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Cano looking like an elite hitter again

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 02, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Robinson Cano

Sometimes it seems that Ichiro Suzuki just can’t help himself. If he’s paying someone a compliment, you can bet he’s trying to think of a way to turn it into a joke. For example, this was last night’s assessment of Robinson Cano.

“It’s unusual to have a guy with that kind of power be able to really cover that much of the plate and get hits,” Ichiro said. “If he can get a better personality, he’ll become a better player.”

Of course, Cano was all smiles last night. When this road trip started, he was hitting .229 with one extra base hit in his past 12 games. In his past four games, Cano’s hit .588 with three homers and a double.

“It’s impressive,” Andy Pettitte said, choosing not to make fun. “Especially when he starts it to right-center or center field in (Target Field). This ballpark plays pretty big, especially out there. Then to go opposite field, it’s impressive. He hit the ball well (last night). Swung the bat well. Hopefully he can keep it going. What a talent he is. It’s fun to watch him hit.”

Cano mentioned two changes…

Approach against lefties: “Before I was taking always one strike and then I was just going from there when they were pitching around. Now just get ready from the first pitch. Just take advantage of pitches over the plate.”

Using the whole field: “Not use the whole field, but just think more middle. Sometimes when I’m trying to go left field, it’s a breaking pitch and I just roll over. So I just say, you know what, I’m going to stay middle. And that’s what I’m doing.”

Reality is, the Yankees know how good Cano can be. As Chris Stewart put it: “He’s one of the best hitters in baseball when he’s feeling it.” And Cano’s been feeling it the past few days. These four games alone have been enough to raise his batting average from .276 to .293.

“He looks the same except he’s really swinging the bat well,” Joe Girardi said.

This depleted lineup needs its best hitter, and right now it has him.

“Sometimes you get on base and things can go from there,” Cano said. “Lately I’ve been getting on base and been getting men in scoring position and been doing my job. That’s what you want because I’m the third hitter on the team, so you want your fourth, fifth hitter and sixth to find you on base. If I get a chance to find one and get an RBI, then the guys behind me find me on base, and that’s what you want.”

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169 Responses to “Cano looking like an elite hitter again”

  1. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    I’m glad Robbie’s made adjustments – I’m still not giving him an 8 year deal.

  2. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Now would be a good time to trade him

  3. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    by the way – who would have guessed that Ichiro is the team’s resident funny man? I still love that he calls Jeter “Sanderson”

  4. Against All Odds July 2nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    I’m glad Robbie’s made adjustments – I’m still not giving him an 8 year deal.

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    Cano: How about seven Chip

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  5. bruceb July 2nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Good to see Robbie’s average up to .293. It should be well over .300 and, hopefully, it soon will be.

  6. G. Love July 2nd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Chip,

    The Mets owned NY during the mid-80?s. Completely owned it. That had a lot to do with attendance as well as people not wanting to go to the Bronx back then. That’s why George wanted NJ so bad. He knew the surrounding area at that time was a drawback to many fans.

  7. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    blake July 2nd, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Now would be a good time to trade him
    ————–

    Cano and Kuroda to the Nationals for Rendon, Jordan Zimmermann, Chris Marerro, Robbie Ray and AJ Cole

  8. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    repost

    champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    Amazing!

    Only here on this blog could a guy like Robbie be criticized after a game where he carried his team to a much needed win by totaling 11 bases in 5 PAs, crush 2 HRS ( 1 dead center, the other oppo ) off a LHP in Diamond which has been the major lament off many of his critics.

    The best part of it is that many of the same guys who complain about his lack of hustle probably only hustle themselves from the couch to the fridge to grab another cold one then maybe to the desktop to type out their “expert analysis” here on the blog.

    Speed is not and never will be a part of Robbie’s game. And for those who question his baseball IQ grab another straw. For instance a smart player wouldn’t get himself thrown out at 3rd trying to stretch a double into a triple to leadoff an inning down by a run….especially in the late innings of the game. The smart play there is to take the leadoff 2B and then expect your guys behind you to pick you up and push you across the plate.

    Gardy could have made it to 3rd on that play but Cano doesn’t have that kinda speed to risk it. By staying at second and not making the out there he set up what became the big inning where they took the lead for good.

  9. JimK July 2nd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    JimK July 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    G. Love
    Steinbrenner did not want to leave the Bronx, he used the “bad neighborhood” as a means to get the city to underwrite the renovation for Yankee Stadium;
    It was and still is not the most desirable location in the BX

  10. G. Love July 2nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    JimK,

    It was more of a pit back then in the 80′s though. That kept a lot of people away. That, and the Mets being like the Beatles in NY for a few seasons.

  11. JimK July 2nd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    G, but the threat to move to NJ was when Steinbrenner bought the team in the early 70′s

  12. MG July 2nd, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Baseball needs a unstated contract rule that all long term deals end no later than age 35.

    With all of the travel and the number of games it is becoming more and more unlikely that any elite player will still excel above that age-that’s just one of the things that make guys like Jeter, Mo, and Andy so special.

    The long term deals like Pujols’ are just insane and the Yankees potentially signing Cano to an 8-10 year deal are equally insane.

    I’m a big Robbie Cano fan and would have no problem with the Yankees giving him max dollars for 5 years but beyond that is crazy.

  13. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    MG July 2nd, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Baseball needs a unstated contract rule that all long term deals end no later than age 35.
    ———————————–

    That’s called collusion and is frowned upon by the Federal Government.

  14. Hans Davenport July 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Just reading the various trade rumors. They don’t stop this time of year. Until the deadline is past anyway. Braves/Giants interested in Chamberlain.

    Saw another that the Yankees were interested in Michael Morse or Kendrys Morales. Both of those guys have been injury cases. Maybe that sign on the Statue of Liberty should be over top of Yankee Stadium?

  15. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Chip

    That trade is ridiculous in real world baseball because the Nats would never give that up for 2 guys who are in effect 2 1/2 month rentals.

    Zimmerman is a better pitcher than Hiro and he’s more than 10 years younger.

