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Pregame notes: “When you get here, you play”

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Ichiro Suzuki, Lyle Overbay

There have been so many castoffs from other teams that have found their way into pinstripes this season that it’s beginning to feel like the norm. Not many teams have been as active when it comes to the waiver wire, and the Yankees certainly aren’t your typical bargain hunters. But despite the constant turnover that has at times made them look desperate, the Yanks have somehow made it work.

“I think you’re flexible enough to do it,” Joe Girardi said. “To me, it’s not a big deal. I think guys, when they have a chance to play, want to play. That’s why they’re players. They’re excited to come in here and get a chance.”

Girardi has made a habit of penciling guys into the lineup fresh off of red-eye flights, and Travis Ishikawa is the latest to join the club of Yankee journeymen. The 29-year-old first baseman was claimed on waivers from the Baltimore Orioles yesterday, and today he is hitting sixth for the 27-time champion New York Yankees.

Before Ishikawa, we’ve seen the likes of Reid Brignac and Alberto Gonzalez and Luis Cruz make their own unheralded debuts in the Bronx, which makes Ishikawa’s arrival seem like business as usual. But make no mistake, this is not how the Yankees drew it up in the offseason.

“They shouldn’t be surprised if they read the papers around here or get the box scores,” Girardi said. “When you get here, you play. That’s the bottom line. We’ve acquired so many people over the course of the season out of need, and usually when you do that, you need them to play.”

Travis Ishikawa• Ishikawa made his MLB debut with the San Francisco Giants in 2006 and has bounced around quite a bit since then. He’s also played for the Orioles and Milwaukee Brewers, with a handful of minor league stints mixed in. He’s a career .260 hitter, but had just two hits in his 17 at-bats with Baltimore this season. As a left-handed hitter, he’s not an ideal platoon option at first with Lyle Overbay, but Girardi said the main reason that he’s here is because Overbay needs the occasional day off. The Yankees have been playing without a real backup first baseman for a good portion of the season. “He’ll give Lyle a spell here and there,” Girardi said. “Lyle has kind of been our only first baseman through this long stretch, so I’m giving him a night off. I imagine Lyle will be right back out there tomorrow.”

• To add Ishikawa to the roster, the Yankees sent David Adams down. The rookie third baseman showed some glimpses of why the Yankees are so high on him when he first came up, but he slipped into a bad slump soon after. “It’s always hard, cause everyone wants to be here. That’s the bottom line,” Girardi said. “The way we saw it is that this kid is someone that we expect to be a player here for awhile, and for him not to play everyday didn’t make sense to us. We decided to let him go play, and he’ll be ready when we need him.”

• With Adams back at Triple-A, Girardi was asked what the right side of his infield will look like until Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez return. “Nunie is going to play short, and it’ll usually be Luis Cruz (at third),” he said. That tells me that whenever either Jeter or A-Rod is ready, Gonzalez will probably be the first guy to go. Cruz has made a pretty good impressive in his short time here.

• Girardi said that Jeter and A-Rod are both scheduled to play in the field today on their respective rehab assignments. Jeter will be at Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, while A-Rod remains will Class A Tampa. He did give an interesting answer when asked if it’s possible that Jeter could be back with the Yankees this weekend. “There’s always a chance,” he said. “You just have to see how he does the next three or four days.”

• While Jeter and A-Rod are getting close, Curtis Granderson still has a ways to go. Girardi said that all he’s doing at this point is swinging under water, so there is no timetable for his return. “I don’t know if he’s behind,” Girardi said. “It’s probably not healing as quickly as I would like. He’s not to the point where he’s been able to do tee or toss yet. I don’t think you can ever say, when you come from an injury like a broken hand, how long it’s going to take. Maybe it’s taken a little bit longer than we expected, but we didn’t really put a time on it.”

• Phil Hughes will get the start for tonight’s series opener with the Kansas City Royals, and he’s been pretty good lately. He’s gone at least seven innings in each of his last two starts and didn’t allow more than two runs in either outing. Hughes has attributed the success to improved command, and Girardi was asked if he’s seen any other factors. “I don’t necessarily think so,” he said. “The mixing of his pitches, as well. Part of having command is also having command of your off-speed, too. Being able to use it when you’re behind in the count, and I think he was able to do that in his last couple starts.”

