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  1. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Chip July 10th, 2013 at 11:45 am
    Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Regarding ARod and his possible suspension, the situation is a legal fiasco.
    How can ARod be suspended if he did not fail a drug test?
    Where does MLB get the nerve to believe a convicted drug dealer? So because this man
    says ARod is guilty, MLB is going to believe him and punish ARod?
    These are all good questions to ask.
    ——————–

    The Drug Prevention language in the CBA doesn’t require a player to fail a drug test to be suspended for the use of illegal drugs. The fact that a player bought banned substances is enough to warrant the suspension.

    If Bosch has records to back up what he says and those records are authentic then yes, MLB will take his word over Alex’s and, most likely, so will an appeals board.

    They are good questions to ask but remember that the Union agreed to these regulations, it’s not like MLB is making this up on the fly. They are using what Alex’s representatives in the Union collectively bargained for.
    ————————————————————————-
    Thanks for the info and for the knowledge. I feel like I was just given a lesson!!!
    I guess the key is “if” Bosch has the records to back up his claims. I’m sure ARod and the Union’s lawyers will argue the records are bogus.
    Like I said earlier, regardless of he said vs he said, the entire situation is a legal fiasco
    that will more than likely include a lot of appeals and players playing MLB games even though
    they were technically suspended.

  2. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    ————————————————————————-
    Thanks for the info and for the knowledge. I feel like I was just given a lesson!!!
    I guess the key is “if” Bosch has the records to back up his claims. I’m sure ARod and the Union’s lawyers will argue the records are bogus.
    Like I said earlier, regardless of he said vs he said, the entire situation is a legal fiasco
    that will more than likely include a lot of appeals and players playing MLB games even though
    they were technically suspended.
    ———————–

    No problem.

    It’s hard to prove that the records are bogus if you have the guy who kept the records saying that they’re valid.

    Also, just an aside, the Union’s lawyers aren’t involved in this at all – Alex, Braun, etc have to get their own representation. Union lawyers will watch the process to make sure that the CBA is followed, but other than that they’ll stay out of it.

    As for the number of appeals – I think the CBA only allows for one.

  3. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Chip
    I nominate you to represent ARod. I think you can secure a win with
    that brain of yours, LOL!!!

    Honestly, the entire process is going to bore me. I can imagine how much air time
    ESPN is going to dedicate to the situation with ARod.

  4. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    luis July 10th, 2013 at 11:52 am
    Chip July 10th, 2013 at 11:36 am
    Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    “That’s because they’re tired of being burned by long term deals. ”

    Long term deals are going to burn you eventually more often than not. You have to think, OK, for the first three or four years we’ll get a $40M season for $25M, then take our lumps at the back end. The problem is the Yanks now have too many back ends.
    —————-

    Correct, and they also haven’t seen as much return on the front ends as they would have liked with some of their recent deals.

    ////

    Because they were given to a 33 year old 3B and to a 28/29 1B with an uppercut swing that wouldn’t age well… Bad talent evaluation….Also, LT deals should be reserved for mid 20?s guys

  5. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    The Yanks are Not paying roughly 80% of TEX’s contract, and the meter is currently running on how much they will Not pay A-Rod. Let’s see how much of that coin Hal shell’s out at the Trade Deadline. Soriano should be available, maybe Adam Dunn, as should rentals Schierholtz and Kubel.

  6. Mike Ri July 10th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Per RAB-

    Via Ken Rosenthal: The Yankees are ?aggressively pushing? both Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes on the trade market. He hears Joba could be moved to an NL club soon. Another source says that while the team is talking about both, nothing is imminent. The non-waiver trade deadline is exactly three weeks away.

    Good . .

  7. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Thanks for posting the trade update for Joba and Phil. Won’t surprise me at all.
    Joba has to go. He has worn out his welcome and his 5 ERA tells the entire story.
    Hughes is an average pitcher and is not worth the money he is going to ask for next season.

  8. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Was watching the R\Sox last night, and listening to them whine and cry about how Hard they have been bit by the injury bug. Hysterical in comparison to the Yankees.

  9. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    I wish them well Mike… But I think it is the right move… Hughes could be part of a o package to get Headley… You give the Padres a window to negotiate and extension… It would be great for both teams… Hughes would thrive at Petco and we get a much needed 3B bat… It will also lower the price in prospects… So in my mind, it is a no brainer

  10. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    WTP -

    But I want Alex and the others to lose – whatever your thoughts on PEDs are – they are banned and the players in question knew that before taking them. I also think that some of these suspensions could have a huge impact in pennant races (Nelson Cruz in Texas for example) and that kind of thing could lead to the union allowing for even stricter rules in the next CBA and more players policing themselves.

  11. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    As for Joba, I imagine that Cashman’s phone lines are burning up for an out-of-shape pitcher who can’t get anyone out.

  12. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Chad,

    I wouldn’t trade Hughes for short term offense… If I am trading, I am trading with the long term health of the franchise in mind…. Arod, Jeter and Granderson won’t solve our problems

  13. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Chad,

    If I could move Tex’s contract, I would do it in a heartbeat

  14. Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    “If I could move Tex’s contract, I would do it in a heartbeat”

    Tex has a no trade, doesn’t he? The Yanks gave them out like candy.

  15. Mike Ri July 10th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Tex has a no trade, doesn?t he?

    Yes, he does.. Tex isn’t going anywhere….

  16. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    As for Joba, I imagine that Cashman’s phone lines are burning up for an out-of-shape pitcher who can’t get anyone out.
    ————————————————————————————————–
    Joba can probably be traded a lot easier then Hughes. Only because there will be a team
    out there convinced Joba can be an effective starter. Joba won’t get the Yankees much
    in return, but he has to be traded.

  17. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Phil Hughes, Vernon Wells and a non-prospect (we’ll call him Dante Bichette) for Alfonso Soriano.

    Do you do it?

  18. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    “If I could move Tex’s contract, I would do it in a heartbeat”

    Tex has a no trade, doesn’t he? The Yanks gave them out like candy.

    ==========================

    Yes and yes… I was commenting on answer Chad gavein the chat… He basically said that he wouldn’t want to move Tex’s contract… Boy, if I could I would get rid of it yesterday…. Paying 23 mil for a platoon 1B is a waste of resources… And he is only going to get worse, not better

  19. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    As for Joba, I imagine that Cashman’s phone lines are burning up for an out-of-shape pitcher who can’t get anyone out.
    ————————————————————————————————–
    Joba can probably be traded a lot easier then Hughes. Only because there will be a team
    out there convinced Joba can be an effective starter. Joba won’t get the Yankees much
    in return, but he has to be traded.
    —————

    If Joba was under contract for next season I would agree with you. But no team is going to trade anything of value for Joba just to send him down, stretch him out as a starter and then see him demand starter money as a free agent.

  20. Mike Ri July 10th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Buster (on) WEEI radio.

    Yanks feel blocked . . they can’t make an agressive move on the market …. They have to wait to see what they get out of Jeter Arod and Granderson…. (Michael Young would be a nice fit in NY ) .

  21. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Again, if you really want to trade for an impact bat that is going to help the team make the playoffs now and in the future then the guy you have to deal is Kuroda.

  22. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Mike Ri July 10th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Buster (on) WEEI radio.

    Yanks feel blocked . . they can’t make an agressive move on the market …. They have to wait to see what they get out of Jeter Arod and Granderson….
    ——————————-

    It’s absolutely what I expect and it’s absolutely the wrong tactic to take. If you’re Cashman you have to operate as if you’re not getting anything from them. And even if you do get them back at the levels they were at last year, that doesn’t abate the need for a bat at 1b at the very least.

  23. blake July 10th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa 2m
    In the latest sign that Jeter will be back this weekend, NYY has shipped his stuff from Tampa to the Bronx: http://nyp.st/1749Ovc

  24. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Phil Hughes, Vernon Wells and a non-prospect (we’ll call him Dante Bichette) for Alfonso Soriano.

    Do you do it?
    ———————————————————————————————-
    NO.
    Been there and done that. Soriano is just another old ex Yankee and this team
    does not need him around(again)

  25. Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    “Phil Hughes, Vernon Wells and a non-prospect (we’ll call him Dante Bichette) for Alfonso Soriano.

