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“Shake his hand and send me on my way”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Evelis Cruz

It’s become clear that Mariano Rivera’s final All-Star Game doesn’t have as much to do with Rivera himself as it has to do with all about the other pitchers who want to pick his brain or shake his hand or just see him one more time. Yesterday’s media availability became a series of question and answer sessions about the greatest closer of all time.

No surprise, Rivera’s peers seem to like him.

Braves closer Craig Kimbrel
“I’ve seen him pitch on TV. I’ve never seen him pitch in person. Hopefully it’s not him closing the game out, because we want the National League to win, but to see him on the mound would be really something. … I’ve met him a few times, but I haven’t really gotten to talk to him. I don’t think he has that much time in the day because I’d want to sit him down and talk to him all day long. It’s one of those things where, when somebody sets that bar, you want to know what he did, and how he did it.”

White Sox setup man Jesse Crain
“I haven’t had a chance to talk to him yet, but he’s the one guy that I definitely want to have a chance to go up to and talk to and meet. I’ve been playing against him for 10, 11 years now, I’ve just never had the chance to go up to him and talk to him. To be on this team with him for probably his last All-Star game that he’ll ever be in is pretty cool. I’m excited to get to talk to him. He’s going to be bombard the whole time, I’m sure, but I’ll hopefully find a minute to at least say hello and tell him what I think about him and see what he has to say.”

Pirates closer Jason Grilli
“It’s incredible. I learned something, that he’s given up less (walkoff home runs) than men have stepped on the moon? You throw numbers around like that with what he’s accomplished, I might have 30-something saves but there’s no way I’m going to touch that record of his. I don’t think he has to worry about me, because I’m old too. He’s a guy to look up to. His longevity, his effectiveness, his consistency; the game is over pretty much when he comes in.”

Royals closer Greg Holland
“I told my brother when I didn’t initially make the team that I really wanted to be out there for Mariano’s last All-Star Game and to watch him get the last out. That was really the only reason disappointment ever set in for me. To sit out there with that guy, it’s going to be really awesome.”

Cardinals closer Edward Mujica
“He’s unbelievable. He’s been doing it for so many years. That’s the name for him: Unbelievable Rivera. And everybody tells me he’s a really good guy. He just works hard every day. He had that injury last year, but he comes right back this year, he’s unbelievable. … He’s going to tell me, ‘Hey Mujica, you’ve been doing a very good job throwing those changeups, that’s like me with my cutter.’”

Athletics closer Grant Balfour
“If I’m going to make one, this is a good one to make. To be able to be in the bullpen with the greatest closer of all-time, it’s pretty surreal. I’m excited to watch him pitch, to see the fans’ reactions. It’s just great to be out there and be around the guy. I’ve never played with him, so it will be nice to rub shoulders with him and enjoy some time.”

Blue Jays reliever Brett Cecil
“Even if it wasn’t his last year, just the career that he’s had and I’m sure he’s had tons of questions over the years from young guys on All-Star teams and having guys bug him with questions, so I’m just looking forward to the chance to meet him and shake his hand and send me on my way.”

Yankees closer Mariano Rivera
“We will make the time for it, definitely. Those young boys have tremendous abilities and have done tremendously. You have to pass it around and make sure they have respect for the game of baseball and play it the right way. … It makes me feel good to be recognized by my peers. That’s great for me. I do appreciate that, because they will always get the same respect from me back. I’m always proud to play with them, a bunch of young boys, good athletes that have tremendous abilities.”

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129 Responses to ““Shake his hand and send me on my way””

  1. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Nice photo..

  2. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    So in 2 years Hal will be going after Cespedes?
    Might help to have Cano around to go for broke and buy us another title…

  3. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    MTU
    I think Hal is running this team and he doesn’t want to spend for the next 2 years.
    These unprovens will turn FA and if they have panned out, he will pounce, if they live up to what he thinks they are worth.
    Why not believe this?

  4. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Mick-

    I’d rather have Puig.

    ;)

  5. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    puig is locked up thru 2018….why is cespedes having an off year…this is what I mean, Hal in no way was laying out 36m to an unproven but in 2016 he might.

  6. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Mick-

    Because at that point he will have a lot more competition, and the cost(s) will soar.

    He could have taken a little more risk and spent a lot less money upfront.

    Our need was now.

    I just don’t see how you pass on guys like Chapman, Cespedes, and Puig.

    You’d have to be a blind Man to miss their ability.

  7. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    The odds of guys like Heatcott, Austin,or Williams ever being anywhere near as good as these Cubans are is close to zero FWIS.

    That should have been the calculation.

  8. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    MTU

    This is his plan. If the money is really high when Cespedes is a FA in 2016 and he is worth it, well…if Hal doesn’t spend it then he was a fraud all along.
    Have to wait and see and try to be entertained by the Yankee baseball experience.
    ==========================
    “Our need was now.”
    We are old and strapped with bad contracts.
    If this is a 2 year plan to restructure, in a time when there weren’t many proven FA’s , then so be it.
    He is trying to rebuild the farm, stockpile pitching, and hopefully will be hailed a genius if he rebuilds a dynasty, but that will take a little time.

  9. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    From the reports I’ve seen the Yanks did make $$$ offers to Chapman and Cespedes but not Puig and Soler. I don’t believe they were close to the high bidder for any of them.

    Puig + Chapman + Cespedes got $ 108 Million guaranteed and two of them — Chapman and Puig have options that could make their income significantly greater.

    Darvish and Jorge Soler cost another $ 137 M.

    No one signed more than one of them, yet some here think the Yanks should have signed ALL of them.

  10. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    86
    It is so easy to jump the Yanks on this.
    The typical Yankee fan is a crybaby spoiled from the success and the newer ones knowing this success from 1996 on parallel the older ones in many ways. The older ones are more paranoid knowing what its like to be a loser but I digress…

  11. blake July 16th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    “Cespedes would have ruled NY, how did we let him get away? And he looks like he loves Cano, get him/them…”

    not signing him or at least one of those cubans looks like a major major blunder at this point….I know Cespedes was unknown but as I said at the time…..you could tell from those videos that he had some abilities that so few people on earth have…..that sort of RH power is very rare….and when you combine it with his athletic ability and speed it was a package you take a risk on.

