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“There’s still a lot of work to do” (with video)

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I’ve never really liked the mid-season report card thing. I think it makes for interesting, discussion-worthy copy — it’s the kind of thing that’s fun to sit around and debate for no good reason — but what does it really mean to say Lyle Overbay is having a “B-” season? Is a “B-” season from Overbay the same as a “B-” season from Jayson Nix or Robinson Cano or Preston Claiborne?

Playing time is different for different players. Roles are different. Expectations are different. Performance evaluation requires something a little more nuanced than a single letter grade.

So how to evaluate the Yankees first half?

Vernon WellsI guess we start by acknowledging it’s more complicated than pass/fail.

“I think we’ve achieved a little more than outsiders would have thought,” Vernon Wells said. “I think we still could have positioned ourselves a little better. I think this has been a season that’s been very unique when it comes to this uniform, the amount of injuries we’ve had, and the guys that have been in and out. I give it a passing grade, but there’s still a lot more work to do.”

Keep in mind that the Yankees entered spring training already answering questions about their offense. They’d lost a ton of power in the offseason, and there was considerable uncertainty about whether they’d be able to score enough to live up to their lofty standards.

That was before Mark Teixeira, Curtis Granderson and Kevin Youkilis were hurt. That was also before Derek Jeter suffered a setback, then another setback, and before both Shortstop Plan B and Shortstop Plan C landed on the disabled list.

“I’m proud of this team,” CC Sabathia said. “No matter what, we’ve dealt with a lot of adversity, and to still be right there in the middle of this thing I think is an accomplishment in itself. You’re just never satisfied.”

Pride without satisfaction. Maybe that counts as an evaluation. Things could certainly be worse, but there’s no satisfaction in a 51-44 record. No satisfaction in being a fourth-place team, six games out of first place. No satisfaction in waiting for Jeter or Granderson or Alex Rodriguez to come back and save the day.

The Yankees pitching staff has been, for the most part, satisfactory. The Yankees have the third-best ERA in the American League, and that’s despite several aging pitchers, a handful of inconsistent starters, and a sluggish first half from Sabathia.

The lineup has gotten good production out of Cano and Brett Gardner, their only hitters who are both in their prime and supposed to be playing every day. Overbay and Vernon Wells held down the fort brilliantly until Teixeira and Granderson returned from the DL, but filling in for those two for another month and a half has proven difficult.

Joe Girardi“I think our guys have done probably about as well as we could do,” manager Joe Girardi said. “There’s some games I felt we had a chance to win, and a hit here and a hit there we might have won some games, but I’m very appreciative of what they’ve given us, and we’ll continue to try to press on.”

But Girardi also said this (it’s in that video up top):

“It’s not where I want to be. I said, I think these guys have done a pretty good job. We’ve had a lot of change over here. We’ve had a lot of guys asked to do things that they weren’t expected to do when the winter started and we got into January, but it’s not where we want to be, so I don’t think anyone should be satisfied with where we’re at.”

I don’t know what the letter grade is for something like that. If the team isn’t where it wants to be (and the Yankees certainly are not) then it should be an “F.” If the team is dealing with massive adversity and still in the hunt (which the Yankees certainly are) then it deserves an “A.”

But these things are always more complicated than a letter grade. An “A” for effort doesn’t mean much in the standings, and if the Yankees are an “F,” then what’s a team like the Blue Jays? And what does a mid-season grade mean, anyway?

“I think there’s urgency no matter what,” Wells said. “The good thing is we have several games left against Boston, against the teams ahead of us. You control your destiny in the second half. You play well, you give yourself a chance.”

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132 Responses to ““There’s still a lot of work to do” (with video)”

  1. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    The trade market is just forming.

    Teams are evaluating their chances to play in October and their future needs.

    Teams that are completely w/o hope are likely sellers.

    Teams that are in contention but needing a part or two are likely buyers.

    GM’s are sending up trial baloons and jockeying for position.

    I’m not a betting Man but if I were I’d bet the Yankees will acquire 1 or more players.

    Michael Young wouldn’t surprise me.

    Headley wouldn’t shock me.

    Trumbo, etc.

  2. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    In other words, I do not see the Yankees standing pat.

    Whether Grandy, Jeter, or A-rod return or not.

    They still have needs that should be adressed.

    And I believe, if it is at all possible, they will be.

    ;)

  3. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    I think that’s fair, Chad. And I think that Girardi sees it correctly (and considering his personality, this is about as scathing as he will get).

    And in the less hot light of morning, I see yesterday’s game as an aberration. Because for all the adversity, all the moving pieces, they’ve MOSTLY played clean baseball. It was a horrible display in the field yesterday, no denying that, though.

    The break comes at a good time, and as a fan, I am hopeful that the rest will rejuvenate them at least enough to keep them competitive. It’s a tight division and anything can happen. (Yes, I realize all the flaws and reasons to not be hopeful, but it’s my choice to remain optimistic until the door closes). :)

  4. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    MTU,

    I agree, they will do something. Or they will die trying.

  5. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    The D’backs look like a very good potential trade partner as well.

    And the Cashman/Towers connection is well established.

  6. 86w183 July 15th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Morning MTU —-

    The Padres are fading and I think Headley is now on the block. I would think the price tag will be down from the fall, but it would still take a pretty significant package.