    Robbie is the only guy you mentioned who is currently on a HOF career path.

    These are the Yanks not the A’s. Robbie will be re-signed to between 6-8 years as he should be. I’m sure the Yanks would like a shorter deal but the market will dictate where it goes. I say 7yrs with a vesting option year.

    I love how the same people that want to trade or let Robbie walk still lament not signing Matt Holliday to a 7yr deal. Robbie’s a better player, plays a premium position and is a fundamentally sounder hitter.

    If 4-5 years from now you have to move him off 2B he could play either 3B with his bat and arm or I bet continue to be an elite hitter as a DH ala Big Papi/ edgar Martinez at age 37-38.

    He will most likely finish the season with a stat line of .320-.330/40+ 2Bs/40HRS/110+ runs & rbis….yeah we’ll be a better team letting him go elsewhere.

  16. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    JimK July 2nd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    G, but the threat to move to NJ was when Steinbrenner bought the team in the early 70?s

    ——————

    I don’t think it was limited to just one decade.. he probably threatened on multiple occasions. I remember not too long ago the other NJ Governor Christie (Whitman) got into a jawing match with Rudy about it and I wasn’t even alive in the 70′s.

  17. Hans Davenport July 2nd, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Cano and Kuroda to the Nationals for Rendon, Jordan Zimmermann, Chris Marerro, Robbie Ray and AJ Cole

    You are then assuming Mike Rizzo is at least as big a fool as either Randy Levine or Brian Cashman, correct?

  18. Niblick July 2nd, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Chip – unless you’re Hal or Hank, then (1) an 8 year deal isn’t yours to give; and (2) you can’t makes trades like the stupid one you proposed.

  19. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Chip

    That trade is ridiculous in real world baseball because the Nats would never give that up for 2 guys who are in effect 2 1/2 month rentals.

    Zimmerman is a better pitcher than Hiro and he’s more than 10 years younger.

    Robbie is the only guy you mentioned who is currently on a HOF career path.

    These are the Yanks not the A’s. Robbie will be re-signed to between 6-8 years as he should be. I’m sure the Yanks would like a shorter deal but the market will dictate where it goes. I say 7yrs with a vesting option year.

    I love how the same people that want to trade or let Robbie walk still lament not signing Matt Holliday to a 7yr deal. Robbie’s a better player, plays a premium position and is a fundamentally sounder hitter.

    If 4-5 years from now you have to move him off 2B he could play either 3B with his bat and arm or I bet continue to be an elite hitter as a DH ala Big Papi/ edgar Martinez at age 37-38.

    He will most likely finish the season with a stat line of .320-.330/40+ 2Bs/40HRS/110+ runs & rbis….yeah we’ll be a better team letting him go elsewhere.
    ———————-

    I appreciate your optimism, however the last two players the Yankees signed to long term deals were Alex and Tex. Neither one is half way through their contracts and both are considered albatrosses.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

  20. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Niblick July 2nd, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Chip – unless you’re Hal or Hank, then (1) an 8 year deal isn’t yours to give; and (2) you can’t makes trades like the stupid one you proposed.
    ——————

    Half day at summer camp I see.

  21. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    And oh yeah he’s doing this playing with basically a replacement lineup. Robbie and the replacements….sounds like a garage band.

  22. Niblick July 2nd, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    The definition of stupidity is assuming that Robbie is the same as Arod or Tex.

  23. Niblick July 2nd, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Chip – yeah, they should send you back for the rest of the day.

  24. UpState July 2nd, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    International Signings:

    Is there a website that ranks the “Top 50″ or “Top 100″ with the team that signed them also listed ?

  25. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Robbie is not Alex and Tex.

    Alex’s body is breaking down because of PED use and abuse.

    Tex was never as sound a hitter as Robbie and so the comps don’t apply.

    Again I’m against 10 year contracts in theory as well but the dumber idea in my mind is to let 1 of the top 5 hitters in the sport walk away in his prime when you are maybe the richest franchise in sports.

  26. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Niblick July 2nd, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    The definition of stupidity is assuming that Robbie is the same as Arod or Tex.
    ——————–

    Find me the 6 – 10 year contract that has been given to a player in his 30s that has worked out well for the team.

  27. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Robbie is not Alex and Tex.

    Alex’s body is breaking down because of PED use and abuse.

    Tex was never as sound a hitter as Robbie and so the comps don’t apply.

    Again I’m against 10 year contracts in theory as well but the dumber idea in my mind is to let 1 of the top 5 hitters in the sport walk away in his prime when you are maybe the richest franchise in sports.
    ————————

    As I just said, find me one example of a contract like the one you’re talking about for Cano that has worked out for the team.

  28. Hans Davenport July 2nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    That trade is ridiculous in real world baseball because the Nats would never give that up for 2 guys who are in effect 2 1/2 month rentals.

    Plus it’s not like the Nationals need Cano for a drawing card. That stadium filled for the last weekend day game versus the Cards. Baltimore had a day game the same Wednesday. O’s drew 14 K that day and the Nationals 35K.

    The Nationals have farm system depth that the Yankees front office likely couldn’t dream of. They get the occasional FA dud like Werth. They rented Soriano for a couple of years. Right now on the roster they have 8 players that were either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round picks.

  29. Mike in Harrisburg July 2nd, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Honestly things couldn’t have worked out better for that franchise. They dwelled in Montreal long enough to accrue a healthy number of top picks and now they’re in a terrific park in a great baseball area with a committed management. The future is bright in DC.

  30. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    As I just said, find me one example of a contract like the one you’re talking about for Cano that has worked out for the team.
    ——————————————————

    Jeter. Jeet was compensated at the top of the market for his age 30-36 seasons and his production over that time overall never declined.

    Big Papi ages 30- present has been compensated at the top of the DH market and save for a couple of injury plagued seasons has produced as 1 of the top hitters in the game still.

