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Postgame notes: “Just in a little funk right now”

Posted by: vmercogliano - Posted in Misc on Jul 09, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Eduardo Nunez

The Yankees have certainty sent out some underwhelming lineups this season due to their never-ending list of injuries, but as far as the bottom of the order goes, I can’t recall a group that looked as punchless as the quartet that we saw hitting 6-9 in tonight’s 5-1 loss to the Kansas City Royals.

Newly acquired first baseman Travis Ishikawa hit sixth and was booed in his debut, striking out in his only two plate appearances. He was followed by Luis Cruz, Alberto Gonzalez and Austin Romine — three guys who might have a hard time finding Major League jobs elsewhere. Not exactly what I would call a recipe for success.

“We did it in Minnesota,” Joe Girardi said of this type of lineup putting up runs. “It’s kind of similar to what we had tonight, and we were able to do it in Minnesota. (Royals starter Jeremy) Guthrie has been tough. I’ve watched a couple of his starts, and he’s thrown the ball pretty well. He really kept us off balance.”

To Girardi’s point, the Yankees have found ways to score runs with similar lineups this season. They’ve fought and scrapped and probably exceeded expectations to this point, but the glaring need for more pop is becoming more obvious by the day.

That need was highlighted tonight due to Girardi’s decision to rest Lyle Overbay, Ichiro Suzuki and Eduardo Nunez, but he ended up using all three as pinch-hitters in the later innings. After that, the Yankees finally started to put guys on base in the seventh, eighth and ninth innings, but Nunez, Brett Gardner and Zoilo Almonte struck out consecutively with the bases loaded to end the game.

“You’ve got a real strikeout pitcher on the mound,” Girardi said of Royals’ closer Greg Holland. “And that’s exactly what he did.”

• The guys at the bottom of the order were like a black hole tonight, but it’s also clear that Gardner is slumping in the leadoff spot. He was having arguably his best season through the first three months of the season, but July has not been kind to him. He’s now just 1 for his last 25 and has struck out at least once in each of his last 16 games. “He’s just struggling a little bit right now,” Girardi said. “It started in Minnesota, and he was swinging the bat great before that. I mean unbelievable. As good as I’ve seen him swing the bat, and he’s just kind of been in a little funk right now. I can’t really put my finger on it. I think it was Friday night when he led the game off with a double, and I was thinking, ‘Maybe he’s out of it,’  but he’s just struggling a little bit.”

Phil Hughes• A 59-minute rain delay ended Phil Hughes’ night early. The rain came down in buckets in the bottom of the fourth, and Girardi elected not to send him back out when play resumed. Guthrie, on the other hand, did continue to pitch after the delay. “He really didn’t have a whole lot of pitches,” Girardi said of Guthrie. “I think he was at 36 at that point. Hughsie had worked a little bit harder, and I know Hughsie would be second (to pitch). I was thinking an hour and 15 minutes, I wasn’t comfortable bringing him back in.”

• Here’s Hughes on how the decision was made to pull him: “I was throwing in the cages. They asked me if I felt OK, and I said, ‘Yeah, I’m ready to go,’ and left it at that.”

• Hughes gave up two runs in the second, but said that he felt like he was beginning to find his groove after that. “It was tough,” he said. “I felt like I may have found something in the third or fourth inning. I was throwing the ball better, but that’s baseball.”

• Hughes was coming off of two excellent starts in a row, so he was disappointed that he couldn’t try and keep that momentum going. He only pitched four innings tonight, allowing four hits and no walks while striking out two. “There last few starts, I feel like I’ve kind of been finding myself,” he said. “It’s frustrating.”

• Seriously, how long do you guys think Ishikawa will stick around? I really don’t see the sense in keeping him, other than to maybe spell Overbay once a week. They’re both left-handed bats, and the Yankees are desperate for right-handed hitters. Overbay isn’t the most productive hitter around, but he’s certainly much more capable than Ishikawa. If he’s still here in two weeks, I’ll be shocked.

• In other nightly Derek Jeter update, The Captain went 0 for 2 with a walk and a run scored tonight at Triple-A. Reports are that he ran well and got a lot of work in the field.

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186 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Just in a little funk right now””

  1. Rich in NJ July 9th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    That they need an aging Ibanez is a stinging indictment of their farm system.

  2. Barry July 9th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    I don’t think Cruz was a black hole — quite the opposite.

  3. igotid88 July 9th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    sammiejohnson July 9th, 2013 at 12:13 am
    “We could’ve used that bat this season.”

    Hafner:
    .224/.322/.421/.743 12 HR/ 37 RBI

    RAUUUUUUUUUUUUUL:
    .257/.305/.554 /.859 22HR/ 50 RBI
    ————————–

    Hafner’s numbers were mostly because Wells was hitting earlier. Once Wells slumped it hurt Hafner. And for a time Cano.

  4. igotid88 July 9th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 12:16 am
    Mikey Z’s second hit!
    (could done w/o that passed ball, though)
    ————-

    When will Montero be ready for rehab games?

  5. igotid88 July 9th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Lester with 9 so-so to bad outings. I thought John Farrell coming back was supposed to help. Maybe he’s just not a good pitcher anymore. 4.82 last year 4.45 so far this year.

  6. Rich in NJ July 9th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    “I don’t think Cruz was a black hole — quite the opposite.”

    But for a part or 2012, he is a 29 year old who has had virtually no offensive career:

    http://www.baseball-reference......lu01.shtml

  7. UpState July 9th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    FWIW:

    Gardner is hitting .275 with RISP.

  8. sammiejohnson July 9th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Raul with RBI #51. M’s up 6-2 in B^.

  9. sammiejohnson July 9th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    *B6

  10. CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    igotid88 ~

    I believe he’s already had a couple rehab starts in AZ.
    Will eventually get back to AAA Tacoma to 1B/DH exclusively . . .

  11. Hankflorida July 9th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    Alfred, I agree with you that we had a misunderstanding, and you are totally right about those who are condescending to others without any dialogue and rational discussions. Since I am new to this blog, I was not aware of this fellow, Mick, until he questioned my commenting on Phelps because there may have been some negativity in my analysis; he answered me that I was a TV fan and not really a true paying fan as he was because I did attend the games. He did not choose to discuss my comment that Phelps was a finesse and not a power pitcher and that I was amazed when I would watch the catcher’s glove, how he was able to come close to putting the ball there, and when the umpire had a tight strike zone, he did not have a good outing. I answered him that I had been attending games for seventy five years, and since now I only had the summer months to be in be here on the far eastern end of Long Island, I think I deserved some slack in trying to analyze what I see on TV from my rocking chair. Mick’s answer to me was “The Sounds of Silence.”

  12. UpState July 9th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    “…no offensive career …”

    vs “Big-Time” Nunez

    ML Opportunities:

    Luis Cruz……573 AB’s ….7-55 – .239 (.267 OBP)

    Nunez………..534 AB’s ….7-55 – .264 (.314 OBP)

    …..for one player who’s “ragged-on” and another that is constantly praised’…

    Not much difference….

