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What should the Yankees do?

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Robinson CanoSo what should the Yankees do about their offense? I think they’re going to need more than their injured hitters back after the All-Star break in order to be serious about this season. They didn’t have enough offense last October.

They could use the outside help now.  The team is just 12-18 over the last 30 games, going from 30-18 to 42-36. The production from the fill-ins was good enough earlier in the season, but it just hasn’t been steady enough the last month or so. The staff can’t afford to make too many mistakes. And the Yankees can’t always count on running into bad pitching.

“I think we’ve shown that with the guys that are in this lineup, especially early on in the year, we were able to do enough to win games,” Vernon Wells said after Thursday’s 2-0 loss to the Rangers capped a 4-5 homestand. “We just haven’t done that consistently lately.”

The Yankees have been shut out three times this month and seven times overall. They’ve been shut out four times at home already, the most in five years. Derek Holland two-hit them Thursday when they wasted a quality start by Phil Hughes. They had two baserunners to show for their last 20 plate appearances, both on walks. Holland had to throw just 92 pitches. The game was over in just 2:24. (Here’s a link to my story about it.)

Lyle Overbay said the Yankees haven’t been grinding out at-bats lately.

“I think we get into trying to do too much and then it kind of snowballs a little bit,” Overbay said. “We’re not going to be as consistent maybe, but if we get those timely hits, we can be effective. We’re not doing that right now.”

The previous lefty to shut the Yankees out on two hits or less in the Bronx was Matt Young of the Mariners. That was 30 years ago. The Yankees have dropped three in a row and four of the last five when a lefty has started. The bottom three in the order against Holland were rookie David Adams (now batting .179), journeyman Alberto Gonzalez (.188) and rookie Austin Romine (.150). They combined to go 1 for 8.

Robinson Cano was protected in the order by Wells, who played right and struck out all three times, leaving him 11 for his last 93. Cano is down to .276, although he sounded pleased that at least he has been taking more walks.

“We don’t have our main guys,” Cano said. “I’ve just got to go out there and try to take advantage if I get one pitch. … I’m not trying to chase pitches and not trying to do too much.”

Rookie Zoilo Almonte is 0 for 10 in his last three starts in place of Wells in left after going 6 for 10 in his first three starts. Adams is 1 for his last 24. Overbay is batting .258 against righties and .186 against lefties, so a righty bat to platoon with him wouldn’t hurt, especially now that Mark Teixeira isn’t coming back until next year.

The team average is down to .238. There are still 17 games left until the All-Star break, seven games against the Twins, six against the Orioles and four against the Royals. There’s still almost a month until the nonwaiver trade deadline.

When Derek Jeter returns, he will be coming off a twice-broken ankle. He just turned 39 Wednesday. Alex Rodriguez, who had been on the decline, will turn 38 next month. He, of course, is, coming off his second hip operation. There have been conflicting reports about his return. The latest had A-Rod questioning when he would come back this season or if he would come back this season. The MLB Biogenesis investigation and a possible suspension are also hanging over him.

There was a report from csnphilly.com earlier this week that the Yankees have thought about Phillies catcher Carlos Ruiz, now in the last year of his deal. So is Philadelphia’s Michael Young, who would be more expensive and more appealing. It would figure the Yankees would only want an expiring contract since their goal is to be below $189 million next season.

What should they do?

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260 Responses to “What should the Yankees do?”

  1. blake June 28th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Fetal position

  2. Mike Ri June 28th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    Fetal position


    LOL LOL – Blake

  3. austinmac June 28th, 2013 at 7:40 am

    Yes, trade youth for expiring contracts. It’s not a if they are planning to field a team in 2014. Folks, this year is going to look like the good old days come 2014-2015.

  4. austinmac June 28th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    I see the O’s have switched starting pitchers today to go with a lefty. I wonder why.

  5. ron June 28th, 2013 at 7:44 am

    trade cano to the cardinals for 2 pitching prospects,and carpenter.This way we know we get 2 future aces.
    Then trade for morse,hart.
    I think the only way going forward is too build for the future by trading for prospects,keeping our own,at least the good ones,clearing payroll,then spend 189 million,more wisely.

  6. Tar June 28th, 2013 at 7:47 am

    Good one Blake

    I’m more of a seller than a buyer at this point.

    And really, that doesn’t necessarily mean you have given up on this year.

  7. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    I would gauge what Cano could bring back in a trade.

  8. blake June 28th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ale-89793/

    the GIF half way down here says it all

  9. ron June 28th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    I agree about it meaning not giving up on this year.
    I just don’t think it is wise to give cano a huge deal,and have another bad contract,when he is,or was able to get us at least 2 stud prospects,at one time at least.Not sure about now.
    We are going to need a new core,and to keep payroll down,it will have to be homegrown,or prospects through trades,or both.
    Not several players,but at least 3,maybe 4 prospects that make a big impact.Maybe 2 pitchers,2 position players,and that is very difficult to make happen,but signing every player to max dollars,and years has gotten us into this mess,along with not wisely extending any player,for the most part.
    Hughes should of been approached about an extention a year ago.
    Players don’t get cheaper.

  10. mick June 28th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    blake has turned into quite the comedian…keep up the good work :)

  11. sunny615 June 28th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    “What should they do?”

    Rename themselves the Mets?

  12. mick June 28th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    they are a small market version of the metys

  13. GregD June 28th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Not sure the Yanks have the pieces to get much…….if we trade Cano……we won’t get better either

  14. blake June 28th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I’m actually not sure they can get the sort of bat they need…..they need a legit premium hitter or 2 or 3……and to get one of those you are going to have to pay a hefty price.

    If you can get a Stanton or somebody like that that can act as help now and as a building block for the future then ok…..but this offense is farther away than adding one rental bat IMO….even if the guys come back from injury it’s still not going to be a very good offense most likely. If they pitch sure they might make the playoffs…..but it just seems they’d be destined to be stomped by the Tigers rotation again in October….

    If they can swing a sweet deal for a legit bat without giving up a lot then fine….but I think they should be careful and really take an extended look at themselves in the mirror in the coming weeks and ask if this team is really a title contender…..if it’s not then consider making some moves to help next year.

    I don’t think fans will mutiny if smart decisions are made…..Yankee fans aren’t impressed by sneaking in as a 2nd WC team…..that does nothing for us. They need to start working on a winnable foundation for the coming years

  15. mick June 28th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    ruiz and young are 2 of my favorites.
    they are missing piece types
    good for the playoffs
    if we make them.

  16. mick June 28th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    They need to start working on a winnable foundation for the coming years
    ===========================
    isn’t that what they are doing in the minors?

  17. blake June 28th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    “Not sure the Yanks have the pieces to get much…….if we trade Cano……we won’t get better either”

    for this year no….for the next 5 years perhaps. Depends on who you can trade him for. I still say offer him to Detroit for Castellanos then try to sign Cano back in the winter.

  18. ron June 28th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    If cano can get me a stud pitcher,and a stud infield prospect,i’d have to seriously consider it,but the problem is,more lost offense.Don’t see us getting 2 good prospects,and a carpenter from the cardinals type of player,unless a player was added.
    You nrver wan’t to punt on a season,and I don’t even know if the Yankees can,but our prospects are just not filling the holes yet.

    Unless we just bring murphy,m Williams,t Austin up,and give it a shot.Don’t know how realistic that is.

    Very tough position to be in,but this was not done in 1,2,3 years,it was a long pattern of bad moves,and non moves.
    What do we do next year when our pitching takes a huge hit?

  19. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    You trade Cano to get better in the future (you only do it if you get 2 really good young players) and then use that money on several players in the offseason. So yeah, you can trade Cano and get better.

  20. GregD June 28th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Blake—- one prospect for Cano seems cheap

  21. blake June 28th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    “isn’t that what they are doing in the minors?”

    that’s what the minors are for…..but you have to supplement it at the big league level and have that mindset or all you’re doing is duct taping the thing to together every year. Which is basically what the Yanks have done now really since 2010…..they’d tried to kick the can down the road another year every year……at some point the road ends and you kick the can off a cliff.

  22. GregD June 28th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Rich—-if you get two prospects that pan out…..you get better in several years ……. Not immediately as most prospects are not named Trout

  23. RadioKev June 28th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Got this from ESPN… this one’s for you Blake…

    Player A: .241 BA, 47 runs, 15 HR, 36 RBI, 6 SB
    Player B: .243 BA, 29 runs, 18 HR, 43 RBI, 0 SB

    (A is notpu nitsuj, B is zenabi luar)

  24. pkyankfan69 June 28th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    The one thing I would definitely not do is trade our top prospects for 1 year rental players. Can’t mortgage the future for a very marginal team this year.

    I’d be ok with trading marginal prospects for 1 year rental guys who are could be had on the cheap.

    I’d also be ok with trading top prospects in a package for a young bat who is under team control long term (Cargo/Stanton type)… This of course does depend on how massive the asking price.

    All that said, we’ll probably trade Tyler Austin for a 1/2 season of Morse or something stupid along those lines.

  25. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Greg

    If you get better immediately, how much of the future is it going to cost?

    This team has multiple holes.

  26. blake June 28th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    “Blake—- one prospect for Cano seems cheap”

    sure but one draft pick for Cano seems cheaper…..which is what they’d get if they do nothing and he hits free agency. From all the reports it sounds like he’s going to become a FA…..if they don’t see this team as that can win a title then why not get something for himl……doesn’t mean they still can’t sign him in the winter .

  27. GregD June 28th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Rich—-I have no idea how the team gets better immediately ….I too don’t want them to trade away our future…… Without Cano we might as well forfeit the rest of the season though

  28. sunny615 June 28th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Old and declining and unproductive vets, zero minor leaguers who can help, and a farm that’s three levels deep away from helping. No impact players to trade for or trade to get good help. Even Hughes and Joba have very limited trade value and would be selling low at this point. (As if anyone else would be selling high on this team). No obvious solutions. It is what it is. Well done Cashman and Hal.