  31. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Here, let me help:

    Alfonso Soriano – no
    Alex Rodriguez – no
    Mark Teixeira – no
    Albert Pujols – not yet and not looking good
    Carl Crawford – no (and he was 29)
    Jayson Werth – no

  32. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    @BenBadler

    A’s Sign No. 14 International Prospect Jesus Lopez For $950,000 http://bit.ly/162y0eZ

  33. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    As I just said, find me one example of a contract like the one you’re talking about for Cano that has worked out for the team.
    ——————————————————

    Jeter. Jeet was compensated at the top of the market for his age 30-36 seasons and his production over that time overall never declined.

    Big Papi ages 30- present has been compensated at the top of the DH market and save for a couple of injury plagued seasons has produced as 1 of the top hitters in the game still.
    ——————

    What?

    Derek Jeter signed his monster deal when he was 27. The only contract he signed in his 30s was this most recent one which was 3 years with an option.

    Ortiz has never had a contract longer than 4 years.

  34. Jorge Mexico July 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    From previous post:

    luis July 2nd, 2013 at 9:40 am
    It’s Gleiber Torres…

    =================================

    Gleiber Torres has just been signed by the Cubs for 1.7 millions

  35. Hans Davenport July 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg July 2nd, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    Honestly things couldn’t have worked out better for that franchise. They dwelled in Montreal long enough to accrue a healthy number of top picks and now they’re in a terrific park in a great baseball area with a committed management. The future is bright in DC.

    They’re patient with their young players too. Desmond the SS was a Montreal 3rd rounder that they kept in the system. He may never be Derek Jeter but he fields well, can steal some bases and his power keeps his OPS over .800. He’s impatient at the plate which is his major drawback.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock July 2nd, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Champ – “Robbie and the Replacements” is brilliant!

  37. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Champ,

    There are no instances of a player signing a long term deal after he turns 30 where it has worked out well for the team. Even the shorter deal that Josh Hamilton signed this past year with the Angels looks like a disaster.

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock July 2nd, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Should have extended Cano but “we don’t do extensions.” :roll:

  39. Mike in Harrisburg July 2nd, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    It’s doesn’t require collusion for teams to recognize long-term contracts that take you well past age 35 are just not working out. Whether it’s because of PEDs or not, the paradigm is shifting younger pretty radically.

    Given Cano’s tools and position I wouldn’t be opposed 7 years if the last several are low base and incentive-laden. Other than that though, pass. You have to pass. Let another team get hamstrung.

  40. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Some more failed contracts:

    Griffey Jr.
    Ryan Howard
    Chase Utley

    It’s a risky enough proposition to give a long term deal to a young player (Vernon Wells, Alex Rios) but giving it to a player turning 32 is just dumb. You’re paying him for 8 years, 6 of which will come when he is considered old in baseball parlance.

  41. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg July 2nd, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    It’s doesn’t require collusion for teams to recognize long-term contracts that take you well past age 35 are just not working out. Whether it’s because of PEDs or not, the paradigm is shifting younger pretty radically.

    Given Cano’s tools and position I wouldn’t be opposed 7 years if the last several are low base and incentive-laden. Other than that though, pass. You have to pass. Let another team get hamstrung.
    —————–

    You can’t have incentives for performance in MLB contracts.

  42. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Wasn’t Matt Holliday 30 when he signed the big deal with the Cardinals? That is looking pretty good ..

  43. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Cano can hit .400 the rest of the year and unless they get more help it won’t change a thing…..he will still become a free agent…..the Yankees still likely won’t be good enough to make the playoffs…..and they still could lose him for a draft pick.

    They should trade him now if he won’t sign an extension before the deadline.

  44. UpState July 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    We sign anyone recently from the International ranks ?

  45. Jerkface July 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Orioles traded some of their IFA money to the Cubs:

    @keithlaw 1m

    Orioles acquire Scott Feldman and Tony Clevenger from the Cubs for Jake Arrietta, Pedro Strop, and int’l bonus slots.

  46. Niblick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Who’s turning 32? Robbie’s 30, and won’t be 32 until the 2014 season is over. Idiot.

  47. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Wasn’t Matt Holliday 30 when he signed the big deal with the Cardinals? That is looking pretty good ..
    —————-

    Yes he was. There you go. The one exception to what I think we will agree is a pretty compelling argument – that long term deals are bad news when dealing with a player over 30.

  48. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Cano is raising his trade value.

  49. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    The issue isn’t contract signed the point is level of compensation vs levels of production through say ages 30-36/37.

    I could care less that Jeet signed his contract at age 27 it ran through age 36 and he performed to expectations.

    Same with Big Papi.

    Again I wouldn’t sign any player to a 10 year deal but I would accept Robbie on 8 years if thats what it takes and feel very good about his production for the initial 6 years.

    If I were the Yanks I’d offer 6 guaranteed with 2 vesting years making it potentially an 8 year deal.

  50. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Niblick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Who’s turning 32? Robbie’s 30, and won’t be 32 until the 2014 season is over. Idiot.
    —————-

    Does your mother know you’re on-line. I hit the two instead of the one…oh the horror!!!!

  51. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Cano is raising his trade value.
    ——————-

    They won’t trade him. They should trade him but they won’t. They’ll give him a qualifying offer and then lose him to the Nationals or Dodgers as a free agent. Or they’ll give him an awful contract and we get to go through watching yet another star fade into a hot mess as he ages.

  52. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    “Same with Big Papi.”

    That comparison is inapt:

    4 years/$52M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option

  53. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Chip

    We are now in a period of suboptimal Yankee decision-making. Luck is the only thing that can cure it.

  54. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    The issue isn’t contract signed the point is level of compensation vs levels of production through say ages 30-36/37.

    I could care less that Jeet signed his contract at age 27 it ran through age 36 and he performed to expectations.

    Same with Big Papi.

    Again I wouldn’t sign any player to a 10 year deal but I would accept Robbie on 8 years if thats what it takes and feel very good about his production for the initial 6 years.

    If I were the Yanks I’d offer 6 guaranteed with 2 vesting years making it potentially an 8 year deal.
    ——————————

    You would feel comfortable based on two players maintaining their production as they aged? Two out of how many thousands of ball players the last 5 years?