  12. blake July 16th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Brian Heyman ?@bheyman99 4m
    #Orioles Chris Davis refuses to recognize Barry Bonds as single-season HR record holder; he’s chasing Maris. My story http://lohud.us/1aLuHRe

    What I find ironic is that Maris’s HR totals went like this…..16, 39, 61, 33, 23 over that 5 year period…..that wouldn’t be suspicious at all today right?

  13. Tackelberry July 16th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Yanks made a strong push for Soler but the Cubs were determined to get him no matter what, so they blew everyone out of the water with their offer. Any word on that Cuban pitcher who recently was declared a FA? I beleive his name was Gonzalez. Also read last week that that Cuban SS named Almaedas Diaz who some poster keeps asking about was declared ineligible to sing for a year due to age fraud.

  14. Tackelberry July 16th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    “sign” I meant.

  15. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Only El Duque has panned out for the NYYs.

    Matsui was a proven commodity as well.

    Contreras and Igawa were headcases.

    It’s not that Puig, Cespedes and the others were not scouted, it’s just that they weren’t committing to any more long term contacts, for now.

    The future is another thing. It’s not too late. Let them all prove themselves and come here.

    If you don’t think Hal is ever going to spend , then that’s another thing , but if he doesn’t he will destroy the brand and have to sell.

  16. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    #Orioles Chris Davis refuses to recognize Barry Bonds as single-season HR record holder; he’s chasing Maris.
    ============
    Just became a fan of Chris Davis.

  17. RadioKev July 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Cespedes has a below average wRC+ this season…

    Nick Swisher had a better WAR last season…

    Obviously Cespedes has upside, but the risk can’t be ignored.

  18. ron July 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    It’s easy too look back,and say we should have signed darvish,soler,puig,cespedes with their stats in front of us,but signing a player for 9 million a year with no ml history is risky.
    Kudos too the teams that gambled,but with the Yankees financial obligations,it was risky,especially after igawa.
    You can twist the reasoning any way you wan’t too,but their are two sides.
    Now if the Yankees had a clean slate,sign them all,but they didn’t,and don’t.
    All we need is 3 big bats in the lineup,great pitching.

  19. djsunyc July 16th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am
    #Orioles Chris Davis refuses to recognize Barry Bonds as single-season HR record holder; he’s chasing Maris.
    ============
    Just became a fan of Chris Davis.

    ——————-

    what about mcgwire and sosa?

  20. blake July 16th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “It’s easy too look back,and say we should have signed darvish,soler,puig,cespedes with their stats in front of us,but signing a player for 9 million a year with no ml history is risky.”

    sure it’s risky….but that’s where the richest team in the sports part should come in to play….they should be able to take some risks on young talent…..they obviously have no problem taking risks on old guys

  21. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Mick-

    I am much more skeptical of Hal’s motives than you appear to be.

    You believe there is a two-year plan in operation.

    I have no idea if that is true or just your particular belief.

    I guess we will find out.

    I look for clues and/or evidence as things go along.

    Here’s one of my latest tests of hal’s credibility.

    He said in no uncertain terms that if the Team was not competitive he would fix it.

    Right now they are not competitive IMO. They desperately need O.

    I am not comforted by the level of risk that A-Rod and Jeter represent.

    If Hal is true to his word FWIS he’ll get us another bat or 2 as insurance.

    And he’ll trade Hughes to get at least one of them.

    If that happens I’ll starting falling more in line w your thinking.

    If not, it will just re-inforce my skepticism.

    I hope I’m dead wrong. Have been many times in the past.

    Apologies for the long post.

  22. ron July 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    The Yankees need to add 2 bats with cano,then build up a great pitching staff,the rest,just gritty players.
    Tex,and cc have 3 seasons left,and if they can find a way to get rid of arod,or collect on his contract,with all the money coming off the books,we should be fine.

  23. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    what about mcgwire and sosa?
    =========
    what about em?

  24. Tackelberry July 16th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Seems like the FO really became gun shy after the Igawa disaster and are very wary of offering such players long term deals for fear of them blowing up in their faces.

  25. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    He said in no uncertain terms that if the Team was not competitive he would fix it.

    Right now they are not competitive IMO. They desperately need O.
    =========================
    Do you actually think he won’t get help by the TD MTU?
    That is a lifetime away.
    Last minute deals are what that’s all about.
    I am not going to allow this to creep into my psyche where I am to worry about what they are going to do or not do.
    Prefer to stay positive and be proven wrong.
    Not afraid of being wrong, not hung up about being right.
    Time will tell, it is a time for change and this is actually a gradual one, over the next 2 years to reset then spend again on worthy, proven talent.
    Who knows what Cespedes will be in 2 years.
    Certainly if he is not affordable then I was wrong…

  26. RadioKev July 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Tackelberry July 16th, 2013 at 9:41 am
    Seems like the FO really became gun shy after the Igawa disaster and are very wary of offering such players long term deals for fear of them blowing up in their faces.
    ————-

    There was no excuse to miss out on Darvish (although they did make a ‘competitive’ bid, I guess), because there was a wealth of information to suggest he would do well in the MLB.

    It’s obviously a little trickier to scout these Cuban guys. So far it’s still very early on Cespedes and Puig, and we haven’t even seen Soler yet.

  27. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    True about the gritty player part Ron.
    People forget the role players . There are more of them than there are stars, for sure.

  28. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    If you got jilted by your 1st love would you just stop trying to ever find another one ?

    If you bought an expensive Mercedes and it was a lemon would you just stop buying cars ?

    Point is. One mistake, even a costly one, should not stop you from doing what you need to do entirely.

    You should try to learn what your error was not completely give up the activity in fear.

    Every one makes mistakes. Sometimes large ones. The Yankees are better prepared financially than just about any Team to absorb them.

    The Yankees practically print money. Total risk aversion under those circumstances in inappropriate IMO.

    The International market is a valuable source of talent.

    Maybe they should just hire more and better scouts instead ?