    Do you do it?”

    If I had tripped, hit my head and was under the influence of a severe concussion, didn’t know who or where I was and was under the impression Alfonso Soriano was Yasiel Puig, yes.

  26. Mike Ri July 10th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    It?s absolutely what I expect and it?s absolutely the wrong tactic to take. If you?re Cashman you have to operate as if you?re not getting anything from them. And even if you do get them back at the levels they were at last year, that doesn?t abate the need for a bat at 1b at the very least.

    —-

    I agree 100 percent Chip

  27. blake July 10th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Buster (on) WEEI radio.

    Yanks feel blocked . . they can’t make an agressive move on the market …. They have to wait to see what they get out of Jeter Arod and Granderson….

    lol….pul….lease….poor Yankees being ganged up on. Same spin every year.

  28. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Chip July 10th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Phil Hughes, Vernon Wells and a non-prospect (we’ll call him Dante Bichette) for Alfonso Soriano.

    Do you do it?

    ============================

    Nope… I would trade Hughes, Bichette and a lesser pitching prospect for Headley.

    I would trade Wells straight up for Soriano though ;)

  29. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa 2m
    In the latest sign that Jeter will be back this weekend, NYY has shipped his stuff from Tampa to the Bronx: http://nyp.st/1749Ovc
    ———————————————————————————————
    I had a feeling Jeter would be back this weekend on Monday. Nobody should be surprised.
    He will play today and tomorrow and then return to NYC on Friday. Just in time
    for the 3 games series vs Twins

  30. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    No matter what Cashman says right now about trades, I don’t believe a word.
    Cash could be using the media to send out a false message. All the GM’s do that.

  31. Against All Odds July 10th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    They have to wait to see what they get out of Jeter Arod and Granderson….

    ——————

    Eppler pretty much said the same thing on Monday.

  32. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    In any case… I am with JAP… No trades of significant impact to the Yankees should be made as long as Cashman is at the helm of the organization… Hughes and Joba make sense to trade because they have no future on the team going forward… Still, it irks me just the thought of what we might get in return.

  33. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Hey Odds,

    They live in “Alice in wonderland” if they think those guys will take us over the top… Unless of course they turn back the clock

  34. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    In any case… I am with JAP… No trades of significant impact to the Yankees should be made as long as Cashman is at the helm of the organization…
    _

    He likely isn’t going anywhere and there is no reason to believe that they will be any better at developing prospects in the future than they have in the past, so given that reality, I think they have to make moves.

  35. G. Love July 10th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    blake,

    Saw that Olney tweet and thought it came from Cashman’s iPhone.

    I swear to God, if they are setting us up for another “our prices are higher than other teams” spin, then I’ll go ballistic and after seeing Mo’s last game will never pay money to go to Yankee stadium again.

    If the talent level was so untouchable in the Yankee organization, they wouldn’t be hitting .100 for the season.

  36. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    In any case… I am with JAP… No trades of significant impact to the Yankees should be made as long as Cashman is at the helm of the organization…
    _

    He likely isn’t going anywhere and there is no reason to believe that they will be any better at developing prospects in the future than they have in the past, so given that reality, I think they have to make moves.

    =============================

    This is sad….

  37. champ809 July 10th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Firstly

    All on here who think Joba is out of shape I challenge you to do 1 of his daily workouts with him….he’s in excellent shape and he’s anything but a lazy player.

    I think Amaro’s interest is in having Joba replace Papelbon as the teams closer after they Jettison Pap’s to Detroit most likely ( I’m sure he’s thinking he can pry Castellanos loose ) which would be two very shrewd moves on his part.

    trade1- Joba for 49yr old Micheal Young

    trade2- Papelbon for Castellanos

    Joba gets a 2 month audition as the closer and resigns for 3yrs/18mil almost the same $ Paps makes for 1yr.
    Castellanos takes over his natural position of 3B and plays an All Star level 3B for the next 10 years.

    He then goes all out trading Utley to the Dodgers for Joc Pederson

  38. blake July 10th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    “I swear to God, if they are setting us up for another “our prices are higher than other teams” spin, then I’ll go ballistic and after seeing Mo’s last game will never pay money to go to Yankee stadium again.”

    lol…..I don’t want them to make a bad trade just to do something but I don’t know if I can handle another “the prices make me want to cry” trade deadline……nobody feels sorry for you Brian…..

  39. Against All Odds July 10th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Hey Odds,

    They live in “Alice in wonderland” if they think those guys will take us over the top… Unless of course they turn back the clock

    —————-

    They live in the world of “the players we get back is like making a trade” Sure it s if those guys are in or around their prime. No player coming back from injury this season is even a yr or 2 removed from their prime.

  40. G. Love July 10th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    luis,

    Joba is bullpen fodder now. He is not what he could’ve been.

    Hughes is a back end starter who is terribly inconsistent and unable to pitch well in our park. He is not what he could’ve been.

    Losing the two of them hurts nothing and it doesn’t matter what we get in return for them as they both are not part of the long term plans.

    I don’t trust Cashman trading a peanut butter sandwich for someone else’s lunch in the break room, but seeing those 2 pitchers leave town isn’t going to be a huge deal.

    They have to trade to get offense. They are still in this despite the offense being the worst I’ve seen in a long time.

  41. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    luis

    The older I get that I have to deal with what is rather than what I wish things would be.

    I am expecting a bad trade because I think Francesser is right that they are all-in this year, damn the facts.

  42. blake July 10th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    “I think Amaro’s interest is in having Joba replace Papelbon as the teams closer after they Jettison Pap’s to Detroit most likely ( I’m sure he’s thinking he can pry Castellanos loose ) which would be two very shrewd moves on his part.”

    if Castellanos is available then Cashman should swoop in and offer D Rob or something to get him…..I love Drob but he’s a reliever and replaceable….they need young and good position players. I don’t think Detroit would trade Castellanos for an expensive and banged up Papellbon anyways.

  43. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    *The older I get that I have to deal with what is rather than what I wish things would be.*

    Edit: The older I get the more I realize that I have to deal with what is rather than what I wish things would be.

  44. G. Love July 10th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    blake,

    If the talent level was so untouchable that every offer Cashman received was an insult, we’d be undefeated and all our prospects will be thriving at the major league level by now.

    I’m sick of the “we’re the Yankees and they won’t play fair with us” spin.

    Assess the roster, assess the players in the minors. They all can’t make it up here.

    Make some moves where you’re deep in the system. It’s not brain surgery.

  45. blake July 10th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 1m
    #yankees r dangling phil hughes in hopes of acquiring a hitter. rival exec predicts they’ll succeed. http://cbsprt.co/12mdo3P

  46. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    “Make some moves where you’re deep in the system. It’s not brain surgery.”

    Where are they deep? Catchers? Relievers? I am really reluctant to trade Sanchez or Murphy. Watching Stew is making me sick.

  47. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 1m
    #yankees r dangling phil hughes in hopes of acquiring a hitter. rival exec predicts they’ll succeed. http://cbsprt.co/12mdo3P
    _

    They will get someone who isn’t a pitcher, if you call that success.

  48. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    G. Love July 10th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    luis,

    Joba is bullpen fodder now. He is not what he could’ve been.

    Hughes is a back end starter who is terribly inconsistent and unable to pitch well in our park. He is not what he could’ve been.

    Losing the two of them hurts nothing and it doesn’t matter what we get in return for them as they both are not part of the long term plans.

    I don’t trust Cashman trading a peanut butter sandwich for someone else’s lunch in the break room, but seeing those 2 pitchers leave town isn’t going to be a huge deal.

    They have to trade to get offense. They are still in this despite the offense being the worst I’ve seen in a long time.

