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Girardi: “I really believe that they can do it again”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 01, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Lyle Overbay, Joe Girardi

The second half of the season begins today. It begins with the Yankees struggling — struggling to score runs, stay healthy and take advantage of a pretty good pitching staff. It begins with them still above .500, but slipping closer and closer to a losing record.

The Yankees were much better early in the season, but there’s a growing sense that the current struggles are much closer to their long-term reality.

“I’ve seen them (play well),” manager Joe Girardi said. “That’s what I’ve seen with my own eyes. It’s not like they did it someplace else. I saw them do it and I really believe that they can do it again. … I think you’re starting to see some at-bats are better for us. I think Andy’s stuff has been better, I think CC’s stuff has been better. I think CC’s stuff is better than it was in April when he won a lot of games. That makes me believe that we can play that well again.”

Halfway through the season, very few things have gone according to plan, and there a real sense of mystery — at almost every position — about what the Yankees can expect going forward.

Mariano Rivera, Chris StewartCATCHER
The plan: Give career backups Francisco Cervelli and Chris Stewart a chance to carry the load. Count on defense at the position; get offense elsewhere.
The reality: Stewart has become an everyday player while Cervelli sits on the disabled list and Austin Romine struggles in a backup role.
What worked? Cervelli actually looked great before breaking his hand. He had an .877 OPS and his defense was sharp. In his place, Stewart has hit above his career numbers, and the Yankees have remained the second-best team in the American League at throwing out base stealers.
What didn’t? No surprise that the Yankees have been near the bottom of the league in terms of offense from the catching position. Romine has a .352 OPS in his first extended look at the big league level.
What’s next? Still waiting for Cervelli to get healthy. J.R. Murphy is experienced a sort of breakout season, but the Yankees seem to be in no rush to push him to the big leagues to play a part-time role. Barring a trade, the Yankees seem most likely to simply hope Cervelli can provide an offensive boost before it’s too late. Until then, they seem perfectly happy with what Stewart has done.

Lyle Overbay, Jose LobatonFIRST BASE
The plan: Let Lyle Overbay and Kevin Youkilis split time at first base while waiting for Mark Teixeira to get healthy and takeover his familiar role as an everyday first baseman and middle-of-the-order run producer.
The reality: Teixeira’s return lasted just 15 games, Youkilis hasn’t been able to fill his half of the replacement platoon, and Overbay’s production has been limited to vs. right handers.
What worked? Overbay was actually terrific as a last-minute replacement. He held down the fort — with his own obvious limitations — until Teixeira returned from a wrist injury. Early indications were that Teixeira would avoid season-ending surgery.
What didn’t? Teixeira is ultimately lost for the year, and asking Overbay to be an everyday player — something he hasn’t done in a while — is leaving him overexposed with bad matchups that don’t fit his strengths. With Teixeira under contract, the Yankees system hasn’t focused on developing a standout first baseman to fill such a hole.
What’s next? There is really not an in-house alternative. David Adams has played some first base in a pinch, but there’s no experienced alternative outside of some veterans stashed in Triple-A. It seems to be either Overbay or a trade addition.

Robinson CanoSECOND BASE
The plan: One last year before he hits the open market, let Robinson Cano play every day as the Yankees best all-around position player.
The reality: Cano’s stayed healthy, and he’s still a no-doubt-about-it all-star, but he’s having a slightly down year and talking openly about being pitched differently without much protection in the lineup.
What worked? Cano is basically the only big name, everyday player who hasn’t gone on the disabled list.
What didn’t? Cano’s had a .909 OPS the past three years combined. This season, his OPS has been in the mid .800s. It’s hardly a bad season, but the Yankees have been desperate for offense, so it’s a bad time for Cano to take a slight step backwards. Of course, there’s also every chance that Cano’s season is a direct result of the players around him. Why would anyone give him something to hit?
What’s next? The only question is Cano is whether the Yankees will be able to re-sign him at the end of the year. The idea of trading him and punting on the season seems hard to imagine. As long as he’s healthy this season, he’ll almost certainly stay right where he is.

David AdamsTHIRD BASE
The plan: Kevin Youkilis was signed to fill in for Alex Rodriguez, and Jayson Nix was around to play some third base off the bench and against lefties.
The reality: The Yankees have been forced to dig into their farm system, with David Adams emerging as the current regular third baseman. Youkilis had back surgery, and Ronnier Mustelier has also spent most of the season on the disabled list, taking him out of contention as a possible alternative.
What worked? Youkilis actually looked pretty good in spring training, and he got off to a strong start in early April. Adams also hit really well when he first arrived in the big leagues and at least momentarily looked like a ready replacement.
What didn’t? Inevitably, Youkilis couldn’t play, and his back seemed to seriously sap his offensive production when he tried to play. Adams eventually went cold, the Chris Nelson experiment didn’t last and Mustelier has been unable to help after his terrific spring. What hasn’t worked at third base? Pretty much everything.
What’s next? Amazing how desperately the Yankees need Rodriguez at this point. Third base is one position that was supposed to provide some right-handed power, and now the Yankees are left hoping Rodriguez can provide it. Adams has looked a little better lately, but there’s still a real need for a productive version of A-Rod to make a difference.

Jayson NixSHORTSTOP
The plan: When hopes of Derek Jeter breaking camp faded away, the Yankees handed the shortstop position to Eduardo Nunez, trusting that his defensive improvements would carry into the season.
The reality: What seemed like a minor Nunez injury has kept him out of the lineup since May 5, putting the shortstop position largely in the hands of Nix (with occasionally help from guys like Alberto Gonzalez and Reid Brignac).
What worked? Nunez’s defense actually was much better, and Nix has done a good job getting on base against lefties.
What didn’t? Nunez didn’t hit much, and for the most part, Nix has hit about the way you’d expect a third-string shortstop to hit. Mostly, though, what hasn’t worked has been Jeter’s ankle. His spring setback has left him going through a long rehab process all year.
What’s next? Shortstop is a hard position to fill, but Nunez is playing in minor league rehab games, which suggests he could be back fairly soon. And the Yankees have made it clear that they’re going to prepare Jeter to return to the position that’s been his for nearly two decades.

