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Quad strain for Jeter; no DL for now

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 12, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter has a Grade 1 quad strain. He will not go on the DL and the Yankees will reevaluate after the All-Star break in hopes that a week off will fix the problem.

 
 

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130 Responses to “Quad strain for Jeter; no DL for now”

  1. yankeefeminista July 12th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Heal well, Jeet!

  2. Tackelberry July 12th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Hopefully he’ll be ready to go in Boston next Friday

  3. J. Alfred Prufrock July 12th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Seconded

  4. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    He should move into a hyperbaric chamber for a week.

  5. Nick in SF July 12th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    So they’ll be shorthanded (again) this weekend vs. the Twins.

    Probably a good time to bring up another couple of pitchers. :cry:

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock July 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    He needs that crazy product Cell Food that is like $40 for an ounce. He can take it in the chamber.

  7. kd July 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    jete’s gotta be pretty upset now. he waits so long to play, has a great game, and then gets hurt. super frustrating

    hopefully he comes back soon and goes on a tear

  8. Hassey July 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    That was about as long as Gordie Howe’s last encore

  9. bruceb July 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    If the Yanks had done the sensible thing in the first place and waited until after the ASB to bring the skipper back, they would more than likely have avoided this setback. Hope they feel the extra 5,000 or so fans who attended yesterday’s game made the decision worthwhile.

  10. Frankg July 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    This is a major set back. He needs to be playing to continue his ankle rehab and regain his baseball skills.

  11. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    “He needs that crazy product Cell Food that is like $40 for an ounce. He can take it in the chamber.”

    Chump change to him.

  12. chicken_stanley July 12th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Tackelberry says:July 12, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Hopefully he’ll be ready to go in Boston next Friday

    ——

    Me as well – quads are scary things

  13. MG July 12th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    It’s too bad Jete got hurt in his first game back but it could have just as easily happened in Scranton running out a ground ball as well-he isn’t the kind of player who takes it easy at any time in any game.

  14. Nick in SF July 12th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    It was sort of a great game, but both his hit and his RBI came off of infield dribblers, didn’t they?

    The greatness was just as much in his presence, I think.

    “Hope they feel the extra 5,000 or so fans who attended yesterday’s game made the decision worthwhile.”

    Plus people who bought tickets to see him tonight. :neutral:

  15. MTU July 12th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    “hopefully he comes back soon and goes on a [tear].”

    I hope not. A strain was bad enough.

    :)

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock July 12th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Rich,
    That’s true and that stuff works. Cash could use a neti pot.

  17. Hassey July 12th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    A-Rod last seen with a Jeter voodoo doll and push pins

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock July 12th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Hey MTU – great to have you among us. I read there’s some imprOvent with the pup. That’s fantastic .

  19. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Maybe I’m a hopeless optimist (trust me, I’m not), but I think this is pretty good news. Jeter is really just starting the rehab process and a quad strain is just par for the course.

  20. Hassey July 12th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    A shortless Cash last seen peeing into a wash bucket with Justin Beiber…yes, Cash is now a Belieber

  21. luis July 12th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Good afternoon everyone,

    Jeet… Fingers crossed! Get well soon

    About previous threads… I don’t get why Blake needs to take so much heat for what he already said was hypothetical and unlikely…smh

  22. MTU July 12th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    JAP-

    We got the better of 2 diagnoses. We can get him back to health within about a year.

    Now if we just can save the eye I’ll throw a party.

    Thanks for the well wishes.

  23. Doreen July 12th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Sort of what I said about the rethinking, that the quick turnaround probably didn’t help…

    *****
    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 3m
    Another thing: Jeter admitted Wednesday night he wasn’t “killing myself” on grounders he figured would be outs at SWB. …

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 3m
    But he certainly pushed it hard in NY on 2 grounders. Lot of work. Short time. No rest. Very easy to see how this happened.

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 7m
    A Grade 1 strain isn’t that bad. Rest should clear it. Remember, Jeter essentially played 2 games in one day. Should have been a concern.

  24. Doreen July 12th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    And I guess I was wrong in my point that Jeter was probably going full throttle in SWB anyway. Apparently not the entire time…

  25. astrocityfan July 12th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    MTU,
    thoughts and prayers out to you. our pups are our children so i can sympathize greatly with you. glad to hear things are looking up!

  26. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Maybe I’m a hopeless optimist (trust me, I’m not), but I think this is pretty good news. Jeter is really just starting the rehab process and a quad strain is just par for the course.
    ———————-

    I don’t think it’s a cause for major concern, but I do think that Jeter probably saw what was going on up here, pushed himself like he was still 28 and not 38 and overdid it a bit. Shutting him down so that he can’t try to talk his way into the lineup earlier than he’s ready would be the way I would go – but at the same time it’s not like there are any minor league options for people to call up to take his spot.

