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Postgame notes: “Whenever it happens, you’re kind of shocked”

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Chris Davis, Adam Jones, Nick Markakis

Seventy-five times. That’s how many saves Mariano Rivera has blown in his career, which is a pretty difficult number to wrap your head around. He’s always seemed automatic (and he has been for 637 career saves), but it’s days like today that remind you that he’s human.

“You don’t see it happen very often, that’s the bottom line,” Joe Girardi said after Sunday’s 2-1 loss to the Baltimore Orioles. “He’s been so good for us again this year. It’s only his second (blown save) in 31 chances, so he’s just been really, really good. Whenever it happens, you’re kind of shocked. That’s how good he is.”

Rivera gave up a two-run homer to Adam Jones with one out in the ninth to snap the Yankees’ six-game winning streak and end Hiroki Kuroda’s bid for his eighth win. Kuroda was outstanding in seven innings of work after having his start skipped on Friday due to a hip flexor issue, and Rivera seemed to be most disappointed in himself for letting Kuroda down.

“I wanted it to be more in. It didn’t get in enough,” Rivera said of the pitch that Jones hit out. “It’s too bad. Hiroki really pitched a tremendous game and he should have won a game like this.”

Mariano Rivera• Rivera has had one of his best seasons with 29 saves in his final year before retirement, but he didn’t appear to have his best stuff on a hot and steamy Sunday afternoon in the Bronx. In the at-bat before Jones homered, Rivera gave up a deep fly to Nick Markakis that just hooked foul around the right field pole before allowing a base-hit to put the tying run on. “You don’t think about it,” Rivera said. “Markakis, it was one swing. It was a strike – a long foul ball. In situations like that, you don’t think that stuff. I was trying to get a groundball, and he hit it too hard.”

• Kuroda showed today that he really should have received stronger consideration for the all-star team. He allowed just three hits and no walks while striking out four on 88 pitches, lowering his season ERA to 2.77. “I don’t think it’s wasted,” Girardi said of Kuroda’s effort. “I feel a lot better than if he would have given up seven runs, I can tell you that. It was good to see him get out there and throw extremely well. I thought his sinker was good and I thought his split was extremely good today.”

• The hip didn’t seem to bother Kuroda at all today, and he reiterated that after the game. “There were no concerns,” Kuroda said. “The reason I took that MRI was to make sure that I didn’t feel anything, and I’m not going to worry about anything. I think on the mound I was able to do that.”

• Kuroda said that he felt good on the mound, and seemed especially pleased with his splitter, which generated a lot of ugly swings. He took the blown save in stride and said that he felt for Rivera. “There are times like this for him, too,” he said. “There’s nothing you can do about it.”

• The Yankees scored their only run in the second on a sac fly from Eduardo Nunez, who now has three RBI in his first two games back from the disabled list. The run was set up by Zoilo Almonte’s 11-pitch at-bat, which resulted in a leadoff walk and was followed by a single from Lyle Overbay to put runners on the corners. They weren’t able to muster anymore offense after that and have now gone a season-high-tying five straight games without a home run. “We’ve dealt with it all year,” Girardi said. “We have a lot of injuries; that’s the bottom line. That’s what we’ve dealt with all year, or things would probably be a little bit different. We’ve done a pretty good job with it.”

• I saw some Twitter activity about Rivera’s decision to wear his socks high today, and he confirmed that he did it to support David Robertson’s campaign for the final spot on the AL all-star team. Robertson pitched a 1-2-3 eighth inning and looked very sharp. “I was trying to help Robby,” Rivera said. “He’s done a tremendous job, and if I can do something for him to be there, I’m going to do it. He deserves it. I didn’t really help him out today.”

• Will today’s outing mark the end of Rivera’s high sock look? “I’m not superstitious,” he said. “I can do it tomorrow or the next day, and it doesn’t bother me.”

• An update on Derek Jeter’s second rehab game today with Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre: He went 1 for 2 with a run scored and two walks as the DH. Another step in the right direction.

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467 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Whenever it happens, you’re kind of shocked””

  1. Tidrow July 7th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Why would the Yankees pick up Baltimore castoff Travis Ishikawa and automatically place him on the 25 man roster? The guy is a journeyman at best with an underwhelming resume as a major league player. Cashman can’t do better than that for a backup 1st baseman? Pathetic.

  2. Hans Davenport July 7th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Why would the Yankees pick up Baltimore castoff Travis Ishikawa and automatically place him on the 25 man roster? The guy is a journeyman at best with an underwhelming resume as a major league player. Cashman can’t do better than that for a backup 1st baseman? Pathetic.

    Would have hoped if he as going to get a 1st baseman he would be more useful in a platoon role. Isn’t Overbay’s OPS versus left handers sub .600?

  3. Barry July 7th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    I thought that was a minor league transaction

  4. jlyanks85 July 7th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    People wonder how we win with our offense, and I wonder about the orioles, how do they compete with that pitching staff? It is awful, and only looked good these last few days since they faced a crappy offense. Lets see what they do against a real offense this week against Texas.

  5. tomingeorgia July 7th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    When will they announce the last men to the ASG?

  6. jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
    tomingeorgia. My flight was called back to the gate and then cancelled…….Gardner is over rated here and he’s not a very good leadoff hitter. Sorry LGY and jacksquat, and I’m far from being a member of a hate club at all. Just an opinion , but he’s nowhere as good as Damon or Knoblach were .

    Well mostly it’s you and one or two others I’ve noticed with most of the negative comments about Gardner.

    He’s a CF, hits ok and defense is excellent. He doesn’t make much money. Second best player on the team. I just don’t get why he gets picked out of the others. He’s one of the last guys on the team I would complain about.

  7. Hans Davenport July 7th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Barry July 7th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    I thought that was a minor league transaction

    At this point it is. Mike Axisa started the speculation he would be added to the 25 man and Adams or Gonzalez be sent down. A couple of things about Travis Ishikawa: He was hitting to a .939 OPS at Norfolk AAA in 208 at bats when the Birds called him up.
    Two years ago at Fresno he played 34 games in LF/RF.

  8. jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Maybe Ishikawa will replace Gonzalez or Adams temporarily just so Overbay can get a day or two off.

  9. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    jacksquat…….Rich in NJ made a very compelling argument about how for the money Gardner was and still is a bargin……However that doesn’t make him a upper end outfielder or leadoff hitter….My comment was how his K’s are catching up to his hits and how that doesn’t translate into an effective leadoff hitter. Forger about how ineffective he is stealing bases …….As for LGY’s assertion that he’s one of the top 5 outfielders ??? Well take a look around baseball and every club or at least 70 % have one outfielder who’s better….Hell the LA Dodgers have 4 guys better. For me, I just don’t see him being as a good everyday ballplayer the way many here do. I might not be 100 % right but I doubt I’m 100 % wrong

  10. Hans Davenport July 7th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Well mostly it’s you and one or two others I’ve noticed with most of the negative comments about Gardner.

    He’s a CF, hits ok and defense is excellent. He doesn’t make much money. Second best player on the team. I just don’t get why he gets picked out of the others. He’s one of the last guys on the team I would complain about.

    This is the treatment Roy White used to get until the Yankees began to win in the 1970′s and people forgot he was even there.
    He was a fine LF, one of the best the Yankees had for years. Unfortunately for Roy he could not transport Jerry Kenney and the rest of those teams to the WS singlehandedly. Thurmon was a god, no one could complain about him so Roy took the heat from the fans.
    The very few really good players on a bad offense take the heat for the rest of the guys.
    Me I’ve always been lukewarm on Gardner offensively. I don’t think he utilizes his speed anywhere near the maximum. On base is above average but nothing to write home about and he’s an average bunter and average base stealer. I don’t focus on him I just don’ ever expect him to do much offensively.

  11. Hans Davenport July 7th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    Maybe Ishikawa will replace Gonzalez or Adams temporarily just so Overbay can get a day or two off.

    If he puts up a .939 OPS with the Yankees Lyle will get more then a couple of days off.

  12. ahrmonn July 7th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    “Another step in the right direction”

    Too bad it’s the first step to his *left* that’s an issue.

    Zing! G’night folks!

  13. fantasygame101 July 7th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Rivera has few clean innings this season than past yrs so he is just a mistake away from blowing a lead and loss a game.

  14. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Hans……Roy White was a far better ballplayer than Brett Gardner will ever be I believe. Roy was a good solid ballplayer who had a good career

  15. fantasygame101 July 7th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Canzler will be the next to be claimed then ishikawa will be dfa.

  16. mick July 7th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    ishikawa is here for 1 game to rest overbay b4 the break..
    they will get a RH 1B

  17. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    I said Gardner was one of the 5 best OFs in the American League this year.

    Which is why he should have been on the All Star Team.

    If you can name 5 better AL OFs so far this season, please do.

  18. tucker July 7th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Ishikawa is a stop gap to give Overbay a breather over the next week. With Nunez and Cruz, they have two shortstops so the AG becomes expendable. They will probably look for a RH corner bat who can play first — either the waiver wire or a trade.

    It just sort of shows how close the Yanks FO envisions the AL East race will be. They are willing to pick up a guy like Ishikawa for a game or two then likely dump him. Every game, every at bat counts. Not much margin for error.

  19. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    LGY…..I’m not going to get into a pissing match but just look at the club they played today, they have two guys better than Brett

  20. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    “When the offense stinks, you need your pitching to be almost perfect to win. Today the offense stank and the pitching was almost perfect until the 9th inning, when it wasn’t, so they lost.”

    I’m with Nick. The offense sucks.

    This offense is not good enough to win a post-season series, in fact maybe not even make it to the post-season.

    However the Pitching is good enough to go all the way.

    So we have to hope when the cavalry arrives, they are all we hope they are, dassit.

    Oh a little help from Cashjerk would be nice as well.

  21. fantasygame101 July 7th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    gonzalez probably will be the odd man out and will likely be dfa.

  22. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    2013 fWAR

    Gardner 2.6
    Jones 1.5
    Markakis 0.7

    bWAR

    Gardner 2.7
    Jones 1.8
    Markakis 0.7

  23. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    BTW….. Gardner 5th 6th 7th best outfielder doesn’t matter, he is not the problem.