Vernon WellsLEFT FIELD
The plan: Have Curtis Granderson spend some time learning the position in spring training and play him there quite often during the season.
The reality: Granderson broke his arm in his first spring game, then broke his hand in his eighth game off the disabled list. Instead, it’s been mostly Vernon Wells in left, for better and for worse.
What worked? Short-term, the Wells signing worked perfectly. He actually was a very productive everyday player while Granderson was on the disabled list for the first month or so. More recently, what’s worked has been the arrival of rookie Zoilo Almonte.
What didn’t? Eventually, Wells reverted to his old, familiar struggles. When Granderson went back on the DL, Wells was completely unable to regain his early form, which was a significant problem because of the Yankees’ desperate need for a right-handed hitter.
What’s next? Granderson is rehabbing and should be back eventually, but for now it seems that Almonte is going to continue getting regular at-bats against both lefties and righties. If Mustelier or Brennan Boesch gets healthy again, one of those could factor in as well, but for now it’s Almonte plugging the hole until Granderson returns.

Brett GardnerCENTER FIELD
The plan: Assuming Granderson was able to adjust to left field, the Yankees were ready to give Brett Gardner a chance as an everyday center fielder.
The reality: Not only has Gardner played center nearly every game, he’s been the Yankees regular leadoff hitter and put up numbers that have him in the mix for the All-Star game.
What worked? In short, Gardner worked. He’s been a good defensive player — which was a fairly safe bet — and he’s also shown some unexpected pop while getting on base at a good clip at the top of the order. He and Cano are the Yankees only offensive bright spots this season.
What didn’t? Without Granderson, the Yankees really haven’t had a strong alternative in center. Ichiro Suzuki has played there, but it’s basically been Gardner every day. And for whatever reason, Gardner hasn’t been running much on the bases.
What’s next? More of the same. At this point it seems a safe bet that Granderson will return as a left fielder and Gardner will keep playing in the middle of the outfield and the top of the order.

Ichiro SuzukiRIGHT FIELD
The plan: Impressed by last year’s partial season in pinstripes, the Yankees gave Ichiro Suzuki a two-year deal, which made it clear that he was expected to play right field every day.
The reality: It’s been an up-and-down season for Ichiro, but at least he’s remained healthy and — for the most part — has not been a total black hole offensively.
What worked? Lately Ichiro’s been one of the Yankees better hitters. Despite his age, he’s been able to play nearly every day and he’s hit especially well against lefties.
What didn’t? Oddly, Ichiro has struggled quite a bit against right-handers. And he’s gone through stretches when he’s looked completely lost at the plate. His on-base percentage is still pretty low despite a good month of June.
What’s next? More Ichiro. Might see him get some days off after Granderson returns, but the position is his barring an outfield trade. Probably going to be his next year, too.

Travis HafnerDESIGNATED HITTER
The plan: Let Travis Hafner hit against righties and use the DH position to give veterans a half day off against lefties.
The reality: Veterans haven’t been healthy enough to take those half days off, and the short-term Ben Francisco experiment was a complete mess. Hafner’s been one of the team’s better power hitters, but that’s not saying much.
What worked? Hafner was tremendous in April, helping the Yankees jump out to a strong start and at least temporarily filling a sizeable gap in the middle of the order.
What didn’t? Hafner was brutal in May and only occasionally productive in June. Meanwhile, the Yankees have never really had a helpful right-handed designated hitter.
What’s next? The Yankees badly need offense, and any sort of trade or player off the disabled list would surely have a trickle-down impact on the DH position, at the very least upgrading from the right side and moving Hafner out of the cleanup spot.

CC SabathiaROTATION
The plan: Pretty familiar, really. Hiroki Kuroda and Andy Pettitte were re-signed so that the Yankees could use essentially the same rotation that they used last year.
The reality: More or less as expected, except with David Phelps in the rotation instead of Ivan Nova. Pettitte has dealt with some back injuries, but he’s been available most of the year.
What worked? Kuroda has been terrific, and until Saturday night, Phelps was pitching very well as a rotation replacement. The Yankees have also gotten strong spot starts from Vidal Nuno and positive news on Michael Pineda’s rehab.
What didn’t? CC Sabathia’s first half didn’t meet expectations. He wasn’t necessarily bad, just didn’t pitch up to typical “ace” standards other than his workload. Phil Hughes has been wildly up and down; either extremely good or extremely bad, still lacking consistency as he heads toward free agency.
What’s next? Sabathia and Kuroda are locked into the top two spots, but Pettitte is still trying to get on a roll since coming off the disabled list, and the Yankees will eventually face a decision to use two of Hughes, Nova, Phelps and Pineda as big league starters.

Mariano RiveraBULLPEN
The plan: Use a bunch of familiar faces to form a bridge to the greatest closer of all time.
The reality: Mariano Rivera has been terrific in his final season, and Dave Robertson remains a standout setup man. The impact of Joba Chamberlain’s inconsistency has been minimized because of the emergence of Shawn Kelley and Preston Claiborne, who unexpected impact relievers.
What worked? The late innings have been as secure as ever. Rivera and Robertson have seen to that. Kelley has emerged as a strikeout artist, a surprisingly strong addition that came to the Yankees in a spring training trade with the Mariners. On the whole, the bullpen has remained a strength.
What didn’t? Chamberlain’s most notable moment came when he got into a very public spat with Rivera. Otherwise, he’s struggled since coming back from a rib cage injury. Boone Logan’s overall numbers have been pretty solid, but he hasn’t been particularly good as a left-on-left specialist. Mark Montgomery, the top relief prospect expected to make his big league debut this season, has instead struggled with underwhelming Triple-A numbers and stints on the disabled list.
What’s next? The bullpen has been the least of the Yankees worries and remains that way heading into the second half. A second lefty might help with some matchups — and the Yankees have stockpiled some options in Triple-A — but for the most part, the go-to relievers seem to be in place.

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205 Responses to “Girardi: “I really believe that they can do it again””

  1. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Repost:

    Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Yesterday was rough… it had 2 bright spots and neither had a thing to do with the Yankees:

    1) I found out something about JF that made me smile!! I thought finding out that his name was Patrick was crazy but this was much better.. :D

    2) The Devils made a BOLD trade.. moved their #9 pick for one of the better young goalies in the league, Cory Schneider. The moment they announced the trade and the elation set in, I thought about the Yankees. If the Yankees were run like Lou would run and org, we wouldn’t be in this situation right now.