    We’re not even going into Fielding differences !!!

  13. sammiejohnson July 9th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    7-2 M’s. Who are these guys and what did they do with the real M’s?

  14. CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Justin starting to heat up. Good to see.

    7-2 M’s B7 (one on, one out)

  15. fantasygame101 July 9th, 2013 at 12:39 am

    2 strikeout for ishikawa, hr for overbay. One game, the move to acquire a lefty and use him did not do well. When I found out that ishikawa was a left handed bat, I thought why?

  16. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    id, he’s in a rehab game right now. I believe his 3rd one (?). He is playing 1B and has a double, but it is in our equivalent of GCL, and he’ll be moved up as he gets stronger.

  17. igotid88 July 9th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 12:29 am
    igotid88 ~

    I believe he’s already had a couple rehab starts in AZ.
    Will eventually get back to AAA Tacoma to 1B/DH exclusively
    ————————

    So he’s going to be a backup 1b/DH/3rd string catcher?

  18. Rich in NJ July 9th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    …..for one player who’s “ragged-on” and another that is constantly praised’…

    Not much difference….

    We’re not even going into Fielding differences !!!
    _

    As Cashman has said in his not very transparent dig at Yogi, Nunez is hardly an offensive juggernaut, but he is three years younger than Cruz, and OPS+ from 2010-13 with sample size caveats:

    Nunez: 82, 87, 97, 63
    Cruz: 56, (not in the ML in 2011), 106, 3 (single digit)

  19. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    repost

    yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:18 am
    I doubt they release Haf. Ain’t their style. They will keep hoping he reverts to his April form.

    And Raul was only useful at NYS.

    These days we just sign too many players who have gaping platoon and home/away splits.

  20. igotid88 July 9th, 2013 at 12:46 am

    Mattingly bringing his team to 3.5 games of 1st

  21. Rich in NJ July 9th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    The Dodgers are proving how valuable impact bats are.

  22. igotid88 July 9th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:45 am
    repost

    yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:18 am
    I doubt they release Haf. Ain’t their style. They will keep hoping he reverts to his April form.

    And Raul was only useful at NYS.

    These days we just sign too many players who have gaping platoon and home/away splits.
    ———————

    What could help is it looks like Wells is starting to hit again .444 this month.

  23. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:49 am

    Rich, does it have to be proven? ;)

  24. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Btw, those who spoke on my behalf the other day, I truly appreciate it.

  25. CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    “So he’s going to be a backup 1b/DH/3rd string catcher?”

    ~ ~ ~

    Not so sure about that third option.
    I’m pretty sure I saw the word “exclusively” preceding 1B/DH

  26. Nick in SF July 9th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    It’s a sad state of affairs when we’re all excited that the Red Sox are losing so we can stay 5 games out instead of 6.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    Hankflorida,

    Thanks for your response. Please continue to post here. Plenty of people appreciate the perspective of one who has watched and loved the team for as long as you have.

    My father saw Ruth play when he was practically a tot, even has a wink very similar to Ruth. I never tired of hearing his stories about Ruth, Gehrig, Joe D and all the rest. So please continue to share your memories and insights here – they are what links generations of fans!

  28. Nick in SF July 9th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    You’re welcome, yankeefeminista.

  29. Rich in NJ July 9th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    yf

    To some…

    _

    I don’t think I have ever agree with any of Nick’s posts as much as I do his 12:51am truthtastic post.

  30. CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    I think Felix is getting a bit antsy. This has been a long half inning . . .

    oh, lookie there, another run, now 10-2

    (didn’t I tell ya these kids have been getting it done lately?)

    :-)

  31. igotid88 July 9th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 12:51 am
    “So he’s going to be a backup 1b/DH/3rd string catcher?”

    ~ ~ ~

    Not so sure about that third option.
    I’m pretty sure I saw the word “exclusively” preceding 1B/DH
    —————————-

    Yea they don’t really carry 3 catchers. But I think in an emergency he would be. I still think he can be a decent catcher.

  32. igotid88 July 9th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:50 am
    Btw, those who spoke on my behalf the other day, I truly appreciate it.
    —————

    Can’t lose you

  33. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    id, no I recall that Jack Z. said that only this year would Montero not back up catcher because of the injury. I’ll try to find the quote if you want me to.

  34. Rich in NJ July 9th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    “What could help is it looks like Wells is starting to hit again .444 this month.”

    Can we trade him?

  35. igotid88 July 9th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 12:56 am
    id, no I recall that Jack Z. said that only this year would Montero not back up catcher because of the injury. I’ll try to find the quote if you want me to.
    —-

    I believe you. I didn’t factor in the injury

  36. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    id, thanks so much. I am not going anywhere. I have just been working a lot, so I’ve had little time to post the last few days.

    What’s the score? My mlb-tv quit. :(

  37. Nick in SF July 9th, 2013 at 1:01 am

    Bonus baseball in San Francisco for those of you who just can’t get enough.

  38. Captain Clutch July 9th, 2013 at 1:02 am

    I would DH Wells the next couple of games while Hafner sits. Wells is actually hitting a little bit now and at this point whoever hits has to play. I can’t stand Hafner swinging for a grand slam on every pitch.

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:02 am

    Yea they don’t really carry 3 catchers. But I think in an emergency he would be. I still think he can be a decent catcher.
    ///

    He’ll eventually hit the crap out of the ball and then they can list His position as batter’s box.

    Good to see He’s back.

  40. sammiejohnson July 9th, 2013 at 1:02 am

    10-3 M’s.

  41. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:03 am

    I wish I could get any west coast baseball; my mlb-tv just forced my other browser to quit. :(

  42. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:04 am

    Thanks, sammie.

  43. sammiejohnson July 9th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Now 10-4.

  44. Nick in SF July 9th, 2013 at 1:07 am

    Can’t you get the Mets local broadcast? They are the visitors in SF tonight.

    Neither Harvey nor Lincecum will get the decision tonight.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:10 am

    Montero might have really stressed out His knee joints with all that offseason work to improve His running technique. He was quicker, so I guess some of that stride and footwork paid off, but perhaps He was doing something that wasn’t entirely natural and therefore, stressful to the body.

  46. Nick in SF July 9th, 2013 at 1:13 am

    Former Yankee tweetmaster David Aardsma in for the Mets.

  47. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Nick, if I were in a room with a television… Since breaking my ankle, I sleep in a different area of the house, so once I retire, I am reliant on my laptop for mlb viewing. And even if I could get mlb-tv right now I’d be blacked out for Mets games, whereas with the Yankees I pay extra through my cable company, so I can watch YES in the NY metro area. It is pretty awesome; I can watch the Yankees even on my phone with no geographical restrictions. So, I am no longer tethered to the house for 162 games a year (minus national and ch. 9 games).

  48. Rich in NJ July 9th, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Isn’t Montero a 1Bman now? That’s what I thought he probably would end up as here (if he wasn’t traded for a big young bat) once they rid themselves of Tex’s onerous contract.

