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Mid-day notes and links

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 18, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few notes in the middle of this final off day before the second half begins…

Alex Rodriguez• MLBPA director Michael Weiner told the Daily News that the union might encourage certain players in the Biogenesis scandal to reach a plea deal with the league. “If we have a case where there really is overwhelming evidence that a player committed a violation of the program, our fight is going to be that they make a deal,” Weiner said. For the Yankees, that’s particularly interesting given recent reports about the evidence facing Alex Rodriguez.

Of course, in a CNN interview, Rodriguez said once again that he has not pursued a plea deal with the league. “I hate all the noise but, you know, hopefully that goes away soon and we can get back to playing baseball,” Rodriguez said.

• Speaking of third base, Stephen Drew says the Yankees approached him this offseason about taking essential the Kevin Youkilis contract to play a sort of regular utility role, filling in for the two injured players on the left side of the infield. “The Yankees wanted me to switch around,” Drew told the Boston Herald. “They wanted me to play short when Jeter got hurt and third with A-Rod out.” Drew said he took less money to stay at shortstop with the Red Sox.

• Kind of a random story from The Associated Press today: Apparently Mariano Rivera, Dave Robertson and Joe Girardi — along with a handful of Mets players — will be a part of a new I Love NY campaign airing on YES and SNY. According to the AP: “The ads seek to entice New Yorkers and out-of-state tourist to plan summer vacations that include Mets and Yankees games and the National Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. But the spots also promote New York attractions from Niagara Falls and the Adirondack and Catskills mountains to the beaches of Long Island.” So, you know, look for the game’s best closer to start convincing you to see some waterfalls in the near future.

• Short-term Yankees first baseman Travis Ishikawa has signed a minor league deal with the White Sox. He was designated for assignment and chose free agency rather than accept an outright Triple-A assignment from the Yankees.

• Speaking of short-term Yankees: Derek Lowe has officially retired. Lowe actually pitched pretty well in a limited role with the Yankees last season. He got into nine games with the Rangers earlier this year.

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69 Responses to “Mid-day notes and links”

  1. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    “I think Hughes wants to test FA and see if he can land on the west coast”

    Can’t say Id blame him

  2. MTU July 18th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Blake-

    What if we offer him to Halos, for example.

    Isn’t that where he’d would love to be ?

    All they’d have to do is make him a fair offer. It doesn’t have to be the highest possible offer.

    That way he’s all set and doesn’t even have to worry about what FA may or may not bring him, or where he winds up.

    Bird in the hand kind of thing.

    ;)

  3. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    @MadDogUnleashed: He might be in the line-up Monday & for a few weeks, but I would be stunned if ARod doesn’t get a lifetime suspension, at least VERY lengthy

    Lol

  4. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    MTU,
    Sure but if you’re the Angels is it really gonna affect what you’ll offer that much? When you could just sign him in the winter anyway?

  5. john smith July 18th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    How could MLB suspend A-rod for more than 50 games? He’s a first offender ..

  6. Shame Spencer July 18th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    If I’m Hughes there’s no way I sign a deal without hitting the market unless I’m traded to exactly the team I want to be on. He’s got the leverage here.

  7. MTU July 18th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Blake-

    There will be other competitors in the Winter.

    They don’t know they can prevail. Why should they risk it ?

    Same thing for them. Lock him up while you know you can for sure.

    Eliminate the competition.

  8. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    john smith says:
    July 18, 2013 at 2:27 pm
    How could MLB suspend A-rod for more than 50 games? He’s a first offender ..

    They cant

  9. Wave Your Hat July 18th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    No team is going to trade for Hughes simply to have an opportunity to negotiate with him. It’s laughable.

  10. MTU July 18th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Shame-

    Maybe the Halos are that team ?

    Or maybe they ask Hughes where he would like to go and see if a match is possible ?

  11. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    MTU,
    I think an extension window woukd be nice for them and it might affect what they’d give a little…..I just don’t think it woukd significantly

  12. MTU July 18th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    WYH-

    I disagree.

    It eliminates potential competitors and gives them 1st crack.

    In FA they don’t get that. They are one of many.

  13. chicken little July 18th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Yes they can. As Michael Weiner explained, because the suspension does not relate to a positive drug test, the commissioner’s office has discretion to chose whatever number of games it wants re a suspension. the example Weiner gave is it could be 5 games, it could be 500 games. that is why he wants to negotiate (i.e., don’t fight, but agree to a suspension for less than commissioner wants).

    _____________________________________________________

    blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    john smith says:
    July 18, 2013 at 2:27 pm
    How could MLB suspend A-rod for more than 50 games? He’s a first offender ..

    They cant

  14. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Hughes for Olt makes a lot of sense…..Olt is having a down year and is blocked in Texas….Hughes carries risk and is a FA to be also…..