    I’d be much more excited about adding him than Young, though either would be a HUGE improvement at 3B. You cannot count on A-Rod who is now 3-for-21 in rehab after yesterday’s 1-3 with a 2-run 2B.

    I suggested a Trumbo deal yesterday. I think there could be a fit there because the Angels really could use Hughes.

  7. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Doreen-

    I think they want to move Joba, and would be willing to move Hughes.

    They have MiLB guys with potential who are fungible and might have value.

    It’s just a question of finding a match.

    I believe they will. Perhaps I’m just too optimistic on that front.

  8. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    86-

    There are numerous possibilities.

    The Brewers might be another Team. Not sure what they can offer ?

    Any Team that is short on pitching should be on the horn to the Yankees.

    The likely landing spots for a guy like Hghes would be Western teams.

    That increses the chances for an extension which ups his trade value.

  9. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    None of the players targeted are without their warts; I suppose though that that is a reason they’d be available (including Joba and Hughes).

    And the receiving teams will have to convince themselves that the players they are getting will do well with a change of scenery.

    Headley is having a not so good season; Trumbo, I’m not convinced of. But, I’ll admit, either is likely better than the fill-ins that are here now. Any reason Headley is having such a down year? Nagging injury? Unhappiness? Feeling unsettled because his name’s been mentioned for trades?

  10. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Interesting article in Star Ledger today about area surrounding Citifield:

    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.s.....cart_river

  11. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    There was also an article about how walks are down, but pitches per plate appearance about the same.

    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.s.....cart_river

  12. Rich in NJ July 15th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Again, please sell.

    They are spinning their wheels and sinking deeper in the mud unless the most hated baseball player in the history of the world (although not to me) returns to being an elite 3B who can stay on the field despite injury concerns and MLB being in bed with unsavory characters in order to get him.

  13. fantasygame101 July 15th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    how can you rate an offense comprise mostly of rejects? it should be no lower than OK. The pitching staff though is below average for what they should be capable of doing. For the GM, how can you give a passing grade after the ishikawa acquisition? that acquisition alone says something bec. it is a no brainer what was that trade about? For the manager, the grade depends on what is more important future or now? if it is future, below average and if it now, incomplete.

  14. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Doreen-

    These are Headley’s 7 yr career avgs. at 3b

    .268/.349/.411/.760

    His fielding % at 3B .968

    Looks like last year may have been a career year.

    He also a switch hitter and can play a corner OF in a pinch.

    He’s 29.

    Draw your own conclusions.

  15. austinmac July 15th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    The Padres have lost 14 of 15. I haven ‘t seen Headley enough to know his abilities.

  16. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Good morning
    At what point and how many games back do teams realize they’re out of the playoff picture?
    If you feel it’s 13 games back or more than these teams might be viable trading partners:
    White Sox, Mariners, Astros, Marlins, Cubs, Brewers.
    However aren’t those teams likely to want good young prospects for aged rentals?

  17. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Mac-

    Look at it this way.

    If Hughes walks we likely get a supplemental draft pick.

    Is Headley better than that ?

    Now understand that it likely takes a bit more than just hughes straight up. But even so.

    It’s a shame Mustelier could not stay healthy because i would not have been surprised to see him produce at a similar level w a little less glove.

  18. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    YT-

    My question to them would be, “How’s it feel to want ?”

    ;)

  19. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Mac-

    I posted his career avgs. above.

    Someone like JF could probably provide more advanced statistical measures like UZR, etc.

  20. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Doreen thanks for posting that article on how walks are down. I was just about to post it also.

    “However, hitters are being somewhat less selective. In 2009, batters swung at 25.1 percent of pitches outside of the strike zone, according to Fangraphs. This season, they are doing so 30.5 percent of the time. That is a significant leap — and a massive leap from 2004 when they swung at just 16.6 percent of pitches outside the zone, according to the site’s figures.”

    This wasn’t mentioned in the article but are the umpires having a more lenient strike zone ?

  21. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I think the Phillies might be buyers.
    They are six and half games out of first. They just went seven and three last 10 games. They have the best record amongst their opponents in the NL East division at 24-14., better than the Braves who went 21-14.

  22. Tackelberry July 15th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    I agree. I don’t the see the Phillies selling. I think they are gonna stay in the race and in fact may be buyers

  23. Tackelberry July 15th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    sellers right how would be the Cubs, astros, WHite Sox and Mariners maybe.

  24. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    MTU

    The Diamondbacks should be definite buyers. They are only five games above .500, with the surging Dodgers on their heels.

  25. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Yes, there have been numerous injuries, but, as I stated yesterday, the problem the Yankees now have is not just a 2013 problem, but rather the results of the past 3-4 years of poor FO decisions coming home to roost.

  26. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Guys who I think might have trade value and who we can afford to part with IMO:

    Hughes
    Almonte
    Murphy/Sanchez
    Warren
    Austin

    I trade some combo of these guys only for a quality MLB-ready, or MLB player at a position of need for us.

  27. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    MTU -

    Good morning. You are ready to trade off the future C?

  28. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    YT-

    Totally agree on the Snakes.

    They could use a boost.

    Hughes might be an ex. fit there.

    Not sure what they would return and if they have what we need ?

  29. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Tackelberry

    The Brewers might be sellers also and even the Marlins even though they already traded Nolasco.