  29. ron June 28th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    I don’t think we need a Stanton type of bat,or two.
    Look at the rs lineupCarp,ortiz,pedroia,ells,nava,etc…
    The cardinals don’t have a pretty looking lineup.The giants didn’t either,but they won 2 out of the last 3 ws.
    You just need great pitching,and a capable,balanced team.Not a team of .200 hitters,ops’ing at .600.
    3b,1b,lf,c are the problems.ss also.

    I’d look at 3b,1b,lf.

    Cervelli,nunez,jeter are back soon,so 1b,and lf.

    Morse,and hart are perfect,and produce for those positions,and I believe are fa,after this year.The other problem is 3b.
    Is arod coming back soon?

  30. mick June 28th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Look. If we are no longer to be the Yankees and just started to build our minor league system in 2010 then it will take some time to make this a success.
    The pitching down below looks deep. There are some good looking player prospects.
    Once the worst is over re: the budget, we should go back to buying our way to success.
    Seems like a transition period to me and could be rough.
    Yankee fans have never had to have patience…

  31. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Greg

    Maybe I hold a minority view, but I don’t want them to vastly overpay Cano. I suspect the Dodgers will. I don’t want draft picks for him.

    That is why I think they should see what they can get back now, and then decide how that compares with picks.

    Are Jeter and A-Rod going to be big contributors this season?

    That is what I think needs to happen to really have a chance at a WS.

    Btw, I thought Jeter’s comments about A-Rod were great.

  32. sunny615 June 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    this…

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....forcements

  33. sunny615 June 28th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    “is arod coming back soon?”

    nope.

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....urn-season

  34. blake June 28th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    A is J Upton
    B is Lord Voldemort

  35. blake June 28th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Raul is certainly making the decision to let him go look questionable…..as is Russ Martin. Swishalisious however is hitting .229 with a .713 OPS

  36. Hassey June 28th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    This is starting to feel a little bit like we were left behind in the movie Open Water

    Just a l’il bit

  37. pkyankfan69 June 28th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    I think the Yanks are nuts if they got over 6 years for Cano… Post steriod era players who are 30+ should not receive 8+ year deals, period. If we continue on this downward spiral over the next few weeks I for one would definitely trade Robbie.

  38. GregD June 28th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Rich—- I agree with not overpaying hugely for Cano—-we have done that with ARod already and it has handcuffed us…….Jeter continues to be the consummate professional…….

  39. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    sunny

    I don’t think there is a consensus on the accuracy of that report.

  40. blake June 28th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    I think the Yankees should trade Cano and then pursue him this winter. Cutting ties with him now might make it easier to let him go as a FA if the bidding gets too high.

    If they do keep him all year then I’d offer him 6/150 right out of the gate when the season ends…..tell him thats a final offer and that it will not change and that he has until the winter meetings to decide.

  41. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Who would we rather have, Ichiro or Raul?

  42. ron June 28th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Cano,granderson,hughes should have been traded when the dodgers,angels,etc.. wen’t nuts spending.
    We would of easily gotten 4 good prospects,2 for cano,1 each for hughes,plus grandy,and cano would of landed us 2 studs,imo.
    Then we could of signed a few fa to compete.
    The mets have 3 absolute stud pitching prospects,and more,i believe.Harvey,wheeler,and the other kid they got with darnaud.
    They also have darnaud.
    A half season of beltran got them wheeler,who at the time was,i believe a top ten prospect,maybe higher.

  43. Hassey June 28th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    This is not a critique- it’s purely jealousy that makes me ask:

    How is it humanly possible for some of youse guys to spend so much time here? Seemingly 24/7 with little sleep in between? What is your secret and where did you store your families?

  44. BD (Boston Dave) June 28th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    I agree with Blake.

    But the days of the Yankees having a massive financial advantage are over.

  45. blake June 28th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    “Who would we rather have, Ichiro or Raul?”

    well I don’t think the decision not to keep Raul is really killing them that much…..Hafner has done an admirable job when he’s been healthy and Ichiro is finally starting to play better. The biggest problem now to be honest is the infield is just atrocious besides Cano…..and he’s not even playing like he usually does. They are getting nothing from 3B, SS, C, and not much from 1B either……

  46. pkyankfan69 June 28th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Oakland needs 2B help and they have a top SS prospect, Addison Russell who is 19 and OPSing .800+ in A+ ball…

    Trading away prospects is not really the MO of Oakland but maybe they really want to go for it this year… Cano for Addison + might be a good place to start.

    I’d also call Arizona about Tyler Skaggs… Big lefty starter.

  47. BD (Boston Dave) June 28th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    If the rumors that Cano wants a contract that even sniffs ARods, politely tell him ‘no’ and move on until or unless he comes in and says “I want to be a Yankee” and signs for 5 years at $23-25M.

  48. sunny615 June 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    with the Yankees lately, there doesn’t seem to be much consensus on anything other than they’re terrible. As far as arod is concerned, I think the sooner he gets back the better, but in the future, he’s learned to hopefully keep his trap shut for the duration of his playing career and personally, I’d be surprised if he got back before August.

  49. BD (Boston Dave) June 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Cano isn’t going to get better as he ages.

    Unless he starts hanging with Ortiz.

  50. blake June 28th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    I think Cano has already peaked to be honest…..I’d love for him to prove me wrong and tear the cover off the ball the rest of the year….and he very well might but I still think he’s either at his peak now or just past it and will start to decline soon. His sudden inability to hit lefties is a concern and one you really have to look at when considering how much money to give him……it’s a nearly 2 year trend now…..it’s real and not sample size related anymore.

  51. BD (Boston Dave) June 28th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    The Yankees aren’t terrible bc they have great pitching.

    I truly believe they can make the playoffs if they don’t make a single trade.

    That said, what is the goal? If they actually want to win the WS, well…. yeah.

  52. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    “well I don’t think the decision not to keep Raul is really killing them that much”

    Oh, I’m not unhappy that they let Raul go.

    But of the guys you mentioned, Cashman reportedly wanted to keep Martin, and
    Levine wanted Ichiro, so that us why I was comparing him and Ichiro.

  53. austinmac June 28th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Cano is not going to accept one dollar less than he thinks the market will bring. I aggree we should trade him now since the options later are letting him go for a draft pick or having Nother crippling contract. Of course, it is the team that decides the contract cripples them. Bad contracts used to be accepted as part of the risk of doing business.

    Look at the free agent list for next year on the Yankees. It is about half the team. Surely, we do not want to give up youth for another prospective free agent.

    I have been asking since October, what isn’t the world is their plan for 2014-2015?

  54. ron June 28th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    What we need is a pitcher like Harvey,and a position player like machado that are homegrown,or acquired through a trade,too bring some excitement back.
    Cano should of been traded this past offseason.

  55. austinmac June 28th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    I heard one of the Pirate players attributing a lot of their success to Martin. Never would a helpful player be allowed to leave without an adequate replacement in the past. Now it is the regular course of business.

  56. pkyankfan69 June 28th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    I think the plan for the next 2 years was to still have a productive Arod/Jeter/Tex and have the minor league system providing supplemental players… Banuelos/Betances/Pineda… Obviously things have not gone to form…(although the pitching stil looks decent moving forward)

    I think the plan now for the next to years is for as much damage control as possible… They can’t be so blind as to think this team will be a WS competitor over the next few years.

    It’s time to stop giving out rediculous contract to veterans and start rebuilding.

  57. pat June 28th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    People don’t give out $275 million dollar contracts so the person will “shut their trap” or fly under the r

  58. austinmac June 28th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Ron,

    There have been a number of us here wanting the Yankees to proactively try to get younger for the past couple of years. The team preferred not to look ahead.

  59. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    They took the wait and see approach.. as I’ve said before, it’s fine for fans to do so, but not fine for upper management to do the same. Their job is to do more than wait and see. Waiting and seeing doesn’t require any meaningful qualifications. Any jackass could do that.

  60. pat June 28th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    oops. radar. Those size contracts are about making plays, making people show up and making headlines.

  61. 86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Since the reinforcements are already signed for the most part, the Yankees just need to find a part-time RH bat to share 1B. If he can play some 3B so much the better.

    Other than that they have to hold out hope that guys get healthy soon. Any trade for a “rental” cannot include a significant prospect.

    I also think a long term deal for Cano would be a mistake. I’m not sure he’s peaked, but I don’t see him as a $ 20 + M a year player for the next half decade either.

  62. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    I hope some of our AA guys end up having better second halves.. we were trying to pencil some of them in for 2014, but that was always a reach for most of them.

    Maybe Austin will get a shot then. But it seems like he’s the only one you could make a case for right now.

  63. pat June 28th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    If the Yankees were 1 player away from fixing the problem I’d say go find that player regardless of cost but they’ve got too many holes that need patching right now so I say let it play out without a major move.

  64. Frankg June 28th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    They seem to have good, young options in pitching, but they better be careful in trading them since next year they may not have Kuroda, Hughes, and Pettitte. OK to trade Joba and Hughes if they will not be invited back.

    Michael Young will help at first and third, but he will not come to be bench player. I’m not sure that the Phillies consider themselves out of the race yet and they may wish to keep him.

    I would only suggest minor moves until they get back to full strength and see where they’re at.

  65. blake June 28th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    “But of the guys you mentioned, Cashman reportedly wanted to keep Martin, and
    Levine wanted Ichiro, so that us why I was comparing him and Ichiro”

    that’s why I have a hard time putting blame on Cashman a lot of the time….because we don’t know how much of this stuff goes on. If Martin was willing to do a one year deal with the Yankees….and I believe there was a report that he was…..then it was somewhat foolish to not bring him back given that they had no idea what any of the other catchers would do.

    “What we need is a pitcher like Harvey,and a position player like machado that are homegrown,or acquired through a trade,too bring some excitement back.”

    to get one of those you either have to 1)draft high 2) roll the dice on an international guy like Cespedes or Puig or 3) gut your farm system.

    the Yankees don’t draft high enough to get a Machado or Harvey (or haven’t in the past)…..they are too cost conscious to take risks on international guys…..and they aren’t really in a position to gut their farm system for one player.