    Is playing with a 3 man bench really that much worse than playing with a 4 man bench if the 4th guy is Walter Ibarra?

  27. MTU July 12th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Thank you Astro. Much appreciated.

    You sure got that right.

    Total love bond.

  28. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    So it seems like they did rush him back???

  29. Jerkface July 12th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Its the Yankee special. Playing a man down because you rushed someone back and dont want to DL them.

  30. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Who makes these strange decisions?

  31. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    “So it seems like they did rush him back???”

    Oh come on. Coming off rehab after two AAA games following 8 months of broken ankles is rushing someone?

  32. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    “Oh come on. Coming off rehab after two AAA games following 8 months of broken ankles is rushing someone?”

    Apparently. The 8 mos. is irrelevant in light of the new fracture, btw.

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 3m
    Another thing: Jeter admitted Wednesday night he wasn’t “killing myself” on grounders he figured would be outs at SWB. …

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 3m
    But he certainly pushed it hard in NY on 2 grounders. Lot of work. Short time. No rest. Very easy to see how this happened.

  33. john smith July 12th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Its the Yankee special. Playing a man down because you rushed someone back and dont want to DL them.

    To complete the cycle, Jeter will play 1 game after the all star break to ruin any chance of back-dating the DL stay then get DL’d for 2 weeks.

  34. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    That said, he just as easily could have gotten a quad or other leg strain down in Scranton. Those kinds of injuries are just par for the course.

    I’m getting up there and I can’t play five straight games without straining a quad, or a hammy, or a groin.

  35. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “The 8 mos. is irrelevant in light of the new fracture, btw.”

    I can’t count. I meant 10 months.

  36. jpb173 July 12th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    The good news is that its only a Grade 1 strain. The bad news is that Derek Jeter is 39 years old.

    One question is, “How long does it take for a major league player to recover from a Grade 1 quad strain”?

    The more appropriate question is, “How long does it take for a 39 year old major leaguer to recover from a Grade 1 quad strain”? And does the injury linger longer when a player is 39 years old?

  37. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “I can’t count. I meant 10 months.”

    The new fracture was in April.

  38. blake July 12th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    They rushed him but I don’t blame them really….they were desperate. They are teetering on being out of this race…..a bad week could put them close to out of it if things fell the wrong way. He’s 39 and said he was ready….it happens….I’m just glad it wasn’t the ankle again….could have been a lot worse.

  39. Nick in SF July 12th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Well, if he was being more cautious in SWB, he could’ve been fine after one more rehab game and then strained his quad in tonight’s game. Maybe it wouldn’t been less likely with less rushing to get from one place to the other?

    We’ll never know. Thank goodness they won his comeback game, at least.

    We’ll always have Tex’s grand slam to remember, for that matter.

  40. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    “The new fracture was in April.”

    I know. But he hadn’t finished rehabbing the first break when he got the second, so I aggregated them.

  41. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    “So it seems like they did rush him back???”

    Oh come on. Coming off rehab after two AAA games following 8 months of broken ankles is rushing someone?
    ———————

    Well, as Donnie Collins pointed out, he played a night game in Scranton, came to New York and then played a day game. My guess is that if the Yankees had thought it through a bit more they wouldn’t have scheduled it quite like that.

  42. bruceb July 12th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Donnie Collins makes some valid points, although I guess it could have happened crossing the road.

  43. Doreen July 12th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Rich in NJ -

    To me the rushing was not in the overall timing – one day, really between yesterday and tonight. The problem to me was the quick turnaround from the SWB night game to the Yankees day game, even thought it was as a DH and not in the field, as would have been the case had tonight been his first game. (Though Girardi seemed to say in his post-game that DJ would have DH’d tonight.)

    Derek had not yet played a day game after a night game in rehab.

  44. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    And I will put some of this on Jeter – not in a bad way – the guy wants to help the team and if he’s going to play baseball he wants to play it in New York and not Scranton. But he’s not 29 anymore and probably pushed himself a little harder knowing that the goal was in sight.

    It happens. It’s not really a “someone’s at fault” thing so much as it is a “poop happens” thing.

  45. MTU July 12th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Enjoy the rest of your afternoon.

    Time to take the Mop for another vet visit.

    later.

  46. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    “….they were desperate”

    What it kill them not to leverage this season every season, and to have a multi-year plan instead?

    It’s the same reason given for wasting $25m on Youk and Wells…they’re…desperate so you can’t blame them for doing dumb things.

    It will be the same reason given for why they aren’t sellers at the trade deadliine.

    The alternative interpretation is that they do everything they can to ensure that spending several hundred percent more than some other teams isn’t the advantage it should be.

