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Postgame notes: “Go out there and not give them a chance”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

David Phelps

The Adams Jones single that drove in the first Orioles run? That was a curveball. The Chris Davis home run that delivered the first big blow of the night? Also a curveball. The Ryan Flaherty home run that chased David Phelps from the game? Another curveball.

“I was thinking back and three of the curveballs accounted for seven of the runs,” Phelps said. “The home run to Davis and the one to Flaherty, they were just sitting on a tee right there for them. It’s frustrating. I felt like I was making some good pitches with my fastball, just everything else was up in the zone and they made me pay for it.”

If you’d like to get more into specifics, this was Phelps’ assessment of the pitch that Davis crushed.

“Where that pitch was, I hope he’d hit it like he did,” Phelps said. “That’s about as bad of a breaking ball as I’m going to throw, and that’s what he’s supposed to do with that kind of pitch.”

It was bad. The Orioles scored nine runs in the first three innings. The Yankees haven’t scored nine runs in a game since May 24. The Orioles finished with 11 runs. The Yankees haven’t scored more than 11 runs in their past four games combined.

In a vacuum, this gave was clearly on Phelps’ shoulders. His curveball was — obviously — pretty bad tonight, and that cost him. It seemed possible he was going to get on a little bit of a role after he stranded two runners in the first, pitched a 1-2-3 second and got a quick out in the third, but his night fell completely apart after that. And when you consider the fact this game wasn’t played in a vacuum, that it was played by a team that is struggling to score runs, it seemed like a lost cause pretty quickly.

“I don’t care what our offense is doing,” Phelps said. “You give up nine runs, it’s a big hole to dig yourself out of. The last four or five games that I’ve pitched, they’ve scored runs for me. It’s frustrating to go out there and not give them a chance to do it.”

Ichiro Suzuki• Ivan Nova left the building pretty quickly, but he pitched well tonight. He was certainly the bright spot, with his only blemish coming on the towering Davis home run in the sixth. Now, Joe Girardi said, he’s not sure what’s next for Nova. It’s possible he’ll start on Thursday, but that’s very much up in the air. Girardi would still like to use Nova to give all of the starters an extra day off at some point. “We’ll see how we come out these next few days,” Girardi said. “That’s kind of what I’m planning; how we come out the next few days.”

• Why Nova over Adam Warren? “If you use Warren, you’re not going to be able to start Nova anyway in the next few days,” Girardi said. “I figured I would get him back out there. It was his sixth day, so I thought that would help us. Now we have Warren, we still have our long man. I’m not sure when I’ll slot Nova in there.”

• Girardi on Phelps: “He made some mistakes with his breaking pitches. You look at the first inning; if the ball is maybe a foot to my left, the one hit to Adams, maybe he gets out of the inning. Then he hung a curveball to the next batter on a big home run. He struggled with his curveball tonight. His curveball was very good in the bullpen, but it didn’t translate.”

• Robinson Cano on whether the five-run third inning felt like a daunting task to come back from: “You’ve got to give them credit,” Cano said. “They took advantage of pitches over the plate. We got beat tonight. It’s not like we were walking guys or making errors. In a game like that, there’s nothing you can do. Just keep fighting and forget about this game. Be ready for tomorrow.”

Robinson Cano• The Yankees have gone 12-20 since May 26. If they lose tomorrow, they’ll have their third five-game losing streak in that five-week span. “I still think these guys can get it done,” Girardi said. “I know that we have some young guys playing out there and we have some guys that have struggled the last couple years that playing out there, but I still think they can get it done. … Because I’m optimistic. That’s my nature. It is what I’ve seen. I’ve seen the work. I thought we had good at-bats tonight and swung the bats as good as we have in a while. Maybe that’s the start of something.”

• To be fair, the Yankees actually did hit some balls hard tonight. They had five doubles, including two by Brett Gardner. Every spot in the order had a hit. But still, three runs just isn’t much, especially compared to what the Orioles were able to do. Of those five doubles, only one drove in a run, and only two contributed to a run in any way.

• Phelps lost against an AL East opponent for the first time since August 27, 2012. He was undefeated in his past nine starts against the division.

• Cano continues to rake in this park. He had two more hits tonight and is hitting .364 in his career at Camden Yards.