    :)

  29. Shame Spencer July 16th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    blake July 16th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    “Cespedes would have ruled NY, how did we let him get away? And he looks like he loves Cano, get him/them…”

    not signing him or at least one of those cubans looks like a major major blunder at this point….I know Cespedes was unknown but as I said at the time…..you could tell from those videos that he had some abilities that so few people on earth have…..that sort of RH power is very rare….and when you combine it with his athletic ability and speed it was a package you take a risk on.

    ————

    Agree with mick on this, he would have been huge here. Did you see those bombs he was hitting in the cavern that is Citi Field??? Ridiculous.

    And blake, the risk at that price still seems so minimal, doesn’t it?

  30. Shame Spencer July 16th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Remember we’ve spent $12 million on Youk, $13 on Wells, $12 on Andy.. talking about ‘risk’ is kinda silly.

  31. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    If you got jilted by your 1st love would you just stop trying to ever find another one ?

    If you bought an expensive Mercedes and it was a lemon would you just stop buying cars ?

    Point is. One mistake, even a costly one, should not stop you from doing what you need to do entirely.
    ==================
    Maybe they are just taking a timeout.
    Again, they don’t want to gamble at this point.
    Most of their past investments were in sure things.
    Big name FA’s have more of a success rate than unproven.
    You are thinking too much in the Now amd not planning for the future.
    We have to step back and regroup, it is not giving up or quitting as you imply.

  32. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Fair enough Mick.

    I am the same. Not afraid of being wrong or of apologizing.

    Actually I do it quite frequently.

    And I do hope they shore up the Team by the end of the TD but I want to see the beef instead of just
    beliveing they’ll do it.

    That’s the difference. You are concvinced they’ll do it. I’m skeptical.

    Just 2 different POV’s. No problem there FWIS.

    I think we both believe if the right moves are made on the O side we can see the lights on in October in the Bronx.

    Fix what you said you’d fix Hal. And do it convincingly.

    ;)

  33. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Remember we’ve spent $12 million on Youk, $13 on Wells, $12 on Andy.. talking about ‘risk’ is kinda silly.
    =============
    this is the final year of that nonsense.
    1 year deals will still be around but 189 is next year.

  34. mick July 16th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    That’s the difference. You are concvinced they’ll do it. I’m skeptical.
    ==================
    Understandable. The jury is still out on Hal as , he too, is an unproven commodity ;)

  35. RadioKev July 16th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Shame Spencer July 16th, 2013 at 9:54 am
    Remember we’ve spent $12 million on Youk, $13 on Wells, $12 on Andy.. talking about ‘risk’ is kinda silly.
    ———

    Sure, I’m talking about it in a vacuum here. Cespedes vs the $ and perception of his success.

    Obviously the Yankees have mismanaged their budget.

  36. Chip July 16th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Rivera – the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be.

    Two things I would not want to be:

    1. The next short stop for the Yankees.
    2. The next closer for the Yankees.

  37. filthy slider July 16th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Cespedes is another guy Cashman passed on because he couldn’t spot talent if it bit him
    in the A**

  38. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    What I am curious to see is if Hal would go to say 200m next year if opportunity presented itself.
    That would be some sort of an indicator.

  39. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Mick-

    I am not saying they are giving up or quitting.

    Let’s see what they do at the TD for example.

    If they they fix their weaknesses in a convincing way or not.

    That’s my test.

  40. comnsnse July 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    International free agents.

    The Yankees have signed plenty and shelled out a lot of dough, Melian, Medina, Morales.Duquecito,Contreras, Igawa,Maeda, Irabu,Miranda and many more both in the past and currently.

    So Blake with respect to your comments of “unlimited spending because they have it”, I’d beg to differ.

    It’s the scouting just like the draft of domestic players.

    The subject has been beaten like a rug here and elsewhere, who has made all these decisions, how many scouts have been changed, and who runs the overall personnel show?

    Apparently not Cashman if we are to believe the writer, so whom do we hold responsible ?

  41. Chip July 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    blake July 16th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “It’s easy too look back,and say we should have signed darvish,soler,puig,cespedes with their stats in front of us,but signing a player for 9 million a year with no ml history is risky.”

    sure it’s risky….but that’s where the richest team in the sports part should come in to play….they should be able to take some risks on young talent…..they obviously have no problem taking risks on old guys
    ————–

    The Yankees love “established players” they worry that prospects will get overwhelmed by the big stage and they are quick to forget their international successes (El Duque, Matsui) and instead zero in on their failures (Contreras, Andy Morales, Igawa, Juan Miranda) as reasons to stay out of the Japanese and Cuban markets.

  42. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    If they they fix their weaknesses in a convincing way or not.
    =============================
    Say they got Ty Winningham for a RH 1B platoon with Overbay.
    Jeter, Grandy and Arod come back.
    Would that be enough, MTU?

  43. longtimefan July 16th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Mo and Jeter what baseball players should stive to be, on and off the field.

  44. Chip July 16th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I think Hal looks at what the Yankees have done since 2009 and wonders why he has to spend $200 million to get bounced in the first and second round by teams spending $100 million less.

    He doesn’t comprehend that those other teams a) have done better with their player development than the Yankees have and b) don’t have as much money tied up in as few players as the Yankees.

  45. blake July 16th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “And blake, the risk at that price still seems so minimal, doesn’t it?”

    especially when you’re willing to spend 26 million on Youk and Wells.

  46. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    He doesn’t comprehend that those other teams a) have done better with their player development than the Yankees have and b) don’t have as much money tied up in as few players as the Yankees.
    =====================
    not so sure about b).
    he seems to want to get away from that and will eventually.

  47. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    especially when you’re willing to spend 26 million on Youk and Wells.
    =================
    blake-what does what he spends this year have to do with his future plans?

  48. blake July 16th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    “So Blake with respect to your comments of “unlimited spending because they have it”, I’d beg to differ.”

    comment accurately on what I said and I’ll respond. I didn’t say anything about “unlimited spending”…

  49. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Not IMO Mick.

    They need another C too. One much better than Romine. Like a Navarro of the Cubs.

    And I think they can do a lot better than Wiggington especially if they are willing to trade Hughes which I favor.