  47. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    What = Would

  48. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    I don’t think the day game after the night game had anything to do with it. I think he hasn’t had enough reps busting it out of the batter’s box yet. Straining a leg muscle is pretty common when your leg muscles aren’t quite there yet.

  49. Nick in SF July 12th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    It wasn’t even two weeks ago that Girardi was talking about how they wanted to see Jeter play in back-to-back-to-back games in rehab and see how he felt, etc. That’s why the whole thing about being up by tonight seemed so sudden and so exciting.

    Domino effect from Gardner’s little injury and Hafner’s bad encounter with the pitching machine?

  50. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Doreen

    That seems like a semantic difference to me.

  51. jpb173 July 12th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    bruceb July 12th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Donnie Collins makes some valid points, although I guess it could have happened crossing the road.

    ========================================

    Good point!!! Another thing worth pondering…Jeter is 39 years old. Muscle strains are more commonplace as one gets older. This may be something he’s going to have to be careful of from now on.

  52. Shame Spencer July 12th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    It’s all good guys… we can’t feel bad about the fact that we’re playing the Twins no matter who is in the line up, right???

  53. RhapsodyInBlue July 12th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Something to learned from Ichiro with his non stopping stretching.

  54. luis July 12th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    I think so Nick, when those injuries happened, they rushed Jeter. Still. I think he might have hurt himself anyway… He is not 20

  55. luis July 12th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Shame,

    :lol: hopefully the Twins keep playing dead for us

  56. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    “I think so Nick, when those injuries happened, they rushed Jeter. Still. I think he might have hurt himself anyway… He is not 20″

    Yes, bad things could still happen, but it would seem to make sense to do everything possible to reduce the chances of bad things happening.

  57. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Richard, good reasoning,i.e. “have a plan”.

    Do you want to speculate as to what it is?

    The old way or the new, but reasonably something in between?

    Yes everyone acknowledges injuries and age are inseparable, but we still talk about adding vets who also cost big dough. McCann looks like a slightly smaller version of CC and weight is hard on the knees.

  58. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Gershwin, yoga and ballet classes instead of whatever these teams do these days.

  59. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    “….they were desperate”

    What it kill them not to leverage this season every season, and to have a multi-year plan instead?

    It’s the same reason given for wasting $25m on Youk and Wells…they’re…desperate so you can’t blame them for doing dumb things.

    It will be the same reason given for why they aren’t sellers at the trade deadliine.

    The alternative interpretation is that they do everything they can to ensure that spending several hundred percent more than some other teams isn’t the advantage it should be.
    ————————-

    The problem with the strategy that you suggest is that you’re catering to the vocal minority of fans who would be okay going through a quick rebuild if we came out the other side stronger.

    That’s not who pays the bills though. The Yankees believe that to maintain the level they reached as a business in the late 90′s, the right to “print money” as it were, that they need to provide two things at all times:

    1) name recognition in players
    2) a contending team

    The fact that attendance is low now isn’t going to convince them that the best way to move forward is to retool, it’s going to tell them that without their stars in the lineup they don’t draw. Where it might help is that Cano has been there and they still haven’t drawn and seeing that he’s not moving the needle they might not invest in him the same way they would a Pujols or Arod.

    The Yankees, as a business, screwed some things up – they overpriced the good seats at a time when the economy was struggling and they built a stadium that lacks personality. Couple those decisions with aging stars and that’s what got them sagging numbers. They can’t change the stadium and refuse to change ticket prices so that means the only thing they can do is try to bring in big name players that the average fan knows and may turn out to see. But that’s very hard to do when you’re also trying to stick to a budget and lower payroll so you wind up with people who were big time players (Ichiro and Youk).

    It’s very conflicted agendas. I think if Cashman had his druthers he would blow the thing up like we suggest. But that would mean that Hal would have to be willing to accept more empty seats, not just in October, but in August and September too. This is also coming at a time while the Mets have two legitimate draws on their roster in Harvey and Wheeler. Hal doesn’t want to lose the casual fan to Queens.

  60. luis July 12th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Rich,

    Sure… I just think that they think that they have a shot this season… So they needed to stop the bleeding… So they rushed him

  61. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    “But that would mean that Hal would have to be willing to accept more empty seats, not just in October, but in August and September too.”

    You think Ichiro is putting fannies in the seats?

  62. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Imponderable, would “The movie The Pitching Machine vs Sharknado” have any traction with our posters?

  63. Nick in SF July 12th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “we can’t feel bad about the fact that we’re playing the Twins no matter who is in the line up, right???”

    Was looking forward to seeing Jeter vs. a lefty tonight. :mad:

  64. luis July 12th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Good post Chip… Got to go later

  65. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    luis

    It’s always something…

  66. Doreen July 12th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    I just think they thought they thought they could manage the last steps of his rehab up here. And if Jeter hadn’t hit 3 ground balls in a row that he had to run out, maybe this doesn’t happen.