    ================================

    I agree in principle… They should be traded and we need offense… Headley would be a nice target if available… Hughes would do well at Petco

    I just don’t agree on your assestment on Hughes… For me, he is a Mid-Rotation SP… The only consistent pitchers are the number 2′s and 1′s of a rotation… But yeah, NYS is not an ideal venue for him

  49. jacksquat July 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 8:57 am
    “The crying about Martin is ridiculous.”

    no it’s not….he was a legit starting catcher and they didn’t have one and still don’t. Cervelli hadn’t played in the big leagues in over a year……they gambled big time at the catcher position and crapped out. Martin gave them a chance…..he actually said in a report that he offered to take a one year deal and they said no….he wanted to stay….they wanted to prove how smart they were and let Chris Stewart frame pitches to victory……

    If Martin wanted to play for the Yankees so badly he shouldn’t have taken the Pirates offer like 2 seconds into the offseason.

    And they sure could have a reasonable expectation that Cervelli could at least have equalled the ops of Martin in 2012, because that’s what he had averaged in his career so far.

  50. Hankflorida July 10th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Based on the budget restraint that Cashman was under when he let Swisher walk, he signed players that would not be detrimental to the cap. How can he be faulted by these transactions when injuries continued to plague even these players. As an example and based on Granderson increasing his home run total from 4% to 6% when he left Detroit for the Yankees, he signed Boesch for less then 2 million hoping that he also could increase his power numbers. An outfield of Granderson playing regularly with Ishiro and Gardener and Boesch and Welles sharing playing time would certainly have mirrored last years home run and RBI’s. If Hal’s mantra is adhering to the cap, what about this outfield for next year if Granderson is flexible.

  51. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    “If Martin wanted to play for the Yankees so badly he shouldn’t have taken the Pirates offer like 2 seconds into the offseason.”

    Martin doesn’t have unlimited leverage. A player in his position who may have had a time-limited offer can’t be blamed for grabbing it.

  52. luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    luis

    The older I get that I have to deal with what is rather than what I wish things would be.

    I am expecting a bad trade because I think Francesser is right that they are all-in this year, damn the facts.

    ==============================

    Now I am about to vomit… All in?, don’t they realize that we just don’t have the pieces to go all the way?

  53. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    “Now I am about to vomit… All in?, don’t they realize that we just don’t have the pieces to go all the way?”

    luis

    The primary goal is to make money, not win championships. Making the playoffs provides a windfall for them.

  54. jacksquat July 10th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    luis July 10th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    luis July 10th, 2013 at 11:52 am
    Chip July 10th, 2013 at 11:36 am
    Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    “That’s because they’re tired of being burned by long term deals. ”

    Long term deals are going to burn you eventually more often than not. You have to think, OK, for the first three or four years we’ll get a $40M season for $25M, then take our lumps at the back end. The problem is the Yanks now have too many back ends.
    —————-

    Correct, and they also haven’t seen as much return on the front ends as they would have liked with some of their recent deals.

    ////

    Because they were given to a 33 year old 3B and to a 28/29 1B with an uppercut swing that wouldn’t age well… Bad talent evaluation….Also, LT deals should be reserved for mid 20?s guys

    I don’t recally anyone objecting to the Teixeira contract when he was signed. The general feeling here and everywhere was “woohoo!”. It was a good contract, only signed through age 36. His decline starting at only age 30 was predicted by no one.

    This one is not the Yankees’ fault. It’s on Tex.

    Stop trying to pile even more stuff on Cashman that he doesn’t deserve.

  55. G. Love July 10th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    I think they’ll make the qualifying offer to Grandy and it’s 50/50 he takes it.

    It’s really about whether there is a long term market for him out there more than the qualifying offer.

    The only reason they don’t do that and try to take advantage of the lost season he’s having now is if Hal tells Cashman 189 is set in stone and they can’t afford Grandy at 14 million for 1 year and go with a healthy Boesch in that role.

    I think Grandy could get a 2 year 20 million offer on the market. It’s just a question of if he wants that or to rebuild value in NY in a park where he can hit 30-40HR’s. The injuries he’s had are freak one’s this season, but I don’t think there’s a 3 year 45 million contract out there waiting for him off a season in which he barely played.

  56. Jerkface July 10th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Like JS says, the Tex deal was fine, its not doing something now that its obviously not a good deal that is the problem.

  57. jacksquat July 10th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    “If Martin wanted to play for the Yankees so badly he shouldn’t have taken the Pirates offer like 2 seconds into the offseason.”

    Martin doesn’t have unlimited leverage. A player in his position who may have had a time-limited offer can’t be blamed for grabbing it.

    I don’t blame him for grabbing it, but don’t expect the Yankees to sign you that quick and (allegedly) say you would have signed for only one year for the Yankees.

  58. G. Love July 10th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Jacksquat,

    I’m with you on Martin to some extent. Most of this blog did not really want him back. I think many, including myself, were hoping for something inspired happening to replace him at C like signing AJ or making a trade or something.

    There’s a ton of Monday Morning QB’ing going on here re: Martin because the Pirates are good now.

    That said, I can’t blame him for taking the Pittsburgh offer. The Yankees were hemming and hawing and doing the “1 at a time” BS and he had to take advantage of whatever market he had.

    Had he passed on the Pirates deal, he could’ve found himself looking at a 1 year 5 million deal from the Yankees in the end.

  59. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    There was nothing wrong with losing Martin other than not replacing him at all.. not even at the C position but in ANY position on the field. They let go a bunch of guys and didn’t replace their production in their spot or anywhere else to make up for it. It’s really beyond the scope of a singular player.

  60. Jerkface July 10th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Almost every hitter has a kind of weakness where you can project a long term deal won’t go well. Cano has crap for plate discipline and a growing batting split, Luis, so can’t sign him. Tex’s left hand swing wasn’t pretty, but it wasn’t ‘immediately decline’ ugly. He crashed hard, which is basically unforeseeable.

  61. G. Love July 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Listen, I absolve the Yankees from the Tex deal.

    He duped us and he will go down as one of the worst long term contracts in Yankee history.

    That he declined after 1 great season here is not acceptable. I can’t blame the Yankees being a little gunshy after seeing him turn into a platoon player.

    The Yankees made the right move at the time based on his numbers and his defense.

    I’ll blame the Yankees on the Arod deal because that felt like it materialized out of nowhere. The Yankees set the market on him before the market was even set. It was just a bizarre negotiation and the way it’s turned out is as bad as Tex’s contract.

    That 50 million a year on the two of them is misspent and holding this team back.

  62. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    “I’m sick of the “we’re the Yankees and they won’t play fair with us” spin.”

    me too….put on the big boy pants and do something…..or at least stop complaining about it.

  63. luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    JS,

    I wasn’t here in 2008-09… I didn’t like the signing then… But I understand the logic behind the signing and that it was unlikely that his decline would start so soon… I just knew that when he started to decline it would be ugly

  64. Captain Clutch July 10th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Yanks feel blocked . . they can’t make an agressive move on the market
    —————–

    That is ridiculous. If Cashman can get Young or Headley you make them the everyday 3rd basemen, Arod DH and release Hafner. Or try to get a 1st basemen to platoon with Overbay or if it’s a lefty release Overbay. It’s very simple 3rd base, DH and 1st base is open right now but Cashman will probably take the easy way out and probably do nothing. Or he will trade Hughes for nothing when another gm would have gotten something good.

  65. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Speaking of the PED scandal and the amount of coverage ESPN has devoted
    to the news yesterday & today, I forgot that Montero’s name is on that list.
    Could that be the reason he failed so much at the beginning of the 2013 season???

  66. jacksquat July 10th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Yanks just got unexpectedly burned on the Tex deal.

    And while I wish sometimes Hal would spend some more money, I do understand that they can’t just keep replacing 20+ mil players with additional expensive players all the time. They could but it’s kind of unrealistic.

  67. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    The Yanks got burned on Tex…..and I also don’t blame them for signing him…..but there were always warning signs with his swing that made a long term deal risky at his age.

  68. luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    erkface July 10th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    Almost every hitter has a kind of weakness where you can project a long term deal won’t go well. Cano has crap for plate discipline and a growing batting split, Luis, so can’t sign him. Tex’s left hand swing wasn’t pretty, but it wasn’t ‘immediately decline’ ugly. He crashed hard, which is basically unforeseeable.

