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Bell and Garcia activated in Triple-A

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 30, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Most seasons, these sort of moves would be easy to ignore. This year, they might actually carry some significance.

Today, the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Railriders activated infielder Josh Bell and outfielder Adonis Garcia from the disabled list. Given the Yankees currently three-man bench, one of these two could play his way into consideration.

Bell is a 26-year-old switch hitter who’s primarily a third baseman with some experience at first and the outfield corners. He’s spent time in the big leagues each of the past three seasons. Garcia is a 28-year-old out of Cuba who played well before getting hurt in big league camp. He bats right handed and hit .288/.325/.492 in Double-A last season.

Probably not as significant as it would be to have Ronnier Mustelier or Brennan Boesch come off the disabled list, but the Yankees seem to have entered beggars-can’t-be-choosers territory.

To open roster spots, infielder Casey Stevenon and outfielder Cody Grice were transferred to Double-A Trenton.

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114 Responses to “Bell and Garcia activated in Triple-A”

  1. UpState June 30th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Why would the NYY be interested in CWS reliever – Jesse Crain ?

    31 yo / good numbers

    Or is this Carfardo (Boston) throwing out stupid stuff again ?

    (repost)

  2. jacksquat June 30th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Crain is having an excellent year and his previous two years were very good as well. It’s also the last year of his contract.

    The Yanks have more pressing needs but I wouldn’t be opposed to getting him if it doesn’t take much in trade.

    Too bad Konerko is having back problems. He was hitting LHP very well.

  3. fantasygame101 June 30th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    try bell in mlb. he will pass thru waiver if it does not work

  4. jacksquat June 30th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Josh Bell

    .195/.223/.269 in 282 pa over the past 3 years in the majors.

    Eeesh.

    Come on Musty, get healthy.

  5. fantasygame101 June 30th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    we can not be choosy right now. who knows what he will do with the Yankees? but I know what the players in the mlb right now are doing and they are not even just bad.

  6. Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    I think this team needs to hit rock bottom similarly to what the Red Sox did last season for this organization to recognize the widespread fundamental changes that need to be made for this team to win long term.

    Keep in mind that the Red Sox haven’t been to to the postseason since 2009 so it took a third straight season of falling on their faces (and clubhouse chaos with an assist from Bobby Valentine) before ownership decided to really clean house.

    Let’s hope it doesn’t take Hal Steinbrenner that long to do the same with the Yanks.

  7. MTU June 30th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    G.love-

    Just eat your gruel and smile.

    :)

  8. UnKnown June 30th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    “It’s a bad offense right now. It’s not slumps. It’s not umpires and it’s not opposing players getting away with PED’s.” :shock:

    Shut The Front Door!!! Next thing you’ll tell me their isn’t a Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, or Santa Claus.

  9. MTU June 30th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    GF-

    12:34 was for you.

    Courtesy of G. Love.

    :)

  10. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Since we are on the minor leagues, who was the last highly touted Yankee “prospect” that actually succeeded at the major league level?
    The last 2 Yankees I recall being successful are Wang and Cano, and I do not believe there was any Yankee hype for either player or perhaps the Yankees hype machine was not in full operational mode.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05.....raton.html

  11. Hankflorida June 30th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Austimac wrote about not going back to the sixties, “Horace Clarke Era,” where there was a failure to replace the aging players with young blood and a refusal to spend on established players. This sounds like the scenario of Hal’s dictum. Since the Yankee farm system is really void of potential, the Yankees must lift the constraints on the cap and spend on free agents and trade for established players or we will all be watching a baseball version of “Mad Men.”

  12. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Hankflorida: During the Horace Clark era the Reserve Clause was still in effect and the Yankees could not spend on established players, but maybe the true symbol for the late 60?s Yankees is Michael Burke and Hal has assumed his role and waiting for a 24 million dollar offer.

  13. pkyankfan69 June 30th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    I think this team needs to hit rock bottom similarly to what the Red Sox did last season for this organization to recognize the widespread fundamental changes that need to be made for this team to win long term.
    ——————-
    I agree but the major difference is that the Sox were able to get rid of their bad contacts… There is no way in hell we are getting rid of Arod and/or Tex

  14. Hankflorida June 30th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Right on JimK, great analogy of Hal and Burke! Does this mean all the Yankee fans will be watching the baseball version of “Mad Men” or back to the sixties.

  15. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Garcia is a 28-year-old out of Cuba.