    And he is plenty good enough to be our lead-off hitter.

  24. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Gardner’s offense has been a tick below Jones and superior to Markakis this season.

    He’s also much better defensively than either guy.

  25. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    War my ass..Both those guys are regarded as better ballplayers LGY, and you know this

  26. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    what did they get lucky the past 6 game winning streak? was that all smoke and mirrors and the offense playing over their heads?

    sore loser 2nd guessing negativity…love em when they win or at least keep it quiet, hate em when they lose and point at all the negative qualities…these are replacement players that have them 8 games over.

  27. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Why would I care what they are “regarded” as?

    Gardner has performed better on the stat sheet than both of them this season which is all that matters in this discussion.

  28. Hankflorida July 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Unfortunately, injuries have voided the Yankees home run punch, and as Ken Singleton said, this team has to keep the chain moving. Yesterday, they produced eleven singles and succeeded, and today, the machine broke down as the opportunities came with two outs. Just Pitching and defense has never won for this team in the house that Ruth built with the short right field porch, and Hal better take that into consideration when he puts together his team for next year.

  29. jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    btw, what was that little shoulder tap thing Jones did as he crossed home plate for the home run?

  30. luis July 7th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Good evening,

    Cashjerk??? I like it Tar!!! Along with our “Offensive Offense” coined by Yankee Trader… This are the two “qualifiers” that would describe how I feel.

    Please Nick… Don’t get mad, I am just joking ;)

  31. j9d July 7th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Agree with LGA and Tar. Gardner is a very good player who had a bad day today at the plate. He is the least of the Yankees problems.

  32. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Mick

    How many extra base hits have they got over the last two days? Get your head out of your so called positive a@@.

    The offense in it’s current state sucks.

  33. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    This game was a win. Offense schmoffense, 100:1 that won’t happen again to Mo.
    The formula was there and we win that game 99 of 100 times.

  34. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    How many extra base hits have they got over the last two days? Get your head out of your so called positive a@@.
    ==========
    go have another beer loser

  35. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    btw you are allowed to say ass and is that your email address

  36. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    This offense needs perfection for the pitching staff, thats not going to happen.

    The pitching staff however, is plenty good enough if the Offense would hold up their end.

  37. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    The offense in it’s current state sucks.
    ==================
    current is not permanent be thankful for what they have given

  38. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    spoiled yankee fan

  39. Frankg July 7th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    I’m not that big on Gardner, too. As a lead-off hitter his OBP is only .332 and he’s been caught stealing 6 out of 17 tries. He’s streaky hitter and is unproductive too much to be a lead-off hitter.

  40. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Jeter will be back shortly and be the leadoff hitter, let’s not get our panties in a twist.

  41. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Just what every lineup craves, a .270 Punch & Judy hitter who’s going to whiff 140-150 times this season. And by the way, what stats are you looking at LGY ???? Even if you want to toss aside everyone’s career numbers, Gardner doesn’t look better than either guy. You’re telling me you rather have Brett Gardner in you lineup than either Adams and or Markakis ??? Really !!

  42. I Am Winning July 7th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Actually, according to this years average, Mo will get the save every 29 times out of 31, not the 99 out of 100 that you claim.

  43. luis July 7th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Ok…. I don’t think spoiled would be the correct term… Frustrated? yes…. It is very frustrating to see the team in it’s current state… Balance wins, a team based on pitching and defense hardly ever wins in the end… It is a pity that in the 00′s we had the offense, but not the pitching…Now we have the pitching, but not the offense to go along with it… Frustrating, especially if you take in to account that it could have avoided to a degree.

  44. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    this streak and the next 7 games have proven this thing will not be decided in July.
    We will be at full strength the final 2 months and win this thing.
    what’s wrong with a positive ass anyway?
    sure beats a negative ass….ass.

  45. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    The Yankee offense is

    13th out 15 in:

    AVG,SLG, OBP, OPS

    The reinforcements can’t come soon enough. Cash better hope its not too late.

  46. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    The Yankee offense is

    13th out 15 in:
    ==========
    you watch too much football

  47. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    I don’t think spoiled would be the correct term…
    ===================
    with all due respect presidente you are incorrect.
    yankee fans are spoiled and its only normal having won more than any other team ever.
    jeter says it: its not a success unless we win the whole thing.

  48. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Let’s make this as simple as possible

    2013 OPS+

    Gardner 110
    Jones 111
    Markakis 102

    And he’s significantly better in the OF than either guy.

    Hell, Gardner’s SLG is 30 points higher than Markakis. Who’s the Punch and Judy hitter in this scenario?

  49. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    “what’s wrong with a positive ass anyway?
    sure beats a negative ass….ass.”

    The problem with your positive ass is you like it so much, your always have your head up it.

    Back to finish my work…. so I can than start drinking that beer you mentioned.

  50. Jerkface July 7th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    .288 .336 .405 .740
    .290 .313 .473 .786
    .276 .335 .435 .771

    Which one is Gardner?

  51. luis July 7th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    I am not a sabermatrician… But stats don’t lie… Argue if you want that defensive metrics are flawed, I agree… Perception OTOH can be very deceiving… Maybe Gardner is not on the top 5 OFer of the league ( I doubt he is )… But he is not a fourth Ofer either… And in an injury depleted/ aging lineup, he has done a very good job considering…. If you take in to account the money he costs, he is very valuable.

  52. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    but keep dwelling on the “current ” team. the team that just reeled off 6 straight wins under duress of a “crap” offense. if they would have lost those 6 the negative reaction would be 10 fold. it will be this way the entire season no matter who comes back UNLESS they win it all. that is the barometer for the narrative spoiled fans proffer.

  53. luis July 7th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    The bottom one JF… the other two Jones and Markakis

  54. luis July 7th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Mick,

    Yes… there is plenty of spoiled fans… But I don’t think Tar is one of them

  55. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    so I can than start drinking that beer you mentioned.
    ==================
    don’t forget your bp meds.

  56. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    prez-

    most of you negative fans are spoiled fans.
    that is the root of the problem.

  57. luis July 7th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    You are wrong Mickster ;) in this instance… Being realistic and recognizing the flaws this team has is not being spoiled….

  58. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Cash better hope its not too late.
    ================
    Or its off with his head?

  59. luis July 7th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Oh, I am not negative!

  60. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Hmmm. Let’s see 2 outs in the 9th and the game is on the line, I’m certain that a club would much rather see Nick Markakis or Adam Jones walk to the plate than Brett Gardner. I’m done with this nonsense. I’m surprised in you LGY, because I’ve always felt that you had a good eye for the game beyond the distortion of 2nd and 3rd tier stats…..You’d be viewed as a fool if you suggested trading Gardner heads up for either player, and that’s the bottom line

  61. Frankg July 7th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    fantasygame101 July 7th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
    Canzler will be the next to be claimed then ishikawa will be dfa.

    Agree, if Canzler becomes available, if not Ishikawa stays. They need a ML first baseman to back up Overbay.

    Something must be wrong with Randy Ruiz at S/W. He is RH and has power and is hitting well.

  62. 86w183 July 7th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Gardner has the lowest batting average, but the three guys are virtually the same all things considered.

    Not getting into the hissing match because it’s silly. Gardner is one of only three every day players on the Yankees roster. Why is he the focus of moaning and groaning? Cuz of bad AB today?

    I’m as amused as anyone by Cashman’s dumpster diving, but Ishikawa is a LH hitter, so it makes absolutely no sense to me.

  63. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    You are wrong Mickster ;) in this instance…
    Being realistic and recognizing the flaws this team has is not being spoiled….
    =========================
    we heard the same stuff last season mr presidente, we always hear it when they lose or even losing during the course of a game, you have knowledge but are on the spoiled side like most yank fans myself included. unless they win it all there will be flaws to point out. it just gets boring and repetitive is all.

  64. Hans Davenport July 7th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
    Hans……Roy White was a far better ballplayer than Brett Gardner will ever be I believe. Roy was a good solid ballplayer who had a good career

    Offensively no doubt. The 121 OPS plus for his career says that. You want to read a compelling piece, see if you can find Bill James’s comparison, Roy White vs. Jim Rice. Interesting to say the least.

  65. Jesus Bustero July 7th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    30/30 GM’s would find an offer of Gardner for Adam Jones or for Markakis hysterical.

  66. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Something must be wrong with Randy Ruiz at S/W. He is RH and has power and is hitting well.
    ================
    he prolly can’t field. the vern experiment is over.

  67. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    The problem with your positive ass is you like it so much,
    =======================
    and you don’t like yours?
    your best work comes out of it…

  68. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    A few years back there was the foolish debate that Gardner was better than Jacoby Ellsbury and now the head numbing continues . Top 5 outfielder in the AL. ???

  69. 86w183 July 7th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    30/30 GM’s would find an offer of Gardner for Adam Jones or for Markakis hysterical.

    ********************************************************************

    Not necessarily. Markakis is making $ 15 M this year and $ 15 M next and Jones has $ 75 M guaranteed over the next five seasons.

    Gardner costs $ 2.85 M this year and is arbitration eligible next.

    A lot of GM’s might make either deal straight up to save a fortune. Yes, Jones and Markakis are better, but Brett Garner is a GREAT value for his salary.

  70. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    AT what point is value more important than quality ????

  71. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    We are talking about this season. What’s so difficult to understand here?

    Name 5 OFs in the AL who have performed better thus far THIS SEASON.

  72. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    While I’m here I’d also like to know if Bret still thinks Durant is better than LeBron.

  73. SoS July 7th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Could this move be the beginning of overbays end?

    Everyone knows gardner is a 4th outfielder not 5th.

  74. mick July 7th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    When will Durant become a Knick?

  75. 86w183 July 7th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    AT what point is value more important than quality ????

    ****************************************************

    In this day and age you must have a balance of both. An All-star team at every position and throughout the pitching staff would lead to a payroll in the $ 375 M range or something like that.

    CC, Kuroda and Cano are “Quality” and they cost about $ 53 Million.

    Gardner, Nova and Robertson are excellent “Value” players and cost just $ 6.5 Million

  76. CompassRosy July 7th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Hi Yankee fans ~
    I guess we’ll be at odds for Sunday Night Baseball tonight . . .