  30. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Can we just trade, or give away Cashman and the Stein Bros., that would be a huge plus.

  31. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Big Al-

    Only 1 of them.

    I think Murphy and Sanchez will both be good.

    It’s all about the the return.

    ;)

  32. austinmac July 15th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    MTU,

    A supplemental pick has far less value to me than a major league solid player. That’s the hope for the draftee. Hughes, Joba plus for Headley.

  33. blake July 15th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    The 2013 Yankees are best enjoyed with a bottle of coke…..a bottle of Jack….and some rocky road ice cream

  34. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    The best message you can send the Yankees FO is to turn off YES, not attend games, and send the only message they care about, their bottom line is dropping!

  35. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Mac-

    That’s what i thought you would think.

    It’s my take too.

    ;)

  36. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    blake -

    Make that 2 bottles of Jack …………. Then no matter what you outcome of the game, you’ll still have a smile on your face. :)

  37. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Blake-

    Don’t forget the insulin shot for afterwards.

    ;)

  38. blake July 15th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Oh yes and some good BBQ helps too!

  39. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Headley of last season yes, the current player, not so sure he’s worth giving up all that much for.

  40. bruceb July 15th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    “The good thing is we have several games left against Boston, against the teams ahead of us.”

    So Vernon reckons playing a team significantly better than the Yankees is a good thing? Only if you are capable of winning a high percentage of those games.

    Unless they make significant moves – and by that, I mean signing at least two batters who can hit around .300 – the Yanks will finish with a record of around .500 or below.

    Pitching has kept their heads above water, but when you look at the first 12 games after the ASB – three in Boston, four in Texas, three at home to Tampa and then two at the Dodgers – it’s hard to see them coming out of that stretch still in contention.

    Personally, I think the wise move is to write off this season and look to 2014. But, of course, the Yanks have their image, the YES Network ratings and falling attendances to worry about, so I’m sure Cashman will make a move or two to try and paper over the cracks. Trouble is the foundation isn’t solid enough to do that.

  41. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    blake -

    Nothing better than Lexington BBQ.

  42. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    MTU

    I’m not advocating this because I believe he’s been the Yankees Ace for the past two years but Kuroda, who doesn’t have a no trade clause this year, could bring a good return from a contending team.

    From a noncontending team, The Brewers have two good young controlled players, one of which will be at a position of greatest need by 2015-SS. Jean Segura. The other player is CF’er Carlos Gomez.

    However it might take someone like Cano and that the Brewers have a window for an extension to get that deal done and also for the Yankees take an unwanted contract from the Brewers

  43. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Al-

    I posted Headley’s avg. #’s for the last 7 yrs above.

    Even if he comes back to those he’d be worth it.

    waaaaay better than just a a draft pick for Hughes.

    I’m not a real heavy duty stat guy but it looks like Headley my have been a little more unlucky than usual this season.

    I would definitley do Hughes + a little more for him.

    He’s a good fielder too and a switch hitter.

  44. blake July 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    BIG AL says:
    July 15, 2013 at 10:11 am
    blake -

    Nothing better than Lexington BBQ.

    It’s dang good ats for sure

  45. Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Did anyone catch the Call Me Maybe girl throwing out the first pitch at the Rays game…?? CLASSIC!

    http://twitpic.com/d2t4xu

  46. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    YT-

    Trading Cano is not a realistic option IMO.

    It is not something the Yankees are likely to do.

    If they would move one of those guys for someone who is fungible for us then it sounds intresting.

    Otherwise it’s a non-starter IMO.

  47. Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Everything coming out today is saying the Padres are going to be sellers. Also thought some of the articles on Miami were interesting. Could they really move Stanton..?

  48. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    It’s time to find out what kind of agent Jay-Z is.

    Offer Cano a good contract, nothing off the wall, and tell him you need an answer no later than July 25th, if he turns it down you’ll have no choice but to trade him by the deadline.

  49. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Shame -

    If the Marlins are willing to move Stanton, the Yankees must go all in, and do what ever it takes to land him, he could help turn this team in the right direction.

  50. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    bruceb

    I feel the same way.

    Even if theYankees get all the players back healthy, and make the playoffs, they just don’t seem to have enough to go deep into the playoffs and get to the World Series

  51. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Shame-

    I think the Fish will definitely entertain offers for Stanton but I think they’ll expect to blown away.

    It’s a known fact that Stanton is not a happy camper in Miami.

    If the Marlin’s started a bidding war for him the return would be huge.

    Unfortunately, if that were the case, I think the Yankees would wind up out in the cold on that one.

    Too many teams w better farm systems.

    It would still be worth a try on our part.

  52. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    The Red Sox blew up their team last year, got rid of several bad contracts, and all one needs to do is look at the results this season has shown.

    Time to made strong moves for young talent for the future.

  53. Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    @jonmorosi

    Bud Selig, speaking at @politico breakfast event, says “reformation of the economic system” in #MLB is proudest achievement as commissioner.

  54. Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    MTU – Tend to agree.. don’t think we could put together the best package for Stanton.

    But Headley on the other hand..

  55. Tackelberry July 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    The Marlins plan to build AROUND Stanton, not trade him. I wish you people would get that throuhg your thick heads. Even if they were to make him available, there are alot of other teams that have much more to offer the the Yanks in terms of ready major leaguers, whihc is what the Marins would want

  56. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    If you’re going to blow-up the Yankees, starting with the FO would be my preference.