    That will/would really help him, imo, as well as getting away from Safeco.

  49. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:15 am

    Nick, how’d Lincecum look?

  50. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:16 am

    It will definitely help his bat. Catching is a grind.

  51. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:16 am

    …of course you lose some value, but still think he’ll hit. And yeah, Safeco sucks.

  52. CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 1:17 am

    J Al ~

    Truth be told, I don’t think he was any quicker. He really had an odd running style and despite his work in the off season, I didn’t see any difference.

    I do hope that he heals fast and well and can develop into the hitter so many thought he could be.

    wow – bases loaded again. At least their getting a lot of chance to improve their abysmal hitting w/RISP ;-)

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:17 am

    Rich,

    Let’s sign Him when He’s 27 and a free agent. Sure, it would help Him to play in our park, and it will help us :D

  54. CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 1:17 am

    *they’re

  55. Nick in SF July 9th, 2013 at 1:21 am

    yankeefeminista, I didn’t see much of the game while Lincecum was in. Our game went long and then I went out for dinner.

    But I see that he gave up 3 ER in 7 innings, with 1 BB and 11 K, so he must have looked a lot better than he did to start the year.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:21 am

    J Al ~

    Truth be told, I don’t think he was any quicker. He really had an odd running style and despite his work in the off season, I didn’t see any difference.

    I do hope that he heals fast and well and can develop into the hitter so many thought he could be.
    ////

    I said quicker, not faster ;). And I did see a difference. Been watching that youngin for a long, long time. I share your good wishes for him to heal quickly and fully. He’s had a rough going, what with getting hit in the head twice behind the plate and perhaps being run ragged a bit early on when they attempted to fast-track his catching acumen. He’ll be fine :)

  57. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:22 am

    I didn’t realize Omar Luis pitched today. You expect that the Latinos will go to GCL, but darn, why can we get some of these guys in SI (esp. now that the games are streamed on milbtv)…

    2.1 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 3/1 GB/FB

    Chad, can you get an update on Banuelos? He was making progress, but suddenly … nothing.

  58. CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 1:23 am

    re: Safeco . . .

    not sure if it’s the shorter fences or just a bit better hitting in general but, the M’s are hitting a tick better at home (average-wise) so far this season. They still have more homers on the road but, more doubles and more RBI at home (in a couple less games).

    ==

    going to top 9 (11-4 good guys :-) )

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:25 am

    How could we get the Twins to give us Miguel Sano? I understand it’s pronounced “Suh-NO!” Imagine having Ca-NO and Sa-NO in the same infield.

    Yes, I know it’s unlikely that Minnesota would deal him, and certainly not to its nemesis. OK, I’ll settle for Machado, instead :D

  60. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:25 am

    Thanks, Nick. 3 ER 11 K’s and got through 7. Good to hear. I’ve always liked Timmy.

    Yeah, I could see the difference in his running as well. Not that he will ever be anything but a below average runner. Anyway, glad he is on the road back.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:26 am

    Go Margaret! :D

  62. Nick in SF July 9th, 2013 at 1:29 am

    I thought Montero looked a little quicker that night he tripled. I compared the footage with some of his earlier triples and, sure enough, he had become 15% blurrier.

    https://twitter.com/sftweeindieguy/status/329789052620517376/photo/1

  63. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:31 am

    Ha! Just after I wrote that I read that Manny is doing very nicely. I bet he pitches this year if all goes well. :)

  64. sammiejohnson July 9th, 2013 at 1:33 am

    Final at the Safe. 11-4 M’s.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:34 am

    yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:22 am

    I didn’t realize Omar Luis pitched today. You expect that the Latinos will go to GCL, but darn, why can we get some of these guys in SI (esp. now that the games are streamed on milbtv)…

    2.1 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 3/1 GB/FB
    ////

    We need those high upside southpaws. Maybe we get him in SI next year.

  66. CompassRosy July 9th, 2013 at 1:36 am

    “Whenever we get on the board for FiFi, good things are going to happen for us.”
    —Justin Smoak

    One down, three to go . . .
    Keep that MoJo flowing in a westerly direction Yank fans :-)

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:37 am

    That blur you see is merely transubstantiation in action. He does it, oh, forty or fifty times a day. A bit more on Sundays.

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:38 am

    Margaret had 11 Ks??

  69. Nick in SF July 9th, 2013 at 1:42 am

    “You couldn’t grok my racecar but you dug the roadside blur”

    – The Magnetic Fields, “Swinging London”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgDIStmjCd0

  70. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:43 am

    Nice pic of the seemingly but not actually fleet-footed Jesus.

    Good job by M’s. Wish that we had been rained out. Robinson and the Replacements will hopefully soon be Robinson, Alex, and Jeet (the latter who will likely–hopefully– be better than replacement level…

    Good Night; hoping to see C keep his mojo working.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:44 am

    Confirmed: Margaret 11K, 1BB, 6H, 3ER in 7IP.

  72. yankeefeminista July 9th, 2013 at 1:45 am

    the latter referring to Alex and Jeet (and I expect Derek to be very good and Alex to be good enough…)

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:45 am

    Robinson and the Replacements
    ///

    LOL. Good job, champ809
    ///

    I’m turning in also.

    Nice work tonight, Rosy, keep it up! :)

    And Baltimore loses, good job, Buck.

    Night, folks

  74. Nick in SF July 9th, 2013 at 1:47 am

    Confirmed???

    Yet another LoHud insult. :neutral:

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 1:48 am

    I think I used up a week’s worth of Lohud quota tonight.

    Goodnight ladies, Goodnight sweet ladies.

    Good night.

    Good night.

  76. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 7:02 am

    Yawwwwwwwn. Morning all.

    Thank god the M’s won last night.. we’re still just 5 games back.

  77. Rick in San Fernando July 9th, 2013 at 7:08 am

    I’m shocked, the greatest team ever in the strongest city ever have lost 3 games in a row, and we’re still just 4 games back in the loss column.

  78. Triple Short of a Cycle July 9th, 2013 at 7:21 am

    What was Joe’s defense in resting all those guys tonight? And then he goes ahead and credits the opposing pitcher?

  79. pkyankfan69 July 9th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    Eric Hosmer is going to be a beast despite the sort of slow start to his career (still only 23).. The Royals already tried to sign him to an extension and he and Boras turned them down… Hosmer is a FA the offseason when Tex’s contract expires, and he’ll still only be 27…, long way down the road but it looks like there is at least a pretty decent chance he will be the next Yankee 1B.

  80. blake July 9th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    “Hosmer is a FA the offseason when Tex’s contract expires, and he’ll still only be 27…, long way down the road but it looks like there is at least a pretty decent chance he will be the next Yankee 1B.”

    Yea he could be really good by then…..of course I think the days of the Yankees being certain to sign anybody are over.

  81. blake July 9th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Joe can’t possibly think this is “junk a little funk”…..he’s just spinning for the media when he says stuff like that and trying not to throw anybody under the bus.

    He knows this offense is terrible and that they need help.