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185 Responses to “Pregame notes: “When you get here, you play””

  1. LGY July 8th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Well, things have certainly remained interesting on here since last night.

    Trisha, for you and your client’s sake I sincerely hope you’re not this easily manipulated in your legal practice.

  2. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 8th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
    “Gonzo.”

    Well, when they called up Gonzo the game was up for Adams. So they weren’t going to send Gonzo down.

    That said, I have never been a big Adams fan so it’s easier for me to see him go.
    _

    They don’t develop well. As such, he’s the best they have with any upside potential.

  3. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Rick in San Fernando July 8th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
    He’s a utility player that would be utilized probably twice a month, if at all, by any other MLB team.

    ***CORRECT – HE’S A UTILITY PLAYER PLAYING REGULARLY

    The team would be better served giving a young guy in the minors the chance to stick at the major league level, rather than running Nix out there everyday.

    *** HAVEN’T THEY ALREADY TRIED 5 SHORTSTOPS & 4 THIRD BASEMEN TO DATE (REGARDLESS OF AGE) ?

    He purposefully played through injury because he knew the Yankees are the only team stupid enough to play him every day. I knew it would take a DL stint to get him off our everyday roster. Same with Chris Stewart.

    ***SAME WITH STEWART. WHO DO WE HAVE ? WHO’s AVAILABLE ? ANGER DIRECTED IN WRONG DIRECTION.

    When the Yankees had good hitting catchers, the catcher would sit every “day game after a night game,” but good ole Stewie plays every damn game. I dont care if Romine hasnt hit yet.

    ***ROMINE ISN’T EVEN A DECENT CATCHER YET, PUTTING ASIDE BEING AN ATROCIOUS HITTER.

    *** STEWART IS STILL ALMOST AT .250….BETTER THAN MOST AT THIS POINT

    Neither did Jose Iglesias hit. It’s sickening how the greatest and winningest organization in world history runs Stewie out there every single day.

    ***CRITICIZE OUR LACK OF DEPTH, NOT THE UTILITY PLAYERS !

    (repost)

  4. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    RAB:

    Monday: The Yankees do indeed have interest in acquiring Ruggiano, reports Ken Rosenthal. It would be quite redundant to carry both Ruggiano and Vernon Wells on the roster, however.
    _

    He would be an upgrade over the ghost of Vernon Wells.

  5. Warning Track Power July 8th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Regarding ARod and his rehab assignment, can anybody here tell me what
    his plans are today and tomorrow?
    Does he play today
    Have a day off
    Traveling to another location to resume his rehab assignment
    ???

  6. comnsnse July 8th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Adams did not display the offense he is supposed to have with a decent amount of opportunities.

    His swing seemed to be more of a “push” at the ball which might be his mechanics but there was no real indication of power.

    At 26 I’d say he has little future here but again as with all our prospects who knows?

  7. Locke July 8th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    J. Pruf – I didn’t know all the stuff about ARod’s childhood. As we saw this off season there is always a lot of other things going on in the background. We all just though Alex was in a monster slump and then it turned out he had destroyed his hip.

  8. Rick in San Fernando July 8th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Hey Comnsnse, I have always enjoyed your brilliance and wit.

  9. LGY July 8th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    We seek transparency from corporations and governments we don’t trust.

    Maybe C R should have to post him and his gf’s info on here to demonstrate he’s worthy of that trust after his prior transgressions.

  10. exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Regarding Puig. I wouldn’t be upset if he was added by the vote. But, I look at the stats and he’s not there. Why? Cause he doesn’t have enough at bats to qualify. Shouldn’t that mean something. If the season ended today he wouldn’t lead the league in hitting, Yadier Molina would.

  11. sportsvoiceinmyhead July 8th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    I just voted, go out and vote #Robertson #Puig #HighSocksForVotes http://t.co/efeDIJg5P3

  12. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Puig is a market-conscious sports’ dream. If only…

  13. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    PUIG:

    Gets the 1990 Kevin Maas voters

  14. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    That’s ridiculous.