    It’s a crummy season where every single blessed situation has turned out worst case scenario.

    Every. Single. One.

  67. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Chip, your rebuttal post to Rich’s post has merit but…

    I think you’re missing the salient point that without exceeding the cap they do not have the tools/personnel and the money at present to do what everyone agrees was the business plan.

    The environment has changed as it is wont to do in many business scenarios, a new direction is needed and sometimes you have to step back for awhile before moving forward.

    The mistake many businesses make is to be reactionary instead of proactive and visionary.

    The time to review your plan is when things are going good and you have time to correct your direction if necessary.

    When you wait until “business” is declining you are no longer afforded the luxury of time and are more inclined to do so in haste.

    And make more mistakes!

  68. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    “But that would mean that Hal would have to be willing to accept more empty seats, not just in October, but in August and September too.”

    You think Ichiro is putting fannies in the seats?
    —————

    No, but I think that part of the idea behind signing him rather than, say, Torri Hunter, was that fans would turn out to see Ichiro chase 4,000 hits (between US and Japan). I also think they were hoping he would tap into the Asian market the way Matsui did.

  69. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    “No, but I think that part of the idea behind signing him rather than, say, Torri Hunter, was that fans would turn out to see Ichiro chase 4,000 hits (between US and Japan). I also think they were hoping he would tap into the Asian market the way Matsui did.”

    Sure, but winning puts more fannies in the seats. And I’m not looking forward to seeing Ichiro chase 4,000 hits with infield singles.

  70. Against All Odds July 12th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Where it might help is that Cano has been there and they still haven’t drawn and seeing that he’s not moving the needle they

    ———————-

    That’s probably why he went with Jay-z/CAA. Cano wants to be on a star level like A-rod and Jeter.

  71. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Chip

    That assumes that they can secure top talent by pursuing the strategy they have been pursuing. I think that’s a false assumption. They have won because they had an all-time core who enjoyed incredible longevity, and because they outspent everyone when the system offered unique advantages for doing do.

    That system no longer exists, the core is on its way out, and they can’t develop talent other than relievers.

    So the status quo strategy cannot work.

    I disagree that Cashman would blow it up. I think his priority is to save his job at all costs.

    The really well-run teams like the NY Giants and NJ Devils do it right because they know it’s the best way to do business.

    To me, the rest is noise.

  72. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Chip, your rebuttal post to Rich’s post has merit but…

    I think you’re missing the salient point that without exceeding the cap they do not have the tools/personnel and the money at present to do what everyone agrees was the business plan.

    The environment has changed as it is wont to do in many business scenarios, a new direction is needed and sometimes you have to step back for awhile before moving forward.

    The mistake many businesses make is to be reactionary instead of proactive and visionary.

    The time to review your plan is when things are going good and you have time to correct your direction if necessary.

    When you wait until “business” is declining you are no longer afforded the luxury of time and are more inclined to do so in haste.

    And make more mistakes!
    ——————————-

    I understand that entirely. I think that they are likely to do next year what they did this year – look for a couple of “names” on the back end of contracts or their careers who they can bring in on 1 year deals.

    The Yankees need to take a step back and figure out what they want to do as a franchise – I don’t think they’ve done that yet. I think Hal looked at the payrolls of championship teams, and said “we don’t need to spend all this money to win…The Giants didn’t” and no one pointed out to him that the Giants didn’t have $70 million tied up in 3 long term contract like the Yankees do (CC, Alex, Tex).

    So he wants to win, he wants to lower payroll and given the needs of this team I don’t see how they can do both, but no one has been willing/able to tell him that.

  73. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Chip, agree with the second reason but not the first.

    Yankee fans want a winner the record nonsense except for home growns is a non factor.

    I wonder how many people are waiting for Arod to break Bond’s record?

    Ichiro is going to the HOF in any case so unless it’s the “most hats thingy” I don’t believe anyone is counting his hits except that guy in the stands! ;)

  74. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    “No, but I think that part of the idea behind signing him rather than, say, Torri Hunter, was that fans would turn out to see Ichiro chase 4,000 hits (between US and Japan). I also think they were hoping he would tap into the Asian market the way Matsui did.”

    Sure, but winning puts more fannies in the seats. And I’m not looking forward to seeing Ichiro chase 4,000 hits with infield singles.
    ——————

    Yankees were in the ALCS last year and there were empty seats.

  75. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Chip, the curse of stifiling middle management!

  76. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    “Yankees were in the ALCS last year and there were empty seats.”

    More this year, I think.