    ========================

    I would be hesitant to give Cano a 7 year deal… 5 with an option… The difference is that Cano’s swing is almost perfect, while Tex’s is a perfect example on ” How not to teach a baseball swing manual”… Sure, Cano impatience at the plate works against him going forward and his LH splits are troublesome… But I think he will adjust his approach at the plate ( be more selective, he has shown he can )… His splits against LHP are somewhat skewed by the fact that he has no one to protect him and feels that he needs to swing the bat, no matter what

    Still, I would have either extended him last season or traded him this winter

  69. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Arod should take steroids like crazy now…..what’s be got to lose at this point

  70. Kelvin July 10th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Lmao I agree with Blake’s thinking. Genius.

  71. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Here’s what’s even dumber about Cashman saying he needs to wait and see what he gets from Alex, Granderson and Jeter…isn’t this the same GM who brought in Kuroda, Pineda and Andy despite already having CC, Burnett, Hughes and Garcia – thus giving him a surplus of pitchers? His statement at the time was that you can never have too much pitching and these things work themselves out.

    So why does that not apply to other areas of the game.

    If the Yankees got Michael Young and Alex Rios in trades and then Alex and Granderson come back healthy and able – would it be a huge problem to have Young move to 1b over Lyle or to let Curtis DH instead of Hafner? How would having a better, deeper team be a problem for the Yankees?

  72. G. Love July 10th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    blake,

    I actually think at this point Arod should come out and try to convince the world that we all can be made better through chemistry/pharmaceuticals.

    I’m not kidding. He’s lied about using/not using so many times now, he might as well become some kind of anti-aging PED guru.

  73. austinmac July 10th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Yes, they will trade Hughes for an old, expiring contract 36 year old.

  74. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    G love,

    Ideally he should convince Tex to take some too!

  75. jacksquat July 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    When suspended a player is not paid, right? So Arod does have something to lose. And the 3rd time is life, whole contract gone?

  76. luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Chip July 10th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    Here’s what’s even dumber about Cashman saying he needs to wait and see what he gets from Alex, Granderson and Jeter…isn’t this the same GM who brought in Kuroda, Pineda and Andy despite already having CC, Burnett, Hughes and Garcia – thus giving him a surplus of pitchers? His statement at the time was that you can never have too much pitching and these things work themselves out.

    So why does that not apply to other areas of the game.

    If the Yankees got Michael Young and Alex Rios in trades and then Alex and Granderson come back healthy and able – would it be a huge problem to have Young move to 1b over Lyle or to let Curtis DH instead of Hafner? How would having a better, deeper team be a problem for the Yankees?

    ==================================

    Because Pitching holds the keys of the kingdom?? and he has a dream? ;)

  77. G. Love July 10th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    blake,

    I think Tex stopping them after signing his deal here is part of the problem if I’m being honest.

    The drop in numbers and ligament injuries remind me of Giambi when he went off the sauce. Giambi used to be a .300 hitters until he got caught and had health problems from his use.

  78. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    austinmac says:
    July 10, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    Yes, they will trade Hughes for an old, expiring contract 36 year old.

    It’s inevitable

  79. Captain Clutch July 10th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    If Dombrowski or another good gm had Hughes and Joba I would to love what they would get for them vs. what Cashman will get. A good gm could do wonders with this team when given $210m to work with.

  80. luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    austinmac July 10th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    Yes, they will trade Hughes for an old, expiring contract 36 year old.

    =========================

    It’s right on their age brackett

  81. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Captain Clutch July 10th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    If Dombrowski or another good gm had Hughes and Joba I would to love what they would get for them vs. what Cashman will get. A good gm could do wonders with this team when given $210m to work with.
    —————————————————————————
    Why don’t we just wait & see what Cashman does before making a judgement.
    Just because fans here want Cashman to make a certain trade does not mean the team
    on the other end of the phone wants to make that trade.
    It takes 2.
    Sometimes the best trade is the trade that is NOT made.

  82. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    G. Love,
    honestly I don’t think Tex ever used…..I just think his swing is so mechanically flawed from the left side that when age started to hit it hit very hard…..he could use some juice now though…and now from his juice press.

  83. jacksquat July 10th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Nolasco was pitching better than Hughes the Marlins only got 3 mediocre minor league pitchers for him, so I don’t know what could be expected for Hughes.

  84. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    I think how much the Yankees can get for Hughes largely depends on if there is a team out there that thinks he’s a #2 starter in their ball park……there could be.

  85. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    jacksquat July 10th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    Nolasco was pitching better than Hughes the Marlins only got 3 mediocre minor league pitchers for him, so I don’t know what could be expected for Hughes.
    ———————————————————————————————
    Maybe the Marlins GM was incompetent & if Cashman was the Marlins GM, he would
    have made a better trade.
    Ever think of that??

  86. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Hughes has a 3.38 ERA on the road this year…..somebody might think he’s closer to that pitcher in a bigger ball park…..and he might be.

  87. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
    I think how much the Yankees can get for Hughes largely depends on if there is a team out there that thinks he’s a #2 starter in their ball park……there could be.
    ————————————————————————————————
    Hughes is a fly ball pitcher. A starting pitcher that specializes in fly balls is NOT
    a good fit at Yankee Stadium. If Hughes was a reliever for the Yankees, then he would
    have a lot of success.
    But he’s a starter and he has to go. Not a good fit at Yankee Stadium.
    It’s that simple.
    I hope he does well for another team. I just know that as a Yankee he can’t succeed
    as a starter.
    Imagine if he played in SF. That park is huge. All of those fly balls that are HR’s in
    Yankee Stadium are easy outs in SF.

  88. jacksquat July 10th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    jacksquat July 10th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    Nolasco was pitching better than Hughes the Marlins only got 3 mediocre minor league pitchers for him, so I don’t know what could be expected for Hughes.
    ———————————————————————————————
    Maybe the Marlins GM was incompetent & if Cashman was the Marlins GM, he would
    have made a better trade.
    Ever think of that??

    Sure I thought of it, any opinions here on that trade? Did the Marlins not get enough for Nolasco? He makes 4.5 mil more than Hughes but his ERA+ is better.

  89. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    I think it’s hilarious that Harvey is getting killed today….guess everyone forgot this group photo. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......um=twitter

  90. luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
    I think how much the Yankees can get for Hughes largely depends on if there is a team out there that thinks he’s a #2 starter in their ball park……there could be.

    ========================

    Petco would be nice for him… They have a certain 3 baseman that we could use… Win-win for both teams…

  91. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
    I think how much the Yankees can get for Hughes largely depends on if there is a team out there that thinks he’s a #2 starter in their ball park……there could be.

    ========================

    Petco would be nice for him… They have a certain 3 baseman that we could use… Win-win for both teams…
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Can Headley play any other position besides 3rd?
    I only ask because if he’s traded for prior to ARod’s return, wouldn’t that cause a problem in the infield?

    Cashman might have to wait for the ARod situation to finalize before trading for
    someone that plays only 3rd.

  92. luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Later guys

  93. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    “Petco would be nice for him… They have a certain 3 baseman that we could use… Win-win for both teams…”

    Hughes would be a rental for the Padres though…..he wouldn’t help them much as they aren’t contending. I think they’d want somebody controlled longer

  94. Tackelberry July 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Arod finally got his forst RBI today, a run scoring single to put Tampa ahead 2-1. IN that game, Deitrich Enns continues his solid season with 5 hitless innings, walking 1 and striking out 7.
    Also, Ronnie Musteiller is playing toady for GCL 2 team, gong 1-3 before coming out of the game.

  95. luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    WTP,

    I think Arod becomes either the primary DH or a part time 1st baseman

  96. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    ———————————————————————————————-
    “Can Headley play any other position besides 3rd?
    I only ask because if he’s traded for prior to ARod’s return, wouldn’t that cause a problem in the infield?”

    he’s played corner OF before but not well…..still I don’t see how it’d be a problem….move Alex to first base or let him DH full time….Hafner isn’t exactly killing the ball.

  97. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I don’t think anyone is giving much for Hughes or Joba. Again, if these guys had another year on their contracts so that a team with good pitching development people could straighten them out – MAYBE – but no team is going to (for example) trade you a plus prospect for Joba, send him to the minors to work as a starter and then when he’s ready to enter the rotation the season’s over and you now have spent talent and time to turn Joba back into a viable starter only to have him shop his services to other teams.