    That’s a hell of a gamble, especially given the number of holes on this roster and the fact that, for the first time, the team is going to adhere to a budget which means they can’t just gloss over their mistakes by adding other high priced/high profile free players.

  55. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    “Same with Big Papi.”

    That comparison is inapt:

    4 years/$52M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
    ———————

    He’s trying to say that the contract doesn’t matter – that Ortiz maintained his performance as he aged, why can’t Cano.

    The argument is slightly valid, but doesn’t discount the risk/reward difference between giving a player a 4 year deal and giving one an 8 – 10 year deal.

  56. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Cano’s deal won’t be a bad one if they don’t let it stop them from adding additional and necessary pieces… if they are going to just sign Cano and then be all ‘woe is me’ over the combined cost of CC, Arod, Tex and Cano then they just can’t sign him. It’s really that simple. They aren’t getting out from under any of those other deals…

    It really depends on how they envision the future of the franchise. If they’re on a budget, then be on a budget and act like you’re on a budget and make smart decisions relative to the budget. If they’re not on a budget then… buy Cano, a corner OFer, and a 3B!! :D

  57. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Chip

    We are now in a period of suboptimal Yankee decision-making. Luck is the only thing that can cure it.
    ———————

    The only thing working in favor of those fans who don’t want the Yankees to give Cano a dumb contract is the decline in ratings and attendance. If the Yankees don’t view Cano as a guy who drives the needle in terms of generating revenue they aren’t going to give him a contract that is based on the notion that he’s the face of the franchise.

  58. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    “He’s trying to say that the contract doesn’t matter – that Ortiz maintained his performance as he aged, why can’t Cano.

    The argument is slightly valid, but doesn’t discount the risk/reward difference between giving a player a 4 year deal and giving one an 8 – 10 year deal.”

    Oh.

    It’s meaningless really. You make decisions based on what is likely to happen, not what could happen.

  59. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Yes he was. There you go. The one exception to what I think we will agree is a pretty compelling argument – that long term deals are bad news when dealing with a player over 30.

    Yeah you are right but there have been SOME long term deals for >30 year old players that have worked out.

    Holliday
    Mussina
    Bonds
    Helton had a 9 year deal that he was pretty good for most of
    Beltre has a pretty big contract that he’s I think 3 years into and still going strong

    I’m sure I could list more if I spent more time on it..

    In general though, I agree, it’s usually not a good idea to sign players to long deals after they hit 30.

  60. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    “He’s trying to say that the contract doesn’t matter – that Ortiz maintained his performance as he aged, why can’t Cano.

    The argument is slightly valid, but doesn’t discount the risk/reward difference between giving a player a 4 year deal and giving one an 8 – 10 year deal.”

    Oh.

    It’s meaningless really. You make decisions based on what is likely to happen, not what could happen.
    ——————–

    Correct, and while there are a few examples of players who maintained a high level of performance into their late 30s there is a much larger pool of players who did not. If I was handing out contracts I would be more apt to look at that larger percentage before deciding where to put my resources.

  61. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Shame

    The only reason that Wells is on the team, let alone still plays, is probably because he makes $13m (and because Cashman is incapable of admitting a mistake).

    When a player makes $20+m a year, they are going to play somewhere, some place.

    That’s why I think money matters no matter what they spend.

  62. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Actually Holliday looks to be in decline at age 33 in the 4th year of his deal.

    On pace for 20 2Bs/ 24 HRs slugging .470ish

  63. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Yes he was. There you go. The one exception to what I think we will agree is a pretty compelling argument – that long term deals are bad news when dealing with a player over 30.

    Yeah you are right but there have been SOME long term deals for >30 year old players that have worked out.

    Holliday
    Mussina
    Bonds
    Helton had a 9 year deal that he was pretty good for most of
    Beltre has a pretty big contract that he’s I think 3 years into and still going strong

    I’m sure I could list more if I spent more time on it..

    In general though, I agree, it’s usually not a good idea to sign players to long deals after they hit 30.
    —————–

    I’m taking out Mussina and Bonds because pitchers are, I think, a different discussion entirely both good and bad and Bonds because…well we know why.

    Helton was 27 when he signed his 9 year contract.

    Beltre is a good example – I’ll put him with Holliday. Beltre’s former teammate – Ritchie Sexon goes into the other column though.

  64. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Holliday isn’t hitting LHP this year. He was awesome v. LHP last year. So we need a bigger sample, unlike Tex v. RHP, where we have a big one.

    v. LHP
    12: .408 .613 1.021
    13: .206 .329 .286 .615

  65. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    You are right, Bonds is the best player of all time, we can’t include him with mere mortals :)

    Helton’s deal was a 9 year extension that took effect in 2003, so I count that.

  66. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    You are right, Bonds is the best player of all time, we can’t include him with mere mortals
    ————————-

    *cough*steroid freak*cough*

  67. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    One thing about Bonds though, he did ‘roids better than everyone else.

  68. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    “Wasn’t Matt Holliday 30 when he signed the big deal with the Cardinals? That is looking pretty good ..
    —————-”

    Get Cano to sign for 7/120 and I’ll approve. Id actually approve of giving Cano whatever it took to sign him if Hal didnt have his budget.

    The problem with signing Cano is that he’s going to want to be paid for what he is now and has been…..he’s not going to be that player much longer IMO. Actually I think he’s already hit his peak and is just starting the downhill of his career…..he’s still an elite player…..the question is how many years of a multi year contract will be still be one?

  69. Jerkface July 2nd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Holliday was the same kind of lower quadrant elite player that Cano is, but signed a deal that was merely pretty hefty instead of ‘best in baseball’ big. 17 AAV, only 7 years or whatever. I’d take Cano for that.

  70. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Rich – Understandable but we really have no idea what the structure of the team will be by that point. You’d like to think that by the time Cano is in his last 2-3 years of the deal he’s only serving as a singular piece to a larger team dependent mostly on the production of other, younger players. I can’t let where he might play in 2021 make me crazy. If our system produces (big if, I know), guys like JR, Austin, Sanchez, Mason, Pineda etc are controlled until like 2017-20+.