  77. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Chip

    That assumes that they can secure top talent by pursuing the strategy they have been pursuing.
    ——————–

    Not talent Rich, names. Guys who someone who may not follow baseball very much will hear and say “oh yea I know that guy.”

    The Yankees could have brought in any number of people to play 3b – they brought Youk because people know Youk. Same with Ichiro in RF (though like I said that had more to do with his record chase I think)

  78. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    “Yankees were in the ALCS last year and there were empty seats.”

    More this year, I think.
    ———————

    Even when they were winning early this season with a rag tag bunch of players – actually being an underdog team – no one showed up.

  79. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Chip, I should add that you learn more from the customer or employee who complains than you do with the those who tell you what you want to hear.

    Generally confirming your own opinions! ;)

  80. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Seriously, I don’t believe the Yankee game plan is to sign over the hill big names in the hopes of saving money while drawing the casual fan. I think they are just trying to muddle through. It won’t work because times have changed. They have hit the (self-imposed?) limits of their budget, and even if they hadn’t they can no longer dominate the free agent market the way they once did.

    My guess is they don’t know what to do, and are just hoping it works out.

  81. fantasygame101 July 12th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    this is what you get waiting for your injured players to contribute and stay pat. If there are re-injuries, you go back to being bad for longer times.

  82. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Chip

    Like Wells and Youk? Names that are functionally dead?

    Then they will start losing and even fewer fans will attend and watch.

    At some point reality will meet the road. Their current approach will hasten that day’s arrival.

  83. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Ichy was somewhat ovr sold by his finish last year lending credence to the change of environment platitude. He was given the two year deal because he is important to marketing the brand in the Far East. For the record Ichy could have been and may yet be the President of the Mariners.

    Amazingly he’s still the best baserunner, best Out fielder with the best arm on this team.

    Youk better fits your description and Cash believed he might catch lightning in and old bod.

    Now that’s the kind of mistake you make when you’re desperate!

  84. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    2013 Draft: Yankees agree to sign 36th rounder Nestor Cortes

    I like the name Nestor.

  85. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Chip, I should add that you learn more from the customer or employee who complains than you do with the those who tell you what you want to hear.
    ——————–

    Except that the customer the Yankees care about doesn’t complain – he just doesn’t show up.

    Someone like Rich or myself – we will get frustrated with the Yankees but the Yankees know we’re not likely to take our business to the Mets. We might not come to as many games, but we’ll likely still watch which is fine because it means YES does well – right now fewer people are watching too though – even so, it means we’re holding our entertainment dollars, not spending them elsewhere so that’s fine as far as they’re concerned.

    The people who worry the Yankees are the ones who don’t really care about the sport, they show up because it’s the thing to do. The Yankees are concerned with that casual fan seeing more star power coming from Wheeler and Harvey and saying “know what, let’s go to Citi Field tonight.” Those are the fans who swung the balance of power in this town from the Mets in the late 80s to the Yankees in the late 90s.

  86. Hankflorida July 12th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Alfred, your feeling that once Almonte gets his feet wet, he may begin to hit more home runs has some relevance, and he should get the chance to prove it. I once compared him to Roy White who as a switch hitter did hit home runs at 3% of his at bats, but if Hal’s cap is etched in stone and Granderson is gone, I would prefer more of an output of reaching the seats for Almonte if he is Granderson’s replacement. If Gardener and Suzuki share center next year, Hal’s purse strings will not allow bringing in a power hitter in right, and that is why I thought that the Yankees were thinking of going with Boesch as more apt to replace Granderson’s numbers then Almonte.

  87. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    WYH, live in hope and die in despair.

    Better to acknowledge your plan is obsolete and move on.

  88. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Chip

    Like Wells and Youk? Names that are functionally dead?

    Then they will start losing and even fewer fans will attend and watch.

    At some point reality will meet the road. Their current approach will hasten that day’s arrival.
    ———————

    But you’re not there yet because you have an owner who doesn’t actually know baseball. He knows money and he wants money and he is telling Levine and Cashman I want to win now and I want to reduce payroll and I want to entice fans to come to the stadium and that’s an impossible situation to manage.

  89. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    “The people who worry the Yankees are the ones who don’t really care about the sport, they show up because it’s the thing to do. The Yankees are concerned with that casual fan seeing more star power coming from Wheeler and Harvey and saying “know what, let’s go to Citi Field tonight.” Those are the fans who swung the balance of power in this town from the Mets in the late 80s to the Yankees in the late 90s.”

    Beltran brought the Mets Wheeler.

    The Yanks need to trade Cano for an equivalent talent, preferably offensive.