  98. tucker July 10th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Don’t blame Martin for jumping on the Pirates offer. The Yanks made it clear last offseason that they were not signing players to multi-year deals. So if you are Martin, do you patiently wait for Cashman to go down his checklist one at a time? No, you can’t do that because your market disappears.

    Cashman either misread the market with his one-at-a-time approach. Or, he was ordered to take that approach by Hal and Levine … We all remember reports that Cashman was not allowed to make offers during the winter meetings …

  99. luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    “Petco would be nice for him… They have a certain 3 baseman that we could use… Win-win for both teams…”

    Hughes would be a rental for the Padres though…..he wouldn’t help them much as they aren’t contending. I think they’d want somebody controlled longer

    =====================================

    Not if they give them a window for an extension… He could be a number 2 on that park… You’ll be turning 1.5 year controlled player in to a 3-4 year number two at middle/back of the rotation price… It might make sense for both teams

  100. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    maybe Martin thought the Pirates had a better chance to win this year.

  101. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “I don’t blame him for grabbing it, but don’t expect the Yankees to sign you that quick and (allegedly) say you would have signed for only one year for the Yankees.”

    Maybe Cashman told him that Ichiro was the suits priority?

  102. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “Not if they give them a window for an extension… He could be a number 2 on that park… You’ll be turning 1.5 year controlled player in to a 3-4 year number two at middle/back of the rotation price… It might make sense for both teams”

    In that sense maybe…..but Hughes would have to be willing to sign an extension with a bad team instead of testing free agency…..so I dunno

  103. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    luis July 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    WTP,

    I think Arod becomes either the primary DH or a part time 1st baseman
    ———————————————————————————————
    Stop it
    Stop the madness. You’re way off track now.
    Arod has a 1B. Oh sure, like that will happen.
    C’mon, is this what some of you here have resorted to? PATHETIC!!

  104. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    They could have probably gotten a better pay day on Hughes if they moved him in the off season. – Captain Obvious

    I wish Captain Obvious had a seat at the table in our FO.

  105. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Also: Harvey’s butt = not bad at alllllll.

    Sorry Chad. I’m up for doing a comparison if you’re interested.

  106. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    “Arod has a 1B. Oh sure, like that will happen.”

    that’s not exactly far fetched given that Tex is out for the year and Arod probably shouldn’t be playing 3B much anymore…..

  107. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    it’s a Shame that Youk wasn’t asked to be in the photo shoot.

  108. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Blake
    Let’s be real here. As if ARod has the time to learn a brand new position during the season.
    IMPOSSIBLE!
    You think the fans boo him now when he goes 0-1 to start the game, he will get booed even
    more while be plays an awful 1B.

    The ideas brought up here are amazing. Fans here treating this team like
    a video game.
    HAHAHAHA!!!

  109. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    In that sense maybe…..but Hughes would have to be willing to sign an extension with a bad team instead of testing free agency…..so I dunno

    ————-

    Yeah there seems to be this logic that if you give a team a window you can get a better return. That only works if you’re making the deal the player wants. It’s very similar to a guy with a no-trade clause. You find yourself making a deal around parameters that are outside of your scope.

    If someone would have listened to me, Tex would be on the DL with the O’s right now.

  110. pkyankfan69 July 10th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    it’s a Shame that Youk wasn’t asked to be in the photo shoot.
    ——————————————–
    I just threw up in my mouth a little

  111. Tackelberry July 10th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Chip July 10th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    “I don’t think anyone is giving much for Hughes or Joba”

    A rival exec told Jon Heyman that Hughes: “could fetch quite a bit”

  112. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    They could have probably gotten a better pay day on Hughes if they moved him in the off season. – Captain Obvious

    I wish Captain Obvious had a seat at the table in our FO.
    _

    The great thing about Captain Obvious is that he doesn’t think he is the smartest person in the room. #WellsCanBeTheOldWells

  113. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    the most interesting thing about that ESPN mag thing was Gary Player….dude is 77 years old.

  114. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Blake
    Let’s be real here. As if ARod has the time to learn a brand new position during the season.
    IMPOSSIBLE!

    ————–

    Oh you mean like that time they threw Wells at 3B or made him take grounders at 1B…??

    Arod could actually mitigate Tex’s awful split if they let him play 1B going forward.

  115. tucker July 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    “The primary goal is to make money, not win championships. Making the playoffs provides a windfall for them.”

    This is correct. The only thing that will compel Hal to act is if 189 costs more money than it saves. We really don’t have an answer to that because the Yanks’ financial books are closed.

    I have to think this approach is pinching revenue. And there have been reports that the expected windfall from revenue sharing will not materialize to the degree the Yanks originally anticipated.

    Thing is, the Yanks are boxed into their approach. Even if they decided to smash through 189 next year, they may not be able to field a guaranteed division winner because the FA market won’t provide the necessary pieces. So, might as well meekly pursue 189 and field another subpar team … Chances are, the Yanks won’t be good next year even if they blow past 189.

  116. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    That photoshoot was one of my personal favorites.. used to be my wallpaper. Hmmmm…

  117. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Tackel-I agree with Heyman. Between the 2, Hughes has a lot more value.
    Starting pitchers are certain to get a team much more in return vs a middle reliever.

    Hughes is going to be a lot better somewhere else, in a large ball park, where fly balls
    pitchers don’t give up cheap home runs.
    There are parks out there that fit this category and maybe Hughes will go there.
    He just has to go. Won’t work out in NY.

  118. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    If you can play 3B, you can play 1B.

  119. blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    “Let’s be real here. As if ARod has the time to learn a brand new position during the season.
    IMPOSSIBLE!”

    the Yanks put Chavez out there at 1B with like zero experience and he did just fine…..it’s easier than 3B….crazy huh!…..not so crazy actually.

  120. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “Not if they give them a window for an extension… He could be a number 2 on that park… You’ll be turning 1.5 year controlled player in to a 3-4 year number two at middle/back of the rotation price… It might make sense for both teams”

    In that sense maybe…..but Hughes would have to be willing to sign an extension with a bad team instead of testing free agency…..so I dunno
    —————

    Why would a team offer Hughes an extension based on the speculation that they can fix him?

  121. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Trade Roberston. Keep Hughes. Give him a qualifying offer. He he doesn’t get a FA deal he likes, make him the closer.

  122. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Blake
    Let’s be real here. As if ARod has the time to learn a brand new position during the season.
    IMPOSSIBLE!

    ————–

    Oh you mean like that time they threw Wells at 3B or made him take grounders at 1B…??

    Arod could actually mitigate Tex’s awful split if they let him play 1B going forward.
    ———————————————————————————————————-
    Is Well playing 3B everyday or is he playing 1B everyday?
    NO!
    I’m sure there is a good reason for that.
    Same applies for ARod. The Yankees are not going to ask him to learn a new position
    in the middle of a season. Won’t happen.
    Would you like Cashman to set up ARod to fail at 1B? Because that’s what he’ll do. He will
    fail if he is run out there 4 games out of 7. He would need to be replaced in the 7th inning
    for a superior defender.

  123. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    If Arod does come back I think they actually should get him a 1B mitt and make him Overbay’s platoon partner…..he can DH and play a little 3B the rest of the time….that is unless they get a real 3B….at which point Alex is the DH/platoon 1B. If you can play 3B in the big leagues then you can play 1B easily…..he might not be as good as Tex over there or Overbay but this season isn’t about the ideal…..it’s about figuring something out to win games.

  124. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    If A-Rod is reasonably healthy, he will outhit Tex.

  125. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    “Why would a team offer Hughes an extension based on the speculation that they can fix him?”

    well I don’t know that they would…..why would they sign him as a FA? Hughes has 1 real bugga boo…..he gives up homers…..he doesn’t walk guys and he generally doesn’t give up tons of hits either…..he just gives up homers…..now if you put him in a stadium and division (like the NL west) that suppresses homers significantly then what do you have? You could have a pretty good pitcher….and that’s why some team probably from the west coast will give him a lot more money than a lot of folks think.

  126. Tackelberry July 10th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    From today’s Jim Callis BA chat:

    Chuck (Phoenix): Any chance Aaron Judge doesn’t sign?