  15. Wave Your Hat July 18th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    “It eliminates potential competitors and gives them 1st crack.”

    MTU, you know I love you, but you’re nuts. No one is knocking down the doors for first crack at Phil Hughes.

  16. Howler July 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    btw…what’s the deal with these western Yankee fans…bunch of know it alls ;) Nice photos MTU

  17. john smith July 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    blake,

    Olt is a buy low candidate right now but Hughes for Olt is REALLY low

  18. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    “Yes they can. As Michael Weiner explained, because the suspension does not relate to a positive drug test, the commissioner’s office has discretion to chose whatever number of games it wants re a suspension.”

    This has to be spelled out in the CBA somewhere ….MLB can’t just make up rules as it goes. Technically this is Alex’s first offense if its true because the positive test from 2003 was supposed to be confidential……if they tried to ban him for life you can bet Alex will and should sue MLB and he’d have a good case too

  19. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    “blake,

    Olt is a buy low candidate right now but Hughes for Olt is REALLY low”

    I think it depends on how they view Hughes really…..they are a title contender

  20. MTU July 18th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    WYH-

    You know I love you too but I disagree.

    So let’s just leave it there, Ok ?

    We obviously have very different opinions of Hughes worth to other Teams.

    That’s fine w me. We’ll see what happens.

    :)

  21. Shame Spencer July 18th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    MTU – I’d like to think that’s possible but, again, then you find yourself making the deal the player wants moreso than the org. And that’s fine if you can get back what you need… but that’s a big if, IMO.

    blake – The trade almost makes too much sense. Even if they had to include another piece, it shouldn’t be a major one for Olt. It might just be that the Rangers and Yanks don’t like being trade partners.

  22. Wave Your Hat July 18th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    OK, MTU, pax.

  23. MTU July 18th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Shame-

    Not necessarily but as w WYH I’ll be glad to let reality tell us what the answer is.

    One thing is for sure in my mind. Hughes has way less value as a rental than if he would be willing to sign an extension.

  24. Wave Your Hat July 18th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    “Olt is a buy low candidate right now but Hughes for Olt is REALLY low”

    First I’d want to know how real Olt’s Texas League numbers were.

  25. MTU July 18th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    And by the way Wave.

    As far as the “nuts” part goes how is that a revelation.

    I readily admit that.

    I might even be proud of it.

    ;)

  26. Warning Track Power July 18th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    FYI:
    ESPN will be televising the Monday game, Yanees at Rangers
    SHOCKER!
    I wonder what will be discussed over and over again for 9 innings??

  27. chicken little July 18th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Blake:

    here is the link to the article with quotes from Michael Weiner. The suspension scale in the CBA relates to positive tests. under the CBA, the commissioner has broad powers for other types of suspensions, but any suspension can be challenged by the player. Weiner’s point seems to be: if there is significant evidence a player cheated, the MLBPA doesn’t want to be in a position where its forced to challenge the validity of suspending him. Instead, it would rather cut a deal (e.g., sort of like what A-Rod denies is going on with him — instead of suspending him for life, suspend him for 150 games — or basically, all of 2014).

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....-ped-users

  28. RayVT July 18th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Warning Track Power July 18th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    LOL! Two things!
    1.) ARod & PEDs.
    2.) How great Ortiz is. Best DH ever!

  29. MTU July 18th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Howler-

    thank you. Glad you enjoyed them.

  30. Wave Your Hat July 18th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    MTU-

    I was listening to ESPN radio last night and some reporter said that other teams aren’t that hot on Hughes, for whatever reason. FWIW, probably not much.

  31. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    There is also speculation that MLB leaked Arod rest in 2009…..if so then Alex could sue their pants off. I his don’t see any way milb could make a lifetime BA hold up based on Tony Boeschs testimony…..unless there is a lot more to the the story than we know I see know way Gets a lifetime ban

  32. austinmac July 18th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    From what I have been reading, it seems it is first time failure of a drug test that gets 50 games rather than a first time offender. If correct, punishment may revert to the best interests of baseball clause. That is my only theory. I can’t imagine the union head folding otherwise.

  33. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Also….the players union may not want to get in the way of a suspension for a guilty player….but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t contest an unfair sentence

  34. Jesus Bustero July 18th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Hughes is not a difference maker. He’s a stretch to even get a playoff start on teams in contention. He’s a back rotation guy and he’s a rental.

    He is worth less than Nolasco.

  35. Howler July 18th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    thank you. Glad you enjoyed them.

    I’m going to Alberta in Sept. for 3 weeks to take pictures of wildlife, hopefully some wolves and grizzlies…it’s not too far of a drive for me.