  2. jacksquat July 1st, 2013 at 9:04 am

    It is partly due to injuries, and not all foreseeable. Arod they knew would be out and Jeter is old so it’s no surprise there were setbacks, Youk was risky. But Tex usually just misses some games here and there, Granderson has missed the entire year being hit by pitches twice, Nunez kept getting hit by pitches, Cervelli got taken out by a foul tip. Those guys aren’t old. All those guys would have helped the team be better than they are now, probably only a few games out instead of 6 at least.

  3. Doreen July 1st, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Repost:

    Oh, I think the sheer volume of the injuries, to the all-stars and their replacements, give justifiable reasons for the season.

    No doubt the team was always going to have to have most things go their way, but there was reason to believe they’d be competitive before the wave of injuries. When players who were supposed to be supporting cast step into starring roles, it is unreasonable to expect the results to be pleasing. If it happens, you are grateful. If it doesn’t, you should not be surprised.

  4. blake July 1st, 2013 at 9:11 am

    What else is he gonna say….this isn’t on Girardi….Merlin the magician couldn’t win with this team

  5. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:12 am

    It’s Hal’s party.

    Is it nice to be the King ?

    :)

  6. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:12 am

    It’s Hal’s party.

    Is it nice to be the King ?

    :)
    —-

    Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown!

  7. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Can we go .500 over the next 14 games?

    4 set against Minny
    3 more against the O’s
    4 set against KC
    3 more against Minny

    We were able to dominate KC the last time we met them but it seems like we’re a different team.

    This has to be the most 4 game sets I’ve ever seen in a season.. am I just perceiving it that way? We’ve had 7 four game sets in the first half of this season.

  8. sunny615 July 1st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    boom. give the kids a try – honestly can’t be any worse.

  9. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Doreen-

    So what is our status ?

    We are sliding badly and have had just about the worst O in baseball for the last Month.

    Wait for the regulars and hope for a big second half run ?

    That seems a little far-fetched to me.

    We don’t even know if A-Rod and Jeter can stay healthy, and even if they can, that they can perform at a reasonable level.

    How will Cervelli be affected by the wrist injury ?

    I do no think the Yankees can bank on these things. I say they scrap 189 now and make some moves.

    Hal has spent lot’s of money this season. Lot’s of it wasted but I don’t see a great alternative to him spending more.

    It’s his Team to win or lose with. And it’s his money.

    He made a vow. Let’s see if he keeps it.

    ;)

  10. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    And by the way, we are now in 4th place 6 1/2 games out.

    I’d say that’s not competitive.

  11. blake July 1st, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Do the Yankees really think the fans are going to stick around anyway if they aren’t makin the playoffs? Sell…..if you can’t extend Cano then trade him …..that’s what every other team would do

  12. blake July 1st, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Is there another team in baseball that would hang on to Cano for no reason if they werent a contender and they hasn’t extended him?

  13. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Blake-

    I’ve got to believe the wise Men surrounding Hal are whispering in his ear.

    They’ve got their eyes on the bottom line.

    And that has to be in danger of slipping badly too.

    So how does Hal wish to lose money ?

    By declined sales and revenues brought on by a non-competitive Team, or by ponying up some more up front to help in the here and now, and in the Future.

    I’d say he is better off ponying up some more money now.

    What do you think ?

    ;)

  14. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I don’t even think Cervelli has swung a bat yet… it seems Arod wasn’t the only one declaring himself good to go prematurely.

  15. Yankee Trader July 1st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Chad-

    Your excellent post covered all the bases!

    MTU-

    I vote for Cashman being proactive and explore all trade opportunities now and any and all international free agents.

  16. blake July 1st, 2013 at 9:30 am

    MTU,

    Like I said earlier if Hal was smart he’d hold a press conference today and announce that 189 isn’t going to happen…..then he’d say that they are going to do what’s best for the organization long term and if that means selling this year then that’s what they’ll do.

    Some fans would be mad…..a lot would be excited IMO that there was some sort of direction and plan.

  17. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:31 am

    YT-

    It’s actually Hal who holds the keys because Cashman cannot do diddley w/o more money being made available.

    What I hope they don’t do is put any more patches on a really worn high-mileage tire.

    Either do something worth doing or don’t bother.

    ;)

  18. 4TrainNorth July 1st, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I’m just thankful that my kids–one 4 and the other 5 months old now–will have a chance to grow up with the same sort of Yankees I did, in the late 80s and early 90s. That way they’ll appreciate it much more, many years from now, when the team returns to the top of the heap. Because no championship felt better than that first (to me) one, in 1996. So in a way, I kind of welcome what is sure to be a fairly long drought.

  19. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:36 am

    The Yankees can still make a splash.

    ;)

  20. sunny615 July 1st, 2013 at 9:37 am

    sure can. they can blow this embarrassment up.

  21. 86w183 July 1st, 2013 at 9:38 am

    There’s nothing wrong with a down year if it clearly shows you are experiencing short term pain for long term gain as the Sawx did last season.

    If and when the Yanks decide that post-season won’t be happening they should investigate trading a number of guys who will be FA at the end of the year. that starts with Cano and Kuroda who have the most value — followed by Granderson, Hughes and Logan.

    They do need to determine if they can get more for any/all of those guys than the value of a sandwich pick in next year’s expected to be really strong draft. I can see Cano, Kuroda, Hughes and Granderson all potentially turning down a QO.

  22. blake July 1st, 2013 at 9:39 am

    If the Yankees do what seems they predictably will do…..(which is nothing and sign Cano to a bad contract and then follow through with the 189 plan) then it’s gonna be a long time before they are good again IMO……however if they are proactive andante some smart decisions and Hal will spend the money then they can retool rather quickly.

    There are answers out there….. If they are willing to look for them. The stays quo isn’t going to work and will keep them in this rut they have been in since 2010…..

  23. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:39 am

    “they can blow this embarrassment up.”

    Or trade and spend to shore it up, or truly improve it.

    ;)

  24. sunny615 July 1st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Only if Hal figures out that this embarrassment of a team isn’t going to get them to 80 wins. And that’s a long shot.