    Another Cuban in his late 20′s in the Yankee farm system. Are the Yankees the only team in the major leagues that scout and sign Cubans that are not ready to play in the majors?

  16. Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    pkyankfan69 June 30th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    I think this team needs to hit rock bottom similarly to what the Red Sox did last season for this organization to recognize the widespread fundamental changes that need to be made for this team to win long term.
    ——————-
    I agree but the major difference is that the Sox were able to get rid of their bad contacts… There is no way in hell we are getting rid of Arod and/or Tex

    ———-

    Can’t expect miracles to happen overnight but they can start moving in the right direction and start building for the future if they begin selling at the trade deadline.

    The A-Rod and Teixeira contracts certainly suck at this point but they can still make a number of changes to start moving in the right direction.

    Problem is that they aren’t bloody likely to start selling at the deadline and will probably bank on Granderson, Jeter, and A-Rod to provide the boost they need to make a playoff push.

    I’d prefer not to make a run at the postseason and start building for the future now. I’m sure the FO doesn’t see it that way.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock June 30th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    I wouldn’t say the system is “void of potential,” the problem is the higher-end looking position kids are years away.

    What was close or already here was foolishly traded away.

    A lot could happen in “years,” and that’s part of the problem, since Cashman dealt away anyone who could have been in place on the MLB roster in the present.

    The ones I have seen who seem to have higher-end tools are Sanchez (power), Anderson Feliz (LD power, natural switch hitter, with hit tool/batspeed, arm, foot speed), Murphy (hit tool/developing power). Gumbs looked like a ‘super athlete’ type but I saw the kid exactly once. Mason Williams I have barely seen either, it’s just that the game I saw, he just about did it all, so I am optimistic.

    When I saw Ravel Santana, he was coming off the ankle and it was the first game of the season, but now he has a forearm fracture.

    Every time I see Heathcott, he shows real power: hits it out, hits it deep, slashes the ball for a triple, etc. His numbers aren’t good overall, but he has tools, running and gunning being two others.

    Austin has shown power and patience and seems to be finding a coping mechanism, at times, to a vulnerability to the CB.

    Flores has stopped hitting, but he may be tiring.

    Arms like Jo-Ram and DePaula though probably just need to stay healthy and keep building up their arms/innings.

  18. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Josh Bell

    .195/.223/.269 in 282 pa over the past 3 years in the majors

    Yes. He’s a switch hitter who can’t hit from either side. I recall him with Baltimore. Think they got him from the Dodgers. Fits right in. Scrap heap special. I don’t think the AAA squad could beat the College WS winner in a best of five.

  19. Terrekain June 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Why option stevenson?

    The guy had 3 HR in just 12 ABs after being called up to Scranton.

    At least let him play his way out of AAA with a sub 1.500 OPS

  20. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Hans,

    Yes. The Cubans who can play in the majors are far too pricy.

  21. pkyankfan69 June 30th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    GF,

    Agree with everything you said.

    I wish we would sell, this team isn’t winning anything even if they sneak into the PS… We could sell Cano, Kuroda, Hughes, Grandy, Logan, Joba and fetch a pretty penny for the future… Unfortunately, I agree again, highly doubt we head down that path.

  22. Terrekain June 30th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Hans Davenport,

    Maybe it’s just me, but after looking at his photograph, I seriously doubt he is as “young” as 28 years old.

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock June 30th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Boy, I sure don’t want Cashman making the call on what Cano is worth.

  24. RS June 30th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    The Sox also had major under-performance (or injuries) from all-star players like Lester, Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Buchholz. Those guys are back on track now, which has been a huge component of their success.

    With the Yankees, it’s not like you can expect ARod and Jeter to come back strong next year even if this year is punted, because of their age. Even Cano, Tex, and CC are all on the wrong side of 30 so there may be a limit to how strong they can bounce back from a down year.

    Lastly, the Sox didn’t really lose anyone from last year who was actually a positive influence to the team. Thus, they had no where to go but up. When the Yankees lose Rivera, and possibly Kuroda/Pettitte/Granderson/Cano, it will be like one step back, one step forward even if the injured players do come back strong (which again, is no guarentee)

  25. pkyankfan69 June 30th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Boy, I sure don’t want Cashman making the call on what Cano is worth.
    ———————————-
    Don’t worry JAP… It’s not going to happen no matter how bad we tank in July.

    Yanks will add some minimal righty bats before the TD, and at the end of the season, collect their draft picks for Hughes + Grandy, and sign Cano to a ridiculous contract.