  90. blake July 12th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    “Seriously, I don’t believe the Yankee game plan is to sign over the hill big names in the hopes of saving money while drawing the casual fan. I think they are just trying to muddle through. ”

    Pretty much…..muddling through in mediocrity is the worst place for a sports team to be though…..you’re not good enough to win and you’re not rebuilding….so basically you’re goin nowhere and it’s incredibly boring for fans

  91. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Again, I don’t think we’re going to get to a point where Cashman will be able to convince Hal to let him deal off guys to bring in prospects and young players. The best we can hope for is that Cashman can turn to Hal this winter and say, “the fans didn’t show up to see Cano. He’s a great player but he’s not a drawing card here we can’t give him the 8 year $260 million contract because he won’t make that up at the gate” and hope that keeps him from getting talked into another bad deal.

  92. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    “Better to acknowledge your plan is obsolete and move on.”

    To be fair to the Yanks, if I paid the debt service on a $1.5B stadium I’d probably have a tendency to be very cautious too.

  93. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Chip, second paragraph costs money.

    Last paragraph is the newbie who believe attendance accrues status to themselves.

    To wit; cell phone usage, feeding frenzies or those who want to babble about everything but what’s happening on the field or set a seasonal record for most beer consumption!

  94. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    “The people who worry the Yankees are the ones who don’t really care about the sport, they show up because it’s the thing to do. The Yankees are concerned with that casual fan seeing more star power coming from Wheeler and Harvey and saying “know what, let’s go to Citi Field tonight.” Those are the fans who swung the balance of power in this town from the Mets in the late 80s to the Yankees in the late 90s.”

    Beltran brought the Mets Wheeler.

    The Yanks need to trade Cano for an equivalent talent, preferably offensive.
    ——————-

    How many awful years did the Mets endure before they got to the point that they were willing to sell Beltran though?

  95. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    “But you’re not there yet because you have an owner who doesn’t actually know baseball. He knows money and he wants money and he is telling Levine and Cashman I want to win now and I want to reduce payroll and I want to entice fans to come to the stadium and that’s an impossible situation to manage.”

    I agree, Chip. I think they should look north to Boston for guidance.

  96. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    “The best we can hope for is that Cashman can turn to Hal this winter and say, “the fans didn’t show up to see Cano. He’s a great player but he’s not a drawing card here we can’t give him the 8 year $260 million contract…”

    If this happens it will have been a major screw up.

  97. astrocityfan July 12th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Hank,
    i think that is a very cogent and analytical observation. Too bad Boesch has not had a chance to really play so far.

    Chad,
    Any chance you could ask about the short bench and why they cant send a pitcher down? I dont see how giving Ruiz a shot can be a bad thing.

  98. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    WYH, the brand makes a significant profit and expenses are a writeoff. With Trost and Levine minding the store you can bet the accounting is as creative as Hollywood!

    We will be scheduling more contests from other sports…like hockey, football, soccer, and if there were a few decent heavyweights around a championship fight!

  99. john smith July 12th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Sorry for the long post …

    I would go to more Yankees games if there were young exciting players with star potential. My excitement level with the Yankees was at it’s height when guys like Cano, Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain and Montero were making their debuts. That’s just me though.

    The reason why the Yankees have the ability to “print money” is because they have been the most successful team in baseball and they play in the largest media market in the country. Getting to the playoffs and winning championships more than any other team is the reason they make tons of money, not “name recognition” and “star power”. Fans yearn for success and to see history being made. The Yankee teams since 1996 have felt like legendary teams and not just because of the stars.

    The Yankees built a dynasty from 1996-2001 and have been extremely successful in the 12 years after that dynasty. So how did they do it? I think everyone that follows baseball will cite the key reason – they built from within and established a core of all-star players. Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Bernie Williams. They supplemented that core with free agents and trades – Paul O’Neill, Tino Martinez, David Cone, David Wells, Roger Clemens, etc. They had a manager that knew how to fit the pieces together. I know Torre gets killed nowadays but early on he really did know the right buttons to press and was great with the media and all the big personalities in the clubhouse.

    If the Yankees want to maximize profits, shouldn’t they be trying to create a new dynasty? Logically, step one should be to assemble a new core of homegrown all stars. Fans will always remember the “core” Yankees from those 90′s teams. THOSE are the guys that put people in the seats and sell merchandise, not guns for hire like Giambi, A-rod, Teixeira, etc.

    Unfortunately, based on the last several years, it seems pretty obvious that the Yankees are trying to go with the quick and easy fix. Keep signing veteran players and making trades to win RIGHT NOW. As we hear every year, just get into the playoffs and you have a chance so why not try every year? The current approach will never bring about a new dynasty because there will never be another core of young allstar players.

    It sucks to admit it but this team is dying for a rebuild. In the long run it will be good for the team and good for profits if the Yankees blow it up and build a new core. Trade the current pieces away for prospects, spend as much as possible in the draft and international free agency, drop cash on the stars coming from Cuba and Japan, get the best possible coaches and instructors for the minor leagues.