  25. Yankee Trader July 1st, 2013 at 9:42 am

    96 was special. Yankees had a lot of comeback wins during the season, and the WS they came back after being down 2-0 in the first two games at YS. In Game 1, Pettitte was taken deep by rookie Andruw Jones and failed miserably, and then pitches a masterpiece at Turner Filed, besting John Smoltz 1-0, in game 5.

    http://www.baseball-reference......6_WS.shtml

  26. blake July 1st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    The Braves sure could use Cano….I don’t know what they’d give for him or what they’d do with Uggla but a contact and overall good bat like Cano could be the difference for them…..they are a piece or two away from being a WS team. I think te bidding for Cano could get very interesting if the Yanks put him on the block…..I’m almost positive they could get a premium prospect for him…..maybe more.

    The Yankees should trade him now and sign him this winter….. That’s the sort of bold move that’ll get them out of this

  27. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Blake-

    We both know the Yankees are not trading Cano.

  28. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 9:44 am

    If we’re still sitting 5-6 games back by the break.. they have to do something right?

    I just can’t imagine them letting Mo walk away from this game without a chance. That’s the part that’s been making me the most sick about this whole mess. They had a chance to really go for it this year, but they stalled and decided to wait and see their way through the season.

  29. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 9:45 am

    blake – Another issue may have cropped up re: trading Cano. It sounds very much like the Phillies are shopping Utley.

  30. sunny615 July 1st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    still are

  31. sunny615 July 1st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    utley – another player the yankees could trade for only to put him on the DL for the rest of the season.

  32. deltajoe July 1st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Anybody know When was the last time the Yankees were 6 1/2
    out of first place

  33. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Shame-

    The injuries have been a nightmare.

    I don’t see us a s much closer by the break.

    If things don’t break right we could be further back.

    This O is atrocious. Only very poor pitching by our opposition is likely to help.

    Pray we face some really weak a*s pitching until the break.

    P.S. I don’t think that’s going to be the case.

    ;)

  34. blake July 1st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    July 1, 2013 at 9:45 am
    blake – Another issue may have cropped up re: trading Cano. It sounds very much like the Phillies are shopping Utley.

    Yea…..cano is way better and more likelyntknstay healthy though. Two totally different markets there IMO…..if the Yanks decide to trade Cano then there will be bidding for him and then Utley could go to somebody that missed out on him……I really think a lot of teams woukd be aggressive for Robbie ….he’s a difference maker

  35. Yankee Trader July 1st, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Blake-

    If Arod gets suspended 100 games, starting next season, and it holds up, did I remember correctly that the salary witheld is factored in toward the AAV of 27.5, and therefore would enable the Yankees possibly stay under the 189M threshold?

  36. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    blake – I agree teams would be aggressive for Robbie and also that he’s actually a difference maker where Utley could be more of a risk.. but if I’m looking to make a move for a 2B, I now have more options. And if the Rays decide to put Zobrist on the block (totally plausible, IMO)… it could just be interesting. I think the Yankees have the leverage to some extent because they have the best 2B but I think this FO has cold feet. Right now this is a 4th place team and I dunno that they’re prepared for the blow back that might come with trading one of their (very) few star players.

  37. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Fish or cut bait.

    ;)

  38. blake July 1st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    “If Arod gets suspended 100 games, starting next season, and it holds up, did I remember correctly that the salary witheld is factored in toward the AAV of 27.5, and therefore would enable the Yankees possibly stay under the 189M threshold?”

    I think suspensions are yes….. I still doubt they can suspend him and make it stick…,they can suspend him all they want but the union will fight it and probably win. Either way….. They need to forget 189 and do what’s necessary to fix this

  39. 86w183 July 1st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Anybody know When was the last time the Yankees were 6 1/2 out of first place

    *****************************************************************

    May 12, 2009 —

    The Yanks lost to Roy Halladay and Toronto to fall to 15-17, 6 1/2 back of the Blue Jays

  40. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    MTU – I want to believe we can handle Minny…. but I’ve been too optimistic before (against the M’s, Mets, LAA, etc). These next two weeks could be make or break for this team.

    Normally, like I said last night, I try to stay away from that kinda rhetoric this early in the year. There’s still half a season left and a lot can happen. But I really felt like last night was the first of many games that will feel like ‘must win’ situations. The way I see it, we need to at least split the KC and Minny 4 sets and win at least one of those other series between the O’s or Minny.

  41. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Shame-

    I don’t believe there is more than a 1% chance that the Yankees would trade Cano.

    Maybe not even that much.

  42. Yankee Trader July 1st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    deltajoe-

    They were 5 games out in June of 2009.

    Attached this article, after which the Yankees went on a tear:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....PlbZHhsXWP

    Unfortunately, I don’t see this happening this season, with all their question marks.

  43. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Shame-

    Historically we have owned the Twinkies but that was when we had an offense.

    KC is much improved.

    I have no idea how the next series of games is gonna go but even if we tread water and remain 6 games or so behind that is not satisfactory in my book.

    I don’t see this Team with a big run in them w the players and uncertainties that exist.

    A normal Yankees Team maybe but not this one.

  44. Yankee Trader July 1st, 2013 at 10:01 am

    deltajoe-

    I meant to add, that after Hanson shut down the Yankees, Cashman met with the team and voiced his displeasure.

  45. blake July 1st, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “May 12, 2009 —

    The Yanks lost to Roy Halladay and Toronto to fall to 15-17, 6 1/2 back of the Blue Jays”

    The 2009 team was 45-32 and had a + 60 run differential on July 1. This team has a -16 run diff

  46. bruceb July 1st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    There are no easy games left on the schedule for the 2013 New York Yankees. The reality is that we are now the “easy game” for the likes of Orioles, Sox and Rays.

    When was the last time the Yanks knocked a starter out of a game early?

  47. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    This team has a -16 run diff

    ———————-

    I hate all of our statistics this year.

    MTU – Agreed about that 1%. I think they need to trade Hughes, Nova/Phelps, Grandy and whoever else they can try and sell.

  48. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Girardi has done the best he can with he has.

    Actually he has done an outstanding job all things considered IMO.

    But no Manager can win consistently w an offense like this.