    If the Yankees want to win this year they are going to have to act…..they aren’t good enough and won’t be even when the “calvary comes back”.

    That said…..they should avoid making a now move if it also doesn’t make sense long term. If they can improve the club by either trading excess or secondary prospects then fine……if they can improve the team by trading for a star that’s controllable then fine (even if it hurts the system)…….but the #1 thing they should not do is trade away good young players for a quick fix this year. They just aren’t good enough and aren’t in a strong enough position to do that.

  82. austinmac July 9th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    The days of the Yankees trying to sign any good free agent may be over. I can’t wait until they trade Heathcott for Michael Young. Let’s put all our eggs, financial and otherwise, into the broken basket.

    Looking at the two teams last night–which one looks better going forward? We can say that about virtually every team.

  83. austinmac July 9th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    What can Girardi say after these games? He can’t publicly say these guys are no good, Cashman has not put together a winning group or we simply are awful offensively.

    I read in one of the NY papers this morning the Yankees starters’ ERA is 16th in baseball. Yes, but we usually have a good bullpen. We dress nicely on road trips and are polite to the fans. That is about as positive as I can get.

  84. BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    ” Hosmer is a FA the offseason when Tex’s contract expires, and he’ll still only be 27…, long way down the road but it looks like there is at least a pretty decent chance he will be the next Yankee 1B.”

    —–

    Sign him for 8/$180 maybe?

    Yanks need to be more careful about handing out huge deals to just anyone.

  85. blake July 9th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    “The days of the Yankees trying to sign any good free agent may be over. I can’t wait until they trade Heathcott for Michael Young. Let’s put all our eggs, financial and otherwise, into the broken basket.”

    yea this is the sort of move they need to avoid…..I’m ok trading for Young I guess if he doesn’t really cost anything but I don’t see him as making a difference.

    As I said the other day….A Yankees move would be to take Mauer’s contract from the Twins and forget about the budget…..assuming the Twins would trade him. They couldn’t ask for a ton in players in the Yanks are taking all that money and Mauer makes them a legit offense again if combined with the returning players.

    I don’t even know if that’s possible…..just throwing it out there…..but adding fringe retreads and old guys on expiring contracts isn’t going to be good enough this time I’m afraid.

  86. sunny615 July 9th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    a little funk… a 162 game funk.

    what a punchless pathetic offense. Good plan Girardi.

  87. austinmac July 9th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    I would love Mauer as he is one of the best hitters in a baseball. Unfortunately, I think we have a better chance cloning Ruth. I have seen and heard nothing that leads me to believe they are still not dead set on $189.

    Young would be better than what we have. However, I agree he would not be a difference maker. Neither, I fear, will Jeter. Even if he can play semi-regularly, hit .280 with five homers, where does that really take the offense?

  88. blake July 9th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    “Neither, I fear, will Jeter. Even if he can play semi-regularly, hit .280 with five homers, where does that really take the offense?”

    I do think Jeter provides an intangible leadership quality……but tangibly the way he can help most is to hit lefites like he always has. That’d help a good bit…..it’s hard to know what exactly we can expect from Jeter or Alex…..serious injuries they are both coming back from at 38 and 39 years old.

  89. Rick in San Fernando July 9th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Girardi could acknowledge that he didnt put the best possible lineup out there last night, accept responsibility for the loss, for the lineup and the bullpen management.

    No intelligent reason to sit Nunez last night. And if someone (luis) really thinks that he was sat because Guthrie hits our batters, then the person is an idiot. If he sat Nunez for that reason, why not sit Cano? Cano is infinitely more valuable to the team than Nunez is.

  90. Rick in San Fernando July 9th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    And enough with this Batter A struggling with the bat in front of Batter B affects the quality of pitches that Batter B gets and at bats of Batter B. i.e. Hafner struggled after Wells started struggling.

    Ask Jerkface. Studies have illustrated that it doesn’t matter what the guy in front or behind of Batter X does. If Batter X is not getting quality pitches, or being thrown strikes, he has the ability to take a walk.

  91. pkyankfan69 July 9th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    I wasn’t advocating signing Hosmer in 3 years.., just connecting the dots that seem to fit… The way baseball is trending who knows how many elite hitters (yes I’m projecting) will reach FA when they are only 27? Obviously post steroid era, it seems like giving out 7+ year deals to guys over 30 is a big time no no.

  92. Tackelberry July 9th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Sure didn’t take Ishikawa long to incur the wrath of the Stadium faithful did it? LOL!!!!!

  93. blake July 9th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    “Obviously post steroid era, it seems like giving out 7+ year deals to guys over 30 is a big time no no.”

    yea….there really isn’t an example of it actually being a good thing.

  94. jacksquat July 9th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Hafner is taking walks, it’s one of the things he’s good at.

    He still has a .730 ops vs rhp, which is not that good, but…

    Arod .717 ops vs rhp last year

    Jeter .723 ops vs rhp last year

    So simply dumping Hafner to put those guys at DH vs rhp may not be an improvement.

    Granderson however had a .839 ops vs rhp last year.

  95. austinmac July 9th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    I think the fans were more angry at having Ishikawa than at Ishikawa.

  96. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    I think the fans are getting a little antsy.. Ishikawa paid the price yesterday lol. Mo did the night before when boos rained down after the HR.

    Can’t believe Mo is playing on a 4th place team right now.. I really hope that some of our guys can get back and make a difference. Is Granderson even close?

  97. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    austinmac July 9th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    I think the fans were more angry at having Ishikawa than at Ishikawa.

    ————-

    Haha, you said it better than I did.

  98. jacksquat July 9th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Granderson is not really close. Can’t swing a bat yet.

  99. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Sources: Francoeur agrees with #SFGiants.

  100. pat July 9th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    JakeCave8
    The Riverdogs are doing some volunteer work this morning for Hope Week. This should be fun

  101. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    jacksquat July 9th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Granderson is not really close. Can’t swing a bat yet.

    —————

    That’s what I last heard but I wasn’t sure if I missed any new developments.

  102. Rick in San Fernando July 9th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    I got banned from a Patriots forum for the reason “a Yankee fan troll” when my name was NE Fan and all I said was…

    Our coach preaches “Winning Cures Everything.” The Patriots Way has always been winning with no regard for anything or anyone else.

    That was in response to a guy that said the Patriots will easily win the AFC East this year (which is true) and all this Hernandez stuff will be forgotten.

    I dont understand how they assumed I was a Yankee fan troll??? I couldnt be a Yankees fan and a Patriots fan? Plenty of those bandwagoners exist. I never even mentioned the Yankees, either.

  103. jacksquat July 9th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Our SS’s this year: .212 .272 .286

    Our 3B this year: .229 .291 .310

    Yeah I think Jeter and Alex can be a big improvement.

  104. MG July 9th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    This team is incredibly boring on offense.

    Memo to Cashman: bring up Jeter TODAY, it’s enough already…

  105. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    squat – Yeah I’d say so. Even if both guys come in and hit .250-.260 and OBP at .300 we’ll see an improvement.