    But, here’s hoping my team will have your full rooting mojo for the next FOUR days ;-)
    You just never know, it may not just be “hoping against hope”.
    The M’ have The King and Kuma going in the first two games and, amazingly, just took back-to-back series in TEX and CIN
    http://compassrosy.com/2013/07.....-the-road/

    lemme hear some hearty “Go, M’s!!!” all the way out west :-)

  77. chicken_stanley July 7th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Just tuned in to a rerun of Duck Dynasty… turns out it was the Red Sox batting the top of the first

  78. blake July 7th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Smoked BBQ chicken breast:

    -Brined for 1 hr (8 cups of water, 1/4 cup salt, 1/4 sugar)

    - pat dry, light cost with olive oil. Light cover with Blues Hog brand rub.

    - set at 375 with some hickory and apple chips. 8 minutes on one side, flip, 8 minutes on other side. Check with digital thermometer until internal temp is 160. Then glaze with Blues Hog Tennesse Red sauce. When temp hits 165 pull them off and cover with foil.

    -wait 5-10 minutes and serve as is or with more sauce.

    So good it’ll make you slap Chris Stewarts’s momma

  79. Rick in San Fernando July 7th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    This loss is all my fault.

  80. tomingeorgia July 7th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Compass,
    After tonight’s game with the Sox, beat the tar out of them this week.

  81. Rick in San Fernando July 7th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Who are the M’s?

  82. blake July 7th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Or so good it’ll make you forget about the Yankees offense

  83. tomingeorgia July 7th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    blake,
    That egg is turning you into a maniac! Next step is making your own rub for any occasion. That bottled or canned stuff is crazy expensive, and you can do better yourself.

  84. blake July 7th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    I never get irritated really when Mo blows saves….. He’s not perfect and it’s gonna happen a few times in a season. The fact that he’s actually been nearlu perfect this year is one reason they are actually still in the race.

    They lost today primarily because they scored 1 run…..you are going to lose most all the time when you score 1 run. It jus so happened that the other team scored more than that today in the 9th and not some other inning

  85. blake July 7th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    July 7, 2013 at 8:36 pm
    blake,
    That egg is turning you into a maniac! Next step is making your own rub for any occasion. That bottled or canned stuff is crazy expensive, and you can do better yourself.

    It’s addictive. I make my own rubs a lot but I was in a hurry tonight and that one is pretty good.

    That sauce is awesome if you haven’t tried it….it’s the best store bought vinegar based I’ve tried

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Well if the Sux lose tonight, we will have made up a game. Better than nothing!

  87. tomingeorgia July 7th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    blake,
    Never seen the Blue Hog brand, I’ll try it when I do.

  88. Rick in San Fernando July 7th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Durant better than Lebron? :lol:

    Even Melo is better offensively than Durant, scoring title aside.

  89. blake July 7th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Tom,
    Its bottle just a mason jar with a really plain label…..easy to overlook.

  90. tomingeorgia July 7th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    blake,
    Just like Georgia Moon, a local (legal) moonshine. I’d notice it in the BBQ section, and I’ll ask if they distribute it around here.

  91. blake July 7th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Tom,

    Yea i don’t know ….I think it’s made in Missouri but the guy that makes it is from Tennessee. There are two kinds. The original is very thick and sweet…..I like it ok for chicken and stuff but it’s way too sweet for pork for me….the Tennessee red is the ticket for that…..but hey I’m from Carolina and believe no sauce that’s mostly ketchup should ever touch a pig unless its ribs

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    “I never get irritated really when Mo blows saves….. He’s not perfect and it’s gonna happen a few times in a season. The fact that he’s actually been nearlu perfect this year is one reason they are actually still in the race.

    They lost today primarily because they scored 1 run…..you are going to lose most all the time when you score 1 run. It jus so happened that the other team scored more than that today in the 9th and not some other inning”

    blake, I agree with just about all of your takes, but this one I don’t. A blown save is a blown save. I think the offense has definitely picked up the pace, but you know that this team has really dug down deep to try to keep things afloat. So if it happens that the offense has a tough go of it, then it’s up to the closer to get the job done. That’s the long and the short of it.

    So maybe the way to look at it is this. It happened. It’s over. The offense has bailed out the pitching a lot lately, so today they scored one run. Big deal. It’s going to happen, just like blow saves are going to happen. But the fact of the matter is that Mo let the game go, nobody else. The Yankees took a win into the bottom of the 9th, albeit by one run.

  93. jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Pat M, the numbers don’t lie, even the numbers you like (I assume you dismiss WAR and like stuff like avg, obp, slg, ops).

    Also shouldn’t compare Gardner to Markakis or any other corner outfielder. He a centerfielder. But he’s outhitting Markakis anyway. ;)

  94. chicken_stanley July 7th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Blake/Tom – I thought this blog might help keep my mind off food… time to order delivery… again! :)

  95. mick July 7th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    some act like no team has ever won a 1-0 game.
    how could this one loss outweigh the past 6 wins?
    if this isn’t negative , what is?
    chalk it up…

  96. blake July 7th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    A blown save is a blown save yea…..but Mo converts most of the time.

    My point is that you’re just gonna lose most games where you score 1 run…..and you’re gonna win most games that Mo pitches.

  97. jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    chicken_stanley July 7th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
    Blake/Tom – I thought this blog might help keep my mind off food… time to order delivery… again!

    If you don’t want to think about food you may want to change your name. ;)

  98. blake July 7th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    “how could this one loss outweigh the past 6 wins?”

    It doesn’t…..today’s game changes nothing about this team but sweeping the Twins really doesn’t for me either. I still think they need a lot more offense if they are serious about doin something this year and that hasn’t changed since a week ago.

  99. chicken_stanley July 7th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Jacksquat- lol! Touche`

  100. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    I still think they need a lot more offense
    ==========================
    would jeter, arod and grandy be a difference maker?
    think of them as trade deadline pickups.

  101. pat July 7th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    YankeesPR
    Postgame roster move: Return RHP Michael Pineda from 60-day DL and option to @swbrailriders, transfer OF Curtis Granderson to 60-day DL

  102. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    jacksquat ….You better go back and look at their numbers, also Brett is whiffing at a 2 to one over Nick. This doesn’t even merit dialog

  103. jlyanks85 July 7th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Like I said earlier, this offense will lose us a lot more games the rest of this season, then mo will. So in order to fix that, they need guys to come off the dl and produce and make a trade for a bat better than what they have now.

  104. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    “would jeter, arod and grandy be a difference maker?
    think of them as trade deadline pickups.”

    They need them back plus more…JMO….I have no idea what Arod will be. If they go those three back healthy and producing and then added a least one more legit hitter then maybe….

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    “some act like no team has ever won a 1-0 game.
    how could this one loss outweigh the past 6 wins?
    if this isn’t negative , what is?
    chalk it up…”

    1-0 games are probably the most exciting/nerve wracking in baseball. That’s real baseball, with a pitcher’s duel all the way. If you’re looking for a lot of scoring, maybe football’s your game.

    Chalk it up, is right. But for some reason, it’s easier to boo hoo all over the offense and call their six games before that the aberration.

    :roll:

  106. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    why won’t they get another bat at the deadline?
    they always do.
    all we are talking about is a RH1B.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    “Like I said earlier, this offense will lose us a lot more games the rest of this season, then mo will. So in order to fix that, they need guys to come off the dl and produce and make a trade for a bat better than what they have now.”

    Yeah, don’t be fooled by the 6 games before this one loss.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Hey I’m not going to bother beyond this, with respect to this devastating, season-ending loss. Some posters need a built in babysitter to comfort them whenever things go off track. It ain’t me babe.

  109. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    1-0 games are probably the most exciting/nerve wracking in baseball.
    =====================
    if we can get credit for good pitching, why can’t the orioles?
    like andy yesterday, their starter bent but did not break

  110. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    “Chalk it up, is right. But for some reason, it’s easier to boo hoo all over the offense and call their six games before that the aberration.”

    It’s not boo hooing….it’s looking at the entire season and figuring that what the offense has been all year is probably more relevant and accurate than what it’s been for 6 games against bad pitchers….especially when 4 of them were against the yanks own personal punching bag from Minnesota……the Yanks against the Twins is a terrible gauge of how good they are…..they could probably suit up the river dogs and clobber them

  111. fantasygame101 July 7th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    morse and jaso will solve Yankees problem. a righty 1b/of and lefty catcher.

  112. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Anyways….I’ll take 2 of 3 against the Orioles anytime. They just have to keep hangin around and hope that Jeter and Arod can help and then hope Cashman actually does something at the deadline…..something smart I mean

  113. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    blake- how do you explain the 1st 2 months of the season then?

  114. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    mick says:
    July 7, 2013 at 9:09 pm
    blake- how do you explain the 1st 2 months of the season then?

    Unbelievable pitching and miracles happening….the offense has been bad all year….they have pitched extremely well (especially early) and they have probably have some good fortune as well

  115. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    one thing for sure is the NYY have one of the best and deepest staffs in the league and their hitting will get better.

    all the rest is just worry which is a form of negativity anyway you want to slice it.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Angels leading the Sux 1-0. But we know that it can’t be a successful or credible game with that score, especially since the Sux have the number one offense in the majors and the Angels are 25th in the majors in ERA. There’s NO WAY it can be a 1-0 game with the
    Angels taking it, right?

    If so, it’s probably time to trash the Sux offense.

    Oh wait…

  117. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Unbelievable pitching and miracles happening….the offense has been bad all year….they have pitched extremely well (especially early) and they have probably have some good fortune as wel
    =============
    so the additions of almonte and nunez haven’t had an effect on the hitting lately?
    just as hafner wells and overbay did the 1st 2 monnths? hardly miracles..

  118. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    The numbers don’t lie….the Yankees are the only team in the AL east that hasn’t scored 400 runs by now…..they have only 348….only the Mariners, Astros, White Sox and Royals have scored less

  119. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    The numbers don’t lie….the Yankees are the only team in the AL east that hasn’t scored 400 runs by now…..they have only 348….only the Mariners, Astros, White Sox and Royals have scored less
    ============
    The most important number being Wins…

  120. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    “so the additions of almonte and nunez haven’t had an effect on the hitting lately?
    just as hafner wells and overbay did the 1st 2 monnths? hardly miracles..”