  50. Locke July 16th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Chip: Hal’s a smart guy. I’m sure he understands that the Yankees need to focus more on development. As for his $189mm number, even if you subtract CC, ARod and Tex from the budget the Yankees will spend significantly more then half the league.

    I agree that they need to reinvest the ticket prices into the team (in player development, scouting, FA spending and intl. spending), but it’s not like Cashman/Hal are oblivious to the problems.

  51. blake July 16th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    “blake-what does what he spends this year have to do with his future plans?”

    money is money…..clearly they were willing to spend a lot this year but are holding back for the future because they don’t want to pay the penalties in 2014. The truth is they are trying to snake oil the fan base because the biggest percentage of their actual savings by getting under the cap is cutting the payroll by that much…..which they could have done at any time. They are going to have to cut like 60 million off the working payroll to get under that cap……they could have saved a lot of money any year and done that. They are using 2014 as an excuse and are treating it like it’s a hard cap….when it’s not.

  52. ron July 16th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Yes the Yankees are the richest team,but they wan’t to at the very minimum,reset the lt rate to 17%,so that means going under the 189 for one year,minimum.
    They are at about 230 million in payroll,and have to figure a way to stay at 189 for 2014.
    Problem is arod,cc,tex cost 74 million,and all 3 are rapidly declining.Add cano to that,and they are at almost 100 million.
    89 million left with a declining 3b,1b,sp.
    We need 21 player to complete the 25 man,with 89 million to spend.
    That is about 4.5 million per player.

  53. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    They will get another catcher MTU. I just assumed that.
    Would Ruiz of Philly do?
    Sort of a Pudge type. (Rodriguez not Fisk, but you knew that)
    I would go for Michael Young over Wiggy.

    Hughes and Joba should fetch even more, don’t think you need to trade them for the above.

    Unless they went H + J = Y + R….?

  54. JimK July 16th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I still believe that Hal is looking to unload the team and as someone pointed out the other day News Corp. already owns 49% of the team therefore I would not be surprised if they soon became the majority owner. My biggest problem with this is the last time the Yankees were owned by a media corporation (CBS), the team was more a trophy ornament that CBS stored in a damp basement.
    I also look at the focus on 189M payroll target as an indication that Steinbrenner is running the team in the same manner as Michael Burke; a lot of PR but very little substantive changes.
    As to the international FA signings the Yankees passed on or did not pursue vigorously, I do believe their recent failures with Contreras and Igawa played a significant role in their decision making.
    Who knows, but their is a possibility that the next 10 years may once again belong to the Mets; Harvey, thus far, is everything the Yankees promised Hughes & Joba ,but failed both failed to live up to expectations.

  55. Locke July 16th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Ron: I feel like Hall is going to see the writing on the wall. The Yankees are able to charge high ticket prices because the games use to be filled with superstars. A few years with a team like today’s will cost them a lot of lifelong fans and revenue. Hal’s a smart business guy, I’m sure he’ll be willing to lose the luxury tax and additional payroll to boost ticket sales, etc.

    At least I’m hoping he will.

  56. ron July 16th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    That formula of 21 players,89 million to spend,with a declining sp,3b,1b will not work unless several prospects step up,and that is unlikely.
    Add jeters option,ichiro,wells,etc.,and it is a lot less than 89 to spend.Probably around 60 million,
    So 60 million for 2-3 starting pitchers,cf,c,bench,and that is with a declining 3b,ss,1b,sp,plus wells,and ichiro in the lineup,where we take another hit.

  57. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    That is about 4.5 million per player.
    ========================
    This is what drives the Yankee fan crazy.
    They see more of the same bandaid solutions next year.
    The same fan wants to get out from under these bad contracts.
    Some might consider what Hal is trying to do very bold.
    He is risking a lot…in the short term.

  58. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Mick-

    Ruiz would be terrific.

    I’d prefer Young over Wiggy 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

    I do not think Hughes should be used to trade for those guys.

    I think we can obtain them for others. Joba is cannon fodder.

    Don’t care who we trade him for.

    I think the D-Backs a re an ex trading partner as well as many West coast Teams.

    I favor Hughes being sent to one of them.

    Like to the Padres for Headley.

    There are many teams out of contention who will sell.

    There are several who are on the cusp of being in it and who will buy.

    We have options. Let’s see how talented Cashman really is.

    We don’t need to totally dumpster dive. We have valuable assets we can afford to trade w/o hurting the Team now or in the future.

  59. ron July 16th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Newscorp does not own 49% of the Yankees,they own 49% of yes network,and by the year 2042 will be giving the Yankees 300 million a year,wich will pay for the Yankees entire payroll,before 1 ticket,hot dog,or shirt is sold.

  60. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Blake —-

    I don’t agree with your “snake oil the fan base crack”. It’s uncalled for.

    They decided to spend a ton on one-year contracts this year in an effort to be a playoff team without incurring long term obligations. While I don’t like the approach I don’t think there’s anything underhanded about it.

    If they go from a payroll of $ 228 M to $ 177 M ( $ 189 minus $ 12 in benefit charges) in 2014 they’ll save something in the neighborhood of $ 80 M in payroll, luxury taxes and revenue sharing. I have trouble faulting any company that can generate that kind of immediate savings.

    No idea what the 2014 roster will look like and am not overly concerned about it right now. I just want them to make a decision on buying or selling and make some bold moves in either direction.

  61. Mike in Harrisburg July 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    As someone who has followed Cespedes pretty closely (thanks fantasy baseball) I have to say thus far this season Yankee fans would be mighty frustrated with his play. Obviously he would be an upgrade in some areas but he batted something like .170 with no homers the last 16 games going into the break. He appears to be streakier than Swisher and stumbled out of the box with numerous niggling injuries, including a hamstring problem that sapped his speed. He also has 80 strikeouts already, compared to 102 in 129 games last season.

  62. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Everything here is speculation .
    From trades to future Hal doings.
    You can be positive or negative.
    It’s hard to be positive when you see their offense but this is the result of injuries.
    It’s hard to think long term when you are used to winning now.
    Maybe Hal has a vision so different than his father that its incomprehensible.
    Being a Yankee fan is harder than people think, with all the expectations and each game being a Season.
    Last time this happened nobody saw it coming…this time people are getting paranoid.
    It just has to be played out…who is right or wrong does not matter.