  106. blake July 9th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    “Yeah I think Jeter and Alex can be a big improvement.”

    yea….probably….will Alex be significantly better than Adams would have been had they just let him play the rest of the year? I don’t know…..Adams was finally starting to produce a little.

    I think it’s a bad idea to play Alex a lot a 3B to be honest…..it’s gonna be interesting how they work this because Derek and Alex are both going to have to DH a lot I’d think. It’ll be easy vs LHP but vs RHP I’m not sure……Joe is pretty good at rotating players….probably depends on how they play.

  107. blake July 9th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    keithlaw ?@keithlaw 33m
    I’m not. Both just have some work to do. “@PJBork2: @keithlaw why are you down on Heathcott and Austin?”

  108. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    blake – Alex to 1B!!!!! :twisted:

  109. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Austin has really come on over the past month. So has Mason, thankfully. Just have to hope they keep it up. Heathcott really hasn’t show much with the bat, unfortunately. I was hoping he’d post better numbers.

  110. blake July 9th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Shame,
    that’s absolutely something they should consider…..I hope they are

  111. blake July 9th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    have to remember on both Austin and Heathcott that they are still young for AA.

    Nick Castellanos hit .264 .296 .382 .678 in AA last year…..they promoted him to AAA anyway this year and he’s done much better….probably simply because he’s older and more experienced.

    Prospect predicting is in some ways an exercise in futility because all these guys try to project on a snapshot……they try to taste the meal before it’s done and predict the final flavor. You just can’t do that accurately…….I’d have love for Mason, Heathcott, and Austin to have crushed in the first half……but I wouldn’t give up on them…..they all still have time.

  112. bruceb July 9th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Red Sox are as bad on the road as they are good at Fenway. Unfortunately, the Yanks’ offensive deficiencies seem to be magnified at the Stadium, where they are only five games over .500.

    I guess that’s what happens when you have no Plan B. It seems our only formula for victory (at least at home) is our starter going seven innings and then handing the ball over to DRob and Mo. And, as we saw on Sunday, even then that’s no guarantee of success.

  113. MG July 9th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    And Girardi should have his head handed to him for sitting Ichiro, Overbay, and Nunez last night against a guy like Guthrie who can pitch.

    Whoever recommended signing Ishikawa should be DFA along with Ishikawa, he K’ed 2X and looked pathetic against a guy who, as Singleton said, doesn’t get very many strikeouts.

  114. Tackelberry July 9th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Austin has really come on over the past month. So has Mason, thankfully. Just have to hope they keep it up. Heathcott really hasn’t show much with the bat, unfortunately. I was hoping he’d post better numbers.

    ____________________________________________________

    The jump from SIngle A to DOuble A is probably the toughest to adjust to. SOme guys it takes longer than others. Lets see how the 2nd half goes as both have started to come on recently. DOn’t know whats with Mason though. THought since he’s repeating A ball, he’d be doing much better. We’ll see how 2nd half goes.

  115. Chip July 9th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    blake July 9th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    keithlaw ?@keithlaw 33m
    I’m not. Both just have some work to do. “@PJBork2: @keithlaw why are you down on Heathcott and Austin?”
    —————–

    Given that they’re both young players in AA I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that assessment.

  116. Chip July 9th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I’m trying to figure out why the Yankees chose to claim Travis Ishikawa but not Eric Hinske…

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    The best looking 3B prosPect to me as far as our system goes is Miguel Andujar who I couldn’t locate but who reportedly disappeared because of an ankle Injury. He’s rehabbing and should resurface in cOming weeks.

  118. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    To all those who poo pooed my Hanley Ramirez idea, bear witness.

  119. MG July 9th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Chip July 9th, 2013 at 9:37 am
    I’m trying to figure out why the Yankees chose to claim Travis Ishikawa but not Eric Hinske…
    ——————–
    I’m trying to figure out why the Yankees chose Travis Ishikawa over the trashcan outside the stadium, what were they thinking?

    If you want someone to give Overbay some rest, go sign a guy who hits right handed and can play 1st base, it could be anyone and he would be an improvement over Ishikawa.

  120. NYYROC July 9th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Don’t understand why Cashman thinks recycling other teams’ castoffs will help NYY. He runs the team as if he’s running a FBB team…try to pick up somebody, anybody who may get hot for a week.
    Have read recent comments about this team being similar to 70s NYY, Horace Clarke Yankees…Horace would be one of the better players on this team, unfortunately. Just goes to show the sad state of the roster/ player development. How does Cashman keep his job?

  121. Chip July 9th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    How about:

    Yankees get: Michael Young and Carlos Ruiz
    Phillies get: Joba, Brett Marshall and Austin Romine

    Feinsand had an article this morning in the NY Daily News that the Phillies are interested in Joba and are willing to dump Mike Young in a cost saving move. Marshall is redundant in the system with all the mid to back end RHPs and Romine, as much as I believe in his potential, is being passed as a prospect by JR Murphy.

    Young’s not a particularly good fielder at 3b, but he certainly has to be a better offensive option than Luis Cruz and once Alex comes back, Young can rotate with Hafner and Overbay in a 1b/DH role.

    Ruiz is coming off a 50 game drug suspension and hasn’t been particularly strong this year, but clearly would be an upgrade over Romine and likely Stewart as well – though I can’t knock Stewart too badly – as pathetic as he is – he hasn’t been as awful as I thought he would be getting this much playing time.

  122. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    blake – To me, letting him get some work there is a no brainer. Even next year when Tex is back, he’s shown an ugly split that Alex might be able to balance out. As long as we’re without an everyday 3B, he’ll probably get the majority of his work there, but I wouldn’t mind him rotating between DH, 1B and 3B. The more versatility he can offer you the better. Plus, I think he’d basically play wherever the Yankees asked him to.

  123. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    MLB TRADE RUMORS

    This year, contenders such as the Yankees, Dodgers, Indians, and Red Sox could be in the market for help at the hot corner. Here’s a look at the potentially available players.

    Starters

    Chase Headley (Padres), Aramis Ramirez (Brewers), Michael Young (Phillies), Alberto Callaspo (Angels)

    It’s been made pretty clear by this point that the Padres don’t intend to trade Headley, and would like to talk about an extension during or after the season. Still, it’s hard to ignore the Padres dropping nine straight and Headley’s solid play since the end of his abysmal June. GM Josh Byrnes would surely at least listen to offers this month, wouldn’t he?

    Ramirez, also one of last year’s best offensive third basemen, does seem eminently available. There are three problems with that. One, he’s 35 and may be slipping defensively, perhaps to the point where an AL team wouldn’t expect or want him at the hot corner for all of next year. Two, he’s under contract for 2014. That’s not necessarily a problem until you see that he’ll earn a $16MM salary plus a $4MM buyout on a mutual option, essentially making him a $20MM player next year (not counting a discount for deferred money). Ramirez has shown repeatedly that he can provide $20MM worth of value. However, bringing us to our third issue, he’s slugging just .414 this year. That may be nothing more than a month-long slump, but the timing isn’t great for the Brewers if they want to get out from the contract, get back solid young players, or both.