    Marginal ones and it’s a really small sample….Hafner staying healthy this long and Overbay playing so well probably were minor miracles yea….

  121. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    A better offense will help them with the most important number ( wins) and currently they don’t have enough of those to win the division

  122. Madrugador July 7th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Blake:
    “then hope Cashman actually does something at the deadline…..something smart I mean”

    I don’t expect much from Cashman at the deadline unless he decides to unload Joba or Hughes and even then I am not sure they bring too much in return. The past few seasons have seen the addition of bench players that bolstered a productive line up. Without a highly productive line up, adding bench depth would not be helpful.

    Like Blake said, I hope Cashman doesn’t do something stupid.

  123. CompassRosy July 7th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    fantasygame101 July 7th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
    morse and jaso will solve Yankees problem. a righty 1b/of and lefty catcher.

    ~ ~ ~ ~

    Why would the A’s give up Jaso?

  124. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    microanalyze it to death but they are in a race, getting their best players back.
    instead of calling it luck and a miracle, why not praise the team?
    however they have managed to stay in the race should be credited not picked apart.
    you will get old before your time…

  125. tomingeorgia July 7th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    I always was taught the only numbers that count are wins and losses. Win however you can, this game, against whomever, then worry about tomorrow’s. That’s what Girardi and this team have been doing, even while more than decimated. Tough loss today, get’em tomorrow. That’s what we’re going to do.

  126. chicken_stanley July 7th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    My 2 cents on the Gardner debate:

    First, I’m a big Gardner fan but I have no illusions that he is a superstar. He’s an excellent oitfielder with a decent bat. Gardner is not a player you build a team around… rather he is a player that uses his skills to enhance the team. The fact that the core of the team has changed dramatically isn’t his fault. In fact, it appears to me that he has altered his approach to compensate. Examples include – being more aggressive at the plate which has probably increased his k’s and decreased his obp (he is normally among the league leaders in pitches per ab but seems much less patient this year), and running quite a bit less ( I’m not as concerned with his caught stealing % as I am the low number of steal attempts – he’s streaky on the bases just like at the plate).

    In summary, I yearn for a time when he can return to the “2nd” leadoff spot at 9 so he can play to his strengths.

  127. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    A better offense will help them with the most important number ( wins) and currently they don’t have enough of those to win the division
    =====================
    why talk about currently?
    you could be right but the current team but the regulars that come back are worth looking forward to.
    why wonder if they will be themselves, if they don’t , then complain.
    takes all the fun and fantasy out of it.

  128. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    you could be right but

    you could be right about

  129. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Is there an old timers version of baseball reference with different stats or something?

    Gardner has clearly been better than Markakis Pat.

  130. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Mick,
    You’re free to be as optimistic as you chose

  131. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    You’re free to be as optimistic as you chose
    ===================
    blake-why would you want to be pessimistic?

  132. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    July 7, 2013 at 9:28 pm
    You’re free to be as optimistic as you chose
    ===================
    blake-why would you want to be pessimistic?

    I wouldn’t say that….just callin it like I see it

  133. Madrugador July 7th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Pessimistic or realistic?

  134. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    gardner had his shot at leadoff like most wanted last year.
    when jeter gets back he will bat 1st and ichiro 2nd as they did the end of last year and the playoffs.
    cano 3rd.

    arod and grandy will hit 4 and 5.
    6 -7 and 8 will be some combo of Overbay almonte and stewart/cervelli
    gardy back to 9th.

    thats a possible circular lineup….

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    “if we can get credit for good pitching, why can’t the orioles?
    like andy yesterday, their starter bent but did not break”

    A thinking man’s comment.

  136. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    trish-yet if girardi said it he would get chastised.
    it’s easier that way.
    like rubbernecking a car wreck.

  137. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    2 extra base hits in three games against the O’s. 2 doubles on Friday that’s it.

    Against an Oriole’s pitching staff that is near the bottom of the league in every category.

    I can’t even remember the last HR they hit. I guess it was against the Twins?

    Jeter and Alex better hurry up the rehab process.

  138. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    i find it funny when positivity throws the negative conversation awry.
    shouldn’t it be the other way around?
    negative is always more interesting, why is that?

  139. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    the hits must of been timely yathink?
    the kind of hits that were cried for last year…

  140. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Pessimistic or realistic?
    ================
    realism can’t be optimistic?

  141. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    they win 6 straight and all that can be talked about is todays loss?
    why wasn’t there a chirp during the streak?
    not impressed it was the twins? those wins don’t count?

  142. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Jeter and Alex better hurry up the rehab process.
    =================
    you don’t think they can make the week without them?

  143. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    “if we can get credit for good pitching, why can’t the orioles?”

    I’ll tip my hat to King Felix or Verlander…..not Jason Hammel and his 5+ era.

  144. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    “realism can’t be optimistic?”

    Real is real..good and bad.

    Most years for Yankee fans real is good.

    For the last year or so, real means crappy offense. Cost us last year, and will this year too.

    Unless the cavalry saves us.

    It could happen, hell even if doesn’t I will just be happy to see Jeter and Alex back in uniform.

  145. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    mick, see, it’s easier for the average fan to go bottom line with the hackneyed thoughts and complaints than to actually take the time to think beyond them. As you said, the O’s pitcher, like Andy, may have bent, but he didn’t break. Hitting in 100+degrees, three days in a row, may actually result in hitter fatigue, as witnessed by the low score in today’s game. I think the jeter better hurry mantra is another one of those “easy to throw out there rather than actually think”.

    Selig is probably in the process of not counting tonight’s Angel’s game seeing that the Angels are now leading 2-0 and should not be seeing they are near the bottom of the league in offense and the Sux are number 1. That’s how it always works in baseball, right? Isn’t the saying that only teams with superior offense can win on any given day?

  146. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    “they win 6 straight and all that can be talked about is todays loss?
    why wasn’t there a chirp during the streak?”

    Wasn’t there like a 7 game losing streak right before the twinkles?

    You want to brag about beating up the Twins and the first two games of this series, have at it…I’m all ears.

  147. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    I think the jeter better hurry mantra is another one of those “easy to throw out there rather than actually think”.
    =============
    Thinking is not practical in today’s society where easy answers are what is called common sense.
    If everybody is of like mind things are more expedient.
    Instant gratification rules the day.

  148. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    I don’t think anyone is focused on today instead of the 6 game win streak because they are negative people.

    They are simply using today as another example of a half season’s worth of awful performance by the offense. And it should be obvious to anyone the awful offense is the primary reason they sit 5.5 games back of the Red Sox.

    Really, the “negative” thinkers are seeing the big picture, the season to date. Not one game or 6 games.

    Also, this strange Trisha-Mick alliance is making me uneasy.

  149. mick July 7th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Wasn’t there like a 7 game losing streak right before the twinkles?
    =======================
    and the chirpers were out in full throttle.
    even today’s “crucial” loss is not enough for the naysayers ball to re-commence.

  150. blake July 7th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Correct LGY

  151. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    LGY…..I understand that you and the Face want to focus just on the first 1/2 of this season which is fine. Now post their numbers for all to see.. From left to right , straight across starting with games, at bats, runs etc. I have no idea how you can make this argument. Hell Brett has twice as many whiffs just to start with…….Come on LGY, you’re way better than this

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    “I’ll tip my hat to King Felix or Verlander…..not Jason Hammel and his 5+ era.”

    Sometimes you have to tip your hat to the most unlikely pitchers. Even they are capable of having decent days and keeping hitters off balance.

  153. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    “mick, see, it’s easier for the average fan to go bottom line with the hackneyed thoughts and complaints than to actually take the time to think beyond them.”

    Oh please..like you and Mick are some sort of super fans.

    Get over your superiority complex, its just another thing that is not based in any kind of reality.

  154. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Isn’t the saying that only teams with superior offense can win on any given day?
    ===================
    the sabremetricians are spreading their word insidiously and its seeping into the layman vocabulary and they don’t even realize it.

    sort of a brainwashing….

  155. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I don’t think anyone is focused on today instead of the 6 game win streak because they are negative people.
    ================
    negative thought doesn’t make for negative people it just brings them together.

  156. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    “I think the jeter better hurry mantra is another one of those “easy to throw out there rather than actually think”.”

    Actually this is a case where I think its warranted. Unlike Hughes where the premature panic from the front office wasn’t necessary.

  157. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Get over your superiority complex, its just another thing that is not based in any kind of reality.
    ================
    Oh ok…all the chirping by the negative ones don’t have an air of superiority about them?
    we all agree and know better than the peasants who don’t agree with us and dare voice their opinions.
    you live in the bizarro world…

  158. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    We are focusing on this season because you took offense to my comment about Gardner being one of the 5 best AL OFs this season.

    The numbers have been posted several times. Any reasonable person with eyes and Internet access knows Gardner has been better than Markakis this season.

    And it’s not even particularly close to be honest.

  159. blake July 7th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Who are we arguing that Gardner is better or worse than?

  160. Hans Davenport July 7th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    If so, it’s probably time to trash the Sux offense.

    Were Boston trailing Jason Hammel and his 5+ ERA at a late juncture in the game I would say Red Sox fans should have a cause for concern. Especially if he were pitching as he did today. But tonight Boston is facing Jered Weaver who’s ERA is a substantial 1.5 runs less per game then “Ace” Hammel. Big difference in that respect.

  161. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    ” And it should be obvious to anyone the awful offense is the primary reason they sit 5.5 games back of the Red Sox. ”

    1. Only 4 games behind in the loss column
    2. Guess you were contemplating your navel when CC gave up a boatload of runs in a few of the games, same with Hughes, and of course Phelps’s 9 runs in 2+ innings had nothing to do with the Yanks sitting behind the Sux.
    3. You must have missed the lecture in law school when you were told that a good lawyer examines all possibilities.

    *************

    “Also, this strange Trisha-Mick alliance is making me uneasy.”

    mick absolutely had me the first time I noticed that he was not a one-dimensional thinker and actually shows a great capacity to look at things in a wholistic fashion and not fall prey knee jerking or linear thinking.