  63. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    don’t agree with your “snake oil the fan base crack”. It’s uncalled for.
    ===================
    don’t some of the best snake oil salesman come from the South?

  64. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    And they need to cut Hafner and upgrade our DH position w someone who can hit.

    We are losing a serious amount of production there too.

    If DH doesn’t hit he as useless as an umbrella in a Tornado. Maybe even more useless.

  65. comnsnse July 16th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    JimK, News Corp does not own 49% of the team. They purchased that amount of the YES network with the option to purchase the rest.

    And in no way compare the CBS mgmt, that George stole the Yanks from for 10mm., with the business acumen of News Corp.

    The problem as always with some Yankee fans is the love to spend OPM.

    As I continue to repeat here, with the advent of caps and revenue sharing socialist principles introduced to increase the value of the teams and the wealth of the owners.

    All in the name of the absurd principle of parity, a sham for gulling a willing public!

    The “no spending” limits for the Yankees and a few others is over. This is why a through review of Yankee personnel who are involved with the on field product must be done.

    Because now it will be much more difficult to buy championships, now you have to earn by being smarter!

  66. blake July 16th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “I don’t agree with your “snake oil the fan base crack”. It’s uncalled for.”

    Maybe it’s a little harsh but I think that’s what they are doing to be honest…..otherwise they shouldnt come and say stuff like “youkilis was top free agent” and “we are committed to putting a championship team on the field every year” …..be honest….if you’re trying to get under the cap to save money then just say that…..don’t try to spin things. I feel like they are….if you don’t then you’re entitled to your opinion.

  67. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    since when has any business been honest with the public blake?

  68. comnsnse July 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    I apologize for the crappy keyboard mistakes……..although it might be my arthritic fingers! ;)

  69. blake July 16th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “If they go from a payroll of $ 228 M to $ 177 M ( $ 189 minus $ 12 in benefit charges) in 2014 they’ll save something in the neighborhood of $ 80 M in payroll, luxury taxes and revenue sharing. I have trouble faulting any company that can generate that kind of immediate savings.”

    51 million of those savings is simply reducing the payroll…..which they could have done at any time.

    Hal has said on record that they will only follow through with this budget stuff IF they can do it and field a title contender……we will see if he was telling the truth or not or if they’ll blame 2013 on the injuries and try to sell a similar product as a “title contender” next year…….because if they half a%$ their way through another off-season and bring back the same bunch with a fresh crop of retreads then it’s pure spin and it is trying to snake oil the fanbase IMO……the fans won’t buy it….guarantee that.

  70. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Why are some of you convinced Hal plans to sell??

    The Newscorp deal guarantees the Yanks will be flush with cash for the foreseeable future. Most businessmen are happy with a company that guarantees a substantial cash flow.

    I understand the effort to get to $ 189 M and we’ll see if they pull it off. It’s not like it’s a small amount of money. It’s just hard to get to with the huge contracts that pre-date the new CBA.

  71. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Well…it was real…later to the fine folks at LoHud.
    Will report back on a TBD movie later…

  72. blake July 16th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    I don’t know if Hal plans to sell or not…..I think he sees the Yankees as a money making little toy that he can try to increase the profit margins of and make more efficient. The problem is that a sports team isn’t a hotel….

  73. comnsnse July 16th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Blake, again with the money!

    Where is or has it been said that “we’re trying to save money, or we want to be under the cap”?

    Why this presumption that “they’re being cheap” if they are currently over 200mm. and from everything I’ve read prepared to max the cap for 2014?

    The fault is not what is spent, it’s has it been spent wisely!

    Might you tell us what business you were in and would you as a CEO spend more than the business’s expense to profit ratio?

  74. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    .because if they half a%$ their way through another off-season and bring back the same bunch with a fresh crop of retreads then it’s pure spin and it is trying to snake oil the fanbase IMO
    =========================
    how can they not do this with his austerity plan?
    it could be worse than this year unless, of course, Jeter, Arod, Tex and Grandy are back and strong.

  75. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Enjoy your movie mick.

  76. ron July 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Mick,their plan imo is not in stone.
    They will spend,but they wan’t to try to get under the 189 to reset the lt to 17%.
    Like I said,they will be getting a ton of money from their tv deal.
    The amount increases every year til it reaches 300 million a year,wich is a much better tv deal than they previously had.
    The max tax on the new cba is 50%,and by going under 1 year,they can reset it to 17%,a 33% difference,plus other rs rebates.
    It is not just the rs,or lt,it is the combination of savings,and the yearly savings.
    This was done specifically to combat the Yankees,and the Yankees obviously are taking notice,so you tell me if it is working.
    I think the answer is yes.

    Imo,they should reset the lt to 17%,and then just be smarter with future contracts,and at all costs,start drafting,and developing better.
    We don’t need a ton of prospects to make it,just a few.
    Also,they have to learn how to walk away from the cano’s,arods at the right time,and get a max return.
    If arod,cano,granderson,hughes,joba,swisher were traded at the right time,for the right return,we are not in this position,and probably have a ton of high end prospect/players that keep us competing for years,in addition to our own drafted prospects,and it will also drive payroll down by having cost controlled players,under contract,for years.
    You just can’t keep signing every fa to max dollars,and years,and hold onto every player too long,past their prime,while also paying every one of them top dollar without ever attempting to extend them,when doing so will save more money.

  77. pkyankfan69 July 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    It would be awesome if Hal sold to Cuban.

    Imagine Cuban with no salary cap?

  78. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    And Cuban might go after some cubans….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0PIdWdw15U?

  79. comnsnse July 16th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Blake, you get loonier with each post.

    Sure it’s like a hotel or any for profit business since principals and investors expect a rate of return commensurate with their investment goals. Otherwise someone “eats it”!

    But your inference that anyone “should” spend more because they have it is sheer lunacy!

  80. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Part of it I guess is defining what anyone means by “title contender”.

    To me a team with a legit shot at the post-season is a title contender. This team certainly qualifies despite having spent more of the year with $ 100 M in payroll on the shelf.