    Young, in his first crack at the National League, has fared mildly better than in 2012. At this point the 36-year-old is a complementary offensive player with a poor defensive reputation and a good clubhouse reputation; a contender may pick him up mostly for that reason. Callaspo is a similar player in some ways, but he’s signed through next year.

  124. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    If they can’t make a major move for a 3B, I think their best bet is getting whatever young guy is performing in that spot up to play with Alex.

  125. Chip July 9th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    There’s a fourth issue with Aramis Ramirez – he’s hurt.

  126. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    MLB TRADE RUMORS

    This year, contenders such as the Yankees, Dodgers, Indians, and Red Sox could be in the market for help at the hot corner. Here’s a look at the potentially available players.

    Starters

    Chase Headley (Padres), Aramis Ramirez (Brewers), Michael Young (Phillies), Alberto Callaspo (Angels)

    It’s been made pretty clear by this point that the Padres don’t intend to trade Headley, and would like to talk about an extension during or after the season. Still, it’s hard to ignore the Padres dropping nine straight and Headley’s solid play since the end of his abysmal June. GM Josh Byrnes would surely at least listen to offers this month, wouldn’t he?

    ___________

    Easily the most interesting passage of that piece.

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    HeathcOtt no matter how sucky some of his ABs have been always manages to flash some Genuine pOp in every game I’ve attended.Arm & speed too make the point that may be well worth the wait to see if his hitting can mature / catch up with a nice toolbox

  128. sar515 July 9th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Why not give Randy Ruiz a right-handed “big hairy monster” a chance to be Shane Spencer or Shelly Duncan for a few weeks? Makes more sense than Travis I….

  129. comnsnse July 9th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Hughes-ie??? WTF is it with these goofy hockey diminutives! ;)

  130. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    KRIS BENSON EX WIFE ARRESTED

    According to law enforcement, Kris — who filed for divorce last year — reported that Anna showed up in a rage last night after being forced by the court to vacate their marital home. Kris says Anna arrived and immediately whipped out an “expandable metal baton,” threatening to hit him.
    But it didn’t stop there … Kris told police Anna then pulled out a handgun and demanded money. She must have been expecting Kris to pull a gun on her too … because she was allegedly wearing a bulletproof vest at the time of the alleged assault.

    According to the police report, Kris told Anna he would get her the money following the altercation … but then left the home and called police instead.

    This is the latest — and easily the saddest — twist in the Kris Benson-Anna Benson story. She was the ex-stripper wife who vowed to sleep with the entire New York Mets team if he cheated on her.

  131. Tackelberry July 9th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Why claim Ishikawa, another lefty bat, instead of Russ Canzler, a RH bat which they could use alot more?

  132. bruceb July 9th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    The dilemma facing Cashman and ownership now is to decide whether they seriously think this roster is going to be good enough to make the post-season.

    If they think it is, they’re probably going to make a move or two that will cost us in the long-term. We sure as hell don’t need any more veteran cast-offs on this team. I was pilloried by one poster yesterday for describing them as “garbage,” but what other word would you use when we’re picking up other people’s cast-offs and paying them good money?

    Yes, they have achieved something by reaching MLB level, but no way should the likes of Francisco, Brignac, Ishikawa, Cruz and Gonzalez be wearing pinstripes at any stage during their career. I’d much rather persevere with a player like Adams than see these stiffs in the lineup night-after-night.

    What’s going to happen in 2014 when payroll is reduced to $189 million? I fear this group will simply be replaced by another set of “has beens” or “never weres” released by their clubs at the end of the season. Perhaps that instead of going to the winter meetings, Mr. Cashman should set up stall at Disneyland and catch a few more redundant baseball players taking a family vacation?

  133. Chip July 9th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Tack -

    Canzler was designated yesterday right? So maybe they will claim him.

    FYI – it’s not a good sign that we’re hoping for Russ Canzler.

  134. Chip July 9th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    I said it before and I still believe it. I think Cashman will continue to do what he’s doing, avoid major deals and when asked say that he’s getting a potential number one pitcher, an all-star short stop and CF, quality 3b and catcher all without having to give up anything.

  135. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Chip July 9th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    I said it before and I still believe it. I think Cashman will continue to do what he’s doing, avoid major deals and when asked say that he’s getting a potential number one pitcher, an all-star short stop and CF, quality 3b and catcher all without having to give up anything.

    ————-

    If they do that they are crazy but I don’t doubt it… there’s so much ‘if’ in there it’s scary.

  136. blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Headley would make the Yankees a lot better…..honestly if they could acquire him I’d move Alex into a 1B/DH rotation. I bet Alex could play a nice 1B…..of course those creaky hips might not let him stretch much.

  137. Chip July 9th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Headley would make the Yankees a lot better…..honestly if they could acquire him I’d move Alex into a 1B/DH rotation. I bet Alex could play a nice 1B…..of course those creaky hips might not let him stretch much.
    ——————

    Two questions:

    1. What are you willing to give up to get Headley
    2. What are you willing to pay to keep Headley

  138. blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    “I said it before and I still believe it. I think Cashman will continue to do what he’s doing, avoid major deals and when asked say that he’s getting a potential number one pitcher, an all-star short stop and CF, quality 3b and catcher all without having to give up anything.”

    I think this is what they’ll do also…..and if the prices are outrageous for impact players or they can’t get impact players on the trade market it’s what they should do……..we as fans just shouldn’t believe it’ll be good enough because it’s not likely to be this year.

  139. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Robertson has moved up to second place in the All Star voting.. keep at it folks.

  140. MG July 9th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    the Yankees really need another major league catcher-they could afford to put Romine out there occasionally if they were a strong offensive team. With this lineup they’d be better off hitting the pitcher and using the DH for him.

  141. Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Chip – Regarding question #2.. I’m not even completely sure they’d need to keep him. They could just trade for him to be the 3B over this season and next and let him walk (make the QO and get a pick) or trade him again at the deadline.

  142. mick July 9th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Yes, they have achieved something by reaching MLB level, but no way should the likes of Francisco, Brignac, Ishikawa, Cruz and Gonzalez be wearing pinstripes at any stage during their career. I’d much rather persevere with a player like Adams than see these stiffs in the lineup night-after-night.
    ==============
    Well , don’t know your age but some will have to go into storm shelters and get ready for the Apocalypse that will be losing Yankee baseball. It could last years until Hal sells but , not to worry, you will come thru it fine as millions of others did in past down times. In the meantime , get ready, forecast the doom and prepare….

    Oh btw, that bs the other night was not about optimism or pessimism, as one proferred.
    It was about the constant negative/realistic drone here that I hope permeates the life of those that propagate it.

  143. Chip July 9th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Shame Spencer July 9th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Chip – Regarding question #2.. I’m not even completely sure they’d need to keep him. They could just trade for him to be the 3B over this season and next and let him walk (make the QO and get a pick) or trade him again at the deadline.
    ———————-

    I’m not sure that you can give up the kind of talent that it would likely take to get him and then let him walk after a season and a half.