  162. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Also, this strange Trisha-Mick alliance is making me uneasy.
    ==================
    There are prolly more people here that agree with the Alliance than disagree.
    I can take a poll…

  163. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    “Oh ok…all the chirping by the negative ones don’t have an air of superiority about them?”

    We are talking about offensive numbers, you two are talking about how smart and positive you are and how dumb everybody else is.

    It’s exactly what I said it is, superiority complex.

  164. austinmac July 7th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    How is it negative to report he Yankees offense has been among the league’s worst? They have done remarkably well under those circumstances. They must improve the offense to make the playoffs. We can hope the returnees will make the difference.

    I do hope they don’t trade one of their better prospects for Michael Young or his type.

  165. blake July 7th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Either way Gardner isn’t a problem….he’s been their 2nd best player this year. The problem is that he’s their 2nd best player…..they need more good players

  166. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Especially if he were pitching as he did today. But tonight Boston is facing Jered Weaver who’s ERA is a substantial 1.5 runs less per game then “Ace” Hammel. Big difference in that respect.
    ====================
    yet we have had good success against weaver, go figure.

  167. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    We are talking about offensive numbers, you two are talking about how smart and positive you are and how dumb everybody else is.
    ========================
    get real. this attitude is prevalent every time the naysayers get together.

  168. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    “Get over your superiority complex, its just another thing that is not based in any kind of reality.”

    There was a time when your opinion actually mattered to me. But those days are long since gone. In my eyes, you’ve gone on a descent, not an ascent. But you do have company here, so I’m sure you feel protected.

    And while mick and I may not be any kind of super fans, we both witness the ability to think beyond the final score of any game. So in fact does austinmac, tomingeorgia, and others here. I’m taken by people who think, not people who react.

  169. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    mick absolutely had me the first time I noticed that he was not a one-dimensional thinker and actually shows a great capacity to look at things in a wholistic fashion and not fall prey knee jerking or linear thinking.

    ——–

    You must not know mick very well.

    You also know he’s been posting on this site for years right?

  170. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    We are talking about offensive numbers, you two are talking about how smart and positive you are and how dumb everybody else is.
    ========================
    get real. this attitude is prevalent every time the naysayers get together.

    =====================

    Real and realistic at the same time. Sorry to break it to you, but you are not a superior fan.

    You’re just mickstra :D

  171. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    You must not know mick very well.
    ============
    do you?

  172. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Real and realistic at the same time. Sorry to break it to you, but you are not a superior fan.
    ======================
    are you?

  173. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    “There are prolly more people here that agree with the Alliance than disagree”

    Agree. It’s just that the others act out their fear more often and more loudly so it just seems that there are more of them.

    ***********

    austin, I just gave you a shout out.

  174. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    ” I’m taken by people who think, not people who react.”

    Well what do your people think about the offense?

  175. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    You also know he’s been posting on this site for years right?
    ===============
    what does this even mean?

  176. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Agree. It’s just that the others act out their fear more often and more loudly so it just seems that there are more of them.
    ===============
    funny how a group of people who appear to be dissidents want to take over a board.

  177. Triple Short of a Cycle July 7th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    The Sox having an off night offensively against a pretty decent pitcher is equivalent to the Yanks being awful offensively all year long in Trisha land

  178. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Well what do your people think about the offense?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP4apO4dbhw?

  179. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    mick says:
    July 7, 2013 at 10:17 pm
    You also know he’s been posting on this site for years right?
    ===============
    what does this even mean?

    ——-

    That this “positive” personality is just your latest way to needle people.

    If Trisha really was this big thinker she would recognize this considering how much overlapping time you two have spent on this site for years now.

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    “You must not know mick very well.

    You also know he’s been posting on this site for years right?”

    LGY, not everyone is stuck in place. I’ve seen a lot of transformations on this blog, in both positive and negative directions. I’m not meaning to insult mick, but I find he is infinitely more tolerant, giving, and thoughtful (given to thinking things out) than he was when I first met him.

    Remember, at one point mick and I were pretty much mortal enemies (overstates the case, but hopefully you know what I mean.)

    An I have developed incredible respect for Randy. I’m sure you realize that he and I at one time could barely tolerate each other. It’s nice to grow and not get stuck in place.

  181. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    “funny how a group of people who appear to be dissidents want to take over a board.”

    No mick, don’t confuse people who talk about baseball in a realistic way, with you and your WCYF crew.

    You were in your glory as WCYF’s lapdog.

    Funny Trish must have had one of her “not paying attention moments” back than.

  182. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    That this “positive” personality is just your latest way to needle people.
    ==================
    nice try. some have it coming with their arrogant attitudes.

  183. Hans Davenport July 7th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    I do hope they don’t trade one of their better prospects for Michael Young or his type.

    There isn’t any reason to. With a healthy Alex and Jeter coming back after the break, any use the team would have for Young or a similar player would be gone. At that point I guess Adams and Gonzalez get sent back. It’s a shame they don’t bring up Ruiz to be the RH half of a 1B platoon. Like you, I fear who they would trade for an aging rental like Young.

  184. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    “That this “positive” personality is just your latest way to needle people.”

    Bingo

  185. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    wcyf ? i hardly paid attention, did he terrorize you or others i don’t remember.

  186. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    “Well what do your people think about the offense?”

    I don’t even know who “my people” are, so I don’t know there’s any unanimity of thought.

    **************

    “If Trisha really was this big thinker she would recognize this considering how much overlapping time you two have spent on this site for years now.”

    I’ve never said I’m a “big thinker.” But there is not a question that I take time to look at things rather than to knee jerk an answer to things.

  187. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    tar, you are paranoid, that’s your problem.
    it can be overcome with a little trust and drilling down as as people go.
    labeling is for insecure losers, but there is always hope.
    i think you have a kind heart…

  188. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    as far as people go

  189. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    “wcyf ? i hardly paid attention, did he terrorize you or others i don’t remember.”

    Oh you remember.

    The two of you certainly didn’t terrorize me. I laughed at how inept you two were.

    Now what you did to Betsy, that was a different story.

  190. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    I should have said what you did to Betsy and Trish……

  191. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    poor example as usual.
    again you are out of your league.
    sos for help but your crew as usual leaves you hanging…

  192. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    “Funny Trish must have had one of her “not paying attention moments” back than”

    I’ve already said that I think mick has grown as a person and that there was a time I wasn’t super impressed by him. But now I am.

    I also have a tendency to bond with people who don’t spend their forum time either trying to take shots at me or throw out sarcastic little digs at my expense. I find that stuff both trite and tiresome and actually says more about the people who do it than it does about me.

  193. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    like you tar, i call people, if they need to be called.
    i called trish and she stood up to it and grew.
    you are the same lackey you have always been and
    cannot stand alone…

  194. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    And I also believe in forgiveness. I’ve seen mick try to put out an olive branch here on more than one occasion only to be ignored or rebuffed. I cannot imagine rejecting anyone who would choose to make peace. Again, IMO speaks more to the rebuffers than it does the person extending the olive branch.

  195. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    usually this is where the silence sets in….

  196. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Does anybody know what blog site Betsy went to ???

  197. GregD July 7th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    My goodness…..

  198. Rick in San Fernando July 7th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Donna de Varona was an amazing Olympian.

  199. GregD July 7th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Really tough loss today…….

  200. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    My goodness…..
    ==========
    you shoulda brought home the win.

  201. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    “I also have a tendency to bond with people who don’t spend their forum time either trying to take shots at me or throw out sarcastic little digs at my expense.”

    Yet you “take shots” constantly at people for expressing their opinion on the offensive woes of this team. So what does that say about you?

    I am not “negative” because I am a negative person, it’s because I have been watching this game and this team for a long time. And right now ( offensively speaking) I do not like what I see. I can’t help it if you can’t see it or are too blinded by pom pom waving to see it.

  202. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Id like to know where Warning Track Power went?
    vacation form blog and paper?

  203. GregD July 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Mick—–I know……….well tomorrow night I will :)

  204. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Trisha

    You are getting played like you have many times before.

  205. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Mick—–I know……….well tomorrow night I will
    ===============
    this is all your fault.

  206. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    “Again, IMO speaks more to the rebuffers than it does the person extending the olive branch.”

    Like GB who saw through him…. and ignored him and ignored him and he constantly tried to needle and get under GB’s skin.

    So when you say a ‘rebuffed person” you mean like GB?

  207. GregD July 7th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    Mick——-never shied away from responsibility :)

  208. jlyanks85 July 7th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    Some of “the negative” comments are the truth though. The starting rotation and pen is good enough to succeed in the playoffs and win a World Series title. The major issue is the offense. We lost today, it’s one game it happens in a 162 game season. Mo will have a bad night from time to time.

    The problem that will not go away though is the lack of offense in this lineup. It badly needs to be fixed. We are tied with the O’s for the second wildcard (only .5 out because of one less win, but same losses). Yanks are doing this with the lineup they have now. If we had the red sox lineup we probably would be in first most likely.

    The yanks will survive this week with the lineup they have because the royals and twins stink and we should beat them. Beyond that though, they need to get Jeter, Grandy and yes even Arod back in the lineup and hope Cashman makes a smart move at the deadline to improve the lineup a bit more.

    This is not even about todays game, it’s about the entire season we have played so far, and the rest of the games we have this year. It will be very hard to win the division or hold on to a wildcard spot if we don’t improve the offense. What i’m saying here might be negative to some, but it is a fact.

  209. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    they won’t dare lose tomorrow as I will be present.

  210. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    “Yet you “take shots” constantly at people for expressing their opinion on the offensive woes of this team. So what does that say about you?”

    I wasn’t referring to baseball comments, dear, I was referring to things such as “Funny Trish must have had one of her “not paying attention moments” back than”

    Trite. I’m not threatened by anyone who talks about positivity like its a plague, nor by people who say things like “I can’t help it if you can’t see it or are too blinded by pom pom waving to see it.”

    Not everyone knows how to fight fairly, so I just basically blow off those who resort to nasty little personal digs.

  211. GregD July 7th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    they won’t dare lose tomorrow as I will be present.
    ——–
    Me too!