    We have are at or near the bottom of baseball in almost every offensive category for an entire month.

    And the strain is showing on our Pitching.

    It’s a vicious downward spiral that can only be broken by adding a significant amount of O.

    Fish or cut bait Hal.

    ;)

  49. Frankg July 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Thanks for the analysis, Chad. I do think Nunez will hit better, based on his minor league numbers and playoff performance last year. They do have to bench Vernon at some point if he doesn’t find himself.

    They seem to get a temporary spark and win some games from the guys who they bring up, like Adams and Almonte, and they should continue to try this.

  50. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Shame-

    I think that could a part of the solution.

  51. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 10:13 am

    In engineering circles they say you cannot hold up a building with toothpicks and worn out timbers.

    ;)

  52. 86w183 July 1st, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Blake — I wasn’t comparing this team to 2009, I was just answering a question as to the last time the Yankees were 6 1/2 back.

    gotta run

    later folks, have a day!

  53. Jerkface July 1st, 2013 at 10:14 am

    6 1/2 games back isn’t dire. They should not be throwing in the towel at 6 1/2 games. The issue is that by the trade deadline they are more likely to be 12 games out than tied for first.

  54. MTU July 1st, 2013 at 10:15 am

    JF-

    With an O like this one 6 1/2 games is dire.

  55. Yankee Trader July 1st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    MTU and Shame-

    If you are not planning to retain any of the FA’s, or give them qualifying offers at seasons end, start exploring trade offers now. Hughes’ trade value probably went up a notch after the Ranger game.

  56. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 10:20 am

    If they go .500 in the next two weeks I’d be happy. In all likelihood it would keep them between 4-6 games out and that’s not a huge mountain to climb. We’re going to have to beat up on Minny and KC and hope to god we can take at least one from the O’s.

    The problem with all this middling stuff is that the deadline might pass with us still being 4-6 games behind… and our team will be fully dependent on the returns of our injured players.

    I was laughing out loud when the ESPN guys were talking about Arod’s PEDs and then went on to say how we’re basically desperate for his return because a 50% Arod is better than any options in our system.

  57. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Trader – There are only like 3-4 guys on our team right now I wouldn’t consider trading. I don’t want to mail in the year… I want to make a few moves to keep this team in it, and I think that’s possible.

    Just requires growing a pair.

  58. pkyankfan69 July 1st, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Hughes is a tough call… Have to judge whether you can get more value from him at the TD or more value in the sandwich pick for him. If you can find the right fit for Hughes at the TD (a contending team, in a big ballpark, desperate for a starter) I would imagine you could get more in trade value.

  59. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:23 am

    I was laughing out loud when the ESPN guys were talking about Arod’s PEDs and then went on to say how we’re basically desperate for his return because a 50% Arod is better than any options in our system.
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    Why do you find that funny Shame?

  60. Yankee Trader July 1st, 2013 at 10:23 am

    JF-

    I agree with you. Even if ARod, Nunez, Jeter, Granderson, and Cervelli, somehow return after the AS break, what are some of the key offensive stats that you expect won’t improve enough to turn the offense around?

    OB%
    Scoring with RISP

    Thoughts?

  61. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Just requires growing a pair.
    ================
    Or making a deal that is feasible for both sides.

  62. pkyankfan69 July 1st, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Granderson is also a very tough call… He will likely be back only maybe a week or so before the TD… Would a contender, desperate for OF production take a chance on him and give up a nice prospect for him? Very tough call, we might have to settle for a sandwich pick for him also.

  63. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 10:27 am

    This thread is FAR too long. Let me put it in a nut shell. We got guys on the 25 Man that are Now playing to their established MLB level, or guys that obviously do Not have the talent to be playing everyday at this level. END of thread.

  64. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    The pressure on Hal is next year.
    Next year does effect this year tho.
    If he stays near .500 by the TD and wants to sprint to the finish with 90 wins, he will have to pickup players that are in the middle of a contract that MIGHT COST MONEY, HAL!!!

  65. JimK July 1st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    At the beginning of the year I thought the Yankees would be competitive and despite their recent woes, for the most part they have been. However, my view was based on the fact that although the Yankees were not a great team there were no other great around either. I did not expect Arod back, but I did not think the Yankees would have the extended injury problems to key players, but even that is just an excuse.
    The reality is the Yankees are simply a bad team; when they are the scheduled game of the week they now seem to be playing the part of the “Washington Generals” to every other team’s “Globetrotters.” A team cannot win games with a lineup that can be labeled “7 Men Out.”
    And the other reality is that no other team is going to help them via trade; the Yankees, even they wanted to trade Cano would not recent anything close to fair value.
    One note on the superstar Cuban SS; I think the Yankees, after their last big jump in the unknown international superstar game, are reluctant to get burned again.

  66. Frankg July 1st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Be nice if they teach Granderson how to get out of the way of inside pitches.

  67. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Shame, you have the right to ignore me, of course.
    Is it something I said or the way I said it?
    I realize people don’t like to be challenged here…

  68. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:34 am

    You name any other team in the game that would have handled the injuries we have had any better and a lot of this nonsense talk dissipates.

  69. blake July 1st, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Jerkface says:
    July 1, 2013 at 10:14 am
    6 1/2 games back isn’t dire. They should not be throwing in the towel at 6 1/2 games. The issue is that by the trade deadline they are more likely to be 12 games out than tied for first.

    Yea mean they aren’t put of it right at this moment….but they need real help very soon or they will be. If they want to have a chance this year then they can’t wait til the end of the month…..it’ll be over by then and too late

  70. bruceb July 1st, 2013 at 10:37 am

    If this team is done by the ASB, which is a distinct possibility now, do the Yanks fire Cashman and get another GM in to rebuild for 2014?

    It wasn’t so long ago that Cashman was being hailed as a genius for seeing what no other GM could see:

    That Travis Hafner was over his shoulder problems and could be a productive, regular DH.

    That Vernon Wells’ two years in the wilderness were at an end and now that he had remodeled his swing, he could be a productive outfielder again.

    That Lyle Overbay had also discovered the elixir of youth.

    That Ichiro Suzuki was worth a two-year contract at age 39.

    That Austin Romine was ready to be a ML catcher.