  144. bruceb July 9th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Robertson is a good pitcher and a great guy but does he actually deserve to get in ahead of Delabar?

    I’ve voted for him out of loyalty and also for Puig. I don’t care how many games the kid has played, he’s an overnight sensation and the ASG will be a lesser occasion without him at Citi Field.

  145. blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    “Two questions:

    1. What are you willing to give up to get Headley
    2. What are you willing to pay to keep Headley”

    I’d give up a good package….obviously not a Giancarlo Stanton one but I’d give a good bit for him considering he fits a need perfectly and is signed through next year. Probably Nova, Phelps, or Hughes + one of the Outfield prospects…+ 1 or 2 more secondary guys.

    What would I pay to keep him? I probably wouldn’t extend him now…..I’d want to see how he handled NY and how he played the rest of the year. Probably need to gauge that this winter or next season…..

  146. blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    “I’m not sure that you can give up the kind of talent that it would likely take to get him and then let him walk after a season and a half.”

    depends on what it’d actually take to get him though I guess…..luckily most of the contenders have a good 3B so there aren’t a ton of teams will pressing needs there. The Braves and Angels are ones that could really use him also.

    I don’t have a good feel for what it would take now…..his value is certainly lower than it was last winter. The Padres are sorta stuck….personally I’d probably keep him and hope he had a strong 2nd half and then try to trade him this winter if I didn’t get a big offer. If he has a good 2nd half then they might could even get more for him then than now.

  147. mick July 9th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Oh, btw…last nights thread was pitiful.
    One night away and looking back on it objectively, it was pathetic.
    If I were first coming in here to post ,I wouldn’t ,after reading the neurotic byplay between some
    that “hijacked” the board.

  148. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Headley would be a dream player for Girardi who likes to mix and match. Headley can play 3B, 1B and RF plus he bats both ways. I would think SD would want Nova headlining that package. That would sting but Headley is an impact bat who is versatile on a team that is very limited. Plus if you don’t put Nova in there other teams can outbid us. We have no can’t miss prospects.

    I would think Cashman would prefer to bring in Michael Young and keep Nova. And his argument would be the one everyone keeps mentioning – he’s getting back Jeter, Granderson, Cervelli, Arod, Pineda etc. etc.

  149. austinmac July 9th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Yankees upgrades–must they all come in the form of a released player? And are they upgrades at all?

    I would trade Austin, Heathcott or Williams along with some other pieces for Headley. I would certainly include Hughes and Joba as the other pieces.

  150. Chip July 9th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    I have no idea what it would take to get Headley either.

    My guess though is that it would probably be something like:

    Nova, one of the three outfielders, Sanchez and another prospect pitcher (DePaula?)

  151. fantasygame101 July 9th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    I wanted Ian stewart, we got luis cruz. I wanted a right handed platoon 1b, we got a left handed 1b. Let us put this to test, I want a bad right handed catcher.

  152. blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I’d trade Nova for Headley and not really have to think more than half a second about it.

  153. Frankg July 9th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Get Headley if he has a non-profit foundation. He’d fit right in the rest of the under-performing millionaires we have on the team. I have some respect for players who used PEDs. At least they were trying to do something to perform better. These other happy talk millionaires seem to be on Ambien.

    The Yankees are trying to develop a winner by developing talent and making judicious acquisitions. The success of the Pirates and Oakland vindicates Steinbrenner’s move along these lines. Can’t we win with smart management, rather than by overspending?

  154. NYYROC July 9th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Fantasy…trying a “Costanza”! Good idea.

  155. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Nova + Mason Williams + filler

  156. blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “Nova + Mason Williams + filler”

    in a heartbeat. JMO

  157. Tackelberry July 9th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:39 am
    “Nova + Mason Williams + filler”

    in a heartbeat. JMO

    ____________________

    that still wouldn’t get it done

  158. Tackelberry July 9th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Chip July 9th, 2013 at 9:58 am
    Tack -

    Canzler was designated yesterday right? So maybe they will claim him.

    FYI – it’s not a good sign that we’re hoping for Russ Canzler
    _________________________

    I know. Point is, why claim another lefty when a righty platoon would make more sense?

  159. UnKnown July 9th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Mickstra what happened you guaranteed a win last night because you were going to the game. Your last few predictions have been a bit off. Might have to drop the “stra” at the end if this keeps up.

  160. austinmac July 9th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “Can’t we win with smart management, rather than by overspending?”

    We an win just as often as the Pirates have won in the past 20 years. They are shooting for their first .500 season since the early 90s. That is not the path I recommend for the Yankees. The A’s history is not too great either with a few good seasons and many bad ones.

    If mediocrity is the goal of the once richest team, they can achieve it and save money. If the goal is to make a ton of income, they need to use their wealth to create an exciting and winning team.

  161. PacoDooley July 9th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:19 am
    “Two questions:

    1. What are you willing to give up to get Headley
    2. What are you willing to pay to keep Headley”

    I’d give up a good package….obviously not a Giancarlo Stanton one but I’d give a good bit for him considering he fits a need perfectly and is signed through next year. Probably Nova, Phelps, or Hughes + one of the Outfield prospects…+ 1 or 2 more secondary guys.

    What would I pay to keep him? I probably wouldn’t extend him now…..I’d want to see how he handled NY and how he played the rest of the year. Probably need to gauge that this winter or next season….
    ————————

    Would take a lot more to land Headley. They have no interest in Hughes since he will be a free agent after the year. Phelps is a mediocre talent and Nova has never shown enough consistency to get anyone excited. I think it takes a package like Austin+Sanchez (more likely Austin or Sanchez + a couple of decent pitching prospects).

  162. blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Headley 3B
    Granderson LF
    Arod 1B
    Hafner DH
    Cervelli C
    Ichiro RF

    If they could get a lineup like that healthy by September then they’d have a chance maybe.

  163. PacoDooley July 9th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Check that – I honestly hadn’t noticed how much of a down year Headley is having – could try to buy him on the cheaper side, but I still doubt that they take a low ball offer for him

  164. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    One thing to bear in mind is Headley is contracted for only 1.5 seasons. If the Padres wait until the off season, he is a 1-year rental. He’s practically a rental already.

    No GM would empty their farm for him so if you did that you’d probably be bidding against yourself, especially considering how he has performed in 2013.

  165. PacoDooley July 9th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:56 am
    Gardner CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    Headley 3B
    Granderson LF
    Arod 1B
    Hafner DH
    Cervelli C
    Ichiro RF

    If they could get a lineup like that healthy by September then they’d have a chance maybe.
    —————–

    More likely to have someone else at 1B (Overbay?) and perhaps A-Rod at DH. I also don’t see Cervelli really making a return this season and think that C could be their target on the trade market.