    I hope they prove me wrong but I doubt it.

  26. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Hankflorida, I submitted a comment relative to your remark about the 60′s and apparently I upset someone by adding links to the Yankees and Mets attendance during this period; I must have upset someone because I received a response that said my comment was awaiting moderation. Not that I post here much, but I have never seen that message in the past.

  27. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    PS: I said the Mets were probably hoping for a return to the Yankee fans of the 60′s when the Yankees were consistently outdrawn by the Mets.

  28. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Terrekain June 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    Why option stevenson?

    The guy had 3 HR in just 12 ABs after being called up to Scranton.

    At least let him play his way out of AAA with a sub 1.500 OPS

    You’re not kidding are you? So what was he hitting at AA before they called him up?

  29. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Jim,

    I have never seen that before either. Don’t be posting negative facts. Reality is unpleasant, don’t you know?

  30. Mike in Harrisburg June 30th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    I think many on here share that sentiment.

  31. tomingeorgia June 30th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    JimK,
    The blog only allows one link per post. That may have been the problem.

  32. CompassRosy June 30th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    BIG AL says:
    June 30, 2013 at 10:53 am
    Note to all MLB teams:

    Do you have 38 and over players that are under performing, taking up space, near the end of their career, that you want to dump on some loser of a GM and team – Please call Brian Cashman @ 1-800-IDO-SUCK.

    ~ ~ ~

    Ironically, the M’s one regular 38+ year old (who wasn’t supposed to be a regular) is one of the few actually performing.

  33. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Terrekain June 30th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    Hans Davenport,

    Maybe it’s just me, but after looking at his photograph, I seriously doubt he is as “young” as 28 years old.

    After minimal scrutiny, I would say you are correct.

  34. luis June 30th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    I won’t add already to what I said yesterday… But there is plenty of good posts on those topics in the past few threads… Just gonna say “kudos”… I am already president of the ” Doom and gloon club” :D

    Primo,

    Good post on the minors… Flores is going to be an option maybe not for this season, but for next…

  35. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    austinmac, you are right I should never have included links from the baseball almanac. I am guessing it is owned by Joe Buck and Tim Mccarver and therefore full of anti-Yankee propaganda.

  36. CompassRosy June 30th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Saw a post earlier from “emac2″ . . .

    Is that the same emac from the old NYT Yankee Forum? Seattle area Yankee fan?

  37. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Tomingeorgia, Thanks I did not know that:

    Mets attendance:

    http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....attn.shtml

  38. mick June 30th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    I have never seen that before either. Don’t be posting negative facts. Reality is unpleasant, don’t you know?
    ========
    instigator.

  39. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    Hankflorida, I submitted a comment relative to your remark about the 60?s and apparently I upset someone by adding links to the Yankees and Mets attendance during this period; I must have upset someone because I received a response that said my comment was awaiting moderation. Not that I post here much, but I have never seen that message in the past

    Honestly Jim, if you expect to confuse and clutter any discussion with factual, informative statistics you will make life really unpleasant for everyone including yourself.

    On the other hand, should you choose to base your discussion on a premise overwrought with emotion, innuendo, hearsay, and baseless opinion, then have it.

  40. mick June 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    I am already president of the ” Doom and gloon club” :D
    =================================
    no credit to the one who appointed you?

  41. Niblick June 30th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Looks like Pineda has caught the CC/Andy/Phelps/Hughes disease.

  42. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....atte.shtml

    Original post:
    Hankflorida, I am betting the Mets are hoping for the Yankee fans to go “back to the 60?s.” If I recall correctly the Mets with their promising young pitching were outdrawing the Yankees by fairly substantial margins

  43. luis June 30th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    mick June 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    I am already president of the ” Doom and gloon club”
    =================================
    no credit to the one who appointed you?

    ======================

    My bad… ;)

  44. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    I remember very well when the Mets were the most popular team in New York. That could easily happen again. The Mets have very good young pitchers to watch. Who exactly do we have that can match that?

  45. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Thanks Hans, I will keep that in mind and I will limit my future posts to hysterical rants.

  46. luis June 30th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    I remember very well when the Mets were the most popular team in New York. That could easily happen again. The Mets have very good young pitchers to watch. Who exactly do we have that can match that?

    ===========================

    Lyle Overbay? ;)

  47. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Luis,

    Sorry, forgot Lyle. And Gonzalez. My bad.