  66. blake June 28th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    “If the Yankees were 1 player away from fixing the problem I’d say go find that player regardless of cost but they’ve got too many holes that need patching right now so I say let it play out without a major move.”

    I want to win this year like always……but I’d much prefer no move to a bad move

  67. Frankg June 28th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    If a NL contender needs Granderson, I would trade him for a prospect, like Wheeler.

  68. blake June 28th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    “I also think a long term deal for Cano would be a mistake. I’m not sure he’s peaked, but I don’t see him as a $ 20 + M a year player for the next half decade either.”

    I don’t see him as getting better going forward…..I think he’s probably at his peak now or slightly starting down the back side……and if that’s the case then you have to consider that nearly his entire new contract will be in his decline years. That’s what happened with Pujols……he was starting to decline his last year or so in St. Louis and LA paid him for the player he used to be. That’s what the Yankees have to avoid….players over 30 don’t get better anymore….they almost always get worse naturally.

  69. pat June 28th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    It might be time for a Cashman, “the answers to our problems are in this room” meeting but the timing would probably be better after some of the A team was in the room.

  70. pkyankfan69 June 28th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Really sucks Granderson got hurt the second time… Not only for helping the offense bit also for increasing his trade value… As long as he is good when he comes back fom injury at least we will get the draft pick for him.

  71. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    It’s not just the hitting, it’s also the pitching.

    OPS

    Apr .763
    May .662
    Jun .612

    ERA

    Apr 4.00
    May 3.25
    Jun 4.08

    In April they won more even with a 4.00 ERA because they were hitting. In May the hitting dropped off but the pitching was better. In June the hitting continued to slide and can no longer support a 4+ team ERA.

    So either the hitting needs to get back to April, or the pitching needs to get back to May, or some combination.

  72. Triple Short of a Cycle June 28th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    the Yankees don’t draft high enough to get a Machado or Harvey (or haven’t in the past)…..they are too cost conscious to take risks on international guys…..and they aren’t really in a position to gut their farm system for one player.

    ———————————-

    If the Yanks didn’t sign Tex and the Angels picked the other HS guy they drafted we would have had Trout and then there is all the other top pitchers that we have passed over in the past so it is possible to get good and sometimes elite players were we pick

  73. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    I want to win this year like always……but I’d much prefer no move to a bad move

    —————-

    We had talked about this in the off season.. about the repercussions of fielding a middling team.

    I’m starting to wonder if randy isn’t right in some ways.. to hope they don’t make the playoffs. Missing them would really turn up the fire on the org. That being said, I can’t help but root for a turn around. It’s a tough spot to be in.

    I still say they could make some moves that would help both long and short term. They just need to be willing to pull the trigger on a couple things.

  74. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    LOL, from Sherman’s article this morning: “An AL-high-tying seventh shutout should have moved the Yanks to send this message to A-Rod: All is forgiven, come home. Quick.”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....2NKQJlwbuI

  75. luis June 28th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Good morning everyone,

    Chad made a good post in response to my question yesterday without really committing, which I thought it was the right thing to do given his position. I think he hits it on the nail about what the Yankees were trying to do. It didn’t work and now they are in a pickle.

    Why it didn’t work?… IMO, bad trades, bad talent evaluation and most importantly because they were thinking mostly about the season at hand rather thinking in to two or three seasons down the road… The future finally caught up with them and they are somewhat naked with very little wiggle room to adapt.

    At this point I think they should start a rebuilding process. Trading Cano could be a good starting move. I agree with those that are concerned about his decline. We can ill afford another bad LT contract. We also need to improve our drafting position ( which means that having a not so good season may turn out to be a blessing in disguise ).

  76. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    OPS

    Cano

    Apr .977
    May .796
    Jun .735

    Wells

    Apr .911
    May .615
    Jun .269(!)

    Hafner

    Apr 1.104
    May .584
    Jun .591

    Against the tide:

    Ichiro

    Apr .644
    May .631
    Jun .803

    Gardner

    Apr .726
    May .780
    Jun .888(!)

  77. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    The Yankees OB% is now .301. What used to be a strength and enable them to wear down the opposing teams starters, is now nonexistent. Their total current “offensive” package is in the bottom 1/5th of all MLB teams.

    There are so many question marks. If the Yankees are unlikely to either negotiate with the current FA’s, with the exception being Cano, or offer Qualifying offers to any[predicted to be 14-15M] then look to trade them now, when the return would be higher, since the teams are getting a rental for an extra month.

    If the plan is to stay below the 189M threshold, then negotiate an extension now with Cano , however put a 5 year limit on the contract. If he and his agents say no way, then see what teams will give up if their allowed to have a window to extend, vs what they’ll get for him as a rental.

    Sometimes change is good. :)

    Thoughts?

  78. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Here’s some… stuff. Just wanted to flesh out squat’s statement a little more. Take it for what it’s worth:

    CC’s April: 3.35
    May: 4.14
    June: 5.10

    Kuroda’s April: 2.25
    May: 2.56
    June: 3.55

    Hughes’ April: 4.67
    May: 5.27
    June: 4.55

    Andy’s April: 3.86
    May: 3.78
    June: 4.83

    Phelps’ April: 5.29
    May: 4.32
    June: 2.66

    AL average ERA: 4.04; MLB average ERA: 3.91

  79. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I just don’t think the Yankees will punt the season unless they get very out of it before the trade deadline (which is possible).

    They aren’t sellers with the division the way it stands now and some of the A team returning soon.

  80. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Team batting slash lines by month:

    April: .261/.330/.432/.763
    May: .233/.286/.376/.662
    June: .218/.286/.327/.612

  81. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Me and squat!!! Wasting the day away!! Love it.

  82. luis June 28th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Shame,

    Randy’s take will only work if the entire FO is fired and a full fledged rebuilding process is embraced. Not likely on both counts. And the moves they should make are those directed at two or three seasons down the road rather than trying to fix something that IMO is beyond repair since we are several players short. Maybe trying to trade some pitching surplus prospects for position prospects, but mainly trading current roster players for prospects should be the way to go. Then wait for most bad contracts to go away and start getting FA on shorten terms and at younger ages. I know it doesn’t sound inspiring, but if they want sustained success in the future they need to start over. And it may take a while.

  83. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    I disagree with Chad, I think with Arod, Jeter, Granderson, Cervelli and Nunez back they are a better offense and can definitely make the postseason. Winning in the postseason, who knows…

  84. luis June 28th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am
    I just don’t think the Yankees will punt the season unless they get very out of it before the trade deadline (which is possible).

    They aren’t sellers with the division the way it stands now and some of the A team returning soon.

    ===============

    JS,

    You are probably right… The problem I see with your take is that the A team is not A anymore

  85. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    luis – I’d still hold out hope that a losing team would inspire some action by the FO. It’s weird but that would be the only time Levine being in the room would give me some comfort. And as much as I don’t like Cash’s disposition as of late, I have to believe after all of the years he’s spend working here that he’d like to field a team better than the one we’ve had this season.

  86. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am
    I just don’t think the Yankees will punt the season

    ——————

    Could you imagine what would happen if they traded Cano and Jeter and A-rod came back and played well. I understand the need to get younger and they have to but I don’t see them trading Cano or selling off every piece to get younger. Yes a portion of the fan base could live with it but a majority of it wouldn’t. You have fans saying Adams needs to be released/traded. No I’m not referring to the fans that feel he needs to go back down and regain his confidence. It’s the fans that see him and say well he’s a bust. If they can’t handle one kid struggling what makes anyone think they can live with a bunch of kids struggling.

  87. blake June 28th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    “If the Yanks didn’t sign Tex and the Angels picked the other HS guy they drafted we would have had Trout and then there is all the other top pitchers that we have passed over in the past so it is possible to get good and sometimes elite players were we pick”

    of course…..Matt Kemp was a 6th rounder. However luck plays a much bigger part later in the draft. If you want lower risk guys then you have to draft higher. There are examples of stars being taken later in drafts…..but tons of stars were high picks and if you never get a chance at those guys the likelyhood of developing a star goes down significantly IMO.

  88. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Trading Cano seems way more outside the realm of possibility than trading Grandy, Hughes, Joba, Phelps, Nova, Stewart (seriously), Logan, etc.

  89. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    That’s the big question-winning in the postseason. Even if all those players come back, can they beat the likes of teams like Texas, Detroit, Oakland with essentially the same offense after players return, that folded two years running?

  90. blake June 28th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    I think a lot of folks misunderstand me when I talk about where the Yankees draft…..yes you can find talent later in drafts and teams do….the Yankees do. My point is though that when you take the top 25 or so picks off the board every year for like the last 20 years and never have a shot at any of those players then it’s going to be harder to find star players…..a lot more risk is involved later in the draft and luck plays a much bigger factor…….it’s not that you can’t find stars beyond the first round…..it’s just not nearly as predictable as drafting Manny Machado or Bryce Harper.

  91. sar515 June 28th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Guess I am in the minority here…
    Things always look worse when going bad..
    A few weeks ago we were lauding Cash for our surprising success.
    The goal was to stay close until some of our guys get back.
    Well…we’re currently one game out of Wild card…and pretty close to best records in A.L.

    I don’t think it’s time to throw in the towel and re-build.

    Tex is a huge blow…
    I think Jeter and Grandy (hopefully A-Rod) can change the look of this team drastically in a few weeks. So will Pineda.
    We just have to keep our head above water.
    Some of the vets and rooks we have may actually be decent contributors…if they have some “real” hitters around.
    I love the idea of Michael Young…a great player I always thought would be a Yankee. Don’t think we’d have to mortgage the farm…and we do have some pitching surplus.
    I’d give some other minor leaguers “auditions” (Musty?)
    Lot of IFS…but I can see us hanging in until the final weeks of the season…then it all depends on who gets hot at right time.
    But let’s not throw in the towel (Joe!) just yet.
    And..let’s keep Cano!