• The Yankees were once 12 games over .500 with a one-game lead in the division. They’re now four games over .500 and in third base, trailing by five and a half games. “You don’t want to go all the way down,” Cano said. “You want to start winning games. Maybe it starts tomorrow. We win tomorrow and then we go from there. A lot of things can happen in this game.”

• Final word goes to Cano, talking about the same topic: “We’ve got a team that was closer earlier in the season. We all know one day it’s going to change and we’re going to turn around. We’ve just got to find our way now and keep fighting. Don’t let this team put our heads down or thinking about trying to figure out too much. Just go out there and keep fighting and trying to do our job with men in scoring position. Keep playing hard.”

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59 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Go out there and not give them a chance””

  1. pkyankfan69 June 29th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    Instead of making a bonehead trade it’s time for the Yanks to sit back, really analyze, and ask themselves if this team even has a chance to make noise in the postseason if they happen to get there?

    Every day that passes it seems more and more like being sellers and preparing for the future if the appropriate game plan.

  2. Captain Clutch June 29th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    Cashman should have a feel by now what Phil’s value is. If he doesn’t think that he can get a decent prospect for him he should be moved to the bullpen. It really doesn’t make any sense to keep him in the rotation if he won’t be moved. It’s time to give Nova another shot.

  3. igotid88 June 29th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Would Baltimore make a play for Can next year given how great he hits in Camden?

  4. igotid88 June 30th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    Captain Clutch June 29th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
    Cashman should have a feel by now what Phil’s value is. If he doesn’t think that he can get a decent prospect for him he should be moved to the bullpen. It really doesn’t make any sense to keep him in the rotation if he won’t be moved. It’s time to give Nova another shot.
    ———–

    Hughes is tied for 2nd on the team with 8 quality starts. Why should he be the one moved to the bullpen?

  5. Run it Out June 30th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    Captain Clutch

    Give this a read. Pay particular attention to the scouts comments.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....value.html

  6. Hankflorida June 30th, 2013 at 1:18 am

    Shame Spencer June 29th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
    Alright here is how the schedule shakes out before the ASB:

    4 set against Minny
    3 more against the O’s
    4 set against KC
    3 more against Minny

    Any predictions on how we’ll fair?

    I’d really like to believe we can win some games against Minny.. but I’d also like to believe that one day Oprah will adopt me so…..

    This is exactly what I have been saying as the clock is ticking down to the All Star break where the season will be over before we right the ship. The Yankees have to beat the Twins and the Royals to stay in the race but not with this offense. If anything has to be done, it has to be now because waiting for the trading deadline will be too late. Do nothing now and we play for next year blaming the demise on injuries. During the “Horace Clarke Era,” the Yankees did not replace the aging players with young blood and fell out of contention for many years. Judging their players down on the farm today, they just do not cut it, and if this is the case, the Yankees need to build through free agency in the off season which doesn’t mean that they cannot save this season right now before their plane reaches Minnesota with some trades for offense.

  7. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:51 am

    Have not posted here in some time, but a friend had a bet before the season began that the Yankees would win 85 games and early in the year it looked like a good bet. I thought that as bad as the Yankees looked on paper they were not that far off the rest of the teams in MLB, but looking at the competition now, the Yankees actually do appear to be a bottom tier team, particularly when they lose to teams they are expected to beat such as the Mets and the believe they lost 2 out of 3 to the Astros.
    Their offense is offensive; every opposing pitcher looks like the second coming of Don Drysdale and the Yankee pitching is going downhill. The latter may simply be the result of starting pitching entering a game with a shutout mentality, knowing they will not get much run support. Hughes seems to be an exception; he pitches to the score in reverse; if has run support he gives back the lead, if the game is close he throws a quality start.
    Cashman, who early in the year was hailed as a genius for his late season pickups, but all he did was sign players no one wanted and the reasons are now apparent.
    I do not know if the CBA allows it, but if it does, MLB should start following the NFL lead by offering non-guaranteed contracts; starting with Cano.

  8. tucker June 30th, 2013 at 1:59 am

    The Yankees really should strongly consider becoming sellers. This team just doesn’t have it this year. They were old and had a thin roster to begin the year, and the injuries made things impossible. Overbay and Wells looke great in April, but they have looked like Overbay and Wells since.