  48. luis June 30th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    Luis,

    Sorry, forgot Lyle. And Gonzalez. My bad.

    =====================

    LMAO!! Gonzales did pitch once…. Maybe we can slot him in place of CC

  49. Hankflorida June 30th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Austinmac and Jim, your points about the fall of the Yankee empire in the sixties has a great deal of relevance as to what is happening now with the constraints of the cap. If the Yankees had built a farm system, the replacement of the aging players could easily be accomplished within Hal’s fiscal plan, but since this is not a reality, the Yankees have to spend in order to be competitive; the spending has to start now in order to save the season and before the plane lands in Minnesota, and if not, they have to plan for next year with free agents and selective trades to fill the holes.

  50. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    Thanks Hans, I will keep that in mind and I will limit my future posts to hysterical rants.

    From the very limited scope I have had a factually baseless accusation that a player is on PEDS is quite popular. :)

  51. Frankg June 30th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    They don’t need Boesch and Bell is hitting .223 at AAA this year, .197 at S/W.

  52. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Hankflorida June 30th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    Austinmac and Jim, your points about the fall of the Yankee empire in the sixties has a great deal of relevance as to what is happening now with the constraints of the cap. If the Yankees had built a farm system, the replacement of the aging players could easily be accomplished within Hal’s fiscal plan, but since this is not a reality, the Yankees have to spend in order to be competitive; the spending has to start now in order to save the season and before the plane lands in Minnesota, and if not, they have to plan for next year with free agents and selective trades to fill the holes.

    Mike Burke and his cronies demolished the farm system so carefully built by George Weiss.
    Other then a serious attempt by Stick Michael, the Steinbrenner family and their cohorts have done nothing to correct those errors to this day.

  53. Niblick June 30th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Pineda so far: 2 IP, 2 H, 4 BB, 1 HBP, 3 ER

  54. luis June 30th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Hankflorida June 30th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    Austinmac and Jim, your points about the fall of the Yankee empire in the sixties has a great deal of relevance as to what is happening now with the constraints of the cap. If the Yankees had built a farm system, the replacement of the aging players could easily be accomplished within Hal’s fiscal plan, but since this is not a reality, the Yankees have to spend in order to be competitive; the spending has to start now in order to save the season and before the plane lands in Minnesota, and if not, they have to plan for next year with free agents and selective trades to fill the holes.

    ================================

    Hank,

    Going the FA route is not going to solve the problem… It never has if you don’t have a homegrown core ( see 80′s and 00′s )… They need to rebuild and at the same time keep the fiscal house in order… We can’t spend ourselves out of this mess… There won’t be any FA worth signing since most good ones have already been extended… And trades will cost the few prospects we have, unless is for other prospects in areas of need.

    If they fail to see this and continue denying the imperative need of a rebuilding process, we will continue to slowly fade in to oblivion and probbly a financial crisis that would force the owners to sell…

  55. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
    JimK June 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    Thanks Hans, I will keep that in mind and I will limit my future posts to hysterical rants.

    From the very limited scope I have had a factually baseless accusation that a player is on PEDS is quite popular. :)

    Hmnn…remember how close Cano and Melky were…..

  56. jacksquat June 30th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Niblick June 30th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
    Pineda so far: 2 IP, 2 H, 4 BB, 1 HBP, 3 ER

    But what’s his velocity? :razz:

  57. Niblick June 30th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    45 P, 19 strikes – that’s his velocity

  58. exiledintampa June 30th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Tigers think Rodney threw at Miggy last night. Porcello just hit Zobrist. We got a battle brewing in Tampa.

  59. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Hmnn…remember how close Cano and Melky were…..

    Very good! Keep that up!

  60. jacksquat June 30th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Has anyone really figured out what the heck is going on with Arod? He said he has been cleared to play in games by the doc, then is told to shut up, then says he is not ready, then says he feels great and is on schedule, but won’t say what the schedule is…

  61. luis June 30th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    “fall of the Yankee empire”

    =================================

    In this case, Cashman is “Comodus”

  62. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    jacksquat June 30th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Has anyone really figured out what the heck is going on with Arod? He said he has been cleared to play in games by the doc, then is told to shut up, then says he is not ready, then says he feels great and is on schedule, but won’t say what the schedule is

    It has sounded to me like he was censored by the embattled General Manager and just isn’t going to commit on anything. I’ve seen managers like Valentine trash players but Cashman has really raised the bar. I’d say Alex is ready when Brian Cashman says he is.

