik is interesting but I kinda doubt they’d do that.

  47. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Rich – My plan was to give them a (god willing) healthy Grandy too and, hey why not, Joba too! Lol.

    I dunno if they plan on retaining Pence. I agree it’s a reach.

  48. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Al-

    I’m pretty sure mine has an auto-immune disease.

    We head to Vegas next Fri. to determine. Until then we are just maintaining.

    Best of luck. Hope it turns out well.

  49. Yankee Trader June 21st, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Time to go also.

    Until later.

  50. blake June 21st, 2013 at 9:36 am

    The Giants aren’t trading one of their best hitters for Hughes…..they are trying to win another title and that wouldn’t make them better.

  51. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:36 am

    The only way I’d move Hughes for more pitching is if I was planning to make another move either this season or in the off season… but we really need offense.

  52. disco stu June 21st, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Yankee Trader … Man of Steel blew … it was Transformers without the robots … mind numbing explosions and a paper thin plot. None of the charm and excitement that I felt when I saw Superman for the first time.

    Blake, if you want to watch anything “big” this summer wait a few weeks more until Pacific Rim comes out … not THAT looks cool.

  53. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Blake-

    If we are trading Hughes the goal has to be something better than the pick offered as a result of a QO.

    That shouldn’t be all that hard.

  54. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:40 am

    I am going to see the Lone Ranger when it comes in 3D. I am not sure why.

  55. 86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 9:40 am

    I think Hughes has value, but not Hunter Pence value.

    I’d send him to the Giants for Johnny Monell, a 27-year-old catcher who has LH power and is a native of the Bronx. Might ask for a high ceiling low minor league player too.

    Shame — All indications are that next year’s June draft talent is going to be significantly stronger than this draft, especially the quality of the top 50 compared to this year.

  56. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Would the LaSorda’s be interested in Hughes ?

    If so, what do they have to offer ?

  57. blake June 21st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    MTU,

    I don’t think so either…..I think it depends on where they are in the standing what they should go after if they trade him. If they are still in it and really think they can make a run at a title (that doesn’t look to be the case now) then try to get the best bat you can for him…..might have to try and swap rental for rental or something……if not though then just target the best prospect you can for him.

  58. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Hughes value has never been lower at a time when he has been healthy.

  59. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Rich-

    Because you love Tonto ?

    :)

  60. 86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 9:44 am

    I think Rich wants to know what Kemosabe REALLY means.

  61. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Hughes is better than he looks at the moment.

    Teams know that. And the Yankees know that.

    They’ll look to buy low but the Yankees shouldn’t buy into that.

    They should get fair value or else just take the draft pick.

  62. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    86-

    It’s the antonym of “Wasabe”.

    :)

  63. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    True be told, my gf likes Johnny Depp. :P

  64. pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Anyone who isn’t offended easily and hasn’t seen This Is The End needs to do so… One of the funniest movies I’ve seen in a long time.

    I hear Man of Steel is kind of a mess but the visuals are supposed to be great, still want to see that in 3D – Imax.

    Most of the reviews I read of World War Z make it sound pretty disappointing… Probably wait till that one comes on on DVD.

  65. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 9:49 am

    I just do Not believe you can get much for either Hughes or Chamberlain based on their performance to this juncture. I would inquire with the D. Backs concerning Kubel. His contract also expires at seasons end, and the D. Backs have plenty of OF’ers. Yea, Kubel doesn’t help vs lefties, but I would park him in LF and see how he did, Wells be damned.

  66. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Blake-

    Where the Yankees will be by the TD is the million dollar question.

    If they are lucky things won’t be beyond their grasp.

    Too many effin’ injuries.

    :(

  67. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Rich-

    A lot of women like Depp.

    ;)

  68. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 9:53 am

    I’m looking forward to “The Lone Ranger” also. Even if the story is a dud, visually, it should be a treat. From what I hear, Depp’s part is minimal vs Hammer, but then again there is the old, “There are No small parts, only……………..”.

  69. 86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    If you deal with Arizona Cody Ross is a better fit. BUT you have future $$ involved there, but Ross isn’t all that expensive and he really fills a need.

  70. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Brook-

    A player’s value is not determined solely by their current level of performance IMO.

  71. 86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 9:55 am

    AND Ross kills LHP — .934 career OPS

    As for the $$$ — $ 8.5 M the next two years, $ 9.5/1.0 buyout 2016.

  72. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    86-

    I like Cody Ross.

    He’s a NM guy. Gets bonus points from me for that.

    ;)

  73. bruceb June 21st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    The Yanks are lucky to be as close as they are.

    So true, but unfortunately it’s Fool’s Gold. To stay in the race, they need to drastically improve their offense. That isn’t going to happen anytime soon. A healthy Grandy, Jeter and ARod would make a massive difference…but it would also be foolish to count on all three coming back as good as new.