  92. pat June 28th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    DanMartin_Post
    Arod showed up at the #yanks complex at 9 am followed immediately by jeter. Probably came straight from grabbing breakfast together.

  93. luis June 28th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Shame Spencer June 28th, 2013 at 9:48 am
    luis – I’d still hold out hope that a losing team would inspire some action by the FO. It’s weird but that would be the only time Levine being in the room would give me some comfort. And as much as I don’t like Cash’s disposition as of late, I have to believe after all of the years he’s spend working here that he’d like to field a team better than the one we’ve had this season.

    ======================

    Shame the optimist!! ;)

    I think that they would scramble if they tank this season… But I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing… First, even the Yankees have financial limitations, therefore going for a 300 mil payroll might put the team in financial danger with the way I see the economy going in general.. Second, I don’t think Cashman has the ability to navigate and execute a rebuilding process. At this point, we may need to have a couple of lousy seasons.

  94. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    And..let’s keep Cano!

    —————–

    I’m in favor of keeping him too not at any cost but I’d like to see him back.

  95. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    “Lyle Overbay said the Yankees haven’t been grinding out at-bats lately.”

    If that’s the case, proven by the dismal .301 and falling OB%, will it significantly get any better with the injured offensive players, when and if they return?

  96. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Yankee Trader June 28th, 2013 at 9:52 am
    That’s the big question-winning in the postseason. Even if all those players come back, can they beat the likes of teams like Texas, Detroit, Oakland with essentially the same offense after players return, that folded two years running?

    ==================

    Hey Trader,

    Good question… Easy answer… Even though the PS involves a great deal of luck it is very hard to forsee a different result when you try the same formula over and over again… In fact, I think this team will be much easily shut out in the PS by the good teams than the two previous ones…

  97. sar515 June 28th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    IF we make the playoffs…
    Could you foresee CC winning a game? Kuroda? Andy/Pineda?
    Why not?
    In a short series…it’s at least possible.

  98. pat June 28th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Ouch….

    Joelsherman1
    Holland’s 92 pitches were fewest in CG v. #Yankees since Steve Sparks’ 84 6/19/01, fewest in CG SHO since Mike Grace’s 84 9/2/87

  99. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    It’s possible they can win games in the PS. I think they just don’t match up as well as they did back in 09.

  100. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Luis-

    Good morning.

    I don’t necessarily want the Yankees to dump all their free agents a call it a season, but at the same time, i’d rather they get something now, or at least by the TD, if it’s going to be the same old one and done in the postseason.

  101. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    I want to keep Cano….but only at a price that won’t hamper the team if he falls off a cliff in 3 years. What that number is is up to Hal…..if he will eat the cost when Robbie declines then just pay him and keep him….if he’s going to refuse to sign anybody though and hold the contract against the team then no…..they need to play hardball.

  102. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    trading soon to be free agents doesn’t mean you can’t sign them in the winter…..

  103. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Until later.
    Have a great day.

  104. JobaTipsHisCap June 28th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    they can’t do nothing.
    they should accept the fact that current Yankees are .500 team, or slightly better than that.

  105. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Yankee Trader June 28th, 2013 at 10:11 am
    Luis-

    Good morning.

    I don’t necessarily want the Yankees to dump all their free agents a call it a season, but at the same time, i’d rather they get something now, or at least by the TD, if it’s going to be the same old one and done in the postseason.

    =====================

    This is the crux of the issue… No matter how you see it, the result is not appealing… It’s basically pick your poison at this point… I agree that the time to trade most of the current roster was last winter at the latest… What we might get in exchange for a few months of service of those players may not be of much worth either… Very bad position to be in.

  106. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    sar515,

    The problem is not the pitching, but the offense… The pitchers can’t score for you… Yesterday was a prime example… Hughes pitched very well but the O got shut out on 92 pitches

  107. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Good day Trader

  108. yankee21 June 28th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Blake, to me the key to Cano is how grounded in reality is the overall Yankee strategy to excel going forward.

    If they have a clear plan to compete for titles over the long term and are confidant Cano is essential to that plan, then extend him at the number that fits their planned payroll structure, whatever number that is.

    All indications though based on either a lack of deciseveness, inconsistency in decision-making and contradicting objectives (win now but drop payroll while locked into non performing high contracts) they don’t have any kind of real plan.

    I don’t trust Cashman when it comes to trades and I doubt Hal had the stomach to do what it takes to win )(pay the price) so I have little confidence they will so the right thing.

  109. PacoDooley June 28th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Rich in NJ June 28th, 2013 at 7:51 am
    I would gauge what Cano could bring back in a trade.
    ————————————

    I imagine that a contending team with a legit chance to win it all would trade at least their top prospect + for Cano – think the packages offered for Lee when he was in his FA year (Montero+Adams or whatever it was). Who is on the cusp and needs a 2B?

    With him as a FA this trade does not impact the team next year since they can bring him back as a FA and not have to surrender a draft pick. I don’t see the return of A-Rod, Jeter and Granderson as enough to turn this season into a championship. They likely will suffer a bit for the next 2-3 years, so might as well start to build the leading prspect talent pool…

  110. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    trading soon to be free agents doesn’t mean you can’t sign them in the winter…..

    ————————–

    True but how will the player take to being traded??

  111. LathamJoe June 28th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    The best (and most logical) solution is to end the incompetent reign of the General Manager and all his cronies. The myriad of mistakes made by Cashman over the past 4-5 years is simply amazing…amazing that he still has a job in baseball! The long term signings have hamstrung the payroll potential of the greatest baseball Franchise in sports history. Add to the fact that the clueless Steinbrothers have no head or heart for winning baseball tradition and you have a scenario not unlike the Mid-60s after the CBS Group purchased the Yankees. Normally, a well-run organization could look to its MiLB system for needed help. Not this organization! No position player prospects to be found. Ironically, the strongest player position within the organization is pitching – with no real frontline starters..just “hype” for mediocre performers like Betances, Nova, Brackman (remember him?), Banuelos. How about the days of the “Tri-Boro Trio? Hughes, Joba and Kennedy…untradeable! :-) TRADE CANO? Ridiculous! This team NEEDS all the good position players it can handle! Cashman keeps wasting time and money signing DFAs, has beens, and never will be’s…..blocking some young potential prospect from developing within the MiLB system. And to put the proverbial “cherry on top’, Management has the gaul to charge the most outrageous prices for admission and concessions this side of Boston! I rode this out in the 60s, 70s and most of the 80s and I’ll stick with the Bombers, but Sheeeeesh! No trips to The Stadium for me this Season.

  112. sar515 June 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Luis -
    Believe me…I am well aware of Yanks offensive woes! My point was IF we make it to the playoffs…3 or 4 good pitching performances could carry us. If you get really good pitching…the offense just has to be enough to get by. Can the Yanks score 2-3 runs in games. I think they could.

  113. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 10:34 am
    blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    trading soon to be free agents doesn’t mean you can’t sign them in the winter…..

    ————————–

    True but how will the player take to being traded??

    ==================

    Lee didn’t take it at heart, he returned to the Phillies… Probably this was talked before hand though

  114. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “True but how will the player take to being traded??”

    I think you have to talk to them beforehand…..be transparent. For example they could call Cano in and say look…..this team isn’t good enough this year and we haven’t been able to reach an extension agreement. We would like to explore trading you to a contender this year in hopes of getting back guys that can help us in the future…..we’d love to re-sign you this winter to add to those players if you’re willing and we can work it out but at this point we can’t afford to lose a player of your caliber for a draft pick.

  115. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:38 am
    Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 10:34 am
    blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    trading soon to be free agents doesn’t mean you can’t sign them in the winter…..

    ————————–

    True but how will the player take to being traded??

    ==================

    Lee didn’t take it at heart, he returned to the Phillies… Probably this was talked before hand though

    ——————————-

    True.

    Lee had some weird obsession with Philly. He loved them on a real level. But as we know every player is different.

  116. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    sar515 June 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am
    Luis -
    Believe me…I am well aware of Yanks offensive woes! My point was IF we make it to the playoffs…3 or 4 good pitching performances could carry us. If you get really good pitching…the offense just has to be enough to get by. Can the Yanks score 2-3 runs in games. I think they could.

    =======================

    Sure, this is possible…But not likely :( Usually balance wins the most and we have a pretty flawed team on our hands… But sure I wish they get hot at the right time and win it all

  117. LathamJoe June 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    sar515:
    As Coach Jim Mora apropriately asked: Playoffs? Playoffs?? PLAYOFFS???

  118. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 15m
    The #Rangers were one of the clubs that scouted Garza yesterday. Struck out a season-high 10, third straight impressive outing. #Cubs

    don’t do it Cashman

  119. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Daniel Barbarisi ?@DanBarbarisi 6m
    What do the rank-and-file Yankees think about all the hubbub over ARod’s return? Not much, it turns out- “Alex who?” http://on.wsj.com/14dqpw4

  120. bruceb June 28th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Yanks are six or seven players short of having a decent lineup.

    Apart from Cano, Ichiro and Gardner, most of them would be lucky to play more than a handful of games without injuries. And let’s not forget, many here were castigating Cashman for giving Ichiro a two-year deal earlier in the season while others were describing Gardner as a “fourth outfielder.”

    There’s no quick fix before the ASB, by which time they could be seven or eight games out of first place. No point applying a bandaid when the cut is deep and requires stitches.