    A gambler needs to know when to stop chasing good money with bad. This team is at that juncture. Don’t trade away top prospects for middling veterans in a desperate stab at saving this season.

    The team is now two games out of the basement and the Blue Jays are healthy and charging fast. Time to face reality. This team just isn’t very good.

  9. sammiejohnson June 30th, 2013 at 2:08 am

    JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:51 am

    I do not know if the CBA allows it, but if it does, MLB should start following the NFL lead by offering non-guaranteed contracts; starting with Cano.

    ___________________________________________________

    Well, I am not going to look it up right now, but I am fairly certain that all MLB contracts are guaranteed. They have been for many years. Not quite sure why the league would suddenly make an exception for Cano. But you can always dream.

  10. Nick in SF June 30th, 2013 at 3:04 am

    “The team is now two games out of the basement and the Blue Jays are healthy and charging fast. Time to face reality.”

    Yes, but we’re also just two games back from first in the loss column*, so please don’t sell us short.

    *pending the results of the last few games. How’ve we been doing? I’ve kind of lost focus.

  11. Rich in NJ June 30th, 2013 at 6:00 am

    It would be ridiculously cool if A-Rod and Jeter can turn the season around, although granted, the odds are likely thin.

    That said, nothing would justify trading any important prospects for even more old players.

    The O’s are only getting better. It is going to be a challenge to compete with them in the next few years.

    The stopgap mindset won’t be enough to get it done.

  12. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2013 at 6:33 am

    We’re 5.5 games back and 3 games out of the WC spot… I hope we can make up at least a game or two before the break.

  13. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 6:37 am

    They can’t fix this. They aren’t one player away.

    They can’t even really trade anyone until they know what they have when the injured parties come back, who knows when, because they won’t know what they need specifically. Nothing happens for at least another month.

    Every injured player coming back will be playing catch up, getting up to speed with the rest of baseball.

    Also until teams start to assess themselves as non-players for this season, no impact player will be available, and I’m afraid that even on the off chance hat someone is available, the cost to the Yankees will be prohibitive

    This isn’t even 2008, where the rob Peter to pay Paul trade will have even the slim hope of making a difference. And it’s not just one team they’re chasing.

    Sorry if my thoughts are disjointed. I am having a hard time believing that apparently on the Yankees the adage that even a broken clock is correct twice a day doesn’t seem to be true…

  14. cigator June 30th, 2013 at 6:54 am

    There are only 3 position players to keep on the field, Ichiro, Gardner and Cano. Everyone else can be released/traded. Bring up all prospects and let’s see what they can do. If you are not spending money on real talent all you have are your current prospects. Let them play. Watching Overbay, Wells, Nix is just painful.

  15. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 7:07 am

    They don’t have current prospects capable of playing at the ML level right now.

    For this season to work for the Yankees almost everything had to go right. The year started out with some bad breaks ( no pun intended), but at first they were able to withstand those and even rise above the expectations. But at this point in time, nothing is going right and the prospects for enough things turning around to salvage the season are slim, especially considering that the things outside their control (other teams’ fortunes) seem to also be going against them (I.e. the Blue Jays Resurgence).

  16. Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2013 at 7:08 am

    Bring up all what prospects?

    That’s arguably the biggest reason why they’re in this mess. They haven’t done a good job drafting and developing their own position players and have had to rely on retreads and older players on the downsides of their careers.

    If they had any major league ready prospects, they’d already be there.

  17. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 7:09 am

    And if you think the team is unrecognizable this year (you literally need a scorecard to identify some players), next year will be even worse.

  18. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2013 at 7:20 am

    If Murphy keeps hitting in AAA there’s going to be a lot of noise about bringing him up. I really don’t see the Yankees losing a year of arbitration on him, but I’m also really excited about the kid and would love to see him so I understand the push. It looks like Nunez will be back soon, for whatever that’s worth. Gotta believe it will at least push Nix/Adams over to 3B permanently. It’s a shame we don’t have any better options at 3B… I wish they’d find someone better to slot there. That way, when/if Arod comes back you can throw him at 1B.

  19. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2013 at 7:21 am

    Silver lining, though: Almonte. Kid has really swung the bat well. Let’s hope he keeps it up. Adams was really swinging free and easy at first too..