  71. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I would keep Cano the rest of the season if 1) the Yankees were good enough to win a title 2) if he’d sign an extension for an appropriate amount given his age.

    I don’t see either of these things happening so Id trade him…..they could still sign him this winter if they wanted and then they’d have him plus the top prospect(s) he was traded for this year.

  72. UpState July 2nd, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I be rippin’ on roids….thank you !

    Barry Bonds

  73. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    If Cano would do 7/120 then you could live with it if he was good for 3 or 4 of it then fell off a cliff……at 8/200 or something it woukd be much harder to do that

  74. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Holliday was the same kind of lower quadrant elite player that Cano is, but signed a deal that was merely pretty hefty instead of ‘best in baseball’ big. 17 AAV, only 7 years or whatever. I’d take Cano for that.

    Sign me up for that ..

    Only difference is that Cano plays a more premium defensive position so I think he can command more money than Holliday.

  75. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    I think bonds would probably be the 2nd best hitter on the Yankees right now….

  76. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “Only difference is that Cano plays a more premium defensive position so I think he can command more money than Holliday.”

    Of course that’s the issue…..his camp is talking about Arod money which is crazy

  77. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Holliday was the same kind of lower quadrant elite player that Cano is, but signed a deal that was merely pretty hefty instead of ‘best in baseball’ big. 17 AAV, only 7 years or whatever. I’d take Cano for that.

    Sign me up for that ..

    Only difference is that Cano plays a more premium defensive position so I think he can command more money than Holliday.

    ———————

    Right. I think 7 for $120 is decent but why in the world Cano would sign that deal I do not know.

  78. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Shame

    After once being a big defender of Cashman’s in-house plan, I will now only believe that he can develop top young players, who are not relievers, after it happens.

  79. Chambliss July 2nd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    I think that the decision to ink Cano to a long term deal is impacted by the talent level of the guys around him. When the Yankees signed CC and AJ to expensive deals, they did so with a talented and healthy team around them. This approach paid off with a title in 2009. We can still question the sensibility of those deals, along with those given to A-Rod and Tex, from a long term perspective, but in the short run, they made sense in 2008. In other words, it might make sense to do the deal with the devil if you think you have a good shot at winning another ring or two in the next few years, but that seems so unlikely at this point that it does not seem to make sense to sign Cano long term. Doing so will only perpetuate the budget problem that exists today.

  80. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Wells is on the team and will continue to get rh at bats vs. LHP because the Yanks don’t have any other options and he’s had past success in that platoon. His salary is not the driver of his role.

    And as far as 2 out of however many thousands the flaw there is comparing Robbie who has established himself as an elite player to the thousands of average players whose careers basically end in their early 30′s.

    Cano’s 1 of the best in the best and the best of the best in most sports outproduce the league average guys in longevity as well.

    Like a Farve, Brady, Peyton in football….or a Jordan, Kobe, Stockton, Malone in basketball.

    BTW add Mauer to the short lists of 10yr deals looking pretty good so far.

  81. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Of course that’s the issue…..his camp is talking about Arod money which is crazy

    Yeah he also gets more hype than Holliday ever did simply due to playing in NYC.

    I think Cano will get 8 year $160 million, I don’t think I’d want the Yankees to sign that.

  82. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Shame

    After once being a big defender of Cashman’s in-house plan, I will now only believe that he can develop top young players, who are not relievers, after it happens.
    —————

    Well said.

    Give me John Hart!

  83. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “Wells is on the team and will continue to get rh at bats vs. LHP because the Yanks don’t have any other options and he’s had past success in that platoon. His salary is not the driver of his role.”

    If you want to call one season in the last three success, that’s your right, but I disagree:

    v. LHP

    2012: 227 .298 .373 .671
    2011: .284 .320 .531 .851
    2010: .195 .289 .354 .643

    Salary drives everything.

  84. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Of course that’s the issue…..his camp is talking about Arod money which is crazy

    Yeah he also gets more hype than Holliday ever did simply due to playing in NYC.

    I think Cano will get 8 year $160 million, I don’t think I’d want the Yankees to sign that.
    ——————–

    I think his AAV will be higher – around 23 – 25 mil/year but 8 years sounds about right.

    In which case I would much rather (as I have stated before) go out and get two or three players who slot into that same AAV total for fewer years.

    Some combination of:

    Choo
    Zobrist
    McCann would be just lovely.

  85. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Shame

    After once being a big defender of Cashman’s in-house plan, I will now only believe that he can develop top young players, who are not relievers, after it happens.
    —————

    Well said.

    Give me John Hart!

    —————

    Well if they can’t develop any players this team will be even more expensive than we could imagine so I say resign Cano and buy everyone else that you need too!!

  86. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Cano’s 1 of the best in the game and the best of the best in most sports……..

  87. Wave Your Hat July 2nd, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Cano is going to go for too much in this new era where the Yanks are checking their pocketbooks all the time. Trade him now and get a top prospect, which some team out there would pay for a three month Cano rental.

  88. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Cano has decline v. LHP two years in a row.

  89. Jerkface July 2nd, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Dodgers trade for Marmol & IFA money. The latter is probably the biggest deal in that trade, Dodgers really pushing IFA.

  90. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Hal should be fired.

  91. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Cano has more HRs than Choo and Zobrist combined…Robbie has historically crushed LHP as a LH hitter…last year was a down year and this year he was pressing a lil bit….sure made an adjustment last night…ask Diamond

  92. Wave Your Hat July 2nd, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    “Hal should be fired.”

    Nah, he should sell the team to a Russian plutocrat or hedge fund zillionaire.

  93. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    This year a down year too?

    Data matters more than speculative assumptions.

  94. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    “Nah, he should sell the team to a Russian plutocrat or hedge fund zillionaire.”

    I know it won’t happen, but the mayor NYC will be out of a job soon. His pockets are incredibly deep. Politics aside, he is as competent a manager as exists today. It’s hard for me to believe that he wouldn’t hire people with a track record of success.