  63. hardwired7 June 30th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    “.195/.223/.269 in 282 pa over the past 3 years in the majors.”

    I think we found our new cleanup hitter.

  64. luis June 30th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    In this case, Cashman is “Comodus”

    =================

    Although “Nero” fits him better…I imagine him singing a horrible song of his own making about “Pitching wins” while Rome (The Yankees) burn.

  65. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Don’t you mean “Commode”

  66. Niblick June 30th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Commodus was assassinated. Just saying.

  67. bruceb June 30th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Zack Wheeler looks to be a “work in progress” compared to Matt Harvey right now.

  68. Hankflorida June 30th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Luis, I do not disagree with you about building from within, but once the team has failed over the years to concoct such a system, the rebuilding is a slow process; will the Yankee fans wait for the process to develop or overlook this team as we did in the sixties? If we need a Mauer or a Young to bring offense to compliment our pitching, why wait as the YES money is there to be spent.

  69. luis June 30th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Getting fired would be equivalent

  70. tucker June 30th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    This is probably the first year that Hal has noticed his starve-the-chicken approach has created problems. And by problems, I mean problems with the “top line,” or revenue. He likely pays closer attention to the revenue than he does the results on the field. Revenue is down this year, and that should compel Hal to look beyond his spreadsheets.

    What will he do to change?

    He can start by making a serious bid for the Cuban shortstop who will soon be a free agent and NOT subject to the spending limits on international amateurs.

    The Red Sox turned it around in one year by signing mid-length deals on guys like Victorino, Stephen Drew, Napoli, etc. These were not long-term deals. They were relatively short-term deals … You can argue the merit of these deals on an individual basis, but the approach was a smart one. The Sox have reinvigorated their team with these deals, getting injured players healthy and introducing young players like Iglesias.

    The Sox were dead one year ago. They took bold action and are very much back into the picture. They still don’t have the talent of the O’s, but at least they are competitive.

    Cash seems to like to emulate the Sox. Maybe he’ll take the same approach.

    The Yanks need to do something. I think Hal will demand it because his prized revenue streams have taken a hit. That is why the Yanks will not revert back to 1965. There is too much money at stake. And Hal likes money above all else.

  71. JimK June 30th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Niblick June 30th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    Commodus was assassinated. Just saying

    And he did take over for his father

  72. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    bruceb June 30th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    Zack Wheeler looks to be a “work in progress” compared to Matt Harvey right now.

    Yes I’m watching that game right now. He didn’t even make it through the lineup once.

  73. luis June 30th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Hankflorida June 30th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
    Luis, I do not disagree with you about building from within, but once the team has failed over the years to concoct such a system, the rebuilding is a slow process; will the Yankee fans wait for the process to develop or overlook this team as we did in the sixties? If we need a Mauer or a Young to bring offense to compliment our pitching, why wait as the YES money is there to be spent.

    ========================

    For two reasons: 1) It has never worked except in 1977-78 ( exception to the rule ) and 2) the economy is not as good as people think ( I am sure they are aware of this ), so increasing the payroll may turn out to be their downfall.

    I don’t think we would be heading back to the 60′s… It took them 5 years in the early 90′s to accomplish that… I don’t se a reason why this can’t be accomplished… They just need to find someone to lead this process, because Cashman certainly isn’t the man for the job.

  74. luis June 30th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Tucker,

    The Sox had a core of players in place…. We don’t

  75. Hassey June 30th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    As Charlie the dog said in that old looney tunes classic:

    “The Tower – she’s a falling”

    Atsa Matta atsa Matta Hey atsa Matta f’you?

  76. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    The obvious way for long term success is through the organization developing players. We have failed in that. I agree with Hank some additions are necessary next year and beyond for the team not to be perennial second division dwellers.

    The Yankees have money. They have always had that s vantage if they chose to use it. That’s how they got Ruth, Maris, Mize and many more. In the past few years, they have been the least likely of any team to use their money to build the franchise.

    Long term contracts are risks. International players are risks. No doubt about it. But, don’t we all remember how others would say the Yankees’ advantage is they could take risks and afford them even if they failed? It used to be true. Now, risk is unacceptable. Without risk, their is mediocrity.

  77. tomingeorgia June 30th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    OK, luis, but where do we find this “core”? If none of these outfielders in AA pan out, or nobody in AAA can prove they can do an MLB job, what’s left? Drafting higher so we’re in shape for 2017, or what?