  74. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Anyone who isn’t offended easily and hasn’t seen This Is The End needs to do so…

    ————-

    I agree. And you will all think of me when you see the ending. :D

    86 – If that’s the case, it gives me pause. But you need to really interrogate your options.

    Anyone that is considering seeing WWZ should just read the book, as it is far more terrifying than the BS Brad Pitt created. CGI zombies = Not scary at all. The book was so scary I had to leave it in my freezer.

  75. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 9:57 am

    That’s like saying a car’s value is Not determined by how it currently is running. Reality dictates otherwise.

  76. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Added bonus to Kubel is he was born in Belle Fouche. That is the town The Duke and the kiddies were driving cattle toward in the flick, “The Cowboys”. Bruce Dern stole the show.

  77. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Brook-

    Cars and baseball players are 2 different things.

    Bad analogy.

    Example:

    If Cano finished the season at .277 do you think his agent would allow the acquiring Team to base their valuation of him on that ?

    Or would the agent site his overall track record ?

    And which would be a better guide ?

    Hughes may not be great but he isn’t this bad IMO.

    ;)

  78. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Watched Brad Pitt again in “Meet Joe Black” the other day, just to howl at his rasta accent. That dude should stay away from Any role that requires an accent.

  79. 86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 10:04 am

    The Yanks need a RH Bat a lot worse than they need a LH bat.

    If not, Ross who?

    Donnybrook —- Good point, but a car that is not running very well may have a lot ore value to someone who can fix it himself than someone who knows nothing about it.

    Hughes value to any team will be based largely on how good they think he’ll be for them. There have been many “change of scenery” deals over the years some of which can pay off big time.

  80. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Continuing the car analogy, Hughes would also be a lease deal.

  81. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “Hughes value to any team will be based largely on how good they think he’ll be for them. There have been many “change of scenery” deals over the years some of which can pay off big time.”

    +1

    Thanks for helping make my point.

    Also on his overall track record and future potential.

    Not just on, “what have you done for me lately ?”

    No professional evaluates players like that IMO. On just the current snapshot.

  82. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Hughes would be a lease only if the acquiring team felt they were not in a good position to keep him.

    When he plays for them they definitely have more of a chance.

    They get the to offer an in-season extension, and even if elects FA they have the negotiating window.

    It’s not the same as “cold-calling”.

    ;)

  83. 86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    MTU —-

    Just another reason not to give big money and big years to guys 30 +. They are not likely to produce as much in the next 6-8 years, so why pay exorbitantly for equal or lesser performance??

  84. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:14 am

    86-

    Cano ?

    I think the Yankees want to keep him. No doubt in my mind on that.

    Question, as you highlighted, would be the terms.

    Guess we’ll see if they can come to them.

    If I had to guess I bet he stays. One way or another.

  85. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 10:14 am

    I just believe you guys are Way over valuing Hughes and Chamberlain. Any team making a deal coming down the stretch is gonna evaluate a player based on his current performance. Acquiring a player at the Trade Deadline, whose contract expires at seasons end, is being acquired for the “Here and Now”.

  86. austinmac June 21st, 2013 at 10:16 am

    There isn’t much to add to the discussion about the offense. It is awful, the worst I have seen in a very long time. The team cannot compete with this offense.

    If they trade anyone of value for a stopgap, it will be lunacy. It is far past time to rebuild. Don’t delay further by adding players who will be gone next year.

    It is more than five weeks until the TD. I expect we will be around .500 at that point. Not much will happen until that time except more waiver wire pick ups that we can make starters.

  87. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    DB-

    Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

    ;)

  88. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    The “snapshot” of Cano should be Censored. He Dogged it on the bases day before yesterday, and last night forgot how man outs there were. $25 Mill on that for at least 7yrs? NOPE

  89. 86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    You think Hughes for Ross is not reasonable?

    Arizona overpaid for Ross, a guy who shouldn’t play every day and Hughes could flourish out West. I’d give them a negotiating window if they wanted one.

  90. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Mac-

    You that certain ?

    Didn’t Hal say he would blow up 189 if he wasn’t putting out a competitive Team ?

    Did you beleive him ?

    Or do you think he’ll just make excuses and soldier on ?

    It’s an interesting inflection point, no ?

  91. Mike in Harrisburg June 21st, 2013 at 10:20 am

    It’s long established canon Superman shaves by reflecting his heat vision off a shard of his spaceship.

    http://insidepulse.com/wp-cont.....-beard.jpg

    I am told this is also how Girardi shaves.