  121. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Blake,

    :lol: I like the way you think ;)

  122. longtimefan June 28th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    To be honest, offensive has been a problem for the yankees since 2009, last year hit a ton of home runs only to have the offensive vanish in the playoffs, guys like Swisher, Cano, Tex, Martin, Granderson all stopped hitting at once, pitching has been good enough to get to post season when offense was present but this year most of those guys are gone or hurt. Very little chance of even making the post season. With the new “budget” looming the only viable option is to try and trade for top prospects and give them a few years to develope. Maybe also take a long look at Kevin Long, when so many guys stop putting up the numbers they had in the past it makes you scratch you head and wonder. Adams comes up initially hitting pretty well and now looks like he forgets how to bat, Almonte 0 for 10 after looking so smooth at the plate at first, no doubt there is a difference from AAA but other teams rookies seem to be fairing better.

  123. Hankflorida June 28th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    The article states that until the all star break, the Yankee play the Twins seven games, Orioles six and Royals four. If pitching and defense can sustain them in order to be ten games above five hundred against not to stiff competition when the break comes, the returning regular players may be able to solidify this team for a run at the playoffs. If the team cannot hold the fort in these seventeen games and as the article says, the Yankees will fall so far behind that even the calvary of returning players will not be able to save them.

  124. Niblick June 28th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Why on earth would Cano accept that kind of arrangement?

    Why on earth would he even want to re-sign with the Yankees, who are likely to be fighting for the basement for the next four years?

  125. PacoDooley June 28th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Following on my last comment – which contender needs a 2B and has the prospects? Is Atlanta going to take a 2B with Uggla on the roster (regardless of his low BA)?

    Maybe the Cardinals see their opportunity? I assume that Carpenter is not playing 2B (listed as a 2B, I assume he plays 3B most of the time?). They obviously have the talent pool to make a trade work and a legit shot at winning another WS (and a concern that the Pirates have caught up to them)

  126. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    True.

    Lee had some weird obsession with Philly. He loved them on a real level. But as we know every player is different.

    ================

    Odds,

    I have a feeling that Cano loves to be a Yankee ( firing Boras is very telling IMO ), so I think they might make a gentlemen’s agreement on this… But in any case, more than 6 years would be a very dumb contract

  127. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:40 am
    “True but how will the player take to being traded??”

    I think you have to talk to them beforehand…..be transparent. For example they could call Cano in and say look…..this team isn’t good enough this year and we haven’t been able to reach an extension agreement. We would like to explore trading you to a contender this year in hopes of getting back guys that can help us in the future…..we’d love to re-sign you this winter to add to those players if you’re willing and we can work it out but at this point we can’t afford to lose a player of your caliber for a draft pick.

    ———————

    It sounds good on paper but you never know how some players react to things like hat. What if that happened and he signed somewhere for less just because

  128. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    There’s no quick fix before the ASB, by which time they could be seven or eight games out of first place. No point applying a bandaid when the cut is deep and requires stitches.

    ==================

    Very good analogy Bruce

  129. PacoDooley June 28th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Niblick June 28th, 2013 at 10:46 am
    Why on earth would Cano accept that kind of arrangement?

    Why on earth would he even want to re-sign with the Yankees, who are likely to be fighting for the basement for the next four years?
    ———————————

    Cano has been a Yankees his whole career and seems to like the idea of being part of the storied franchise and playing in NY. He had that episode of being upset with the team because he felt like his contract was overly team friendly, but I imagine he largely has a good relationship with the team. They will probably suck for a couple of years or more, but he may feel too much of a pull to the team above the chance to win elsewhere (and he has won a championship in NY and seen a lot of division wins and playoff appearances, so it’s not like he needs to go somewhere to finally get a taste of what it is like to win, which motivates some players)

  130. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “Following on my last comment – which contender needs a 2B and has the prospects? Is Atlanta going to take a 2B with Uggla on the roster (regardless of his low BA)?”

    Detroit….Washington….Giants……everybody would want Cano. I like the matchup with Detroit. I’d ask for Castellanos….the Tigers may balk at that but when they went back and thought about a lineup with Cano, Miggy, and Prince in the middle …..with that rotation…..they might just bite. Their owner is old and wants a title bad…..Detroit the city wants a title bad…..trading for Cano gives them about as good a chance as possible……heck throw Joba in to help their pen!

  131. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:47 am
    True.

    Lee had some weird obsession with Philly. He loved them on a real level. But as we know every player is different.

    ================

    Odds,

    I have a feeling that Cano loves to be a Yankee ( firing Boras is very telling IMO ), so I think they might make a gentlemen’s agreement on this… But in any case, more than 6 years would be a very dumb contract

    ———–

    It would be dumb if they add his contract on top of other new long term contracts. At the end of Cano’s deal whatever it will be he will be the only one on the team now that will be on the team then.

  132. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    “Why on earth would Cano accept that kind of arrangement?”

    it’s not an arrangement….it’s a conversation….he doesn’t have to accept anything…..but if your him then what’s wrong with it? You get to go to a contender for 3 months and try to win a WS and then you still have the same options as a FA when the season is over.

  133. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “It sounds good on paper but you never know how some players react to things like hat. What if that happened and he signed somewhere for less just because”

    what if he signs somewhere else anyway just because? He’s probably going to take the most money offered because that’s what players typically do. If he wants to stay in NY then hey get the extension done…..that’s how you show you want to stay.

  134. Niblick June 28th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    There’s nothing “storied” about the current Yankees, unless you’re talking about stories about A-rod, PEDs, Cashman cursing in public, etc.

    The Yankees haven’t gone out of their way to show Cano any particular respect; they could have re-signed him or extended him long ago. He saw what they did during Jeter’s last negotiations. Why should he expect anything different from them in his case?

    I think he wants to win; he’s smart enough to know that isn’t going to happen for at least the first half of his contract, if he re-signs with the Yankees.

  135. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 16m
    #chisox are open for business. rios, ramirez, danks, peavy, crain, thornton, lindstrom, kepp. in mix http://cbsprt.co/10o4iSY

  136. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    . If he wants to stay in NY then hey get the extension done…..that’s how you show you want to stay.

    —————

    They could have extended him yrs ago. Hell Boras suggested the idea of extending and Cashman shot it down.

  137. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Keeping Cano all year without an extension in no way guarantees he’s going to stay…..all that guarantees is that if he does leave then you get nothing but a draft pick for him and that if he stays you’re going to pay top dollar.

    Either get an extension done or trade him…..unless the Yankee FO really thinks this is a WS team.

  138. PacoDooley June 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:50 am
    “Following on my last comment – which contender needs a 2B and has the prospects? Is Atlanta going to take a 2B with Uggla on the roster (regardless of his low BA)?”

    Detroit….Washington….Giants……everybody would want Cano. I like the matchup with Detroit. I’d ask for Castellanos….the Tigers may balk at that but when they went back and thought about a lineup with Cano, Miggy, and Prince in the middle …..with that rotation…..they might just bite. Their owner is old and wants a title bad…..Detroit the city wants a title bad…..trading for Cano gives them about as good a chance as possible……heck throw Joba in to help their pen!
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    You think Detroit wants an upgrade over Infante that badly that they would trade some significant talent? I assume Infante is installed at 2B, though I am not good at keeping track of rosters!

  139. ron June 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Like tex said,no player is worth 20 million,or something along those lines.I heard him say it in an interview.
    A 20 million plus player has to give you a certain level of productivity,and it it very unlikely as a player approaches 33-35 years old that they can.
    It is a young mans game.Always was,alwayswill be,and steroids,ped’s,masked that reality,and still might be doing so,maybe to a lesser degree.
    If the league avg 3b is hitting .260/18 hr/70 rbi/.770 ops,you don’t wan’t every,or a lot of your position players to be below league avg,and the more positions that are below that league avg,year to year,the better pitching you need to compensate.
    This team just can’t compete on the highest level with stewart,romine,nix,adams,wells,overbay,ichiro,gardner,etc…
    Maybe a miracle happens,and adams,etc… start hitting,but at what point do you make a move?

    I don’t know if adams is the answer,but he most definitely is not a 3b,and he has to put up 3b type numbers too not be below league avg.Imo,move him to 2b,where as a 2b,you don’t have too put up numbers as good.
    Guage what cano can get us in a trade.Who knows,maybe we get a nice package.
    I’d be happy with a stud pitching prospect,a stud infield prospect,and maybe something else.Just not sure he gets us that much now.It might be too late.
    But i’d wan’t at the minimum,a position prospect,and a p prospect,or 2 top position prospects,maybe even just 2 pitching prospects,but if we feel banuelos,ramirez,depaula,and co,are good enough,give me 2 nice position prospects.But I always like a nice p prospect.

  140. blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    “They could have extended him yrs ago. Hell Boras suggested the idea of extending and Cashman shot it down.”

    depends on what money they were talking about. Maybe the Yankees are worried about an early decline too and wanted to play this year out and see how he played…..right now his stock is lower than it was a year ago…..he can fix that with a huge 2nd half but what if he hits .285 with a .850 OPS for the season? good player but not what he’s been the last 2 years.

  141. luis June 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Paco,

    Castellanos is blocked by no other than Miggy… The Blake proposal sounds very good for both teams

  142. bruceb June 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    I agree with you, Luis. I think Cano wants to remain a Yankee and build a legacy in the Bronx. But if the Yanks want to give him the type of the deal the Sox gave Carl Crawford ($142 over seven) and he wants ARod or Pujols-type money, the gap may be too big to bridge.

  143. PacoDooley June 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    blake June 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am
    Keeping Cano all year without an extension in no way guarantees he’s going to stay…..all that guarantees is that if he does leave then you get nothing but a draft pick for him and that if he stays you’re going to pay top dollar.

    Either get an extension done or trade him…..unless the Yankee FO really thinks this is a WS team.
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    Agreed, and he is worth a lot more to a team right now than a supplemental draft pick. There are few prospects that a team would not trade for Cano if they thought that he was the ticket to a WS win.

    I definitely agree with Blake that a team like Detroit is all in for a win given their ownership and current roster construction. The question is whether they see 2B as a hole?

  144. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    “You think Detroit wants an upgrade over Infante that badly that they would trade some significant talent? I assume Infante is installed at 2B, though I am not good at keeping track of rosters!”