  15. Locke July 8th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
    Regarding Puig. I wouldn’t be upset if he was added by the vote. But, I look at the stats and he’s not there. Why? Cause he doesn’t have enough at bats to qualify. Shouldn’t that mean something. If the season ended today he wouldn’t lead the league in hitting, Yadier Molina would.

    ——

    Exiled – You make a good point about the qualifying at bats.

    The only reason I think he should be on the team is because it seems that he would make the NL team better. I’m sure he’ll come back down to earth once pitchers learn some of his weaknesses, but right now he’s hitting as well as anybody.

    If baseball is going make the All Star game decide home field advantage in the WS I think the fans should be allowed to elect whoever gives their team the advantage.

  16. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    not at all.
    Excellent comparison.

  17. Warning Track Power July 8th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Is the voting unlimited or is their
    a cap for the 2013 Final Vote???

  18. sportsvoiceinmyhead July 8th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    unlimited

  19. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    “If baseball is going make the All Star game decide home field advantage in the WS I think the fans should be allowed to elect whoever gives their team the advantage.”

    That is an insanely stupid rule from a bought and paid for commissioner who pretends that PEDs can undermine the integrity of the game but not bogus gimmicks.

  20. sportsvoiceinmyhead July 8th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    I voted like 60 times, hey I have no life :)

  21. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    “not at all.
    Excellent comparison.”

    Of course, because a guy with one tool in a ballpark tailored to that one tool is the same as a 5 tool player.

  22. Hankflorida July 8th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 8th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    Hankflorida July 8th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    An optimistic Yankee fan with this lineup of one base at a time is like the little boy who jumped into a pile of manure thinking with all this manure, there has to be pony underneath. During my years from the late thirties to the early sixties, I was so conditioned to winning that any misstep brought out all my demons of pessimism. More power to those Yankee fans who are not derailed by all these injuries and look forward to riding the baseball pony in October.
    ///

    Optimism is turning on your television set to see your team play, because you don’t know what’s going to chance.

    Optimism is arguing points with other Yankee fans because if you have the impetus and vitality to debate, then the fan hope is alive in you.

    Optimism is understanding that people have differing views and that a board like this, in order to thrive, has to optimistically embrace and encourage the heterogeneity.

    Writing hollow posts using the word “optimism” however, isn’t optimism.

    Alfred, I agree with all your sentiments, but I think the word you should have used instead of optimism should have been open mindedness. I think that you failed to adhere to your sentiments by not being openminded when you called my post hollow. In my post, I admitted that I may be wrong about those who see the Yankee offense good enough to take them into the
    playoffs, but my pessimistic attitude about how things are progressing does not subtract from my rooting for the team or wanting the team to make improvements or being openminded to the opinions of others.

  23. luis July 8th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Good afternoon again,

    Yes… Kuroda should be in the ASG… He has a 2.77 ERA, but more importantly he has a WHIP of 1.029… Incredible that after yesterday’s great outing it went up slightly, it was 0.995 before… He has been the unsung ace of this team and one of the best pitchers in the league.

    What I don’t get is why sit Nunez after just two games? for Cruz? Come on!!

  24. Warning Track Power July 8th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Locke July 8th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
    Regarding Puig. I wouldn’t be upset if he was added by the vote. But, I look at the stats and he’s not there. Why? Cause he doesn’t have enough at bats to qualify. Shouldn’t that mean something. If the season ended today he wouldn’t lead the league in hitting, Yadier Molina would.

    ——

    Exiled – You make a good point about the qualifying at bats.

    The only reason I think he should be on the team is because it seems that he would make the NL team better. I’m sure he’ll come back down to earth once pitchers learn some of his weaknesses, but right now he’s hitting as well as anybody.

    If baseball is going make the All Star game decide home field advantage in the WS I think the fans should be allowed to elect whoever gives their team the advantage.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    I agree the best players should go, but I still go back to the fact that
    he has not played in enough games to justify an all-star selection.
    Last year Harper & Trout made the team, but they both played in more games
    then Puig can play in this season before the all-star game.
    There has to be a barometer and I’m sorry, but Puig falls shorts.
    If he’s a great player, then I’m sure he will earn a spot on the team next season and
    many seasons after.