  57. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Re, the umpires, who knows? They certainly seem to have a floating strike zone…

    They really have to sign Cano. They now are in need of both a SS and a 3B for next year, IMO. they can’t be in a position of having to refit 3/4 of their infield.

    I think if they go for Headley, which I’m not sure they should, but if they do, Hughes plus a very small something else, because I think they’re of about equal value. Just the switch to the NL is usually a good thing for an AL pitcher. Usually. So they will get a better Hughes just by virtue of the league change. Add in that Petco is not a HR park, they’re +2.

    But how long would they have Headley for? A year, 2 years? Is he a rental? I’m not sure he’ll make much difference for them this year, except he’s a better than what they have, which isn’t saying too much. And is he better than ARod if ARod comes back (which is the real question here)?

    Anyway, I expect if the Yankees do anything it will be at the deadline of the deadline.

  58. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Al-

    I don’t think they are going to blow-up anything.

    They are still in the hunt for a playoff spot.

    As long as they are they will seek to add not to subtract.

    I expect them to be buyers not sellers.

  59. Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Apparently the Rangers keep asking about Stanton.. They could probably get him too.

  60. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Reformation of the economic system?

    I guess that’s one way to put it.

  61. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    If I’m the opposing team’s GM of a team in contention, needing a proven starter, I’d have Kuroda, not Hughes, on my list.

    If I needed an Outfielder with speed, I’d want Gardner.

    Other than bullpen help, realistically, the Yankees have very few proven players who teams in contention, needing an immediate boost would want, if you take Cano off the table.

    Thoughts?

  62. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    The Rangers have the chips to get Stanton IMO if they are motivated enough.

  63. 86w183 July 15th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    As close as the Yanks are to making the post-season they are more likely to be buyers than sellers at the deadline.

    Only an extended losing skid after the ASB would change that. Part of me would love to see what kind of talent they could acquire by trading all the impending FA. Part of me would hate to see the Yanks bail on the season.

    Oh well….

  64. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    MTU -

    I would simply ask the Marlins, what would it take for Stanton, and if it were doable, make the deal.

    Just ask yourself, if a FA were looking to join a team that had the best chance of getting him a ring, would he choose the Yankees? I’d say no, too many other teams that have better talent, and a better FO.

    If CC didn’t have a no trade, I’d offer him around as well, his best days are behind him, and what we see from him this season will most likely get worse going forward.

  65. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    YT-

    The Yankees are NOT trading Kuroda or GGBG.

    You can forget that.

  66. Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    @RiverAveBlues

    Selig on Biogenesis suspensions: “It’s been reported in every paper in America for 800 straight days.” Won’t comment much #PlaybookBreakfast

  67. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    AL-

    Not talking about FA’s for the moment.

    Guys who are under their Team’s control w/o no-trade clauses.

    Headley is an example. He’d have no say.

  68. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    MTU -

    Perhaps you’re right, but, my fear is the quality, and age of the players Cashman will add, or the lack of both.

    If I had such talent, I’d post a picture of Cashman leaning into a dumpster, and pulling out an over-the-hill ball player with gray hear, saying; “I guess you’ll due for a couple of months, just what Hal ordered.”

  69. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Al-

    Can’t blame you for your skepticism.

    Guess we’ll see.

    For some reason I’m a bit more optimistic. Can’t quite say exactly why.

  70. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    MTU

    I agree the Yankees are committed to keeping Kuroda in pinstripes through this year, even though this year, for some reason, he doesn’t have a NTC. Gentleman’s agreement?

  71. Tackelberry July 15th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am
    Apparently the Rangers keep asking about Stanton.. They could probably get him too.

    ________________________________________________________
    Marlins keep insisiting on Profar, whom the Rangers will no trade in any deal

  72. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Mike -

    The question is, which Headley would we get, the one from last season, or the one having a Nix like season this year?

  73. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    YT-

    Because losing our De Facto Ace would certainly sink any chances we have of making the PS this year.

    And also, because I believe we still have that chance.

    They don’t punt on the season unless they are totally out of it. They’re not.

    ;)

  74. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Also, I think the Yankees have to watch how Pettitte pitches in his next outing(s), because Hughes may not be as expendable as one may think…

  75. Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Also, I think the Yankees have to watch how Pettitte pitches in his next outing(s), because Hughes may not be as expendable as one may think…

    —————

    There’s not much time left before the deadline at this point. They’ll each only get about 2 starts a piece and, tbh, they should probably already have some idea of what they’re doing/who they plan on moving irrespective of their next two starts.

  76. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    This might be a realistic trade partner and option for the Yankees
    If they were to trade with Diamondbacks.

    Martin Prado is having an off year.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....rtin-prado

  77. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Doreen -

    Pettitte can easily be replaced by Phelps, or even Warren at this stage of the game.

    Both CC and Pettitte have been a great let down this season, and going forward, IMO, CC will only get worse.

  78. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Doreen-

    AP appears healthy. He is just missing his spots

    At some point Nuno and Pineda may also be available. And we have Warren too.

    I know Nuno is not AP but neither is Hughes. Nuno should be a capable left-handed fill in.

    FWIS Hughes is completely expendable at this point and hould be traded while he still has value.

    His stock might be up a bit lately. Good time to trade him.