  92. Mike in Harrisburg June 21st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    I still like doing a deal with SF. I wonder if they would move Brandon Belt for some combination including Hughes. He seems like a guy who could profit from a change of scenery as well. Bochy treats him like Girardi treats rookies.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Yankee Trader June 21st, 2013 at 9:34 am

    MTU

    Cano .222 vs lefties.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/…..inson-cano
    //

    I really think it’s just the decline in the overall lineup that is causing Robi to develop bad habits.

    His BABIP against LHP this year is .253, (.272 last year and .331 in 2011, the last year he hit LHP) and, for instance, his LD% is 13.3 percent this year.

    Might have been somewhat unlucky last year against LHP (28.4 LD%), but his decent OBP in 2012 came against RHP, and this year, his OBP under .300 vs. lefties. In 2011, he had a higher OBP against LHP than RHP.

    Any way, I would hope those percentages will undergo some correction, since they’re all so low. But I don’t think it’s a coincidence that last year, too, at a certain point, teams just kind of stopped pitching to him. This year, the lineup around him is a complete disaster. He’s also been playing since March, so fatigue may be exacerbating the frustration of not seeing anything good and his general lack of discipline. The other guy who played in that WBC tournament got hurt in it (Tex) and is out again.

  94. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:22 am

    86-

    I’m leaning in your direction on Hughes value.

    I think he’s worth more than some suspect to the right Team.

  95. 86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 10:23 am

    austimac — Are you advocating a house cleaning? I think it’s too early for that. Offensive upgrades make more sense at this stage, but I’m not dealing youngsters for stopgaps.

    I think Ross can be useful for the duration of his contract and Hughes, in my opinion is unlikely to re-sign with the Yankees. If his advisors/agents have a clue they’ll direct him to a big yard, even on a short term deal.

  96. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 10:25 am

    86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    You think Hughes for Ross is not reasonable?

    Arizona overpaid for Ross, a guy who shouldn’t play every day and Hughes could flourish out West. I’d give them a negotiating window if they wanted one.

    —————

    Should we be trading Hughes for another guy that needs to be platooned to some degree?

    I know there’s no easy answer to any of this.. I talked a lot in the off season about how they were going to wait until the ASB to evaluate their players, but how it could blow up in their face if guys didn’t add to their value.

  97. 86w183 June 21st, 2013 at 10:26 am

    gotta run… later gang!

    have a day

  98. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:27 am

    86-

    Bigger park. Different PC. Fresh start.

    All together might be difference makers.

    Hughes is still quite young. He’s not a lost cause as some suggest. Or totally mediocre.

    His time w the Yankees has likely just expired. The clock just ran out.

  99. bruceb June 21st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Forget Wells, he’s beyond help. Cano is the one KLong should be spending the most time with today. He’s the one guy in our lineup who we know has the talent to be doing better.

    I don’t know how much of it is mechanical and how much is mental. I suspect it’s 95% the latter. You can actually see his frustration at the plate. I’m sure he wants to carry this team on his shoulders but he needs to go back to pitch recognition and if there’s nothing to hit, take his walk.

    That would help the team far more than swinging at everything. He actually swung at a ball that bounced in front of home plate last night. Don’t think I’ve ever seen him do that before.

  100. austinmac June 21st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    86w183,

    I am not advocating house cleaning yet, but, if the team is where I think it will be in a few weeks, then it sure should be considered. Hughes and Joba could be traded now, but I do wonder what value theyhave. Frankly, I have no idea. On the one hand, I see Joba throwing 97 again, but on the other I see rockets being hit off him. Hughes is so up and down. Maybe teams will see the good.

    To you MTU, I believe Hal will only possibly go over $189M is he thinks he will lose a huge amount of income. I think he is and will lose that income, but I believe he will be talked into the it’s all bad luck with injuries excuse.

    The injuries are a factor. No doubt. But, the problems run far deeper. The left side of our infield may never be able to play regularly in the field again. How many DHs do we need? Cervelli and Granderson are better than what we have, but I don’t see them leading an offensive turnaround.

    The team needs to start looking at the long term. It is, in my opinion, very past due. They have let age first creep up and it is now in full decline mode. Something has to change or else this year may be the best for many to come.

  101. Mike in Harrisburg June 21st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    @bruceb we know he’s prone to it. He needs to look at old tape of Barry Bonds for some guidance on how to bat with an entire team on your shoulders.

  102. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Mac-

    ” I believe Hal will only possibly go over $189M is he thinks he will lose a huge amount of income. I think he is and will lose that income, but I believe he will be talked into the it’s all bad luck with injuries excuse.”

    So he is losing income. The Team might not be competitive. And yet you still believe he will not bust the budget ?

    He never offered any qualifiers. If the Team is not competitive he offered to fix it.

    I’m not sure he’ll honor that committment either but he said he would.

    Just wanted your take.

    If it is hitting him hard in the wallet then he may need to re-open it ?

    ;)

  103. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 10:47 am

    It would be a damn shame if both AP and Mo went out w/o even having a shot at the big prize one last time.