  212. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    This is not even about todays game, it’s about the entire season we have played so far, and the rest of the games we have this year. It will be very hard to win the division or hold on to a wildcard spot if we don’t improve the offense. What i’m saying here might be negative to some, but it is a fact.
    =====================
    But you see, you presented your case in such a way as not to demean others.
    This is not the case when the LoHud lunatic fringe comes to pontificate.

  213. Tar July 7th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    “so I just basically blow off those who resort to nasty little personal digs.”

    Which is what you do constantly.

    “You are getting played like you have many times before.”

    Again bingo. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink.

    Sorry to everybody for bringing the blog down with the usual non sense.

    Good night all.

  214. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    “You are getting played like you have many times before.”

    I do not believe I am getting played. And anyone who thinks wholistically can share my space any time.

    And if I have gotten played many times before, shame on the players for taking advantage of my rather trusting nature.

  215. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    the silence did set in.

  216. Rick in San Fernando July 7th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    If the blog is brought down by usual nonsense, why apologize?

  217. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    “so I just basically blow off those who resort to nasty little personal digs.”

    “Which is what you do constantly.”

    If only you could back up your continual accusations with examples. But you can’t. Because your preference is to throw out nasty comments and then run. I keep it general, you make it personal.

    “Sorry to everybody for bringing the blog down with the usual non sense.”

    If you believe that, here’s some land under water for you. Because you do it constantly, jumping in to other’s interactions with pointed comments. Oh well, do it up.

  218. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    mick, the greatest problem people are having is that you don’t let people get away with anything. I admire that you don’t, because there are some people who enjoy running roughshod over others with their really meanspirited attitudes. You are able to stand up to them. Good for you. You’re now like the Robin Hood of the forum.

  219. GregD July 7th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    I appreciate the different opinions here…..I also appreciate getting lots of info that I don’t get in other ways——

  220. Hans Davenport July 7th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Errol Flynn or Kevin Costner?

  221. Rick in San Fernando July 7th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Robin Hood stole from rich and gave to poor.

    MLB is like Robin Hood. They steal from the Yankees and give to the small market teams.

  222. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    “Errol Flynn or Kevin Costner?”

    :lol:

    Take your choice!

  223. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    trish if anything i’m just confrontational and it might not play well on this board ….

  224. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    “MLB is like Robin Hood. They steal from the Yankees and give to the small market teams.”

    Very good analogy!

  225. jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    jacksquat ….You better go back and look at their numbers, also Brett is whiffing at a 2 to one over Nick. This doesn’t even merit dialog

    (i’m only looking at this year)

    Gardner: .276/.335/.435/.771, ops+ 110, 86 games, 370 pa, 78 so (since you bought it up)

    Markakis: .288/.336/.405/.740, ops+ 102, 86 games, 384 pa, 40 so

    I don’t see much difference there offensively, Gardner has a higher ops+ (factors in park). Gardner is striking out more, but while I don’t like strikeouts, I don’t think they are as big a deal as some others, as long as it isn’t extreme.

  226. jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Of course when you factor in defense Gardner pulls way ahead.

  227. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    I appreciate the different opinions here…..I also appreciate getting lots of info that I don’t get in other ways——
    ===============
    if by this you get a different brand of honesty or just honesty at all…that isn’t readily available in the “real” world which has gone cyber btw…then i feel ya bro.

  228. Hans Davenport July 7th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    GregD July 7th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
    I appreciate the different opinions here…..I also appreciate getting lots of info that I don’t get in other ways——

    The best usage I get is for the daily team moves being made, progress reports, etc. Posting is fun on slow days.

  229. mick July 7th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    funny thing is….most of the stuff that goes on here isn’t really about baseball or the yankees.

  230. LGY July 7th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    You’re now like the Robin Hood of the forum.

    ———

    :lol:

    Dead

  231. GregD July 7th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Mick——people say what they think, I try to sort out the opinions from the facts but I also get a lot of data that I don’t get elsewhere —-like live reports about how a player is doing in Trenton……

  232. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Nick is hitting .293 just for an update. jacksquat, Gardner is not a good leadoff hitter and that’s what started this discussion, that and Face’s nonsense about Breet being one of the top 5 outfielders in the AL. Say What ???? A centerfielder who hit .270, whiffs 140 plus times and may hit 10 dingers ??? What’s happen to the bar for quality centerfielders ????

  233. mick July 7th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    it’s too bad that things can’t get resolved here with all the dialogue…

  234. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    “trish if anything i’m just confrontational and it might not play well on this board ….”

    But a lot of others are confrontational too and nobody gets down on those people.

  235. mick July 7th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    Pat M- Jeter will be hitting leadoff next week, that should shut up the ignorant. Gardy will hit 9th.

  236. mick July 7th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    But a lot of others are confrontational too and nobody gets down on those people.
    ==========================
    they are all clique members.

  237. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Sux just took the pipe.

    :)

    Now that should be a bonding moment.

  238. Jerkface July 7th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Trisha was always fine with the stalkerish, aggressive, and rude way Mick treated Betsy because Trisha did not like Betsy. The enemy of her enemy is her bestest friend. Oh and she is too busy not paying attention to anything to notice the years worth of trollish behavior which has now been shifted around to ‘agree with trisha’ because ‘talk back to trisha about passionate fans’ wore out its ability, so Mick had to change tactics.

  239. jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Brett is on pace for 41 doubles, 9 triples and 13 home runs. I think that’s pretty good for a CF who plays very good defense. The runs and rbi’s would be better with a better lineup.

    I’m not saying he is Bernie Williams…

  240. mick July 7th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    JF-what do i have to gain by all of this?

  241. jacksquat July 7th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    They may have Gardner stay at leadoff and Jeter 2nd, with Ichiro lower.

    Perhaps vs rhp Gardner 1 Jeter 2, vs lhp Jeter 1 Ichiro 2

    Ichiro still hitting .340 vs lhp.

  242. Jerkface July 7th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    JF-what do i have to gain by all of this?

    What any troll gains, their own amusement/attention.

  243. mick July 7th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo?

  244. Rich in NJ July 7th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    “I think that’s pretty good for a CF who plays very good defense.”

    It is.

  245. Pat M. July 7th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Gardner won’t sniff those numbers, but he will whiff 140 plus times

  246. Rich in NJ July 7th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    People have been dissing Gardner his entire career, but when healthy, he keeps producing.

  247. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    “Trisha was always fine with the stalkerish, aggressive, and rude way Mick treated Betsy because Trisha did not like Betsy. The enemy of her enemy is her bestest friend. Oh and she is too busy not paying attention to anything to notice the years worth of trollish behavior which has now been shifted around to ‘agree with trisha’ because ‘talk back to trisha about passionate fans’ wore out its ability, so Mick had to change tactics.”

    I didn’t dislike Betsy, I disliked her constant negativity and one note posting about Hughes.

    Your accusations are off the wall and your need to psychoanalyze me and put me into some circumscribed little box which has nothing to do with who I really am is so sad.

    Once again, you’re shooting an arrow and missing the mark, something you seem to do with great frequency here.

  248. Rick in San Fernando July 7th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    What is Jerkface blabbering about? Talk about being too invested in an online blog. It is not life and death, folks.

  249. Rick in San Fernando July 7th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    “Once again, you’re shooting an arrow and missing the mark, something you seem to do with great frequency here.”

    Is he Green Arrow before Green Arrow became Green Arrow?

  250. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    “People have been dissing Gardner his entire career, but when healthy, he keeps producing.”

    Sure seems that way to me.

  251. Against All Odds July 7th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Rick in San Fernando July 7th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
    What is Jerkface blabbering about? Talk about being too invested in an online blog. It is not life and death, folks.

    ——————–

    Aren’t we all invested in someway…..posting on a blog for multiple hours. Hell we all signed up and registered to Lohud.

  252. Jerkface July 8th, 2013 at 12:13 am

    I notice Trisha that you did not mention Mick’s treatment of Betsy in your response, which is telling. How you carry yourself on this blog is all the evidence anyone needs. You posted a love poem to a harasser, and you constantly reply to someone that has harassed you and continues to harass people on this very blog.

  253. luis July 8th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    I didn’t want to get involved in this… But I think there are a few remarks that bare mentioning:

    1) Tar is an outstanding poster that very seldom takes shots at people unless he is provoked or feels the need to defend another fellow poster… He has stood up for me quite a few times… He does it in a very respectful way… Sometimes he may be snarky, but usually with good reason.

    2) Being realistic about the team shortcomings doesn’t make a poster “Negative”… Critisizing those remarks through personal attacks is more “Negative” than pointing out the deficiencies the team has. if you want to debate the merits of an opinion, go ahead… But another is to question the character or motives for the posters opinion. That’s simply lame and shows the lack of arguments to counter said opinion.

    3) Some posters here claim to be on the receiving end of attacks, while in truth they are usually the ones provoking them by their constant snipes toward those posters they don’t agree with.

    4) My guess is that since they have very little to add to the conversation, they shift the discussion toward personal matters to stay relevant. ( I am still waiting the response for Tar’s question in relation to the offense )

    End of rant

  254. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    jerkface, what is telling is your heightened paranoia and putting everything under your own distorted microscope, per usual.

    Once again, you’ve analyzed something and come out with your usual half-baked, totally inaccurate assumption.

    You did not ask me what I thought about mick’s treatment of Betsy, you accused me of bonding with mick because I “didn’t like Betsy” – which is total bull.

    Unlike you and a few others here who apparently can site chapter and verse of what every poster has posted here since you’ve signed on, I don’t pay much attention to at least 90% of what goes on here. So therefore I’d gauge that you read “cover to cover” just about every post mick ever wrote to Betsy. I on the other hand remember bits and pieces since I never considered other peoples’ ongoing “interactions” either my business or worth my time.

    Instead of incorrectly analyzing everything about others here, why not just take stock of your own imperfections and deal with those rather than worrying about everyone else’s.

  255. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    “Being realistic about the team shortcomings doesn’t make a poster “Negative”… ”

    I’m not inclined to read much of this thread (watching more lightening than fireworks tired me out), but this is screamingly true.

    As I have said in the past, can anyone imagine someone being negative about the ’98 team?

    No one could do that with a straight face.