    Jim Callis: I don’t see how Judge doesn’t sign. Updating Monday’s Ask BA question, I think the most likely to least likely first-rounders to sign are Judge, Bryant, Moran, Bickford. I still think they all sign, only guy I would waver on even a little is Bickford.

  127. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Blake
    I respectfully disagree with the idea of Arod playing 1B for the reasons I already stated.

  128. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Would you like Cashman to set up ARod to fail at 1B? Because that’s what he’ll do. He will
    fail if he is run out there 4 games out of 7.

    ————–

    His range at 1B would be less than what he covers at 3B. It could actually keep him much more healthy to play 1B where he’d be stretching out less. He wouldn’t need to be replaced by a superior defender because with Tex out, we don’t actually have one – unless you are under the impression that Overbay is a plus 1B on defense (he is not).

    The problem with half our contracts is the lack of versatility that come with the players. Make Arod more versatile and he becomes more valuable AND you can protect his health AND work young guys into the mix.

  129. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Trade Roberston. Keep Hughes. Give him a qualifying offer. He he doesn’t get a FA deal he likes, make him the closer.
    —————-

    The only current Yankees with real trade value are:

    Cano
    Kuroda
    Gardner
    Robertson
    Logan

    If you want to improve the team those are the guys you need to offer up.

  130. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    “I respectfully disagree with the idea of Arod playing 1B for the reasons I already stated.”

    that’s fine…..you play overbay every day at 1B on your team…..if Arod is healthy I’ll platoon he and Arod there and we will see who wins…….know that you’re basically getting zero offense from 1B any time a LHP is on the mound.

  131. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    “Trade Roberston. Keep Hughes. Give him a qualifying offer. He he doesn’t get a FA deal he likes, make him the closer.”

    trade everybody and try to build somethnig for next year.

  132. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I think Hughes has more value than people think….he’s not going to get you a team’s #1 prospect probably…..but he might get you either a good prospect or a good bat on an expiring contract or something.

  133. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
    “I respectfully disagree with the idea of Arod playing 1B for the reasons I already stated.”

    that’s fine…..you play overbay every day at 1B on your team…..if Arod is healthy I’ll platoon he and Arod there and we will see who wins…….know that you’re basically getting zero offense from 1B any time a LHP is on the mound.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    Well my team might trade for Michael Young. Solving the 1b situation and playing against
    the lefties.

  134. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    If Alex comes back he will play 3b and DH. They’re not converting him to a 1b and making Tex a bench player for the remainder of his contract.

  135. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    “I respectfully disagree with the idea of Arod playing 1B for the reasons I already stated.”

    that’s fine…..you play overbay every day at 1B on your team…..if Arod is healthy I’ll platoon he and Arod there and we will see who wins…….know that you’re basically getting zero offense from 1B any time a LHP is on the mound.
    —————–

    This is, I assume, based on the notion that you’re getting Headley?

  136. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    It’s the unknown about Alex that makes getting Mike Young such a no-brainer.

    Young can play third until Alex comes back then shift over to 1b (where he has played before) when Alex returns. You can even get Headley and Young, have Young at 1b, Headley at 3b and Alex DH…it’s not like Overbay or Hafner are having strong enough years to worry about benching them.

  137. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    “If Alex comes back he will play 3b and DH. They’re not converting him to a 1b and making Tex a bench player for the remainder of his contract.”

    just because Alex played some 1B this year doesn’t mean he’d play 1B next year……Tex is out for the season…..improvise……not that any of it matters if they don’t get some additional help.

    “Well my team might trade for Michael Young. Solving the 1b situation and playing against
    the lefties.”

    .218 .330 .385 .714 if that is a solution vs LHP then I don’t want to know what the question was……

  138. pkyankfan69 July 10th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Cano to Oakland for Addison Russell + Sonny Gray

    Russell is a 19 year SS in A+ hitting .257/.337/.469/.806 — 9 HR – 12 SB

    Oakland goes for the title this season, we get our future SS.

    Baseball America had Russell up to #19 on the midseason top 50

    Not gonna happen but it would be cool if it did.

    http://www.baysportsnet.com/bl.....he-future/

  139. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    young not Young.

  140. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    “This is, I assume, based on the notion that you’re getting Headley?”

    yea in the context of the discussion…..however I don’t think Alex can play 3B every day and they need somebody to platoon with Overbay anyways unless they get a new 1B. Fitting Alex with a 1B mitt isn’t a terrible idea either way…..especially for the rest of this year…..

  141. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Cano has to be traded for prospects that are much closer to the ML>

  142. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Joba might feel like he’s already been traded since
    he has not pitched since July 4th
    Oh well. He put himself in this position.

    I thought he commanded all 4 pitches? Adam Warren has more command in his arsenal.

  143. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    I would need to get somebody’s #1 prospect to trade Cano…..and I wouldn’t trade him until I got it and unless it was the guy I wanted. Somebody would pay up……Cano could win you a title. …..he could be the difference for a lot of teams…..

  144. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 5m
    Source: The #Phillies are NOT one of the teams pursuing the #Yankees’ Joba Chamberlain.

  145. pkyankfan69 July 10th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Cano has to be traded for prospects that are much closer to the ML>
    ————————–
    Sonny Gray is about to be called up to get his feet wet in the Oakland BP… He is a starter though… I don’t think the Yanks are going to be any good for the next 2(ish) years anyway… I’d rather get the highest ceiling guys possible and have a bit of a wait. Again, I realize there is no chance of this happening.

  146. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    “This is, I assume, based on the notion that you’re getting Headley?”

    yea in the context of the discussion…..however I don’t think Alex can play 3B every day and they need somebody to platoon with Overbay anyways unless they get a new 1B. Fitting Alex with a 1B mitt isn’t a terrible idea either way…..especially for the rest of this year…..
    ———————

    I don’t think he can play 3b everyday either – but I think the days when he’s not at 3b he will be at DH. I think getting a platoon partner for Overbay (or simply a replacement for Overbay) is a separate issue.

  147. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Ideally they get a good 1B and good 3B and then Alex can DH every day or whatever……but they’ll be lucky to get one good bat let alone the 3 or 7 they need so I’m just looking at all options.

  148. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Also: Harvey’s butt = not bad at alllllll.

    Sorry Chad. I’m up for doing a comparison if you’re interested.
    =======================
    Imagine what JF or YF would say if this was from a male directed toward a female.
    Childish, anyway…

  149. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Let Shame think it over…it might take a while.

  150. Jerkface July 10th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Imagine what JF or YF would say if this was from a male directed toward a female.

    Mick we live in a sexist, patriarchal society where men have absolutely none of the issues affecting them that women do in this regard, so it would, in fact, be completely different if a male was directing that kind of comment towards a female.

  151. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Philly would look to rake us over for Young.
    Give them Joba and let it be…

  152. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    JF- Are you an atty? just curious…

  153. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    JF-If you are so sensitive, why are you reposting trishas remarks in other places?
    To get attention> Isn’t that trollish?

  154. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    I can’t decide if your a 30ish atty or a 12 year old in his/her parents basement.

  155. pkyankfan69 July 10th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    This is a a fun conversation.

  156. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Usually you’re real quick with your answers, not so now?

  157. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    oh you have learned the ignore trick so taught by a few here. no respect for that. doesn’t bother me either. i get to say what i want and you have to say nuthin’…

  158. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    I’m not easily offended but even I think that Rick and mick have crossed some lines today.

  159. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    …or you could relay to your friends and have a good laugh for your own self gratification.
    that’s a troll.

  160. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I’m not easily offended but even I think that Rick and mick have crossed some lines today.
    ===============
    how have i crossed the line?

  161. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Ideally they get a good 1B and good 3B and then Alex can DH every day or whatever……but they’ll be lucky to get one good bat let alone the 3 or 7 they need so I’m just looking at all options.
    —————-

    I think the best way to get the bats they need and still be in a position to get to the playoffs is by dealing Hiroki.

    It’s an odd situation where you give up your best pitcher and still can contend, but that’s where the Yankees are. They have pitching depth to absorb the loss of Kuroda (Pineda) and if Kuroda could be dealt to a team with plenty of offense but not much pitching then it could work.