    Two great Yankees. Men who helped make you rich (richer).

    Think about that one Hal.

    ;)

  104. mick June 21st, 2013 at 10:48 am

    If anybody wants some good laughs, go see “This Is The End.”
    You will thank me…

    Again. Only if you like to laugh.

  105. blake June 21st, 2013 at 10:54 am

    I like Belt….I think getting him out of that ball park could do wonders for him.

  106. austinmac June 21st, 2013 at 10:56 am

    MTU,

    I sure hope Hal will open his wallet even if it does mean I lose a bet to Nick. He has said he is a numbers guy so often, it scares me.

    This entire off season, instead of promoting his team as his dad would do, he spent it talking about how he would spend less money on the team. Even if that was his intent, that mantra being made public kills fan interest.

    Hal has been given the goose that lays the golden egg. Let’s see if he knows how to do anything but count the eggs. He has to feed the goose. He is forgetting that.

    That, my friend, is the only goose metaphor you will hear from me. :)

  107. Mike in Harrisburg June 21st, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Building on my thought from yesterday – Dream deal sends Cano, Hughes, Joba to SF for Belt, Michael Kickham (24 y/o, 6’4 220 LHP), Adam Duvall 24 y/o, 6’1 205 3B) and one or two other plus prospects.

  108. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    This entire off season, instead of promoting his team as his dad would do, he spent it talking about how he would spend less money on the team. Even if that was his intent, that mantra being made public kills fan interest.

    —————–

    Now, now, mac, give the guy a break. He did say he signed 3 of the 4 top free agents on the market… :|

  109. pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Problem with sending Cano to SF is that Scutaro is hitting .333/.390/.440/.830

    Obviously Cano is the much better player but I can’t imagine SF is focusing on upgrading @ 2B.

    The 3 contenders that could use 2B help are Arizona, Oakland, and the Dodgers (if you still consider them a contender anyway)

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 21st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    mick – I love to laugh but have total disdain for bawdy humor. I’m more a Woody Allen humor, or Christmas Vacation kind of guy.

    ***********

    Don’t know if anyone caught Andy’s remark about the offense picking up the pitching staff. That has to tell the level of frustration the pitchers are feeling because Andy is the last person on the team who would even intimate something like that – probably even think something like that.

  111. blake June 21st, 2013 at 11:10 am

    I don’t know a ton about Kickham and Duvall…..but that doesn’t seem like enough to me for Cano and Hughes both. BA has Kickham as their 5th best prospect and Duvall isn’t even in their top 10. I’d aim higher if I decided to trade Cano…..I’d need somebody’s #1 prospect and think somebody would probably give it.

  112. Mike in Harrisburg June 21st, 2013 at 11:13 am

    @pkyankfan69 Yes I agree there. Maybe Cano for Skaggs in a separate deal with Ari. Cano and Goldy Knocks would be fearsome in the desert.

    Seems perverse but the idea of getting a proper haul of prospects is more compelling than seeing the rest of the season out with guys who are like as not to leave anyway.

  113. jacksquat June 21st, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 9:15 am
    Hughes for Flores.

    Yeah, I proposed this in the offseason, trading something for Wilmer Flores. The Mets needed outfielders, which we have. He’s hitting .309/.350/.496 this year in AAA at age 21, only 36 k’s in 306 pa’s. Used to be a SS, now 2B, and has played 3B. He could have been useful this year maybe… :roll:

  114. blake June 21st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    if they decide to sell I’d offer Detroit Hughes for Castellanos then try to move Hughes, Joba, Granderson etc in separate deals if possible.

  115. blake June 21st, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Castellanos struggles last year but he’s started mashing in AAA now…..he’s only 21 and has a 1.060 OPS in the last 28 days. He’s sorta blocked with Detroit unless they keep him in the outfield and they just might would deal him to go for it now……Cano, Miggy, Prince would be an insane middle of the order.

  116. mick June 21st, 2013 at 11:18 am

    trish-I will laugh at anything that’s funny.
    But it can be funny and I won’t laugh.
    Doesn’t mean it isn’t funny.

  117. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Castellanos or Flores would be awesome gets.

  118. austinmac June 21st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    It has to be mentally taxing for the pitchers to require them to be nearly perfect every day. That could takes its toll.

  119. Mike in Harrisburg June 21st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-sell.html

    All this talk about getting prospects. Knowing Cashman we’re days away from getting Soriano.

    :roll:

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 21st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    austin – if I had to take the pulse of predictions at this point in time, I’d say there’s a better chance of you winning the Ritter Sports Bars than of my winning them.

    :(

    What’s that old saying, a team is never as good as it looks when it’s playing well or as bad as it looks when it’s playing poorly?

    jerkface made a really good observation the other night when he talked about the team staying in the hunt, despite the offense, and the normalcy of a pitching slump – but that the overlap of the two can have a precipitous outcome.