    This franchise became great again because they remembered the importance of developing talent, and they found the ability to do it. In addition to that, they self-scouted well, and were able to trade their inferior surplus to fill other needs.

    This ownership and GM have shown no ability to do that, except with relievers.

    So at least for me, watching a collection of other teams’ castoffs isn’t nearly as much fun as when there was a solid homegrown group of players to build around.

    It is probably unrealistic to expect that there will be another Jeter, Mo, Bernie, Pettitte and Po again in some of our life times, but that doesn’t mean that can’t develop really good players on a fairly regular basis.

  256. Jerkface July 8th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    Unlike you and a few others here who apparently can site chapter and verse of what every poster has posted here since you’ve signed on, I don’t pay much attention to at least 90% of what goes on here. So therefore I’d gauge that you read “cover to cover” just about every post mick ever wrote to Betsy. I on the other hand remember bits and pieces since I never considered other peoples’ ongoing “interactions” either my business or worth my time.

    Yes your ignorance as to what occurs here shows 100% in your posts and actions. You are best buds with someone who literally ran a person out of this board with constant harassment. And you conveniently ‘never read any of their interactions’.

    Very good, continue to make a fool of yourself!

  257. Jerkface July 8th, 2013 at 12:57 am

    And I got you pegged 100%. You were against Mick until he started buddying up to you, then you write him a love poem. You did the same thing with C R 9. And anyone else that takes a passing interest in ‘your side’ of any debate.

  258. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    Romine OBP of .182 – luis cruz .200 – disgrace to wear pinstripes.. thnx to our fantastic organization.. that has fallen apart and continues to since George stopped running things. He’d be ashamed of the entire org.. sctually hed never of allowed this to get do bad..

  259. luis July 8th, 2013 at 1:03 am

    Rich,

    Good post… Spot on

    Have a good night all

  260. sammiejohnson July 8th, 2013 at 1:09 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 7th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    “not everyone is stuck in place. I’ve seen a lot of transformations on this blog, in both positive and negative directions”

    _______________________________________________________

    Indeed, there have been many “transformations” on this blog. Maybe the biggest one was when Stone went whole hog and had the change all the way to “Carly”. Ouch! I will call that a negative. Perhaps he is part Swedish?

  261. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:10 am

    “conveniently”

    Oh stop with your baseless accusations would ya. Because I choose not to get involved in other peoples’ problems here, it’s now “conveniently” not reading interactions. I don’t spend all of my time here; there was a good chunk of time that I stopped coming here altogether and so certainly wasn’t paying attention to what was going on here; Betsy has returned to this forum on a number of occasions to post, so I don’t know about who was run off.

    I don’t believe for a minute that I’ve made a fool of myself because I only read what interests me here, when I do end up coming around. I just don’t find the posters here that compelling, though they may be otherwise nice people. I come here because I am a Yankee fan and this is a Yankee blog. I definitely don’t come here to be schooled by others. And I read little of what is posted here. As has been pointed out about me in a very juvenile and nasty way, I don’t get into a lot of the moralizing here because I don’t find playing armchair GM that tantalizing. So I come here to cheer – and give my opinions on certain things, when certain things interest me. My opinion. And I don’t care who agrees and who doesn’t agree. After all, nobody here plays for the Yankees or is part of the organization. Nothing more than a compilation of fans with varying opinions.

    Stop judging me. You don’t know me well enough to do it. And when you try your hand at it, you end up getting it wrong every time.

  262. Pat M. July 8th, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Well, things here seem to have taken a different turn tonight, one that I wasn’t expecting. ..Maybe a better topic tomorrow might be about what type of trade the club should make. without getting all righteous and splintering of the blog. Place is moving towards the dark side …..Good Morning Doreen and The Breakfast Club

  263. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 1:16 am

    luis’s #3 is so true.. the imaturity on this blog at times makes me feel as some here are still in high school or suffering puberty.. iits always the same person leading the charge of innocense and victim when they are continually the firestarter.

    P.S. plz tell Gardner he is not a HR hitter and should learn from Ichiro. k, thnx.

  264. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:18 am

    “And I got you pegged 100%. You were against Mick until he started buddying up to you, then you write him a love poem. You did the same thing with C R 9. And anyone else that takes a passing interest in ‘your side’ of any debate.”

    Yeah, just like you had tomingeorgia pegged 100%, just like you had David Cone’s “racist” comments pegged 100%. You see spies behind bushes too, I’m sure.

    mick didn’t buddy up to me. I guess we found that we had in common a lack of falling apart when the Yankees lost. That is a powerful bond around here. And I started finding him interesting when I noticed his comments about things showed more thought and creativity than I gave him credit for having.

    I’ll pray for you that you start getting some accurate insights.

    Good night now.

    That means you’ve overstayed your welcome in my business, though I doubt that will stop your need to pull others apart.

    Interest in my side of the debate? Looks like you missed the most relevant part of who I am while incorrectly analyzing everything else about me. I really don’t care who buys my side of the debate and who doesn’t. It’s enough that I believe in it.

  265. Pat M. July 8th, 2013 at 1:20 am

    Im going to be in NYC in late September for a stickball tournament. My stay will be divided as I’ll be staying in The City and then I move up to Pelham Manor in Westchester…..Tricia, check your schedule for that week ( Sept 23=30 ) , maybe we can catch-up somewhere,

  266. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 1:21 am

    someones buttons have been pushed it seems.. super defensive usually means truth.. you wouldnt get upset if soneone called you a football would you? nope, cause you know your not a football! the hypocrisy and denial is comical..

  267. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:23 am

    “Indeed, there have been many “transformations” on this blog. Maybe the biggest one was when Stone went whole hog and had the change all the way to “Carly”. Ouch! I will call that a negative. Perhaps he is part Swedish?”

    I’ve been accused of being clueless. I never knew that Stone became Carly! I also never knew that bodhisattva had morphed into Prufrock.

    I’ve never paid inordinate attention in life to things that don’t really interest me so I guess it’s possible that I miss all of the things that other more “attentive” people pick up on.

    :)

  268. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:25 am

    “Im going to be in NYC in late September for a stickball tournament. My stay will be divided as I’ll be staying in The City and then I move up to Pelham Manor in Westchester…..Tricia, check your schedule for that week ( Sept 23=30 ) , maybe we can catch-up somewhere,”

    I’d love to do it. It will be a pleasure to be with someone who is nonaccusatory!

    :)

  269. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 1:26 am

    now back to NYY talk plz. k thnx!

    this offense stinks and adding arod and granderson will make it slightly better.. adding jeter improves us a bit more i hope.. still love watching jete play n miss his leadership n skills dearly!!!!

  270. Jerkface July 8th, 2013 at 1:27 am

    just like you had David Cone’s “racist” comments pegged 100%.

    I really don’t care who buys my side of the debate and who doesn’t. It’s enough that I believe in it.

    What David Cone said was racist, you dope. It doesn’t mean David Cone is a racist himself, but the comment was undeniably racist.

    And lol its true you don’t care who buys your side of the debate, you’ll take anyone. Even blog harassers! Doesn’t mean you don’t start posting positively towards people that take your side, including writing hilariously weird poems to them!

  271. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:29 am

    “someones buttons have been pushed it seems.. super defensive usually means truth.. you wouldnt get upset if soneone called you a football would you? nope, cause you know your not a football! the hypocrisy and denial is comical..”

    Come on now! One of the few things I picked up on here was that you accidentally let out of the bag that you were a he and not a she, and certainly not a college student. And when nick put it right out there to you, you did your usual running off and wouldn’t address it. And you’re talking about hypocrisy and denial?

    Some people get genuinely upset when they’re accused of things that aren’t true. But you’d have to be telling the truth from jump street to understand that Penny.

    You are indeed the wrong person to be moralizing!

  272. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 1:29 am

    but i cant take this ownership/manager/offense much longer!!!!!

  273. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 1:30 am

    jerkface n trisha are having a lovers quarel? hug it out!!!

  274. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:33 am

    “What David Cone said was racist, you dope.”

    As kind and refined as usual.

    “And lol its true you don’t care who buys your side of the debate, you’ll take anyone. Even blog harassers! Doesn’t mean you don’t start posting positively towards people that take your side, including writing hilariously weird poems to them!”

    I spoke from the heart. I don’t particularly care what you thought about it.

  275. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 1:34 am

    now here goes trisha attacking me again from being accused of something last year, but she “doesnt pay attention to such babble”… you are do low Trisha, you have been accusing me constantly for being a person i am not but you are non accusatory.. mmmhmm! now trying to distract the focus on yoursrlf and use me as a scapegoat again.. nice try loser! get a life and grow up!

  276. Pat M. July 8th, 2013 at 1:34 am

    Too much negative energy. Voodo Vibes, time to move on

  277. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:36 am

    “jerkface n trisha are having a lovers quarel? hug it out!!!”

    Actually jerkface is basically fighting with himself. I don’t consider this a quarrel but rather jerkface’s usual when he gets on a roll.

    Maybe you can say something to rile him so he has someone else to spar with. It’s what validates his existence.

    Night now.

    :)

  278. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 1:38 am

    and i share this account with my bf dave you dork! also i dont ever talk to nick , hes been a brat since day 1 and he is a quite weird, so i ignore him.

  279. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 1:40 am

    night night.. off to go study for my non college summer courses. sighhhh!

  280. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:41 am

    “now here goes trisha attacking me again from being accused of something last year, but she “doesnt pay attention to such babble”… you are do low Trisha, you have been accusing me constantly for being a person i am not but you are non accusatory.. mmmhmm! now trying to distract the focus on yoursrlf and use me as a scapegoat again.. nice try loser! get a life and grow up!”

    I picked up on you from jump street because your story was SOO ridiculous that even I saw through it. And you kept trapping yourself in lies by changing your story without knowing it. Quite recently you referred to yourself as a male, accidentally I’m sure, and nick asked if you were ready to finally admit you weren’t a female college student, and you took off like a shot and of course refused to acknowledge it.

    So I’m saying with your history of lying and denial, for you to refer to denial and hypocrisy seems at least a little hypocritical on your part.

    Pretty simple if you ask me.

    But I know the truth hurts and so you are now lashing out to try to take the heat off yourself.