  20. cigator June 30th, 2013 at 7:24 am

    I disagree that the Yanks have no prospects. The problem with this franchise is they never give prospects a chance. The draft players to trade or as cannon fodder for the minors. It gets old seeing the Yanks prospects get there chance at 25 or older. Other teams seem to find prospects and bring them up much younger. If they don’t have prospects that can hit over .200, like Overbay, Haffner, Wells, they might as well just quit now.

  21. blake June 30th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    “Again, Mauer is the player to target if there’s a strong desire to win the World Series this year.”

    He would be huge…..he’s the type hitter they need. However I’m no even sure they’d trade him and even I they would I doubt Hal would take on his contract

    I think fixing this team is relative to the goal you’re trying to reach…..can they cobble together a team that can still make the playoffs? Maybe……can they actually fix it to a point where they can win a title? Well any team that makes the playoffs has a chance…..but they’d have to really be fortunate….they aren’t anywhere close to as good as Detroit right now

  22. Tar June 30th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    Welcome to the dark side Doreen, what took you so long? :wink:

    My expectations are so low that I don’t get upset at losses or lineups or offensive failures etc anymore.

    When Alex, Jeet and Grandy come back, I hope to see a 180. There will still be time, but even then I will watch with fingers crossed.

  23. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    I would love Mauer. Our reality is he would significantly impact the 2014 salary and that’s not happening. Hal will tell us the season’s downfall is due to injuries. We will have our 39 year old SS and 3B next year, and all will be well. Of course, Cano, Granderson, Kuroda, Pettitte, Hughes, Logan, Joba and all the old guard will likely be gone.

    I have been saying since October, this is what happened in 1965. They got old and went economical on rebuilding. It’s not rocket science. A team can’t be the oldest team in baseball and expect this year or the future to look good.

  24. Yankee Trader June 30th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    Good morning.
    Randy Ruiz
    Corey Patterson
    Fernando Martinez
    Dan Johnson
    Brent Lillbridge
    The AAA SWB Railriders are playing 5 people each night that couldn’t get a job in the bigs.

    They have Boesch and Mustelier on the DL, Musty who can’t stay healthy.

    The only AAA exciting prospect at the moment is JR Murphy.

    There isn’t much that can help their offense.

  25. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    sammiejohnson
    On the issue of guaranteed contracts I referenced all of MLB and used Cano as a Yankee example. And while all of MLB’s contracts are guaranteed the clubs do have options to void the contracts.
    My only point is that since the “end” of the PED era, it seems every high paid player is on the 15 or 60 DL, which is my only point about guaranteed contracts.
    Getting back to Cano, If I were the Yankees I would not offer him a 5 year contract at the maximum; I would even give him an option year after 2 or 3 years and take my chances.
    Jeter is a good example; his contract expires this year, but he has the option to sign on for an additional season, albeit at a reduction in pay, which I believe will be in the 9.5 million dollar range. Jeter can exercise his option and remain with the club or he can again pursue free agency (at this point the latter seems unlikely).

  26. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Tar,

    I always maintained you had to wait and see how things played out.

    The injuries were (are) too much to overcome. Part-time role players are far overextended and it is to their credit that they did as well as they did for as long as they did. But reinforcements did not show up (well, they did, but didn’t hang around very long. :( ).

    The pitching could well go back to being effective, but they have no margin for error and the team as it is today simply is not able to pick up a bad pitching day, or even a mediocre one. It has nothing to do with their work ethic. I believe every player on this team is giving their best effort. It’s just not enough

    And, breaks are not going their way, either.

    It’s pointless to lay blame.

    I was theoretically in support of them trying to reset LT. I understood everything had to break well. However I cringed when Hal made his statement one month into the season that his plan could work.

    Look, baseball is a weird game with a looooong season and certainly stranger things have happened. And maybe I lack imagination, but I don’t see how they get from behind the eight ball unless things stop breaking bad and the returning players hit the ground running.

  27. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    The Yankees have few prospects. Look at the minor league stats and the players ages. For the most part only the older “prospects” are performing. Murphy and Sanchez are the only offensive exceptions, and Sanchez is hitting .270 in his second year in the FSL.

    Terrible draft decisions and/or development. The three years of Cole, Culver and Bichette with the first picks is a killer. We will get not one inning of MLB play from these top picks.