  79. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Hughes for Rangers Michael Olt?

  80. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I guess it will depend on what Hughes can bring back. But I’m guessing unless it is someone who can make a real difference, they’ll do the QO thing with Hughes.

  81. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    AP hasn’t been the same since the DL. Now, maybe the break helps him, but isn’t it possible that there’s some lingering something that is affecting him that is causing him to miss his spots?

  82. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Doreen -

    Yes, age!

  83. joeman July 15th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    should the NYY be buyers or sellers

  84. Jesus Bustero July 15th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Trader I can see Hughes for Prado on the surface. The contract is big though when you look deeper.

  85. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    YT-

    Headley makes more sense FWIS.

    Much more likely to sign an extension w the Pads.

    Closer to home.

    Headley has already rpoven himself somewhat at the ML level.

    Also don’t want to help the rangers and their park would be terrible for Phil.

    it’s a hitter’s park.

  86. UpState July 15th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:04 am
    The D’backs look like a very good potential trade partner as well.

    And the Cashman/Towers connection is well established.
    ======================================================

    Yesterday I mentioned trying to get Arizona’s AAA 3rd Baseman – Matt Davidson.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/

    “Unfortunately”…I saw him on TV getting an MVP Award from the Minor League ASG

    With Prado not up to normal this year – I don’t think the’ll entertain a trade for him…

    AZ could certainly be interested in Phil Hughes….

    ….seeing that our old ‘friend’ IPK continues to crap his pants this year
    …..very over-rated !

  87. Jesus Bustero July 15th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    And for those of you who want to sell sell sell, that means Kuroda and Gardner are fair game – not just the usual suspects (Hughes and Joba).

  88. Wave Your Hat July 15th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Whatever the Yanks do, they better do it fast.

    After the break, the schedule through the trade deadline is 3 at Boston, 4 at Texas, home for 3 with the Rays, then the start of another road trip with 2 with the Dodgers. That’s 12 tough games, 10 on the road.

  89. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    The best place for Hughes to land, for his career, would be with the Angels, IMO.

  90. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Doreen-

    It’s possible but AP says he feels good. Says his command is just off right now.

    Even if he does need some more DL time we have guys who are likely to be able to cover it for a
    while.

    It should be relatively easy to obtain more for Hughes than the value of a prospect in the upcoming draft.

    Even a decent prospect would be 3-4 ys. away and that’s if everything goes just right and they don’t bust out for one reason or another.

  91. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    I would doubt very much that Kuroda would be amenable to a trade. He didn’t allow the Dodgers to trade him mid-season.

    Plus, he’s the ace of their staff this season. If you’re serious about getting to the playoffs (and we’ll assume the Yankees still are), you don’t trade the one pitcher who has been the most consistent.

  92. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    The next 12 games should tell the Yankees to be buyers or sellers. Their season could be over by July 31st.

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Here’s our half-season Predictions report card:

    PREDICTIONS FOR 2013

    SoS – 117*
    Igotid88 – 104*
    Trisha – 97
    Jacksquat – 96
    Poetkiosk – 96
    Newyorkfanforever – 95
    Jmills – 95
    Doc Iac – 95*
    Yankeehotelfoxtrot - 95
    rm – 94
    Tomingeorgia – 94
    Nilsson – 94
    r115 – 94
    BBfan - 94
    Munson – 93
    Ghostwriter – 93
    Big Al – 93
    The Straw – 93
    Warning Track Power - 93
    Carly – 93
    Tabbert – 93
    CountryClub – 93
    Shame Spencer - 92
    Mike_Boston - 92
    Utility Man – 92
    Chip – 92
    Jmv – 92
    Nick in SF – 92
    Mike Ri – 92
    joecembrale – 92
    pyankfan – 92
    Tackleberry – 91
    RMS – 91
    RadioKev – 91
    ac1 – 91
    massjake – 91
    Yankeefeminista – 91
    Noreaster – 91
    Joeman – 90
    GregD – 90
    Bronx Jeers – 90
    Tar – 89
    4 NYY – 89
    Blake – 89
    Yankee21 – 89
    Luis – 89
    Astrocityfan – 89
    Austinmac – 88
    David in Cal – 88
    Yankee Trader – 88
    Cashmoney – 87
    Charlestonchew – 87
    Jackson – 87
    PacoDooley – 87
    Bruceb – 86
    Vineyard Yankee – 86
    Bobby Murcer – 86
    Don – 86
    Mike in Harrisburg – 86
    Baby Ruth – 85
    Sammiejohnson – 85
    Joeman – 85
    Felix Unger – 84
    bardos – 83
    Your Worst Nightmare – 83
    Deal With It – 82
    Oscar Madison – 82
    Niblick – 81
    MaineYankee – 80
    Cujo – 80
    Comet – 79
    Blutarsky – 78

    *late prediction

    ***********************

  94. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    MTU -

    It could be a slump, I guess.

    I have to admit I get nervous when talking about trading people away. “The Devil you know” sort of thing.

  95. DONNYBROOK July 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    - TO DO LIST ASAP -

    (1) Rent-A- Morneau – Overbay’s glove and bat continue to wither.

    (2) Rent-A-Kubel – Arizona glutted with OF’ers, and Kubel’s bat fits the porch.

    (3) Rent-A-Schierholtz- Fall back option to #2.