    That David Adams could be an everyday 3B.

    The list goes on…

    OK, so it’s not all his fault. You can argue no team could cover for having six or seven regulars out of the lineup (although we knew we’d be without several of them). But surely when the dumpster diving fails to work out and the kids from the farm don’t come through either, it’s time to question whether your GM is taking you in the right direction.

  71. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Yea mean they aren’t put of it right at this moment….but they need real help very soon or they will be.
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    Who would help us now?

  72. blake July 1st, 2013 at 10:39 am

    mick says:
    July 1, 2013 at 10:34 am
    You name any other team in the game that would have handled the injuries we have had any better and a lot of this nonsense talk dissipates.

    The issues aren’t the injures themselves…..it’s that they were predictable and the roster contstriction before the season started was poor.

    Nobody could have survived these injuries no…..but they built a 230 million dollar 1987 camaro and expected it not to break down……which was always folly

  73. blake July 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “Who would help us now?”

    Nobody….at least not enough which is why they should sell

  74. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    If this team is done by the ASB, which is a distinct possibility now, do the Yanks fire Cashman and get another GM in to rebuild for 2014?
    ============================
    If you could get an honest reaction out of Hal, he would prooly say this is his plan and he expects the team to flounder for awhile before it is rebuilt.
    He will say it will take 2-3 years and not to expect the playoffs in that period b/c we are also restructuring the way we spend money, at least for now, so this is inevitable and part of our growth process.

  75. G. Love July 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    mick,

    Name me any other team that walked into the season with the left side of their infield with one player with a broken ankle and the other with hip surgery and the one guy they get to replace them (Youk) gets injured walking to the plate and the other is a farmhand our GM said stinks offensively.

    You want to let the Yankees off the hook for injures, fine.

    But don’t pretend there weren’t major signs this was coming and the only plan was Youkilis who hasn’t been healthy since the last time the Red Sox won a title.

  76. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Back in the “Dark Days”, Yankee Stadium fans cheered when it was announced that George had been suspended by The Commish. Unfortunately, fan dis-satisfaction is the Sole area that Hal holds in common with his Dad, and that continues to grow daily.

  77. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Nobody could have survived these injuries no…..but they built a 230 million dollar 1987 camaro and expected it not to break down……which was always folly
    ===================================
    This could have happened any time in the past5 years or so.
    What would we have done then?
    Who would we have brought up?

  78. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Back in the “Dark Days”, Yankee Stadium fans cheered when it was announced that George had been suspended by The Commish. Unfortunately, fan dis-satisfaction is the Sole area that Hal holds in common with his Dad, and that continues to grow daily.
    =======================
    The difference is that you can’t be suspended for bad management.

  79. blake July 1st, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “If this team is done by the ASB, which is a distinct possibility now, do the Yanks fire Cashman and get another GM in to rebuild for 2014?”

    The only way to fix it is to fire the owner and you can’t do that

  80. Jerkface July 1st, 2013 at 10:45 am

    If Arod gets suspended 100 games, starting next season, and it holds up, did I remember correctly that the salary witheld is factored in toward the AAV of 27.5, and therefore would enable the Yankees possibly stay under the 189M threshold?

    The CBA has no provisions for what happens to suspended players regarding the luxury tax, and by the technical reading of the rules the Yankees would receive no succor for a-rod being suspended. Multiyear contracts count against the CBA based on the AAV of what the contract itself states, not what is physically paid by the Yankees.

  81. blake July 1st, 2013 at 10:46 am

    We all saw that coming with Youkilis…..we let optimism take over for a couple of weeks but it was inevitable

  82. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:46 am

    But don’t pretend there weren’t major signs this was coming and the only plan was Youkilis who hasn’t been healthy since the last time the Red Sox won a title.
    =====================
    g love-

    this is the way we have always operated.
    seems inevitable to me.
    they seem to have put more emphasis on the farm system and pitching look like a forte.
    it will just take time hopefully but is part of a rebuilding process.
    if it doesn’t work out Hal will have to sell the team.

  83. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Just a word of advice which I will have trouble doing again I think, having been through it before:
    Try not to get depressed or let a slide be soul-crushing to your belief in this team in the future.
    If it is that bad, they will eventually be sold.

    1996 was almost as great as the Chambliss HR in 1976 but both were more appreciated than this recent run that we have taken for granted.

  84. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 10:52 am

    In “09″ we watched the Yankee Hierarchy dismiss guys like Matsui and Damon with the proclamation, “We want to get younger”, and “We want guys that are Not solely DH’s”. We watched and heard the same thing when Ibanez was allowed to walk last offseason. Yet, where are the Yankees 4 years later, and just how does Hafner qualify for the 25 man with the above edict in mind? As a side bar, Ibanez currently has 18 HR’s, and Hafner continues to shake his head while trudging back to the dugout, better than he swings his bat.

  85. sunny615 July 1st, 2013 at 10:54 am

    one can only hope.

  86. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 10:58 am

    I do Not want to hear ANYTHING about the CBA or AAV. THAT, is a shell game being played by Hal. This is “Pretty Woman” being rewritten as a sports flick. Hal is busting down The Greatest Sports Franchise of All Time, and lining his pockets as a result. “Show Me The Money”, is what Hal exclaims daily as he climbs outta the sack.

  87. bruceb July 1st, 2013 at 10:59 am

    And to think I didn’t even include Youkilis in the list of Cashman “blunders.”

  88. mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:59 am

    “Show Me The Money”, is what Hal exclaims daily as he climbs outta the sack.
    ===================
    then he is naive and a poor businessman to boot.

  89. G. Love July 1st, 2013 at 11:02 am

    This isn’t going to be soul crushing. If the plan is dumpster diving and players DFA’d by other teams while Hal crosses off the days for Arod & Tex to be off the payroll, fans will disappear.

    There’s a contract between fans and a team and part of it is you try your best every year.

    If the plan is to fool us with names like Vernon Wells and Kevin Youkilis while counting down days of one bad contract that is on the Yankees (Arod) and the other on a player who just shriveled into a platoon guy after one season (Tex) then the Mets should get ready for some defections.

    Those “Legends” seats will be worth about $50 under the current regime and the way they are “managing” this team and it’s long term prospects.