  28. cigator June 30th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    Unfortunately I don’t think the Jeter, Grandy, Arod scenario changes much. Time has finally caught up with Jeter, he is no longer indestructible, most never want to see Arod again, and if we do, he will wind up having tomatoes thrown at him for both his transgressions and poor play. Granderson will bat .240 with some hr’s. I never thought I would see the day that the Yanks were relative cheapskates. When you build a franchise on spending big, and then stop abruptly this is what you get.

  29. Tar June 30th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Doreen

    I agree with everything you said…… Except maybe ” it’s pointless to lay blame”.

    :D j/k

  30. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Tar, it’s pointless, except I understand it can be cathartic for some. :)

  31. Yankee Trader June 30th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    And maybe I lack imagination, but I don’t see how they get from behind the eight ball unless things stop breaking bad and the returning players hit the ground running.
    ——————-

    Doreen-

    That’s not a lack of imagination, that is a dose of reality. Most of us share your exact concerns.

  32. blake June 30th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    The giants have lost 6 straight….. They are lucky they are in the NL worst were being .500 pretty much has you 2 back of first place. Being defending champs you know they are gonna make a move and they may over pay for it like they did 2 years ago

  33. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    If only the Yankees had only been able to play .500 ball after reaching 12 over they’d be in decent shape.

    If only they’d won those two games against the Mets.

    If only they’d won that 18 inning game to which they sacrificed both Tex and Youk (in my opinion).

    If only things were different, things would be so different.

    Girardi looks awful.

  34. Yankee Trader June 30th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Blake-

    The Dodgers are looking for pitching, and are 5 games out, the Giants 4, the Padres 2.5.

    What pitchers are you willing to give up, and which ones would bring a decent return of major league ready, young players?

  35. blake June 30th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    “What pitchers are you willing to give up, and which ones would bring a decent return of major league ready, young players?”

    Id trade Hughes, Phelps, or Nova….really any of them but I highly doubt you’d get back impact youn major leaguers for them.

  36. Tar June 30th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    YT

    For me everyone is available. I just think Cash is going to wait to be a seller until the troops come back.

    Heck he’s probably still looking to be a buyer at this point.

  37. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    I think of those three the one who has the “we can fix him” factor is Hughes, and he might bring a decent return, even though he is a FA, if all the little things fell into place. I no longer care whether the Yankees keep anyone on their current roster. Though I would miss some more than others.

  38. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Hughes also as the “will benefit from a change of scenery” factor.

  39. Tar June 30th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Everybody should be available to trade. But at this point I doubt Cash is a seller. More likely he’s still a buyer.

  40. Tar June 30th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Sorry for the double post phone issues

  41. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    He’s stuck in neutral until he gets some players back, or unless they fall further behind.

  42. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    When Doreen, one of our stable members, doesn’t care if we keep anyone on the roster, that should tell the Yankees management we have a problem.

    I do think we need to get the best young players we can for our departing players and excess pitching, if there really is ever such a thing as excess pitching. The old ways, without spending, doesn’t work.

  43. 86w183 June 30th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Good morning all —-

    Right now I don’t the Yanks are buyers or sellers. They’re treading water, hoping the rescue boat (injured players) arrives before the sharks (AL East rivals) devour them.

    It’s an okay strategy for at most two more weeks at which point they need to make a decision or two. Once decision I would make today is to send Warren to Scranton to start and call up Ruiz to play 1B against LHP.

    they could shift Teixeira to the 60-day DL to make room on the 40-man.

  44. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    Maybe this was the design: disenfranchise the fans from feeling they should try to salvage any players, which gives them a fairly free rein to do whatever without the backlash that comes from trading away favorites. ;)

  45. 86w183 June 30th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    By the way, Betances was good again last night, Fernando Martinez is raking in Scranton, 4-for-6 last night with 2 HR, 6 RBI. He’s only 24 and could be one helluva steal.

    JR Murphy also had four hits and is now hitting .346 with a .991 OPS after 14 games in AAA.

  46. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    86w183,

    Is Betances closing?

  47. G. Love June 30th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Do any of you really think Cashman is the right GM to evaluate talent if the Yankees become sellers? He’s never done that before in his career. Opposing GMs will carve him up.

  48. Yankee Trader June 30th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Teams need pitching, and usually will give up more now, even if it’s a rental, to get an extra month out of them.