  36. Niblick July 18th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Blake, just a guess here, but I think Michael Weiner, executive director of the MLBPA, knows just a bit more about the CBA and the penalties that can be imposed than you do. He clearly said that since these suspensions would not be based on failed drug tests, the 50-100-lifetime rules don’t apply.

  37. Warning Track Power July 18th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    RayVT July 18th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
    Warning Track Power July 18th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    LOL! Two things!
    1.) ARod & PEDs.
    2.) How great Ortiz is. Best DH ever!
    ————————————————————————-

    WTH??

  38. Jesus Bustero July 18th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    And that is why the Yankees are dangling JR Murphy.

    Hughes won’t bring back a decent bat but maybe he will if Murphy is included.

    If the Yankees can get a decent bat with Hughes + Murphy + Betances then they have to do it. They should be able to add a second bat if they can pull that off. They should be able to land Michael Young for someone like Adam Warren + Montgomery.

  39. champ809 July 18th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    ManningRules July 18th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    Not only is Sanchez not what the Braves do not want (they have a stable of great young arms in their system) – they need a catcher. Not another mediocre catcher with a better bat.

    Betances isn’t as good as their top four prospects is what I meant, but regardless, they’re going to go with Bethancourt, who isn’t that far behind Sanchez with a bat, and is miles better defensively.

    —————————————————————————————————

    Betancourt projects to be an all glove light hitting catcher whereas Sanchez projects as a middle of the order bat in the 30 HR 100 rbi mold….he’s on a different planet as an offensive player.

    And as far as the pitchers Bettances pure stuff is better than any of their top 5 pitching prospects. No bias

  40. Jesus Bustero July 18th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Or Dioner Navarro for Adam Warren + Montgomery.

  41. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    “Blake, just a guess here, but I think Michael Weiner, executive director of the MLBPA, knows just a bit more about the CBA and the penalties that can be imposed than you do. He clearly said that since these suspensions would not be based on failed drug tests, the 50-100-lifetime rules don’t apply.”

    Did he say that for a first time offense that a lifetime suspension seemed appropriate? I’m not disputing what Weiner said…..I just think what he said is being misinterpreted by some to mean that if Bud comes out tomorrow and says ok guys Alex is gone forever…..that the union will be ok with that ….because I don’t think that’s the case.

  42. Jesus Bustero July 18th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    I suspect Arod is going to lose at least 25 million not including lawyer fees.

  43. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    “Betancourt projects to be an all glove light hitting catcher whereas Sanchez projects as a middle of the order bat in the 30 HR 100 rbi mold….he’s on a different planet as an offensive player.”

    “Projects” being the operative word….he’s in A ball still and is OPsing under .800 there is a repeat season……great prospect….,got a long ways to go

  44. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    I know everyone wants MLB to be able to suspend Alex for life…..that helps the Yankees…..I just don’t see it happening. I think he will get 100 games at most

  45. champ809 July 18th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Hughes is a better pitcher than Nolasco and would put up better #’s than him if he moved to the NL.

    For that reason if I were Cash I’d focus on Joc Pederson

  46. Wave Your Hat July 18th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    I would prefer it if instead of getting suspended ARod comes back playing 3B full time with an OPS around .800. Call me a moral cretin.

  47. blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    @BiIIMurray: I wish that instead of 140 characters, tweets would be limited to the persons IQ.

  48. Howler July 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    I think he probably deserves a 50 game suspension, but let him serve it next year. I am curious to see what level he can come back at. There have been too many players given so many chances that I don’t see why he’s being targeted as a special case.

  49. Shame Spencer July 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    blake July 18th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    “Blake, just a guess here, but I think Michael Weiner, executive director of the MLBPA, knows just a bit more about the CBA and the penalties that can be imposed than you do. He clearly said that since these suspensions would not be based on failed drug tests, the 50-100-lifetime rules don’t apply.”

    Did he say that for a first time offense that a lifetime suspension seemed appropriate? I’m not disputing what Weiner said…..I just think what he said is being misinterpreted by some to mean that if Bud comes out tomorrow and says ok guys Alex is gone forever…..that the union will be ok with that ….because I don’t think that’s the case.

    ———————-

    Yeah, exactly blake. What I got from this is that if the Union finds indisputable evidence that these guys used, they’ll lean on them to take a plea deal. If not, all he’s really saying is that the suspensions shouldn’t necessarily be discussed in relation to those listed in the CBA.

  50. MTU July 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Wave-

    thanks for that tidbit.

    I have to head out.

    I don’t see Hughes w. much value as a rental either.

    Realistically, all that they need beat is the value of a supplemental pick.

    That shouldn’t be too hard.

    Later.

  51. Shame Spencer July 18th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    A 50 game suspension next year might keep Alex fresh!! :twisted:

  52. Shame Spencer July 18th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Hughes value is probably directly related to the production of X’s teams #3-5 starters.