    They traded Jacob Turner to rent Anibal Sanchez last year……Infante is ok…..he’s not Cano. He’s got 5 homers and 24 RBI……you put Cano in front of Miggy where teams have to pitch to him and the possibilites are endless……yea I think they might do it.

  145. luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    bruceb June 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am
    I agree with you, Luis. I think Cano wants to remain a Yankee and build a legacy in the Bronx. But if the Yanks want to give him the type of the deal the Sox gave Carl Crawford ($142 over seven) and he wants ARod or Pujols-type money, the gap may be too big to bridge.

    ===============

    I agree with this too Bruce… I wouldn’t even go to 7 years either

  146. Jerkface June 28th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    JS,

    The Yankees need more than their pitching to return to May form. They were a .500 club in may even with the good pitching (something something pitching is the best something something). They need the offense to be atleast league average AND the pitching to become the best in the league that it was.

  147. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I doubt Detroit sees 2B as a hole…..but it’s certainly an area that could be upgraded with Cano……Cano, Miggy, Prince would be an all time level middle of the order…..a nightmare for opposing pitchers. You combine that with their rotation and it’s real tough….they were close last year…..would they go that extra mile to get over the hump?

  148. sar515 June 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    So now you all are not only writing this year off (one game out of wild card)…But the next several seasons as well?? I think we Yankee fans are spoiled. I’d say objectively that we’ve had a pretty good run of playoffs the past several years…with some new and different players added to our core. Do you really think that the Yanks won’t be signing any new quality FA’s over the next few years? That none of our minor leaguers are going to pan out? That we aren’t going to get any production from our current roster?

    Don’t be so pessimistic…The yanks have not tanked in quite a while…1965 was 48 years ago.
    Lighten up!

  149. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    One interesting split.

    Cano

    Home: .259 .341 .442 .783

    Away: .293 .373 .537 .911

    A sign he should be traded? ;)

  150. PacoDooley June 28th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:00 am
    “You think Detroit wants an upgrade over Infante that badly that they would trade some significant talent? I assume Infante is installed at 2B, though I am not good at keeping track of rosters!”

    They traded Jacob Turner to rent Anibal Sanchez last year……Infante is ok…..he’s not Cano. He’s got 5 homers and 24 RBI……you put Cano in front of Miggy where teams have to pitch to him and the possibilites are endless……yea I think they might do it.
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    I suppose he is relatively cheap given what he offers – I could see him thriving in that lineup and on that roster, to the point that he would want to stay. But I wonder if they would manage to add yet another expensive talent given the investment in Fielder, Verlander and Miggy.

    But wow, imagine that lineup and that starting pitching. Detroit could use some relief help – I wonder if there is a package with the Yankees throwing in a reliever?

  151. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Jerkface June 28th, 2013 at 11:02 am
    JS,

    The Yankees need more than their pitching to return to May form. They were a .500 club in may even with the good pitching (something something pitching is the best something something). They need the offense to be atleast league average AND the pitching to become the best in the league that it was.

    Well yeah, I agree that the May pitching would still not be enough if the offense stays tanked as it is now.

  152. luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    sar515 June 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
    So now you all are not only writing this year off (one game out of wild card)…But the next several seasons as well?? I think we Yankee fans are spoiled. I’d say objectively that we’ve had a pretty good run of playoffs the past several years…with some new and different players added to our core. Do you really think that the Yanks won’t be signing any new quality FA’s over the next few years? That none of our minor leaguers are going to pan out? That we aren’t going to get any production from our current roster?

    Don’t be so pessimistic…The yanks have not tanked in quite a while…1965 was 48 years ago.
    Lighten up!

    ==================

    I like your optimism ;) But the team has been trending down for a while now… Failing to see this and act accordingly has put us in this situation… Sure we can make the PS maybe ( pitching needs to be otherwordly though ), but chances are that we may end up short yet again. The core is old or gone or injury prone, it needs to be replaced. The sooner they start addressing this the better

  153. 86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    I actually think a re-tooling year in 2014 would be fun and fans would embrace it if enough young players were involved.

    Still, I have trouble envisioning the Yanks becoming trading deadline sellers unless they are well out of it.

  154. 86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Luis —

    Are you saying you want them to bail on this season ASAP ??

  155. Doreen June 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    86w183 -

    But only if those players, young or not, produce.

    they’re NOT going to be happy with a team full of .189 hitters, no matter what their age or pedigree.

  156. PacoDooley June 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    sar515 June 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
    So now you all are not only writing this year off (one game out of wild card)…But the next several seasons as well?? I think we Yankee fans are spoiled. I’d say objectively that we’ve had a pretty good run of playoffs the past several years…with some new and different players added to our core. Do you really think that the Yanks won’t be signing any new quality FA’s over the next few years? That none of our minor leaguers are going to pan out? That we aren’t going to get any production from our current roster?

    Don’t be so pessimistic…The yanks have not tanked in quite a while…1965 was 48 years ago.
    Lighten up!

    —————————-

    I don’t see this as a collection of naysayers – people are being realistic. This is not a good team and they are returning to the winning % dictated by their true talent level. Wells and Pronk (and even Youk) were off to good starts and now look like the players we assumed they were – injured or ineffective. This is not like past seasons where a losing streak was seen as doom and gloom despite the Yankees leading baseball in offence and being near the top in winning %.

  157. luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Paco,

    Joba would be a very good candidate for that relief corps

  158. bruceb June 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Do you really think that the Yanks won’t be signing any new quality FA’s over the next few years?

    What quality free agents will be on the market next year that you would like to sign?

    That none of our minor leaguers are going to pan out?

    Which ones have succeeded so far and how many “can’t miss” prospects do we have in the farm right now?

    That we aren’t going to get any production from our current roster?

    The Yanks are averaging under four runs a game and 78 games is hardly a small sample. No, they aren’t going to get enough production from their current roster until Granderson, ARod and Jeter return (healthy and prepared). And even then, it probably won’t be enough.

  159. pkyankfan69 June 28th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    The entirely way too early Yankee fire sale:

    Cano – Traded to Oakland – Receive: Addison Russell (SS) + Sonny Gray (RHP)

    Kuroda – Traded to the Dodgers – Receive: Joc Pederson (OF)

    Granderson – Traded to San Fran – Receive: Kyle Crich (RHP)

    Hughes – Keep – No value now – Hope he has a better 2nd half and rejects the QO for a pick

    Logan – Trade for a decent B prospect to bullpen needy team Det/Bos/etc

    Joba – Traded to the Astros – Receive: Can of Farts

    Only the Joba trade should be done right now.

  160. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 11:08 am
    I actually think a re-tooling year in 2014 would be fun and fans would embrace it if enough young players were involved.

    —————————

    They would get behind that if the young players did well.

  161. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    How about Thornton?

    LHB hitting .152/.220/.348 off him (but getting killed by RHB, .925 OPS)

  162. luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am
    Luis —

    Are you saying you want them to bail on this season ASAP ??

    ========================

    Not necessarily… But as I said to YT, there isn’t a good option here, it’s basically pick your poison… The moment to trade most of the players was last winter at the latest… Waiting for the season to end might prevent the team to secure better talent for the future ( comp DP at best )… So if they don’t think they have a winner, they should move on IMO and start the rebuilding process

  163. implosion June 28th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Why does Cano get such a pass on this board ? He is underperforming and could really be helping this team. His is an average second baseman who showed what he can do in WBC but has reverted to his lazy old self. Just thinking $$$$$ and nothing else. He is a double play machine with men on base.

  164. CompassRosy June 28th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    blake says:
    June 28, 2013 at 8:17 am
    Raul is certainly making the decision to let him go look questionable…..

    ~ ~ ~

    Speaking of Raul, with the callup of Brad Miller last night, it’s truly Raul and the kids . . .

    @StoneLarry: M’s can almost start full home-grown lineup: Felix p, Zunino c, Franklin 2b, Miller ss, Seager 3b, Ibanez lf, Ackley cf, Saunders rf.

  165. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    This fan base couldn’t handle the 08 transition yr there is no way they could deal with a full rebuild.

  166. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Oh good the trolls are out

  167. luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 11:19 am
    This fan base couldn’t handle the 08 transition yr there is no way they could deal with a full rebuild.

    ================

    They endured it through the early 90′s… Most won’t watch, that’s a given… But if things done right, we might be on the rebound by 2016

  168. 86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Why does Cano get such a pass on this board ? He is underperforming and could really be helping this team. His is an average second baseman who showed what he can do in WBC but has reverted to his lazy old self. Just thinking $$$$$ and nothing else. He is a double play machine with men on base.

    *************************************************************************

    This is the first time I’ve seen a concern that people are too easy on Cano. By and large many of his critics — and I’ve certainly been one — get ripped for “hating” Cano and trying to “dump him” at every opportunity.

    Cano’s had a mediocre at best season, no argument there. and I’m on record as being opposed to a long term deal @ $20 + million a year.

  169. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    “Hughes – Keep – No value now – Hope he has a better 2nd half and rejects the QO for a pick”

    I disagree here….I think he has value….especially to a west coast team in a bigger ball park. Teams like the Dodgers, Angels, Giants etc…..

  170. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    luis June 28th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    JS,

    You are probably right… The problem I see with your take is that the A team is not A anymore

    Well it’s relative.

    Even a B Team is a big improvement for the F Team.

  171. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Thing is, if the Yankees sell, there are going to be a lot of ticked off season ticket holders. I’m not sure how understanding the masses would be.

  172. scuzzles June 28th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Yanks should make a blockbuster trade somehow, dont care whose involved, this team isnt good enought right now. Enough picking up junk from the trash pile. AND FIRE KEVIN LONG! I dont know how this guy keeps his job. Guys come here and can hit until he gets his hands on them.

  173. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Cano hit .313/.374/.578/.953 in the first half last year……clearly he’s not performing as well as he usually does so far…..I think some of it is the lineup around him…..some of it may just be a slow start…..but some of it might be just the very hint of decline.