  100. Chip July 12th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Rich in NJ July 12th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    “But you’re not there yet because you have an owner who doesn’t actually know baseball. He knows money and he wants money and he is telling Levine and Cashman I want to win now and I want to reduce payroll and I want to entice fans to come to the stadium and that’s an impossible situation to manage.”

    I agree, Chip. I think they should look north to Boston for guidance.
    —————–

    Boston is the model to look at I agree. There you have a team that wasn’t willing to just muddle a long and blew it up and it worked really well.

    The Met analogy doesn’t work because in a lot of ways the Mets did what the Yankees seem to be doing. They held and held and held for as long as possible hoping to remain relevant and only after 3 or 4 brutal years where no one showed up and they became a joke did they bring in Sandy and give him the ability to blow it up.

  101. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Rich @5:09, are you aware you just made the case for austerity is a bad idea whether for the Yankees or the country?

  102. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    “How many awful years did the Mets endure before they got to the point that they were willing to sell Beltran though?”

    I’m worried Yankee fans are going to find out.

    Although I don’t think they’ll be awful. But they could easily find themselves last in the AL East.

  103. Against All Odds July 12th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    The Yanks need to trade Cano for an equivalent talent,

    ——————————

    That’s not going to happen.

  104. sunny615 July 12th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    jeezus – just have the steinbrenners buy a hospital and rename it Yankee Stadium

  105. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    “That’s not going to happen.”

    Probably not. But if the Yanks then don’t sign him in the off-season…

  106. Nick in SF July 12th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Cartoon Nestor: http://www.freewebs.com/tintinuk/nestor1.gif

  107. blake July 12th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    “Against All Odds says:
    July 12, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    The Yanks need to trade Cano for an equivalent talent,

    ——————————

    That’s not going to happen.”

    Nope…..they’ll hang out….do nothing ….then sign him to 8/200 this winter and complain about it 4 years from now. It’s the Yankee way

  108. Nick in SF July 12th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Nestor from L :shock: ST: http://img2-1.timeinc.net/peop.....ll-240.jpg

  109. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    John Smith, the Yankees do not print money, the FED prints money then buys government bonds suggesting they are beefing up the economy,not!

    When all they are really doing is beefing up the scammers who created most of the problems, running the presses and essentially using tax payer money which will conveniently be forgotten about increasing real debt!

    At least the Yanks have put a watchable product on the field most of our lives.

    So when it comes to the private sector I’ll take the Yanks for better or worse. They actually are the free market/ capitalism example and earn it.

  110. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    “They actually are the free market/ capitalism example and earn it.”

    Not really. They are the beneficiaries of an artificially protected market in the largest market in the country.

  111. Against All Odds July 12th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
    “That’s not going to happen.”

    Probably not. But if the Yanks then don’t sign him in the off-season…

    .then sign him to 8/200 this winter and complain about it 4 years from now. It’s the Yankee way

    ———————

    I don’t think he gets 200 million from the Yankees. He’ll get big money but I think teams maybe finally pulling back from the big long term deals. Besides it benefits Cano to re-sign with the Yankees. CAA/Jay-z already represent guys like Cruz and Geno Smith.

  112. Against All Odds July 12th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    4 yrs from now guys like A-rod, Tex, and CC will all be gone.

  113. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    “4 yrs from now guys like A-rod, Tex, and CC will all be gone.”

    I want to be sedated…

  114. john smith July 12th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    4 yrs from now guys like A-rod, Tex, and CC will all be gone.

    A-rod will still be under contract in 2017, CC has a vesting option for 2017 as well.

  115. Against All Odds July 12th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Thanks for the correction.

  116. Wave Your Hat July 12th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Out of here. Enjoy the game, folks.

  117. Nick in SF July 12th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    CC’s option for 2017 is very easy to vest, I think.

    Arod, I don’t know where he’s going to be in 4 days or 4 weeks.

  118. blake July 12th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Arod, I don’t know where he’s going to be in 4 days or 4 weeks.”

    Me neither but wherever he is I bet he will be in the best shape of his life and eager to get back and lead the team to a championship

  119. Against All Odds July 12th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    My point was in 4 yrs hopefully Cano won’t be a burden on the team. Of course he could fall off the cliff like Tex which would suck.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 12th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Stunned that this happened – NOT!

  121. john smith July 12th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    My point was in 4 yrs hopefully Cano won’t be a burden on the team. Of course he could fall off the cliff like Tex which would suck.

    This seems like bad logic though. The current long term contracts crippling the team won’t be here when Cano’s contract gets to the point where he’s not worth the money so it won’t be a big deal!