    And don’t give me the answers are on the farm. We don’t have Miguel Cabrera on our farm. We don’t even have Melky Cabrera.

    I still believe the return of Tex killed the magic this team had. They were clearly playing above their heads, but the reintroduction of him and his “I’m a power guy” nonsense has been the turning point of this season.

  90. Jerkface July 1st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I do Not want to hear ANYTHING about the CBA or AAV.

    Earmuffs, Donnybrook!

    (1) General Rule
    “Salary” shall mean the value of the total compensation (cash or
    otherwise) paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform
    Player’s Contract, including any guarantee by the Club of payments
    by third parties, for a particular championship season. Salary shall
    include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such
    as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists,
    and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments. Consistent
    with the rules set out below, all compensation paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be attributable to the Contract Year(s) in which the Player is required under the Contract to render services to a Club as a baseball player, regardless
    of how the compensation is characterized under the Contract.

    (2) Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts
    A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1)
    championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to
    have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual
    Value” of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by
    operation of Section E(4) below). “Average Annual Value” shall be
    calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guaranteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other
    payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to
    a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c)
    any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed
    to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall
    be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years.

    See, here we have Salary which means money paid to the player, but then the definition for multi year contracts changes Salary in that specific case to instead mean the AAV of the base salary + signing bonus blah blah blah. So you have a thing which is specifically immutable except for when an extension is signed.

  91. Jerkface July 1st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Basically, I don’t think MLB is going to help out the Yankees if their expensive player is suspended.

  92. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    I’ll pass on the earmuffs and crank up ELO’s “Showdown” on the stereo. Just Yankee Fans and Hal going mano y mano.

  93. Mike in Harrisburg July 1st, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Someone pointed out yesterday or the day before that if the Orioles lost the same starters the Yankees have, they too would be struggling. That’s true of course, but in the O’s case that would mean serious, extensive injuries to a 21 year old (Machado), a 27 year old (Davis), a 31 year old (Hardy), a 27 year old (Wieters) and another 28 year old (Jones). You could forgive Baltimore for not planning for that.

    For the Yankees the only forgiveable, unforeseen injuries were to Granderson and Cervelli. The writing was on the wall for the rest, and has been for several seasons (Tex more performance related but still).

  94. blake July 1st, 2013 at 11:12 am

    “I still believe the return of Tex killed the magic this team had. They were clearly playing above their heads, but the reintroduction of him and his “I’m a power guy” nonsense has been the turning point of this season.”

    They did start to tank around the time he came back…..coincidence? Maybe…..I think him coming back kinda busted the magic Lyle Overbay bubble

  95. Mike in Harrisburg July 1st, 2013 at 11:14 am

    That was a question I raised at one of the live chats, whether Tex and Grandy’s returns would foul up the early season chemistry. Of course who’s to say whether it had just run its course, but I think the correlation between the dates is definitely there.

  96. Niblick July 1st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Girardi probably believes that he was a good ballplayer too. And that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are Yankee fans as well.

  97. G. Love July 1st, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Mike,

    And Cervelli was barely a sure thing going into this season. He was and still is a major question mark.

    This coping mechanism of comparing our injuries/underperformance to teams that are playing well having to go through them is thin at best.

    They walked into the season with a platoon 1b who can only hit LHP, a 3b who they benched in the post season off his 2nd hip surgery, a SS who would’ve been our leadoff hitter off a major ankle injury, a DH in Hafner who has been a shell of himself for years…the list goes on.

    And other teams have lost players this season for stretches and still handled it. The Red Sox had Ortiz on the DL. Ellsbury wasn’t hitting for a long time. Middlebrooks flamed out and has been injured. They lost David Ross. Stephen Drew is perpetually injured/underperforming. Victorino was on the DL a lot. Buchholtz is injured. They lost Hanrahan.

    They’ve rolled with the punches better than us because they had legitimate options in their system and made some nice signings.

    I don’t think they’ll hold off the O’s, but they’re in it for a spot despite dealing with injuries and disappointment.

    If the Yankees warm fuzzy blanket is going to be “we lost so many great players”, then you’re eating the bird seed right out of Cashman/Hal’s hand.

    That’s what they want. They don’t want accountability. They want a free pass for not doing the work/spending the money/having the brains to rebuild and reload at the same time.

  98. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Yea, the team ain’t hitting, which means Girardi has got to Force the action. We saw Billy Martin do just that with his broken bat A’s teams. Girardi even has a far superior bullpen to Billy’s A’s, meaning Girardi can take it easy on his SP’s arms. Situational hitting, putting runners in motion, bunting, etc needs to be employed. Girardi needs to Stop scratching his butt, and start scratching for runs. Kevin Long can take a long nap in the mean time.

  99. JimK July 1st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    I began following the Yankees in the late 60′s, when they were admittedly terrible; I see a great number of references to the 80′s Yankees as a time when they were equally inept, but the difference was despite Steinbrenner’s “lack of baseball knowledge” the Yankees had the most wins during the 80′s and had the current playoff formula been in place back then who knows if they would have appeared in more than 1 WS and 2 playoffs.
    His son Hal, on the other hand, seems to be running this team as if winning was a secondary priority.

  100. bruceb July 1st, 2013 at 11:21 am

    The Lyle Overbay bubble would have burst whether Tex had come back or not. There’s a reason players like Hafner, Overbay and Wells (not to mention Ben Francisco, Brennan Boesch, Reid Brignac, Dan Johnson, Bobby Wilson etc.) were available in the first place…their previous employers couldn’t wait to get rid of them.

  101. blake July 1st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    I think they should trade Cano, Hughes, Granderson, and Joba. Then sign Cano , Mcann, and KURODA this winter

  102. G. Love July 1st, 2013 at 11:28 am

    JimK,

    Those 80′s teams won a lot of games, but fell short of the division. Their pitching was never as good as what we have now.

    That said, you’re spot on. If there were 1 or 2 wild cards back then, Donnie ballgame would’ve been a playoff staple in the 80′s instead of a punchline to some.

    George was a bit of a madman in those years, but he tried. He brought the biggest free agents he could to NY hoping that would get it done.

    His son is nothing like him. Maybe that’s Hal’s badge of honor, but the way he’s put his philosophical business sense into running this team is going to kill it.