  25. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    2013 ASG:
    PUIG
    …bogus gimmick

    2014ASG:
    PUIG
    …probably legit

  26. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    2013 ASG:
    PUIG
    …bogus gimmick

    2014ASG:
    PUIG
    …probably legit
    _

    Keep posting it. It’s still a ridiculous comparison when you view their skillsets juxtaposed along side their home parks.

  27. exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Locke July 8th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    I think if he gets added he won’t see more than one at bat anyways. So I wouldn’t mind. Hanley Ramirez has a higher AVE., BA., OBP, OPS., in 27 fewer at bats. Maybe he should have been in there too. Just saying.

  28. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    “…What I don’t get is why sit Nunez after just two games? for Cruz? Come on!!…”

    That Cruz is a feisty little free-swinger…Nunez may be a bit tired.

  29. tomingeorgia July 8th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    I voted for Puig, just because I saw him hit a Mantlesque 500 footer in Chattanooga a week or so before the Dodgers called him up, so I’ve been following him some. He is exciting to watch.

  30. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    ???

  31. luis July 8th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Hank,

    Both words would fit well… “optimist” because you are hoping that dispite all that you think is wrong with the team, somehow they will pull it off in the end… “opeminded”, because there is no absolute truth, so there should be always room for adjustment.

  32. sportsvoiceinmyhead July 8th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    That Hunter is an All Star and not Gardner is the biggest Joke in BaseBall not Puig, but Jim Leyland is a bafoon

  33. comnsnse July 8th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Rich in NJ, on a previous thread you commented, “optimism is subjective”.

    So what do you call the “condition” when unbridled optimism flies in the face of fact and logic?

    Cheerleading or maybe just a little neurotic interdependency? ;)

    And since there is no clear subject re: this blog thread, what’s with all the angst about vitriol and verbal sparring?

    How does anyone deduce it’s not simply a commenter’s sarcastic humor and not intended to be personal…..yet? ;)

  34. tbone1570 July 8th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Girardi said: “When you get here, you play. That’s the bottom line.”

    *****************************************

    Hmmm, maybe it’s just my failing memory, but I don’t recall Girardi saying that when Romine was called up! ;)

  35. Warning Track Power July 8th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
    “…What I don’t get is why sit Nunez after just two games? for Cruz? Come on!!…”

    That Cruz is a feisty little free-swinger…Nunez may be a bit tired.
    ———————————————————————————
    Cruiz reminds me of Miguel Cairo
    Am I wrong???

  36. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Here’s more

    Puig to date: .409 .437 .677 1.114 (127 AB)

    Maas on June 30th 1990: .333 .429 .333 .762 (6 AB)

    Maas for all of July 1990: .270 .395 .667 1.061 (63 AB)

    No comparison.

  37. luis July 8th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    That Cruz is a feisty little free-swinger…Nunez may be a bit tired.

    ===================================

    Maybe, but Cruz has played a lot more than Nunez…. Cautious with him to prevent re-injury?

  38. Warning Track Power July 8th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Rich-
    Didn’t Paulie refer to Maas over the weekend when
    Puig’s name was brought up during the telecast?
    I laughed out loud. I just love when Paulie is in
    the booth.
    I think he brings the team good luck. Or maybe that’s just
    my imagination.

  39. jacksquat July 8th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Puig has a 209 ops+. 135 pa, he’s hitting now, doesn’t matter if it will continue, the AS game is now, not in month.

  40. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    “Cruiz reminds me of Miguel Cairo
    Am I wrong???”

    Neither are good.Cairo’s typical OPS+ as a Yankee was in the 60s.

  41. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Warning Track Power July 8th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
    UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
    “…What I don’t get is why sit Nunez after just two games? for Cruz? Come on!!…”

    That Cruz is a feisty little free-swinger…Nunez may be a bit tired.
    ———————————————————————————
    Cruiz reminds me of Miguel Cairo
    Am I wrong???
    =========================

    That would be a good result !