  78. tucker June 30th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Luis, not so sure the Sox had a great core. Pedroia, Ortiz, Ellsbury … Who else? I guess you can throw Salty in there, too. But the Sox significantly remade their roster.

    The Yanks will have a rotation that will allow them to compete next year. sign the Cuban shortstop, get the injured players back next year, sign some veterans 2- or 3-year deals without sacrificing any prospects. Also, Cashman can’t wait for February until the leftovers can be had for one-year deals. Such an approach may require Hal to scrap 189 and Cashman would need to abandon his failed one-player-at-a-time approach in the offseason. Cashman would actually need to read and react to the market.

    My point is Hal cares more about money than anything else. And this year may finally open his eyes that things need to change.

  79. fantasygame101 June 30th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    the Yankees can only develop relievers so DROB can be traded to Detroit for their 3rd baseman prospect. Cano be traded to the nationals. Hughes to the giants and joba to the braves. I think they can get at least 5 position players from there. If anybody is interested in either phelps or nova, trade one of the them too.

  80. jacksquat June 30th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    It’s pretty unusual to get a core of players through the minors like Jeter + Bernie + Posada + Pettitte + Mariano. Plus, eventually they had to pay them like free agents.

    Ideally with a combination of spending and development you get a mix that works.

  81. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Luis,

    The lack of a core group is rather shocking. If Cano leaves, Gardner is about it in the next few years. Of course, he too will be a free agent soon.

    What position player in the Yankee organization under 25 is likely to be an all star calibre player? We have a few in the mid-minors who might possibly be if all goes well and there are no setbacks. We have no one pushing up their way up the organization via production. Sad and scary.

  82. jacksquat June 30th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    DRob does not get you remotely close to Castellanos.

  83. mick June 30th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    There likely will be no miracles in the next 2 years or so it takes to lower payroll.
    In fact, we should see more of the same recent past for the next few years.
    Hopefully some or enough of our farm system will arise to form some kind of a core and by then there will be more of a choice of FA’s to choose from.
    If we are doomed for the 20 years, will life go on? Yes, for some.
    Having been through it , I am prepared and will adjust…

  84. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    When is the deadline to sign Judge and anyone else? Maybe the team can just hold onto the money and use it to offset Michael Young’s cost. Sounds about right.

  85. mick June 30th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    We have no one pushing up their way up the organization via production.
    =========================
    How can we tell who will be part of a core?
    How do we know who we will get in trades?
    Nobody predicted what we were getting in Jeter, Posad, Bernie and MO.
    Nobody saw that coming….

  86. luis June 30th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    tomingeorgia June 30th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
    OK, luis, but where do we find this “core”? If none of these outfielders in AA pan out, or nobody in AAA can prove they can do an MLB job, what’s left? Drafting higher so we’re in shape for 2017, or what?

    ===============================

    Tom,

    You develop it… It might take that long ( 2017 ), but I think it is around 2016 more likely if all goes well… For that to happen you need to invest on the farm ( scouting, talent and coaching )… And then you compliment it with FA’s and trades…. The good thing is that at least there is a foundation to rebuild around ( we have pitching ) which means that is going to take less time… But you need a guy that knows how to do this.

  87. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Mick,

    I’m not sure anyone won’t survive. Baseball is to provide fun from real life. This team and the ones to come without change of operation is not fun. Simple as that.

  88. yankee21 June 30th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    austinmac,,, July 12th.

  89. mick June 30th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    The NYY’s are afraid to make deals with their name players for prospects.
    They never have and won’t as the fanbase will desert.
    All of this will take time and that doesn’t fly in NY.

  90. tucker June 30th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    The team will collect insurance on Tex and some money on ARod (though not the 80 percent of his salary upon retirement). I imagine they took out a policy on Youk’s balky back, too.

    Maybe the Yanks should just convert the Stadium into an insurance office.

  91. fantasygame101 June 30th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    jacksquat,

    it depends on how they think of DROB, if they thinks of him as a closer, yes. The tigers are a win now team and they need a closer.

  92. mick June 30th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    This team and the ones to come without change of operation is not fun. Simple as that.
    ============================
    How do you know what the plan will be?
    Like I said. In a few years we will have our 1st crop pf this farm system ready.
    The pitching looks sound and you build on that.
    A few prospects emerge , a few good FA’s exist and we are on our way…

  93. luis June 30th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    tucker June 30th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    Luis, not so sure the Sox had a great core. Pedroia, Ortiz, Ellsbury … Who else? I guess you can throw Salty in there, too. But the Sox significantly remade their roster.