  96. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Al-

    Arte Moreno has been very difficult to deal w in the past.

    But I agree that the Halos would be a terrific landing spot for Phil.

    He almost certianly would agree to an extension.

    Trumbo has power but he stinks as a defender.

    Still better than just the draft pick though.

    I think their MiLB system is pretty poor these days.

    The Yankees might be able to cook something up with the Dodgers too.

  97. joeman July 15th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    best way for the NYY to get better value in a trade is to do a three team trade..NYY another team not making the playoffs and a playoff team looking for that one piece…although 3 team trades are tough

  98. Hassey July 15th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    I would just like to say, and this is not directed at any one person, but rather at many many facets of the team:

    BBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  99. mick July 15th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Trumbo is just what we need, a throwback to last year, low obp, high K guy…

  100. joeman July 15th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am
    Here’s our half-season Predictions report card:

    PREDICTIONS FOR 2013

    ———————————————
    trisha..I have two picks there..lets use the 85…LOL

  101. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Joeman-

    I disagree.

    The best way is to offer Hughes w a neg window and a few other moving parts.

    There is really no need to involve a 3rd party at this point IMO.

    Teams interested in Pitching should be making the Yankees one of their 1st calls.

    I would even consider parting with either Kelley or Claiborne.

    Joba has little or no trade value.

  102. mick July 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Guys who brought us championships:
    Reggie, Munson, Jeter-Is Cano that caliber?

  103. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    If we trade with the D-Backs, ask for their AAA SS, Chris Owens +

  104. BIG AL July 15th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Later folks, y’all have a great day.

  105. mick July 15th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Who is the difference maker out there that is attainable?

  106. mick July 15th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    We look cooked for the immediate future.
    Hope I can take it again,
    but I was younger then.

  107. Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I don’t see why the Angels would trade Trumbo for a guy they can get in free agency. The Angels aren’t close. Trading to get a half a season of Hughes wouldn’t help them at all this season and could hurt them next year.

  108. mick July 15th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Good bye.

  109. joeman July 15th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am
    Joeman-

    I disagree.

    The best way is to offer Hughes w a neg window and a few other moving parts.

    There is really no need to involve a 3rd party at this point IMO.

    Teams interested in Pitching should be making the Yankees one of their 1st calls.

    I would even consider parting with either Kelley or Claiborne.

    Joba has little or no trade value.

    ————————–
    my thoughts are just say the teams are NYY,Mia and LAD, Dodgers get a player they can use from the NYY,Mia gets prospects and the NYY get a young now player..

    BTW..just got back from therapy 117 on the knee bend & 3 on the knee straight, tough going up and down stairs one foot over the other

  110. pat July 15th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Bud Selig, speaking at @politico breakfast event, says “reformation of the economic system” in #MLB is proudest achievement as commissioner.

    That he didn’t say something that would matter to the fans is sad.

  111. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Mick-

    Incremental improvements can up up to a difference maker.

    We are weak at 3b, C, 1b, etc.

    FWIS Headley could be a difference maker and he is attainable.

    A decent right-handed platoon partner for Overbay would help.

    Someone suggested Navarro of the Cubs at C. He is way better than Romine and is likely attainable.

    Those a just a few examples. Cashman should have a whole array of possibilites at his disposal since he is directly plugged in.

  112. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    edit: add up. sorry.

  113. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Joeman-

    Glad to hear the knee is progressing.

  114. G. Love July 15th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    I pass on Headley. I still hold firm that SD players leave there and hate the next destination and take time to adjust or flame out and go to another organization.

    Almost every other team is a culture shock from San Diego.

    I also think paying in prospects for his career year last year is foolish. Save those prospects for true big game.

    As for criticizing the Yankees because they aren’t dumping hundreds of million in contracts like the Red Sox did last year, give me a break.

    You show me the team right now that would take Arod, Tex and CC’s contracts in a package.

    The Red Sox traded long term player contracts for guys who were still in their early 30′s and not facing career ending injuries or surrounded by PED investigations.

    Blowing up the Yankees by dealing our 1 year rental stars like Cano and Kuroda accomplishes next to nothing as Arod, Tex and CC are still on the books for years to come.

    If the Yankees are going to get their Red Sox salary dump moment, it will be courtesy of MLB by kicking Arod out of the sport. Short of that, no one is taking the 50 million a year he and Tex make.

    And trading CC does what exactly? He’s having a down year, but if you think he’s done, you think some other team wants to pay him 25 million a year to stink for them?

    Personally, I don’t think he’s done and looking at the potential rotation for next season you’d have to have a death wish for this team to want to see him off of it.

    The Red Sox pulled off an almost unthinkable move. As much as that was about financial flexibility there was an attitude component to it as well as some of the guys personalities were dragging that team down.

    No one is going to bail the Yankees out of their bad contracts. 2 of the 3 players are horrible values for their salaries and can’t even step onto the field right now.

    The Yankees of old would just eat those contracts knowing their fans would support them $ wise and go out and fix problems. They sort of tried to do that this season with signing Youk, but that didn’t work (predictably).

    There is no reason to waive the white flag on this season though. No real Yankee fan and you’d rather see Mo pitch in meaningless games at the end of his incredible career.

    The team needs to make some moves, get some bats and start hitting. They do that, they’ll be there in the end. They don’t and dassit.