    I still think we’ll be there in October and that the team will make the playoffs – but I admit I have no idea what kinds of moves will happen between now and then to cause that to happen.

    ***************

    I hope we bring Nuno back. The fact that he said he knows he could pitch in the majors is a great sign. And he doesn’t nibble around the corners. What’s not to like?

  121. pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Oakland has Eric Sogard as their 2B. He pretty much blows.

    Maybe this is the year they really go for it and would want Cano?

    Their first round pick in 2012 was Addison Russell who is a SS (pick #11)

    From MLB.com

    “Russell’s conditioning and future position had some concerned about the Florida prepster as he entered his senior year of high school. But Russell shed weight, improved his overall conditioning and had a fantastic season to move into the top half of the first round. Then he went out and had as good, if not the best, of any debut by a 2012 draftee, finishing his summer in the full-season Midwest League. Russell displayed outstanding bat speed and he should have above-average power in the future. He should become an even better all-around hitter as he learns to adjust to offspeed stuff. He’s an average runner, maybe a tick above, but he’s aggressive on the basepaths and should continue to steal some bases. It was initially assumed that Russell would have to move to third as a pro, and his bat would profile just fine there, but he’s convinced many he can stay at shortstop with good hands, a well above-average arm and solid range. With his stunning debut, Russell could move more quickly than many high school hitters.”

    Russell is hitting .250/.331/.474/.805 @ age 19 in advanced A ball

    If we are out of it I’m definitely calling Oakland about Russell’s availability for Cano.

  122. pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Mike in Harrisburg June 21st, 2013 at 11:13 am
    @pkyankfan69 Yes I agree there. Maybe Cano for Skaggs in a separate deal with Ari. Cano and Goldy Knocks would be fearsome in the desert.
    —————————–
    I would like me some Skaggs for sure.

  123. jacksquat June 21st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Castellanos is not blocked next year though. VMart will be gone. Cabrera can move to DH.

    He may even not be blocked this year the way VMart is hitting.

  124. G. Love June 21st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Considering I’m often referred to as one of the negative one’s, I find it funny that while we’re 3.5 out of 1st (and last) I don’t think this season is over by a long shot. We have the pitching more nights than we don’t. What we need is hitting.

    Our GM and owner can move the die all they want to when the cavalry returns, but the cavalry isn’t fixing this. They’re old. They’re beaten up. They’re mostly “in name” only.

    Arod’s in the best shape of his life hitting “bombs” in BP? Wow, where have we heard that before?

    You want to recapture this fanbase? It’s not by playing Quad A guys or rushing AA guys who can’t make the jump.

    It’s by finding quality bats. Somewhere. Anywhere.

    We have depth in the system. We can’t possibly play all the young OF’ers we have or give rotation spots to all the young pitching we have.

    Cashman making deals frightens me, but then he did get it right once with Swisher in that Betemit deal.

    They need to add to this team. 3.5 out with CC, Kuroda, Phelps, Andy and Mo closing with solid pieces like Robbie and Logan setting up, is not the end of the world.

    The team needs to show us something and go find a bat.

    I really feel badly for guys like Nunez and Boesch who both could be everyday players right now and both could be the kind of presence that takes that next step.

    That said, feeling bad for the injured doesn’t help the team win games. Real hitters do. Go get some and stop playing “When insert player X returns, watch out”.

    You played that card with Tex and Youk and it blew up in your face. Show some self awareness and actual care of the people who pay your salaries.

  125. blake June 21st, 2013 at 11:30 am

    “Castellanos is not blocked next year though. VMart will be gone. Cabrera can move to DH.”

    sure but flags do fly forever and Detroit wants one bad….they traded their best pitching prospect to rent Anibal last year too.

  126. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Darvish Was scheduled to pitch Sunday, but the Rangers pushed him back to Tuesday vs the Yanks. We would have missed him with a Sunday start. 13 K over under seems reasonable with our lineup.

  127. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 11:32 am

    trisha – Did you see they picked an all female jury for the Zimmerman case? Thought that was pretty interesting.

    If you need to include another top prospect along with Hughes+ to get Castellanos or Flores I’d do it.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 21st, 2013 at 11:32 am

    “It has to be mentally taxing for the pitchers to require them to be nearly perfect every day. That could takes its toll”

    No question.

    It also has to affect them psychically I would think. I remember listening to Kruk during the postseason talking about how when he was playing for the Phils the offense would go out and score a ton of runs and how the pitching staff would just give it all back and more, day after day. I think it was Kurkjian who asked him if it affected the way the offense felt about the pitching staff and he said it definitely did, that he personally felt a lot of anger toward them.

    You can see how that can happen.