    The Yanks will have a rotation that will allow them to compete next year. sign the Cuban shortstop, get the injured players back next year, sign some veterans 2- or 3-year deals without sacrificing any prospects. Also, Cashman can’t wait for February until the leftovers can be had for one-year deals. Such an approach may require Hal to scrap 189 and Cashman would need to abandon his failed one-player-at-a-time approach in the offseason. Cashman would actually need to read and react to the market.

    My point is Hal cares more about money than anything else. And this year may finally open his eyes that things need to change.

    =============================

    Those players are a pretty good core to build around… And the Sox got rid of plenty of bad contracts and trade current roster players in exchange of prospects to enhance their talent pool… Exactly what the Yankees need to do.

    But yeah, I think they might go the route you suggest

  94. yankee21 June 30th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    the Yankees do not have to be the best at drafting and developing and coaching talent.
    They do not have to be STL or TB (with pitchers) or TEX with position players.

    With their resources (if they choose to use them) the Yankees just have to be average or so.
    They just need to develop components that will succeed at the ML level. They can buy superstars if and when they are available, they can certainly afford them, like most ML teams can do today with all the TV revenue.

    The problem has been they have been far below average in drafting and developing and coaching talent.

    You take that along with an owner whose priority is 189 not 28, you wind up with a team which is in trouble.

  95. jacksquat June 30th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    fantasy,

    I think DRob could close just fine, but I think that still doesn’t get you a prospect as good as Castellanos. I think Cano would be needed for him.

  96. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Jeter was always very highly rated. Look at Mo’s first year in the minors. Bernie and Posada hit their way to the majors. Could some of these guys do it? Of course. It would be nice to see some evidence.

    Caste llanos, who many discuss, was drafted after Culver who was unanimously panned by every pundit. He is in the second year of low A ball hitting .210. Ditto for Bichette. Awful, awful picks. But, they were signable after losing Cole.

    In the years gone by the team would spend big money on lower, tough to sign players in the draft. In recent years, they stopped that even before the spending limits. Again, limiting risk is now the central focus.

  97. luis June 30th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    Luis,

    The lack of a core group is rather shocking. If Cano leaves, Gardner is about it in the next few years. Of course, he too will be a free agent soon.

    What position player in the Yankee organization under 25 is likely to be an all star calibre player? We have a few in the mid-minors who might possibly be if all goes well and there are no setbacks. We have no one pushing up their way up the organization via production. Sad and scary.

    ======================

    Got to go… But yeah Mac scary and sad… We didn’t have to be in this position

  98. mick June 30th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    The problem with the whining Yankee fans is that they are spoiled, myself inc.
    We are used to winning and take it for granted.
    Mack is right in saying it is entertainment and nothing more.
    too often our lives are too trite and the Yanks provide the escape we need.
    Winning is a huge part of that, as we fance ourselves team members.
    It’s a fantasy world, no doubt, and how dare Hal take this away from us.
    At least that seems to be the fear. It’s an adjustment, no doubt, and this would not be the place to be, if what’s feared to happen, does…

  99. fantasygame101 June 30th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    jacksquat,

    If cano is going to be traded, I want him to go to an organization where they can get at least 2 very good position players. I do not know if the tigers has another position player.

  100. jacksquat June 30th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    The Yanks should have read this blog and took my advice to trade one of our outfielders to the Mets for Wilmer Flores!

    .309/.346/.511 in AAA at age 21. :sad:

  101. mick June 30th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    This place is becoming more and more depressing with each loss.
    There really is no reason to continue listening to the endless repetition of couldas and shouldas.
    If this is all there is, I will have to leave for mental health reasons.
    A hiatus, or at least a cutback in time here, will be hard as I enjoy the writing and reading part of this but might be essential again for mental health.

  102. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Yankee21

    Thanks for the info.

    I agree with you. Use the advantage of the big market. That doesn’t mean you can’t have a reasonably productive farm system.

  103. austinmac June 30th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Mick,

    The past is past. What they do going forward is what matters. I sure don’t know how they will operate. The past is only relevant if the team doesn’t learn from it. I hope they do.

  104. Nick in SF June 30th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    So as we close out the first half of 2013, it’s Prognosis: Negative?