    I said earlier n the year my inclination would have been to begin the process this year and pass on all the expensive one year deals, but they didn’t ask me. As it stands the key to competitiveness in 2014 will be a return to health and productivity for A-rod, Tex and Jeter AND inexpensive emerging pitchers like Warren, Pineda, Banuelos, Montgomery et al taking on much larger roles.

    Of course a year long suspension for A-Rod might help even more

    We shall see. In the meantime there’s a 2013 season to finish.

    Buy or Sell — or wait two weeks?

  81. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Thanks MTU…nice chat!

  82. comnsnse July 16th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Yup, you big spenders must be right, Mark Cuban would paper the walls with money and run the business at a loss.

    I doubt it but you’re still missing the point.

    If you don’t have the best talent evaluators you will continue to flush money down the crapper!

  83. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Here’s what the Yankees need to fix/upgrade at a minimum IMO:

    1 They need a reliable, good hitting 3b (is that a-Rod ?).

    2 They need a rt-handed hitting platoon partner for Overbay.

    3 They need a better BUC or primary C.

    4 They need a good hitting DH.

    5 They need Jeter to come back healthy and be something like his old self.

    The lack of production from those spots has really decremented our O.

  84. mick July 16th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    decimated?

  85. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    By the way, Mark Cuban got sick of paying NBA luxury taxes and worked to get his payroll under the cap by $ 11 M last year and he’s currently about $ 20 M under the cap right now.

    The idea he would come to NYC and become a spendaholic is contrary to the evidence of his recent actions. More likely he would make it clear $ 189 M was an absolute ceiling.

  86. ron July 16th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Everybody was scared when someone mentioned trading arod when he was hitting 40 hr a year,or better,or a cano,swisher,etc.,but we are going to be in much worse shape by not doing so,and how much is arod,granderson,etc. playing now,or helping now anyways.
    A player has maybe 8-10 good years,then they are done,and simply not worth what they get paid.
    This is why cano should of been traded for 2 very top prospects,minimum,this past offseason.Can you imagine how great of a position we would be in,if we got lucky,and traded cano for a good 3b,p prospect,and we hit the jackpot.

  87. blake July 16th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “To me a team with a legit shot at the post-season is a title contender. This team certainly qualifies despite having spent more of the year with $ 100 M in payroll on the shelf.”

    really?

  88. Wave Your Hat July 16th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Without the hitting, the Yanks need excellent defense. Can Jeter give that to them at SS anymore? Big question. With the lack of scoring, the Yanks can’t afford any opposition outs turning into singles.

  89. blake July 16th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Yankees Daily ?@YankeesDaily 8m
    A-Rod will be banned by major league baseball.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....tkIwOj4gqO

  90. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Blake —

    What does your response mean?

    You don’t think a team three games out of the Wild Card at the All-Star break is a post-season contender?

    Multiple Wild Card qualifiers have won the World Series so any team that can make the post-season has a chance.

  91. Wave Your Hat July 16th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Baseball Prospectus gives the Yanks a 22% chance at making the postseason and a 13% chance of getting to the Division Series.

  92. blake July 16th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    “You don’t think a team three games out of the Wild Card at the All-Star break is a post-season contender?”

    I think they have a shot to make the playoffs if a ton of things go right……does that mean they are a legit title contender…..IMO no…..I don’t think this team as currently is is anywhere close to good enough to win a world series barring some once in a blue moon type luck.

  93. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    “A-Rod will be banned”.

    I don’t see that as news. I expected it.

    Question is when and for how long ?

    Also if he will appeal it ?

  94. Wave Your Hat July 16th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Yanks have a third order winning percentage of .467.

  95. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    IMO if the Yankees tweak the Team in the ways I suggested above they will have a serious shot at a playoff spot.

    Once you make the playoffs anything can happen.

  96. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Baseball Prospectus gives the Yanks a 22% chance at making the postseason and a 13% chance of getting to the Division Series.

    ***********************************************************************

    As meaningful as as most predictions…. zip.

    Blake — the Yanks ARE post-season contenders right now. I agree that if they don’t make a couple of significant acquisitions they won’t make it, but that doesn’t refute the premise.

  97. blake July 16th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    I think the Yanks should take a good long hard look in the mirror at themselves over the next 2 weeks and ask themselves what their chances of winning a WS are this year……if they are below 5%….which at this moment I’d say they are then they should act appropriately.

  98. Wave Your Hat July 16th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “As meaningful as as most predictions…. zip. ”

    Only to the ignorant.

  99. blake July 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    “Blake — the Yanks ARE post-season contenders right now. I agree that if they don’t make a couple of significant acquisitions they won’t make it, but that doesn’t refute the premise.”

    maybe snagging a Wild Card if the stars align isn’t very exciting…..and it doesn’t mean they’d have a good chance to advance beyond there either. I realize that anybody that gets into the postseason has a punchers chance…..my point is that they shouldn’t make decisions based on the miracle chance they have.

  100. Wave Your Hat July 16th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    blake,

    After the Yanks have played 12 straight (10 on the road) vs. Boston, Texas, Tampa and the Dodgers, I suspect they will be taking that hard look you mention.

    Or the press will.

  101. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Any projections about how a team will finish are based on the roster remaining as is.

    If they don’t make two significant offensive additions I would put their post-season chances at about 20 % at best. If they start selling off impending FA the % would go way down.

  102. blake July 16th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    “After the Yanks have played 12 straight (10 on the road) vs. Boston, Texas, Tampa and the Dodgers, I suspect they will be taking that hard look you mention.”

    might be too late by then…..

  103. pkyankfan69 July 16th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    By the way, Mark Cuban got sick of paying NBA luxury taxes and worked to get his payroll under the cap by $ 11 M last year and he’s currently about $ 20 M under the cap right now.
    ———————————————————
    This is BS… The Mavs are rebuilding…. When a well run NBA teams rebuilds, they clear cap space in order to have room in the salary cap to sign all star – max contract type players.

  104. comnsnse July 16th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    86, you are of course correct with the Cuban info, but I believe Blake’s points on playoff opportunity should be viewed in the context of reality of the season to date and the overall inconsistency easily anticipated for the balance of the season.