    The truth will set you free, but apparently freedom isn’t what you want.

    The moral of the story is that you too should be minding your own business especially since you’re here with skeletons hanging out all over the place!

    :)

    See ya now “Penny”.

  281. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:43 am

    “and i share this account with my bf dave”

    Yeah right, because everyone shares accounts and comes on as the same person, despite being two different people.

    :lol:

    nick had you pegged. But he does that well. Generally I’m not quite as good.

  282. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 8th, 2013 at 1:45 am

    Always danger to hang out here when there’s been a Yankee loss.

    The knives are out in force.

    Night y’all – whoever’s left here.

  283. Hankflorida July 8th, 2013 at 1:55 am

    The Red Sox lost and the Yankees are five games out, and the Yanks have seven games against two teams that they should beat if their pitching holds up and their Punch and Judy hitters can keep the chain moving with men on base. The Red Sox may easily take the series from the Mariners but the A’s may give them some trouble. A-Rod coming back from his hip injury may not increase the power numbers and Jeter coming back may mean more clutch hits. I wish Granderson was ready to return and another player added who would be a long ball threat. I would like to bring up again the championship 1941 Yankees and compare them to this team where both teams had good pitching and a second basemen, Gordon, who like Cano would hit over twenty home runs while the other infielders hit less then ten home runs each. The difference between the teams was Keller, Henrich and the great DiMaggio where each one hit over thirty
    home runs while this team has Gardner, Ishiro and Almonte. We could live with this outfield if we had the power numbers that we had from the infield and DH of the last few years coupled with a good pitching staff.

  284. Tar July 8th, 2013 at 7:01 am

    “so I just basically blow off those who resort to nasty little personal digs.”

    ——-

    “Which is what you do constantly.”

    ——–

    If only you could back up your continual accusations with examples. But you can’t. Because your preference is to throw out nasty comments and then run. I keep it general, you make it personal.

    —————————-

    Trish

    My “preference is to make nasty comments and than run”, and

    “I make it personal and you keep it general”? Did you even read your prior sentence?

    You know me enough to know that I don’t run, but I do go to bed because I get up real early and work hard.

    Anyway here’s your back-up. This is like less than an hour from this one post. None of it was warranted.

    “If you’re looking for a lot of scoring, maybe football’s your game.”

    “Chalk it up, is right. But for some reason, it’s easier to boo hoo all over the offense and call their six games before that the aberration.”

    “Some posters need a built in babysitter to comfort them whenever things go off track.”

    “it’s easier for the average fan to go bottom line with the hackneyed thoughts and complaints than to actually take the time to think beyond them”

    I think the jeter better hurry mantra is another one of those “easy to throw out there rather than actually think”.”

    “like andy yesterday, their starter bent but did not break”
    A thinking man’s comment.”

    “Guess you were contemplating your navel when CC gave up a boatload of runs in a few of the games, ”

    “I’m taken by people who think, not people who react.”

    ———

    Actually you are “taken” by people who abuse you, time after time. The list is long and getting longer.

    So whether you do, or you don’t realize it………. you throw out “nasty little digs’ all the time. Often times you are responding to “innocent” little mick. Thing is… he knows exactly how you are going to respond and he’s playing you. He thrives on mayhem, ( kind of like that commercial. ) and you play right into his hands. But you’re a grown women who is super smart, just way too naive.

    It’s either that or me and at least two other posters (but more likely more) who do not interact in any way other than on this forum came to the same conclusion by chance. Hmmmm

    And BTW nobody is buying this whole feigning ignorance schtick. You read just about everything that is posted on this blog and you’re memory is impeccable, so stop with the I don’t remember nonsense.

    “Stop judging me.”

    Why don’t you practice what you preach. You really need to stop criticizing people who think differently than you.

    Take your return shot, and let’s move on.

  285. Tar July 8th, 2013 at 7:09 am

    The person who was posting above from “San Fernando” is more than likely C R 9. Please just ignore or email Chad if he acts up.

  286. Against All Odds July 8th, 2013 at 7:14 am

    It was a street fight on the board last night wtf

  287. Hassey July 8th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Really

    What a weird joint this is

    With a few more fake boobs and a little more hair product, we’d be on Jersey Shore

  288. austinmac July 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am

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  290. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Good morning breakfast club
    I think a change of subject is in order.

    Read this article and tell me if you think the Yankees are going to need to get another third baseman:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....nt=Yankees

  291. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    I think I posted in error yesterday.
    I posted Carlos Ruiz’ 2012 stats and splits.
    I mentioned that he was banned 50 games at the beginning of the season for PED use.
    I was wrong he was banned 25 games beginning of the season for amphetamines.

  292. austinmac July 8th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    YT,

    The jury is still very much out as to whether AROD can play at a high level with his hip(s). It takes your core to hit. I have my doubts. One would think the team could have a pretty good idea from watching.

  293. Doreen July 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Yankee Trader -

    It’s probably still a little too early to make the call, but I think it’s definitely a possibility.

  294. Doreen July 8th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    One thing is for sure, there are too many DHs …

  295. Shame Spencer July 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Um… interesting evening conversation last night lol. Seems like, win or lose, we end up in the same circular discussion.

    Trader – I’ve believed the Yanks should get a 3B even before he needed his second hip surgery. I’m assuming it just depends on what moves can be made.

  296. jacksquat July 8th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    My guess is they’ll play Arod at 3B as much as possible, he and Jeter will take turns being the DH vs LHP with Cruz or Nix at 3B or Nunez at SS.

  297. Yankee Trader July 8th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Currently the Yankees have been scouting Michael Young who played third base and first base yesterday and is hitting 284.

    He has reverse splits season hitting 218 versus lefties 307 versus righties. He’s batting 271 with runners in scoring position if the Yankees got him I don’t know if that would put him amongst Yankee leaders in that department.

    Have to go, so everyone have a great day.

    Until later.

  298. pat July 8th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Yankees need to take a hope for the best, plan for the worst approach with the left side of the infield.

    Luis Sojo sounds more upbeat about Alex than the NY media reports.

  299. jacksquat July 8th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    It’s just some guy at the NY Post trying to make a story.

  300. Tackelberry July 8th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    What would it take to get Young from the Phils? Maybe expand the deal to get Cliff Lee too?

  301. MG July 8th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Is anyone else starting to get a feeling that the Yankees and Arod are building a case for him to retire due to medical reasons?

    I couldn’t understand why they sent him to Charleston for a couple of days instead of him just playing in Tampa, maybe it was just to document his inability to play at any major league level.

    It would be good if I was wrong as the Yankees need someone at 3rd who can actually hit but the beat writers always get fed stuff by the team, maybe today’s Post article is the next step in that process.

  302. MG July 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    should have been ‘at any professional level’

  303. Shame Spencer July 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Still no updates on the investigation into Aledmys Diaz, smh.

  304. Shame Spencer July 8th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Honestly, MG – No.

    Based on the USA Today article and the total lack of legality, I cannot imagine they are setting him up to retire due to medical reasons.

    That would require Alex wanting to do the Yankees a favor.

  305. 86w183 July 8th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Good morning all —-

    This California trip certainly has me off my game timing-wise.

    I don’t see any way Alex just disappears unless he suffers another hip related setback. Otherwise the worst contract in MLB history will continue to keep giving.

    Cliff Lee is terrific, but there’s just TOOOOOO much money on the back end. Not sure the Yanks would take him if no prospects were required. $ 25 M each of the next two years plus $ 27.5 or a $ 12.5 buyout in 2016.

  306. austinmac July 8th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    I don’t think the team will take on any money for 2014. Hal has shown no indication the off season rules(with old guy exceptions) no longer apply.

  307. Shame Spencer July 8th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    If they take on the Lee contract I’d be shocked. They’re very likely targeting Young or Ruiz… but I’ll still pretend it’s Dom Brown we’re on the verge of acquiring.

  308. J. Alfred Prufrock July 8th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Shame, I doubt the Phillies would part with Brown, since the vigil of development they withstood on him is now paying off in spades.

    I would sooner pluck Tommy Joseph away from them than Ruiz, if not for Joseph’s concussion that I think he’s just coming back from. They regarded Valle as their top catching prospect, although his, and Joseph’s, numbers have been down. I think they’d give up Joseph. They have a history of parting with their better catching prospects, although that’s usually been for pitching.

  309. mick July 8th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    I know last night was a classic street fight but change the damn thread already…

  310. Shame Spencer July 8th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    JAP – It’s very likely they’re just looking at Ruiz or Young but I’d love it if they brought back someone else. We’ll see how things shake out by the end of the month. Hard to believe we’re just 3 weeks away from the deadline.

  311. mick July 8th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    If Young is in play then Ruiz can’t be far behind…2 clutch players who know how to win and would serve a major purpose in winning this whole thing.
    Just don’t give up any 1st tier pitching or players.

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  313. mick July 8th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Hey Mac-the streak is over but how about we start a new one?
    Reel off the last 7 (lucky #) straight?
    Same kudos apply in post game?

  314. J. Alfred Prufrock July 8th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Shame,

    I really don’t want Michael Young, and I certainly don’t want him for something like Betances and Flores, or something equally foolish. Yet I could see it happening. Young’s a professional hitter type but not a particularly good 3B and doesn’t really have the conventional 3B pop to make it worth giving up anyone of note.

    Just give me Jeter back and Alex at 50 percent. If they want to make a “Myers” type deal, that’d be a different story. Too many old guys on this team already.

  315. mick July 8th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Young will be the BU1B platoon. I hope we get him but not for anything potentially big.

  316. Shame Spencer July 8th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    JAP – They shouldn’t be giving anything up for either besides a B prospect. I don’t really want anyone from the Phillies, tbh (aside from Brown). But no one asked me!! :(

  317. J. Alfred Prufrock July 8th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Shame, thanks for posting. Bogarts had zero chance against Betances a week or so ago.

    Justing waiting with patience for Sanchez to make it up my way :) After ASB, perhaps.

    Good one, all

  318. J. Alfred Prufrock July 8th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Shame, just really tired of retreads. Always appreciated Young’s fine hitting, but he’s not “young” anymore ;)

    World is calling, have a great day.

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    So they’ve moved Mason Williams out of their top 50.

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