  129. MTU June 21st, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Have a great day everyone.

    Catch you all later.

    :)

  130. blake June 21st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Also there is nothing stopping the Yankees from pulling Cano aside and saying “look we stink this year…..we are going to trade you for a piece and then hope to sign you this winter if you’ll come back to us so we will have a better team to build around you”

  131. Mike in Harrisburg June 21st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Interesting point blake. I wonder if they have the wherewithal to do something like that.

  132. blake June 21st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    “hey Robbie…..Detroit wants to give us Castellanos for you…..why don’t you go there and try and win a title and then we will sign you back this winter if you are willing.”

  133. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 21st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Shame ho-ly!!!

    What is the racial composition, do you know?

    That could have mistrial written all over it – something the defense is likely hoping for. It’s going to be interesting to read their backgrounds.

    Okay, I just read up on the jurors. They have one minority. The prosecution tried to boot one of the jurors (unsuccessfully apparently).

    White woman who has lived in Sanford since 1966, married for 30 years, mother of two. Her 28-year-old son practices civil law in the county. Her 26-year-old daughter is married, is in the construction business, and is an animal lover. Prosecutors tried to boot her from the panel because she said she remembered wondering why Martin was out late at night.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....z2WrkA1QV6

  134. jacksquat June 21st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    You played that card with Tex and Youk and it blew up in your face. Show some self awareness and actual care of the people who pay your salaries.

    Tex and Youk weren’t healthy though. Granderson was healthy but then got hit again in another spot. Granderson will be healthy again, so should Alex, his last hip op healed fine. They should help.

    Not saying they couldn’t get some help now though…

  135. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    trisha – I was kind of impressed.. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a case where an all female jury has been selected. The jury selection processes in any case fascinate me.

  136. RadioKev June 21st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Has a team ever traded a player and then resigned him in the following off season?

  137. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I’d assume the prosecution did that on purpose, btw. But I’m curious to see if the defense can use it in their favor.

  138. comnsnse June 21st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Might not this headline be appropriate for the entire team?

    The problems are, what players on this roster are actually playing below the unrealistic expectations of the GM and the owners? Should anyone have expected the first three to be what they were years ago?

    And based on a “normal” which might have been the case for the Wells, Ichiro, Youkilis, Tex, Arod and Jeter even with injuries 8-10 years ago?.

    What “normal” are we trying to get back to, and barring a reappearance of Ponce de Leon’s magic elixir, how do we accomplish it? Talk is cheap or expensive in our case!

    When expectations exceed reality this si what you get!

  139. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Kev – Honestly.. I can’t think of any off the top of my head. Someone on here recall a team doing something like that?

  140. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I would guess that any team trading anything of value for Cano, would want to sign him Before OK’ing a deal. SF trading Wheeler for a Beltran rental has received widespread hee-haws. History is not gonna repeat itself.

  141. blake June 21st, 2013 at 11:54 am

    “Tex and Youk weren’t healthy though. Granderson was healthy but then got hit again in another spot. Granderson will be healthy again, so should Alex, his last hip op healed fine. They should help.”

    Alex’s health is relative though…..will he be able to play without pain? Maybe…..will he ever be like he was? doubtful due to 2 hip surgeries and just his age. 60% of Alex might be better than the guys they have though

  142. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 11:55 am

    @FeinsandNYDN

    Here’s my column from today’s Daily News on Vernon Wells and the Yankees’ struggling offense… http://fw.to/O95D5Sm

    The tone of Feinsand’s article’s are amazing… the whole NewCorp thing is becoming one of my favorite things this season.

    “But Granderson went back on the DL, and with all due respect to Almonte and Thomas Neal, Wells is still the Yankees’ best option on an everyday basis.

    It may not feel like it right now, but Brian Cashman’s gamble paid off. Wells helped carry the Yankees in April and most of May; he was never supposed to still be doing it into June.

    Yet that’s what the Yankees need, whether they like it or not, at least until Granderson comes back from his latest injury. For some players, that could serve as a heavy burden. For Wells, it’s what keeps him going.”

  143. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 11:56 am

    I see A-Rod and Cervelli getting suspended at some point this season. MLB is gonna have to pull the trigger Before the Trade Deadline. Suspending impact players after that would impact and possibly decide playoff spots. Bud is in a ticklish spot here. He’s Mr Narc, yet has a legacy to think about.

  144. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Anyone saying, with no irony whatsoever, that Wells is the best every day option for this team is drinking the Kool-Aid. And that Kool-Aid is spiked with Majorska.

  145. blake June 21st, 2013 at 11:57 am

    “Has a team ever traded a player and then resigned him in the following off season?”

    sure….Cliff Lee. They had an under the table deal it seemed like the whole time…..just nobody knew about it. Lee wanted to go back there it seemed and he was just waiting for Philly to make an offer.