    It’s just a really bad approach to keep loading up on aging stars making $20+ million a year. If Cano were 27, sign me up – 8 years 20-23 million a year, that’s fine. But he’s on the wrong side of 30 and it’s almost a guarantee that his contract will be an albatross 4-5 years from now. It might even happen sooner, look at Teixeira, as soon as he hit 30 he’s been getting worse and worse.

    This franchise needs a change in philosophy.

  122. Tyler July 12th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    I think would have been best for the Yanks to have traded Cano before the season started, and Cano’s been my favorite player since 2006. Maybe tried to take advantage of a team like the Cards before they committed to moving Carpenter. Cano is an awesome player but 8/200 is just too many years and too much of the budget. The team is going to have a lot of holes now and in the future. It’s better to go the Zobrist/Choo/McCann route with that money that we’ve talked about before. And letting him walk for a 1st rounder isn’t ideal either.

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 12th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    This was entirely predictable, but I suppose it had to happen. This is typical Yankee organization behavior when things get tight. Players are brought back/brought up before they’re actually ready, and they reinjure themselves, or they don’t make a great showing and are sent back down.

    Unfortunately when you’re the Yankees, life has to work that way because otherwise your fans won’t show up for games.

    Correct, fans?

    It’s the nature of the Bronxian beast, and it ain’t gonna change soon. You asked for it, you got it.

  124. Tyler July 12th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Unfortunately when you’re the Yankees, life has to work that way because otherwise your fans won’t show up for games.
    —————————————————————————

    Jeter is obviously a huge draw but I really wonder what fans would do if they went young and rebuilt for a couple years. The place wouldn’t sell out but I think that a good number of people would embrace seeing the young team grow, even through some losses. Now ticket prices would have to drop but I’ve heard that it’s been pretty easy to pick up cheap tickets all year.

  125. Niblick July 12th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Tyler – with all respect, I don’t believe for a minute that Cano’s your favorite player. No real fan would advocate trading their favorite player. They have to sign him and pay him whatever he wants. He’ll earn his money. He’s got the third highest WAR in the league this year. He’s probably in the top 2 of best hitting second baseman in the history of baseball.

  126. Against All Odds July 12th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    My point was in 4 yrs hopefully Cano won’t be a burden on the team. Of course he could fall off the cliff like Tex which would suck.

    ———————–

    Not that it won’t be a big deal but I’m not going to wring my hands and think how much of burden his contract will be since most of the big deal won’t be there. The Yankees aren’t going to have a team filled with young inexpensive players nor will they be filled with high price free agents.

    I have no problem paying Cano as long as it’s reasonable.

  127. RS July 12th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    The Tigers are another team to model after. They have really made some fantastic trades, starting with Miguel Cabrera, then turning Granderson into two key players (Scherzer and Jackson) and finally the more recent trades of Fister and Anibal Sanchez. They have the money to keep star players like Cabrera and Verlander, make a FA splash with a Prince Fielder, and also add supplemental veteran players like Peralta and Hunter. The one area they are lacking in is the bullpen, but they have done a great job building a foundation for the team.

  128. RS July 12th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    The problem with rebuilding is that the Yankees aren’t yet bad enough to secure a top 10 pick (as the Mets did when they selected Harvey), and they don’t have any can’t miss prospects currently in their farm. If they even had 2007 Chamberlain or 2011 Montero, that might be enough to excite fans, but simply going with “young” without being very good isn’t going to help matters.

  129. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    WYH,” the Yankees are the beneficiaries of an artificially protected market in the largest market in the country”.

    Artificially protected how if teams all agree to the same set of rules of how the game is played? Do you mean the geography?

    How do the Yankees benefit from being a large market team now that socialism has been introduced in the form of revenue sharing and cost certainty for the owners. Larger market teams used to have an advantage but the O’s a small market team did sign Albert Belle to what then was deemed an outrageous sum.

    It’s really socialism for the owners and capitalism for the players, which is and always has been the ultimate dream of the free market sans revenue sharing, no?

  130. comnsnse July 12th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    WYH, the revenue sharing is the real joke since nowhere except professional sports is it practiced.

    The reason is called parity. The owners know their customers and suggest that this method actually gives teams an equal opportunity to succeed, the draft in inverse order is part of the process as well. It has nothing to do with fairness it’s a brilliant contrivance by shrewd businessmen by covering all bets.

    I’ve posted this before but think about the concept of revenue sharing in any other business from supermarkets to auto dealerships.

    The free market works by creating the environment for entrepreneurs to invest their money, when business is good they succeed, when it’s bad they lose the bet and their money.

    In pro sports the financial game is rigged for the owners which is one reason why you never see a franchise sold for less than it was purchased for.

    Now if this not the best of both worlds I don’t know what is, an incredible creation and I guess even better than simple capitalism.


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