  174. PacoDooley June 28th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am
    Paco,

    Joba would be a very good candidate for that relief corps
    —————————

    Except his 6+ ERA and inability to get anyone out hurts his value (does he have any value left?). They really missed the chance to cash in on his talent via trade – his value was amazingly high a few years ago…

  175. pkyankfan69 June 28th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Blake,

    On Hughes I’d def shop him now also… Weigh your options… Can you get more of a return now? Or would the sandwich pick bring more value?

    Tough to say, hopefully Hughes pitches his butt off in July both to help the team and build value.

  176. G. Love June 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    I know it sounds odd coming from me, but too much gloom and doom in here today guys.

    We’re 2-3 bats away from taking this division. And they don’t have to be Stanton. Just real hitters and not the Long Island Ducks.

    There’s a lot of guys having down seasons that I think the Yankees should buy low on and take their shots. Guys like Morneau & Konerko & even Soriano all aren’t having “top prosepcts in a deal” seasons. Maybe they’re cooked. Maybe they get a 2nd wind here like Ichiro did.

    I trade some chum from the minors for those guys in a heartbeat.

    The Yankees should go get guys, not stars, like Shierholtz, Cuddyer and maybe even look into Rios if the price is nothing.

    You make the lineup sounder, more circular in spots and we’ll score more runs. It’s not brain surgery.

    The Red Sox dropped a bomb on their offense last year and made some smart pick ups from guys who weren’t stars, per se, but strong contributors.

    Right now, this lineup feels like the Yankees are waiving the white flag on the seasons a bit.

    But we’re not far enough out of anything to be acting that way.

    I do think that many of our worst fears about Cashman and Hal and what the real plan was were spot on.

    Why Hal Steinbrenner is turning the most exclusive franchise in sports history into a nickel and dime operation makes me think that the team is a just a toy/game for him. It’s like playing Sim City for him. I had a feeling he wanted to test the limits and see what would happen by screwing things around in the hopes of making an extra 10 cents.

    This season isn’t over, but it’s going to take a bold move or 2 to get us back into the game offensively. Most teams aren’t loaded 1-9 anymore.

  177. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:21 am
    Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 11:19 am
    This fan base couldn’t handle the 08 transition yr there is no way they could deal with a full rebuild.

    ================

    They endured it through the early 90?s

    ———————

    That was a different time. There was no sustained success. They hadn’t made the post season since 81.

  178. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “Thing is, if the Yankees sell, there are going to be a lot of ticked off season ticket holders. I’m not sure how understanding the masses would be.”

    I can’t imagine season ticket holders being all that excited about watching this current team play……I realize not all fans are smart….however most Yankee fans should understand and embrace smart moves if they make the team better long term. I’m not ready to mail the season in yet…..they are only 1 game out of the wild card……but if things begin to trend down instead of up in July then I’d love to see them call a spade a spade for once and admit that the team isn’t good enough and start thinking about the future a bit.

  179. luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:23 am
    luis June 28th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    JS,

    You are probably right… The problem I see with your take is that the A team is not A anymore

    Well it’s relative.

    Even a B Team is a big improvement for the F Team.

    =============

    We agree on this ;)

  180. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Unfortunately Rios seems to be on the same tracjectory as much of our team.

    Apr .863
    May .811
    Jun .701

    Maybe he could be energized by a trade to the Yankees, maybe not.

  181. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    “On Hughes I’d def shop him now also… Weigh your options… Can you get more of a return now? Or would the sandwich pick bring more value?”

    I think so yea…..I think there is some team out there that probably looks at Hughes as a guy they could fix or a guy that would do better in their park…..

  182. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    With Hughes, you might be able to trade him now for a useful piece and not hurt the team. Possibly Nova or Warren, or maybe Pineda could be as good.

  183. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    G. Love,

    I agree they are maybe 2 or 3 solid bats away from taking the division…..but IMO that’s in addition to getting the guys back healthy that they already have and getting 2 or 3 real bats at a trade deadline when every team is looking for help isn’t very realistic…..they’ll be lucky to find one legit hitter that doesn’t cost them half the farm system.

    I think this team can make the playoffs……can they avoid getting slaughtered by the Tigers or somebody else though…..I don’t see it. Their pitching is solid 1-5…..but it’s built more for the regular season than a playoff series IMO. They have good pitchers…..they don’t have anybody that will shut down teams in playoff games

  184. ron June 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Hughes has more value than most think.It is not easy to get even decent pitching.A decent pitcher that eats 200 innings,or close is very valuable.

  185. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    “Thing is, if the Yankees sell, there are going to be a lot of ticked off season ticket holders. I’m not sure how understanding the masses would be.”

    ————————

    They wouldn’t be understanding at all.

  186. Niblick June 28th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    2 or 3 solid bats away? Do you realize you’re talking 1/3 of the starting lineup? That’s like saying that a penniless person is only a million bucks away from being a millionaire.

  187. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    They may have the pitching for the playoffs. Kuroda can shut down any team. CC could get back to being more like CC. Never bet against Andy in the playoffs.

    By that time, if Jeter, Arod, Granderson, Cervelli are added, healthy and playing like they can, they have a decent shot.

  188. Hassey June 28th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Everyone talks about “the masses” or “the fan base” or “Yankee fans” as if they themselves are not part of it…no one snowflake believes it is responsible for the avalanche

  189. luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    G. Love June 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    ==================

    LMAO!!! You are not Doom and Gloom ever ( very realistic IMO )

    So you propose to trade for more scrap heap talent basically… Delaying the inevitable rebuilding that has to take place… What happens if we don’t catch lightning in the bottle and we miss a few good opportunities to enhance the club going forward?… That might add a couple of years to the down period in my view… The way I see it, we need one or a couple of bad seasons to have a better drafting position and improve the talent pool…

  190. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    The Yankees have a -5 run differential….on this date a year ago it was +62.

  191. luis June 28th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    BRB

  192. mick June 28th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    I like your optimism ;) But the team has been trending down for a while now… Failing to see this and act accordingly has put us in this situation… Sure we can make the PS maybe ( pitching needs to be otherwordly though ), but chances are that we may end up short yet again. The core is old or gone or injury prone, it needs to be replaced. The sooner they start addressing this the better
    ==================
    Luis.
    You are elected the president of the gloom and doom fan club. Congratulations.
    Not saying you are the only one, and of course, you can say whatever you want, but why is every post a reminder of our past mistakes, our future demise, etc…?
    We all know the error of our ways as we hear it in every post you make…

  193. Nick in SF June 28th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “Hell Boras suggested the idea of extending and Cashman shot it down.”

    Are you sure?

  194. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    How about Konerko to play 1B vs LHP?

    .286/.385/.518 vs LHP this year.

  195. Mike in Harrisburg June 28th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    I’d love to see a deal with SF headlined by Hughes for Belt.

    More generally speaking, I simply don’t think the FO has the stones to do what is best for the team long term – which is move the pending free agents for replacements who have potential and are under team control for years to come.

    Strangely, this new paradigm for the Yankees is one that most other teams in the league have operated under for some time now.

  196. Mike in Harrisburg June 28th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Rafael De Paula named to All-Star Futures World Team!

  197. G. Love June 28th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    luis,

    At least you go down fighting. What happens if we take on Morneau and we give up nothing in return and he hits 15 HR’s and close to .280 the rest of the way?

    It could happen in our park. He hit 19HR’s last year in a short season.

    I’d rather try then curl up in a ball and spout play guys not ready for the majors and let’s save money so Hal gets richer.

    And yes, when I say 2-3 bats I’m assuming Grandy, Cervelli and Jeter all show up and play at some point.

    And if the chance exists to get a bat like Stanton, I’ll trade all the minor league OF’ers we have for him right now. I think this assumption in this forum that every one of these prospects are going to be solid major league players is a little too optimistic.

    The guy I wouldn’t trade anything of value for is Headley. I don’t believe in San Diego players. I think they leave that little love nest and fall to pieces when they get traded from culture shock.

  198. GregD June 28th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Our payroll is north of $200 million–that’s nickel and dime

  199. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    The 2 or 3 bats the Yanks need to get in order to stay in contention would need to be better than the Yanks can obtain with the resources they have.

    The fact is, the Yanks are hugely lucky to have the record they do. A healthy Tex and Youk are now off the board, and it is very much a question whether ARod and even more Jeter will be able to contribute anything. That leaves Granderson who will be a huge net gain but only a drop in the bucket of what is needed. Cervelli and Nunez aren’t turning things around.

    The Yanks are 22nd in runs scored, and the trend here is not their friend.

    Even if the Yanks are hugely lucky and somehow make the playoffs, how long do you think they last? The best team you can reasonably imagine won’t be as good as last year’s team was.

    The Yanks have outlasted any reasonable winning cycle mainly due to the insanely great talent of their core players and the Yanks’ willingness to spend money. But all things come to an end sooner or later.

    The Yanks need to realize this is the end of a cycle, and take the steps necessary to begin a new one.

  200. austinmac June 28th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Anyone who isn’t concerned about the next few years needs to look more closely at the roster and the minor league system. Offensively, there is very, very little coming up in the next year or two. Certainly, no one projected to be a potential all-star player.

    I believe the only way to avoid a long term downturn is to act to stop it. Get what you can for your free agents. At this point the Astros are probably feeling more optimistic for the future.

    We have for so long not paid any atention to offensive shortcomings, particularly in in the long-term. Free agency is no longer what it was even if the Yankees hadn’t lost their wallet for 2014.

    We are now in negative numbers in run differential. Boy, that is plummeting by the week. Teams do not win with negative run differential. Arod, from many reports, is not coming back this year. The only reason in the world to have hopes for Jeter is that he is Jeter. He would be doing something no one has ever done, returning at 39 from two broken ankles to play SS.