    It’s not common but the Yankees could do it if both parties were willing…..could work out better for everybody in the end if things keep heading south this year.

  146. RadioKev June 21st, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 11:51 am
    Kev – Honestly.. I can’t think of any off the top of my head. Someone on here recall a team doing something like that?
    ———

    The only thing I can think of that resembles that is the Cliff Lee deal. That seemed more like a mea culpa than a prearranged deal.

    And in a scenario where Cano gets traded to Detroit, why wouldn’t he just resign with Detroit? He’d probably love playing with Miggy and Fielder over our the Yankees.

    Just seems a little unrealistic…

  147. Nick in SF June 21st, 2013 at 11:58 am

    “Has a team ever traded a player and then resigned him in the following off season?”

    Something sort of like that happened with the Phillies and Cliff Lee. It wasn’t mid-season when they made the trade, however.

  148. blake June 21st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    “SF trading Wheeler for a Beltran rental has received widespread hee-haws. History is not gonna repeat itself.”

    it wouldn’t have if Beltran had helped them re-peat their title…..SF was loaded with pitching at the time and they were trying to win back to back titles…..I don’t blame them for doing it even if it looks bad now. Sometimes you roll the dice and win and sometimes you don’t……they won the title again last year either way.

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 21st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Shame, you can believe that the defense had their own jury consultant. The judge asked Zimmerman if he was satisfied with the jury and he said he was, so that means his attorneys were satisfied. So they apparently have positive feelings about at least some of the jurors.

    The jury selection process, while of course a crap shoot of sorts, has become so much more sophisticated than it used to be. Jury consultants are utilized pretty often. You know, that in itself is kind of unfair because instead of attempting to choose impartial people who will listen carefully to the case and make decisions accordingly, each side tries to choose people who are apt to be most sympathetic to their side.

    Remember OJ! Boy did that jury consultant get a lot of mileage from that case.

    Interesting quote from Alan Dershowitz: “That is why a criminal trial is not a search for truth. Scientists search for truth. Philosophers search for morality. A criminal trial searches for only one result: proof beyond a reasonable doubt.”

    I guess you can both like and hate it at the same time. Me, I prefer a search for the truth.

  150. Nick in SF June 21st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    But with Cliff Lee it was during the previous off-season and he was subsequently traded again to Texas. Not much of a precedent for this trade-Cano-sign-Cano scheme.

  151. DONNYBROOK June 21st, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Yankees made that Frisco Beltran move and this Blog would blow sky high. Again, any team trading anything of value for Cano would have to sign him Before the deal went down. This is why some of us wanted to deal Cano in the offseason. Yanks coulda got something then. Now your gonna get Gilligans\castaways.

  152. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Nick in SF June 21st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    But with Cliff Lee it was during the previous off-season and he was subsequently traded again to Texas. Not much of a precedent for this trade-Cano-sign-Cano scheme.

    —————–

    Yeah that’s how I was viewing it.

    Trisha – So interesting.. I honestly am not sure a panel of women in a case where a guy killed a kid is going to help the defense all that much but I’m sure they knew what they were doing. Maybe they realize he’s guilty and are shooting for a more reasonable punishment? Trying to avoid the death penalty?

  153. Wave Your Hat June 21st, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    I can’t see an in-season deal or two helping the Yanks enough to justify a this year strategy.

    First, they don’t have the guns to bring back really top drawer this year offensive help. Second, the odds on getting back all the injured guys performing at a productive level seem just too long. Third, if they did get them all back, they still wouldn’t be as good as the team that lost to Detroit last year.

    Call me pessimistic, but I think the best part of the Yankee season was April and May. They have to think about tearing this team down and beginning to put something together for the future. That includes being willing to deal Cano.

  154. Nick in SF June 21st, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    And yes, the Yankees sold high on Montero. Whether they got a good return on him is, of course, debatable.

    But we can all be happy: the Yanks sold high on someone!

  155. blake June 21st, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    “But with Cliff Lee it was during the previous off-season and he was subsequently traded again to Texas. Not much of a precedent for this trade-Cano-sign-Cano scheme.”

    eh there was another team between the two but the concept and idea is the same….there was just a little longer time period between the initial trade and re-signing him…..actually it should be easier to pull something like that off with Cano because the time would be shorter and he wouldn’t have as long away from the Yankees.

  156. RadioKev June 21st, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Nick in SF June 21st, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    But with Cliff Lee it was during the previous off-season and he was subsequently traded again to Texas. Not much of a precedent for this trade-Cano-sign-Cano scheme.
    ———

    Yeah, there’s no way there was some deal between the Phillies and Lee the whole time. If he won with Texas, who knows if he leaves?

    I think it’s a pretty far fetched scenario. This is one of those times were an example seems logical on paper, but when humans and emotions are involved, it just wouldn’t work.’