  115. longtimefan July 15th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Nothing would please me more than to see the Yankees have a great 2nd half, win the division or wild card and surge into the playoffs, but the realist in me knows that is not going to happen, not this year. It doesn’t matter who comes back or whom they acquire its still not going to happen. Way too many holes on this team. All these guys are great people but their skill sets have all but disappeared and the younger prospects and other teams cast off are really bad. Pitching is struggling with the exception of the pen. Many fans saw this coming so I’m sure ownership did as well but failed to make adjustments and that tells me there is a big ? on their commitment to winning no matter what they say.

  116. joeman July 15th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    the NYY team as a whole this team and last years team haven’t hit since the start of last Sept

  117. Virginia Woolf July 15th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    The Red Sox did what needed to be done. The Yankees will muddle for years.

  118. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    G. Love-

    Do you have a better trade proposal for Hughes than Headley ?

    Because if you i’d be glad to hear it.

    All the Yankees really need do to make trading Hughes worthwhile is to be a supplemental draft pick.

    Headley is certainly way above that IMO.

    This year is not indicative of his overall or avg. ability IMO.

    I posted his avg hitting ad fielding stats for the last 7 yrs. somewhere above.

    They weren’t great but they were way better than anything we are likely to put out there.

    In addition, the guy is a decent fielder and a switch hitter.

    From what I could see he has been a bit unluckier than usual in his hitting this year.

    He has a positive WAR rating.

    I don’t think you can do much better for Hughes, or perhaps even as well.

  119. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    g. Love-

    please excuse the butchered spelling in that last post.

    :(

  120. DONNYBROOK July 15th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Yanks are Currently only paying 20% of A-Rod and TEX’s salaries. The current contracts of these 2 players are Not the reason for the Yankees 2013 W-L record. Adding Morneau and Kuble to the offense would give the Yanks a legitimate chance to Win the AL East. The pitching has Already been there, so it is of little concern. Cano has been an absolute Bust, and shows daily his is No leader, and not worthy of the $$$ and length of contract necessary to retain him. Everyday, every game, he merely throws his glove out there. SAD to see the pinstripes represented in this manner.

  121. UpState July 15th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    ….with noted thanks to minorleagueball.com:

    AZ DiamondBacks Top Prospects….(1.13)

    1) Tyler Skaggs, LHP, Grade A-: Development of Skaggs probably made it psychologically easier to trade Trevor Bauer. Skaggs has nothing left to prove in the minors and looks like he can be a mid-rotation guy at least and possibly a genuine anchor once he gets more experience.

    2) Archie Bradley, RHP, Grade A-: His ceiling is even higher than Skagg’s but he’s further away and has some command issues to resolve first. Even slight improvements with his command will vault him up the ladder quickly. Outstanding fastball/curve combination.

    3) Adam Eaton, OF, Grade B: He’s not a fluke. Excellent on-base skills with gap power, speed, and impressive defense.

    4) Matt Davidson, 3B, Grade B: Making gradual improvements with contact, plate discipline, and defense to go with his already productive power.

    5) David Holmberg, LHP, Grade B: Solid workhorse starter in the making, could be ready for a major league trial in the second half. Skaggs, Holmberg, and Pat Corbin is a really nice trio of lefties, and Andrew Chafin is close behind.

    6) Andrew Chafin, LHP, Grade B: Grade may seem aggressive, but he pitched better than his ERA at Visalia indicates, I love the strikeout/grounder combination, and no one has ever doubted his stuff.

    7) Stryker Trahan, C, Grade B: 2012 first rounder features good combination of power, patience, and speed as an offensive player. He has the tools to catch, but even if he ends up as an outfielder his bat will play.

    8) Didi Gregorius, SS, Grade B-: Acquired from Reds in Bauer trade. Very impressive defensively, and he has a chance to hit better as he gets older. In the short run, will have more value for a real team than a fantasy team.

    9) Chris Owings, SS, Grade B-: Exciting offensive tools but is held back by horrible plate discipline. Defense has improved with better reliability to go with good range and plus arm. Young enough at age 21 to improve a great deal

    10) Zeke Spruill, RHP, Grade B-: Acquired from Atlanta Braves in Justin Upton trade. Solid fourth starter type with good sinker/changeup combination, but still needs to enhance his breaking ball.

    11) A.J. Pollock, OF, Grade B-: Fourth outfielder profile, does a lot of things pretty well, can steal a base, hit for a decent average, play good defense. Won’t hit many homers.

    12) Anthony Meo, RHP, Grade B-: Had occasional command troubles in California League but whiffed 153 in 140 innings, very good fastball but still working on breaking ball command. A starter thus far but many scouts still see him as a reliever due to size and high-effort delivery.

    13) Nick Ahmed, SS, Grade B-: Acquired from Braves in Upton trade. Very good defensive shortstop with speed and doubles power, good reputation for intangibles, hit adequately in High-A but will need to tighten up the strike zone in Double-A. Should be good utility guy at least and there is some chance he will hit enough to start.

    14) Chase Anderson, RHP, Grade B-: Very successful in Double-A and Arizona Fall League. Average fastball but excellent changeup, reliable breaking stuff, throws strikes, fourth starter profile.

    15) Alfredo Marte, OF, Grade B-: Dominican power-hitter improved plate discipline from poor to adequate and broke out as a result, hit .294 with 20 homers in Double-A at age 23. Could put up huge numbers at Reno in 2013.