  42. luis July 8th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    WTP,

    Miguel Cairo had a much better plate approach… Cruz seems to be a dead pull hitter with some ability to hit the low pitch

  43. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    WTP

    O’Neil is amusing, but in terms of analysis, I will take Cone.

  44. Warning Track Power July 8th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Luis-
    I said Cruz reminds me of Cairo. Does not mean much else
    expect when I see Cruz, I think of Miggy.

  45. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    The way Sterling and Waldman talk about him compared to the way they talked about Cairo, Nix reminds of Cairo.

  46. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    The comparison is one player coming into the league with minimal at bats and being a ‘skyrocket’….and another.

    Kevin Maas had something like 10 HR’s in his first 80AB’s….

    …or geez… lets just see who were the best hitters of the past 10 games…..maybe they should also go to the ASG

    Simply not enuf….bt if MLB wants a ‘soup of the day’ — they’ll get it !

  47. exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Hanley AB 100 .410 .450 .750 1.200

    Puig AB 127 .409 .437 .667 1.114

    Stats in a SSS can be deceiving. Nobody is pushing for Ramirez.

    Puig is just the next new thing.

  48. jackamir July 8th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    The wiseguys here in Vegas have King Felix as their best bet this evening. The line has moved tremendously from the opening line.. Do they know something? Is anybody hurt or not playing for the Red Sox…

  49. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    “Stats in a SSS can be deceiving. Nobody is pushing for Ramirez.”

    Was Ramirez on the ballot?

  50. jacksquat July 8th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    It’s a game for the fans. The fans will decide if they want Puig there. I can’t see anything wrong with that.

  51. blake July 8th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Nobody has noticed Hanleys sample of greatness because it was served with a hefty side of suck before it……Puig has been awesome but he’s hadnt played long enough to warrant making the team IMO…..it’s supposed to be an exhibition though so let the fans see who they want to see

  52. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    I wish the Yankees had traded for Ramirez.

  53. luis July 8th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Warning Track Power July 8th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    Luis-
    I said Cruz reminds me of Cairo. Does not mean much else
    expect when I see Cruz, I think of Miggy.

    =====

    Point taken ;) I hope you are not thinking about Miggy Cabrera… Because you are in for a big dissapointment ;)

  54. luis July 8th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Blake,

    Read your post on previous thread… I agree :D But no chance we get rid of the owner! ;)

  55. exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    i’m not pushing for Ramirez. Just using him to prove SSS means so little. I’d be LMAO if his name was even in the convor for the ASG. i’m more trying to say Puig is new. It’s good for baseball. But,what will people say if he goes to the ASG. and hits .268 the rest of the season. What does that do for the next, next new guy.

  56. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    “…I wish the Yankees had traded for Ramirez…”

    —————–

    That means we likely would’ve traded a prospect or 2 ….. huggers would’ve gone ballistic.

  57. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    “That means we likely would’ve traded a prospect or 2 ….. huggers would’ve gone ballistic.”

    Most prospect huggers like myself realize that: 1) all prospects aren’t created equal; and 2) unfortunately, the Yankees don’t have the patience and/or skill to develop.

  58. Wave Your Hat July 8th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Puig has certainly had a very fine 32 games. JMO, but I’d like to see a bit more track record before putting him on the All-Star team. I’ve always thought the All-Star team is a blend of what have you done for me lately, and what have you done in your career.

  59. Pat M. July 8th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Ramirez has been an absolute monster since his return and it’s he not Puig that has put the Dodgers on the express track.

  60. luis July 8th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    UpState July 8th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
    “…I wish the Yankees had traded for Ramirez…”

    —————–

    That means we likely would’ve traded a prospect or 2 ….. huggers would’ve gone ballistic.

    ===========================

    Depending on the prospects… But yeah, I still have some concerns about his makeup and his long term health… But if it meant parting with the likes of Williams, Sanchez and Co…You bet I would go ballistic!