  162. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “I just cant believe that anybody, including Craig C or blake, would be stupid enough to compare that group photo to the photo of Harvey.”

    Harvey should have worn a sweet gold necklace like Jete had on.

  163. blake July 10th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    “I think the best way to get the bats they need and still be in a position to get to the playoffs is by dealing Hiroki.”

    I don’t …..if they want any chance at all this year they have to keep the top pitching intact. They trade Hiro then they are going nowhere…..if you’re trading Kuroda then trade everybody and rebuild.

  164. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    I agree with that Chip, but it won’t happen.

  165. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    I agree with that Chip, but it won’t happen.
    —————–

    Of course it won’t happen because Cashman is going to stay the course and look at his players coming back healthy as the only trades he needs to make.

  166. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Chip

    I think the decision on how much to leverage this year will come from the top. I see him as an implementer.

  167. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I love these people who make statements and don’t follow up…is that cowardice or inability to read?

  168. Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    They can’t get to the post-season without Kuroda.

    Give up this notion they can deal their way to the playoffs. The only way they get there is through a mega-dose of luck.

    But that’s pretty hard to plan for.

  169. RS July 10th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Trading Kuroda could work if CC pitches to a 2.50 ERA the rest of the season and Pineda pitches to a 4.00 ERA or better. Basically CC replaces Kuroda’s production and Pineda replaces CC’s production. Theoretically that seems doable, but how does it affect the team psychologically if Kuroda gets dealt and the team is still pressured to win? I’m not sure there has ever really been a precedent for this.

    Also, does Kuroda have a NTC? I know he was able to refuse a mid-season trade when he was with the Dodgers, so he might not even be tradeable.

  170. Tackelberry July 10th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    According to Ken Rosenthal, the Phillies are NOT one of the teams pursuing Joba.

  171. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “They can’t get to the post-season without Kuroda.”

    Can they get to the postseason without adding a big bat?

  172. Against All Odds July 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Again, I realize there is no chance of this happening.

    ——————————–

    Yes chance what so ever they aren’t going to punt the season. I understand the need to turn the page and start over but this ownership has taken a beating at the gate and tv. No way they press the reset button and turn it into a ghost town.

  173. RayVT July 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    I expect the Yanks to make a 3-team trade with Yanks getting Rios, Thornton, & Konerko. Yanks lose Logan, Chamberlain & Hughes. Maybe the Braves are the 3-rd team! Just a thought.

  174. Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    “Can they get to the postseason without adding a big bat?”

    They can’t get to the post-season by trading their best pitchers away.

    They can’t get to the post-season at all unless the gods smile on them.

  175. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    To some here, making the playoffs is unimportant as they are caught up in the future.
    This feeling of impending doom has robbed them of this season. Win or lose , it doesn’t matter as the future is just too daunting.

  176. mick July 10th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    chip made a statement he cannot follow up on.

  177. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Let me get this straight:
    ARod admitted using PED’s from 2001-2003
    Now we have Bosch claiming to have the goods on ARod.
    News reports are ARod is supposed to meet with MLB officials before the end of this week.
    ESPN is reporting that ARod and as many as 20 other MLB players are going to be suspended
    after the ALL-STAR game. Interesting!

    Odd that the process has taken this many months. Leads me to believe that MLB
    has nothing on the players and this is merely a witch hunt against ARod.

  178. Against All Odds July 10th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    no chance*

    on tv*

  179. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Chip

    I think the decision on how much to leverage this year will come from the top. I see him as an implementer.
    ———————

    Well I think that decision has to come from the top. If Hal wants to push for the playoffs I can’t blame him – it’s a business and he’s in it to make money and every playoff game is X number of dollars in his pocket.

    The only thing that would be worse than an empty stadium in October would be people not showing up in August or September because they feel the team has given up.

    But to me, dealing Kuroda’s not a sign about giving up – it’s a now move – you use Hiroki to get quality talent that’s in the majors that helps you in a different way than he does.

    Dealing Cano – that’s a white flag move.

  180. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    “To some here, making the playoffs is unimportant as they are caught up in the future.
    This feeling of impending doom has robbed them of this season. Win or lose , it doesn’t matter as the future is just too daunting.”

    Speaking only for myself, this is false, and a little silly.

    It’s only about one thing: constructing a team that is in a position to win championships over multiple years.

    This team, as presently constructed, can’t.

    There isn’t enough talent in the mL that is likely to fix that any time soon and they seem unwilling/unable to develop talent.

    So if you trade veteran pieces now, you can jump start the process of getting better.

    Don’t try to psychoanalyze. Just focus on simple baseball logic.

  181. mick July 10th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    It’s simple. If the Yanks lose they won’t draw.
    If they are truly mismanaged they will lose this town to the Mets.
    They have never emphasized youth as they want the immediate gratification of big names.
    Well the names got old and due to the limited spending, they cannot get names unless they are Wells, Hafner, Youkilis and Ichiro.
    In fact, some of the dissidents here might be on the right track with this, as Hal might have created a Catch-22 he can’t get out of unless he sells.

  182. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    I think they should just use Arod all over the field. He can play 3B 50-70 games a year, spell Tex and Jeter for 10-20 games a year and DH the rest. He’ll end up on the DL at least once every season, likely more. I know they’ll never do it, but I really don’t see why him trying out 1B is a bad move. The more flexibility we can get from the guys on this roster that aren’t movable the better, IMO.

  183. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Against All Odds July 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Again, I realize there is no chance of this happening.

    ——————————–

    Yes chance what so ever they aren’t going to punt the season. I understand the need to turn the page and start over but this ownership has taken a beating at the gate and tv. No way they press the reset button and turn it into a ghost town.

    ——————-

    Even if they wanted to press reset, how do they do it when this is Mo’s last season…?

  184. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    “They have never emphasized youth as they want the immediate gratification of big names.”

    Really? How did Jeter, Bernie, Mo, Pettitte, and Posada find their way? In the early ’90s, when they prioritized youth over instant gratification.

    With the current CBA rules, unless return ot that , if they aren’t willing to spend $250m a year, this:

    “If they are truly mismanaged they will lose this town to the Mets”

    Could happen.

  185. Against All Odds July 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
    Against All Odds July 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Again, I realize there is no chance of this happening.

    ——————————–

    Yes chance what so ever they aren’t going to punt the season. I understand the need to turn the page and start over but this ownership has taken a beating at the gate and tv. No way they press the reset button and turn it into a ghost town.

    ——————-

    Even if they wanted to press reset, how do they do it when this is Mo’s last season…?

    —————

    Exactly especially with Jeter and co. company coming back along with guys like CC and Tex on the payroll. Resetting would have been easier if they didn’t re-sign Andy, Mo, and Kuroda.

  186. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “Even if they wanted to press reset, how do they do it when this is Mo’s last season…?”

    Shame

    As good as Mo is, he isn’t more important than what is in the best interests of the franchise.

  187. Triple Short of a Cycle July 10th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Kuroda to the Dbacks for Adam Eaton

  188. mick July 10th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    This team, as presently constructed, can’t.
    ========================
    Yet this team can win this year, but next year will be a totally different one due to the 1 year contracts and the self imposed cap.

    So winning this year is moot to some as next year will prolly be disastrous and how long after that, as this might be Hal’s idea of rebuilding .

    What makes it interesting is that he could be right. If youth is served the next 2 years and the cap is reset, who is to say he won’t open up and get better FA’s than are available now and over the next 2 years?

  189. mick July 10th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Really? How did Jeter, Bernie, Mo, Pettitte, and Posada find their way? In the early ’90s, when they prioritized youth over instant gratification.
    ====================
    They got lucky?

  190. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “Yet this team can win this year, but next year will be a totally different one due to the 1 year contracts and the self imposed cap.”

    Win it all with the present roster? We disagree.

    “What makes it interesting is that he could be right. If youth is served the next 2 years and the cap is reset, who is to say he won’t open up and get better FA’s than are available now and over the next 2 years?”