    16) Jake Barrett, RHP, Grade B-: Third round pick from Arizona State has closer-quality stuff and dominated in college. Looked gassed by the end of the year in the Midwest League and questions persist about his long-term durability.

    17) Starling Peralta, RHP, Grade C+: Nice Rule 5 pick from the Cubs, very good fastball and pitched pretty well in the Midwest League, secondary pitches and command are still works in progress, but they might be able to stash him in the bullpen. High upside arm.

    18) Michael Perez, C, Grade C+: Threw out 52% of runners while slugging .542 in the Pioneer League from the left side of the plate. Has contact/zone issues, but upside is very high and he’s just 20.

    19) Jake Lamb, 3B, Grade C+: Sixth round pick this year from the University of Washington, under the radar to some extent but that should change. Very good athlete, very good glove at third base, has left-handed power, can steal bases. Just needs to keep the zone under control.

    20) Jonathan Griffin, 1B, Grade C: Borderline C+: 6-7, 250 pound first baseman mashed in Cal League (.304/.366/.523) and showed better than expected pure hitting skills, then hit two homers in five Double-A games. He’s an older prospect at age 23, but bears watching.

    21) Keon Broxton, OF, Grade C: Borderline C+: Excellent tools but erratic performance record, hit 19 homers and stole 21 bases in Cal League but has problems hitting for average and making contact. On 40 man roster, still has time at age 22.

    22) Eury De La Rosa, LHP, Grade C: Another addition to 40-man roster following outstanding season in Double-A (2.84 ERA, 68/17 K/BB in 63 innings, 47 hits). Undersized 22 year old lefty but has good stuff and succeeds when he throws strikes. Could be surprise contributor in 2013.

    …anyone of interest ?

    I’m still focused on Davidson.

  122. Chip July 15th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    MTU July 15th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    The D’backs look like a very good potential trade partner as well.

    And the Cashman/Towers connection is well established.
    ————————-

    I would love to see Hughes to Arizona for Davidson and either Eaton or Owings. That’s probably way too much to get back for him. Maybe the Yankees sweeten the pot by offering up D-Rob as well to help solidify the back end of the Arizona pen.

  123. sunny615 July 15th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Get Ryan Braun and give him Arod’s locker. Maybe he’ll hit like a “monster” again…

    kidding.

  124. Shame Spencer July 15th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Looks like Harvey will start the game tomorrow.

  125. LGY July 15th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    There are people that had this team winning 95+ games?

    Yikes.

  126. Doreen July 15th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    G. Love -

    Ha ha!

    My brother relocated to San Diego out of college from a NY borough. I don’t think we could pay him to come back!!! LOL

    We’ve visited a few times, and it’d be really tempting to stay….

  127. tucker July 15th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Not sure why a team like San Diego would want Hughes or Joba. Why not wait until those pitchers hit the market? They would have to go to a team in contention to make any sense. And most teams in contention are likely to willing to trade a significant bat that from their lineup. More likely those guys go for prospects, which should happen.

    The first week will be key to the Yanks. Two road series’ at Fenway and Texas. If the Yanks tank and go 2-5 or so, it will make little sense not to sell. A team will take a chance on Hughes, just don’t think it likely the Yanks will get a significant MLB-ready bat for him unless it’s part of a larger package.

  128. NYYROC July 15th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    I’m not the biggest Cano fan, but IMO, considering the lousy lineup he is playing in, I’m surprised he is doing as well as he is. Why would any team (hello Gardenhire) pitch to him? Work around him and let Wells or Hafner try to beat you. Kinda reminds me of Longoria for TB. Why anybody pitches to him is a mystery.
    Cano’s effort on that Morneau pop fly double was great. Where was Wells? Heck Robbie almost ran to the warning track to get that ball (embellishment but you get my point :) )

  129. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Chip-

    The bottom line is that all the Yankees need do is beat a supplemental round draft pick.

    That shoudn’t be very hard to do.

    We need immediate help at some of our positions.

    That’s one reason I suggested Headley.

    I think Navarro would be a huge upgrade over Romine.

    The D’Backs sound interesting but it sounds like they may be several years away and they are unproven.

  130. LGY July 15th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Why trade Gardner?

    They need cost controlled productive players.

  131. MTU July 15th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Another one —–>

  132. G. Love July 15th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    MTU,

    I don’t know who is out there for Hughes. I don’t think the Padres will trade their one trade chip for a rental. They will want Sanchez, DePaula, Ramirez and some of the OF’ers. I would trade those guys for Stanton or someone of that ilk. But Chase Headley isn’t the guy.

    The Dodgers have too many OF’ers, need one more starter and have a AA OF named Joc Pederson blocked. I would offer Hughes to them for that guy. He’s close to the majors and better than the supplementary round pick. It’s that kind of out of the box move that rebuilds on the fly. Or if they want to talk Ethier/Kemp/Crawford you listen and make them take back contract you want to dump in return.

    I’d also see what the M’s want for Kendry Morales. Just having him behind Cano would do wonders for this offense. The M’s aren’t going to want Hughes though. We need to move on from Hafner.

    Hughes can only go to a pitching starved contender. Hence why guys like Olt & Trumbo make some sense.

    I don’t think Headley is realistic for Hughes and prospects people here deem willing to give up.


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