  61. Wave Your Hat July 8th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    “Most prospect huggers like myself realize that: 1) all prospects aren’t created equal; and 2) unfortunately, the Yankees don’t have the patience and/or skill to develop.”

    Depends on the prospects. But I’m not sure the Yanks have the prospects to get Ramirez anyway.

  62. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    “Depends on the prospects. But I’m not sure the Yanks have the prospects to get Ramirez anyway.”

    We could have saved Montero to be included in a package.

  63. luis July 8th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    We could have saved Montero to be included in a package.

    ============================

    This would have made sense if they thought that he wasn’t right for the team…Of course, provided that Montero would have stunk in YS

  64. Wave Your Hat July 8th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    “We could have saved Montero to be included in a package.”

    Well that would have depended on the Dodgers – we are talking about the Dodgers, right? – view of Montero’s catching.

  65. sportsvoiceinmyhead July 8th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Torii Hunter

    AVG HR RBI R OBP SLG SB
    .309 6 42 49 .348 .443 2

    Brett Gardner

    AVG HR RBI R OBP SLG SB
    .273 7 31 48 .332 .430 11

    Still think Brett is an All Star

  66. luis July 8th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Close, But Torii is the big name unfortunately

  67. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    “Well that would have depended on the Dodgers – we are talking about the Dodgers, right? – view of Montero’s catching.”

    No, I meant a trade to the Marlins.

  68. tbone1570 July 8th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    We could have saved Montero to be included in a package.

    ************
    But we didn’t. We could have saved A-Jax to include in a package, but we didn’t.

    What’s done is done, besides why assume the Dodgers would want him now?

  69. Wave Your Hat July 8th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    “No, I meant a trade to the Marlins.”

    That’s why I asked. But, I suspect at the time they traded him, the Yanks would have thought they had no place to play him.

  70. Wave Your Hat July 8th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Have to run.

  71. UpState July 8th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Hanley was with the Marlins when he was ‘on the block’….FLA got 2 young decent appearing pitchers from LA.

  72. Rich in NJ July 8th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    “That’s why I asked. But, I suspect at the time they traded him, the Yanks would have thought they had no place to play him.”

    I think it was about money, but with their SS and 3B both approaching 40, and the ability to DH one of the three at any time, I think that would be a very poor judgment on their part if that was their thinking.

  73. Rick in San Fernando July 8th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    I know all the stats say Gardner is a very good hitting/defensive outfielder, but he disgusts me.

  74. exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    When Gardner runs down a long fly or doubles, he looks like an all-star. When he’s on first and can’t take a base or gets caught stealing he doesn’t.

  75. bruceb July 8th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    If anyone need confirmation that the majority of this lineup is absolute garbage, then Joe Girardi provided it this afternoon. “When you get here, you play.” In other words, with the exception of Cano and possibly Gardner, anyone can be left out of the lineup on any given day.

    I’m full of admiration for the job Girardi and our pitchers have done in keeping us in contention in the AL East. To be honest, it’s pretty close to miraculous. Let’s hope we can keep it up until the cavalry arrives.

  76. Warning Track Power July 8th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    When Gardner runs down a long fly or doubles, he looks like an all-star. When he’s on first and can’t take a base or gets caught stealing he doesn’t.
    ——————————————————————
    Gardner needs to improve his base stealing. I thought he would be much further
    along. For crying out loud, Nate McClouth has more steals at this point in
    the season.
    WTF!!

  77. exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Living here in Tampa I have to listen to a lot of crap about the Rays. Maybe I’ve been brain washed but they scare me more than any team in the division. Moore is back to being Moore. So is Price. And “Hellboy” is the best I’ve ever seen him be. There offense is top 5 or 6 too.

  78. blake July 8th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

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    Arod is one step from the Centaur glue factory…..Jeter while I never bet against him is 39 and coming off a very serious injury…..and Granderson really hasn’t been great in awhile either …..

  79. bruceb July 8th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

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  80. Rick in San Fernando July 8th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    exiledintampa, the true test of any team is how they perform against the Red Sox. The Rays havent even shown up most nights against the Red Sox. They are not interested in taking first place away from the Red Sox. Perhaps the Orioles are, but their pitching isn’t really that good. Obviously, the Rays get up against the Yanks like it’s their World Series, but I would fear the Orioles and Red Sox.