  49. 86w183 June 30th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Doreen —

    He pitched the 6th and 7th yesterday. Two innings, 1 H, 1 W, 3 K 0 runs.

    He has just one save and that was three weeks ago. In his last 7 outings, Betances has pitched 13 innings giving up one earned run, 4 hits, 4 walks and 16 K. That’s really good.

    G. Love —

    I’d be nervous if Cashman made significant moves in a vacuum, but I think this team is much more in a management by consensus mode which should ensure input from scouts and such.

  50. Yankee Trader June 30th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Betances pitched the 6th and 7th inning yesterday, 1 hit, 1 BB, 3 strikeouts in an 18 hit, 12-4,rout of Pawtucket.

  51. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Cashman has another year on his contract and I don’t see the Steinbrenners paying him to not work for them, even for one year.

    And even if they did, the interim GM will do nothing differently because the mission is to cut payroll and not engage in any long term contracts for the time being.

  52. Doreen June 30th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Does anyone think the Ankees should entertain the idea if Betances as a closer? At least, if he can keep up the pace he’s been setting lately?

  53. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Murphy has far more offensive upside than Romine. He has some pop.

    I know F. Martinez was a good prospect at one point. What happened and can we have hope? He is killing the ball at SWB.

  54. Yankee Trader June 30th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    From Andy McCullough, The Star Ledger-Does Phil Hughes have trade value for Yankees?

    With July still a few days away, the Yankees have not shown any inclination to part with Hughes (3-7, 4.82 ERA). They consider their rotation paramount to success, and manager Joe Girardi insisted this week that Hughes’ place in the rotation was unquestioned. One major-league executive whose team is searching for starting pitching said he has not heard Hughes’ name mentioned often.

    But this current club possesses an obvious flaw. Their injury-riddled offense is one of the worst in the American League. They entered Friday’s game ranked 12th in the league in runs – all while playing in a friendly ballpark for hitters. Thus with Nova, Pineda and perhaps Vidal Nuno available as depth, the team may be forced to gauge Hughes’ value.

    One executive suggested Hughes could fetch in return a “good piece, but not an impact one.” A second executive tabbed his value as “mid-range,” below starters like Miami’s Ricky Nolasco or Chicago’s Matt Garza, pitchers who may be dealt well before the deadline.

    A third talent evaluator was more bearish, referencing a Catch-22 for contending clubs attempting to trade major-league talent. “If he’s pitching well, why move him?” the scout said. “If he’s not, who’s giving up much [for him]?”

    Yet the third scout added a caveat that hints at the market’s volatility: “It only takes a good start or two to push him to the top of some club’s list.”

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....value.html

  55. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Doreen

    I think Pittsburgh or SF would be a good fits for Hughes this year and since both are contenders the may be able to make a decent trade.

  56. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    cigator June 30th, 2013 at 7:56 am
    Other teams seem to find prospects and bring them up much younger.

    This is a valid point. More and more I wonder if they even have a system in place to evaluate and move talent thru the minor leagues. This year they drafted the good hitting 3rd baseman out of Notre Dame with their 1st pick. Then they take this top pick from the draft and put him at SS league. I asked a friend who has been involved in the draft at different levels and his answer was teams just don’t start top pick college position players that low in the minors. I know the guy suffered a hamstring injury but I have to wonder why they would retard development like that?

  57. 86w183 June 30th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    It’s a valid criticism that the Yankees are too patient with young players and that it cold stunt their development due to frustration.

    I’ve said for year on this site that high level college talent should start in A ball, not rookie league and High-A ball for top three round talents. Unfortunately the Yankees don’t think like that.

    As for Fernando Martinez I think he might have been rushed to the majors and has been up and down and up and down for three years.

    He really struggles vs LHP but could be an effective part of a LF platoon.

  58. UYF1950 June 30th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    “Hughes hasn’t been consistent, neither has Nova, and last night showed that Phelps isn’t quite a sure thing (despite an otherwise strong season).” Let’s face it with the exception of Kuroda none of the Yankees starters have been consistent this not even CC or Andy.

  59. Nord June 30th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Well, Phelps has hit rock bottom…. switch him out with either Warren or Nova. And you can’t overlook the catchers. Romine is a rookie and Stewart at career backup. Losing Martin is looking worse and worse IMO. And that right-handed hitter? Soooooon Please.

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