  95. jacksquat July 2nd, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Arod 1-5: 3.7

  96. Nick in SF July 2nd, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    No Mets fans as Yankee owners, please.

  97. Wave Your Hat July 2nd, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    “It’s hard for me to believe that he wouldn’t hire people with a track record of success.”

    But he wouldn’t let you buy a large bag of popcorn with butter.

  98. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Cano has decline v. LHP two years in a row.
    ———————————————————-
    last season his LHB vs. LHP splits were .239/.309/.337/.646 with 6HRS in 243 at bats

    this season he’s LHB vs. LHP splits are .262/.331/.434/.765 with 6HRS in 122 at bats

    Although not as good as in his best seasons he’s trending up and his power #’s/HRs per AB are way up.

    If he has made an adjustment in his approach vs. LHP as he says then he may end up having his best season yet hitting vs. LHP…

    Perception vs. reality

  99. joeman July 2nd, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    would take Gattis or Jordan Schafer back for Joba

  100. Hans Davenport July 2nd, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Orioles acquire Scott Feldman and Tony Clevenger from the Cubs for Jake Arrietta, Pedro Strop, and int’l bonus slots.

    I think they meant to write Steve Clevenger.

  101. joeman July 2nd, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    WOW…now he’s King Cano again…trade him while his stock is up

  102. Hans Davenport July 2nd, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    One thing about Bonds though, he did ‘roids better than everyone else.

    He got the best steroids. No brown steroids for him.

  103. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    “last season his LHB vs. LHP splits were .239/.309/.337/.646 with 6HRS in 243 at bats

    this season he’s LHB vs. LHP splits are .262/.331/.434/.765 with 6HRS in 122 at bats

    Although not as good as in his best seasons he’s trending up and his power #’s/HRs per AB are way up.”

    Why do we want HR/AB up at the expense of everything else?

    “If he has made an adjustment in his approach vs. LHP as he says then he may end up having his best season yet hitting vs. LHP…

    Perception vs. reality”

    Your perception v. reality?

    Here’s the reality. For a team that has about $100m already committed , and is saying that they will be cutting payroll, it makes little sense to commit $20+m in excess of 5 years to a player over 30 with showing signs of a possible decline, playing a position at which many great players have declined as they reached their mid-30s.

  104. Jerkface July 2nd, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    He might have his best year yet? Based on what? He has like 4 seasons with an OPS over .850 vs LHB. Look at 2011: .314 .354 .525 .879. There is no way he is beating any of those seasons this year.

  105. Hans Davenport July 2nd, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    But he wouldn’t let you buy a large bag of popcorn with butter.

    Or any sort of super sized soda.

  106. Nick in SF July 2nd, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Cano’s trade value probably peaked after his second home run last night.

    A competent Gm would’ve pulled him off the field and finalized a deal for him right then, but were stuck with Brian Cashman, who left Cano on the field to flail away.

  107. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    If only that was Cashman’s sole failing……

  108. austinmac July 2nd, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    I read an article in the Times, I think about the 40% drop in Yes viewership, even after a slide over the last couple of years. They also noted a 6+% decline in attendance this year. The scary thing is the Yankees seem to think it is for lack of big named players. It seems to cause them to go for names even though they are past their prime.

  109. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I personally don’t have a problem with Hal’s directive to construct a playoff caliber roster next year under a $189MM salary cap.

    It will be a challenge with ARod’s situation but I think it’ll force the Yanks to go young and look within.

    I for 1 am enjoying seeing what Zoilo is bringing to the team, what Claiborne is doing with his opportunity. I think that Adams should rmain part of the plan because he’s a better player than he currently looks as he works through this slump.

    I’d like to see Dellin get a callup and a real look out of the ‘pen after the break…particularly if the Yanks do decide to trade Joba.

    Over the next season or two I’m looking forward to Pineda, Banuelos, JRam and DePaula joining the rotation mix and Slade, Tyler, Mason, Sanchez and Murphy coming up.

    If the Yanks FO is going to be forced to have faith in the kids because Hal’s tightening up the pursestrings then so be it! But the seeds of the next great yankees dynasty are being sewn as we speak.

    The core 4 only happened because “the Boss” was kicked out of the game and therefore wasn’t around to screw it up.

  110. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    ” It seems to cause them to go for names even though they are past their prime.”

    My guess is people would be excited to watch someone like Puig. If they think Wells, Youk, Hafner, even Ichiro drives ratings, they are more out of touch than I could have ever imagined. Actually, I don’t think they are that lost. I think they will come around.

  111. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    @LoneStarDugout: By my calculations, the Rangers have spent $4.45 million today. Their bonus pool was a little over $1.9 million. #rig

  112. Jerkface July 2nd, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    @LoneStarDugout: By my calculations, the Rangers have spent $4.45 million today. Their bonus pool was a little over $1.9 million. #rig

    Why do the Rangers do all the strategies I want the Yankees to do :x

  113. Jerkface July 2nd, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Baseball fans aren’t stupid enough to go gaga over the NAME vernon wells. Everyone knew he was trash, its not like he was secretly trash, his basic slash lines the past 2 years blew.

  114. Wave Your Hat July 2nd, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    There is no way the Yanks get a playoff caliber roster in the short run by going young and reducing the payroll under $189M.

  115. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    So if there is no international draft then you can’t lose picks for going over can you? Of course the Yankees won’t want to pay any fines so they’ll let the Rangers and Dodgers and cubs sign everybody

  116. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Jerkface

    in 2011 he had 100 more at bats and hit 2 more hrs and 10 more 2Bs than he currently has….he still has half a season left and he can easily heat up vs. LHP as evidenced last night and have 1 of his best seasons vs. lefties.

    Not guaranteeing it but not dispelling it either.

  117. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Wave Your Hat says:
    July 2, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    There is no way the Yanks get a playoff caliber roster in the short run by going young and reducing the payroll under $189M.

    Close to zero

  118. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I’m not sure how the Yankees expect to build this great farm system when they have to take th scraps in the draft and now internationally……if they aren’t gonna spend internationally then they are screwed

  119. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    $25M for Wells and Youk, but they can’t go a little over IFAs?