  81. blake July 8th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    “I agree, Blake, but even if they’re half the players they were, Jete and ARod are going to be better than what we have now. Add Grandy to the mix and at least Girardi will have some options when it comes to creating a lineup card.”

    Sure….better….still doubt it’ll be good enough without additional help

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  84. exiledintampa July 8th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

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    Get back Jeter and Granderson to go along with Nunez and maybe add a minor piece like Michael Young to play 3B and 1B. Then in the offseason sign Choo to go along with Ichiro, Gardner and Almonte. I would even re-sign Michael Young as a DH/3B for 2014.

    I wanted to add Hanley Ramirez after reading how he felt healthier than ever since before his shoulder injury but it looks like that’s not happening.

  86. Rick in San Fernando July 8th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    exiled, there are very few true winners in the history of sport. Like Jordan, Jeter, Kobe. Dwight’s a loser, always will be.

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    An optimistic Yankee fan with this lineup of one base at a time is like the little boy who jumped into a pile of manure thinking with all this manure, there has to be pony underneath. During my years from the late thirties to the early sixties, I was so conditioned to winning that any misstep brought out all my demons of pessimism. More power to those Yankee fans who are not derailed by all these injuries and look forward to riding the baseball pony in October.
    ///

    Optimism is turning on your television set to see your team play, because you don’t know what’s going to chance.

    Optimism is arguing points with other Yankee fans because if you have the impetus and vitality to debate, then the fan hope is alive in you.

    Optimism is understanding that people have differing views and that a board like this, in order to thrive, has to optimistically embrace and encourage the heterogeneity.

    Writing hollow posts using the word “optimism” however, isn’t optimism.
    ///

    Alfred, I agree with all your sentiments, but I think the word you should have used instead of optimism should have been open mindedness. I think that you failed to adhere to your sentiments by not being openminded when you called my post hollow. In my post, I admitted that I may be wrong about those who see the Yankee offense good enough to take them into the
    playoffs, but my pessimistic attitude about how things are progressing does not subtract from my rooting for the team or wanting the team to make improvements or being openminded to the opinions of others.
    ///

    Hank, I wasn’t referring to your post saluting optimism, I was referencing the people here who try to ram “positive” down everyone’s throats.

    In fact, I saw your post as a response to the earlier discussion on optimism, which was basically set in motion by mick and trisha brow beating blake about being “pessimistic” for calling a spade a spade: our lousy offense.

    I was referencing, specifically, their “hollowness” in attempts to use those words like a club to beat people over the head with here. It’s an abuse of the term “optimism,” IMO.

    And I do see turning on the TV as optimistic. I see discussion about what holes need to be filled as optimistic, because you’re trying to problem solve.

    Therefore, when I see mindless, vacuous and transparent pettiness try to pass for dialogue: i.e., like what went on last night here in response to blake’s observation and (what triggered this whole discussion earlier today),

    I feel I want to weigh in on a word that has lost all meaning here, since it appears fabricated lines have been drawn between the so-called “positive” and so-called “negative” posters, all on the terms of the ones who are the least open-minded, to use your word, IMO, and the least able to stand and deliver in an actual discussion about the team’s pluses and minuses.

    Your post on “optimistic” Yankee fans I agree with, but I don’t identify those people who have flattered themselves “optimists” to resemble the fan you describe.

    And yes, I would be very closed-minded had I called your post “hollow.” Sorry for the misunderstanding.

  88. blake July 8th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    It’s fine to be optimistic if you really feel optimistic….. I just don’t feel the need to create false hustle when I don’t really feel it.

    It love to feel like this team was a title contender….I just don’t….. Obviously Id love for then to prove me wrong and I’ll be cheering for them to do just that

  89. kd July 8th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

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    anyone available on thetrade market that makes sense?

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    Now seriously, are you having on with the blog about those “neuro” issues?

    OCD does not translate to wild emotional swings, hold on for a sec while I finish polishing the chrome faucets!