  201. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    “Our payroll is north of $200 million–that’s nickel and dime”

    a lot of that’s an illusion though because so much of is either dead money or money for guys that can’t play anymore. They refused all winter to put any money on the 2014 books and they have grown ever more conservative in the international market…..passing on their last chances to throw their weight around before the rules changed…….now they can’t spend in the draft or internationally without hefty penalties.

    No a 230 million dollar payroll isn’t nickel and dime…..but the value they have gotten from that 230 million has to be the least efficient baseball roster in the history of the sport……

  202. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Nick in SF June 28th, 2013 at 11:43 am
    “Hell Boras suggested the idea of extending and Cashman shot it down.”

    Are you sure?

    ——————

    Yes Boras threw out the idea of an extension. Cashman replied we have a policy and don’t extend during the current contract Scott knows that. Boras replied that he was just joking.

  203. blake June 28th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    “The Yanks need to realize this is the end of a cycle, and take the steps necessary to begin a new one.”

    at the very least they need to avoid hurting the process of starting a new one in the future……if they want to stick it out this year and try to make the playoffs then fine…..but they need to avoid robbing from next year and beyond to try and super glue a wild card birth on the resume.

  204. Run it Out June 28th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    “You get to go to a contender for 3 months and try to win a WS and then you still have the same options as a FA when the season is over.”
    ———-
    And since you were traded mid season, the signing team would not forfeit their draft pick to sign you!

  205. Nick in SF June 28th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Odds, that isn’t exactly what happened, though it’s been repeated like that in the past.

    What Boras suggested was that the Yanks decline their team option on Cano, thus making him a free agent and then they would discuss an extension. Which was obviously not going to happen and why what Boras said was a joke. He knew it wasn’t happening too.

  206. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Cano hitting in front of Cabrera would certainly be interesting.

  207. blake June 28th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    “And since you were traded mid season, the signing team would not forfeit their draft pick to sign you!”

    correct so you’re stock goes up even more….it’s hard to say but a team might be willing to pay him a little more just for that reason.

  208. blake June 28th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    River Ave. Blues ?@RiverAveBlues 3m
    Badler: Yankees looking to trade for international pool money http://rab.me/11NJIwd

    interesting…..are they trying to find a time machine to use it on Puig?

  209. Run it Out June 28th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    blake..

    Correct. See Grenke.

  210. Against All Odds June 28th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Nick in SF June 28th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    Odds, that isn’t exactly what happened, though it’s been repeated like that in the past.

    What Boras suggested was that the Yanks decline their team option on Cano, thus making him a free agent and then they would discuss an extension. Which was obviously not going to happen and why what Boras said was a joke. He knew it wasn’t happening too.

    ———————

    Thanks for clearly that up.

    The overall point is the could have extended him…even before Boras go in the picture. They can’t preach being on a budget and thinking differently but continue to hold onto an old policy that no longer works.

  211. Jerkface June 28th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    They can only increase their pool by 50%, so its not like they can trade for a very large chunk. the pool is small this year.

    The Yanks need to get out of the kiddie pool and start making moves.

  212. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    I can feel it.
    Today is a great day for Yankees baseball.

  213. Mike in Harrisburg June 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    FWIW reports from Arizona indicate they are looking for pitchers they would have control over as opposed to rentals.

  214. RadioKev June 28th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Is it even certain that we can get a sandwich pick for Hughes? Just curious.

  215. jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    By the way…

    Melky Cabrera

    .278 .321 .362 .684

    Ichiro

    .277 .314 .379 .693

    And Ichiro is the better outfielder.

  216. Nick in SF June 28th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    They can preach whatever they want to preach if they don’t mind the flock getting thinner.

  217. austinmac June 28th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I did see the Cuban SS is now available to be signed and that the Yankees and seven other teams watched him work out. I have no clue about his abilities, but I hope money if he has an upside. The Yankees shortstop candidates in the future are few and far between.

  218. RadioKev June 28th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    jacksquat June 28th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
    By the way…

    Melky Cabrera

    .278 .321 .362 .684

    Ichiro

    .277 .314 .379 .693

    And Ichiro is the better outfielder.
    ———

    Who would have guessed performance enhancing drugs can actually enhance performance?

  219. blake June 28th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    “Is it even certain that we can get a sandwich pick for Hughes? Just curious.”

    if he stays in the rotation and pitches like he usually does when healthy then I’m almost certain they could yea.

  220. 86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Let’s hope the Yanks are preparing a bid for RHP Miguel Alberto Gonzalez.

    He’s the next big thing, a Cuban defector who’s 26 and has big time stuff and he doesn’t count against the International limit.

  221. luis June 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    G. Love June 28th, 2013 at 11:48 am
    luis,

    At least you go down fighting. What happens if we take on Morneau and we give up nothing in return and he hits 15 HR’s and close to .280 the rest of the way?

    It could happen in our park. He hit 19HR’s last year in a short season.

    I’d rather try then curl up in a ball and spout play guys not ready for the majors and let’s save money so Hal gets richer.

    And yes, when I say 2-3 bats I’m assuming Grandy, Cervelli and Jeter all show up and play at some point.

    And if the chance exists to get a bat like Stanton, I’ll trade all the minor league OF’ers we have for him right now. I think this assumption in this forum that every one of these prospects are going to be solid major league players is a little too optimistic.

    The guy I wouldn’t trade anything of value for is Headley. I don’t believe in San Diego players. I think they leave that little love nest and fall to pieces when they get traded from culture shock.

    ================

    While I like your suggestion of Mourneau, I think they will ask for some prospects in return. I do understand where you are coming from and I don’t mind them trying to win without compromising the future. I just don’t think we have the roster to do it though. Time will tell I guess.

    Although i agree with you that it is overly optimistic to expect all the prospects to pan out, I think there is enough talent there to get one or two regulars in the not so distant future. What I would try to do is enhance the talent pool. Strength in numbers, the more the merrier. Also, improving our position in the draft might be a good thing. ( sure fire talent with less risk )

    I don’t think Jeter will play this season, although he has proven me wrong before, so I won’t bet against him. I am not too optimistic about Granderson either, but Nunez and Cervelli could prove a Godsend.

    About Stanton… They will ask for the moon, I am not sure we have what it takes to land him

  222. RadioKev June 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    blake June 28th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    “Is it even certain that we can get a sandwich pick for Hughes? Just curious.”

    if he stays in the rotation and pitches like he usually does when healthy then I’m almost certain they could yea.
    ———-

    Wait, I think I’m confused. There are no longer Type A free agents, right? Is the sandwich pick determined simply by a player turning down a qualifying offer?

    Like if the Yankees offered Jayson Nix a QO and he turns it down… they get a pick?

  223. 86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    The Yankees do not need a LH bat for 1B and DH. Sure, Morneau is better than Overbay and Hafner but he does not address the HUGE need for a RH bat at 1B and/or 3B.

  224. 86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    If the Yanks made Jayson Nix a QO and he turned it down it would be the end of the world as we know it.

    They get the sandwich pick if ANY player rejects a QO and signs with another team.

  225. comet June 28th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Let’s see some serious proposals like Blake’s or that from Luis. You don’t get something of value without giving up something of value. Sure you can get lucky like the Yankees did a decade or more ago when they picked up Aaron Small and Chacin.

    Micheal Young would cost something. Konerko isn’t available. In fact there’s not much available right now at first base. Rebuilding will likely take us to 2017-18 when we get rid of the onerous contracts.

    IF Cano would bring back something of real value then trade him. The same with anyone but Mo. Look to the future!

  226. RadioKev June 28th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Gotcha 86w183, I was thinking about the old system.

    The market based approach does seem to make more sense.

  227. comet June 28th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Hockey which signed a new CBA recently came up with compliance buyouts for bad contracts. Baseball just changed the rules and stuck teams with their bad contracts. There ought to have been a mechanism where every team could buyout or set aside two contracts that would not count against the soft cap. There isn’t and that is reality. For a team like the Yankees the reality is that these contracts were signed under different circumstances.

  228. RadioKev June 28th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I don’t think one bat can save the Yankees offense anyway… it would take Jeter and Granderson coming back, and Cano taking over as the leader of the offense. And then an extra bat.

    This team will really have to scrap it out to make the playoffs.

  229. Hankflorida June 28th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    After the next seventeen games before the break,
    the Yankees can hope to win the series against the Twins and Royals and split with the O’s. At that point, they can hope to have Musty replace Adams and Nunez replace Gonzalas. I would like to see the return of some power hitters like Granderson and see what Boesch can do in reaching the right field porch because this team is still totally dependent on scoring with home runs. If the Yankees fold against the Twins and Royals, then it may be to late to save the season
    with the returning players or trades.

  230. Howler June 28th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    I’d like to see Cashman go…but that doesn’t help the on field problems at the moment. Despite his hot streak I don’t think Ichiro will keep it going, he’s shown that he’s been a player of streaks in recent years. Gardner if I could find a replacement for I would…his big calling card was stealing bases and he doesn’t do that so well now. He’s a piece, not a leading man. What bothers me is the Yankees aren’t patient at the plate anymore…probably because of too many spare parts and rookies holding roles. Perhaps Nate Schierholtz could be a part, would’ve rather seen the Yankees go harder for him in the offseason, but Cubs might be opening to deal him.
    As for the infield, could look into what Headley would cost, but if Nunez could come back could hold your breath and stick him at 3rd, he is a better hitter than what he was showing this year and live with Nix at SS until Jeter might be able to make it back. Nix is okay, but is loathsome with men on base, at least lately. I do think Jeter will be back, and if he does it’ll be with a vengeance.
    Last point…get rid of Kevin Long…he is no genius and causes some of these slumps with his tinkering…Use Gary Denbo, see if Mattingly gets canned at the end of the year see if he’d be interested as bench/hitting coach.

  231. 86w183 June 28th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    comet —-

    That’s a GREAT point that many of the Cashman/Hal critics either don’t understand or completely ignore. I’m surprised the new CBA didn’t allow for one “amnesty” opportunity per team like the NBA did.

    Would help the Yanks immeasurably

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