  120. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    @BNightengale: Arod arrives in Charleston, signs autographs and says I love South Carolina

    Lol

  121. blake July 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    @BenBadler: The Cubs have signed SS Gleyber Torres, the No. 2 international prospect. Baseball America’s full scouting report: http://t.co/FdHX0OfPEd

    We don’t need a SS or anything

  122. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    blake July 2nd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    So if there is no international draft then you can’t lose picks for going over can you? Of course the Yankees won’t want to pay any fines so they’ll let the Rangers and Dodgers and cubs sign everybody
    ————–

    The Yankees haven’t shied away from signing the young players who count against the IFA cap. They’ve stayed away from guys like Soler, Puig, Cespedes and Chapman who don’t. I still want the two Cubans. The OF and SS.

  123. Wave Your Hat July 2nd, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “I’m not sure how the Yankees expect to build this great farm system when they have to take th scraps in the draft”

    I predict that next year they get better than scraps in the draft.

  124. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    blake July 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    @BenBadler: The Cubs have signed SS Gleyber Torres, the No. 2 international prospect. Baseball America’s full scouting report: http://t.co/FdHX0OfPEd

    We don’t need a SS or anything
    —————

    They need a SS a lot sooner than it will take a 17 year old to develop. Go get Almadys Diaz – he’s 24, doesn’t count against the IFA cap and can be ready in 2 years not 5.

  125. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    The way the Yankees are being run, they should be pro-PED, or anything that can increase their aging rosters’ ability to find a fountain of youth.

  126. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 2nd, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “I’m not sure how the Yankees expect to build this great farm system when they have to take th scraps in the draft”

    I predict that next year they get better than scraps in the draft.
    —————

    Sad but true. Now if only they had good talent evaluators and player development people.

  127. champ809 July 2nd, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    The Yanks allotted signing bonus pool for the international FA’s is I think $ 1.8mil total as per the league.
    The Sox signed Delvar for $1.5 and I’m sure Torres got close to the same. As far as the league is concerned this proves the system will work as they want.

  128. austinmac July 2nd, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    The Rangers are trading for or giving money to other teams for extra pool money. Someone told Hal, even though they were international players, we were talking American dollars. He then declined to get involved in such risky foolishness.

  129. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    @Ourand_SBJ

    Cable’s top 3 shows for the second quarter? Not the NBA playoffs. Not the NHL playoffs. Not MLB. It’s 3 episodes of A&E’s Duck Dynasty.

  130. 86w183 July 2nd, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Yanks signed two top guys last year and they’ll sign one or two this year too.

    Keep in mind these guys are for the most part 16. the two most often mentioned with the Yankees are still 15.

    As far as I’m concerned it is insanity to throw multi-million dollar contracts at high school sophomores. Most of that money is going to be wasted. Still, since it’s the only system that exists I’d sign a guy or two every year…. and I’d almost certainly regret it.

    I’m more disappointed the Yanks don’t appear interested in signing Cuban defector Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez who could be a replacement for Kuroda or Pettitte in 2014.

  131. 86w183 July 2nd, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Shame —-

    Does that only count the first airing of that show?

    If so, the dumbing down of America has reached epidemic proportions.

  132. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Some combination of:

    Choo
    Zobrist
    McCann would be just lovely.

    Agreed but the feeling I get is that the Yankees will sign Cano and nobody else or, if they can’t get Cano, they will sign nobody. Get under 189 for a year then hope to compete again in 2015.

  133. Mike in Harrisburg July 2nd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    If a guy like Feldman nets IFA money and Arrieta & Strop, two cheap cost-controlled guys and in Arrieta’s case, quite a bit of upside, I like the potential for what Hughes could return. Let alone Kuroda.

  134. Against All Odds July 2nd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    ————————

    Yea ppl think if they don’t sign Cano they’ll just use the money on three guys but I think it would just be more 1 yr deals.

  135. Nick in SF July 2nd, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    And cut ticket prices by 1.5%, then add more bobblehead days.

  136. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    “As far as I’m concerned it is insanity to throw multi-million dollar contracts at high school sophomores.”

    Spending $25m on Youk and Wells is insanity, spending $4-6m on IFA ever year really isn’t.

    Spending money has been what they do best. When you have a payroll of $200m a year, spreading a little money in the hope of getting a big score is money well-spent.

  137. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    And cut ticket prices by 1.5%, then add more bobblehead days.

    And reduce beer prices by $1.50

  138. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    As far as I’m concerned it is insanity to throw multi-million dollar contracts at high school sophomores.

    How do you think the Yankees got Gary Sanchez, Jesus Montero, Robinson Cano, etc?

  139. 86w183 July 2nd, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    If the Yanks let everyone go and have everyone healthy here’s what 2014 looks like

    Ichiro 9
    Jeter 6
    Gardner 8
    A-rod 5
    Tex 3
    Almonte 7
    Wells/Boesch DH
    Cervelli/Murphy 2
    Adams/Joseph 4

    Nunez util

    Rotation — CC, Nova, Pineda, Phelps, Nuno

    Bullpen —- Robertson, Betances, Warren, Cabral, Kelly, Claiborne, Huff

    Not the worst team they’ve ever assembled, but not a post-season contender either

  140. Kerry July 2nd, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    From MLBTR:
    “The Yankees have signed Dominican shortstop Yonauris Rodriguez for $575K, according to Sanchez (on Twitter). BA noted that he’s one of the best defensive shortstop prospects in Latin America.”

  141. Mike in Harrisburg July 2nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Y-Rod!

  142. Nick in SF July 2nd, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Reduce beer prices? Now you’re talking crazy. Fans will need to drink a lot.

  143. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Reduce beer prices? Now you’re talking crazy. Fans will need to drink a lot.

    Oh I thought we were posting things the Yankees will never do

  144. Kerry July 2nd, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Video of Yonauris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik7rEX_JLgs

  145. Jerkface July 2nd, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    I hope Yo-Rod comes with his own peter gammons to pump up his lack of bat.