    Music and humor are the keys to mental health…………………..along with post coital contentment! ;)

  91. RayVT July 8th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    The Yanks need to hit more including HRs. As far as hiting goes:

    1.) SS has improved from Nix to Nunez. Soon it will improve again with Jeter (also a RH DH)!
    2.) 3B is still a black hole. Cruz, Adams, Nix (DL) & Musty (DL) could help & Alex may be back in August. I believe Musty comes up soon & Gonzalez gets dropped.
    3.) Grandy will be back too in August.
    4.) The NYY pitching has been great & full of depth. Given that the offense doesn’t need a full upgrade to win more games.
    5.) I think with more depth in Hitting then the guys like Wells, Hafner & Overbay who are exposed playing so much can rest/heal & be more productive with the additions.
    6.) Almonte has helped. Perhaps Ishikawa will too.

    What has bothered me was having a game that is close & looking at a bench or Gonzalez, Romine & Cruz or equivalent to PH. To me that is uncalled for. RH bats of Musty, Nunez, Jeter & soon to be ARod will help the Yanks to see more RH Pitchers which is a strength currently if the Yanks have one offensively.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock July 8th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    What I should say is I was not referencing your post as “hollow,” but others’ use of “optimism” here as hollow.

  93. ZachA July 8th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    I hope Gardner, Almonte and Ichiro brought game today.

    Our four through six:

    Hafner .224 BA
    Wells .233 BA
    Ishikawa .118 BA
    Cruz .140 BA
    Gonzalez .212 BA
    Romine .136 BA

    Only three batters in the lineup are batting over .235. Ouch.

  94. blake July 8th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    kd says:
    July 8, 2013 at 6:53 pm
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    anyone available on thetrade market that makes sense

    Tough question right now given the market hasn’t really formed yet. There will be marginal upgrades out there but they need a true prime aged middle of the order type bat I think if they seriously want to chase a title. Right now I don’t know if anybody like that will even be available or if the Yankees could get them. Should know more in couple of weeks

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock July 8th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    It love to feel like this team was a title contender….I just don’t….. Obviously Id love for then to prove me wrong and I’ll be cheering for them to do just that
    ///

    If Alex and Derek spit at the calendar and come back rejuvenated and healed, and they add a decent bat or two, and everything falls just right, you never know….

  96. RayVT July 8th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

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    I’m more optimistic because RSox usually fold like a cheap tent after AS Break. The Rays still lack consistent hitting & are a DL of Longoria for losing 10 games over a 2 wk period. The O’s are much more dangerous because they are 1 SP away from being a dominant team. (Cliff Lee anyone?)

    I think July will be a good month for the Yanks. First almost all of them will get a much needed rest (AS Break). 2nd, some true players will return. I am not concerned about Jeter not being Jeter because he only has to play ½ a season. Nunez & Musty can supply some depth too.

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock July 8th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

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    Oh yes, Almonte’s arrival has really helped. Young players who can hit give a team energy and good ABs. It’s a shame we don’t have more youngsters to plug in. Ichiro has been playing “young”. Robi started to get some pitches to hit, but he’s still going to have to deal with not getting pitched to and taking walks, which he’s been doing.

    Yes, the bench is unsightly. This is the New York Yankees!

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock July 8th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    RayVT,

    It’s true Jeter will be playing half a season and may thrive since he won’t be feeling the usual grind of a full season. If he and Alex both are restored to some semblance of health, both may benefit greatly, especially at their ages, from getting that break.

    I was sorry to see Adams go down. I think he was coming around.

    Good to see you posting more often!

  99. NYY_Girl_Penny July 8th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

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    Arod will have good games and bad games
    Granderson will help some too..

    out of those 4 players I love watching Jeter, perhaps it is more sentimental at this point but I still think he can give us 2 solid years.. regardless what the other 3 contribute/improve us.. I just do not enjoy watching them play.. I really don’t, they stress me out more than provide me satisfaction and I am sorry to say that but since PEDs testing got serious, Arod is worthless, Tex too.. and Granderson and his .232 and 200+ strike outs are so painful to watch even with his 40HR.

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