    But then again, if the Yankees are at all serious about a budget, I think they should have traded Cano in the offseason. They should still trade him if they’re serious.

  157. RadioKev June 21st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Nick in SF June 21st, 2013 at 12:06 pm
    And yes, the Yankees sold high on Montero. Whether they got a good return on him is, of course, debatable.

    But we can all be happy: the Yanks sold high on someone!
    ———-

    Considering where his stock is now… they definitely sold high on him.

    And they did get pretty good return in the scheme of things. Pineda isn’t Cliff Lee, but a straight up prospect for successful major leaguer deal is pretty good.

  158. pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    If we trade Cano mid-season all we have to do is offer him the most money in the offseason and he will be back, no scheming required… I do agree it wouldn’t hurt to tell him when you were trading him that you were going to try to aggressively bring him back to try to not hurt his feelings.

  159. bruceb June 21st, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    It may not feel like it right now, but Brian Cashman’s gamble paid off. Wells helped carry the Yankees in April and most of May; he was never supposed to still be doing it into June.

    If this were true, then why did Cashman sign Wells to a two-year deal? The only reason I can think is that the second year is basically a freebie.

    Yes, he was a big help in April and May, but now he’s turned back into the player he was for the Angels over the past two years. Was Cashman arrogant enough to think he knew better than the GMs of the Jays and Angels, who both thought Wells was done?

  160. Nick in SF June 21st, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    If we trade Cano to a team with a lineup that’s better than what the Yanks are currently running out every day — and that’s virtually guaranteed — and he then puts up much better numbers than he’s currently putting up, how much more does it cost the Yanks to bring him back vs. what he might sign for after flailing at slop for the rest of this season?

    (grim hypothetical, I know)

  161. RadioKev June 21st, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    If we trade Cano mid-season all we have to do is offer him the most money in the offseason and he will be back, no scheming required… I do agree it wouldn’t hurt to tell him when you were trading him that you were going to try to aggressively bring him back to try to not hurt his feelings.
    ————

    Yeah, but the Tigers owner spends money. If he ends up there, he’s not coming back. Why would he? Why would he come back if he ends up on any good team that spends money?

    The Yankees won’t be favorites to win the World Series next season.

  162. Nick in SF June 21st, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Cano digs in deeper in NY :arrow:

  163. blake June 21st, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    master plan:

    trade Cano for Nick Castellanos
    trade Hughes for Brandon Belt
    trade Granderson Tony Cingrani (LHP for Reds)
    trade Joba for a Mike Trout baseball card.

    Sign Cano back this winter, Sign Brian McCann, Sign Kuroda.

    Forget Hal’s budget.

  164. RadioKev June 21st, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    This isn’t David Adams here *who also said he would have signed elsewhere if there were a better opportunity*

    Why show loyalty to a team who trades you?

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 21st, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    “Maybe they realize he’s guilty and are shooting for a more reasonable punishment? Trying to avoid the death penalty?”

    I didn’t knowwas a DP case. I admit I haven’t been following it closely because I was so engrossed in “that other one.”

    If it is a DP case, sure then, having an all-female jury is a pretty good insurance policy.

  166. pkyankfan69 June 21st, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Yeah, but the Tigers owner spends money. If he ends up there, he’s not coming back. Why would he? Why would he come back if he ends up on any good team that spends money?
    ———————————–
    If we offer more money then the Tigers… He’ll come back… If the Mets offer the most money, he’ll go to the Mets… If the Royals offer the most money, Robby will be headed to sunny KC.

    If the Yanks offer was essentially the same as his new teams offer I guess he might prefer to stay there after the Yanks traded him.

  167. Jerkface June 21st, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Nick,

    I don’t think they sold high on Montero. That would have been if he was traded after destroying AA. His 2011 OPS in AAA was disappointing, though his september performance was cool.

    They did not sell low on him, but I don’t think he was at peak value. 2010 or 2009 was the the ‘sell high’ point. Montero was crushing everything and far enough away that teams could still dream on him at catcher.

  168. comnsnse June 21st, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Blake @11:54, and how exactly does your “qualification” of my comments change anything I said?

    Did or do you ever expect Tex to return to his 09 numbers?

    You go on to state that Alex will never be the non steroidal version we though we were getting?

    And based on Granderson’s 200k’s and average D with a .240 BA, doesn’t he look more like Gorman Thomas than a potential game changer?

    And finally, what bdid you not understand about my premise which is the “headline” re: some semblance of perceived normalcy.

    Last example, Does Andy really expect to get back to “normal” at his age, loss of velocity and retirement planning?

    Many of your posts reflect solid baseball analysis, but sometimes the sheer volume of your posts methinks you need a hobby!

    Apply for the YES booth team, they too have the disconcerting habit of restating the obvious. ;)


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