  166. blake July 9th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    “I think it takes a package like Austin+Sanchez (more likely Austin or Sanchez + a couple of decent pitching prospects).”

    perhaps…..his value is down a bit and a lot of the contenders are set at 3B. It could be that the Padres just wouldn’t trade him now and sell low. It depends on what other teams offer……I’d be hesitant to trade Sanchez but anybody else would be fair game.

  167. blake July 9th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    “One thing to bear in mind is Headley is contracted for only 1.5 seasons. If the Padres wait until the off season, he is a 1-year rental. He’s practically a rental already.”

    true but if he tore it up in the 2nd half this year like he did last year then 1 year of that Headley might be worth more than 1.5 years of the current one……if I’m the Padres then I’m shopping him now but if I don’t get what I’m after I’d wait and hope he plays well the rest of the season. I wouldn’t trade him just to trade him…….

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Can’t we win with smart management, rather than by overspending?
    ///

    By definition, wouldn’t that require a smart GM?

  169. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Why not just call up JR Murphy to catch? Are they afraid to hurt his trade value? He’s a fresh 22 year old catching in AAA and hitting over .300 with a near .900 OPS. Perhaps the perception of his trade value has yet to match his actual value?

  170. comnsnse July 9th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Mick @10:18.

    “Constant negative drone permeating the board, board hijackers and neurotic byplay”?

    Maybe the droning is tinnitus and frankly when watching this current version of the NYY is a boring as it has been, a little bantering is welcome for anyone interested in doing so.

    Do you prefer the incessant transcendental platitudinous prattle of pontification from some here?

    It seems to me you actually had a sense of humor not long ago. ;)

  171. Wave Your Hat July 9th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    blake, you are dreaming about Headley, the Yanks don’t have the horses to get it done. I think you are overestimating the appeal of Nova, Phelps and Hughes.

  172. UpState July 9th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    pkyankfan69 July 9th, 2013 at 7:31 am
    Eric Hosmer is going to be a beast despite the sort of slow start to his career (still only 23).. The Royals already tried to sign him to an extension and he and Boras turned them down… Hosmer is a FA the offseason when Tex’s contract expires, and he’ll still only be 27…, long way down the road but it looks like there is at least a pretty decent chance he will be the next Yankee 1B.

    ——————————————————

    Good train of thought on future FA’s that the FO should be monitoring.
    Connecting the dots.
    I’d like to think the FO has been doing this all along.

  173. comnsnse July 9th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    As for these proposed trades for Headley.

    Why would a team with no recent success stories with respect to positional players trade half of the alleged best to obtain one player, given the fact we need positional players at numerous positions.

    Everyone here talks constantly about “let’s give the kids a chance”, now wants to trade them by the bushel full for a single player to do what?

    Possibly make the playoffs this year and once again be eliminated by more talented teams?

    Does anyone actually believe we are only one player away from a dynasty?

    I’d guess that Cashman is looking to be a seller not a buyer and Yankee fans with a long term view should fell likewise.

  174. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Cashman is going to be a lukewarm buyer and pick up Michael Young in an Austin Kearns type deal that looks nice now and burns us later, something like Warren for Michael Young.

  175. DONNYBROOK July 9th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    - IF IT’S ME -

    (1) I tell Cruz and Cano to knock off the razzle-dazzle before the mustard falls off the hotdog. The Needless backhanded flips and barehanded catches are just that.

    (2) If it comes down to it, I hang onto Ichikawa, and Cut Hafner. At least Ichi actually fields a position.

    (3) Keep Wells outta RF. They are running on him at will.

    (4) Get my 3B Coach to be More aggressive. We shoulda scored in the 9th. Once on a hit, and again on a WP. You can Not let the score paralyze your offense, especially one this anemic. Putting pressure on the D, can lead to even more runs. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, was the theme of the 9th inning for the Yankees last night.

  176. jacksquat July 9th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Given that the team is still only 1 game back in the loss column for a wild card spot, and with Jeter, Arod and Granderson possibly significantly improving the lineup, and with it being Mariano’s last season and possibly Pettitte’s, I’m not a seller. Only if July is disastrous.

  177. G. Love July 9th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    If Joba and a prospect or two (not top one’s) could net us Ruiz and Michael Young from Philly, get it done.

    It improves the roster and they’re not signing Joba long term here nor is he netting the Yankees a pick in free agency.

    That said, Cashman never lets the real trades leak like that.

    Which tells me another team wants Joba and Cashman is using Feinsand to get them to give him what he really wants in exchange for Joba.

    I think the Philly rumor is all smoke.

  178. LGY July 9th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    (4) Get my 3B Coach to be More aggressive. We shoulda scored in the 9th. Once on a hit, and again on a WP. You can Not let the score paralyze your offense, especially one this anemic. Putting pressure on the D, can lead to even more runs. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, was the theme of the 9th inning for the Yankees last night.

    ————–

    Why would a team that ranks 13th in the AL in OBP willingly run into more outs?

  179. Jesus Bustero July 9th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    ATL and SF were scouting Joba so maybe Cashman was trying to prod one of them. I’d like to trade for Pablo Sandoval. Before anyone flips just check his numbers. They’re not that great.

  180. Mike in Harrisburg July 9th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    The “scouts in Miami looking at Ruggiano” rumor got me excited. He’s Desmond Jennings-ish.

  181. blake July 9th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    “blake, you are dreaming about Headley, the Yanks don’t have the horses to get it done. I think you are overestimating the appeal of Nova, Phelps and Hughes.”

    I never said they could…..just said what I’d give. You could be right.

  182. DONNYBROOK July 9th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    (1) Being “aggressive” and “running into outs” are Not 1 in the same. Rudimentary.

    (2) Pablo Sandoval is a perfect example of judging a player solely on his numbers. Kinda like marrying someone based solely on their measurements. Very short term gratification.

  183. Frankg July 9th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Yes, I believe they will claim Canzler, if he is available. But in case he isn’t, Ish will fill in nicely and give us a chance to rest Overbay, until we can find someone better.

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock July 9th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/

    The plan is to take today off before returning to shortstop tomorrow, possibly for seven innings. After that? Maybe another day at DH on Thursday, then a full nine innings at short on Friday. Could those nine innings come in the Bronx against the Twins? I think it’s very possible if not downright likely.

    “If you think about it, in Spring Training, I don’t think I’ve played nine innings in a Spring Training game in 15 years. So I don’t think necessarily there’s a big difference between seven innings, nine innings,” said Jeter to Begley as he continued to lobby for an early return. “I don’t know what their plan is, but I don’t see that being an obstacle. I think it’s more of just day-to-day, as opposed to how long in a day.”

    :D

  185. austinmac July 9th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    I think Cashman will add a right handed older bat such as Young. If he gives up a player of value for him, I will not be happy. They will do so because Hal is starting to develop an uncomfortable feeling about attendance for the rest of the year. They will act as if Young will make a difference and we should be excited. Another all star in the lineup.

    Some day I would like to add someone who could be an all star in the future and not in the remote past. There I go dreaming again.

  186. austinmac July 9th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    The Red Sox are also apparently interested in Young. Why trade when you can wait until other players are released? Team building at its best.

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