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 30th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Niblick asked that I post this and it seem an appropriate time to do so. I’ll also post it right before game time.

    PREDICTIONS FOR 2013

    SoS – 117*
    Igotid88 – 104*
    Trisha – 97
    Jacksquat – 96
    Poetkiosk – 96
    Newyorkfanforever – 95
    Jmills – 95
    Doc Iac – 95*
    Yankeehotelfoxtrot - 95
    rm – 94
    Tomingeorgia – 94
    Nilsson – 94
    r115 – 94
    BBfan - 94
    Munson – 93
    Ghostwriter – 93
    Big Al – 93
    The Straw – 93
    Warning Track Power - 93
    Carly – 93
    Tabbert – 93
    CountryClub – 93
    Shame Spencer - 92
    Mike_Boston - 92
    Utility Man – 92
    Chip – 92
    Jmv – 92
    Nick in SF – 92
    Mike Ri – 92
    joecembrale – 92
    pyankfan – 92
    Tackleberry – 91
    RMS – 91
    RadioKev – 91
    ac1 – 91
    massjake – 91
    Yankeefeminista – 91
    Noreaster – 91
    Joeman – 90
    GregD – 90
    Bronx Jeers – 90
    4 NYY – 89
    Blake – 89
    Yankee21 – 89
    Luis – 89
    Astrocityfan – 89
    Austinmac – 88
    David in Cal – 88
    Yankee Trader – 88
    Cashmoney – 87
    Charlestonchew – 87
    Jackson – 87
    PacoDooley – 87
    Bruceb – 86
    Vineyard Yankee – 86
    Bobby Murcer – 86
    Don – 86
    Mike in Harrisburg – 86
    Baby Ruth – 85
    Sammiejohnson – 85
    Joeman – 85
    Felix Unger – 84
    bardos – 83
    Your Worst Nightmare – 83
    Deal With It – 82
    Oscar Madison – 82
    Niblick – 81
    MaineYankee – 80
    Cujo – 80
    Comet – 79
    Blutarsky – 78

    *late prediction

  106. igotid88 June 30th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Let’s go Yankees

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 30th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    “Mick,

    The past is past. What they do going forward is what matters. I sure don’t know how they will operate. The past is only relevant if the team doesn’t learn from it. I hope they do.”

    Excellent. Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, and today is a gift. That’s what it’s called the present.

    Play today, win today!

    :)

    mick – please do not even consider leaving. We’ll just continue to stay positive!

    GO YANKS!!!!

    later y’all.

  108. Hans Davenport June 30th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Anyone see where Boof Bonser was signed by the Indians? Anyone else think he could have been a good fit?

  109. Tar June 30th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    ” He said he has been cleared to play in games by the doc, then is told to shut up, then says he is not ready, then says he feels great and is on schedule, but won’t say what the schedule is…”

    I don’t believe he ever was quoted as saying “he is not ready”. I think you are quoting the anonymous, speculating sources whom the tabloids are so fond of using.

    And he won’t say what the schedule is because Brian might have a conniption again.

  110. Nick in SF June 30th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Plus he probably doesn’t know the schedule because he hasn’t been cleared to play yet?

  111. Tar June 30th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Trish

    I’m not on the list (which isn’t a big deal) but here was my (revised) predicition

    Tar April 1st, 2013 at 9:47 am
    Trisha

    89 and the WC. Thanks

  112. G. Love June 30th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    What’s funny to me is the team everyone in here is scared of, the Tigers, signed Fielder as a free agent. Traded for Cabrera and Scherzer. Signed Victor Martinez as a free agent. Traded and signed Anibal Sanchez as a free agent. Traded for Fister. Signed Benoit as a free agent. Traded for Austin Jackson. The beat goes on…

    You can build a team with a smart GM who makes big moves. It doesn’t all have to be a “homegrown core” to win in this league. It just doesn’t.

    The Tigers are the class of the AL and outside of drafting Verlander and developing Avila, they’re not exactly all straight from the Detroit system.

  113. Nick in SF June 30th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    I don’t feel like researching it, but I wonder what percentage of the current active roster is homegrown vs. the average percentage from 1996-2001 or moving forward to 2009.

  114. Nick in SF June 30th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    BTW, as someone alluded to earlier, it was not a vintage performance from young Michael Pineda today vs. the Binghampton Mets: 3 IP 4 H 4 ER 4 BB 2HR.

    I’ve been scraping wax off my 2014 Rotation parchment. :oops:

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