    What youth? Their big prospects have largely regressed.`

  191. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Rich – I dunno that any singular player is more important than the best interest of the franchise.. in any sport.. but they painted themselves into a corner. They could have hit reset this past off season or the one before. They can’t do it now and they won’t. It’s ironic because the value they could have gotten back for these guys 2 seasons ago would probably be enough to stay competitive.

  192. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “They got lucky?”

    Branch Rickey’s pithy comment was never more true of that took place: Luck is the residue of design.

    They drafted and developed well, and showed patience to those that needed it.

    It hasn’t happened since.

  193. mick July 10th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Win it all with the present roster? We disagree.
    ===================
    This roster meaning this years final roster as there will be changes made but ,most likely,expiring contracts year minimal contracts going into next year.

    If they do nothing and Jeter Arod and Grandy come back they do have a shot.

  194. mick July 10th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Other than Jeter, did Bernie Posada Mo and Andy come with guarantees?

  195. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “Other than Jeter, did Bernie Posada Mo and Andy come with guarantees?”

    Huh? Successful design is the result of a sound process. That is what’s missing.

  196. blake July 10th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “Can they get to the postseason without adding a big bat?”

    I’m not sure they can get to the playoffs either way…..but if you’re going to deal Kuroda you might as well firesale and trade everybody.

  197. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    It’s probably really important to note that guys like Derek, Bernie, Jorge and Andy all showed something in their first full or half seasons of work in the Bigs. I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone that wouldn’t take their rookie numbers over what we’ve got at this point. Patience wasn’t an issue then.. but maybe not because it’s perceived that the Yankees actually had any. Maybe it just wasn’t an issue because those guys had incredible talent.

  198. mick July 10th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    What youth? Their big prospects have largely regressed.`
    ========================
    This is all speculation.
    They have plenty of talent down there and we don’t know who will surface.
    Lots of pitching.
    It could be an unhyped name that surfaces as well.

  199. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    blake July 10th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    “Can they get to the postseason without adding a big bat?”

    I’m not sure they can get to the playoffs either way…..but if you’re going to deal Kuroda you might as well firesale and trade everybody.
    ———————————————————————–
    Far too early for a fire sale.
    Cash is right: The team has to see what happens when Jeter, ARod and Granderson
    return to the team.
    Those are 3 legit starters. Not role players who are assuming their roles
    presently.

  200. blake July 10th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    “Those are 3 legit starters. Not role players who are assuming their roles
    presently.”

    eh…..I don’t know what any of them are going to be to be honest……I hope they are good…..I never bet against Jeter….Arod might be a legless shell of himself.

  201. mick July 10th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Well if they saw the error of their ways and realized that developing youth was the way to go then maybe something will come to the top again.
    Why are fans saying not to trade away top prospects?

  202. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Cashman is wrong. They will probably have trouble remaining in contention until Jeter, A-Rod, and Granderson return, and are in mid-season form, which could take a while, and may be after the trade deadline.

  203. Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    “Well if they saw the error of their ways and realized that developing youth was the way to go then maybe something will come to the top again.”

    Casahman’s record of development is awful. Why should we expect that to change.

  204. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Rich in NJ July 10th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Cashman is wrong. They will probably have trouble remaining in contention until Jeter, A-Rod, and Granderson return, and are in mid-season form, which could take a while, and may be after the trade deadline.
    —————

    Might not even happen until after the August deadline.

  205. Chip July 10th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Cashman is waiting for the perfect deal to fall into his lap.

    A star player on a short term contract who costs nothing in terms of prospects.

    Problem is, no one is making that trade. Teams don’t have to trade their best talent before free agency any more because of all the money pouring into the game.

  206. comnsnse July 10th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    I wonder how many posters tuned in to Chad’s chat today?

    I will reserve my own comments until a new thread is posted, but I assure those who did not join the discussion you will be both puzzled and amazed at some of Chad’s answers.

    Especially as they relate to Cashman, I know I was!

    Mick was that you commenting on the chat? I thought you were auditioning for a job as Chad’s assistant! ;)

  207. Warning Track Power July 10th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Rich in NJ
    This is a very long season. Anything can happen.
    The less rehab games Jeter plays the longer he might be in a slump in The Bronx.
    So we can’t have it both ways. Either get the guy game ready or call him up early
    and allow him to get “ready” in the big leagues.
    That goes for ARod as well.
    I’m not as concerned as Granderson because to date he has played in more MLB
    games and might not need as much time to get ready with his bat.

    Arod I worry about the most. Jeter 2nd and Granderson I worry about the least.

  208. mick July 10th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    This team, other than a deal at the trade deadline and signing impact FA’s , was always in the position to win.
    They had a near 20 year run.
    (In my mind, they were more of a dynasty in the 30′s-60′s but that’s another issue.)
    Of course, developing youth was at the bottom of the priority list ,as it was in the true Dynasty years.

  209. champ809 July 10th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Things that will NOT happen at the trade deadline….

    Hiro will NOT be traded.

    The Yanks will NOT trade Robbie.

    Things that WILL happen at the trade deadline…

    Joba WILL be traded and Bettances will replace him in the ‘pen.

    Hughes will be shopped and if the yanks get a cheap bat with upside they like they’ll pull the trigger. Pineda will replace Hughes in the rotation.

  210. Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    While I would think Jeter will hit better than Cruz or Gonzo, and hit lefties better than Hafner or Overbay, we have no idea what kind of defensive shortstop Jeter will be. For all we know at this point, he’ll be a DH more than a SS. Maybe he could play 1B vs LHP?

    ARod, who knows whether he’ll be ready to play. Right now, it doesn’t look like he’ll be in the Bronx anytime soon.

    Granderson, well if he doesn’t get back until mid-August it may be too late.

    In other news, the Yanks have one player in the Futures game. A middle reliever, oh joy.

  211. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    :arrow:

  212. mick July 10th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Question:
    As die hard NYY fans are any of you walking around depressed over this team?
    If so,Do you think any of the constant speculation is helpful in getting over it?
    I, for on, am looking forward to the ASB to reset…

  213. Against All Odds July 10th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Shame Spencer July 10th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
    It’s probably really important to note that guys like Derek, Bernie, Jorge and Andy all showed something in their first full or half seasons of work in the Bigs. I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone that wouldn’t take their rookie numbers over what we’ve got at this point. Patience wasn’t an issue then.. but maybe not because it’s perceived that the Yankees actually had any. Maybe it just wasn’t an issue because those guys had incredible talent.

    ——————-

    It’s why guys like Cano and Wang were given a lot of rope because their rookie seasons were solid ones. The didn’t have difficult growing pains to start their career. The Yankees could deal with that.

  214. Dill Pickler July 10th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Saying we shouldn’t trade for Michael Young because he doesn’t provide us all the power we need is ridiculous. We need multiple bats, not just one. Young can still hit, as evidenced by his .289 average and .347 obp. Not counting Jeter and ARod (maybe), he would immediately become the best RH hitter we have, and he can play positions we have a need at: 3b, 1b, he’s even played right field this year. And obviously DH. Plus he should be fairly cheap. He is a perfect example of one of a series of moves we can make that would solidify the lineup and help us contend without mortgaging the future (any more than management already has). Enough with the dumpster diving for castoffs. Get some real major league hitters in this lineup.

  215. comet July 10th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Blake even if there is team out there who thinks Hughes is a number 2 or three starter in their ball park he’s not going to bring back much. First he is a rental and as inconsistent as he has been even if given a window of opportunity to sign him longer term ,what team is going to want to do that? He can’t throw a two seamer, is fast ball reliant and doesn’t have good secondary pitches.

    He might bring back a right handed platoon hitter for first base if we are exceedingly lucky and the demand for starting pitching greatly exceeds supply. As for prospects nothing of consequence barring luck.

    Joba will bring back less IMO. People trade at this time of year for reality not for hope in future years. We’ve wasted these guys. Surely someone could’ve taught Hughes the two seam fastball. Surely we might have tried Joba as starter again (although given his injury struggles it is hard to see when that happens. If the Yankees give either a qualifying
    offer they will surely take it further hamstringing the Yankees in Hal’s goal of $189. So no draft pick compensation either. Why the Yankees keep bothering to send them out with better alternatives available is obviously beyond my pay grade.

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