    What Hal doesn’t realize is the only title he’s won was won playing the game like his Dad did i.e. signing the best players on the market to supplement his team.

    We didn’t win in 2009 with fiscal restraint and smart business decisions. We won because we paid more than anyone for some players where we had holes and we still had guys who were playing with a lot of pride on the team.

    Plus, Arod was probably drugged up to his eyeballs that season and was a force.

  103. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Trading Cano, and Then re-signing him for $25 Mill for 7 yrs, is simply climbing back into the hole you just crawled out of. NOPE

  104. Jerkface July 1st, 2013 at 11:34 am

    They should trade Joba and bring Dellin up to replace him to see what he got for 2014.

  105. G. Love July 1st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    blake,

    I think any team dealing for Cano may ask for a window to do an extension.

    I also think there’s zero chance they’ll do an under the table agreement that he comes back as a free agent.

    Once he’s gone, he’s gone.

    And I’m starting to think he’s gone because the owners aren’t going to pay him top dollar if he isn’t putting this team on his back during this stretch. It’s not fair to Cano. The team is awful around him. But I can see them questioning investing in him based on what’s happening this season.

  106. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    You wanna get something to help This season, your gonna have to dip into the Minors. The flavor of the month is currently Murphy.

  107. Chambliss July 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    This team is held together with duct tape and band aids, and those items are starting to fail. It was fun when Wells, Overbay and Hafner were hitting, but it is painful to watch this group now that they are not.

    The Yankees shelled out big bucks for A-Rod, Tex, CC and AJ and it got them a title in 2009. Now they are stuck with some really bad contracts. They should see if the Dodgers want A-Rod, Cano and Tex. It worked for the Red Sox. OK-that will never happen.

    Who knows what will happen. Maybe A-Rod and Jeter will come back and be productive. It is not likely to happen, but it could.

    They should DFA Hafner. I would rather see just about anyone getting his at-bats. Same for Vernon Wells. I think that they need to keep Overbay because he plays good D, and he still runs into one every once in a while.

    If they are 10 games out by the All Star break, it is going to be a long summer.

  108. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Cano simply is Not a leader. That kinda coin, for that length of time, should be reserved for Leaders.

  109. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Dodgers are pretty crowded in the OF. Maybe some of our freight going their way, and Kemp coming back this way.

  110. blake July 1st, 2013 at 11:46 am

    “I think any team dealing for Cano may ask for a window to do an extension.”

    They might but that doesn’t mean he’d sign…..I think he’s going to free agency

  111. blake July 1st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    “I also think there’s zero chance they’ll do an under the table agreement that he comes back as a free agent.

    Once he’s gone, he’s gone.”

    Probably not but if they are smart they’ll try….. I fully am expect them to do nothing and blame 2013 on injures then give Cano a terrible contract

  112. pkyankfan69 July 1st, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Even at just a 1/2 year of Cano would bring back a pretty penny from a team in the right situation… Remember it’s not just Cano we are trading, it’s Cano + Sandwich pick.

    I think we could get Tyler Skaggs + Adam Eaton OR Addison Russell + Matthew Olson + B Prospect

  113. pkyankfan69 July 1st, 2013 at 11:55 am

    I fully am expect them to do nothing and blame 2013 on injures then give Cano a terrible contract
    —————
    Yup, unfortunately I’d say there is a 90% chance it plays out like this.

  114. Against All Odds July 1st, 2013 at 11:58 am

    They aren’t going to out the season away in July folks.

  115. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    mick July 1st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Shame, you have the right to ignore me, of course.
    Is it something I said or the way I said it?
    I realize people don’t like to be challenged here…

    —————-

    How about you relax buddy, I had a meeting I wasn’t ignoring you. Smh.

  116. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Why do you find that funny Shame?

    ———————

    I found it funny because they were talking about what a distraction Arod has been and within 10 seconds basically said, not that the Yankees want him back, but that they are desperate for him to come back or should be. The irony amused me.

  117. JimK July 1st, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    GS Love

    If the 80′s divisions were broken up along the same lines as the 90′s the Yankees would have been in the playoffs from 1983-1987; they had 2 seasons where they won 90 games or more and failed to make the playoffs.

    PS: I was not a big fan of the playoff system when it began in 1969; but I have to admit it has made “pennant race”more entertaining.

  118. pkyankfan69 July 1st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    They aren’t going to out the season away in July folks.
    ———————————-
    They won’t but they should at the end of the month barring a miraculous turn around.

  119. Shame Spencer July 1st, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    blake July 1st, 2013 at 11:46 am

    “I think any team dealing for Cano may ask for a window to do an extension.”

    They might but that doesn’t mean he’d sign…..I think he’s going to free agency

    ——————-

    Right, which could sink the trade before it happens. I’m always convinced there are some conversations that go on in those window cases that we’re not privy to. I think the only way the window works with Cano is if you trade him to either LA or the Tigers or a team he’d actually want to sign with. If you try trading him to Miami or something it’s a no-go.

    If the Yanks want to deal Cano they’re basically in the same boat they’d be in with a guy with a no trade clause. They need to, in part anyway, make a deal that Cano wants.

  120. DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Currently, the Expanded inter-league play, with the DH issue in NL parks is a mess. If you play Fantasy Ball, you know what I mean

  121. pkyankfan69 July 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    If the Yanks want to deal Cano they’re basically in the same boat they’d be in with a guy with a no trade clause. They need to, in part anyway, make a deal that Cano wants.
    —————————
    Here I disagree… Obviously the Yanks won’t get full value for Cano as they would have if they traded him with a full year or 2 left on his contract but a 1/2 season of Cano + a sandwich pick (if that team loses him) to a real contending team could fetch a pretty nice haul. A contending team that thinks they have a WS contender this year that is weak at 2B (Oakland/Arizona) could give up a nice group of prospects to add Robbie to their playoff run. I could also see Detroit getting in the mix for Robbie… Cano/Miggy/Prince would be hella scary in the PS.

  122. JimK July 1st, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    DONNYBROOK July 1st, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    Currently, the Expanded inter-league play, with the DH issue in NL parks is a mess. If you play Fantasy Ball, you know what I mean

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