  53. champ809 July 18th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Blake

    Sanchise isn’t “repeating” high A…he only had 170 at bats in Tampa last season he’s finishing off his development at that level.

    He has 20 doubles, 13 homers and 60 rbis in 300 at bats which projects to 40 doubles and 25 or so homers with 100= rbis over a full season.

    He’s 2 years away tops and most likely sees time at AA Trenton within the next month.

  54. Niblick July 18th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Weiner also said that he will encourage those who are clearly guilty to make deals regarding their suspension. That indicates to me that those folks could be facing significant suspensions. As to Arod, he’s already admitted that he used PEDs from 2001-2003, has undoubtedly lied about his use after that time (and perhaps before), very likely got banned drugs from this yahoo in Florida, and may very well have obstructed the investigation by trying to purchase the records that they had. All of that adds up to more than a simple “first offense”. As to what punishment he will receive, let’s wait until we hear what it is.

  55. 86w183 July 18th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Weiner is absolutely correct

    If the Commissioner chooses to suspend playesr for the Bio-Genesis scandal it would NOT be under the terms of the drug testing program because they would not have tested positively. Therefore it is a Commissioner’s discretion action under the “best interests of baseball” clause.

    Interestingly he could have tried to suspend Braun after the arbitrator ruled in Braun’s favor but probably didn’t want to test the validity of a suspension the followed the adjudication of a positive test case.

    That’s probably where the 150-game talk came from last week. Any suspension would be subject to appeal and, if long enough and costly enough possible legal action.

  56. blake July 18th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Champ,
    He’s not performing as well as Montero did offensively an look what he’s going now…..point is that you can’t just say a prospect is a 30/100 guy….. They aren’t that in the big leagues until they are that in the big leagues

  57. 86w183 July 18th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    On Gary Sanchez —

    We need to keep in mind that the FSL is a pitcher’s league with big ballparks. Offensive stats are not often impressive in that league.

    I’d like to see Sanchez in Trenton the rest of the year.

  58. blake July 18th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “As to Arod, he’s already admitted that he used PEDs from 2001-2003″

    Yea and that test was supposed to be confidential and MLB allowed that confidentiality to be broken…

    Alex could form a pretty good case against MLB if he wanted to sue them…..he could claim mental trauma….etc….his image has been destroyed because MLB couldn’t close leaks……bunch of guys tested positive then too and nobody knows about it

  59. LGY July 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Can anyone cite an example of a team trading for a non-premium free agent to be at the deadline and working out an extension?

  60. blake July 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Weiner is correct that because a test wasn’t failed it doesn’t fall under the collectively bargained penalties…..I think the problem is that a lot of folks are jumping to the conclusion that that means Bud can ban Alex for life…..I don’t think he could get away with that

  61. blake July 18th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    LGY says:
    July 18, 2013 at 3:12 pm
    Can anyone cite an example of a team trading for a non-premium free agent to be at the deadline and working out an extension?

    The most recent example I can think of of something similar was the Upton trade where the Dbacks traded for Prado assuming they could extend him…..it wasn’t at the deadline but clearly they placed more value on him because they thought they could lock him up…..I thought that was dumb and they were criticized for it too.

  62. Shame Spencer July 18th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal Sources: #Orioles promoting Urrutia.

  63. Shame Spencer July 18th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    I think the problem is that a lot of folks are jumping to the conclusion that that means Bud can ban Alex for life…..I don’t think he could get away with that

    ——————–

    I can’t see how he’d get a lifetime ban based on the evidence we’ve heard about. MLB would really need to have an ace in the hole to pull off a lifetime ban.

  64. champ809 July 18th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Blake

    the whole business of baseball scouting is projection…projecting kids out to their potential. Montero and Sanchez are obviously different players.

    The real point is that Christain Betancourt is not in Sanchez’s class as a hitter

  65. Prete Funk Era July 18th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    How about Hughes for Montero? Think Seattle still wants him?

  66. 86w183 July 18th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Blake —

    I think “life” is unlikely, but I would not be stunned if Selig decreed that Alex and Braun would miss the entire 2014 season… appeal would follow for sure and possibly legal action.

    I think it’s obvious from Weiner’s comments the majority of players want the Union to make sure violators are punished

  67. pkyankfan69 July 18th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Why would Seattle want Hughes for the second half of this year?

  68. blake July 18th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    “The real point is that Christain Betancourt is not in Sanchez’s class as a hitter”

    Evan Gattis might be….the point is that we don’t know what Sanchez is yet

  69. pkyankfan69 July 18th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Easiest, no brainer move the Yanks should do immediately is trade Joba for a crusty old ham sandwich and promote Dellin in his place.

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