    E.G.’s, will Arod come back and do anything.

    Will Jeter do likewise, is CC’s season to date an aberration, what will Granderson contribute and will the pitching which in general has been the over achieving aspect of the season to date continue.

    In that context I believe his points are well taken.

    As opposed to his “let’s break the bank” with the other guy’s money” because we are spoiled and btw, you can afford it”! ;)

  105. blake July 16th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    The Giants had -2 run differential on this day a year ago…..so anything is possible…..but they actually went and added a bat at the deadline and play in a much weaker division and had a more dominating type pitching staff. Anything is possible…..I just don’t think they should make long term decisions based on the fact that miracles do happen.

  106. MTU July 16th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    86-

    I think you and I are on the same wavelength w. respected to the yankees current nd future chances, and needs in order to compete.

    Pity for you. You are now officially crazy.

    :)

  107. GregD July 16th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Cespedes is hitting .225…..is this who he is? A power hitter who drives in runs and doesn’t hit for average………we have a few of those……

  108. Shame Spencer July 16th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    The problem with the new budget is they’re trying to sell it as if it’s only a product of the prior expensive and erosive contracts and leave out that THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SIGNED THOSE DEALS.

    They keep ignoring that last part. The whole culpability thing.

    They didn’t inherit these deals. They signed them and now they’re crying about having them.

    That’s just nonsense. Teams and leagues cry poverty all the time over player contracts that they draw up and agree to.

  109. blake July 16th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    They are going to suspend Arod probably for 100 games…..he’s going to appeal and that process will take months most likely…..so there is chance he will at least play some for the Yankees this year unless he gets hurt again or unless they find a way to trade him between now and the end of the month

  110. Shame Spencer July 16th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “Blake — the Yanks ARE post-season contenders right now. I agree that if they don’t make a couple of significant acquisitions they won’t make it, but that doesn’t refute the premise.”

    ————

    If you agree without any acquisitions they won’t make it then I’m confused as to how you can call this team, as it stands, a contender.

    They’re a fringe team right now, and I think that’s being generous. Like blake said, it depends on where you put the odds that they make the playoffs. I won’t say it’s at 5%, but I’d say they’ve got an under 50% shot with this current team – and those aren’t odds I like.

  111. Wave Your Hat July 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    I don’t see how any suspensions go into effect this year. They will be appealed and arbitrated. The arbitration process is quicker than a court fight but not that quick, I think.

  112. DONNYBROOK July 16th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Ya boned it Blake. Ya cut-and-run. Yer scared to the bone. Pity. ANY team making the playoffs has a legitimate shot at a Championship. The current Yankee team is Only 5 games back in the Loss column to the R\Sox. I’m just hoping that Hal has more grit than you do. To throw in the towel at this point, with top-line players returning immediately, is the stuff of cowards.

  113. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    MTU —

    LOL… I needed that.

    Wave — Hope you saw my post @ 11:10… my point is anyone’s projections are essentially meaningless because they are based on the current roster and the odds are the Yanks and other teams will make changes.

    In two weeks if Jeter, A-rod and Granderson are playing well and/or Rios or Konerko found himself in pinstrips. I suspect the projections will be a lot more positive.

  114. Wave Your Hat July 16th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    This current team is lucky to have won as many games as they have.

    To continue to contend, they need help at so many positions, they need Andy and CC to pitch better, and they need Hughes, Nova and Phelps to maintain their current levels. They need Jeter to be able to play an adequate SS defensively, and they need ARod to at least be a shadow of his former self. They need Granderson to get back before mid-August.

    That’s a lot of needs. They say anything can happen, but that’s a lot of anythings.

  115. 86w183 July 16th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Wave —-

    I agree on the suspensions. Since 20 or more players may be involved the appeals will almost certainly be heard in the off-season.

    All of those players should curb their spending immediately and bank as much as they can the rest of this season. I suspect MLB will come down as hard as possible. It’s gonna be ugly.

    that’s it for me for now…. have a day all…

  116. comnsnse July 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    pkyankfan 69, so you too advocate spending over a set cost of doing business which will adversely affect your bottom line?

    What you are missing is in the NBA is exceeding the cap by resigning your own players does not or is not reflected in that team’s cap number. Great job by their union!

    The reality of every pro sport today is to sign a core group of stars and build the rest of the team around them as cheaply as possible. The Heat are a good example, the other thing owners are inclined to do is exceed the cap in a given time frame to win at all costs as is the case with the Nets ownership to establish credibility and then ride on it for awhile while pacifying the fan base.

    But in the end no business will succeed annually by spending more than the business earns.

    No matter how creative the book keeping is…..well maybe the movie industry is an exception! ;)

  117. Wave Your Hat July 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    “Wave — Hope you saw my post @ 11:10… my point is anyone’s projections are essentially meaningless because they are based on the current roster and the odds are the Yanks and other teams will make changes. ”

    Actually, I think the playoff odds report from BP takes into account expected returnees from the disabled list. They wouldn’t include trades between now and the deadline, but in the past few years the Yanks haven’t made a lot of those.

    So I think the BP playoff odds are fairly good statement of where things stand now.

  118. blake July 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    HardballTalk ?@HardballTalk 5m
    Cuban pitcher Dalier Hinojosa cleared for free agency http://dlvr.it/3g5dcp #mlb #hbt

  119. blake July 16th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    he can be signed without penalty because he’s 23 and has played more than 3 years in Cuba.

  120. Wave Your Hat July 16th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    cmnsnse,

    I didn’t realize the Yanks shared their books with you.

  121. Mike in Harrisburg July 16th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Let’s be generous and say any team within 10 games of their division leader at this point is still in it. That gives us the Rangers, the A’s, the Indians, the Tigers, the Royals, the Yankees, the Orioles, the Rays and the Red Sox all competing for 5 playoff spots. I suspect the Blue Jays and the Angels have a shot of roaring into contention as well.

    I don’t think it’s cowardly to assess the situation dispassionately and recognize the math alone does not look good, even without factoring the strengths and weaknesses of the team compared to competitors.