  146. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Cito and Yo-Rod. SS is different here (post-Jeter). :(

  147. 86w183 July 2nd, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Patrick —-

    Cano got about $ 100 K.

    Sanchez got $ 2.5 Mill and while he’s a helluva prospect he’s hitting .273 in A ball four years later.

    Montero got $ 1.6 Mill and was demoted back to the minors after hitting .208 with as many K as hits.

    Money well spent?

  148. austinmac July 2nd, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    This Rodriguez kid is the one described as good fielder and questionable hitter. They are said to be waiting on a CF named Molina who doesn’t turn 16 until early August.

  149. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Money very well spent.

  150. 86w183 July 2nd, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Look for the Yanks to add CF Leonardo Molina with the remaining $$$ in their IFA pool.

  151. austinmac July 2nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    For those wondering if the Yankees will exceed teh cap next year, I think how they approach the TD will tell us a lot. If they try to upgrade, but only for guys whose contracts are expiring, the cap still stands. That is why we hear of Morneau and the other older free agent types.

  152. Jerkface July 2nd, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Montero and Sanchez are clearly money well spent. One was a top prospect in baseball with considerable trade value and the other is also a top prospect with considerable trade value.

  153. Hassey July 2nd, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Yankees also just signed a 9 year old out of the Panamanian Little League…said to be willing to sign for just under $250k, great hitter, good glove, excellent colorer

  154. Hans Davenport July 2nd, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Yankees also just signed a 9 year old out of the Panamanian Little League…said to be willing to sign for just under $250k, great hitter, good glove, excellent colorer

    He can color code the binder.

  155. Patrick July 2nd, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Money well spent?

    You are joking right?

    Sanchez is 20 in high A, opsing over .800 as a catcher. He’s the consensus #1 prospect in the Yankee system.

    Montero was a top 3 prospect in all of baseball and was an incredibly valuable asset while on the team.

    Cano is a perennial all-star and possible future hall of famer.

    And you say it’s not worth spending money on international free agents. Please

    Hanley Ramirez, Miguel Cabrera, Carlos Gonzalez, Ubaldo Jimenez, Felix Hernandez, Starling Marte, Anibal Sanchez and so many others were signed as international free agents.

  156. austinmac July 2nd, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    It is obviously difficult to assess a 16 year old, but if you look at the WBC or the all star game, a heck of a lot of very good Dominicans, Venezuelan and other international players were signed at 16. It is a vital part of operations these days.

    That said, I haven’t a clue if the guys the Yankees are interested are good, bad or indifferent.

  157. Hassey July 2nd, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Hans – Really…give him safety scissors and he can re-do Giro’s whole system for him.

    I mean, isn;t it getting ridiculous when these kids are being lured away from their families by the almight dollar before they’ve even learned to pop their pimples?

  158. Jerkface July 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Many IFA prospects will bust, just like draft picks will bust, but the expensive ones are better bets than the not expensive ones, and you can’t get good young players without going the IFA or Draft route or trading your actual good major league players for prospects.

    So you have to suck it up and pay the price.

  159. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    “That said, I haven’t a clue if the guys the Yankees are interested are good, bad or indifferent.”

    Price is at least somewhat informative of value, right?

  160. austinmac July 2nd, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Rich,

    One would think price and consensus evaluations are the best bets. Of course, the Yankees can find non-hitting shortstops in the first round of the draft.

  161. Chip July 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    “That said, I haven’t a clue if the guys the Yankees are interested are good, bad or indifferent.”

    Price is at least somewhat informative of value, right?
    ———————-

    Alfonso Soriano and Vernon Wells both got huge contracts. Matt Bush was the first overall pick.

    Price can be deceiving.

  162. Triple Short of a Cycle July 2nd, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    “The Yankees have signed Dominican shortstop Yonauris Rodriguez for $575K, according to Sanchez (on Twitter). BA noted that he’s one of the best defensive shortstop prospects in Latin America.”

    ————————————————-

    He should fit in well with the rest of the guys on the team who can’t hit

  163. Mordot11 July 2nd, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    http://www.charlestonsportsrad.....10-am-espn

    If anyone wants to hear ARod play tonight check out the above link. According the Riverdogs it should work.

    Go Yanks!

  164. UpState July 2nd, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Kerry July 2nd, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    From MLBTR:
    “The Yankees have signed Dominican shortstop Yonauris Rodriguez for $575K, according to Sanchez (on Twitter). BA noted that he’s one of the best defensive shortstop prospects in Latin America.”
    ——————————————-

    Great – the Hispanic Reid Brignac…

  165. UpState July 2nd, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    …without the knockout wife/girlfriend !

  166. RayVT July 2nd, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    While arguing about salaries for players who are bcoming FA is somewhat worthwhile, it really doesn’t equate to a true earned value.

    Cano has been undervalued since he has been here with the Yanks. He literally earned his right to an extension. If the Yanks gave him 5 yrs at $25M/yr or 8 yrs @ $22M/yr what is the difference? It isn’t like the Yankee well is dry. Paying for value is what makes value.

    What the Yanks have done lately is to try to short everything & bring in non-earned valued players to get a boost somehow.

    Wells, Youk, Ichiro, & others in prior years are added now & bring the currentvalue down in a lot of ways. Don’t you think the league’s young FA see how the Yanks have treated their own stars lately. Posada, Jeter, Bernie, Mo, and also Swish, Martin, & even Andy P to a certain extent. People see when someone is CHEAP. If affects everything from potential FA to star players already on your team. Basically if you aren’t loyal to those that brought you here, then why should anyone else expect anything!

  167. Locke July 2nd, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    champ809

    “The best part of it is that many of the same guys who complain about his lack of hustle probably only hustle themselves from the couch to the fridge to grab another cold one then maybe to the desktop to type out their “expert analysis” here on the blog.”

    ————-

    hahah, this is one of the few things I’ve read on here that got to really laugh.

    Touche Champ.

  168. Hassey July 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    how old is the Orioles-Cubs trade? Arrieta, Feldman, Strop, etc

  169. UnKnown July 2nd, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Sad we don’t get to face Strop anymore.

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