  122. G. Love July 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    What I don’t understand about the guys in this forum, who I respect a lot, who are advocating blow up the team while they are 7 games over .500 is this; You didn’t trust the team and the people running it and know they caused this current roster mess, so what makes you think them becoming “sellers” is going to help anything when the same inept talent evaluators will be making these deals?

    You seriously think Cashman acting as a GM of a club that is a seller will rebuild this roster? Really? Why?

    With the current front office group the only thing they know how to do is overpay to get what we need. They’ve just stopped doing that when it comes to players who want more than 1 year.

    And I’m sorry, but advocating a team that 7 games over .500 to become sellers is just sad to see as a fan. If you’re that down on the Yankees chances, you might want to take a break for awhile.

    We’re a couple bats short of scoring more runs and winning more games with pitching that gets the job done better than most.

    I despise Cashman and what Hal appear to be doing. Why in God’s name would you want to them to be behind the dissembling of this team is beyond me.

  123. Shame Spencer July 16th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    I’m just trying to picture how well Stewie and Wells might perform in the second half… I’m worried for Stewie especially.

  124. pkyankfan69 July 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    pkyankfan 69, so you too advocate spending over a set cost of doing business which will adversely affect your bottom line?
    —————————————————-
    And you know how much the Yankees make a year how?… I could care less how many fancy car and yachts Hal is able to buy with the extra money he makes by shedding salary.

    What you are missing is in the NBA is exceeding the cap by resigning your own players does not or is not reflected in that team’s cap number. Great job by their union!
    ———————————-
    This has nothing at all to do with my point that the Mavs are shedding Salary to sign star players… The only way NBA teams get star players is by being AWFUL and picking high in the lottery or in FA… The NBA is much less about player development than MLB (unless you consider player development while playing on the NBA level) and much more about FA… A star or 2 in the NBA can make a team, not the case in MLB.

    Cuban has evolved as an owner… He’s not kicking and screaming on the bench anymore, he’s a good owner now who CARES about the team and is willing to spend big bucks when the time is right. He would be a great owner, not that MLB would ever let that happen.

  125. JimK July 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Ron, my mistake the News Corporation did purchase a 49% stake in the Yes network for a reported 1.5 billion dollars with an option to purchase a total of 80% of the YES regional sports networks, as part of the deal the Yankees will receive increased rights revenue from the regional network. Beginning this year the Yankees will 85 million dollars from News Corp, which will increase to 350 million in the year 2042. Since the original article I read stated that News Corp had an option to purchase up to 80% of the YES network I am not exactly sure if the annual right’s payments are tied to the News Corporation’s increased ownership, but I would think it would.
    It was reported that the Yankees sold their stake in Yes because they believed it had reached its peak value.
    They also purchased a minority stake in the Manchester soccer club, because they believe that soccer has the potential for growth here in the US. As part of Manchester deal the Yankees are to establish an American soccer team based in NY starting in 2015. The team will play its first season in YS, but supposedly the Yankees are required to build a new stadium for the NY soccer team.
    Moreover, the most recent information I can find, states that Steinbrenner owned 70% of the Yankees, and I would guess that this remains unchanged.
    Reading what I have about current Yankee operations appears to cast some doubt on my contention that the team is up for sale, but selling their ownership stake in Yes, although it sounds like a great deal for the Yankees, still has me thinking that News Corp is interested in purchasing the team, especially given the fact that when the Padres were sold for 800 million 25% of that price was for the purchase of the Padres regional sports network. Also, the venture into soccer sounds more like something that News Corp would pursue.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mi.....-billion/#

  126. JimK July 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Ron, my mistake the News Corporation did purchase a 49% stake in the Yes network for a reported 1.5 billion dollars with an option to purchase a total of 80% of the YES regional sports networks, as part of the deal the Yankees will receive increased rights revenue from the regional network. Beginning this year the Yankees will 85 million dollars from News Corp, which will increase to 350 million in the year 2042. Since the original article I read stated that News Corp had an option to purchase up to 80% of the YES network I am not exactly sure if the annual right’s payments are tied to the News Corporation’s increased ownership, but I would think it would.
    It was reported that the Yankees sold their stake in Yes because they believed it had reached its peak value.
    They also purchased a minority stake in the Manchester soccer club, because they believe that soccer has the potential for growth here in the US. As part of Manchester deal the Yankees are to establish an American soccer team based in NY starting in 2015. The team will play its first season in YS, but supposedly the Yankees are required to build a new stadium for the NY soccer team.
    Moreover, the most recent information I can find, states that Steinbrenner owned 70% of the Yankees, and I would guess that this remains unchanged.
    Reading what I have about current Yankee operations appears to cast some doubt on my contention that the team is up for sale, but selling their ownership stake in Yes, although it sounds like a great deal for the Yankees, still has me thinking that News Corp is interested in purchasing the team, especially given the fact that when the Padres were sold for 800 million 25% of that price was for the purchase of the Padres regional sports network. Also, the venture into soccer sounds more like something that News Corp would pursue.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mi.....-billion/#

  127. austinmac July 16th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    86w183,

    I don’t recall anyone saying the Yankees should have signed all the international players, and neither do you since it has never been said that I recall. What we have said is they should have been active and signed someone of the group. Or do you believe it is the A’s great financial wealth that enables them to sign Cespedes?

    For the past two years the team has crawled into a financial shell refusing to take on any multi year contracts(except of course if they are over 37). We are seeing the result of that clear cut decision.

  128. austinmac July 16th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Hooray, another Cuban we can ignore unless, of course, he is cheap and not capable of playing in the majors.

    Did someone just question Hal wanting to save money? Have you been on another planet? He intends to reduce the payroll by over $50M next year, and to get the full benefit of being under the cap, in 2015 as well. I know this because I read.

  129. Tackelberry July 16th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    austinmac July 16th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    Hooray, another Cuban we can ignore unless, of course, he is cheap and not capable of playing in the majors.

    Did someone just question Hal wanting to save money? Have you been on another planet? He intends to reduce the payroll by over $50M next year, and to get the full benefit of being under the cap, in 2015 as well. I know this because I read.

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    Are you also naive enough to beleve everything you read?


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